SHE was rude criticising his former wife and current wife. Who wouldn't react. Certainly Mark E. Smith. The point is she knew his track record he has never been given over to the 'celebrity sell my soul' lifestyle.. She could have ditched the overbearing "I'm Miss Popular right now" routine. He's seen her sort come and go over 35 years.
I've gotta hand it to Lauren. She stays really composed and level-headed right throughout this awkward interview. MES is a rude, surly prick how anyone can have the patience to deal with this sad old punk is beyond me. Some think it's clever, artistic or cool to be like this when it's really just a sign of insecurity.
'I've heard it's a fantastic record' - and that's why the interview failed. If you want an easier ride from someone like MES, at least make it sound as though you've bothered to listen to his work. Nearly all of LL's questions are designed for cheap laughs, until at the end she tries to bring it round with 'so what you listening to at the moment?' Too late.
I dont think he is a twat,how else are you supposed to answer the questions.I think people get unerved because he talks how a 50 year old man would talk to anyone else.
Smith isnt a twat at all. The twats are the people who assume he is a celebrity and therefore should happily give nice pleasant informative interviews. Smith clearly assumes that he's just himself, and why should anyone be that interested. Bloody good attitude if you ask me.
I cant tell if he was just being his usual twatty self on great form... Theres a few great lines in this.. Calling Ian McCulloch a slag is up there, along with telling Laverne not to get funny... Good stuff.
Can anyone tell us the name of the fall song at the start of the interview? heard it before, just cant remermber it
He's having a laugh, whether she knows it or not. He strikes me as being an absolutely top bloke. And Lauren Lavern seemed to do fine. I think the Grauniad really rather overplayed this one.
One thing i love about MES's interviews is how he answers questions with a one or two syllables, then waits for the inteviewer to respond before going more in depth. It's like he buzzes off the awkward moment of complete silence.
Oh hell, this guy is amazing. Only recently introduced to the Fall, I loved seeing those idiot girls and guys standing around thinking they should be screaming for someone famous. I may not like everything The Fall has done, but at least I love the big Fuck You they are to everything "pop."
He's calling McCulloch a slag. I thought he was pretty easy-going here, it's Laverne that gets the hump and starts being all icy after his Brit awards crack..
The two stupidest bits are the Welsh bloke more interested in his hair and the intro by Lauren....Joy Division, Mondays and ....wait for it Simply Red....
MES is delightful and charming as always but the woman is a tit. I want to bang her brains out but she's a tit and she doesn't know how to conduct a proper interview.
She seems like she can handle her job well enough to me. What's interesting is how Mark just actively doesn't make any attempt at formality at all. He just mumbles and grunts like he would if he was anywhere else.
I'd have to say Lauren handled herself pretty well when faced with someone of Mark's calibre (not least after finding herself, with the cameras rolling, clearly out of her depth), although she seemed somewhat terrified of him by the end of the interview.
She's just built for showbiz, she's not in the real world, everything she says is guaged against some element of the fame machine. That's why he can't relate, he's experienced more than she ever will but he's domestic till he dies. Fucking great bloke, a true maverick. Lauren's not even fit, she's just a dumb bitch!
why even bother if thats the calibre of your questions? "have you ever ripped up liverpool with ian mculloch?" what are you supposed to say in response to questions like that?
feinstein1 - was a mostly a crap interview, do have to love him for taking it in stride! - like when she asked, "your present wife is now playing keyboards in the band, - would you consider replacing her?" - what kind of question is that!? - ".
I know it's been said but Sid Vicious in 1976??? Reminds me of when the Pistols reformed in '96 and smartarses kept saying "How can it be the Pistols without Sid Vicious"? Easy mistake to make for the young 'uns! Anyway stop taking it so seriously... MES just plays up to his reputation and Lauren clearly knows what to expect and gets through it as best she can! It's just TV! MES on Newsnight when Peel died was real trainwreck TV.
-he wasn't calling lauren a slag -he meant mcculloch
-the simply red comment was meant as a joke. i.e.simply red was a less credible band to come out of manchester from that period.
-this type of interview will always get cack output. for younger viewers, imagine if noel gallacher was on this and didn't care about being in the biggest bad in the world or what anyone thought of him. just believed in what he was doing-and thank god they didn't let the welsh guy interview him
Did she not learn anythin, do ur research! how much did she get paid 2 do this interview, i really cant stand this oooty tooty i know such n such, been there when it was happenin, bland, pointless got the job coz of wot i did b4. I hate these twitty airy fairies that are waiting for something to happen or tryin to be so interesting n the coolest, most up 2 date. give it up love!!!
That's just TV-land, innit? There's no individuals with personalities and opinions in TV any more. Maybe it was always so but it seemed that occasionally the odd one would slip through the night. Any presenters with half a brain have all that conditioned out of them by the time they've got a regular gig. Don't think it's her fault; she's just got so used to being around ingratiating idiots - that's the world she works in.
