NEW PARAMOTOR " NIRVANA INSTINCT " - CRASH TESTS

[uncagedone]

There are many , many guys flying Flat Tops :) Instead of writing comments they just fly. :))) On a real side , Dell is completely right about all safety issues other manufacturers fail to address. It's all about SAFETY isn't it. So WHY is it so difficult to listen what expenrienced pilots are saying.

[TheNovaAxon]

Thanks Dell for your advise on the UP glider, I bought it, flies great also with the PPG. PPG is homebuilt, heavy, loud, trustworthy, has a crumplezone and a Helix Tri-Blade for pushing me @ 58-59 kgs. Also equiped with a boyancy cilinder wich pops at contact with water. Converted Jetharnass release for quick out. Harnass built by an para -rigger. Tested at the university. Theres even an TomTom holder for overland flights! Hiha, fly like me baby! Blue skies!

[rzys7789]

Base on my observation this machine (Nirvana) is a great machine. Honestly most of the times I will look enviously at pilots of this machine enjoying thier freedom in the sky because my Adventure M4 is suck!!!! Difficult to start at first go and most times never got it running at all. The biggest hell was when the crank case cracked just immedietly I was airborne. Any pilots out there have the same experience? Plse share with me how your machine fared

[coombekea]

Airfer cages need to be stronger twice i have had an incident first time bent cage second time both cage and prop. and a bugger to straighten.

Manufactures learn from this demonstration. Newbies fall over and that,s a fact just look at YOUTUBE for proof.

[R1Geno]

I like the frame of the Nirvana Instinct. Looks cool!

[albedran2]

Super dale, if your products are the best then your customers should give the feed back not you, you are going around attacking every one else, showing false tests for the other products, i am a p3 pilot, and after watching your videos i decided that you are a great pilot and a used car sellsman.

[pgpete]

aaaahhh!!! - how can you do that to such a nice looking paramotor!

[lightflyer1972]

I own a FB which I enjoy but would of been destroyed by the first couple of tests like that. I'm very impressed. BTW it's much easier to replace a prop than it is to bring a bashed up cage back to life. As for the geniuses who tell people they copy others designs.... there's no need to reinvent the wheel every time. Take the best parts of a good design and make them even better by adding new ideas. That's how we evolve and make things better. 

[explorateurdesairs]

Very resistant cage and frame. was it done with the same blade or how many blades did you scraap diring thse tests. What is the composition of the cage ? titanium prob. !

[JSparky13]

@explorateurdesairs

Very resistant cage and frame indeed. Now I'm not speaking from experience because I baby my Nirvana Instinct, even in transport. I trained with Ryan of Paradrenalin in AZ and yea, this was one blade used in all tests. If I'm not mistaken he did this at beach blast too, I would assume on purpose! My model is the newer one and it's all black carbon fiber and the outer ring is high grade aluminum. I stalked this sport for5years and this is what I paid for. Couldn't be happier

[JSparky13]

Mine is identical to the one he has on at the end of the video. It's truely a work of art. When you first get it you're surprised how easy it goes together and comes apart and you don't think it can be this strong.....well once my balls get bigger I'm sure that I will test it out....on accident of course ;-)

[randyelise]

This message is for superdickscraptop. I have read your comments and have noticed one glaring point. If you want people to take your comments seriously, learn how to write properly. What I mean by this is that you have many misspelled words, incorrect sentence structure, and bad punctuation. Poor writing skills makes you sound really stupid and makes it difficult to take you seriously.

[ebopportunity]

you guys all need to just market your own machines and get off each others backs. This kind of crap is bad for business... for everyone involved. Bad Karma.

[imasuper0308]

@ebopportunity I disagree. Experts in the sport have a moral obligation to warn new people coming into the sport about obvious dangers. In fact it is a commandment from God to warn your neighbor about pitfalls that lay before them. So no we definitely should not stay quiet about blatantly obvious safety issues like not having any crumple zone, protection from the prop, quick release harness, fact plant protection... There is no reason for all the same injuries to keep happening.

[nerblebun]

@imasuper0308 I just read all 13 pages of comments. While superdick,ericharma,and others relied on name calling,bashing, fingerpointing ect. You superdell, remained calm,polite,and factual. No one responded to the fair and impartial comparissons you suggested.I watched a video earlier of a man who fell 100 ft onto concrete and SURVIVED because of the crumple zone.I've never flown PPG, but that video and your conduct with all these bashers have convinced me.Only a Flat-Top will do.

[cobravision1]

nice to see your not ripping adventure paramotors off any more, only a little

[imasuper0308]

Look at the vicious hate coming from the Nirvana sales people. These people do not love you or care one bit about your safety. It is really scary. They bash bash bash but don't explain about the dangers of not having crumple zone or protection from the netting and no quick release harness or anything to prevent a face plant. There are so many safety features on the Flat Top, they save lives. Look at the facts, the hate & contention should tell you about their morality as well.

