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  • So if a god is required to obtain any kind of morality, how do people who have never heard of a god and who's culture does not include a god, live together and with their neighbours in a highly moral way, according to our standards today?

    They don't keep slaves, know the difference between right and wrong and don't steal or lie. Where do they get this from and why don't they see a need for a god?

  • @StopSpamming1

    Please watch the video.

    It says that humans have ingrained moral instinct from God but they need to nourish it and develop it .

    Otherwise when adverse circumstance comes they fail.

    There are incidence when apparently moral societies became immoral because its members did not care for the hereafter and so changed their moral.

    The Jews were killed by consensus in Germany because they changed their moral for the time being and justified their killing while God prohibits such killing

  • @farzanatasneem

    To tell me to watch the video after I have commented on that video is a bit odd.

    You then tell me that humans have changed their morality based on circumstances, not god.

    You assert that humans derive their basic moral foundation from god. Without any examples or proof and also without specifying from which god.

    America is the most religious country in the Western world. What does that tell you?

    It's not religion but culture. Which is why you have crimes in Islamic countries.

  • @StopSpamming1

    When God is mentioned it is the Creator of human beings being mentioned.He has many names in different language and culture and even in same language but by concept they are not different Gods.

    When a polytheist mentions the word God he too is mentioning about the Creator and nourisher of this universe.

    When SMALLER gods are mentioned, they are mentioned with names with a god attached such as god Rama god Krishna and god Shiva etc

  • @StopSpamming1

    h t t p : / / w w w .sciencedaily . com/releases/2011/07/110714103­­­828 . htm

    Remove spaces to visit the website

    Humans 'Predisposed' to Believe in Gods and the Afterlife

    ScienceDaily (July 14, 2011) — A three-year international research project, directed by two academics at the University of Oxford, finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife.

    Because God wired them to be so.

    So faith in God has scientific basis !

  • @StopSpamming1 When Atheism is to be boasted then you show all advanced nations to be Atheistic and now you call America as religious?

    Till date Atheism was not the choice among faiths so all Atheists were to be born among religious people

    Islamic countries have the least crime rates.Come to Gulf countries you will understand the definition of peace

  • @farzanatasneem

    Is the god Muslims believe in a single parent? No, it's a different concept. The same for Jesus, Manitou or Shiva. All gods are different.

    Oh dear, no. Science confirms that some humans like the hormones. Just like some humans like being drunk.

    } "Come to Gulf countries"

    What? Have you not heard the Muezzin in the background of my videos? Where do you think I live?

    No, not all advanced nations are atheistic. They are moving there, slowly. As is everywhere.

  • @StopSpamming1

    Time for Atheism to stay dominant is up now as more and more people will learn that Atheism is based on pseudoscience and deception while science has proven that living things cannot originate without God the creator.

    Time for disbelief and belief of any nation keeps coming and going

    Todays faithful may be disbeliever tomorrow and vice versa

  • @farzanatasneem

    What? Where do you get this information?

    What does atheism have to do with science. One is based on facts, measurements, experiments, data, reproducible results, predictions and tests. The other is belief.

    Science has proven WHAT? Where? When? How?

    Are you making things up as you go along?

  • @StopSpamming1

    I am not making things up, things are being made up to prove that Atheism is based upon science while religion is just faith while faith is involved in both the cases that's why false evidences were brought forward to prove that Evolution is truth:

    /watch?v=CLdSssQCe4c

    /watch?v=301iVTfSYJo

  • @farzanatasneem

    What? Where do you get this information? Will you ever answer a question?

    How do the videos you mention have anything to do with evolution? What does any of this have to do with morality?

    Why am I an outspoken atheist - and have nothing to do with science or scientists?

  • @StopSpamming1

    You are an outspoken Atheist and have nothing to do with science and scientists because you did not try to know that when it is related to faith, science can twist itself and a scientist can be motivated to create false evidence.

    So Piltdown man was created and Ernst Haeckl faked the drawing to prove Evolution happened , while it did not happen !

  • @farzanatasneem

    Oh dear. Science has nothing to do with faith. Or religion. Or gods.

    Yes, absolutely; scientists are humans and can fail. But just as Piltdown was caught, science has safety nets. But it is not perfect, I agree.

    Haeckl is something you want to check again. While he took some liberties with the drawings, the end result is not affected.

