This is really what happened. HE is a JUDGE, he persecutes people every day, dhe ILLEGALLY downloaded something on the computer, after she was told not to. He is physically punishing his daughter, which is 16, for being disobedient. If there were more people like this, the world wouldn't be how it is now.
I agree with this video post! People are so dumb for thinking the judge was wrong but people wonder why their kids out of control! My parents raised me to respect! @obamamaniacs you were raised right! If anyone disagrees thats fine you can have your own opinion! Just dont get mad when your kids are in your face calling u a bitch
@Ladyv818 Lord, you tryna get somebody taken out on a stretcher. LOL. If we'd had the nerve even mutter something that under our breath; somebody woulda had to call the cops, fa real...and we knew it. Actually it never even came to mind.
WhenI was 13 I stole money from my mother's bureau. When my mom found out I didn't get a spanking. My mom got an extension cord and she didn't aim for the butt and the legs. I got a flogging that makes this look like a hug. And it's too bad I didn't have a video of it cause I could make a killing of it today!
i was knocked out by my dad in 8th grade...my children will never see a hand, it doesn't work and it really is just caving-in as a parent...there are effective ways to use WORDS!
Making excuses for other people beating their children is fucking pathetic. You are probably just trying to justify how shitty your parents were. Sorry that happened to you. Most well adjusted people I know were never physically hit by their parents. Hitting people is for losers.
@joshuaoha Don't try to put your insecurities with your family off on me. Spanking is not a problem. If you don't agree, that's fine but it's a tried and true method of discipline.
@obamamaniacs look man he used to much force in whipping his child and doing over something silly downloading music and a videogame also she had cerbal palsy now there is a sad excuse for a human being he takes it to the extent where hes in control and she doesnt have any power hes just a pussy ass prick to me and know that the proper punishment was just to ground her
@coolsideeric01 maybe he'd grounded her and taken away priviledges already. She's a fully functioning young woman in this video; though seemingly very disobedient. You know she knew she was in trouble or she wouldn't have set up the camera.
My family respected me talked to me but I knew who the authority was in the house and outside. They spoke to me as a human like I said before. I have always practiced that with my children and the children that have come in my life. It has worked because a child needs structure. They dont need bribary, beatings, or threats. They need structure and love. Period
He kept coming back...out of ANGER. To be honest I never watched Super Nanny lol. That show was for middle aged white women with ZERO time on their hands. I grew up in Harvey, Il. It was voted 25 in the worst cities in the entire US. There was plenty of my friends that got their ass handed to them on the regular. Most of them had kids in high school, minimum wage job or not much better to this day. That was not my life. It never was. I learned who authority was and TRIED to never disrespect it
Personally I dont believe that God has sent the Bible to guide my life. To be honest I think the Bible is utter nonsense written by man and interpreted wrongs for centuries. However, my faith is neither here or there in this conversation.It is called being a Authoritarian parent.You speak to your child as a human being and dont beat them like animals basically. I am all for disiplinefor not such as what was in the video. He said in there himself that he did it ONLY because she made him so mad.
Also, it is a FACT that you are not supposed to hit a child out of temper. That is considered abuse because you hit them HARD as hell. The fact you say you would "whoop" your child with a belt if you had kids is sad. I hope to God you never have children Sir. If you did I would be the first to report you for ABUSE.
@csummers1107 you know you can go to jail for reporting things? If this is abuse, then why isn't the man being prosecuted? cause it's not and the lawyers and judges won't even waste the money on a losing case.
You are wrong. First of all she wasnt wear jeans she was wearing pajama pants. The way he kept coming back and hitting her and getting her in the face is abuse. It would be abuse in a court system and he even admits he lost his temper. He is a court room judge that has probably taken away parents rights for a lot less than this. It is disgusting and hurtful that someone would say this was not abuse. It was. The child, DISABLED child at that was begging and pleading him to stop.
@csummers1107 you are wrong. lol. First of all, he never hit her in the face. This disabled child is fully functional, She can walk, talk, run, play on the computer, think critically, set up a camera cause she knew she was about to get a whooping. She was also a child prodigy: a pianist.
She also chose to live with her father when he and her mother broke up and only put up this video when he refused to support her anymore. At 24 yrs old.
@icemom09 He may have been enjoying it, but he was very much in control. Did he hit her on the arms, the feet, in the head, in the chest? No, only on the buttocks and legs. Doesn't that take control?
@obamamaniacs no, did you see when his wife hit her he went nuts and ran to get another belt. he also threatened to spank her in the face. That is loosing control.
@icemom09 If he's actually lost control, the belt may have actually hit her in the face, or the chest, or the arm even. None of those things happened. Yes, he threatened to hit her in the face and did a lot of cursing; but it sure didn't look like he was trying to do such a thing.
@obamamaniacs same here but im not saying that i'd know the full story either but it kind of looks bad from where im standing , i mean he did get his licks in when he was smacking her up with the belt , there was no more need to keep on whipping the kid and saying -"your lucky we even let you live in this house"- or my favorite-" i'll beat you into submission"- and keeps threatenning to beat her more and more , maybe it was abuse or maybe not but however you see it , kinda looks bad
This was a disresepctful disobedient child. Who yells "stop" to their parent while getting a spanking?! Who doesnt turn around when their parent tells them to turn around for the spanking? smh. My momma would never have beat on top of clothes! lol. Thats a joke. "Im not beating thru clothes" is what my momma would say. And i was not abused! I earned those beatings. And i am thankful i got them. Im still alive
@ofromva You earned those beating? You poor thing. Guess what? No, you didnt. It is abuse. I was never beat as a child and I am very much alive. I am successful, have a beautiful home with a wonderful husband and children. We do not beat our kids and they are amazing.We always get compliments on how well behaved they are.We SPEAK to them. Let me ask you a question?When your significant other makes you mad, do you beat them with a belt? No. You TALK.So Why would you do it to a defenseless child?
@csummers1107 Guess what? Even if u dont believe that God sent the Bible to us to guide our lives ("He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."), you cannot deny the centuries old wisdom. I do not place a child and an adult woman on the same level, so i wouldnt expect for them both to be guided in the same manner. I also dont advise anyone to beat a child because they are angry, as u are implying. Spanking is not to work out your anger. lol.
@csummers1107 Thats great that you are successful, but I will bet you any kind of money that children who were spanked largely turn out more disciplined in life and less delinquent than those who were not spanked. You have watched that show Super Nanny, right? lol. Utter nonsense. You cant tell me that those kids shouldnt be spanked to guide them. Thats funny to me that you think you can simply talk to a young child to guide them. But sounds like your method has worked for your kids. Kudos.
@imaStonesFan Sorry but there is a *huge* difference between controlled spankings and beatings. I don't have a problem with corporal punishment in order to correct behavior but from the video of Judge Adams beating his daughter this was *not* the case. I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and almost all of the black families beat their children. Most of these children were violent towards other classmates, teachers and neighbors.
@imaStonesFan So you think that just because you got "whoopings" that other people should too? I received beatings like this girl and I would never want that inflicted on anyone.
@imaStonesFan Of course she was. Don't you have eyes? You could hear the mother pleading with the father after she left the room that it was enough but no he had to get more of that good ole fashioned beating in. The girl downloaded something from the internet and it called for that? This man was probably a lunatic that didn't even understand technology.
@xxdiogenescynicxx we could argue about this all night but really i have more important things to worry about. I mind my own business if i can and i just feel this is not worth arguing about. Really u should obsess about kids that REALLY get abused or something worth worrying about'
@xxdiogenescynicxx lol @ black people being violent.. no black people go to work with a semi-automatic weapon and mow down people because they got fired or blow up a school with them still inside of. it we might knock off a liquor store or shoot ONE person who probably shot someone we knew. white people kill everyone in the area, who didnt have shit to do with anything, and THEN themself. see: columbine(and all copycats), oklahoma city bombing and disgruntled postal workers
My mom came in from work one day and i was in the BATHTUB(i was a teenager) I shot a BB Gun and i had accidentally shot our neighbors car window. Anyway she got home early while i was in the tub (wet )and she came through the door with a big switch and UHHH i'll NEVER forget that whipping!!!. It hurt too. This big girl was lucky. Shame on her for humiliating her father and trying to make all these internet cowards bash him.
Dude you were brought up old school like me! That man was not abusing his big grown daughter. She was moving around trying to doge the belt and everything. I have gotten lots of whippings by my MOTHER worse than what that man did.
