It will happen easily. A news article will appear statig that the mark of the beast will be enforced worldwide in x number of days, except for Iran. Therefore we go to Iran, where we are held captive until Jesus comes. Does not the Koran have a prophecy where their mahdi rides with Jesus? Therefore they will only detain us. The media has produced a lot of hype, so that this is the exact oppposite of what anyonen would think to do.
The obvious question is why will there be a 2nd Exodus?
Jeremiah the Prophet was told that God would bring again the captivity (3rd slavery; Rev.13:10) of His people Israel and Judah to punish them for walking contrary to Him, His Will and His Ways and Covenants (read Jeremiah 30 (spec. v 3; restating Deuteronomy 28:68)). This "captivity" occurs during the time of "Jacob's Trouble" during the 42 months of Gentile (NWO) rule after WW3. The people are "delivered" when Dan 12:1 occurs.
The second exodus has been fulfilled! Author Steven DeNoon reveals this incredible story in his book "Israel, Are They Still God's People" chapter 11 called Israel Returns. there are postings on the internet about this story and Dr James Dobson has also commented on this remarkable story in favor of DeNoon's research. google him you will be amazed at God's kindness in revealing this to him.
@BenDeNoon What? Dr. James Dobson is a Freemason! and works for satan like Billy Graham. The black people are the true Israelites not white people come on. Who are the slaves in Deut. 28 talking about? you are wrong on this. The pope (white pagan) sets up his rule in Israel and that is when you better have your sneakers on and know where to go if you are the most highs Ehyeh's.
Why will America(daugther of Babylon) be destroyed?
Genesis 15:13-14 (King James Version) 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
The Ancient Israelites were never oppressed 400 yrs in Egypt even the book of Jasher agree.
Why will America(daugther of Babylon) be destroyed?
Genesis 15:13-14 (King James Version) 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
The Ancient Israelites were never oppressed 400 yrs in Egypt even the book of Jasher agree.
Why will America(daugther of Babylon) be destroyed?
Genesis 15:13-14 (King James Version) 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
The Ancient Israelites were never oppressed 400 yrs in Egypt even the book of Jasher agree.
@richardperry2 - So are u saying that Christ returns at the sixth seal and before the 1st trumpet? Let me tell you it will be very hard to interpret prophecy accurate without understanding who are the children of Israel. If u believe they are in Israel today then you've been decieved. Deut 28:15-68 fits only ONE group of people. Can you tell me truthfully by reading those verses and applying them to history what group of people they fit?
If Babylon is destroyed on the 3rd seal, then why does the seventh vial pertain to Babylon's destruction?
Revelation 16:19 (King James Version) 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
@richardperry2 - So are u saying that Christ returns at the sixth seal and before the 1st trumpet? Let me tell you it will be very hard to interpret prophecy accurate without understanding who are the children of Israel. If u believe they are in Israel today then you've been decieved. Deut 28:15-68 fits only ONE group of people. Can you tell me truthfully by reading those verses and applying them to history what group of people they fit?
@richardperry2 - So are u saying that Christ returns at the sixth seal and before the 1st trumpet? Let me tell you it will be very hard to interpret prophecy accurate without understanding who are the children of Israel. If u believe they are in Israel today then you've been decieved. Deut 28:15-68 fits only ONE group of people. Can you tell me truthfully by reading those verses and applying them to history what group of people they fit?
Modern archaeologists do not believe it because they do not believer or even desire to believe that a miracle occured. Their opinion has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with their Euro-centric, hyper-intellectualist paradigm.
David Wolpe like many proclaimed Jews today is a Jew by birth and not by any legitimate Jewish spirituality if we take the Torah at its word. His word is not credible, especially since Passover wasn't three weeks ago.
@BrotherMurray Archaeologists should believe in what they find, not in miracles..Their opinion is the closest to fact as you can get.. You don`t know David Wolpe and should not express any opinion about his beliefs or personality. The message is not from this Passover, but from last year. NOW shut up brother will ya ?