  • @StopSpamming1

    What do you mean by "The end result is not affected"

    Human embryo never gets gills to respirate with.

    Those which look like gills are pharyngeal arches .

    So the end result was wrong and remains wrong and it was a deliberate attempt to twist embryology to prove evolution scientifically.

  • @farzanatasneem

    Erm, no, not quite.

    The arches are real. Because we originated in water, we still have the residual equipment.

  • @StopSpamming1

    This is what is called :Brainwashing

    Just read about pharyngeal arches from any embryology book !

    These arches are NOT residual equipment .

    They are the origin of many structures in face and neck , but not lungs !

  • @farzanatasneem

    May I ask where you get this from?

  • @StopSpamming1

    From Embryology books

  • @farzanatasneem

    Oh. well, I had expected something more substantial. And I never claimed they were the basis for lungs, you brought them up. Ok, do you agree that each arch contains a cartilaginous core and has a cranial nerve?

    Do you also agree that in humans the mesenchyme then go on to form different parts of the head and the mesoderm the supportive tissue?

    Where does the development lead in a whale or a fish?

  • @StopSpamming1

    Each arch consists of a mesenchymal core derived from mesoderm and neural crest cells and each is lined internally by endoderm and externally by ectoderm. Each arch also contains an artery (one of the aortic arches) and a cranial nerve and each will contribute specific skeletal and muscular components to the head and neck.

    Now none of these structures even remotely resemble a gill

  • @farzanatasneem

    So a simple yes would have been more efficient.

    After the fifth week they do resemble gills - even in humans.

    Again: where do gill arches in fish come from, since you did not answer that question?

  • @StopSpamming1

    I have not studied fish embryology and so you can takeover with your knowledge of fish embryology saying that it starts the very same way in fish but becomes gills

    RIGHT??

  • @farzanatasneem

    Haha, neither have I, but it looks so intuitively obvious and is substantiated in the literature.

    Did you look into the Haeckl dispute and the updates?

    Can I insert this link to a paper?

    ncse . com/book/export/html/2317

    If it works go and take a look. Much better than I can do here.

  • @StopSpamming1

    From the link you gave

    ""This shared developmental program reflects shared evolutionary history. "

    The shared developmental program has nothing to do with evolution ., what Haeckel meant by Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny is that the embryos of different organism pass through stages they have undergone during evolution.

  • @farzanatasneem

    Well if I understand it correctly that is the point they make. The Richardson claim "hardly undermines the strong support for common descent from embryology".

    The paper also does nothing to support your claim that Haeckl is discredited and supports my suggestion to revisit and re-ascertain your judgement.

  • @StopSpamming1

    In America when there was lack of electricity for sometime , even well civilised people looted the supermarket as there was no one to watch.

    While in Makka even today most of the shops are left open while people go for prayer and no=one steals.

  • This is just a long glass pipe fallacy with an appeal to emotion for taste.

    You must give us time to brainwash you and then you will see what is rightous and if you don't you will suffer the ultimate defeat.

  • @TurumbarTurin

    It is easy to brainwash anyone who does not have moral guidance from God.

    We can explain every crime we commit with circumstances that made us commit it.

    I had no money to buy a car of my dream and everyone else who surrounded me had one of his own so I decided to snatch it away from the one who had two cars !

    By no means !

    There are strict rulings of morality in Islam !

  • @farzanatasneem I described your argument: when you buy into islam you will see the right of it.

    That is the glass pipe fallacy, I just used brainwash to explain what it was that you proposed.

  • @TurumbarTurin

    I have not uploaded this video for victory or defeat.

    It is an eye openner for Muslims to understand that acceptance of Islam is the start of a long journey of resistance of soul against evil forces, and we need to constantly make efforts to purifye our souls.

    A non-Muslim will not understand the reason of this struggle !

  • @farzanatasneem Defeat was your word in the video, I reused it to point out the appeal to emotion fallacy.

    A non muslim will not accept the islamic version of this struggle but will still have the same basic struggle with about the same success rate as a muslim and rational non muslim won't blame the boogey man for the temptations.

  • @TurumbarTurin

    Defeat was the word for the defeat in the hereafter where the latest code of laws from God will be the criteria of Judgement of the people.

    For worldly success there are both Godly laws and worldly laws and 100% success is not guaranteed in the world by obeying any rule or command 100% of time.