[superdickscraptop]

@imasuper0308 LOL, You only face plant with a Crap Top because when you run your feet hit the cage and trip you up. This is why everyone is modifying the CT, just take a look around and see all the pictures and complaints about it, do you see any Nirvana owner complaining? absolutely not! Why? Because Nirvana have the best designed unit on the market! Plain and simple...

[superdickscraptop]

Nirvana also does not deal with criminals like Dell, He is very good at tricking the newbies into buying his CRAP, but you will never find the experienced people buying his crap! There is no Comparison between Nirvana & CRAPTOP! Its like Night and Day...

[superdickscraptop]

Looks like little Dell boy cant shut his fucken mouth! For a little cunt he has a big mouth! If you people want information about Nirvana products try contacting them by email, they wont swoop to Dell's level, they are a professional company making paramotors in the biggest PPG factory! Not in the garage where Dell makes his CRAPTOP.....

[ozoneppg]

Around 1:33 of this video, that's how you break your back. I fly with over sized cage that might give some beginners a bit of trouble at the start of their ppg career, but I will go with safety over looking pretty any time.

[stellarFox1]

@ozoneppg so as much as I have gotten some flak about FT initially b/c of Dell's sometimes let's call it "over enthusiastic" delivery, many have seen quickly that the FT has features they wished they had. Here's another one... while I wait for my turn to launch I don't stand and carry the PPG I get to sit in the harness and the "seat" bucket that is formed by the hard seat board under my butt and my legs simply supporting so I don't tip over. I carry NOTHING... no LBS until I'm ready to launch.

[superdickscraptop]

@stellarFox1 Same with the Nirvana, you just sit down, till your ready and off you go, you are nto carrying any weight. Just going back a bit, 5lbs here and 10lbs theres makes a big difference when your PPG is not balanced right. You will find this out when one day you try a Nirvana on your back, the 59lbs unit feels like 30lbs on your back because of the amazing design, Very well balanced..

[stellarFox1]

@ozoneppg: so the whole argument of weight is moot to me. I don't care if the PPG is 40lbs, 50, or 70lbs. I rest sitting, I lean forward get up, start the motor, lift the wing and in few strides I'm in the air. no sweat.

[Galvoflysoz]

This has been an interesting walk through the abuse and chat, And as an person looking to get into the sport from paragliding I find it interesting that it is actually Dell getting bashed with bullshit? reading the messages he seems to be passionate about safety and looking at these crash tests it's great to see the frame take a beating but there is no netting at all (I notice that there is some fishing line now on the unit??? Wonder how it would stack up Dropp testing as in a stall or such???

[Galvoflysoz]

Also That these units are dear but they come with a lot more? the travel case looks great and it seems you get a reserve as well? What I dont get is why the instinct is 3G's more???? as should be cheaper to produce as once you have rolled the ring it is clipped together with plastic so there is not the time of bending and tig welding the Ali frame of the rodeo?????? Now Iam not a FT owner lover or anything but there are somecrap units out there that should'nt be on the market .

[Galvoflysoz]

Also the biggest problem is the bullshit on websites!!!!! Weight ,thrust, HP, every website I have been to has bullshit on it !!!! Why weigh a motor without harness and prop??? There needs to be a independent review, I like the look of the Adventure outfits they say unit is 20kg paramotor mag 29kg?????? At least Dell replies to you I have emailed manufacturers for specifics and differences in there own figures on there web pages ( 63kg thrust one page next page the same unit produces 70kg??)

[Galvoflysoz]

A lot of manufacturers don't even reply??? so no chance of my business there as how will I go with replacements?? Why won't Nirvana replace the part Dell has mentioned.? Can someone tell me the HP of the ROS 125 as 29hp sounds a little odd even more than the Vittorazi Monster 185??? Why has every other manufacturer out there got an expansion box on there Simonini except Nirvana I have checked heaps?? Maybe Dell has a point??

[stellarFox1]

@Galvoflysoz. I'm a new PPG pilot and an owner of a Flat Top 200S and must say that a lot of hoopla that I'm reading here about weight this and weight that are really non consequential to me. 5lbs this way or 10lbs that way... as you say everyone is skewing the spec their way. You have to remember that the moment you have the wing over your head especially a good one that has good lift, and as soon as it'll get a bit of airflow (2 steps) it lifts up your PPG off your shoulders.

[stellarFox1]

@Galvoflysoz My experience with the flat top so far has been very positive. The engine is really reliable, electrical starter system kicks it off everytime, while I noticed other's (black devils especially I've noticed several times) are killing them selves with the pull starts. The harness with the single quick release is a God sent. I could not honestly switch to anything else now. getting in an out is a snap while others are battling 4-5 buckles while on their knees. not fun.