@Marcus111147 cause you capitalized it doesn't make it true. If it were child abuse then he would be prosecuted in the TX courts. Guess what? He's not going to be prosecuted. He's disciplining his child.
@obamamaniacs He is only not getting prosecuted because it has been 7 years since it happened. The limit in Texas is 5 in child ABUSE cases. This is ridiculous. Know the laws before you start defending child abuse.
@azx100ful you are clumping a whole HUGE country into such a small category. Are blacks and native americans also Americans? what about immigrants and "naturalized" Americans? This country is only a few hundred years old; most of them come from everything other country that you mentioned (and more).
Just because it happened to you - doesnt make it legal.
Moreover, like you said - you got hit for a reason. She didnt. He was purely taking his anger out on her, there was no discipline
"I'll beat your ass if you even look at me wrong" he says to her.
I'm a future lawyer. I'm an amazing citizen. I don't even litter.
Never been hit.
Just because you got hit, and you HAPPENED to not go to jail, doesn't mean the "discipline" saved you. All credible studies by QUALIFIED people disagree with you.
@ZOMGbiesNZ Actually in the video, he talks to the mom about what she did and then talks to the girl and asks her, "didn't I tell you not to download that to your computer?" I may be paraphrasing. His language seemed excessive to me, but his 'belt-technique' was very controlled and aimed right for the behind. That's why I say it wasn't so bad a spanking.
@ZOMGbiesNZ she didnt get hit for a reason? she was PIRATING! if she had gotten busted for stealing, they would have slapped HIM with a several hundred thousand dollar fine, THEN called him a bad parent because he allowed his child to steal music and software. Before ass whoopings was frowned on, we didnt need shows like supernanny, just saying. i wonder why
@clanier2010 HOW are you so ignorant? Assuming that kids not getting beaten=the only possible reason for anything.
Your ignorance of the law is substantial too. $300000+ fine? Any fine would be unlikely.
You can prevent your child from breaking the law without causing emotional and physical injury. In fact, its MORE effective to NOT hit your child; and almost all credible research agrees.
Moreover, a crime being punished with a far worse crime? An eye for an eye & the world is blind, like you.
@ZOMGbiesNZ lol ignorance of the law? first of all, you dont know what she stole, and considering fines for stealing music is several thousand per track, several hundred thousand is not unlikely considering people steal hundreds of movies every day. Just because its unlikely dosent mean its OK. just because its unlikely you'll get caught for molesting a 1yr old dosent mean its okay to do it.
@ZOMGbiesNZ Youre getting 2 replies. please explain the recent wave of unruly kids, why there are metal detectors in elementary schools, kids shooting up schools and complete disrespect towards parents. and if you listen to the video, he says he told her not to do it, but she did it anyways. and it obviously wasnt the first time she was warned. Maybe he shoulda just turned her ass in instead and let her deal with the legal trouble for the rest of her life, then he would be a monster for THAT
@clanier2010 ASSUMING there is such a wave - Im not qualified to say why. But I am qualified to speak from experience. Im a law student at university. Im respectful, intelligent & friendly. I, like the majority of my peers that I have discussed this with, have never been beaten. We are all decent people. That in itself shows the correlation, if it even exists, between beating and good kids to be a farce.
I would support her being turned in. She would be lightly punishd but taught a lesson
@ZOMGbiesNZ Lightly punished nothing. google Jammie Thomas-Rasset, she was caught with 24 pirated songs and was sued for 1.9million. Like i said before, going by the dialog in the video which im sure no one listened to, she used to be a good kid, then she started screwing up worse and worse, and he told her not to pirate anymore, she did it anyways. So now she gets an ass whooping, youre seeing the end-result. If she got caught, HE would be financially responsible.
@clanier2010 Looked it up and am disgusted. Last verdict was a total of $54K; which is abhorrent!! But thats another matter, I guess.
But I certainly listened to the dialogue. He made threats of violence, committed acts of violence, and emotionally and physically attacked the girl. Each of which is a definition of assault under the law.
You can't trust the opinion of a backwards old man (who fears technology and blames it for his violence) when it comes to a young girls good or bad behaviour.
@ZOMGbiesNZ He isnt scared of technology, hes scared of the legal troubles he would be in because his daughter is a theif. thats different. he didnt hit her for playing minesweeper on the evil computer, she was STEALING. and the rest of the story, she released this video as payback for him cutting her off at the age of 24, she said "youll live to regret this" and oops, video's out.
@ZOMGbiesNZ in my book, thats somewhere between blackmail and extortion, 2 more crimes she committed. but the real question that no one has asked her that i would really like to know.
did she illegally download software after this? because if she didnt, id say all of your arguments have been shit on, because apparently she did learn her lesson.
@ZOMGbiesNZ are you saying attempting to ruin someone socially and financially because they wont pay all your bills isnt a crime? if im doing something that will put you in debt for the rest of your life, i invite you to come beat me senseless if you can. and really? senseless? ..really? ive stubbed my toe and received more pain than she did. we've covered that she had a history of doing it, enough is enough. you do what you have to do to correct her behavior.
@ZOMGbiesNZ You really can't use that type of example. This is his child, his charge, his responsibility. He has a right to teach, guide, and discipline her. You don't have a right to take disciplinary actions against someone just because you don't like what they are doing. You can, of course, notify the authorities and let them handle it.
@ZOMGbiesNZ Did you see that they won't be pressing charges against him? I think that's because it's not illegal, don't you? By the way, she also chose to live with her father when him and her mother parted ways.
I thought she had on thin pj's? My problem was the way he was swinging , cussing at her , and a few times it looked like he may have pushed her back by her throat. I have three teens 17 and 18 y/o boys and a 19 y/o daughter... I take their phones and wireless cards. If they've really pissed me off i'll take car keys- really no reason to come unglued like that on your kid. Not sure why ppl think race matters.
@MsTheLIP I actually didnt find it funny at all. My demeanor is supposed to be somber because it's a serious topic? I know she has cerebral palsy and that she could walk, talk, use the computer, set up the camera cause she knew she was going to be in trouble, and function as any other young person (which includes disobeying her parent's explicit wishes).
I don't give a shit what she did wrong, if you have to beat your kid into submission for doing something wrong, you are a failed parent. You say that it's his child and therefore it's okay for him to discipline her the way he wants? I sure hope you don't have kids! Hitting your kid over and over again out of rage (I feel it necessary to add that it was indeed RAGE) while she begs you to stop is called abuse. Who gives a shit how you were raised? That changes nothing! Jeez, people today...
@lieutenantnobody Yes, "people today" is true. In times past, no one would have batted an eye if this guy whipped his child with a bullwhip on the street in front of a crowd.
@obamamaniacs And you think that was a good thing? What was once considered common practice is now being exposed as the monstrosity it truly is. Times are improving in that respect. What good will it do to hammer the living shit out of a child for doing something wrong? Please explain to me. A minor spanking (in the younger years, say, 4 to 10) maybe, but full-on lashing out with full force? Surely you'd have to be either mentally unstable or just ridiculously ignorant to approve of such filth.
@lieutenantnobody I approve of spanking, yes and didnt see any abuse in this video. In old times, kids didnt take guns and shoot up their schools or try to blow up their parents home either. Hmm. I wonder why? Could it be that the 'discipline' being doled out, or not doled out, these days is not working?
@obamamaniacs What are you babbling on about? Kids have been disobeying their parents since the dawn of time. The only thing excessive beating does is to shut them up until they're old enough to either keep on rebelling or continue the process (perhaps even worse than their parents did: which is often the case if you look into homicide cases involving small children in which parents will give the common excuse that their parents "used the same tactics on them," making it "okay").
@obamamaniacs Sure! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against "spanking" (if you are referring to a disciplinary last-resort, as it were, to keep children in line). But what we saw in the video we are talking about is not "spanking". The man was clearly acting in anger and even seemed to be enjoying his daughter's anguish. Hell, it was almost sexual! I even recall him saying something like, "If you even look at me wrong, you're gonna get it worse!" What occurred that day was not an act of love.
@lieutenantnobody I, too, agree that he seemed to take quite a bit of pleasure in the process; but I also noticed that he was trying to spank her on the behind and only hit there and her legs. Maybe if she would have turned over, it would have been a shorter affair with less swearing, etc. but kids don't do that; at least we didnt as kids.
She also knew the camera was on. I wonder how much of her screaming was due to the fact? She sure quited down quickly as soon as they left.