  • May Allah forgive you for you have brought dishonour upon islam. Cover yourself my sister. You must wear a burqua with a mesh covering your eyes otherwise you will be tempting the infidel kaffir amongst us. The prophet (pbuh) commands you to do this and to be respectable.

  • @princessaisha100

    When did you meet me ??

    Where did the Prophet pbuh command this ?

  • @princessaisha100 Once you will understand the definition of Your Creator, you will understand why should you submit to His will as He is the omnipotent and His directives for our life will bring success in this world and hereafter

    This submission is Islam, the religion that was given to humanity by each and every messenger who was sent by God to direct our life,

    To every nation

    And to every people on the earth

    At every age tilllast prophet, Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him.

  • HOWEVER,THE LAW COULD NOT SAVE US,BECAUSE WE HUMANS ARE WEAK IN OUR FLESH.GOD SENT HIS SON,JESUS CHRIST,SO THAT WHEN WE BELIEVE IN HIM,HE MAKES US HOLY(John 3;1 Corinthians 2).

  • @warriorforchrist4

    Jesus, peace be upon him was the last messenger of God when he arrived on the earth and the latest word of God brings the latest laws to mankind by which they will be judged, so there is nothing abnormal in verses of Bible that say that he was the way to heaven when he was on earth but after him the last prophet has taken his place in guiding through whole truth.

    Son of God was the parable for every person who was a diligent follower of God's command Read Psalms 82:6

  • @farzanatasneem You,sir,with all due respect,have no idea who Jesus is or was.God's plan for salvation is revealed in the bible,not the quran.This plan of salvation is through Jesus and Him alone.That is the gospel of Jesus Christ. :)

  • @warriorforchrist4

    There is no gospel of Jesus Christ in the Bible.

    Qur'an addresses Jesus peace be upon him with more respect than Bible.

  • @farzanatasneem Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel,for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,to the Jew first and also to the Greek.----Matthew 1:21 "She(Mary)will bear a son,and you shall call his name Jesus,for he will save his people from their sins."-----There is only one truth.The gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • @warriorforchrist4

    Jesus, peace be upon him was the last messenger of God when he arrived on the earth and the latest word of God brings the latest laws to mankind by which they will be judged and get salvation , so these verses of Bible say that he was the way to heaven when he was on earth.

    But after him the last prophet has taken his place in guiding through whole truth.

    Every Prophet is the one who saves his people from their sins.

    Qur'an 48:8&9

  • @farzanatasneem This last 'prophet' you speak of tried to take the place of Christ,by making himself greater.In doing so,he has taken away from all Christ did and said.Jesus said to believe in Him for salvation.This makes Jesus much more than any man,for we are to only believe in God. :)

  • I'm not sure if you really understand what morality is to a christian or not.The things you have provided are not accurate.Perhaps I can give you a few references that will help you understand what we believe as christians:GENESIS 1(God created us without sin,GENESIS 3(Mankind sinned and fell away from God's grace,GOD CALLED ABRAHAM AND CHOSE THE NATION OF ISRAEL TO BE HIS CHILDREN.THROUGH THEM HE GAVE US THE LAW,SHOWING US HOW TO BE HOLY(Exodus 20).....

  • Nice video farzan! I got a good sense of what morality means in Islam, although i found the concept of what "Christian morality" means a bit lacking. Perhaps you could say what Christian morality means to you? Then i could understand more clearly. Thankyou for your time, peace be with you.

  • So, FanaticTasneem has struck again. Boo-wraaah!

  • @Klingschor My video tells that Atheists can be moral , until they start using their free will to oppose God's plan for humans to attain the highest standard .

    Did you watch the video??

  • @farzanatasneem

    Hoi sunsine, I has question about Islam Morals (derp!):

    What exactly is moral about killing Homosexuals, considering that homosexuality is natural and that consentual homosexual acts don't hurt anybody? I can't speak for all Atheists (since Atheism isn't an ideology), but from the perspective of a NATURALIST (which I am), Homosexuality is fine. In light of all that, would not Islam's morality in fact be IMMORAL, since it causes needless suffering and unhappiness?

  • @Klingschor

    One who does not understand God's existence as truth cannot see this world from his(God's) perspective and Islamic laws cannot be understood by him

  • @farzanatasneem

    Very well then, sweetheart; one who isn't an Atheist cannot truly understand Naturalism and Naturalistic Morality.