On Passover last Sunday, Rabbi David Wolpe raised that provocative question before 2,200 faithful at Sinai Temple in Westwood. He minced no words. "The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants
The "reed sea" theory has no findings. Archaeologists have found far more in the route which Moses claimed to have followed. The archaeologists that you're citing are making claims based on how they imagine the Exodus happened. Why? Because the facts point towards the miracle and the miracle is something they refuse to accept.
@lizazoon Scientists accept no miracles? Yes they do, they just don't accept real, Biblical miracles. Scientists proclaim the 'truth' behind the big bang, despite the fact it violates two of the most important laws of physics, conservation of matter and energy.
@BrotherMurray And no, the big bang never happened. I was just simply pointing to the fact that scientists accept something which could in no way happen.
@lizazoon I don't have to be a genius to understand the basic laws of physics and to know that energy creating matter, as scientists believe it happened, is impossible.
@BrotherMurray We don`t have to be a genius to understand, that a clump of mud can`t come alive by blowing over it . I have no clou if they can ever be certain how it started, but the big-bang is the best hypothesis right now .Didn`t the cath. church learn a lesson with Galileo ? What he proposed was impossible, right ?
This also means that Babylon shall be destroyed at the very end, not before.
Or, Babylon is destroyed before the very end and all Israelites will return from Europe (North,West), Asia (Sinim..), Africa (Ethiopia..), Australia (hmm, is it mentioned in the bible) where they have escaped.
The return from the Babylonian Captivity under the liberation, protection and sponsorship of the ONLY man that the prophet Isaiah calls "Messiah", Cyrus the Great of Persia, was the second "exodus".
You're looking for a 4th, given that the 3rd already happened in 1948.
Iwannabejew, are you saying that Cyrus is the messiah of which Isaiah speaks? Sorry but I can not comprehend your comment as it looks to me to be a giant run-on sentence (no offense). However, if you are saying that, this could be an interesting discussion.
Yes, Cyrus was the man of which Isaiah was speaking. Do bible-readers have the liberty to await some future fulfillment of Isaiah's use of the word "messiah"?
Sure. But don't neglect the literal meaning to pretend that it only refers to someone it wasn't.
Lets us Isaiah 9:6 just for the heck of it. Are you saying that Cyrus was...
-Born of a virgin?
-The Everlasting Father?
-The Mighty God?
-The one with an eternal throne?
-Was his name 'God with us'?
Given the fact that Cyrus' kingdom fell, given the fact that he was not born of a virgin, and especially considering the fact he ain't the Everlasting Father, I believe it is safe to say that your conclusion is erroneous.
Isaiah 9:6 is Hezekiah, and the word "messiah" isn't used, there. Isaiah uses the word in 45:1, "l'mashiacho l'koresh", "to His Messiah, to Koresh/Cyrus".
You think the whole prophecy of Isaiah is about one person? Oh, that's right. You're Christian. You think the whole BIBLE is about one person. I guess it really simplifies things for the dull-witted, doesn't it?
BTW, one of your early Church Fathers complained that Christians were ignorant for thinking that "Cyrus" in Greek = "Christ".
Hezekiah's throne was not eternal. Hezekiah was not born of a virgin. Hezekiah was not the mighty God, nor was he the everlasting Father.
And Martyr and Tertullian are called Latin Church Fathers for a reason- they are not the Fathers of the Biblical Church, but rather an abberation. In fact, Tertullian and Martyr are not even monotheists. To quote them when discussing the Bible is completely asinine.
Yeshua wasn't born of a virgin. The earliest "Christians", the Ebionites, didn't believe in the virgin birth narrative and possessed a Hebrew version of Matthew that didn't have it.
"The young woman" was a reference to either Isaiah's own woman or that of Ahaz. The sign was for the House of David, represented by Ahaz, not for gentiles ignorant of the Tanakh.
Don't talk to me like I don't know Early Christian History. You are descended from the Universal Church, whether you want to admit it.
Actually, the Ebionites were not the earliest Christians. And concerning keeping the Law, you yourself do not. You don't do blood sacrifices, which are necessary to atone for sins. You don't have a temple which again is necessary to even keep the Law in the most basic sense.
And by the way, a young woman conceiving is not a sign. Its translated VIRGIN. And I like how you glossed over the attribution of the names Everlasting Father and mighty God.
