mr. bowers eyewitness to JFK assassination

[petereuropa]

This is for me 100% evidence that there must have been more than 1 sniper. The Men who Killed Kennedy (= the men behind the conspiracy) - had to be 100% sure that this President MUST DIE!

What happened at the so called the Grassy Knoll is not so important. The people were looking away from the TSBD. Then bang, bangbang. That was enough to end that nice and great man's life.

[definemaybe]

is this the guy who committed suicide with 2 shots to the back of the head?

[SuperRod88]

@definemaybe No, Bowers died in a suspicious car accident.

[lovedefeatsus]

@definemaybe No, He was killed in 1966 when his car left an empty road and struck a concrete abutment. It has often been claimed that his death was a murder, but investigator David Perry concludes that there is no basis for this belief.

[rjrgolf]

This guy is full of shit.

[Spahny1]

@rjrgolf

You are a piece of shit.

[rjrgolf]

@Spahny1

Go shit through a screen door.

[aligoulou]

It is obvious that the Warren C,heard and approved only the testimonies that suited the gov. theory.....all witnesses that had shots fired above their heads,coming from grassy K,either changed their story,died,or were not heard,or scared so bad to depression...............threa­tening people works..

[cdddraftman]

One thing we all agree on, the CIA will lie to ua. So do members of congress.  TOO many good people: doctors, nurses, common people, say shots from the grassy knoll or somewhere in front of the limo. Huge hole in the rear of the head; obviously an exit hole.

[Domreiter28]

The government lies to us routinely. Corruption and cover-ups go on all the time, and we hear about it when someone messes up so badly it can't be swept under the rug. Didn't Obama's grandmother say the mother didn't make it back to Hawaii on time to give birth? Where's the vaulted copy of the BC with authenticating features such as the doctor's signature? How much would it cost to release that and put all rumors to rest? Nothing, except the presidency, maybe.

[marcostar57]

@Domreiter28 It's too bad you're not as concened (or weren't) about issues of much graver concern -- like our government lying about WMD's and sending thousands of our troops to die & wasting billions of taxpayers dollars in a war based on deception & falsehoods.

[Normpercy]

THE ILLUMINATI KILL JFK

[BobLillo]

One more key point. Taken out of context, this is an account that can easily be criticized and minimized. The point in any investigation is to take all the evidence en masse and then begin the process of selecting evidence in coherence, regardless of the conclusion it leads to.

[BobLillo]

So the question regarding this "ear-witness" account is not whether he is an expert in firearms as he suggests an officer to whom he reported this told him.

The question is:

Is this person an expert in HEARING ?

I would suggest that he is, even as we all are and have been so all our life, handicapped hearers excepted.

[PabloPena108]

Excellent point his experience with firearms is irrelevant. If he heard shots come one right on top of the other (and he's not the only one) then that's probably what happened.

[dgsimone]

@BobLillo What Bowers heard as the last two shots right on top of each other was confirmed by even the account of others including a Secret Service agent with the motorcade.

[VinnyVoom444]

Here's a charlatan attention whore lying lawyer for you, Bugliosi. As for his claims of no conspiracy with JFK, funny that this same guy was all over a RFK conspiracy when he was trying to establish himself:

watch?v=ZQ4UgPBS4RA

Oooops! Bon appetite you Lone Nut sheeple.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 Why is it funny that Bugliosi put some credence into the possibility of an RFK conspiracy? Why is it not possible that JFK was killed by Oswald and RFK may have been killed by a conspiracy? They are two seperate occurences seperated by 5 years and a thousand miles. Bugliosi has never denied that he held the RFK assassination in suspicion, while at the same time believing that JFK was done in by just Oswald. Why do CT's insist that it be all or nothing. Life doesn't work that way.

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 Open your eyes sheeple boy and watch Bugliosi get schooled.

watch?v=zdT5w3ZMe3E

Anyone adult with eyes to see and an IQ above an insect knows JFK was killed by more than one gunman and the US govt lied and covered it up to prevent WWIII.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 It amazes me that Jesse Ventura can repackage ancient and long debunked theories and people act as if he has somehow broken the case. And Ventura badgering and interrupting Bugliosi is hardly Bugliosi being schooled. In any event I will take Bugliosi's meticulously researched and well written account, Reclaiming History, over Jesse Ventura showing a picture of a bystander in Dealey Plaza and claimiing it is George H.W. Bush.

