"One Nation Under Lee" Screening Pt 1

[dextroify]

Revolution! get up stand up stand for your rights!

[wolfglare]

Our Singapore does not belong to the lee & lee family how can one family hold on to power for so long almost 50 years....before we know it they will become the royal family of Singapore are we going to let them rule us for another 50 years

[alyuful]

pap is very dangerous to singaporeans with their pap abuses....

[JansenCassidy]

End the one familee rule in Singapore.

[wteo340]

Look at that fucking shirt mann.. can't it say something to the effect of Singapore Must Change or ilLEEgalize Lee or something. No one in that room is wearing that shirt you know why? Because it fucking makes you look nothing more than a whiner, that's why

[jo0770]

unbelievable!



[alyuful]

is there no more privacy in singapore? are these people from censorship board out of their minds claiming they are the ones who decide what justice is all about in si ngapore? what right do they have to ask anyone to surrender their private videos viewed in private?

this videos confirms the police state of singapore and that there enough running dogs to do the biddings of the master dog.

shows how sick singapore authorities can be.......

[hallwy3]

at his age, is  mm lky tested for his mental health for his high salaried job like all aged american presidents?

this video shows the paranoid society that lky has built with his power crazy and high-handed psychotic bureaucrats.

the racial composition of the investigating officials in this video and the threats of police actions are used and politicised when opposition parties are involved in investigations in the police state.

YES,YES YES

screen the singapore realities in YOUTUBE!

[BornWildz]

the fella laughing from 5:46....wth .... u think this is a joke ??

[duperman172]

Why is it called "private screening" if they need to ask permission.This does not make sense

[chakdesavin]

if i were there i willdefinately wack the guy holding the camer. he is a fucking gay.

[idunnosia]

singaporeans have to stop talking and start fighting if thats the only way we can get the message thru their numb skulls

[musaaaaaaa]

guys..get a room man

[yuklun]

freedom of speech never exists in singapore. They tried..we tried... a place for total. state, control by Lee, gaining taxes, setting up casinos, they earn money like a business....stirring up the state, creating internal chaos.. etc.

[NearlyNubile]

Funny. I have had no problem with freedom of expressing anything. It's when you wish to make a grandstanding statement of "freedom" that you run into issues. In *any* country, my friend. Including the US.

[hotshibuya]

Utterly disgusting!!! What a police state my home-country had became...

When can the bastard lky die???????

[joos0202]

Singapore is not China, Hong Kong or Taiwan. "华人经济发展，靠的是华人的勤劳和智慧?" Your Chinese chauvinistic view of how Singapore is governed shows that you have no respect for the other cultures and races in Singapore. You're either a new immigrant hiding behind your keyboard politics or you're no Singaporean to begin with.

[chiefboy]

your claims are based on nothing but your ego spawned by your beliving that you are intellectually superior to others.

wise up conformist, because progress comes from skeptism. if you were so "smart" as to rebut everyone who voices their doubts, then i would say that you are truly dumb, or to quote your remarkable comeback on my channel, a "Stupid ass".

[joos0202]

Progress comes from incrementalism through experiences, skepticism is just a thought progress. What are you trying to prove by making such generalization as calling others "conformist"? What kind of policy making experiences that you've contributed to even give you the rights to judge others? You're truly a stupid ass!

[chiefboy]

Your progress you mention, unfortunately, points in the wrong direction. Are you telling me that our society that we live in today is perfect?

Incrementalism through experience is pointless without a correct direction.

What we truly need is healthy skepticism to shift "progress" into the right direction. The stupid ass is the one who will discredit skepticism.

[joos0202]

"Incrementalism through experience is pointless without a correct direction."

Incremental changes are evident from urban planing (Master plan and DGPs), IT (information Road map), Health care and eduction (Library 2010). Just some of the thousands of successes in incremental changes. What's wrong with them?

Are you too stupid and dumb that you don't know how to explain yourself beyond making such useless accusations. Or are you just blindly trying to follow the rules of SDP? Stupid.