You somehow missed the quotation marks I used, just as you miss just about everything else about what the Tanakh is saying to its reader.
"Christian" just means "Messianic". The Ebionites/Evyonim certainly WERE the earliest "Messianics", because they had their roots in the Dead Sea Scrolls community, which pre-existed Yeshua's supposed ministry. The DSS yachad (community) refers to themselves as the Evyonim and their leader as the Evyon (Poor One).
Well noted is how you Bible-illiterate Christians always conveniently leave things out (important things, like the CONTEXT) in order to make your square-peg false messiah fit into the round hole of the prophesied messiah.
In this case, you leave out that the child's name was the sign, just as the name of Isaiah's children were signs.
To argue for your interpretation, you have to basically blot out the words. "Everlasting Father" is pretty simple. "Mighty God" is pretty simple.
No, "Christian" actually means Christ-like or little Christ.
Your arguments can not stand given the definitions of the words you use, just as we see with Trinitarian arguments of three persons (the words 'persons' actually means 'beings, entities, or substance').
If you have to alter the meanings of words to fit your beliefs, you're in error.
"Christianos" (Christian) is a noun, not an adjective, just as "chrestianos" was a noun referring to "gracious ones".
I don't know where you got your so-called education, but you should ask for a refund. If, however, you're self-taught, that would explain a great deal.
I don't know about you, but 'Gracious ones' and 'messianic' are not the same word or phrase.
So, where is there any literal proof that James rejected Paul? Not some believers alluded to, but an actual epistle, letter, or anything from James. Can you provide one source? No. That division you speak of is a myth, a story, a lie, etc.
Actually, many of the Ebionites did believe in the Virgin birth. Its pretty well known. Moreover, there is no proof that the Ebionites were first.
And concerning the Ebionites, whether they are or were the first Christians is NOT known. Many if not most accepted the virgin birth as it was prophesied.
You would like to propagate the belief that Paul and the Jewish Christian church were at odds, yet we have NO literary proof, no epistles written by Peter censuring Paul. For the leader of the church in Jerusalem to be silent on what would be the biggest Apostate in the world is quite ASININE. For Paul to do the same is against his nature.
The Evyonim pre-existed Yeshua's supposed lifetime. They were Messianic (the translation of "Christian") and they certainly DID NOT believe in the Virgin Birth, Yeshua's "Divinity", of Paul the Liar's antinomian doctrines. Your statement that "most" of them MIGHT have believed in the Virgin Birth is a LIE. YOU are a LIAR.
Peter wasn't the leader in Jerusalem. James was! "Peter" was nothing but a literary vehicle to lend authority to Paul's antinomian teachings. His real name was Simon.
I'm sorry, but you are an ignoramus as respects even your own religion.
I suggest you take a decade to read the source texts of the period: the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Pseudepigrapha, Flavius Josephus, and the Mishnah. I think you're going to need the full ten years before you start getting a clue.
Obviously, you aren't educated enough in the Torah to know that a poor man who can't afford a bird for an offering may instead offer grain. Does wheat or barley BLEED?
If the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of the sacrifices there was the reason for "Christ's" death, then what was the reason during the 37 years before the Temple's destruction?
It's translated "virgin" because Christians NEED it to be translated that way, to cover their mistake!
You can not provide one ounce of fact or scripture to prove your interpretation of Isaiah 9:6. You can insult me tho, which you are quite adept at doing.
And by the Torah's standards, are you poor? When is the last time you payed an actual LEVITE in Barley? With no temple, you can't keep the Law.
And Christianity by no means needed the temple to be destroyed to verify the Messiah as the Law is only a school master. Your faith is composed of the Law, which you can't even keep.
There is a Rebecca St. James song about this, based off of Isaiah, my favorite phrase is "Do you not know, have you not heard, We Will Soar, Like Eagles!"
The system of Satan and his False Religious oder will be Crushed in this earth and Great Babylon will be known for who she really was! The Antichrist order that enslaves and Murders the Saints will once and for all be put Down as with all those who bare his Mark!
