the name of the rose part 3

[Uriahsgrandma]

The old man is awesome! And very comical I might add! Lol! He speaks of the coming of the lord. Take note how long ago these ages where. Even from then till now we hold fast,...those whom are called.

[azboomer1950]

right, a negro monk in western europe in the middle ages. very believable. pc hollywood strikes again!

[truvianni]

@azboomer1950 Of course there were many attitudes in the middle ages but I can give an example that the Romans contrary to what some might have believed were not racists. There was even a black emperor though I do not remember his name so perhaps racism was also not so great in the middle ages.

[ZwolfZki]

I'm guessing it turns out that this is the handy work of Oddjob.

[Zamolxx]

I've been looking for the name of the chant the monks sing at 4:10. It's so beautiful, does anyone know what they are singing?!

[SunnyJim33]

@Zamolxx

I agree, it's lovely. The chant is called "Veni Sancte Spiritus". You can find it on Youtube - and all the rest of the music from the film - just look for "the name of the rose soundtrack".

Hope this helps! :))

[Zamolxx]

I've listen to the sountrack, that is not it. In fact I've searched for other gregorian chants that might resemble the words and rythm of the chant the monks do in this scene and I haven't found it.

[SunnyJim33]

@Zamolxx

You're right. Now, however, I think I've cracked it! Look up URBS JERUSALEM BEATA - there's one here:

y o u t u b e. c o m/w a t c h ?v = 0 r 9 X 7 w 5 H F u 0 (remove spaces) - singing starts at 0:45.

ENJOY!!

[Zamolxx]

Thank you so much sir, I love you for this!

[SunnyJim33]

@Zamolxx

You're welcome!

[siliyemoodislam]

the make up in this movie reminds me of Depeche Mode's song Walking in my Shoes!

[siliyemoodislam]

I wish I could live at that era, great architecture...Romanesque up to the Gothic!

[chimptor50]

What a moist and cold time it was! Oh, what times are these when a young black man can be shoved into a giant vase of pig's blood whilst a rotund albino weeps in horror, with a fine manicure I might add! Weird? Prehaps.

[siliyemoodislam]

@chimptor50 He is not black, he is chinese!

[philiplyndonsaunders]

5:35 reference to the corrupt pope's in Dante's Inferno

[annerbananr]

The earth and sun and moon should be looked upon as our gods. Let's remember that they allow us to live. Christianity and all other religions arose from the belief that the sun is our god.

[TheOwlkin]

@ModifiedEvelyn: Amerikkan sounds so exotic lol.

[PiperFreeze06]

Even though it has had its dark periods of history and its many current problems, I am proud to be a Roman Catholic girl in America.

[drumsrule1011]

4:25-4:33 is one of my favorite parts.

[barnabyfraser]

It was an ugly time in European History, but an even worse time would come 20 years later peaking in 1348. The Black Death. 

[rulocheewe]

do someone know the name of the first gregorian chant?

[Mecete09]

monk = a way to be openly homosexual in mideval times

[CHINEKEDIIGWEADAMMA]

what an horrible era to live in...

[stah1973]

@CHINEKEDIIGWEADAMMA After 700 years they'll say the same about us. :)

[CHINEKEDIIGWEADAMMA]

@stah1973 lol I believe so...

[friskobum]

does anybody know what Gregorian chant the monks are singing at 4:08??

[JW6QAB091]

O TEMPORA ,O MORES. et facta est.

[gargulecki]

reminds me one mission in clive barker's undying great old scary game

[TheWisemonkey8]

Just what you need... you little bugger.

[PHANTOMZ0NE]

The legs sticking out of the pigs blood barrel is reminiscent of the simonists' punishment in Dante's inferno.

[Cool2BCeltic]

Isn't the chapel in this clip similar to the classroom in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone where Hermione puts Ron straight on the way to pronounce "vingardium leviosa".

[BlahArmy]

c la fin du mondeeeeeeee

[JefErickson]

I can't help but bring this on/off topic (whichever u like ;)), but I just LOVE their singing and that short panning shot of the mountains - beautifully mixed, puts chills to my back every time! ^^ Too bad this song isn't on the soundtrack - there are two similar ones, but not this particular song...

[cantleysugar]

I don't think the legs at 5.37 are supposed to be funny, but they always make me laugh!

[dinosammy1]

Go Israel

[Cool2BCeltic]

Notice how the chapel is similar to one of the classrooms in the Harry Potter films. Also, when reading the first two Harry Potter books I couldn't help but feel that the plot of both books was influenced a bit by The Name of the Rose.

[LyraMeldy]

the novel is even better...

[MondoBeno]

I loved this movie. It's dark, mistly, dirty, creepy, and claustrophobic. Every guy in the film looks evil.