@tayfan2 uh, shouldnt you as a child not want ANY of your family members to spank you? Isnt that the point of a spanking, a consequence you dont want to endure? Thats why you do what to u were told by your parents? You ppl are rediculous. Half of you are kids themselves who didnt, and dont wanna obey your parents. thats ok, lets the law and life handle ya then. . . One way youll learn! ! !
No, I think its your standard spanking, for a serious thing she did wrong. Shes an older child who obviously gives her parants hell, other wise she wouldnt have schemed as to record it. A real abused child would act differently. I think father knew best in this situation and his anger expressed should show her how much he didnt want her doing what she did and how important it is not to do it again. He was angry because he loves her and wants her to make wiser decisions..
@mdf254 Did you see how hard he was hitting her? How can you call that a standard spanking? If you treated a dog like this, you'd have the dog taken away. It's called abuse. This isn't the Stone Age. Violence can never lead to resolution. Surely the human race has evolved beyond this.
See the difference is that white people are out raged because if parents beat their kids like black parents beat their children, the white children might grow up like black people, which is terrible for society.
I have three children that respect, love and honor me, and I know have my back .and may I say that discipline is uncomfortable, and unpleasant to see, and take part in, but is VITAL in child rearing, who are you to judge some one elses actions toward their own flesh n blood, whom they have worked hard and sacrificed for, for 16 yrs, if he seemed over the top, then it is his love and desire for his child to be just and moral rather than a selfish, careless theif! And what about the mom???
There is nothing wrong with discipling your child, but what that guy was doing was not discipline.That was abuse. He was taking his rage out on her. The guy needs to be locked up.
@eloi252 I agree that he took to it like he was having a good time but if you turn off the video and watch; you'll see how controlled his spanks were. He didnt hit her anywhere that would hurt anything more than her pride. She actually chose to live with him when her mom left her dad and only put this video up when he refused to keep supporting her (at 23).
And to ALL.of you out there saying its abuse, I bet. . . I bet YOUR kids if you even have any are off the chain, and spoiled and you gotta shell out of your pocket ti shut them up and keep from imbarassing you in a store. Dont play, you dont how the girl acts off camera, besides she did set the camera up in the first place, how else did it get recorded. You cannot try to kiss your kids ass and be their friend and expecr they wont end up in prison, if you dont handle them, the court system will.
Maaaan, that is too rediculous that anything is legaly been taken into account, In Texas law, punishment on a child is any and all measures legal up to death, at death then youve broken the law, I dont beat my kids but I whoop the tar out of them when needed. And I beleive half these ppl saying "oh I am disturbed by this" is probaly a rich white folk or celeberitys who never is around their kids and they are payin someone else to punish and raise them.
I am going to fuck my kids up if they deserve it...I got best with belts , shoes, whatever but understand this....beatings need to happen so these kids get their shit together...our society is is getting worse and kids these days need too get lit up
Update: Not to take away from the spank/no spank debate but the father just stated in the news that she posted this vid after he refused to support her financially anymore or get her a Benz. And she's lived with him most of this time. The 7 yr wait to post was suspect to me.
My very first thought was to how she was being disobedient and not laying on her stomach as her father commanded her to do. How quick would it had been over if she did what was told of her from the start...but obviously she doesn't listen to and follow the rules of her parents... which initiated it all. Added to this, I believe 16 should be the "age of majority" and thus she could just leave home and live her life as she chooses (I use "chooses" loosely because have no true freedom).
@ministerabdallah In the states you're not an adult until you're 18 and most kids don't have the maturity to live on their own. You stated a good point though; disobeyed (again) and probably made it worse.
@myaangelo1 I'm not sure if you saw the whole video, but there was talk and even reference to the fact that he'd already told her repeatedly no to download kazaa to her computer. I can't defend the man cause he did seem to enjoy it a bit much; but I can say that something is just a little too pat and camera-ready.
1. Your own similar experiences don't necessarily mean it's right, and don't mean what happened to HER was right, though I realize you didn't entirely say it was OK in this case.
2. She is disabled (cerebral palsy), and that kind of abuse with a belt is just uncalled for, legal or not.
3. The wife left the husband a few years ago because he was abusive with her as well. He had tremendous rage issues.
I don't know if any of this changes your mind at all, but that is what I found out.
@Zaunstar Yes, we've been chatting on here about many issues surrounding the video. Does it change my views about spanking? not really. Do I think he has "issues"? Yes, I felt he enjoyed it and was over the line with all the cursing at the child. Does cerebral palsy change my mind? I didnt see anything wrong with her and know she understood what she did was wrong and she'd be punished. So why did she do it even when she was told not to? I guess we can only ask her? or guess.
@obamamaniacs He definitely enjoyed it, and apparently took his rage out on his wife too. As for the punishment itself, I would NOT characterize that as a "spanking" by a long shot. What was done to her was NEVER done to me, and I would definitely consider that abuse, again regardless of legality. I also don't want a guy like that deciding the fate of anyone in the legal system.
I'm sure you will discipline your children when you have them but I gotta ask..will you do so by whipping them with your "big strap" while swearing and threatening to beat them in the face and forever? You never even address why the father never took the time to simply password protect the computer,..take away the computer or a host of other acceptable and effective steps. Yes I too got spanked but if anyone did that to me, parent or not I would no doubt drop that fucker to their knees :)
@sherrycaldwell actually if you'll read through my comments I talk about what I might have done; but who am I to say why or how the father did what he did? I don't know the man any more than I know you.
I really don't plan to have children but I also stated that, though I joke with them, I don't know if I could do any more than spank my niece's hands if they acted up.
We can chat about alternative measures but this is a reaction to the reality of what happened.
@obamamaniacs I guess what I'm trying to point out is that this is child abuse and not child discipline and while many of us were raised with spanks, not this type, and spanks should stop long before the age of 16. The reality of what happened is the man beat his daughter..that is all I was trying to say. I was spanked, not for 7 minutes and not while being threatened to have my face beat and that it would go on forever.
@sherrycaldwell well, I was spanked with a belt by my mom and with switches by my grandma, and even with a paddle in school; so the use of the belt didnt surprise me at all.
The video was 7 minutes but he wasn't spanking her the whole time.
I'll state again that it didnt look like abuse to me as the belt was applied to the child's bottom and sometimes legs because of the jumping and turning. He def seemed to be aiming to discipline and not abuse her.
The thing is this girl wasn't getting a spanking she was being beaten/assaulted by a lunatic, and for people who say that "whoopings" are a good thing, ummm they don't work just look at the US prison system chances are those ppl were beaten as a child...it just causes trauma.
@VaiTomarN0Cu I'm sure just as many of them were not spanked as were spanked. I didnt person this child as being beaten as the father was always aiming to whoop her behind and never punched or smacked her.
@obamamaniacs I guess it is a cultural thing. Legally speaking in Texas a spanking is three swats across the backside with your hand. This is technically assault with a weapon, and psychologically it cause trauma, bitterness, and an array of emotional issues. A "punch" isn't the only way to assault a person. If he didn't want her downloading songs or using the computer he should of removed it from her room. The back story to this is he abused her and her mother and he admitted to it.
@VaiTomarN0Cu yes, I have been hearing that he was abusive and I made this video from watching the video and news clip. I don't know what the texas law states but we got more than 3 swats across the back side with a hand in my youth.
discipline is one thing, this guy was in a rage. he was getting off on it. he had himself a big old spare not the rod jesus stiffy going on. time out/no toys works much better than teaching violence.
@paddedshell I don't believe spanking is teaching violence any more than I believe playing a videogame with guns is inciting to kill.That being said, I did think he relished it too much. He was probably getn off.
Well Daddy got his ass handed to him on this occasion so it seemingly didn't work. When you're whooping a kid you cant see the future - you don't know if the child will develop anxieties, disorders, life long resentments towards you...you really are taking a gamble that your kid will have the resilience to take the punishment and look back fondly on the experience.
@DingoBabyEat Yes, we never know the future. If you don't teach your child discipline through some means then you also don't know if they'll resent you in the future for not taking the time to teach them right from wrong or to prepare them for the "cold cruel world".
Fortunately, and unfortunately, you don't need a degree (or even common sense) to bear and raise children. But if you're doing your best through love, it should all come out good.
@tayfan2 that would have been the 1st line of discipline for me. take it away for a week. If that doesn't work then a month (then forever) or until you move out of my house. but you know it was probably a baby sitter sometimes just like the tv for some parents.
On the other side let's say this father was normal with no anger issues. I suspect as a judged he freaked out. Seven years ago people were actually being prosecuted for pirating music and I understand this wasn't her first time getting in trouble for it.