I guess that would be a sign of all signs. If those who are called by God's name starting proclaiming the gospel message and declaring Christ their messiah, that would be a great sign. But I haven't seen that.
it's great to see that you are growing faster and faster with the insight of truth and knowledge. love to speed you up fast if I may. check out the book gateway of the gods, and on google video legend of atlantis dawn of the gods, then all five parts which are an hour long. what is christ? if you can answer that for me. I want the secret meaning of christ. second question is what are you? good luck my fellow brother trust those who r in search of truth, than one's who know truth. lol!
It will happen easily. A news article will appear statig that the mark of the beast will be enforced worldwide in x number of days, except for Iran. Therefore we go to Iran, where we are held captive until Jesus comes. Does not the Koran have a prophecy where their mahdi rides with Jesus? Therefore they will only detain us. The media has produced a lot of hype, so that this is the exact oppposite of what anyonen would think to do.
Phaedron777 2 months ago
The obvious question is why will there be a 2nd Exodus?
Jeremiah the Prophet was told that God would bring again the captivity (3rd slavery; Rev.13:10) of His people Israel and Judah to punish them for walking contrary to Him, His Will and His Ways and Covenants (read Jeremiah 30 (spec. v 3; restating Deuteronomy 28:68)). This "captivity" occurs during the time of "Jacob's Trouble" during the 42 months of Gentile (NWO) rule after WW3. The people are "delivered" when Dan 12:1 occurs.
themanningsjdsjjj 3 months ago
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themanningsjdsjjj 4 months ago
You are 100% percent correct. There will be a 2nd Exodus.
If only all the "Rapture" people could figure it out.
Have you figured out where Isaiah 33:16-17 is?
It is very important.
Also for all the Babylon questions, they have to first understand, there is more than one being talked about.
themanningsjdsjjj 4 months ago
1948
BartofGod 8 months ago
The second exodus has been fulfilled! Author Steven DeNoon reveals this incredible story in his book "Israel, Are They Still God's People" chapter 11 called Israel Returns. there are postings on the internet about this story and Dr James Dobson has also commented on this remarkable story in favor of DeNoon's research. google him you will be amazed at God's kindness in revealing this to him.
BenDeNoon 11 months ago
@BenDeNoon What? Dr. James Dobson is a Freemason! and works for satan like Billy Graham. The black people are the true Israelites not white people come on. Who are the slaves in Deut. 28 talking about? you are wrong on this. The pope (white pagan) sets up his rule in Israel and that is when you better have your sneakers on and know where to go if you are the most highs Ehyeh's.
mattandpatti222 9 months ago
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Why will America(daugther of Babylon) be destroyed?
Genesis 15:13-14 (King James Version) 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
The Ancient Israelites were never oppressed 400 yrs in Egypt even the book of Jasher agree.
KDLJohnson 1 year ago
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Why will America(daugther of Babylon) be destroyed?
Genesis 15:13-14 (King James Version) 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
The Ancient Israelites were never oppressed 400 yrs in Egypt even the book of Jasher agree.
KDLJohnson 1 year ago
Why will America(daugther of Babylon) be destroyed?
Genesis 15:13-14 (King James Version) 13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
The Ancient Israelites were never oppressed 400 yrs in Egypt even the book of Jasher agree.
KDLJohnson 1 year ago
@ richardperry2
@richardperry2 - So are u saying that Christ returns at the sixth seal and before the 1st trumpet? Let me tell you it will be very hard to interpret prophecy accurate without understanding who are the children of Israel. If u believe they are in Israel today then you've been decieved. Deut 28:15-68 fits only ONE group of people. Can you tell me truthfully by reading those verses and applying them to history what group of people they fit?
KDLJohnson 1 year ago
@richardperry2
If Babylon is destroyed on the 3rd seal, then why does the seventh vial pertain to Babylon's destruction?
Revelation 16:19 (King James Version) 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
KDLJohnson 1 year ago
@KDLJohnson - It says, "Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."
It was remembered. I should also point out that God's Wrath and His bowls come after His return.
richardperry2 1 year ago
@richardperry2 - So are u saying that Christ returns at the sixth seal and before the 1st trumpet? Let me tell you it will be very hard to interpret prophecy accurate without understanding who are the children of Israel. If u believe they are in Israel today then you've been decieved. Deut 28:15-68 fits only ONE group of people. Can you tell me truthfully by reading those verses and applying them to history what group of people they fit?