  • @Klingschor

    Naturalistic morality is explained as Christian concept in my video.

    There is an ingrained morality in human beings but to keep it at the same level we need to exert ourselves in different circumstances.

    Do you call every woman as sweetheart, even your mom??

  • @farzanatasneem

    Naturalistic Morality is ATHEISTIC morality, not Christian morality.

    No, only you, honey

  • @Klingschor

    God as a revealer of truth tells us that we do need to make a positive effort to stay within the precincts of morality although he has given us something as conscience but with time this revelation of God is changed by those who do not want to take the blame of their immorality upon themselves and just want to blame God for creating hell.

    Christian concept has been changed to merge with atheistic morality so there is no difference remaining .

  • @farzanatasneem

    Prove it

  • @Klingschor

    I do not like use of such terms for myself so please refrain from using them for me .

    We can address each other plainly with our youtube names , or with a simple " dear "

  • @farzanatasneem

    Furthermore, you used a Strawman for Christian Morality – Christians believed that thanks to Adam and Eve, we are all inherently evil and sinful, and it is only through obeying the laws, preachments and directives found in the Bible that one may reach Heaven. That is Christian Morality. Derp!

  • @Klingschor

    My video does not deal with the aspect of sin.

    It explains the Christian and Islamic concepts of morality.

    It tells why a people en masse or individually can be moral or become immoral

  • @farzanatasneem

    Sin plays an integral part of Christian Morality - congrats for exposing your ignorance on the subject, sweetheart ;-)

  • @Klingschor

    The video is inspired by the book of a former Christian converted to Islam , please refer to the link given

  • @farzanatasneem

    He clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

  • @peace4universe, So Farzan is making her own videos now. HAHAHAHA, Islam gives free will? In what century did this start. When did Islam permit people to control there soul?

    Now I like you & farzan but just never can believe how brainwashed you both can be about Islam. I doubt you can show in any Islamic nation since Muhammad started his invasion of the world that anyone got free will.

  • @seanamico

    Thanks for watching the video

    Did you like it ?

    The Prophet and his companions did give free will to the people and for many centuries coptic Christians remained under the domain of Islamic Sharia law and did not migrate even when they got the chance.

    Please watch my other uploads too

    /watch?v=aNyVJIg2a3g

    /watch?v=n7eBW-LWcl4

    /watch?v=n7eBW-LWcl4

  • @farzanatasneem, How are you, I hope you are doing well. Your video is well done, and I have watched it but accept all this from Islam or teachings? No, I know Islam very well and I have no doubt this is typical of people & nations that were forced to be Islamisized by Arab & they are still following most of there own culture & heritage that has nothing to do with Islam.

    Islam is slavery of mind, body & soul that wants to enslave you, no freedom of any king in Islam or Islamic teachings.

  • @seanamico

    All people were given God's revelations so each nation does possess good from those revelations besides everyone having his own God given sense of morality.

    This quest of soul is fulfilled with obedience to God

  • @farzanatasneem, All people were given gods revelation? I have heard of all the Islamic propaganda as you are portraying right now, it was not accepted when Muhammad tried to force everyone to accept him 1400 years ago & still does not work very well.

    Now having god given sense & morality again not given but learned, if you dont have these values in your family you will never truly know them.

  • AH HA HA HA HA! Now I see iSLAMIC Propaganda trying to compare their Foolish ignorant religion to the Christian's Ah ha ha ha You people are sad. Christ is the way. Allah as you call him is the false God whom will be thrown down. the Black God who meets defeat at the end by the True God

  • You sent me a message to watch this video. What did you think I would gain? I am a murtadeen, and I do not believe that god exists. I believe that life is inherently without meaning, and that in order for life to be beautiful and safe for everyone, human beings themselves would have to step in and create concepts of morality and ethics, and that those concepts should be revised and renewed when new problems arise.

  • Thanks for sharing. Enjoyed watching it. Its visually quite appealing. Conceptually I am not sure. I am a strict humanitarian and fail to understand the staunch concepts or dictates of any religion. Sorry about that. Peace!

  • @qiron

    Thanks for watching.

    There is a debate among Theists and atheists whether those who disbelieve in God can be moral or not. and what is the cause of immorality, that religious do .

    This video explains this aspect very clearly and states that a human has ingrained conscience to morality which needs to be perfected by positive efforts.

    This positive effort starts after one accepts God's guidance.

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