I always knew my parents spanked out of love. I was never afraid of their wrath or anything. Each case is different. We got switches, belt, bedroom shoe on pant legs or butt. We were just smart enough to do things parents never found out about. Duh. #smartkids #fewspankings
@TruthSerum101 We're from southern stock. : ) Read what I wrote to robert about this being a new era. I'm willing to try other than what I was raised with because I took the time to understand my child instead of rigid rules. Battered women should just run. Everyone defines love differently.
@tayfan2 I'm also from the south but this is not just a southern thing, of course. The thing is they beat you while you're still a baby, so you grow up thinking it's normal - kids idolize their parents but damaged people damage people and the cycle goes on and on and on.
@TruthSerum101 I guess the wives believe it too cause they show be sticking around. Personally, I'd extra-cate myself quickly from a situation like that. "What's Love Got To Do With It" - Tina Turner
In my family, the kids who were beaten, are the two with major issues. They are in their twenties now. They are both lost. They aren't monsters but the damage shows. Ironically, their mom is a social worker and the only bible thumper in my family. The dad was totally against beating kids and eventually got custody but by then the kids were in their teens. Both parents have masters degrees and these kids barely made it out of high school. One just got a GED. She beat them in Jesus' name.
@TruthSerum101 I think that can be the worst type of spanking: "in jesus name". whoop me cause I did something wrong; not cause Jesus told you to. lol.
I'm sure it's about equal ppl who were spanked and those who weren't who have problems. Don't know if there's a study and don't care; I just know what I think and feel about the subject.
I know ppl feel very strongly about some things, and they have to utilize their own judgements in their families/lives.
@obamamaniacs There have been studies for years - TONS. The research is there but alas, beating kids is a religion for some. Damaged people walking around who think it's okay to physically attack others affects all of us. I care about child abuse the way I care about children being fed. Children are the most vulnerable. The vast majority of children who are murdered, are murdered by one of their parents. Because everybody doesn't physically die from abuse, doesn't mean they are okay.
Find one psychological study to support what you advocate in this video. Often what happened to us, is normalized and neutralized because that's all we know. Some people are "ok" in spite of abuse, not because of it.. No amount of cultural sanctioning will change that for me. Slavery was normal at one time too; and ironically where many Africans first started beating the '"F" out of their kids. The reasons are obvious.
@TruthSerum101 now you know I ain't looking for no psycho studies esp since I ain't got no kids and don't plan on attaining any. I can only speak from my experience and what I see around me, and I do believe that some of these bad ass kids could use a spanking cause whatever they getting now ain't working. hah aha a
@obamamaniacs Man, you sound like Herman 'Caine talking like that.
"If segregation was good enough for my daddy, well then, it's good enough for me."
-the words of Herman 'Caine
Those "bad ass kids" you're talking about learned how to be violent because they were taught violence. I know it's difficult to understand that concept if you've already internalized your own abuse and associated it with loving feelings. No one is saying your parents didn't love you. They just didn't know any better.
@PostSurgeOperative Actually many of these kids haven't been getting spankings. There's many places to learn violence. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. and the quote just does not apply or even relate.
@obamamaniacs I don't mind debate if the other person makes considered arguments, but all I hear from you is, "well, that's my opinion", and "that's my experience". You've admitted you aren't knowledgeable about the literature on this subject matter; if you really don't know, then how can you honestly 'disagree'?
In any case, just because you never plan to have children is not a good reason to cling to folk wisdom. Please disabuse yourself of your ignorance:
@PostSurgeOperative I also am on here and post videos for debate on subjects that come up. Because I don't know the 'literature' on a subject does not mean that I can't talk about experience and paradigms. We all see things through a different lens. If you need literature to back up (or dictate) your feelings; that's fine. It's not my operation. This isn't coming from an 'expert'; this is coming from a functioning human being.
@PostSurgeOperative we don't stoop to calling names on my videos. You can debate, chat, disagree; but please be an adult about it. Thanks. or just don't come back. easy enough.
@PostSurgeOperative I'm "trolling" on my own videos. That's rich! Like I said, play nice or stay away. I'm very familiar with that block button and won't miss you at all though I appreciate your views and your stated opinions on the subject.
@obamamaniacs A lot of "bad ass" kids are already getting beaten. That's the caveat. Beating a child is the worst IMO. I don't like the idea of hitting puppies either - makes them crazier. Basically, using violence teaches violence. Children merely learn to be sneaky with their stuff to avoid a beating. The lesson is not really learned.
Additionally, "bad ass" is often just childlike behavior that is inconvenient for the parent at the time.
@TruthSerum101 now I know you done seen some of these bad kids that aren't just "kid" behavior on the trains or even in the streets and at the theater. I don't believe that spanking necessarily teaches violence as the answer; as it never taught me or my brothers that but we had quite a few forms of punishment and spanking was generally the 'final straw'.
I'm sorry, she needed that ass-whipped for not listening!!! Plain and Simple!!!!
NORAK69 1 month ago
@NORAK69 gangsta!
obamamaniacs 1 month ago
This is really what happened. HE is a JUDGE, he persecutes people every day, dhe ILLEGALLY downloaded something on the computer, after she was told not to. He is physically punishing his daughter, which is 16, for being disobedient. If there were more people like this, the world wouldn't be how it is now.
Seetherhell 1 month ago
i agree
milosrastovac 2 months ago
I agree with this video post! People are so dumb for thinking the judge was wrong but people wonder why their kids out of control! My parents raised me to respect! @obamamaniacs you were raised right! If anyone disagrees thats fine you can have your own opinion! Just dont get mad when your kids are in your face calling u a bitch
Ladyv818 2 months ago
@Ladyv818 Lord, you tryna get somebody taken out on a stretcher. LOL. If we'd had the nerve even mutter something that under our breath; somebody woulda had to call the cops, fa real...and we knew it. Actually it never even came to mind.
obamamaniacs 2 months ago
WhenI was 13 I stole money from my mother's bureau. When my mom found out I didn't get a spanking. My mom got an extension cord and she didn't aim for the butt and the legs. I got a flogging that makes this look like a hug. And it's too bad I didn't have a video of it cause I could make a killing of it today!
TheMeefive 3 months ago
Why didn't she call the cops if it was soooo traumatic?...smh
MsDimples78 3 months ago
i was knocked out by my dad in 8th grade...my children will never see a hand, it doesn't work and it really is just caving-in as a parent...there are effective ways to use WORDS!
aubreyaardvark 3 months ago
Making excuses for other people beating their children is fucking pathetic. You are probably just trying to justify how shitty your parents were. Sorry that happened to you. Most well adjusted people I know were never physically hit by their parents. Hitting people is for losers.
joshuaoha 3 months ago
@joshuaoha Don't try to put your insecurities with your family off on me. Spanking is not a problem. If you don't agree, that's fine but it's a tried and true method of discipline.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs look man he used to much force in whipping his child and doing over something silly downloading music and a videogame also she had cerbal palsy now there is a sad excuse for a human being he takes it to the extent where hes in control and she doesnt have any power hes just a pussy ass prick to me and know that the proper punishment was just to ground her
coolsideeric01 2 months ago
@coolsideeric01 maybe he'd grounded her and taken away priviledges already. She's a fully functioning young woman in this video; though seemingly very disobedient. You know she knew she was in trouble or she wouldn't have set up the camera.
obamamaniacs 2 months ago
My family respected me talked to me but I knew who the authority was in the house and outside. They spoke to me as a human like I said before. I have always practiced that with my children and the children that have come in my life. It has worked because a child needs structure. They dont need bribary, beatings, or threats. They need structure and love. Period
csummers1107 3 months ago
@csummers1107 and discipline, you forgot.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
He kept coming back...out of ANGER. To be honest I never watched Super Nanny lol. That show was for middle aged white women with ZERO time on their hands. I grew up in Harvey, Il. It was voted 25 in the worst cities in the entire US. There was plenty of my friends that got their ass handed to them on the regular. Most of them had kids in high school, minimum wage job or not much better to this day. That was not my life. It never was. I learned who authority was and TRIED to never disrespect it
csummers1107 3 months ago
Personally I dont believe that God has sent the Bible to guide my life. To be honest I think the Bible is utter nonsense written by man and interpreted wrongs for centuries. However, my faith is neither here or there in this conversation.It is called being a Authoritarian parent.You speak to your child as a human being and dont beat them like animals basically. I am all for disiplinefor not such as what was in the video. He said in there himself that he did it ONLY because she made him so mad.
csummers1107 3 months ago
Also, it is a FACT that you are not supposed to hit a child out of temper. That is considered abuse because you hit them HARD as hell. The fact you say you would "whoop" your child with a belt if you had kids is sad. I hope to God you never have children Sir. If you did I would be the first to report you for ABUSE.
csummers1107 3 months ago
@csummers1107 you know you can go to jail for reporting things? If this is abuse, then why isn't the man being prosecuted? cause it's not and the lawyers and judges won't even waste the money on a losing case.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
You are wrong. First of all she wasnt wear jeans she was wearing pajama pants. The way he kept coming back and hitting her and getting her in the face is abuse. It would be abuse in a court system and he even admits he lost his temper. He is a court room judge that has probably taken away parents rights for a lot less than this. It is disgusting and hurtful that someone would say this was not abuse. It was. The child, DISABLED child at that was begging and pleading him to stop.
csummers1107 3 months ago
@csummers1107 you are wrong. lol. First of all, he never hit her in the face. This disabled child is fully functional, She can walk, talk, run, play on the computer, think critically, set up a camera cause she knew she was about to get a whooping. She was also a child prodigy: a pianist.