[joos0202]

Hey Stupid, still on 'skeptism'? A 'skeptic' who fails to articulate his points or act out his ideas are just shooting blanks. That is is how a cynic works, he believes he is skeptical but in actual fact he waste his life because of his scornful outlooks. And you know what they said about the cynic? Nobody would listen to one. A good example of such a representative: Chee Soon Juan and his sdp.

[joos0202]

Stupid ass a.k.a chiefboy, the part about the skeptic? It's not you. You are not a skeptic, you are just plain dumb.

[chiefboy]

calling me plain dumb/stupid is just as good as me calling you a conformist. you degrade yourself then.

it is not wrong to call pap's policies controversial.

obviously trying to hard to prove that i'm always wrong, trying too hard to prove that you are right.

if you cast doubt on every thing i say, you're a cynic yourself.

[joos0202]

What kind of dumb ass will draw a parallel between "being dumb/stupid" and "being a conformist"? You have just discredit yourself again. Stupid ass.

[chiefboy]

Why?

are you lamenting because i just opened a can of whoop ass all over you?

you don't have to try, i win, you lose.

I won't even touch on your arguments, they're those even a 3 year old can make, and an utter waste of my time.

You've got nothing to prove to me, i don't represent SDP. You are the "stupid ass" for wasting time on me.

Oh and check your grammar, interestingly you might find it quite similar to that of little kids. Besides, your mind functions exactly like that of one.

[joos0202]

Of course you win, they have been conferring the title of ultimate stupidity on you since your preschool days, which was like what? 2 years ago? Don't worry no one would fight you on that. Of this HONOR, you've won big time. Stupid ass.

[chiefboy]

I'm not surprised you ignored whatever I said and continued on with your rant on stupidity. It shows a sheer lack of ability to comprehend on your part.

After all, you are the epitome of stupidity. please, you bestow your own attributes onto myself too readily, I am undeserving.

[joos0202]

You dont get it do you? If you have been more lucid and less irrelevant, this entire argument would not have been evolved into a showcase of your stupidity. Your contradictions and lack of coherence in thoughts and intelligence are your downfall. If you want to win, make sure you know what you are achieving. Instead of copying directly from some comic book scripts, use your brain for once. Pathetic dumb loser.

[chiefboy]

There, again we see a repeat of what I've just mentioned.

Tsk tsk, you never learn do you?

Oh, and yes, I win.

[joos0202]

Run out of copying materials? You can always leech on what I said about you, at least now you are copying from a master instead of some cheap comic scripts.

Don't fret, the title of ultimate stupidity is still yours. Few more of such remarks and you may even be the winner of the stupidest dumb ass under a single Utube channel.

Pathetic dumb ass of a copycat.

[chiefboy]

provincial of you to call me a "copy cat", when i'm merely redirecting a misguided truth.

i wouldn't blame you though- only little kids use terms like "copycat". i've been deliberately making nonsensical remaks for the past few replies. its amusing how you even bother to reply to them. it shows how mature you really are.

yes, i enjoy irking you, the little peevish kid who can't take it lying down.

[joos0202]

Don't worry I'm enjoying every bits of your nonsense self. Especially when you you are so ready to lap up to what I said with the most irrelevant terms for retorts. It would be more fun if you've any intelligence or imagination to go with them. I guess I will just have to go with the inferior copying stuff you produce for the time being. Stupid ass.

[joos0202]

"redirecting a misguided truth."

That is hilarious. You have shown you are incapable of any points of views, what truth? Until now you still haven't explain your stand regarding the video. So you are here to be called dumb? Dumb ass.

[chiefboy]

im not here for the video. i'm only here to reply to you.

[chiefboy]

i don't support the SDP- i'm not a politics fanatic like you are. i don't need to resort to personal insults to get my point across- obviously we know who is the one lacking in intelligence here, substituting his "arguments" with vitriolic comments. how barbaric.

you need to rethink your life.

OWNED.

[joos0202]

"i don't need to resort to personal insults to get my point across-"?????

You came to my profile page and left unexplained terms like "your mother" and "conformist", totally unprovoked and clearly meant to be insults. In fact, you have put new twists to "personal insults" which have just backfire right into your face. Ironic, yes not controversial. Get it???