I could watch this over and over again. MES needs to live forever...who else will stick it to these bland, self-satisfied industry slags when he's gone? I bet Mark is overjoyed that Franz Ferdinand have been influenced by him...
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The Fall are an insignificant load of pap!
They were never mentioned in my social scene and our lot went a s far back a s The Beatles to find good music like many others. Just a joke this interview, she doesn't even interview the fella ha ha
Sorry love but your band was shit and you're only saving grace is that you're a Sunderland fan.
The Fall was John Peel's favourite band of all time... Why do you think that was? Got "Cab It Up" playing right now... Mark E Smith... by far the coolest British "singing" voice of any artist in the last 20 years!
Absolutely shitting herself she was and totally out of her depth. Just goes to show what happens when an arse-licking TV hack only used to smug, inanely grinning patsys gets to interview someone who doesn't give a shit about being there. I only wish the pain could have gone on longer.
the audience don't have the slightest clue who he is, you can hear alot of talking in the background. no ones that interested.
when he said "meeting you at the nme awards" i fucking lol'd. you can see after he says that she starts to sweat. he's clearly wasted though he doesn't need to be, he's always like that anyway.
My mistake..."The Mondays, Simply Red, Joy Division..."...she forgot the Buzzcocks & decided to claim that Shaun fucking Ryder was at the gig instead.
"Johnny Rotten & Sid Vicious were playing down the road"...no, Johnny Rotten & Glen Matlock were. "You're a famous Mancunian"...no, he's a famous Salfordian.
So desperate mentioning that fucking Sex Pistols gig every time a band vaguely from Manchester is mentioned...30 odd yrs ago & ppl are still riding on its coat tails. If there was ever a part of England stuck in the past, it's the North West. What kind of a music fan utters Buzzcocks & Simply fucking Red in the same breath?
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Mark E. Smith is a politically correct communist piece of shit pretending to be a rebel genius. But it's all the same. The same as The Clash, the same as Oasis, the same as almost all of rock. They just have different personalities so you think you're original for liking one or the other.
But Lauren Laverne -- I am impressed that she knows about The Fall and has done her research. She is better than interviewers twice her age. And he still pulls a 'tude on her, the prune.
MES, might be a pisshead, but he is a very switched on guy and knows exactly what he is doing lol. Funny because the Fall have always against this NME style culture.
This could be because he was ripped to his tits on lager as was I having drunk solidly for 12 hours...however I have no recollection as to whether he smelled of piss at the time.
hmm i've loved the fall more than any other band for over 20 years now. Funnily enough i still like the bunnymen as well. However it doesn't mean that I adore everything he does or says. eg the recent "autobiography" was crap. Most fall gigs over the last few years have been very average. Some albums fantastic...some not so. The fact that if anyone professes a liking for The fall "they are plagiarists". Mind you I got a photo with MES 12 yrs back after a gig and he was very friendly & polite.
What a prick. All these arselicking fans who reckon he's something special because of his 'different' lyrics...it's all a load of bollocks. People claim to like The Fall in the hope that it will make them appear intelligent when, in actual fact, the music is dire and MES is a snivelling little weedy arsehole who hides his massive insecurities behind a cocky, arrogant facade. Talentless and dull.
it's funny when she says "you seem pretty nice to me" entirely unconvincingly. the fall/mark are great, and have made so many amazing albums (still do) but the one time i met him i quickly realized it was better walking away (that was the weekend when he fired his band). i remember him barking orders at my friend who worked the door at the club, ordering him to carry his bags. anyway, lots of pricks make genius art.
ps lauren's ex band kenickie were pretty fantastic!
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Cockney? He's FROM FUCKING MANCHESTER you daft twat.
Have you actually watched this video with the sound up, or actually ever heard anything the fall have ever done???? He has an obvious northern accent. Moron
m e smith, a genius in the TRUEST sense! & not just a musician's musician. btw, who the hell is this laverne chick? what an embarrassment to humankind. how did mark even tolerate this interview?
hi herrhorstQ yes, m.e.smith is arrogant. still, i think he's a great lyricist & his music (for me) is hypnotic. & rather original. & THAT'S what matters to me.
Her attempt at 'ironic' presentation fails to mask her moronic delivery. Where as once I was an avid viewer of the Culture Show - now I can't stomach more than a minute of this puppett clearly out of her depth. When will the BBC stop attempting to be young and hip and just deliver quality and interesting programming. Heads should definately roll
I can't stand bloody Laverne. She is one of a clutch of yoof presenters who go to all of the right festivals, hangs around music people and thinks everything is fucking wonderful. I don't like dreary people like this.
You dont need hits to be successful, The Fall have a cult following which is far more credible than being number 1 in the charts, look at who's in the charts these day's, its proof that the music industry is a pile of shit.