KDLJohnson 1 year ago
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@richardperry2 - So are u saying that Christ returns at the sixth seal and before the 1st trumpet? Let me tell you it will be very hard to interpret prophecy accurate without understanding who are the children of Israel. If u believe they are in Israel today then you've been decieved. Deut 28:15-68 fits only ONE group of people. Can you tell me truthfully by reading those verses and applying them to history what group of people they fit?
KDLJohnson 1 year ago
The first exodus was a fairy tale. The second one will most probably be too.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Modern archaeologists do not believe it because they do not believer or even desire to believe that a miracle occured. Their opinion has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with their Euro-centric, hyper-intellectualist paradigm.
David Wolpe like many proclaimed Jews today is a Jew by birth and not by any legitimate Jewish spirituality if we take the Torah at its word. His word is not credible, especially since Passover wasn't three weeks ago.
BrotherMurray 1 year ago
@BrotherMurray Archaeologists should believe in what they find, not in miracles..Their opinion is the closest to fact as you can get.. You don`t know David Wolpe and should not express any opinion about his beliefs or personality. The message is not from this Passover, but from last year. NOW shut up brother will ya ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
um.... this already happened.... pretty obvious ...
letmeseethat1 2 years ago
The first exodus is plain nonsense. The second one is pure speculation and scare mongering.
lizazoon 2 years ago
On Passover last Sunday, Rabbi David Wolpe raised that provocative question before 2,200 faithful at Sinai Temple in Westwood. He minced no words. "The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants
lizazoon 2 years ago
The "reed sea" theory has no findings. Archaeologists have found far more in the route which Moses claimed to have followed. The archaeologists that you're citing are making claims based on how they imagine the Exodus happened. Why? Because the facts point towards the miracle and the miracle is something they refuse to accept.
BrotherMurray 1 year ago
@BrotherMurray They found exactly NOTHING. Period. They have been looking for years to find something to justify the exodus. They found NOTHING.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@BrotherMurray: Indeed, scientists accept no miracles.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon Scientists accept no miracles? Yes they do, they just don't accept real, Biblical miracles. Scientists proclaim the 'truth' behind the big bang, despite the fact it violates two of the most important laws of physics, conservation of matter and energy.
BrotherMurray 1 year ago
@BrotherMurray And no, the big bang never happened. I was just simply pointing to the fact that scientists accept something which could in no way happen.
BrotherMurray 1 year ago
@BrotherMurray Stick to your bible brother. Science was apparently not your favorite subject in school.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon I don't have to be a genius to understand the basic laws of physics and to know that energy creating matter, as scientists believe it happened, is impossible.
BrotherMurray 1 year ago
@BrotherMurray We don`t have to be a genius to understand, that a clump of mud can`t come alive by blowing over it . I have no clou if they can ever be certain how it started, but the big-bang is the best hypothesis right now .Didn`t the cath. church learn a lesson with Galileo ? What he proposed was impossible, right ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
Amen
boltingpuppies 2 years ago
Wasn't the first Exodus when the Jews cam out of Egypt, and the second when Israel again became a nation?
ASeedSower234 2 years ago
America will be destroyed before the Antichrist appears
megaman2160 2 years ago
Actually, the Antichrist will rise first then the Destruction of End Time Babylon, then he confirms a covenant, proclaims he's God and the End.
See Revelation 17 and Daniel 8 and 11 where he defeats the mightest fortresses.
richardperry2 2 years ago
@megaman2160 Not will be.Is being.
RogVMax 1 year ago
@megaman2160 There is no antichrist. its just the office of pope.
Phaedron777 2 months ago
You are right.
This also means that Babylon shall be destroyed at the very end, not before.
Or, Babylon is destroyed before the very end and all Israelites will return from Europe (North,West), Asia (Sinim..), Africa (Ethiopia..), Australia (hmm, is it mentioned in the bible) where they have escaped.
keksinnot 2 years ago
The Second Exodus one thing, Leaving Babylon before its destruction is another.