What the matter? Too stupid to leave the backdoor open. Stupid ass.

[joos0202]

What I just did are just pure sarcasm and nothing else. You provoked this argument but couldn't finish it with half an ounce of wit and decided to cry foul. Your comments are filled with inappropriate terms like, "controversial", "vitriolic", "barbaric". My guess is you googled these without truly understand their meanings. Pathetic and dumb.

[chiefboy]

The party you support promotes "democracy".

Don't I then reserve every right to call you a conformist?

Oh..i forgot i cannot, because there is limited freedom of speech in our "democratic" nation.

Controversial isn't it, this very party you support?

One more thing, I thought i'd point out - it's "You truly are a stupid ass".

I believe we know who the stupid ass is now. Hahaha.

[joos0202]

'The party you support promotes "democracy".

Don't I then reserve every right to call you a conformist?...'

A sarcasm has to be executed with finesse to be effective. Looking at your juvenile attempt to produce one, I suggest in between your nappy change, get "your mother" to advance education. It's time to join your playmates. At least now they are learning how to crawl. What more? Given time, you may learn how to make sense from that big gap on your face too. Stupid.

[joos0202]

"Oh..i forgot i cannot, because there is limited freedom of speech in our "democratic" nation.

Controversial isn't it, this very party you support?"

The term to use here is "ironic" not "Controversial". Google for both terms if you do not understand their usages and meanings. I would suggest a good old fashion dictionary but this is not suitable for a stupid ass as in this case.

[sgcommoner]

Yes, a political propaganda is different from a wedding dinner.

But why so anxoius when it's a political video?

It would not be surprising if these staunch defenders turn out to be part of "PAP internet brigade".

Shameless. Disgusting.

[joos0202]

It is political and it is not impartial. I do not know if those who defended the mda have watched it or not. Maybe they are simply disgusted by the SDP attitudes towards juniors officers. And to call others "PAP internet brigade" just because they've differing political stands from yours just goes to show your immaturity level here.

[sgcommoner]

the video merely states facts, eg. the media control, fact that SPH and MediaCorp are govt-controlled, that oppostition members have been and are still being supressed by the PAP, etc. Now who's the one who has not watched the video?

[joos0202]

Doesn't it bother anyone that the 2 current opposition MPs' views are totally omitted in "One Nation"? It is jolly well to argue for the need of different views as and when it suits the sdp. There is nothing balance abt "One Nation". It is a political propaganda from the sdp perspective.

[joos0202]

"oppostition members have been and are still being suppressed by the PAP". The self-appointed representative of all opposition parties in SDP decided that our current Opposition MPs views don't count. In parliament, we see their debates on tv. How are they being suppressed?

[joos0202]

SPH is a listed company. Meaning anyone can become shareholders unlike many western medias that are owned by private individuals. What so discriminating about that fact? If there is impropriety, then charge and sue these entities. The problem is sdp has no evidences. All there is are insinuations.

[sgcommoner]

It "might have been illegal", yes.

But what's with the profuse defence below of this kind of enforcement which infringes on the constitutional right to freedom of expression?

Violation of the Constitution is itself illegal.

[joos0202]

The law applies to all. Isn't that what Constitutional rights are all about: Equal treatment for everyone? The Film Act is a piece of legislation that applies in this case and the mda pple are there to do just that. What God given right does the SDP has to override it? Not commercial film? Then why charged for the viewing?

[sgcommoner]

The law has been unfair to the SDP obviously. PAP contesting politicians were seen in a polling station during election time. No contesting politician is supposed to be within a radius from such a station. Yet our court defended the PAP.

[joos0202]

In the station or how far from the station? Which law? Since we're at it, sdp might as well give us ur answers. I think many of us would like to examine this bit of info for ourselves.

[spirawase]

lol at idiots trying to compare wedding dinner videos to political propaganda video.

poor MDA representative.

shame on the SDP. disgusting.

[ttlglass]

The way the SDP acted in the video is nothing short of disgraceful. Why heckle some poor junior censorship board officials? Think it drives home a point? Or did the play into the hands of the authorities (again!) - and these are "intelligent & well-educated" opposition members? Well spoken at least, but IMHO not at all politically savvy. Or mature, for that matter.

