So, let's just start declaring we can raise the dead and eventually we will be able to, if we believe hard enough. Let's lie our faces off and insist it is ungodly to doubt us. That's the ticket.
Jack is suffering from needing/wanting to be taken seriously....yet not understanding the philisophical points he is trying to make. He tries to use certain tidbits he has picked up from some of his YT atheist friends (like the limitations of language and core beliefs). Instead of fully understanding these concepts...he uses them as weapons to stop the discussion when he gets cornered. He doesn't integrate them into his thinking. Rather, he selectively uses these concepts only when cornered
When I heard the statement that the dead could be raised. I didn't immediately come to the conclusion that she was nuts. Instead, I thought of any knowledge I knew of. That would actually support what they were saying. I couldn't think of anything. Though its the why they believe what they believe. More than the actual belief itself that interests me.
@lanceknightmare "...statement that the dead could be raised. I didn't immediately come to the conclusion that she was nuts."
Check the underbar for the links labeled "I WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD" and "Raised From The Dead & Healed After Being Shot 5 Times!!" Do you think they're nuts right off the bat?
@zarkoff45 Just the fact you identified what he was attempting to do. I would have just chalked it up to him being weird and babbling. Seriously very engaging train of logic and insight.
This is like watching a first year undergraduate student trying to work out semiotics for the first time. I'd suggest Jack read a bit of Roland Bartes, Umberto Ecco and Saussure, though I doubt he'd understand them.
@mrgodbehere "a first year undergraduate student trying to work out semiotics for the first time."
Well, Christian semiotics do seem to be radically different than atheist semiotics -- ever watch a debate between William Lane Craig and an atheist? Craig always thinks he has won and no one can figure out why he thinks that.
I bet they actually do teach a different semiotics at Christian universities.
Such an exhaustive, well thought over and well documented response to Togetherforpeace's sorry response to dprjones' excellent video!
He completely overlooks (or he doesn't know) the long duration of time through which we have evolved, biologically and socially, on the basis of that reality, that he doubts so much. The irony is that evolution itself hasn't equipped us with the intuition of such a long duration, all the generations which adapted and changed. Sokal and Maslow's Hierarchy! Kudos
@FluidDeconstructor "he is incredibly dumb, obtuse, obstinate and dishonest." I am inclined, lately, to agree with you. He said in a video "No argument could make me change my mind about god", or something like that, which confirms your characterization of him.
That's what I meant, this was explained hundreds of times to him in many different ways. He is dumb, obtuse, obstinate and dishonest. Many already gave up addressing anything he says because of this..
beautiful video. I like everything you did in this video. Its a nice piece of work. Even from both points of views in which I often find myself it really opens up thought. Mad props...oh and yeah a total fan of the twilight zone. I don't feel I need to agree or disagree here as you put forth some interesting stuff on the table. Its a rare thing to see a video like this even though it holds a point of view I didn't find it at all dogmatic. Then again thats just my opinion.
Jack's one trick pony is language. He will bough you down in defining things like "reality" "existence" or "rational". Then he will play the hypocrisy card, and claim "Since there is no god, you have no grounds to care what other believe. Without god language, values, and meaning become things you fabricate."
Very well done. It is truely sad to see how many delusional people there are and the level of their delusions. Keep up the good work.
TheRenekruse 6 months ago
So, let's just start declaring we can raise the dead and eventually we will be able to, if we believe hard enough. Let's lie our faces off and insist it is ungodly to doubt us. That's the ticket.
MacNutz2 8 months ago
Jack is nothing but a forked tongued dissembling half-wit.
Great vid!
MrTruthAddict 8 months ago
Jack; Imagination is one hell of a drug!
MexxPowers 8 months ago
Jack is suffering from needing/wanting to be taken seriously....yet not understanding the philisophical points he is trying to make. He tries to use certain tidbits he has picked up from some of his YT atheist friends (like the limitations of language and core beliefs). Instead of fully understanding these concepts...he uses them as weapons to stop the discussion when he gets cornered. He doesn't integrate them into his thinking. Rather, he selectively uses these concepts only when cornered
MrJmm999 8 months ago
this is an excellent video sir.
devchelle2 8 months ago
Nobody is 100% Hypocrisy free. However, some of us are freer than others.
Rod Serling is prolly singing in his grave. Excellent video.
alowlyapprentice 9 months ago
When I heard the statement that the dead could be raised. I didn't immediately come to the conclusion that she was nuts. Instead, I thought of any knowledge I knew of. That would actually support what they were saying. I couldn't think of anything. Though its the why they believe what they believe. More than the actual belief itself that interests me.
lanceknightmare 9 months ago
@lanceknightmare "...statement that the dead could be raised. I didn't immediately come to the conclusion that she was nuts."