She also chose to live with her father when he and her mother broke up and only put up this video when he refused to support her anymore. At 24 yrs old.
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icemom09 3 months ago
@icemom09 Why do ppl always have to make it about black and white? this is a white man spanking his child, isn't it?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
That is abuse!!!!!!!! That is not a spanking that is a scum that lost control! Sorry that you were abused.
icemom09 3 months ago
@icemom09 He may have been enjoying it, but he was very much in control. Did he hit her on the arms, the feet, in the head, in the chest? No, only on the buttocks and legs. Doesn't that take control?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs no, did you see when his wife hit her he went nuts and ran to get another belt. he also threatened to spank her in the face. That is loosing control.
icemom09 3 months ago
@icemom09 If he's actually lost control, the belt may have actually hit her in the face, or the chest, or the arm even. None of those things happened. Yes, he threatened to hit her in the face and did a lot of cursing; but it sure didn't look like he was trying to do such a thing.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs I have to say him hitting her with a belt is loosing control. he should of taken his agression out on the computer not the kid.
icemom09 3 months ago
@icemom09 most spankings are with a belt, aren't they? where you spanked as a child?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
she was wearing pajama pants actually .........
timlickly122 3 months ago
@timlickly122 yes, I noticed later on
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs ah , cool
timlickly122 3 months ago
so you know the full story then ? you were there ?
timlickly122 3 months ago
@timlickly122 actually when I made this I only knew what I saw and heard on the screen like everyone else. Why do you ask?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs same here but im not saying that i'd know the full story either but it kind of looks bad from where im standing , i mean he did get his licks in when he was smacking her up with the belt , there was no more need to keep on whipping the kid and saying -"your lucky we even let you live in this house"- or my favorite-" i'll beat you into submission"- and keeps threatenning to beat her more and more , maybe it was abuse or maybe not but however you see it , kinda looks bad
timlickly122 3 months ago
This was a disresepctful disobedient child. Who yells "stop" to their parent while getting a spanking?! Who doesnt turn around when their parent tells them to turn around for the spanking? smh. My momma would never have beat on top of clothes! lol. Thats a joke. "Im not beating thru clothes" is what my momma would say. And i was not abused! I earned those beatings. And i am thankful i got them. Im still alive
ofromva 3 months ago
@ofromva You earned those beating? You poor thing. Guess what? No, you didnt. It is abuse. I was never beat as a child and I am very much alive. I am successful, have a beautiful home with a wonderful husband and children. We do not beat our kids and they are amazing.We always get compliments on how well behaved they are.We SPEAK to them. Let me ask you a question?When your significant other makes you mad, do you beat them with a belt? No. You TALK.So Why would you do it to a defenseless child?
csummers1107 3 months ago
@csummers1107 Guess what? Even if u dont believe that God sent the Bible to us to guide our lives ("He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."), you cannot deny the centuries old wisdom. I do not place a child and an adult woman on the same level, so i wouldnt expect for them both to be guided in the same manner. I also dont advise anyone to beat a child because they are angry, as u are implying. Spanking is not to work out your anger. lol.
ofromva 3 months ago
@csummers1107 Thats great that you are successful, but I will bet you any kind of money that children who were spanked largely turn out more disciplined in life and less delinquent than those who were not spanked. You have watched that show Super Nanny, right? lol. Utter nonsense. You cant tell me that those kids shouldnt be spanked to guide them. Thats funny to me that you think you can simply talk to a young child to guide them. But sounds like your method has worked for your kids. Kudos.
ofromva 3 months ago
@imaStonesFan Sorry but there is a *huge* difference between controlled spankings and beatings. I don't have a problem with corporal punishment in order to correct behavior but from the video of Judge Adams beating his daughter this was *not* the case. I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and almost all of the black families beat their children. Most of these children were violent towards other classmates, teachers and neighbors.
xxdiogenescynicxx 3 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx he was NOT beatings her it was a ass whipping. Like i got many a day and worse
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
@imaStonesFan So you think that just because you got "whoopings" that other people should too? I received beatings like this girl and I would never want that inflicted on anyone.
xxdiogenescynicxx 3 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx she was NOT beat.
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
@imaStonesFan Of course she was. Don't you have eyes? You could hear the mother pleading with the father after she left the room that it was enough but no he had to get more of that good ole fashioned beating in. The girl downloaded something from the internet and it called for that? This man was probably a lunatic that didn't even understand technology.
xxdiogenescynicxx 3 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx we could argue about this all night but really i have more important things to worry about. I mind my own business if i can and i just feel this is not worth arguing about. Really u should obsess about kids that REALLY get abused or something worth worrying about'
Good Night.
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
Black people always defend child abuse. Maybe that is why they are so violent.
xxdiogenescynicxx 3 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx I'm not black and i agree with the guy in this video.
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
@imaStonesFan And your point is? I was saying that most black people agree with severe beatings. Yes a minority of white people do.
xxdiogenescynicxx 3 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx
Black people always defend child abuse. Maybe that is why they are so violent.
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 hour ago
OKAY IS THAT YOUR COMMENT?
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx You did NOT say ""Most""
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
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clanier2010 3 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx lol @ black people being violent.. no black people go to work with a semi-automatic weapon and mow down people because they got fired or blow up a school with them still inside of. it we might knock off a liquor store or shoot ONE person who probably shot someone we knew. white people kill everyone in the area, who didnt have shit to do with anything, and THEN themself. see: columbine(and all copycats), oklahoma city bombing and disgruntled postal workers
clanier2010 3 months ago
@clanier2010 good point
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
My mom came in from work one day and i was in the BATHTUB(i was a teenager) I shot a BB Gun and i had accidentally shot our neighbors car window. Anyway she got home early while i was in the tub (wet )and she came through the door with a big switch and UHHH i'll NEVER forget that whipping!!!. It hurt too. This big girl was lucky. Shame on her for humiliating her father and trying to make all these internet cowards bash him.
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
Dude you were brought up old school like me! That man was not abusing his big grown daughter. She was moving around trying to doge the belt and everything. I have gotten lots of whippings by my MOTHER worse than what that man did.
Thumbs up to your video you got it right! Thanks
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
@imaStonesFan Thanks! people are mostly reacting to the screams, I think.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs Yes That could be it!
imaStonesFan 3 months ago
IT WAS BEATING! IT WAS CHILD ABUSE!
Marcus111147 3 months ago
@Marcus111147 cause you capitalized it doesn't make it true. If it were child abuse then he would be prosecuted in the TX courts. Guess what? He's not going to be prosecuted. He's disciplining his child.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs He is only not getting prosecuted because it has been 7 years since it happened. The limit in Texas is 5 in child ABUSE cases. This is ridiculous. Know the laws before you start defending child abuse.
csummers1107 3 months ago
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imaStonesFan 3 months ago
i know americans well
they are truly against tolerance and very terrorists they kill millions of civilians including women and children and use terrorism as an excuse
and also they are very hate canadians japanese asians africans niggers arabs
azx100ful 3 months ago
@azx100ful you are clumping a whole HUGE country into such a small category. Are blacks and native americans also Americans? what about immigrants and "naturalized" Americans? This country is only a few hundred years old; most of them come from everything other country that you mentioned (and more).
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
Just because it happened to you - doesnt make it legal.