[eurobear]

at 3:12 "Can.. Can we have the fee-lem title that is screeing right now?" hahhahahaha... what sort of english is this for a civil servant? hhahhahahaa...

[joos0202]

Movies shown in the cinema have to go through mda for classifications under the Film Act. I will think that if you need to pay to attend a viewing of a movie, it should not be considered a private event, definitely not the same as weddings. If we pay to see shows in cinemas and the films have to go through classifications through mds, what made this particular movie exceptional? If you argue that it is by invitations only, so are movie premieres.

[joos0202]

To me the mda pple are just doing their job. If you can accept classifications of movies in cinemas why not in this case?

[walkonthewildside78]

THE EXPATS SHOULD BE NICE TO SINGAPOREANS. I love my Chinese, Malay and Indian brothers and sisters. Unfortunately, the 'white' expats spit on all of us. Hey expats, you guys can live in S'pore...no prob...but be nice to us asians. I mean it. I'm fine with oppositions and PAP, but I can NO longer take the expats. WHITEs, be nice to us. Please. If not, there might be a riot. This is no longer the 1900s where you 'whites' are colonial animals. Leave the Chinese, Malay and Indians alone. RESPECT

[generalkim1234]

like your attitude...you believe in racial harmony too..best of luck

[winstoncheng]

Please don't give that crap `just doing their job lah'. Can a runner for a loanshark say the same?

[curiousboy]

The runner for a loanshark is doing an illegal job. U're not making the same comparison.

[yanboa]

so anybody who comes in and molds the law to their advantage is in the clear ? :)

[curiousboy]

Depends on how u mould it.

[yanboa]

wow, you made that comment more than a month ago, i reply, and you reply back within a few minutes? Are you really a person, or just an "organization"? :) Anyways !

[curiousboy]

Everyone, go and read this informative, non-biased forum :

h t t p :/ /groups . yahoo . com/group/Sg_Review/message/47­47

change the last 4 digit of the link above to other numbers for other posts

numbers are: 2480, 4742, 4717, 4678, 4688, 4677, 4676, 4665, 4664, 4637, 4610 etc..

there are many other issues but i guess these are enough for now.

[gincu]

@4.08mins, when asked by SDP members on obection of the contents of the film, she admitted on not knowing the contents??!!! How ironic can that be? If MDA do not know what is the contents, then on what grounds do they reject it?

[curiousboy]

The MDA has not seen the film to know it totally but obviously they've been tipped off abt it's rough contents.

[gincu]

And that shows we are in an undemocratic society where we, d ppl, have no rights to clarify our views on the govt. That is just like under a dictatorial state. But for once, I agree on your reasons for NS.

[curiousboy]

This society is not totally undemocratic becos ppl are allowed to vote.

But there are a few undemocratic situations and rules which I've put out a few already.

[enikisser]

And also they were way off duty hours.

[curiousboy]

After watching this video and listening to their court proceedings, the SDP seems more concerned with their personal agenda of fair campaigning rather than coming up with better policies for the sg ppl.

[curiousboy]

Seriously, who wud care abt the past history of Singapore? They are more concerned with the current state of the country and it's economy. The only thing they wanna change are SOME regulations they feel uncomfortable.

[gincu]

Now I know that you are still a boy, not yet a man. You do not know the difference of right and wrong. Ask your parents, do they like the goverment? How's the pain is like?

[curiousboy]

Wat pain are u talking abt? Healthcare is taken care of, there are no riots, the society is peaceful and economy is strong.. this is wat people really want. They are not interested in public demonstrations which have a high chance of rioting due to ppl's emotions.

[gincu]

The pain of struggling economically, financially and especially emotionally? Are you married? Do you have a family? or do you have a job? does it secure you right to the end? Do you pay taxes? Do you know where do taxpayers money go to? Ask yourself, If you do not have the answer, then ask around...

[curiousboy]

Struggling economically, finanacially and emotionally is what everyone in the world faces... tell me who doesn't?