I think hes pretty generous really given the line of questioning. Early in the interview with, firing the wife comment, what does she expect? Also "whats been your best memory" he aint dead yet for fucksake unlike these shitty bands that claim the fall as an influence. The Jo wiley comment is fucking class!! There are are two types of people in this world Fall fans and theres "mediocre sueds"
Of course MES is being civil... he's being interviewed by a very beautiful young lady, and despite his drunken drawl, he's always one to be quite the charming man with lovely female interviewers. He's probably going to hit on her once the cameras are off. ;) Good on yer, mate, as long as you've learned to stop hitting your bandmates (or firing them!?). Yes, yes, I know, granny on bongos and all that. I miss Kenickie :(
What can Mark feed off here? He said he got a ghost reader in, and she says 'like Jordan?', er no Lauren, give him the respect he deserves. Like John Lydon once said 'comedy interrogation act.' With his legacy is drowning in an already neglected audience, he needed the interviewer to show some integrity, but she went into this pre-empting HIS behaviour, as opposed to just being honest and asking real questions
I don't know why Mark E. Smith is supposed to be such a horrible interview; he seems civil enough, he answers the questions. He doesn't have the best diction, but he's fifty, drunk and hasn't got a lot of teeth ... this seems an okay TV interview to me.
I think Mark E Smith is one of those geniuses that shouldn't be interviewed and is best left an enigma like Phil Spector. Also is Lauren Lavern devoid of humor that isn't scripted and written for her? she annoys me. Obvious indie pop princesses in the background not paying attention as well
Mark E Smith was very civil! Lauren Laverne is a nice girl but her line of questioning is the same as all that smarmy channel4 youth presenter(oo im so witty) attitude. Anyone with half a brain knows that mark smith will never go for that. in fact hes known to be very nice bloke if u talk to him ordinarily and not with that poncy egotistical journalist persona who are more interested in how they look than revealing something about the genius that is smith.
I had heard that this was meant to be one of those all-time TV-trainwreck moments It isn't really though, is it? I think she can be pretty funny and is wasted on this rubbish show (Music policy: whatever over-amplified white-bread sludge is on the marketing men's calender that week).
when i watched the interview i was going to comment on it but having read all these comments i don't feel like it now. elitism works it's way in to every aspect of music on the internet, and i see these comments are no different. it's not big to shoot people down. i have a mental image of a self satisfied wanker blasting off repostes and then furiously refreshing the page to see their own views writ large. like or dislike the interview - remarks should be kept to that.
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I feel sorry for Lauren Laverne in this interview. I thought she dealt with the situation very well. This bloke may have been succesful in the music industry and even says he likes my home town more than his own, but he didn't give Lauren anything to build on in the interview causing it to die on her arse. She asked all the right questions, even made a pretty sexist joke that normally a man of his generation would pounce on. To be honest I applaud her for resisting the urge to slap the cunt
I don't applaud her, I don't applaud him, and I don't aplaud the fact you felt compelled to let everybody in on your feeble-minded thoughts. do you write for the NME?
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SHE was rude criticising his former wife and current wife. Who wouldn't react. Certainly Mark E. Smith. The point is she knew his track record he has never been given over to the 'celebrity sell my soul' lifestyle.. She could have ditched the overbearing "I'm Miss Popular right now" routine. He's seen her sort come and go over 35 years.
shakercoola 1 week ago
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shakercoola 1 week ago
You mean like a greyhound out of a trap
nath909 1 month ago
I've gotta hand it to Lauren. She stays really composed and level-headed right throughout this awkward interview. MES is a rude, surly prick how anyone can have the patience to deal with this sad old punk is beyond me. Some think it's clever, artistic or cool to be like this when it's really just a sign of insecurity.
PrimeM92 4 months ago
'I've heard it's a fantastic record' - and that's why the interview failed. If you want an easier ride from someone like MES, at least make it sound as though you've bothered to listen to his work. Nearly all of LL's questions are designed for cheap laughs, until at the end she tries to bring it round with 'so what you listening to at the moment?' Too late.
esteban30100 5 months ago
" they don't sound nothing like us , plagarism int it " shame Jeremy Paxman wasn't doing the interview !
scraggi 5 months ago
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scraggi 5 months ago
coughed in her face a 1:30!!
citizenthom 5 months ago
Lauren Laverne is one of the biggest wankers on TV but that dude was rude as hell! What a dick! She handled it very well I think!
terihatcherfan 7 months ago
I dont think he is a twat,how else are you supposed to answer the questions.I think people get unerved because he talks how a 50 year old man would talk to anyone else.
TheMaxlow 7 months ago
Smith isnt a twat at all. The twats are the people who assume he is a celebrity and therefore should happily give nice pleasant informative interviews. Smith clearly assumes that he's just himself, and why should anyone be that interested. Bloody good attitude if you ask me.
StanPomeray 8 months ago 4
Mark comes across as an incredibly difficult interview. I bet he's just like that having a conversation with him. Has he always been this ... cagey?
mcflyfarm 8 months ago
Haha
meandmehousetramp 8 months ago
what a twat
benhproductions 9 months ago
As far as Lauren's concerned that couldn't finish quick enough. Mark is a legend.
naisian331 10 months ago
seriously, if you were an interviewer and you were being given MES, it would be like the kiss of death, no matter how much of an honour!
lorriesplash 10 months ago
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lorriesplash 10 months ago
goddamn i loved lauren laverne for snatching the mic away from that-cunt-who-gives-the-welsh-a-bad-name
fuckamericanidiot 1 year ago
Mark always seems to go easy on these media nobody's who clearly have not got a clue. Than the ones who think they have ( F. Skinner) for example .