Moreover, like you said - you got hit for a reason. She didnt. He was purely taking his anger out on her, there was no discipline
"I'll beat your ass if you even look at me wrong" he says to her.
I'm a future lawyer. I'm an amazing citizen. I don't even litter.
Never been hit.
Just because you got hit, and you HAPPENED to not go to jail, doesn't mean the "discipline" saved you. All credible studies by QUALIFIED people disagree with you.
ZOMGbiesNZ 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ Actually in the video, he talks to the mom about what she did and then talks to the girl and asks her, "didn't I tell you not to download that to your computer?" I may be paraphrasing. His language seemed excessive to me, but his 'belt-technique' was very controlled and aimed right for the behind. That's why I say it wasn't so bad a spanking.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ she didnt get hit for a reason? she was PIRATING! if she had gotten busted for stealing, they would have slapped HIM with a several hundred thousand dollar fine, THEN called him a bad parent because he allowed his child to steal music and software. Before ass whoopings was frowned on, we didnt need shows like supernanny, just saying. i wonder why
clanier2010 3 months ago
@clanier2010 HOW are you so ignorant? Assuming that kids not getting beaten=the only possible reason for anything.
Your ignorance of the law is substantial too. $300000+ fine? Any fine would be unlikely.
You can prevent your child from breaking the law without causing emotional and physical injury. In fact, its MORE effective to NOT hit your child; and almost all credible research agrees.
Moreover, a crime being punished with a far worse crime? An eye for an eye & the world is blind, like you.
ZOMGbiesNZ 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ lol ignorance of the law? first of all, you dont know what she stole, and considering fines for stealing music is several thousand per track, several hundred thousand is not unlikely considering people steal hundreds of movies every day. Just because its unlikely dosent mean its OK. just because its unlikely you'll get caught for molesting a 1yr old dosent mean its okay to do it.
clanier2010 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ Youre getting 2 replies. please explain the recent wave of unruly kids, why there are metal detectors in elementary schools, kids shooting up schools and complete disrespect towards parents. and if you listen to the video, he says he told her not to do it, but she did it anyways. and it obviously wasnt the first time she was warned. Maybe he shoulda just turned her ass in instead and let her deal with the legal trouble for the rest of her life, then he would be a monster for THAT
clanier2010 3 months ago
@clanier2010 ASSUMING there is such a wave - Im not qualified to say why. But I am qualified to speak from experience. Im a law student at university. Im respectful, intelligent & friendly. I, like the majority of my peers that I have discussed this with, have never been beaten. We are all decent people. That in itself shows the correlation, if it even exists, between beating and good kids to be a farce.
I would support her being turned in. She would be lightly punishd but taught a lesson
ZOMGbiesNZ 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ Lightly punished nothing. google Jammie Thomas-Rasset, she was caught with 24 pirated songs and was sued for 1.9million. Like i said before, going by the dialog in the video which im sure no one listened to, she used to be a good kid, then she started screwing up worse and worse, and he told her not to pirate anymore, she did it anyways. So now she gets an ass whooping, youre seeing the end-result. If she got caught, HE would be financially responsible.
clanier2010 3 months ago
@clanier2010 good point.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@clanier2010 Looked it up and am disgusted. Last verdict was a total of $54K; which is abhorrent!! But thats another matter, I guess.
But I certainly listened to the dialogue. He made threats of violence, committed acts of violence, and emotionally and physically attacked the girl. Each of which is a definition of assault under the law.
You can't trust the opinion of a backwards old man (who fears technology and blames it for his violence) when it comes to a young girls good or bad behaviour.
ZOMGbiesNZ 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ He isnt scared of technology, hes scared of the legal troubles he would be in because his daughter is a theif. thats different. he didnt hit her for playing minesweeper on the evil computer, she was STEALING. and the rest of the story, she released this video as payback for him cutting her off at the age of 24, she said "youll live to regret this" and oops, video's out.
clanier2010 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ in my book, thats somewhere between blackmail and extortion, 2 more crimes she committed. but the real question that no one has asked her that i would really like to know.
did she illegally download software after this? because if she didnt, id say all of your arguments have been shit on, because apparently she did learn her lesson.
clanier2010 3 months ago
@clanier2010 How is it extortion or blackmail?
I don't know if she did or not; she obviously won't admit if she has. But it shits on NOTHING.
Just because it stops a behaviour - does not make it right.
If I dont like something you're doing, does NOT entitle me to come round to your house and beat you senseless.
He came back, after he "didn't get his lick on her". i.e. he wasnt doing it to teach anything. He was using her as a stress ball.
ZOMGbiesNZ 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ are you saying attempting to ruin someone socially and financially because they wont pay all your bills isnt a crime? if im doing something that will put you in debt for the rest of your life, i invite you to come beat me senseless if you can. and really? senseless? ..really? ive stubbed my toe and received more pain than she did. we've covered that she had a history of doing it, enough is enough. you do what you have to do to correct her behavior.
clanier2010 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ You really can't use that type of example. This is his child, his charge, his responsibility. He has a right to teach, guide, and discipline her. You don't have a right to take disciplinary actions against someone just because you don't like what they are doing. You can, of course, notify the authorities and let them handle it.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ Thank you for having common sense.
csummers1107 3 months ago
Just because it happened to you - doesn't make it legal.
ZOMGbiesNZ 3 months ago
@ZOMGbiesNZ Did you see that they won't be pressing charges against him? I think that's because it's not illegal, don't you? By the way, she also chose to live with her father when him and her mother parted ways.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
If you watch the ending when he walks out the room he has a bat btw they are sweatpants
MkuMonsterHighReview 3 months ago
@MkuMonsterHighReview I didnt see any bat; come on. and Yes, I did realize she had on pajamas the 2nd or 3rd time I watched it.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
I thought she had on thin pj's? My problem was the way he was swinging , cussing at her , and a few times it looked like he may have pushed her back by her throat. I have three teens 17 and 18 y/o boys and a 19 y/o daughter... I take their phones and wireless cards. If they've really pissed me off i'll take car keys- really no reason to come unglued like that on your kid. Not sure why ppl think race matters.
WillExposeYou 3 months ago
@WillExposeYou I don't either. I'd have taken the computer for a few weeks, personally.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
gee im glad you find this funny .. did you not know that the girl also suffered from cerebral palsy.
MsTheLIP 3 months ago
@MsTheLIP I actually didnt find it funny at all. My demeanor is supposed to be somber because it's a serious topic? I know she has cerebral palsy and that she could walk, talk, use the computer, set up the camera cause she knew she was going to be in trouble, and function as any other young person (which includes disobeying her parent's explicit wishes).
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
I don't give a shit what she did wrong, if you have to beat your kid into submission for doing something wrong, you are a failed parent. You say that it's his child and therefore it's okay for him to discipline her the way he wants? I sure hope you don't have kids! Hitting your kid over and over again out of rage (I feel it necessary to add that it was indeed RAGE) while she begs you to stop is called abuse. Who gives a shit how you were raised? That changes nothing! Jeez, people today...
lieutenantnobody 3 months ago
@lieutenantnobody Yes, "people today" is true. In times past, no one would have batted an eye if this guy whipped his child with a bullwhip on the street in front of a crowd.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs And you think that was a good thing? What was once considered common practice is now being exposed as the monstrosity it truly is. Times are improving in that respect. What good will it do to hammer the living shit out of a child for doing something wrong? Please explain to me. A minor spanking (in the younger years, say, 4 to 10) maybe, but full-on lashing out with full force? Surely you'd have to be either mentally unstable or just ridiculously ignorant to approve of such filth.
lieutenantnobody 3 months ago
@lieutenantnobody I approve of spanking, yes and didnt see any abuse in this video. In old times, kids didnt take guns and shoot up their schools or try to blow up their parents home either. Hmm. I wonder why? Could it be that the 'discipline' being doled out, or not doled out, these days is not working?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs What are you babbling on about? Kids have been disobeying their parents since the dawn of time. The only thing excessive beating does is to shut them up until they're old enough to either keep on rebelling or continue the process (perhaps even worse than their parents did: which is often the case if you look into homicide cases involving small children in which parents will give the common excuse that their parents "used the same tactics on them," making it "okay").
lieutenantnobody 3 months ago
@lieutenantnobody were you spanked as a child?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs Sure! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against "spanking" (if you are referring to a disciplinary last-resort, as it were, to keep children in line). But what we saw in the video we are talking about is not "spanking". The man was clearly acting in anger and even seemed to be enjoying his daughter's anguish. Hell, it was almost sexual! I even recall him saying something like, "If you even look at me wrong, you're gonna get it worse!" What occurred that day was not an act of love.
lieutenantnobody 3 months ago
@lieutenantnobody I, too, agree that he seemed to take quite a bit of pleasure in the process; but I also noticed that he was trying to spank her on the behind and only hit there and her legs. Maybe if she would have turned over, it would have been a shorter affair with less swearing, etc. but kids don't do that; at least we didnt as kids.