[superdickscraptop]

@stellarFox1 This is because you havent put a Nirvana on your back. You will switch real fast when you do. Its a proven fact. You are correct about the other units you speak about, i know one guy thats thinking of suing because his shoulder is damaged from pull starting those things all day long :)

[Funguyross]

I must say, as a complete newbie to this sport, in fact so newbie that I haven't yet booked training, I've just decided it is something I am definately going to get into, I have watched loads of Dell's vids and he doesn't seem to slag off other manufacturers, he just highlights the safety of the flat top.

[TheNovaAxon]

Nice design, nice tests, nice video. My compliments, let the others do the talking...

[imasuper0308]

The number one injury right now on units other than Flat Tops is hands & body parts in the prop. The number one cause of death is drowning. Then spine injuries. I would encourage the Nirvana people to address these safety issues as their nice units would be even better if they had safety like the Flat Top. I'm glad to see the Nirvana getting more attention than some of the other brands though that are real piles of junk. The Nirvana is pretty nice. Just address safety.

[PPGKrakow]

Very strong and reliable engine,interesting film :)

Greetings

[ericharma]

parap...I agree w/ you...MOST injuries in this sport are to knees, ankles, hands,etc from trying to launch heavy paramotors. The 200cc simo Flat Top ( most common FT ) is a HEAVY bulky paramotor & is 10lbs heavier than the 200cc simo Nirvana ( their websites will confirm this ). Dell also says his 200cc simo gets 13 more hp than Nirv's SAME 200cc simo engine because of his loud pipe...LOL...Hes obviously never flown a Nirv..The Nirv puts out PLENTY of power enough that I have tandemed 500lbs..

[TheNovaAxon]

@ericharma Some ppl go by the measures and not by the feeling or fun. I wonder what a dB-meter would measure with Superdell around... Way louder than a Nirvana anyway. The most injuries on other ppl after reading a Superdell-comment is a stunning headache and his most common injuries are dislocated jaws and worn-out vocalcords of shouting at others

[ericharma]

para p....Dell is going to respond to you by saying his Flat Top is only 47lbs and the Nirvana is 55lbs. BUT he wont say that weight is for his small 120cc unit that is to small for most people. Most FT's flown are his 200cc Simo which his own website lists as a heavy 65lbs ( i think its prob even heavier or at least feels heavier due to awkward design ).. Dell will say his 120cc 14hp motor is as strong as NIRVANAS 27hp Simo 200cc ( same motor as his best units use ) ..Dell is dillusional...

[imasuper0308]

Yes thanks for mentioning the power of the Flat Top 120 ericharma. Because the Nirvana doesn't use an expansion chamber it kills the power just like Fresh Breeze does. I just tested a Flat Top 120 against the Fresh Breeze and Nirvana Simo and they are very similar. Try them, instead of bashing things and posting false information just try them. Have you flown a 120? Also post a picture of the 55 lbs because once again you are not accurate. Perhaps you don't intent to post false info. CHECK

[paraprorabka]

Have You ever flown with Nirvana?

[imasuper0308]

Yes, it is a nice unit.  That's why I'm encouraging better safety.

[paraprorabka]

Dell - is there any other paramotor as good in safety as Yours? (maybe similar?)

Yo wrote a lot of things about spine and it's safety = tell me what about knees?!

Your paramotors are in a HEAVY weight - how many landings do You have with troubles? I think that most of them You did well, but think about knees!!!! WEIGHT!!!

[ericharma]

Guys..and especially you Dell as a dealer / instructor of this sport should know better..Bashing peoples products, rehashing a specific DEATH / injury in the sport..TOTALLY BAD FOR THE SPORT. Dell you're letting a couple of people out there who post a false garbage statement turn YOU into one of them. The PPG community knows when a crack pot poster is spewing BS. SAVE WHAT CREDIBILITY YOU HAVE LEFT & DONT TURN INTO THE CRACK POT WHOS BAD FOR THIS SPORT BY YOUR EVER INCREASING DUMB STATEMENTS...

[imasuper0308]

Ericharma you are the one bashing fine sir. I'm just pointing out the facts without any insults at all. Yes I agree all your bashing doesn't do any good. When I talk about crumple zone or kevlar netting why not just respond with accurate and logical information on the topic? No need to bash. I think the Nirvana is a pretty nice unit. I just wish they would update some of the safety features to match the Flat Top. I'm glad to see people looking at Nirvana instead of others, it's better.

[imasuper0308]

The USA Nirvana importer died on a Nirvana paramotor. Yes a RedBull pilot was injured on a Flat Top after doing a death spiral wing tip drag through some brush that snagged his glider while he was totally sideways doing 50mph. Death from just touching a tree vs injury & recover from an insane maneuver? Yes one injury in the history of time after an insane maneuver where he would have likely died on anything else. Thanks for bringing that up. Nirvana's are nice, just not the safest. Hello?

[superdickscraptop]

Yes your Crap Top is so safe that Chris Santacroce crashed and ended up in hospital with lots of broken body parts!! He should have been flying a NIRVANA PARAMOTOR and then he would have walked away no problem! You need to stop smoking that weed you see what it does to you? you start losing your mind, not that you had one to start with!