MrPabz9 1 year ago
looks like a fucking youth club behide him lol ffs
joydivision808 1 year ago
''What was your favourite memory?''
''Meeting you at the NME awards''
LOLx 10,000
whipchorus 1 year ago
i guess i'm not the first to point out Syd Vicious wasn't in the Sex pistols when they played those Mancherster gigs.
Stube437 1 year ago
"The spawn of J. "Loaded" Brown and L. Laverne are laughing in excelsis" - Mark E. Smith, 'Alton Towers' by The Fall.
noname1209 1 year ago
Is Mark nervous or hopped up on crank? he has that facial tic like a tweaker.
coptersoisoi 1 year ago
I cant tell if he was just being his usual twatty self on great form... Theres a few great lines in this.. Calling Ian McCulloch a slag is up there, along with telling Laverne not to get funny... Good stuff.
Can anyone tell us the name of the fall song at the start of the interview? heard it before, just cant remermber it
merked1980 1 year ago
@merked1980 Reformation from Reformation Post TLC
jeroennickman 1 year ago
He's having a laugh, whether she knows it or not. He strikes me as being an absolutely top bloke. And Lauren Lavern seemed to do fine. I think the Grauniad really rather overplayed this one.
sugarydonkey 1 year ago 2
@joannepsi: the top of her head is very definitely under the surface of the water
roodllib 1 year ago
'They don't sound anything like us' - absolutely hilarious - love him! :)
ski7878 1 year ago
talk about out of her depth ... lmfao ... classic Mark E
roodllib 1 year ago
@roodllib She's not out of her depth at all. Lauren Laverne is a very intelligent lady who really knows her music. MES is being vile as usual.
joannepsi 1 year ago
this is such a glorius, magnificent, heroic train wreck of an interview.
boosh1988 1 year ago
One thing i love about MES's interviews is how he answers questions with a one or two syllables, then waits for the inteviewer to respond before going more in depth. It's like he buzzes off the awkward moment of complete silence.
dcwolftown 1 year ago
"meeting you at the nme awards"... he he he
dogmunch 1 year ago
He may be a wanker, but Mark E. is not dumb!
The "E." stands for Eccentric.
ChelseaSpeedParty1 1 year ago
The guy is a wanker and seems pretty dumb.
shadowkunt 1 year ago
what did he think when wee Brix got stolen by Our Nige?
felixcock 1 year ago
@felixcock probably didn't give much of a fuck
seahan 1 year ago
pair of twats.. but at least he's accomplished something
ChocolateExplosion 1 year ago
Oh hell, this guy is amazing. Only recently introduced to the Fall, I loved seeing those idiot girls and guys standing around thinking they should be screaming for someone famous. I may not like everything The Fall has done, but at least I love the big Fuck You they are to everything "pop."
Joshmf 1 year ago
He's the british Capt Beefheart
pogmotho1n 1 year ago 2
Stupid bitch.
antistar1000 1 year ago
What a fucking awful man.
MonkeyWrench1984 1 year ago
sweet jesus, was this guy ever remotely fuckable?
emmers57 1 year ago
@emmers57 Apparently still is, have you seen his remarkably attractive wife?
StuartBadminton 1 year ago
haha does he call her a "slag" at 2.55?
jackfa1990 1 year ago
@jackfa1990
He's calling McCulloch a slag. I thought he was pretty easy-going here, it's Laverne that gets the hump and starts being all icy after his Brit awards crack..
llanbo 1 year ago
Forget those butt plugs Lauren.Come back to what you know baby
BackInTheEUSSR 1 year ago
I'm in tears for the human race on your behalf bitch
BackInTheEUSSR 1 year ago
We call to you sweetheart
BackInTheEUSSR 1 year ago
Have you got your Twitter Twatter microchip implant yet Lauren?You skanky little mainstream media gimp whore
PlanetBastard 1 year ago
The TV licence money is there to provide a service for the British public not to turn failed entertainers into millionaires
PlanetBastard 1 year ago
the talentless skinny skank
PlanetBastard 1 year ago
He used to support City, I'm not sure he ever cared about United.
xyling 1 year ago
Shake her hand boys, she's one of us
NewAgeOrder 1 year ago
She's the Jarrow March digitized
NewAgeOrder 1 year ago
every day is like christmas day to her on her radio show
NewAgeOrder 1 year ago
god he's such a twat
ryko26 1 year ago
Well that interview starts well
cftp 1 year ago
Crowd look mentally and I mean mentally challenged!
Mingy girls and 'I see you Jimmy' boys....nice!
majorwhatshisname 1 year ago
Hang on Joy Division about 1976, Mondays lots later (not a Mondays fan), Simply Dull 80's where is the connection to Punk?