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 I see. I suppose you're a fan of media darling Gerald Posner's work of fiction too?

Anyway, here's what LBJ said about the matter, off the record, once again "in the interest of national security":

watch?v=oF4_7_Emzy0

Do you want to believe the succeeding President, or a grandstanding trial lawyer using selective evidence, and ignoring all the contradictions trying to sell books. WAKE UP!

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 I guess the fact that the Mannlicher-Carcano was proven to have fired the shots and was proven to have been owned by Oswald is "selective" evidence to conspiracy theorists.

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 Have you actually studied the case, or are you getting your filtered disinformation from pundits like Bugliosi? You do know there is a SWORN AFFIDAVIT from Dallas deputy Weitzman that the rifle found was a Mauser, not a Carcano, and CIA reports confirm that fact, right?

watch?v=UFEx8hjD8kE

And that the initial news reports confirm it.

watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY

And how do you explain the FBI's test firings of the bullet that was deformed beyond recognition compared to CE399?

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 I am also curious, how does a coverup prevent World War 3? Who do you think the US government was covering for? Cuba? The USSR? Vietnam? The only reason to go to war is because a foreign country was behind the assassination. Do you believe one of the above mentioned countries was responsible?

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 It's 1963 dummy. We're deep in the cold war, just went through the Cuban missile crisis, the McCarthy hearings were only a few years earlier. The US government was covering up the conspiracy to protect us sheeple from ourselves... just as they have always done.

WAKE UP! Since when do we need a real villain to declare war? Get back to me when they find Bin Laden and our troops come back from the middle east.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 Wars work better if you can put a face to your adversary. Just ask Saddam Hussein. But you didn't really answer how covering up the conspiracy prevented WW3. Just how did it do that? What was being covered up and just who would we go to war with if it went uncovered? What fact had to be concealed lest the Iron Curtain, or one of its allies, declare war?

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 I'm really getting tired of schooling you. Oswald allegedly "defected" to Russia, then magically was allowed back in to the USA. Please cite one other person in history that has a similar story, I dare you.

Now, let's do the math here shall we?... Alleged defector to USSR + Communist + pro-Castro leftest supporter x Another gunman assisting this man to assassinate the President / Bay of Pigs + Cuban Missile crisis + Cold War = US public outrage, military action, and WWIII.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 There are 11 similar defectors named in a report done for the HSCA in 1979. And by similar, they meant those who, like Oswald, defected to Russia in the time period of the late 50's and 60's and who ultimately were allowed to return to the United States. They are as follows:Morris Block, Mollie Block, Harold Citrynell, Bruce Davis, Shirley Dubinsky, Joseph Dutkanicz, Martin Greendlinger, Nicholas Petrulli, Libero Riciardelli, Vladimir Sloboda, and Robert Webster.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 Your math has an X factor that doesn't allow for a proper solution to the equation. The X being the other gunman who was working under orders or in support of an enemy state with whom we would go to war. I'll allow that you believe there was a second gunman, but there is nothing to suggest who he was. Perhaps I am missing someone, but of all the so-called suspects, none were claimed to have been working for a foreign government. So again, how does preventing war come into play?

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 Let's try a different approach, where you actually start answering MY questions.

Why would LBJ want his feelings about conspiracy in the JFK assassination censored (READ CAREFULLY) ---> "in the interest of national security" if he didn't fear public dissent which could lead to war? What "National Security" were the President's beliefs actually protecting?

watch?v=oF4_7_Emzy0

Can't wait to read your answer.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 First of all, I did answer one of your questions, by naming someone other than Oswald who defected and came back to the US. As for "national security", I am surprised a conspiracy theorist such as yourself takes that phrase so literally. "National Security" has long been used as an excuse to conceal information for many reasons other than national security. But I am curious as to how you think "public dissent", presumably on the part of the American public, would lead to war?