[TheNovaAxon]

@superdickscraptop LOVE THE NAME!!!

EAT THIS not so SUPERDELL! ( whats in a name, in Dutch this means super whore!)

[imasuper0308]

Why do you even go nuts arguing this stuff. Just put it on a scale and grab a Db meter. That's how I know what I know. Why don't you want to know the truth? What is wrong with you? You obviously don't care even one little bit about reality. If being closed minded is your gig then that just fine. For other people though they really should know the facts. There are pictures and videos of the Flat Top on a scale and thrust tester. The Db test was done by my competitors. No reason to argue.

[superdickscraptop]

@imasuper0308 You know nothing stilly little Cunt!

[superdickscraptop]

@imasuper0308 He has blocked me from posting on his Crap Top Videos... I wonder why???? because he doesnt want all his followers to know the truth about him. Just google the Cunts name and you will find out all about him, maybe then you wont spend you money on his junk!

[TomTheHarmonicaKid]

@imasuper0308 This guy knows what he's talking about - just go check out his vids... he's a pro more or less.. 

[imasuper0308]

Hey man I still love you. It's great you love Nirvana. That is fine for you. For anyone else that wants the truth though it is very simple. Just test them both. Put them both on a scale yourself and you will see who is right and who is not very educated on the subject. The really sad thing though is the injuries & death that happen from the lack of safety updates. There's another guy liquidating his gear after beaking his back... get up to date paramotors, it just isn't worth it.

[ericharma]

Wow, your beyond help.You know before this experience debating w/ you I was just a guy in this sport who thought of you as a good pilot & actually thought of the FT as prob the 2nd or 3rd best paramotor out there. But now after listening to you spew bs lie after lie I now doubt many of your claims w/ your FT's & flying supposed records. Every where i go people bash you..I assumed they were jealous or ?? but now I know they all have actually been right all along, your a dillusional lying nut case

[imasuper0308]

Ok let's make another wager, another $10,000 and we break out the Db meter and thrust tester and put them back to back. The truth is very easy to find. Just try it. Why are you so insanely nuts about this? That's lovely that you like the Nirvana. That's no problem. Will you still love it when you are missing fingers? Will you?

[ericharma]

You better get back on your med's.. Your FT 200cc Simo is super loud....The Nirvana 200cc Simo Rodeo is way quieter...you just lost $10k......

[imasuper0308]

55 lbs? Ok tell ya what, lets make a $10,000 wager that the Nirvana is not 10 lbs lighter as you say. Are you in? Didn't think so as you would lose. Your information is false. Anyone who wants to know the truth can just throw them both on a scale side by side and you will see who is lying and who isn't. For all your bashing you should try putting them on the scale so you have a better idea what you are talking about. The Flat Top has a kevlar harness, 12oz batteries, carbon composit seat..

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 Your own website says your FT 200cc Simo is 65lbs & we all knoiw it is actually heavier than that or at least feels even heavier than that due to its design........The 200cc Simo Nirvana Rodeo is 55lbs ( FACT much lighter than your tank) you just lost another $10K....OUCH the truth & facts hurt dont they Dell......

[imasuper0308]

Look at the muffler right where it comes out of the engine on the Nirvana. Where is the smooth curve and expansion chamber? That's why it is so weak on power. Then they have the smaller prop, then they also have a non optimal reduction. This isn't rocket science. It's pretty obvious stuff. Kudos to Nirvana for working on their durability though which has been a huge problem for them. Too bad it is $11,000, the Flat Top is only $5700 WITH durability & safety INCLUDED. Hmm.

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 Hmmmmm..is Dell lying again??? $11k really?? The superior Nirv Rodeo is $7,845 and the inferior product via FT that has maybe a tiny bit more power & is loud, heavy & bulky is $7,800.......same price....sorry Dell your dinky 120cc just doesnt cut it

[imasuper0308]

$5700 Flat Top 120

$7845 Nirvana Rodeo

The Nirvana puts out about 140-150 lbs of thrust on the perfect day and the Flat Top is about 120-130. The Nirvana weighs about 61 lbs and the Flat Top is 47.4. The Nirvana will explode when you trip and fall down, the Flat Top won't. The Flat Top has hundreds of safety features the Nirvana has zero. The Flat Top has a 2 lb kevlar harness the Nirvana harness weighs about 6-8 lbs. That's the reality which is why I'm leaning towards Flat Top.