Don't think the Fall were influenced by Sex Pistols....how much misinformation do you need?
majorwhatshisname 1 year ago
The two stupidest bits are the Welsh bloke more interested in his hair and the intro by Lauren....Joy Division, Mondays and ....wait for it Simply Red....
majorwhatshisname 1 year ago
So funny. She's trying so hard bless her.
Fiasco6Radio6Show6 1 year ago
used to think I liked Lavere..xfm an stuff......but what a prat / showbiz automaton she looks to me now,,,,
Scitzowicz 1 year ago
Note to most posters here:
I like The Fall but for god's sake please don't lick Mark E Smith's bumhole.
bunglebonce 1 year ago
@bunglebonce
hey I'm sure god appreciates your concern !
Scitzowicz 1 year ago
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Smiths a bit of a penis
afbofficial 2 years ago
2:34 hahahaha! owned!
mark1800 2 years ago
talk about a mismatch
mark1800 2 years ago
don t get funn yy now heh
montecarlo362 2 years ago
fucking record company parasites
shine350 2 years ago
see what happens when you sell your soul to the man
wedrinkmountaindew 2 years ago
aural valium for the 'trendy' masses
shine350 2 years ago
MES is delightful and charming as always but the woman is a tit. I want to bang her brains out but she's a tit and she doesn't know how to conduct a proper interview.
KoldMannDamm 2 years ago
he looks like a fuckin alcoholic
millarsnotdead 2 years ago
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veronicadajani 2 years ago
fuck off u crank
millarsnotdead 2 years ago
She seems like she can handle her job well enough to me. What's interesting is how Mark just actively doesn't make any attempt at formality at all. He just mumbles and grunts like he would if he was anywhere else.
ChimichangaCongo 2 years ago 3
I'd have to say Lauren handled herself pretty well when faced with someone of Mark's calibre (not least after finding herself, with the cameras rolling, clearly out of her depth), although she seemed somewhat terrified of him by the end of the interview.
benayounyossi 2 years ago
She's just built for showbiz, she's not in the real world, everything she says is guaged against some element of the fame machine. That's why he can't relate, he's experienced more than she ever will but he's domestic till he dies. Fucking great bloke, a true maverick. Lauren's not even fit, she's just a dumb bitch!
unseenwires 2 years ago 3
Laverne=beautiful
M.E.S.=legend
"Who you listening to at the moment?"
M.E.S. - "meself!"
PMSL
ski7878 2 years ago 3
Laverne is a mongo.
M.E.S is a living leg end!
rambo2kevin 2 years ago
why even bother if thats the calibre of your questions? "have you ever ripped up liverpool with ian mculloch?" what are you supposed to say in response to questions like that?
pual75 2 years ago 3
That stupid bitch.
She needs to learn how to talk to legends.
Ulmeyda08 2 years ago 2
What a TERRIBLE talentless interviewer this woman is.....
Tlfont 2 years ago 4
Lauren Laverne is a beautiful girl but it's obvious she wasn't impressed by him. Maybe Katy Perry would have excited her more?
Michael1984360 2 years ago
What a crap interview. God love him for taking it in stride.
feinstein1 2 years ago 2
feinstein1 - was a mostly a crap interview, do have to love him for taking it in stride! - like when she asked, "your present wife is now playing keyboards in the band, - would you consider replacing her?" - what kind of question is that!? - ".
sirdoug3 2 years ago 4
awesome!! He wasent too bad ,like i remember!! love their new sound!!
mantooth3245 2 years ago
What a prick he is
crisp2k2 2 years ago
at 0:51 her eyes are screaming 'help!'
fraserfj 2 years ago
God, Mark E Smith is one massive twat...
...and by God do we love him for it.
stalinised 2 years ago 20
I couldn't agree more and we wouldn't have him any other way. Some of the best and most talented artists are indeed pricks and twats.
aphex00 2 years ago
cos not everyone round your way is drunk
simonpenum 2 years ago 4
I know it's been said but Sid Vicious in 1976??? Reminds me of when the Pistols reformed in '96 and smartarses kept saying "How can it be the Pistols without Sid Vicious"? Easy mistake to make for the young 'uns! Anyway stop taking it so seriously... MES just plays up to his reputation and Lauren clearly knows what to expect and gets through it as best she can! It's just TV! MES on Newsnight when Peel died was real trainwreck TV.
wyngatecarpenter 2 years ago 2
ahh bless
-he wasn't calling lauren a slag -he meant mcculloch
-the simply red comment was meant as a joke. i.e.simply red was a less credible band to come out of manchester from that period.
-this type of interview will always get cack output. for younger viewers, imagine if noel gallacher was on this and didn't care about being in the biggest bad in the world or what anyone thought of him. just believed in what he was doing-and thank god they didn't let the welsh guy interview him
moley8791 2 years ago 2
i love lauren
jaimz30 2 years ago 2
The fall and joy division are the greatest bands ever. Simply red is possible the worst.
jamezthomas1580 2 years ago 2
Razorlight are the worst.