She also knew the camera was on. I wonder how much of her screaming was due to the fact? She sure quited down quickly as soon as they left.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@tayfan2 uh, shouldnt you as a child not want ANY of your family members to spank you? Isnt that the point of a spanking, a consequence you dont want to endure? Thats why you do what to u were told by your parents? You ppl are rediculous. Half of you are kids themselves who didnt, and dont wanna obey your parents. thats ok, lets the law and life handle ya then. . . One way youll learn! ! !
mdf254 3 months ago
No, I think its your standard spanking, for a serious thing she did wrong. Shes an older child who obviously gives her parants hell, other wise she wouldnt have schemed as to record it. A real abused child would act differently. I think father knew best in this situation and his anger expressed should show her how much he didnt want her doing what she did and how important it is not to do it again. He was angry because he loves her and wants her to make wiser decisions..
mdf254 3 months ago
@mdf254 Did you see how hard he was hitting her? How can you call that a standard spanking? If you treated a dog like this, you'd have the dog taken away. It's called abuse. This isn't the Stone Age. Violence can never lead to resolution. Surely the human race has evolved beyond this.
lieutenantnobody 3 months ago
See the difference is that white people are out raged because if parents beat their kids like black parents beat their children, the white children might grow up like black people, which is terrible for society.
HillcrestCapital 3 months ago
@HillcrestCapital I don't think it's a white/black issue. Is this man black or white?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@HillcrestCapital what does this have to do with ANYTHING? race doesnt matter. seems that the world would have learned to not be so ignorant.
MsStorky93 3 months ago
I'd hit like but somehow can't. Glad you feel this way about disciplining children. There is a time and place for it.
depellerinluc 3 months ago
I have three children that respect, love and honor me, and I know have my back .and may I say that discipline is uncomfortable, and unpleasant to see, and take part in, but is VITAL in child rearing, who are you to judge some one elses actions toward their own flesh n blood, whom they have worked hard and sacrificed for, for 16 yrs, if he seemed over the top, then it is his love and desire for his child to be just and moral rather than a selfish, careless theif! And what about the mom???
mdf254 3 months ago
@mdf254 So you didnt think he was over the top?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
I'm sorry, I believe in spanking but that video was over the top. I'm sorry you were abused as a child :-(
rivia32 3 months ago
@rivia32 I was never abused but thanks for trying.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
I see what you're saying.. But I still found the video difficult to watch..
PaperMicrophones 3 months ago
right on brother
TheRatchetkid 3 months ago
There is nothing wrong with discipling your child, but what that guy was doing was not discipline.That was abuse. He was taking his rage out on her. The guy needs to be locked up.
eloi252 3 months ago
@eloi252 I agree that he took to it like he was having a good time but if you turn off the video and watch; you'll see how controlled his spanks were. He didnt hit her anywhere that would hurt anything more than her pride. She actually chose to live with him when her mom left her dad and only put this video up when he refused to keep supporting her (at 23).
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
And to ALL.of you out there saying its abuse, I bet. . . I bet YOUR kids if you even have any are off the chain, and spoiled and you gotta shell out of your pocket ti shut them up and keep from imbarassing you in a store. Dont play, you dont how the girl acts off camera, besides she did set the camera up in the first place, how else did it get recorded. You cannot try to kiss your kids ass and be their friend and expecr they wont end up in prison, if you dont handle them, the court system will.
mdf254 3 months ago
@mdf254 Amen. You can say it again. How many kids do you have?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
Maaaan, that is too rediculous that anything is legaly been taken into account, In Texas law, punishment on a child is any and all measures legal up to death, at death then youve broken the law, I dont beat my kids but I whoop the tar out of them when needed. And I beleive half these ppl saying "oh I am disturbed by this" is probaly a rich white folk or celeberitys who never is around their kids and they are payin someone else to punish and raise them.
mdf254 3 months ago
I am going to fuck my kids up if they deserve it...I got best with belts , shoes, whatever but understand this....beatings need to happen so these kids get their shit together...our society is is getting worse and kids these days need too get lit up
TheZubbycakes 3 months ago
@TheZubbycakes and you'll be the next sensation in a youtube video, probably.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
Obamamaniacs---Thanks for the video"Judge Adams beats daughter." that was crasey and he's Sick. M.S.C.
mrstratochief1 3 months ago
Update: Not to take away from the spank/no spank debate but the father just stated in the news that she posted this vid after he refused to support her financially anymore or get her a Benz. And she's lived with him most of this time. The 7 yr wait to post was suspect to me.
tayfan2 3 months ago
@tayfan2 So she tryna blackmail him? Lawd! A Benz?
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
My very first thought was to how she was being disobedient and not laying on her stomach as her father commanded her to do. How quick would it had been over if she did what was told of her from the start...but obviously she doesn't listen to and follow the rules of her parents... which initiated it all. Added to this, I believe 16 should be the "age of majority" and thus she could just leave home and live her life as she chooses (I use "chooses" loosely because have no true freedom).
ministerabdallah 3 months ago
@ministerabdallah In the states you're not an adult until you're 18 and most kids don't have the maturity to live on their own. You stated a good point though; disobeyed (again) and probably made it worse.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@myaangelo1 I'm not sure if you saw the whole video, but there was talk and even reference to the fact that he'd already told her repeatedly no to download kazaa to her computer. I can't defend the man cause he did seem to enjoy it a bit much; but I can say that something is just a little too pat and camera-ready.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
1. Your own similar experiences don't necessarily mean it's right, and don't mean what happened to HER was right, though I realize you didn't entirely say it was OK in this case.
2. She is disabled (cerebral palsy), and that kind of abuse with a belt is just uncalled for, legal or not.
3. The wife left the husband a few years ago because he was abusive with her as well. He had tremendous rage issues.
I don't know if any of this changes your mind at all, but that is what I found out.
Zaunstar 3 months ago
@Zaunstar Yes, we've been chatting on here about many issues surrounding the video. Does it change my views about spanking? not really. Do I think he has "issues"? Yes, I felt he enjoyed it and was over the line with all the cursing at the child. Does cerebral palsy change my mind? I didnt see anything wrong with her and know she understood what she did was wrong and she'd be punished. So why did she do it even when she was told not to? I guess we can only ask her? or guess.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs He definitely enjoyed it, and apparently took his rage out on his wife too. As for the punishment itself, I would NOT characterize that as a "spanking" by a long shot. What was done to her was NEVER done to me, and I would definitely consider that abuse, again regardless of legality. I also don't want a guy like that deciding the fate of anyone in the legal system.
Zaunstar 3 months ago
I'm sure you will discipline your children when you have them but I gotta ask..will you do so by whipping them with your "big strap" while swearing and threatening to beat them in the face and forever? You never even address why the father never took the time to simply password protect the computer,..take away the computer or a host of other acceptable and effective steps. Yes I too got spanked but if anyone did that to me, parent or not I would no doubt drop that fucker to their knees :)
sherrycaldwell 3 months ago
@sherrycaldwell actually if you'll read through my comments I talk about what I might have done; but who am I to say why or how the father did what he did? I don't know the man any more than I know you.
I really don't plan to have children but I also stated that, though I joke with them, I don't know if I could do any more than spank my niece's hands if they acted up.
We can chat about alternative measures but this is a reaction to the reality of what happened.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs I guess what I'm trying to point out is that this is child abuse and not child discipline and while many of us were raised with spanks, not this type, and spanks should stop long before the age of 16. The reality of what happened is the man beat his daughter..that is all I was trying to say. I was spanked, not for 7 minutes and not while being threatened to have my face beat and that it would go on forever.
sherrycaldwell 3 months ago
@sherrycaldwell well, I was spanked with a belt by my mom and with switches by my grandma, and even with a paddle in school; so the use of the belt didnt surprise me at all.
The video was 7 minutes but he wasn't spanking her the whole time.