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 Are you blind this very video shows NIRVANA crash testing their paramotor over & over...Hmmmm no explosion dell, infact the Nirv stays together perfectly......are you lying again??...no way.. Dell telling a lie about the competitors product...SO YOU SAY 61lbs for the NIRV...Dell are you lying again?? Oh yeah i forgot when your typing or your lips are moving your lying....your own website lists your 200cc weight at apx 65lbs......The 200cc Nirv is listed correctly at 55lbs

[imasuper0308]

Post a video of the 500 lb tandem on a Nirvana. I've posted that very thing of the Flat Top and it was on a 28sm glider AND at 4500 ft. The Nirvana has no expansion chamber, it has a smaller prop than the Flat Top, it has the non optimal reduction. It simply doesn't put out anywhere near the thrust. If you don't mind a bit less power or live down at sea level then just get a Flat Top 120. Save a huge chunk of weight with a more durable and safer setup. Try both back to back, you will see.

[ozoneppg]

@imasuper0308 there is plenty of people who have gained a lot from your experience including myself,  there is a lot of us who appreciate what you do as far as tasting gliders, paramotors etc, don't let these haters get to you man, chill, I hope I can fly with you one day, and have a beer afterwards, Pete.

[imasuper0308]

@ozoneppg No worries man, it would be nice though if people could just discuss the different points rationally and logically without getting so bent out of shape. I like many of the things Nirvana has done, there are many simple things they could update though that would make a big difference in safety and performance. Imagine if people could just look at each point and discuss it intelligently to work towards a better tomorrow for everyone.

[superdickscraptop]

@imasuper0308 LOL!! You need a NIRVANA not a CRAP TOP! it junk and made in a garage my a criminal! He will rob you blind! DONT ever buy a Crap Top, Remember you are supporting a criminal if you but stuff from him! He lies through his teeth, well whats left of them after i knock them all out pretty soon.. Someone needs to shut this idiot up!..

[TheNovaAxon]

@superdickscraptop You are calling Dell a criminal after threatning him with violence and battery and made yourself guilty to slander and defarnation? A mirror would help, dont you think?

To all other real pilots: Blue Skies!

[imasuper0308]

Eric you really don't have to go nuts about this. I'm glad Nirvana is trying to make their units more durable. That's excellent. Great work. Does anyone have any idea how to get service from Nirvana? Anyone? I need parts and have been waiting 10 months. Anyone? Anyone at all? The dealers don't have them in stock and Nirvana only refered me to the dealers. Hello? Service on Nirvana anyone? This is the reality Eric. Shall I mail YOU the failed starter? Who is going to replace parts?

[imasuper0308]

Want to see power? Just watch my video of 7 circles with the wing tip touching the whole way. Don't even think about trying than on a Nirvana. Without an expansion chamber on a 2-Stroke you totally kill the power. It makes no sense to use a big heavy engine and kill the power. If you want less power then go with a smaller engine. Prop size is extreeeemly important though, that is one more reason why the Flat Top is soooo powerful, soooo quiet and soooo safe. Prop size is VERY important!!

[imasuper0308]

Eric you keep going on about the same thing. We've already been there. Yes the Nirv has pull start which VOIDS the simo warrantee and it electric start. That's why it is sooo dang heavy. It has zero warrantee. I have a broken Nirvana starter from almost a year ago I STILL haven't received a replacement for. Nirvana's VOID the Simonini warrantee so people have nothing. Then since Nirvana service is so far 10 month delay. Yikes!! Quit being ridiculous man. It is just silly.

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 FACT NIRV provides a 1 year warranty. FACT FT's w/ similar power are at least 10lbs heavier....Ive got 200+ hours on my NIRV w/ zero problems. Ive got friends who have gotten parts quickly. Big reps are now in Fl & AZ so you can get most key parts faster than ever. Your dillusional...You sell the FT so thats why you falsely bash everything else. KEEP SPEWING THE LIES YOUR CREDIBILITY AS A TRUSTED DEALER DROPS DAILY......NIRV is now in the USA & Dell is nervous...

[imasuper0308]

Yes the Nirv does come with a 1 year warrantee. That is ONLY through Nirvana though and neither of the US dealers stock all parts. They just don't have the funding to do so. The FACT is that I am still waiting now 10 months on a failed Nirvana starter. 10 lbs? Wanna put some money on that? Didn't think so. It is a lie. I sell both silly, the Nirvana is what it is. I just sold a Flat Top to a guy who train on Nirvana. He replaced the prop & cage TWICE on the Nirvana so he got a Flat Top.

[imasuper0308]

27hp? Dude you have no expansion chamber on the Nirv. The Simonini is 25.5 hp WITH the factory TUNED exhaust. By using the Nirv muffler you totally kill the power from the 25.5hp clearn down to about 18hp. But then you also use the wrong prop & reduction. Want to do a thrust test side by side with a Flat Top 120? A 2-stroke must have the prop expansion chamber to make the power. It is silly to use the big Simonini and then kill the power, it is much smarter to use the small engine like FT

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 Trust me NIRVANAS motor has crazy thrust. I wouldnt fly it if it didnt. It puts out so much power i launch 500lbs tandem no problem w/ it. I GUARANTEE you thats not 18 HP doing that as you falsely claim. Ive flown most all paramotors the NIRV puts out huge thrust, just as much or very close to your best units....Your claims are BS...You show me a side by side neutral test done by someone proving your ridiculous claims...NIRV puts out huge thrust enough for accomplishing anything !