Job security is the same for everyone else in a free market economy unless it's a communist state of the past..

Taxpayers money are used to invest by the govt overseas and etc. I feel it's a necessary move to sustain the economic strength and reserves of this nation totally dependent only on human capital.

[kstarmd]

the truth is that the govt is brutally pragmatic.

they are willing to do anything to achieve goals, even when it's morally questionable.

[curiousboy]

U need to provide some facts with ur accusations.. wat are morally questionable?

I only think SOME of their policies need review/changes.

[gincu]

Are you very sure about that? I think you were brought up in a family of selfish, corrupted Singaporeans who don't know what is freedom and democracy. Who only knows MONEY!!! GREEDY PIGS!!

[curiousboy]

One of the most undemocratic and biased thing i feel is NS. Cos it absolutely serves only the country's interests and not the individual.

[1XMarksSpot]

@curiousboy It's NS. Of course it serves only the country's interests and not the individual. That's a given and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. What I do have a problem with is that it is mandatory. Whether to serve in the military should be voluntary and a personal decision. If Singaporeans are forced to serve, I don't think they'll be as effective in battle because of being of poor government treatment.

Greetings from the US :)

[curiousboy]

@1XMarksSpot

If it's not mandatory no one in the right mind will do it.

That's why it is termed as National service ... servicing the nation.

Forced to serve = poor govt treatment ? where's the relationship in that?

[1XMarksSpot]

@curiousboy "Forced" to serve. Anything that is "forced" is poor treatment.

"No on in their right mind would do it"  Tell that to the patriotic people in every country.

[behindeverything]

There is a link. She's firstly suggesting that the authorities are being hypocritical in accepting private video screenings (like in weddings in private parties) without the need for censorship procedures, and yet picking on them in this situation. Secondly, she's trying to dig the truth out of the lying MDA officer - that the MDA is picking on them not because of the censorship issue itself, but because of the 'sensitivity' of their video content.

[gincu]

I think you have a very low IQ. What they are refering to is about the approval by MDA. You see, if there is a wedding dinner going on, and the video(usually played by the couples-if u r married, u might understand)is rolling without the MDA license, will they crash it too?You see the law is that you need license to screen it to publicly to large crowds, even if it is a private affair like a wedding dinner..get it??

[curiousboy]

This video is anti-govt. different from a wedding dinner video, tt's why MDA came to take it. wat's so hard to understand abt this?

[jruzz]

do u need the MDA to pamper ur ass everytime?...why?..Singaporean has the RIGHTS to see wat they want to see their humans..humans that are being thought-controlled...mda aint got shit on these pple who just wanna put out the truth! and muthafckas who gets blind and doesnt want to see the truth are nothing better than shitholes

[curiousboy]

This video shows the facts in front but is a bit biased towards the end for the party's personal agenda, not for the ppl's agenda.

And the MDA ppl are jus carrying out their orders to take the video.. don't blame them too much la...

[LookMaNoBrains]

SDP inside got spy la, anything they do are reported directly to PAP de.

[seeweetee]

Surprised that the MDA folks were not quick enough to react with the various arguements, notably the one on the "wedding dinner", which is an obvious diversion. The law applies when the technicalities are involved but we should also look at the broad context to avoid unnecessary time and resources wastage.

[obededom]

The SDP people are real cocky i gotta say..i wouldn't want them to govern my country! They kept saying about wedding dinners,but is it a wedding dinner?no? but i gotta say the MDA people are simply not shrewd enough to handle such cocky people/weidos.

[vandomVenom]

Use your brains, they are trying to tell the truth to the people! So if the government lies to you your okay about it? And someone try telling the truth through a legal way is wrong? your obviously bias

[spacetourist2007]

hahaha... Sadly, these officers are not equiped to handle the scenarios. The lady and the ohers are probably more exposed to 'harassment' and better prepared.

[sheepie010900]

This is ridiculous... if social security was the issue, then there wouldn't be any private functions or screenings. MDA might as well just start going from functions to functions stopping everyone!