The Destruction of End Time Babylon will occur at the 3rd Seal of Revelation the Second Exodus gathering at the 7th Seal.
richardperry2 2 years ago
The return from the Babylonian Captivity under the liberation, protection and sponsorship of the ONLY man that the prophet Isaiah calls "Messiah", Cyrus the Great of Persia, was the second "exodus".
You're looking for a 4th, given that the 3rd already happened in 1948.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
Iwannabejew, are you saying that Cyrus is the messiah of which Isaiah speaks? Sorry but I can not comprehend your comment as it looks to me to be a giant run-on sentence (no offense). However, if you are saying that, this could be an interesting discussion.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
There's nothing wrong with my punctuation.
Yes, Cyrus was the man of which Isaiah was speaking. Do bible-readers have the liberty to await some future fulfillment of Isaiah's use of the word "messiah"?
Sure. But don't neglect the literal meaning to pretend that it only refers to someone it wasn't.
There's no discussing it. It's a historical fact.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
Lets us Isaiah 9:6 just for the heck of it. Are you saying that Cyrus was...
-Born of a virgin?
-The Everlasting Father?
-The Mighty God?
-The one with an eternal throne?
-Was his name 'God with us'?
Given the fact that Cyrus' kingdom fell, given the fact that he was not born of a virgin, and especially considering the fact he ain't the Everlasting Father, I believe it is safe to say that your conclusion is erroneous.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Isaiah 9:6 is Hezekiah, and the word "messiah" isn't used, there. Isaiah uses the word in 45:1, "l'mashiacho l'koresh", "to His Messiah, to Koresh/Cyrus".
You think the whole prophecy of Isaiah is about one person? Oh, that's right. You're Christian. You think the whole BIBLE is about one person. I guess it really simplifies things for the dull-witted, doesn't it?
BTW, one of your early Church Fathers complained that Christians were ignorant for thinking that "Cyrus" in Greek = "Christ".
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
Hezekiah's throne was not eternal. Hezekiah was not born of a virgin. Hezekiah was not the mighty God, nor was he the everlasting Father.
And Martyr and Tertullian are called Latin Church Fathers for a reason- they are not the Fathers of the Biblical Church, but rather an abberation. In fact, Tertullian and Martyr are not even monotheists. To quote them when discussing the Bible is completely asinine.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Yeshua wasn't born of a virgin. The earliest "Christians", the Ebionites, didn't believe in the virgin birth narrative and possessed a Hebrew version of Matthew that didn't have it.
"The young woman" was a reference to either Isaiah's own woman or that of Ahaz. The sign was for the House of David, represented by Ahaz, not for gentiles ignorant of the Tanakh.
Don't talk to me like I don't know Early Christian History. You are descended from the Universal Church, whether you want to admit it.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
Actually, the Ebionites were not the earliest Christians. And concerning keeping the Law, you yourself do not. You don't do blood sacrifices, which are necessary to atone for sins. You don't have a temple which again is necessary to even keep the Law in the most basic sense.
And by the way, a young woman conceiving is not a sign. Its translated VIRGIN. And I like how you glossed over the attribution of the names Everlasting Father and mighty God.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
You somehow missed the quotation marks I used, just as you miss just about everything else about what the Tanakh is saying to its reader.
"Christian" just means "Messianic". The Ebionites/Evyonim certainly WERE the earliest "Messianics", because they had their roots in the Dead Sea Scrolls community, which pre-existed Yeshua's supposed ministry. The DSS yachad (community) refers to themselves as the Evyonim and their leader as the Evyon (Poor One).
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
Well noted is how you Bible-illiterate Christians always conveniently leave things out (important things, like the CONTEXT) in order to make your square-peg false messiah fit into the round hole of the prophesied messiah.
In this case, you leave out that the child's name was the sign, just as the name of Isaiah's children were signs.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
To argue for your interpretation, you have to basically blot out the words. "Everlasting Father" is pretty simple. "Mighty God" is pretty simple.
No, "Christian" actually means Christ-like or little Christ.
Your arguments can not stand given the definitions of the words you use, just as we see with Trinitarian arguments of three persons (the words 'persons' actually means 'beings, entities, or substance').