[imasuper0308]

Kudos to Nirvana for trying to update their durability. That is great! So many other paramotors just self destruct when you fall down and updating the durability is a huge and important thing for the industry. How many people have walked away from the sport because of self destructing paramotors? Now start updating the safety and you will really be all alone at the top with the Flat Top. There is no reason for people to chop their fingers off. Let's see some kevlar netting on that thing....

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 NIRVANA the leader in the industry does more R&D & tests in one year than FT ever has. NIRV has big power more than enough, it parts down into awesome carrying bags in minutes, it's risers never twist. It's the highest quality paramotor in the industry. The FT is loud, bulky, doesnt break down small enough & ship easy, has too much power causing tork problems, is more difficult to foot launch by design...I know your only come back is "it has crumple zone" for poorly trained pilots

[imasuper0308]

Yes you have said all that many times. It doesn't make it any more true though. The Flat Top tied for second quietest paramotor on the market. That's fact. It does break down very small because of a 5 piece cage. Yes high soft hang points ARE more prone to riser twists, watch my video where I fly in circles both left & right with no hands. What torque problem? That's just not true either man. Everyone seems to be launching them piece of cake so that is obviously false as well. Got truth?

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 Dell as a rep of FT & w/ your ridiculous claims your credibility is ZERO. NIRV is superior in design, noise, comfort, portability, accessories, NIRV has both electric start & pull on every unit,NIRV is equal or very close in power(& has more than enough hp),is more reliable w/ superior assembly, wiring etc. Face the FACTS the best FT's you sell are heavy, big, loud, not comfy, hard to transport,etc.All you offer is a good engine but w/ an old school loud spring pipe for 1 more hp

[imasuper0308]

Let's thrust test them side by side. How much do you want to wager that the Nirvana can compare to Flat Top power? It can't. The power on a Nirvana is very poor. More comparable to the Flat Top 120 which is far lighter, so quiet you can't even hear the engine past 1/3rd throttle and way safer. Heavy? lie, Big? Yes bigger, prop size is everything, that's why it is so much more powerful and with less noise as well as much safer, not comfy is just a lie man and you know it. Yes FACTORY pipe.

[imasuper0308]

Why can't Nirvana implement some safety? Obviously they spent some time and money but for what? What's the number one injury with people that don't buy Flat Tops? Chopped up hands & body parts. Why not fix the problem? The Flat Top should not be the ONLY unit on the market with all these major safety advances. That is just silly. I love to see the improvement on durability but why not just follow the lead of the Flat Top and update the safety? It just doesn't make sense.

[imasuper0308]

The Nirvana has ZERO protection from the prop. It has NO crumple zone under the pilot. It doesn't have a quick release system to save lives... You guys simply don't have the experience flying to really understand how many more people are going to get seriously injured & killed over and over and over in all the same ways. Why not fix these major issues? This isn't rocket science. You can bash the Flat Top all you like but it doesn't negate the facts.

[garyfreefly1]

I like the look of this paramotor and Ive also flew a fare few designs over the years I agree with what you say about the flat top.... You might as well wear a straight jacket ..than fly a flat top.....so big so cumbersome.....its just a plain ridiculous

design .......and remember all bad pilots should have crumble zone built in to their paramotor

[ericharma]

Dell you say "Nirvana has no comfort bars to prevent a face plant"...first of all youre comfort bars arent comfortable & actually they probably cause more face plants than prevent by akward bulky design. You might be able to fool people new to the sport that youre FT you sell is the best but experienced neutral pilots who have flown both know better. Suggestion..save your credibility & don't start saying your decent Mustang gt FT is better than a superior Ferrari made reliable the Nirvana ..

[imasuper0308]

Why spend so much effort lying about the Flat Top? Without "comfort" bars to hold the harness open in flight, the harness collapses on your body squishing you the second you take off. A Ferrari has a supportive seat, surrounded by a very stiff body with the driver securely fastened. THAT is a Flat Top. The Nirvana has no structure. It's like putting your wheels on with straps. You don't get the stability of the solid subframe and therefore you lack the precision like a Ferrari. Flat Top!

[ericharma]

I don't sell ppg's I just fly, Ive owned & flown most every ppg out there. Nirvana puts out huge thrust & power enough to easilly tandem 500lbs. It's reliability construction, design is 2nd to none. The Nirvana is quiet w/ less vibration, has much more comfort, has the best components, wiring, versatility. Once again go to the Nirvana website for 50 reasons why its superior. I guarantee you ANY experienced neutral pilot who fly's both will say FT is decent but Nirvana is easilly the BEST.....