Ulmeyda08 2 years ago 4
This is correct.
hexenductionhour 2 years ago
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jamezthomas1580 2 years ago
did he call her a slag?
citizenthom 2 years ago 2
yeh he does lol
hiheyo333 2 years ago
"The spawn of J. 'Loaded' Brown and L. Laverne are laughing!"
noname1209 2 years ago
Did she not learn anythin, do ur research! how much did she get paid 2 do this interview, i really cant stand this oooty tooty i know such n such, been there when it was happenin, bland, pointless got the job coz of wot i did b4. I hate these twitty airy fairies that are waiting for something to happen or tryin to be so interesting n the coolest, most up 2 date. give it up love!!!
rsiegenbe 2 years ago
That's just TV-land, innit? There's no individuals with personalities and opinions in TV any more. Maybe it was always so but it seemed that occasionally the odd one would slip through the night. Any presenters with half a brain have all that conditioned out of them by the time they've got a regular gig. Don't think it's her fault; she's just got so used to being around ingratiating idiots - that's the world she works in.
klangding 2 years ago
This is soooo embarassing. Just shut up ms laverne-why???
rsiegenbe 2 years ago
2:45 cor she gives me the horn. She's one mackem that I'd like to smack(em) -_-"
afteq 2 years ago
Thought she handled it pretty well. I love the Fall but MES achieved nothing in that interview. He shoud've just said he didn't want to do it.
bucek1 2 years ago
I guess these things do need doing from time-to-time, but even as a Fall-fan, I don't get much pleasure from watching it.
As an earlier comment said, she was simply out of her depth.
hartmusc 2 years ago
"Young dicks make TV, keep them away from me" - Solicitor in Studio (Room to Live - 1982)
Blenhemshots 3 years ago
A true gentleman of the oldschool.
0TedMaul0 3 years ago
fuck simply red because among other things that ginger cunt is a manu fan and mark e smith is a chelsea supporter.
fivepointsix 3 years ago
He's City you daft twat.
Why is the screen all squashed?
klangding 3 years ago
city is shite
afteq 2 years ago
This is wonderful.
bukowski333 3 years ago
I could watch this over and over again. MES needs to live forever...who else will stick it to these bland, self-satisfied industry slags when he's gone? I bet Mark is overjoyed that Franz Ferdinand have been influenced by him...
bigstefan 3 years ago 2
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The Fall are an insignificant load of pap!
They were never mentioned in my social scene and our lot went a s far back a s The Beatles to find good music like many others. Just a joke this interview, she doesn't even interview the fella ha ha
Sorry love but your band was shit and you're only saving grace is that you're a Sunderland fan.
gards2 3 years ago
The Fall was John Peel's favourite band of all time... Why do you think that was? Got "Cab It Up" playing right now... Mark E Smith... by far the coolest British "singing" voice of any artist in the last 20 years!
chapeltownmouth 3 years ago
Absolutely shitting herself she was and totally out of her depth. Just goes to show what happens when an arse-licking TV hack only used to smug, inanely grinning patsys gets to interview someone who doesn't give a shit about being there. I only wish the pain could have gone on longer.
lofigrinder 3 years ago 2
the audience don't have the slightest clue who he is, you can hear alot of talking in the background. no ones that interested.
when he said "meeting you at the nme awards" i fucking lol'd. you can see after he says that she starts to sweat. he's clearly wasted though he doesn't need to be, he's always like that anyway.
shinjukugewalt 3 years ago
My mistake..."The Mondays, Simply Red, Joy Division..."...she forgot the Buzzcocks & decided to claim that Shaun fucking Ryder was at the gig instead.
Don't tell me...Heather Small was there aswell.
ringrangadongforahol 3 years ago 7
"Johnny Rotten & Sid Vicious were playing down the road"...no, Johnny Rotten & Glen Matlock were. "You're a famous Mancunian"...no, he's a famous Salfordian.
So desperate mentioning that fucking Sex Pistols gig every time a band vaguely from Manchester is mentioned...30 odd yrs ago & ppl are still riding on its coat tails. If there was ever a part of England stuck in the past, it's the North West. What kind of a music fan utters Buzzcocks & Simply fucking Red in the same breath?
ringrangadongforahol 3 years ago 6
full props to miss laverne. that interview went as well as any MES interview could.
brennnnan 3 years ago 2
TV people are so sickening, fighting over who gets to read what off the cue cards
redpaul79 3 years ago 3
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Mark E. Smith is a politically correct communist piece of shit pretending to be a rebel genius. But it's all the same. The same as The Clash, the same as Oasis, the same as almost all of rock. They just have different personalities so you think you're original for liking one or the other.
But Lauren Laverne -- I am impressed that she knows about The Fall and has done her research. She is better than interviewers twice her age. And he still pulls a 'tude on her, the prune.