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 I'll save you the trouble. Clearly you believe that Cuba and Fidel Castro was behind the assassination. This is actually what LBJ had in his mind in the censored Cronkite interview. Not sure why Johnson thought that, perhaps you can enlighten everyone as to why you believe that and just what exactly leads you to believe so. But in any case, the idea that this leads to war is a slim one.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 World War would only be inevitable if the USSR stands behind Castro after it is shown that he had Kennedy killed. Of course they would not do such a thing as there is no future in it. They would distance themselves from Cuba and Castro and the US would be free to take back Cuba. No way does Russia blow everything it has to stand with someone who pulls such a move. No more than we would stand behind a West German version of Oswald who would assassinate Kruschev.

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 "World War would only be inevitable if the USSR stands behind Castro after it is shown that he had Kennedy killed. Of course they would not do such a thing as there is no future in it."

I see, but they would risk WWIII and their future to point missiles at us from 90 miles away. YOU'RE DELUSIONAL. I'M DONE WITH YOU!

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 There is a world of difference between strategically placing missiles in Cuba, to counter similar missiles in Europe placed by the US, and endorsing a Cuban plot to assassinate JFK. The simple fact that the USSR ultimately backed down in the Missile Crisis should tell you that they were not as stupid as to directly engage the US. And they certainly proved they wouldn't do it for Fidel Castro. If Fidel, who also wasn't that stupid, breaks ranks, he would be on his own.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 Of course this is all moot. There isn't a shred of evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved in the assassination. No one can directly connect Oswald to the CIA, the mob, Cuba,  the military-industrial complex, Texas oilmen, the Dharma Initiative or anyone else for that matter.

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 That's the answer I expected, NONE. Oh well, the government thanks you for your confidence in knowing that they would never lie to you. Now go back to sleep and remember not to question authority, keep your head in the sand, and be a good 'lil sheeple boy.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 You're one to talk about not answering questions. I have yet to hear you say just who you think it was that we were so afraid to go to war with that "the truth" was covered up by the Warren Commission. And I certainly don't believe the government would never lie. The government is made up of people, and people are nothing if not liars. But that doesn't mean they never tell the truth, or in this case merely state was is clearly self-evident, that Oswald acted alone.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 The only sheeple I see around here are conspiracy theorists such as yourselves who parrot the party line and spout off about how the government is never to be trusted. All the while ignoring the hardcore facts of the case. All of which show Lee Oswald to be the lone killer.

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 You're right, the US government NEVER lies to it's people.. The Gulf of Tonkin incident is just one example. The 2 Presidents on record (albeit initially censored from lil' sheeple like you) shouldn't be believed either.

LBJ:

watch?v=oF4_7_Emzy0

And Warren Commission member President Gerald Ford stating that the CIA covered up facts & destroyed documents in the case:

watch?v=-eZfS-oly10

Go back to sleep you delusional lil' sheeple boy. The govt appreciates your support.

[VinnyVoom444]

@JohnDavidStutts1 The FACT is there isn't a person alive then or now that can put Oswald in that window firing a rifle that day, no matter how many leaps of logic the lone nut sheeple squad want to connect to make it happen. Howard Brennan's testimony was dismissed as the steaming pile of shit that it is by HSCA deputy councilman Bob Tannenbaum. Just one of many things you need to overlook for your fairy tale to be true.

[JohnDavidStutts1]

@VinnyVoom444 Let's say Howard Brennan is lying. Are you saying that if no one sees Oswald pull the trigger, then he is innocent? That will be a great comfort to the legions of murderers who committed their crimes without being seen by an eyewitness. But a witness isn't needed. The rifle was proven to be the murder weapon and it was proven to be owned by Oswald. If you can give me a logical answer, one backed by evidence, as to how these facts can be true yet Oswald is innocent, I am all ears.

[Obelisk2290]

an ambulance chaser twisting the words of Bowers whoo was in a seales tower way behind the TSBD

[ExpatFilms]

He was not way behind the TSBD but next to it and about 100 feet behind the grassy knoll

[Obelisk2290]

and behind the trees and retaining wall that sheild elm street