[imasuper0308]

Huge thrust? Let's see your video of you launching tandem on a 22sm glider at 4500 ft. Where is it? You don't have one. The Flat Top is huge power. It is proven. Look at the thust tests done by the COMPETITORS of the Flat Top. Nothing compares to the thrust. Quiet? Yes at full throttle if you make waaaaay more thrust you make more noise. At EQUAL thrust the Flat Top TIED for second quiestest with Fresh Breeze. THAT is a fact. Vibration? Flat Top dual mounts, Nirv has single. Hello?

[ericharma]

Dell, you have a vested interest in selling FT's..ofcoarse youre going to say it's the best. It's decent but FT is 15 years behind Nirvana in technology & advancement in the sport. Nirvana is the Ferrari made reliable & the FT is a mustang gt w/ a awkward bulky roll cage around it. FT by design feels much heavier than it is. The FT quick release is an inferior set up & is not needed w/ Nirvanas agama. I challange anyone to fly both as I have...FT is a distant 2nd or 3rd behind the Nirvana.

[imasuper0308]

I sell BOTH. What you sell has zero to do with the FACTS. WHAT technology?? No updated safety features in 20 years??? How is that technology? The Flat Top and ONLY the Flat Top has updated every single known issue in the industry. What updates does the Nirv have? How is the Flat Top bulky when it is smaller and LIGHTER than the Nirvana? Set them side by side! Because of the Flat Top design it has the smallest over all size while maintaining the maximum protection and prop clearance. Amen!

[ericharma]

Go to Nirvanas website for 50 reasons why it's better than the Flat Top. The FT is decent but it's no where close to the Nirvana.

[imasuper0308]

Name one? You bash the Flat Top and talk about Ferrari but name one way it is better? It's lack of protection from the prop? Is that better? It's major lack in power? No crumple zone below the pilot? Every single paragliding harness updated to padding under your butt about 20 years ago. Back injuries are a KNOWN problem. How is NO protection for your spine BETTER??!! Floppy harness connection? How is having your hang points come together in flight so you easliy end up with riser twists better?

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 Dell you brought all this on yourself by bashing the obviously best paramotor in the industry the NIRVANA. Once again you sell FT & your ofcoarse going to say its the best regardless. The FT is a decent unit built for the poorly trained pilot who is going to crash a lot. And i feel soory for a new pilot trying to learn foot launch w/ the FT due to it's size & heavy feel by awkward design. How is heavy awkward better?? How is loud better? How is uncomfortable better?

[imasuper0308]

I'm not bashing anything, I'm stating very obvious facts. How is 47 lbs heavy and bulky? You have no clue what you are talking about. The Flat Top 120 is more in the power class of the Nirv. There is no comparison. Heavy? Awkward? It is lighter and easier man. Why not just let the facts stand? You don't have to make stuff up. I'm glad you like your Nirvana, that's great. Will you still like it after you chop your hand off or have yet another prop strike? Try the truth man, it's smarter.

[ericharma]

@imasuper0308 What?!! Your dillussional..Your comparing the NIRVANA to your FT 120 w/ 14 hp. LMAO !!The NIRV uses the same motor as your best FT units and puts out 27hp which is more than your FT 200 ( thx to NIRV factory tuning) & the NIRV is way lighter than those FT units. FT is totally inferior w/ it's typical LOUD pipe proned to cracking & breaking springs. FT's heavy weight & loud units are bad for the sport. Beginners have a hard time launching the unit & the noise ticks off anyone nearby

[superdickscraptop]

Super dick you need to get you and your Crap Top out of this discussion! Your Crap Top is no where near the same league as the Nirvana Paramotors! I don't know why anyone would buy or believe anything from a criminal like you who spends half his life in and out of jail and coning people out of their money and hiding money from the IRS!

[imasuper0308]

Yes many people resort to lies & name calling when they can't debate with reality and logic. I'm sorry you are so frustrated trying to discredit the truth but perhaps just tell the truth and life will be easy for you as well.

[dannyweston1]

@superdickscraptop OH YES!!! Ive never come across you before, BRAVO!!!!! Dell really is a stain on this sport! the brown shitty kind.... love the name, I was thinking of doing something similar! keep up the good work... kudos!!!

[ericharma]

Ive owned or flown almost every ppg type out there. NIRVANA is by FAR the leader in the industry in design, performance, comfort, reliability, etc.. SORRY Dell..your a good pilot & the Flat top ppg you sell is average & decent......BUT it's not even close in design, quality , performance & reliability as the NIRVANA.. The flat top is the typical heavy, bulky unit w/ a good motor......Trust me I've flown both.

[imasuper0308]

Leader at what though? There is no protection for your hands, zero crumple zone to absorb impact, no quick release harness to save your life when you land in water, no fixed hang points to prevent risers twists, no comfort bars to prevent a face plant... and the Flat Top 120 is 47.4 lbs. How is that heavy? Wanna thrust test the 120 vs the Simo Nirv? What performance? Flat Top S = 200+ lbs of thrust vs 140? How can you compare the two? Let's do some side by side so you can see more realistically

[miroarsov]

I would like to see how 14 HP engine will outdo the 27HP Simonini!?!