[sanguofan]

i'm just saying that basically politics evolved into democracy so that people's rights are taken care of..maybe trying to win the people's trust wld b a better way to start off by showing ur own qualities as a party..rather than discrediting ur opponents

[sanguofan]

i think the opposition..especially sdp needs to realign their own strategies..being the opposition shld be abt helping to fine tune the political system in the country and contribute..not making a nuisance of themselves..some of their acts if u let them remain might cause more problems for their own image rather than fighting for the people..it seems that over the years they're on the road of avenging their own "wrongs"..they probably cld learn a bit from Anwar and his coalition

[razgriz90]

Yes indeed, this film is rather educational and gives an alternate perspective to what really happened in Singapore instead of that one sided version we get from history textbooks. And what armyboy24 said is correct, they're twisting the law in a way that the Chees are breaking it, in directly. It's a so called "threat to internal security" i think

[armyboy24]

Well, put it another view, if let's say if the video being shown in the private screening, involves contents (e.g: terrorism-related) that would be a major security threat to Singapore, would the MDA & police be allowed to barge in and investigate? Of cuz, how would the MDA know the contents? Precisely becuz they dunno e content, that's why they requested the person in charge to let them in to investigate. As usual, the Chees just enjoy being the clowns of Singapore, just second to Steven Lim.

[BejingDuck]

That's insane... do you need to submit what u want to view in the private party....?? lots ppl are doing presentation in party and i believe that ppl don't need to ask permission...

[guards83]

MDA another bunch of gov't dogs..

[MichaelWithstand]

@guards83 every institution is govt dogs every official is govt dog.

old lee kuan yew is destroying Singapore.

[reextreem]

these guys seems to be selling a lot of 'merchandize' in a so called 'private' event. seriously, grow up people, these people just want to make quick money. idiots.

[royotto1]

I'm sure they they will make a fortune selling that stuff. Very funny.

[jaysonang]

this video, indeed educates/informs us (mostly the Gen Ys) on the political arena/issues in Singapore.

That aside, with the Internet and inherent power of viral distribution of content online. Controlling the mainstream media will soon no longer be feasible.

[Bagsy41]

As a person who had admired Singapore for many years following my first visit there in 1971 I have become totally disillusioned by the draconian laws enacted and applied by the Singapore PAP Government that inhibit what would be regarded as very mild dissidence to the ruling powers in democracies. If I was in Singapore and conducted a private screening of such a DVD in my hotel room to invited guests, would the MDA and police invade my room?

[joos0202]

Would it be a private screening if you have to pay for it? What so draconian about screening videos for classifications which is what mda do? It seems to me sdp intention is to show the video to pple who are not just personal friends and relatives. Shouldn't the video in questions be treated like commercial films then?

[tskuan32]

I just think that we are going on a slow transition towards democracy. Of cos in this instance it kinda looked like a step backward. until the lee dynasty is over and some good opposition comes along, i dont tink most of us could survive without a govt tellin us wat to do when PAP disappear overnight. anybody tot tis could very well be a ploy of the opposition to attract attention, dey could hv ratted on themselves n put up a show if u noe wat im toking about.

[dazzawong74]

Fuck1n6 cheebye MDA, my blood is boiling watching those fu3kers! We must stand up and be counted agst these cronies. Grow up Singapore We need to mature! "Obstructing justice" LOL or she meant objecting PAP??

[hansel25]

I love how logical the lady told off the MDA. But the people at the screening were more focused on eating than the video!

[teasapop]

I really hope that LKY gets a stroke on nomination day for 2011 elections... i dont want him to die... i want him to lee his party fall in his lifetime.

[hotshibuya]

what a loser LKY... this is a terrible shame to the international eyes!!

[arare666]

Also the t-shirt is horrible.

[qoojiao]

mass orgy of idiocracy. that woman, she should be tasered. she's absolutely berserk!

[arare666]

You all lousy!

The LEES FOREVER.

They make this country awesome and you all say he corrupt.

BLUFF ONLY.

You all jealous ,want his money only.bastards mother sun of coconut.

But its ok,you all will NEVER win. LEE FOREVER . PAP IN MY BLOOD

[Tanahwei]

stick and stones will break my bones, words will never hurt me.