If you have to alter the meanings of words to fit your beliefs, you're in error.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
"Christianos" (Christian) is a noun, not an adjective, just as "chrestianos" was a noun referring to "gracious ones".
I don't know where you got your so-called education, but you should ask for a refund. If, however, you're self-taught, that would explain a great deal.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
I don't know about you, but 'Gracious ones' and 'messianic' are not the same word or phrase.
So, where is there any literal proof that James rejected Paul? Not some believers alluded to, but an actual epistle, letter, or anything from James. Can you provide one source? No. That division you speak of is a myth, a story, a lie, etc.
Actually, many of the Ebionites did believe in the Virgin birth. Its pretty well known. Moreover, there is no proof that the Ebionites were first.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
You can call me Bible illiterate all you want, but it does not change the contents of the Bible itself.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
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"You can call me Bible illiterate all you want, but it does not change the contents of the Bible itself."
Nor does it change your lack of comprehension or retention of those contents. You don't even know how your "Bible" (library) was formed, obviously.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
And concerning the Ebionites, whether they are or were the first Christians is NOT known. Many if not most accepted the virgin birth as it was prophesied.
You would like to propagate the belief that Paul and the Jewish Christian church were at odds, yet we have NO literary proof, no epistles written by Peter censuring Paul. For the leader of the church in Jerusalem to be silent on what would be the biggest Apostate in the world is quite ASININE. For Paul to do the same is against his nature.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
The Evyonim pre-existed Yeshua's supposed lifetime. They were Messianic (the translation of "Christian") and they certainly DID NOT believe in the Virgin Birth, Yeshua's "Divinity", of Paul the Liar's antinomian doctrines. Your statement that "most" of them MIGHT have believed in the Virgin Birth is a LIE. YOU are a LIAR.
Peter wasn't the leader in Jerusalem. James was! "Peter" was nothing but a literary vehicle to lend authority to Paul's antinomian teachings. His real name was Simon.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but you are an ignoramus as respects even your own religion.
I suggest you take a decade to read the source texts of the period: the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Pseudepigrapha, Flavius Josephus, and the Mishnah. I think you're going to need the full ten years before you start getting a clue.
I'm through trying to provide you one.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
Obviously, you aren't educated enough in the Torah to know that a poor man who can't afford a bird for an offering may instead offer grain. Does wheat or barley BLEED?
If the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of the sacrifices there was the reason for "Christ's" death, then what was the reason during the 37 years before the Temple's destruction?
It's translated "virgin" because Christians NEED it to be translated that way, to cover their mistake!
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
You can not provide one ounce of fact or scripture to prove your interpretation of Isaiah 9:6. You can insult me tho, which you are quite adept at doing.
And by the Torah's standards, are you poor? When is the last time you payed an actual LEVITE in Barley? With no temple, you can't keep the Law.
And Christianity by no means needed the temple to be destroyed to verify the Messiah as the Law is only a school master. Your faith is composed of the Law, which you can't even keep.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Do you understand Psalm 23 now?
There is a Rebecca St. James song about this, based off of Isaiah, my favorite phrase is "Do you not know, have you not heard, We Will Soar, Like Eagles!"
wayisnarrow 2 years ago
The system of Satan and his False Religious oder will be Crushed in this earth and Great Babylon will be known for who she really was! The Antichrist order that enslaves and Murders the Saints will once and for all be put Down as with all those who bare his Mark!
Brother563 2 years ago
I guess that would be a sign of all signs. If those who are called by God's name starting proclaiming the gospel message and declaring Christ their messiah, that would be a great sign. But I haven't seen that.
nyjbarnes 2 years ago
it's great to see that you are growing faster and faster with the insight of truth and knowledge. love to speed you up fast if I may. check out the book gateway of the gods, and on google video legend of atlantis dawn of the gods, then all five parts which are an hour long. what is christ? if you can answer that for me. I want the secret meaning of christ. second question is what are you? good luck my fellow brother trust those who r in search of truth, than one's who know truth. lol!
GN1A1G 2 years ago
i cant really hear this? you need to turn the volume up on your videos
megaman2160 2 years ago