There is complex math involved.

You are a good pilot. Do not discreditize your business!

[imasuper0308]

A stock Simonini with a tuned exhaust has 25.5 hp. The Nirvana doesn't use a tuned exhaust which kills the power considerably. Then they don't use the optimal reduction. Then they use a shorter non optimal prop. Yes by all means lets do a side by side thrust test as it would be quite eye opening. Do you realize how much thrust they lose from these things? That's why it makes no sense to use the heavier engine and kill the power instead of just use the light motor to start with.  Flat Top!

[miroarsov]

We both know that there is no magic bullet in any industry. Think twice! The hot water is discovered long time ago. And at the end - respecting competition shows more than a good business manner!

[imasuper0308]

It's not magic, protection from the prop, crumple zone, quick release harness, 196 lbs of thrust... it is just hard work and lots of it. Just trying to help. They are welcome to share in the innovations as it will drastically improve safety. Now THAT is good business manner. Who else shares?

[dannyweston1]

Spot on! this is a great little paramotor! I wish I could say the same for the flat top! actually I don't! Dell is an aweful person and I hope he fails in business again!!! its a shame, because he could be a great ambassador for this sport...

[VodkaFanClub]

Not that bad!

[ChrisFoggWatch]

What the? That's how I always land.

[webwizaus]

I agree with imasupa0308. They appear to have sacrificed pilot safety for appearances. No crumple zone is crazy and irresponsible. I wonder how many broken spines will occur before they see the light. I once admired this company for their great designs in paramotoring but after seeing this I do wonder about their mentality.

[ddefeo8644]

Zero protection for the pilot's arms and hands. That's pure genius. Side impact or roll while spinning prop flails away would be fun to watch. Why not do a few of those?

[imasuper0308]

OUCH! Look at him hit directly on his spine. You guys have to create impact protection for the pilot. A fall from even 5 feet like that could seriously injure the pilot. A 10 foot drop could easily KILL the pilot with that design. You must have crumple zone. Every single paraglider manufacturer there is now includes foam under the pilots butt for this reason. In paramotoring it is even more important as you are adding 60-80 lbs to the pilot. Look at the Flat Top design for good ideas.

[CaliFlyer]

All right Dell...why don't you show us doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING with your paramotor design so we can see what happens?

EXACTLY THE SAME THING - not something similar!

[imasuper0308]

Already have, check out my videos and the one I just posted on the truth group. Now what happens to them doesn't happen on a Flat Top so it isn't exact. The Flat Top has a very low center of gravity with rounded skids and rounded comfort bars in front of you so when you hit the ground you just slide no problem. You don't get slammed into your face like in this video. I've seen people land with the wind doing 30mph and they just slide perfectly to a stop without damage. No faceplant.

[pepad]

Flat Top design for good ideas? u must be kidding. what ideas? Its the same like hundreds. the same design, engine, just meters of welded tubes, heavy ... ;-)

[imasuper0308]

The lightest bike frames in the world are aluminum. Welded aluminum. The Flat Top is so well designed you can literally STAND on the netting. Just look at the pictures. Try THAT on any other unit. It is about 100 time stronger than most other units on the market while also being the lightest in it's class. If you don't understand the differences you should really learn as you are seriously missing out.

[pepad]

aluminium? so why does everybody who wants to reduce weight use composites? I know, they are missing out.

[imasuper0308]

Composites work better for compound curves but they don't really save you any weight depending on the application. The seatboard is a good place for them, the Flat Top uses a honeycomb composite there. Most places it would actually be heavier depending on the design. It also costs waaay too much. Why get a $11,000 paramotor that is heavier? Hmm...

[imasuper0308]

It's great you guys spend that much effort to save a $200 prop, you can achieve this same thing on ANY unit by simply using a much smaller prop than the cage was designed for. The important thing is the PILOT. Notice the pilot is your crumple zone and absorbs the impact in all your crash testing. OUCH!! Do like the Flat Top and start working on how to protect the pilot, not just the prop. Check out the Flat Top design, that's how you get the strength without increasing the over all size.

[snowmansid]

Nice looking machine with a strong cage but I don't like the way the fuel tank is taking the brunt of the impact once the frame dig's in.

[fluglehrerbarthel]

Duper Jungs weiter so Gunar Barthel

[almostcapecod]

Not only would my FB cage be destroyed by doing that to it but the motor also has so much movement from the motor mounts even if you did have ground contact without destroying the cage the prop would still hit the cage. Just watch the FB "carnage" videos.

[444paraflyer]

Crash test? I thought I was SUPPOSED to land like that !

[ATIK11]

In America we crash better then that. We exaggerate everything here, bigger cars, bigger houses, BIGMAC...:)

[terrylutke]

great job guys!

[firstprodigy]

did he do all those on purpose?

[garyfreefly1]

crash test dummy or what ! more balls than brains...suppose somebody has to do it (Do they) !!