I'll state again that it didnt look like abuse to me as the belt was applied to the child's bottom and sometimes legs because of the jumping and turning. He def seemed to be aiming to discipline and not abuse her.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs and I will state again that to me this is abuse.
sherrycaldwell 3 months ago
@sherrycaldwell you're entitled to your opinion. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
The thing is this girl wasn't getting a spanking she was being beaten/assaulted by a lunatic, and for people who say that "whoopings" are a good thing, ummm they don't work just look at the US prison system chances are those ppl were beaten as a child...it just causes trauma.
VaiTomarN0Cu 3 months ago
@VaiTomarN0Cu I'm sure just as many of them were not spanked as were spanked. I didnt person this child as being beaten as the father was always aiming to whoop her behind and never punched or smacked her.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs I guess it is a cultural thing. Legally speaking in Texas a spanking is three swats across the backside with your hand. This is technically assault with a weapon, and psychologically it cause trauma, bitterness, and an array of emotional issues. A "punch" isn't the only way to assault a person. If he didn't want her downloading songs or using the computer he should of removed it from her room. The back story to this is he abused her and her mother and he admitted to it.
VaiTomarN0Cu 3 months ago
@VaiTomarN0Cu yes, I have been hearing that he was abusive and I made this video from watching the video and news clip. I don't know what the texas law states but we got more than 3 swats across the back side with a hand in my youth.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
discipline is one thing, this guy was in a rage. he was getting off on it. he had himself a big old spare not the rod jesus stiffy going on. time out/no toys works much better than teaching violence.
paddedshell 3 months ago
@paddedshell I don't believe spanking is teaching violence any more than I believe playing a videogame with guns is inciting to kill.That being said, I did think he relished it too much. He was probably getn off.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
Well Daddy got his ass handed to him on this occasion so it seemingly didn't work. When you're whooping a kid you cant see the future - you don't know if the child will develop anxieties, disorders, life long resentments towards you...you really are taking a gamble that your kid will have the resilience to take the punishment and look back fondly on the experience.
DingoBabyEat 3 months ago
@DingoBabyEat Yes, we never know the future. If you don't teach your child discipline through some means then you also don't know if they'll resent you in the future for not taking the time to teach them right from wrong or to prepare them for the "cold cruel world".
Fortunately, and unfortunately, you don't need a degree (or even common sense) to bear and raise children. But if you're doing your best through love, it should all come out good.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
Then again if he were a smart judge he could have avoided all of this by . . . . .(drum roll) . . . . .TAKE AWAY THE DANG COMPUTER! DUH!
tayfan2 3 months ago
@tayfan2 that would have been the 1st line of discipline for me. take it away for a week. If that doesn't work then a month (then forever) or until you move out of my house. but you know it was probably a baby sitter sometimes just like the tv for some parents.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
On the other side let's say this father was normal with no anger issues. I suspect as a judged he freaked out. Seven years ago people were actually being prosecuted for pirating music and I understand this wasn't her first time getting in trouble for it.
tayfan2 3 months ago
@tayfan2 yea, it wasn't her first time; but I figure he must have anger issues from her note that the mom left cause he was also abusive to her.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
I always knew my parents spanked out of love. I was never afraid of their wrath or anything. Each case is different. We got switches, belt, bedroom shoe on pant legs or butt. We were just smart enough to do things parents never found out about. Duh. #smartkids #fewspankings
tayfan2 3 months ago
@tayfan2 Some men beat their wives out of love. I've heard them say it. I believe it too.
TruthSerum101 3 months ago
@TruthSerum101 We're from southern stock. : ) Read what I wrote to robert about this being a new era. I'm willing to try other than what I was raised with because I took the time to understand my child instead of rigid rules. Battered women should just run. Everyone defines love differently.
tayfan2 3 months ago
@tayfan2 I'm also from the south but this is not just a southern thing, of course. The thing is they beat you while you're still a baby, so you grow up thinking it's normal - kids idolize their parents but damaged people damage people and the cycle goes on and on and on.
TruthSerum101 3 months ago
@TruthSerum101 I guess the wives believe it too cause they show be sticking around. Personally, I'd extra-cate myself quickly from a situation like that. "What's Love Got To Do With It" - Tina Turner
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
In my family, the kids who were beaten, are the two with major issues. They are in their twenties now. They are both lost. They aren't monsters but the damage shows. Ironically, their mom is a social worker and the only bible thumper in my family. The dad was totally against beating kids and eventually got custody but by then the kids were in their teens. Both parents have masters degrees and these kids barely made it out of high school. One just got a GED. She beat them in Jesus' name.
TruthSerum101 3 months ago
@TruthSerum101 I think that can be the worst type of spanking: "in jesus name". whoop me cause I did something wrong; not cause Jesus told you to. lol.
I'm sure it's about equal ppl who were spanked and those who weren't who have problems. Don't know if there's a study and don't care; I just know what I think and feel about the subject.
I know ppl feel very strongly about some things, and they have to utilize their own judgements in their families/lives.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs There have been studies for years - TONS. The research is there but alas, beating kids is a religion for some. Damaged people walking around who think it's okay to physically attack others affects all of us. I care about child abuse the way I care about children being fed. Children are the most vulnerable. The vast majority of children who are murdered, are murdered by one of their parents. Because everybody doesn't physically die from abuse, doesn't mean they are okay.
TruthSerum101 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs LOL Yes, whooping in Jesus name has probably created a lot of atheists. Never heard that one before.
tayfan2 3 months ago
I had to take my underwear off the just sit there, sometimes I could not sit down for the rest of the night.
krissjean 3 months ago
@krissjean was this a continuation of something? I missed it, if so.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
Find one psychological study to support what you advocate in this video. Often what happened to us, is normalized and neutralized because that's all we know. Some people are "ok" in spite of abuse, not because of it.. No amount of cultural sanctioning will change that for me. Slavery was normal at one time too; and ironically where many Africans first started beating the '"F" out of their kids. The reasons are obvious.
TruthSerum101 3 months ago
@TruthSerum101 now you know I ain't looking for no psycho studies esp since I ain't got no kids and don't plan on attaining any. I can only speak from my experience and what I see around me, and I do believe that some of these bad ass kids could use a spanking cause whatever they getting now ain't working. hah aha a
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs Man, you sound like Herman 'Caine talking like that.
"If segregation was good enough for my daddy, well then, it's good enough for me."
-the words of Herman 'Caine
Those "bad ass kids" you're talking about learned how to be violent because they were taught violence. I know it's difficult to understand that concept if you've already internalized your own abuse and associated it with loving feelings. No one is saying your parents didn't love you. They just didn't know any better.
PostSurgeOperative 3 months ago
@PostSurgeOperative Actually many of these kids haven't been getting spankings. There's many places to learn violence. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. and the quote just does not apply or even relate.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs I don't mind debate if the other person makes considered arguments, but all I hear from you is, "well, that's my opinion", and "that's my experience". You've admitted you aren't knowledgeable about the literature on this subject matter; if you really don't know, then how can you honestly 'disagree'?
In any case, just because you never plan to have children is not a good reason to cling to folk wisdom. Please disabuse yourself of your ignorance:
nopunish. net/pwp-ch1. htm
PostSurgeOperative 3 months ago
@PostSurgeOperative I also am on here and post videos for debate on subjects that come up. Because I don't know the 'literature' on a subject does not mean that I can't talk about experience and paradigms. We all see things through a different lens. If you need literature to back up (or dictate) your feelings; that's fine. It's not my operation. This isn't coming from an 'expert'; this is coming from a functioning human being.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@PostSurgeOperative we don't stoop to calling names on my videos. You can debate, chat, disagree; but please be an adult about it. Thanks. or just don't come back. easy enough.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniace Ok, now I KNOW you're trolling. Good job!
PostSurgeOperative 3 months ago
@PostSurgeOperative I'm "trolling" on my own videos. That's rich! Like I said, play nice or stay away. I'm very familiar with that block button and won't miss you at all though I appreciate your views and your stated opinions on the subject.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago
@obamamaniacs A lot of "bad ass" kids are already getting beaten. That's the caveat. Beating a child is the worst IMO. I don't like the idea of hitting puppies either - makes them crazier. Basically, using violence teaches violence. Children merely learn to be sneaky with their stuff to avoid a beating. The lesson is not really learned.
Additionally, "bad ass" is often just childlike behavior that is inconvenient for the parent at the time.
TruthSerum101 3 months ago
@TruthSerum101 now I know you done seen some of these bad kids that aren't just "kid" behavior on the trains or even in the streets and at the theater. I don't believe that spanking necessarily teaches violence as the answer; as it never taught me or my brothers that but we had quite a few forms of punishment and spanking was generally the 'final straw'.
obamamaniacs 3 months ago