Check the underbar for the links labeled "I WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD" and "Raised From The Dead & Healed After Being Shot 5 Times!!" Do you think they're nuts right off the bat?
zarkoff45 9 months ago
This is one of my most favorite atheist videos in a long long time.
xxxild 9 months ago
@xxxild
Thanks. That seems like a hell of a compliment.
zarkoff45 9 months ago
@zarkoff45 Just the fact you identified what he was attempting to do. I would have just chalked it up to him being weird and babbling. Seriously very engaging train of logic and insight.
xxxild 9 months ago
If declaring something makes real that which one can come into, one wonders why most jocks haven't just started declaring pussy?
integralmath 9 months ago
PEACE!
thesunshon 9 months ago
Christ almighty and his balls of stinking cheese!
This is like watching a first year undergraduate student trying to work out semiotics for the first time. I'd suggest Jack read a bit of Roland Bartes, Umberto Ecco and Saussure, though I doubt he'd understand them.
mrgodbehere 9 months ago
@mrgodbehere "a first year undergraduate student trying to work out semiotics for the first time."
Well, Christian semiotics do seem to be radically different than atheist semiotics -- ever watch a debate between William Lane Craig and an atheist? Craig always thinks he has won and no one can figure out why he thinks that.
I bet they actually do teach a different semiotics at Christian universities.
zarkoff45 9 months ago
He doesn't seem to know the purpose of words ^_^
PinkProgram 9 months ago
Great vid, zarkoff
SiriusMined 9 months ago
a very good video.
apostolllus 9 months ago
*Thumbs up* I usually like Jack but he can make some piss poor arguments sometimes.
YesIamJames 9 months ago
Such an exhaustive, well thought over and well documented response to Togetherforpeace's sorry response to dprjones' excellent video!
He completely overlooks (or he doesn't know) the long duration of time through which we have evolved, biologically and socially, on the basis of that reality, that he doubts so much. The irony is that evolution itself hasn't equipped us with the intuition of such a long duration, all the generations which adapted and changed. Sokal and Maslow's Hierarchy! Kudos
dewinthemorning 9 months ago 2
Fucking words...how do they work? ;-)
wimsweden 9 months ago 7
@wimsweden "words...how do they work? ;-)"
Like magnets. The words go in, the words go out, never a miscommunication. You can't explain that:
watch?v=9WtL8Jbl6vw
zarkoff45 9 months ago 2
What an excellent video response :)
mousegeek 9 months ago
Jesus fucking christ, that TogetherForPeace guy is dumb beyond belief!
Why do people keep responding to him, he is incredibly dumb, obtuse, obstinate and dishonest.
FluidDeconstructor 9 months ago 7
@FluidDeconstructor "he is incredibly dumb, obtuse, obstinate and dishonest." I am inclined, lately, to agree with you. He said in a video "No argument could make me change my mind about god", or something like that, which confirms your characterization of him.
dewinthemorning 9 months ago 2
Great video. If Jack actually watched the entire video (which I doubt), and still doesn't get it, he never will.
TheNakedAtheist 9 months ago 3
@TheNakedAtheist
That's what I meant, this was explained hundreds of times to him in many different ways. He is dumb, obtuse, obstinate and dishonest. Many already gave up addressing anything he says because of this..
FluidDeconstructor 9 months ago 3
beautiful video. I like everything you did in this video. Its a nice piece of work. Even from both points of views in which I often find myself it really opens up thought. Mad props...oh and yeah a total fan of the twilight zone. I don't feel I need to agree or disagree here as you put forth some interesting stuff on the table. Its a rare thing to see a video like this even though it holds a point of view I didn't find it at all dogmatic. Then again thats just my opinion.
Unworshipediety 9 months ago
wow, Jack said because we both speak and use words, that makes us both Religious... Wow... Just wow...
Jack has such a messed up use of logic...
mrx0066600 9 months ago 2
Jack's one trick pony is language. He will bough you down in defining things like "reality" "existence" or "rational". Then he will play the hypocrisy card, and claim "Since there is no god, you have no grounds to care what other believe. Without god language, values, and meaning become things you fabricate."
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin Lol true.
fruitikay 9 months ago
@fruitikay
No, that isn't funny. It is sad. He is predictable.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
lovely combination of music and black & white video :)
TogetherForPeace 9 months ago
@TogetherForPeace
Thank you.
zarkoff45 9 months ago 2
@zarkoff45 YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH DPRJONES IS A SAINT
fishbone937 9 months ago
@TogetherForPeace Is that the only remark you can make on that video?
dewinthemorning 9 months ago