LoneConformist 3 years ago
that went well
leolodreamland 3 years ago 3
MES, might be a pisshead, but he is a very switched on guy and knows exactly what he is doing lol. Funny because the Fall have always against this NME style culture.
kingsnake76 3 years ago 2
This could be because he was ripped to his tits on lager as was I having drunk solidly for 12 hours...however I have no recollection as to whether he smelled of piss at the time.
newbigprinz 3 years ago 2
hmm i've loved the fall more than any other band for over 20 years now. Funnily enough i still like the bunnymen as well. However it doesn't mean that I adore everything he does or says. eg the recent "autobiography" was crap. Most fall gigs over the last few years have been very average. Some albums fantastic...some not so. The fact that if anyone professes a liking for The fall "they are plagiarists". Mind you I got a photo with MES 12 yrs back after a gig and he was very friendly & polite.
newbigprinz 3 years ago
What a prick. All these arselicking fans who reckon he's something special because of his 'different' lyrics...it's all a load of bollocks. People claim to like The Fall in the hope that it will make them appear intelligent when, in actual fact, the music is dire and MES is a snivelling little weedy arsehole who hides his massive insecurities behind a cocky, arrogant facade. Talentless and dull.
EatMyKnobCheese 3 years ago
"who u listening to at the moment" answer "miself" fuckin CLASSIC long live that man stick to interveiw shit bands like the kooks lauren lol
cciinnrraamm 3 years ago
it's funny when she says "you seem pretty nice to me" entirely unconvincingly. the fall/mark are great, and have made so many amazing albums (still do) but the one time i met him i quickly realized it was better walking away (that was the weekend when he fired his band). i remember him barking orders at my friend who worked the door at the club, ordering him to carry his bags. anyway, lots of pricks make genius art.
ps lauren's ex band kenickie were pretty fantastic!
tofupuppy 3 years ago
"did you ever think of firing your wife?"
"what a ghost writer, like Jordan?"
and people are surprised he treated her like a non-entity?
Jeez.
fathercrow 3 years ago
regardless of how long he's been in music
he's a cockey horrible little prick
he's propper horrible to Lauren on this, he just makes it hard for her
arrogant old cunt
HerrHorst303 3 years ago
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Cockney? He's FROM FUCKING MANCHESTER you daft twat.
Have you actually watched this video with the sound up, or actually ever heard anything the fall have ever done???? He has an obvious northern accent. Moron
samnectar 3 years ago
I said cockey you illiterate twat
I've heard the fall before, course I fucking hate
tit
HerrHorst303 3 years ago
spelt cocky me old mate
dermot51 3 years ago
well aren't you the clever one
HerrHorst303 3 years ago
no not really most people over the age of six can spell cocky.... correctly
dermot51 3 years ago
the same way as most people would probably learn how to spell "lose" and realise there's only one O?
or "Can't" instead of "Carnt"
it was an easy mistake. Obnoxious prick
HerrHorst303 3 years ago
stop being a nitpicking wanker
does it really matter if he spelt 1 word ever so slightly wrong?
I still agree with him as well, Mark E Smith is a twat
MattyBurr 3 years ago 2
m e smith, a genius in the TRUEST sense! & not just a musician's musician. btw, who the hell is this laverne chick? what an embarrassment to humankind. how did mark even tolerate this interview?
bunnee777 3 years ago 2
I've not heard much of the fall if I'm totaly honest
but, and this is my opinion only, I do think Mark E. Smith is a bit of a cockey twat.
Although, I think a lot of people as far into their musical career as him probably are.
I've noticed it in Paul Weller, which has disappointed me because he is one of my biggest hero's
HerrHorst303 3 years ago
hi herrhorstQ yes, m.e.smith is arrogant. still, i think he's a great lyricist & his music (for me) is hypnotic. & rather original. & THAT'S what matters to me.
bunnee777 3 years ago
fair enough:) the world would be boring if everyone liked the same wouldn't it!
I must say, I do like totaly wired and hey student! It is very different:)
HerrHorst303 3 years ago
Lauren Laverne has RUINED the culture show!!
Her attempt at 'ironic' presentation fails to mask her moronic delivery. Where as once I was an avid viewer of the Culture Show - now I can't stomach more than a minute of this puppett clearly out of her depth. When will the BBC stop attempting to be young and hip and just deliver quality and interesting programming. Heads should definately roll
sarahGatland 3 years ago 12
I can't stand bloody Laverne. She is one of a clutch of yoof presenters who go to all of the right festivals, hangs around music people and thinks everything is fucking wonderful. I don't like dreary people like this.
jonnywotsit 3 years ago 4
he a musician for musicians-- fuckin genius!!!!
i really like his musik - hes a great artist!!!!
JohnnyTrotz 3 years ago
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OMG what a talentless tosser...
27 Albums and No Hits...
Hes an old drunk with zero charm
Euuurggghhh
lapt0p 3 years ago
I agree mate:)
arrogant old twat:)
although, if people like him, fair enough to them:)
HerrHorst303 3 years ago
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You are spot on. Idiots pretend to like this shit because they want to look intelligent.
The bloke is a total prick who looks like he stinks of piss.
EatMyKnobCheese 3 years ago
You dont need hits to be successful, The Fall have a cult following which is far more credible than being number 1 in the charts, look at who's in the charts these day's, its proof that the music industry is a pile of shit.
hsmod 3 years ago 12
"We're The Fall. This is our music. If you don't like it, fck off. We aren't going to change it just to get on the radio."
At least, that's how i perceive them.
xraycortina 3 years ago 2
I think hes pretty generous really given the line of questioning. Early in the interview with, firing the wife comment, what does she expect? Also "whats been your best memory" he aint dead yet for fucksake unlike these shitty bands that claim the fall as an influence. The Jo wiley comment is fucking class!! There are are two types of people in this world Fall fans and theres "mediocre sueds"
swanlee33 3 years ago
you said it!
wiremu 3 years ago
she's ugly to both eye and ear..
moonboots69 3 years ago 3
Interviewer wrong. The Sex Pistols did not have Sid Vicious in 1976. That would of been Glen Matlock. Sorry to be touchy. Shine on Mark E Smith.
minutegongcoughs 3 years ago 2
She just asks a lot of stupid questions, obviously knows nothing about The Fall or the new book. That's why she's on TV.
kiloscott 3 years ago
minimax04 - typ nme make a point then fro a word like cunt to be groovy radical nme type get orf on blonde nme nme
algyy 3 years ago
Of course MES is being civil... he's being interviewed by a very beautiful young lady, and despite his drunken drawl, he's always one to be quite the charming man with lovely female interviewers. He's probably going to hit on her once the cameras are off. ;) Good on yer, mate, as long as you've learned to stop hitting your bandmates (or firing them!?). Yes, yes, I know, granny on bongos and all that. I miss Kenickie :(
Krantzstone 3 years ago 3
I fkkn luv this man
WAAAAAAAAAAAY 3 years ago 3
What can Mark feed off here? He said he got a ghost reader in, and she says 'like Jordan?', er no Lauren, give him the respect he deserves. Like John Lydon once said 'comedy interrogation act.' With his legacy is drowning in an already neglected audience, he needed the interviewer to show some integrity, but she went into this pre-empting HIS behaviour, as opposed to just being honest and asking real questions
PomBare 3 years ago 2
the fall='stunning
sonicjay007 3 years ago
I don't know why Mark E. Smith is supposed to be such a horrible interview; he seems civil enough, he answers the questions. He doesn't have the best diction, but he's fifty, drunk and hasn't got a lot of teeth ... this seems an okay TV interview to me.
tjodolF2 3 years ago 6
Hes a fifty-year-old man, and he likes it..
noname1209 2 years ago
I think Mark E Smith is one of those geniuses that shouldn't be interviewed and is best left an enigma like Phil Spector. Also is Lauren Lavern devoid of humor that isn't scripted and written for her? she annoys me. Obvious indie pop princesses in the background not paying attention as well
warsawza 3 years ago 4
I think she finds herself very amusing at times, that why i cant stick the maccam tart. Mark E Smith is very funny
CheekymarK101 3 years ago
well done mark fuck emm
ravensmead 3 years ago
The Reynolds Girls!!!!!!!
ianc123 3 years ago
Mark E Smith was very civil! Lauren Laverne is a nice girl but her line of questioning is the same as all that smarmy channel4 youth presenter(oo im so witty) attitude. Anyone with half a brain knows that mark smith will never go for that. in fact hes known to be very nice bloke if u talk to him ordinarily and not with that poncy egotistical journalist persona who are more interested in how they look than revealing something about the genius that is smith.
feardhorcha 3 years ago
Mark E. Smith WAS ment to be a grumpy old man since the day he was born. Thats what makes him so special and adorable.
Janezlk 3 years ago
I had heard that this was meant to be one of those all-time TV-trainwreck moments It isn't really though, is it? I think she can be pretty funny and is wasted on this rubbish show (Music policy: whatever over-amplified white-bread sludge is on the marketing men's calender that week).
phunboy 3 years ago 2
when i watched the interview i was going to comment on it but having read all these comments i don't feel like it now. elitism works it's way in to every aspect of music on the internet, and i see these comments are no different. it's not big to shoot people down. i have a mental image of a self satisfied wanker blasting off repostes and then furiously refreshing the page to see their own views writ large. like or dislike the interview - remarks should be kept to that.
monacledmonkeys 3 years ago
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I feel sorry for Lauren Laverne in this interview. I thought she dealt with the situation very well. This bloke may have been succesful in the music industry and even says he likes my home town more than his own, but he didn't give Lauren anything to build on in the interview causing it to die on her arse. She asked all the right questions, even made a pretty sexist joke that normally a man of his generation would pounce on. To be honest I applaud her for resisting the urge to slap the cunt
Minimax04 3 years ago
I don't applaud her, I don't applaud him, and I don't aplaud the fact you felt compelled to let everybody in on your feeble-minded thoughts. do you write for the NME?
hurrikanetimmy 3 years ago