[lollipopfop]

LOl. Yeah. We are all lucky that the Age of reason showed up. You have to admit if the Church had its way that would still be us today.

[MondoBeno]

The church's power diminished years earlier.

The Black Death weakened the dominance of the church, then the Renaissance came along, and private businesses became more powerful. The Reformation further weakened the Pope.

By the time the "Age of Reason" came along, the Catholic Church had severely lost ground.

[gyreenedoc]

@lollipopfop yeah.. more than likely you are right..... but i'd still prefer

that than what it would be like if pat robertsons and jerry falwells running

the show....watcha think?

[etechjoe]

Religion has allways tried to spook it followers. Thats the only way it has a chance to survive the ages..Every turn of the century they think the world is going to end Now its 2012. they never give up. But at last science is catching up real fast

[dinosammy1]

@etechjoe OH like the Hoax Global Warming stupidity you idiots have for a religion.... We need more Christ in our lives LESS SCIENCE

[zatoichi1969]

@dinosammy1 hey, hey, hey, would jesus act like you are acting. play nice.

[zatoichi1969]

@dinosammy1 idiots like you make me want to say duhhh, when you make statements like this.

[poussecafe3]

do monks sleep with their day clothes on. No wonder people think monks have dirty habits.

[tinaturntable]

@poussecafe3 Boom! Boom!

[jimmykicker7775]

God, what a bunch of idiot-assed superstitious morons. Its a wonder the Europeans ever survived past the 15th century...

[rwnperso]

And a country that was ready to have S. Palin as V. Pres......., I wonder how superstitious that is, and how backward

[coolbrian15]

thats stupied to whip yourself to much effort, their are other firms of pennace such as wearing a hair shirt or barb wire braclet

[RKGalery]

As if other forms of mortification of flesh made more sense...

[jimmykicker7775]

As if alot of anything they did in the 12-15th centuries made any real "sense" With the exception of the rennaisance, these people were a few steps above animals.

[kotepp]

urbs jerusalem beata ........

is a prayer sung ...in this movie

[kotepp]

Urbs jerusalem beata

dicta pacis visio

Quæ construitur in coelis

Vivis ex lapidibus

[DanceTheSpears]

Is that a real prayer or something? Im not Catholic so I have no idea.

[hdir7ay39sbdjbh220zk]

1:20 beautiful:-DDD

[jamaicanlager]

DDD

Probably what your report card looked like.

[MAPIAKALLAS]

I have to say that the catholic church did all it need it to do in the past or today in the present to be what its today and i dont think it should change yes in the past they did a couple of mistakes but we all do mistakes at times thats all Plus catholics are the oldes instituion in the world rich in history art and many other things

[SVPman]

god doesn't exists. think (You all) about it and take from yours lifes as much as possible.

[bersa888]

Your statement says nothing while explaining a great deal.

[Dekiekkepreuten]

Sorry my friend you just joined the club of the hypocrites ! ! Art was often forced upon artists such ask Bruegel whose family was murdered for the Christian art ! ! If you were awere of it ! !

[MAPIAKALLAS]

yes im but the art still beautiful and thats what it counts sorry about there familys but we have now beautiful art thats all..

[whatagreenday794]

this movie does a very poor job of showing how the medieval era really was

[DANEo2o2]

it's a movie, not a documentary

[whatagreenday794]

your mother's a documentary. but nice try at refuting it.

[jimmykicker7775]

Just think of the shittiest, depressing, poverty and disease ridden conditions imaginable, and you have the average mideval day.

[equimentor]

@jimmykicker7775 I think you dont know many things about medieval times...

[truvianni]

@equimentor of course what it was really like none will ever know who is living today yet we can get an idea to draw up images of what it could have been like though the complete truth has gone with those who lived those days.

[papwalker99]

@truvianni They wrote copious amounts on exactly what it was like. Geoffrey Chaucer

c. 1343 – 25 October 1400 wrote at least ten major works. There are hundreds of other Authors you can read if your want.

[Shanniquitie]

@jimmykicker7775 ...actually, you have modern africa/most of india/most of asia.

[dragonlordsam]

@jimmykicker7775 i don't think it was meant funny, but this was one of the funniest things i have ever read XD

[elenore88]

@jimmykicker7775 actually I think it's always wiser to go to cultures that are a similar stage of development and value systems (although the second is harder) and see the similarities.

[elenore88]

something that I find interesting in this film is that it does sort of shadow or show the reality of what can happen in christianity when the bible is taken out of peoples hands and interpreted through those in power, how they wish it to be. when you own Gods voice, so to speak, you own God. And when christianity (or whatever version of it exists in the land) is the national religion, you own everyone, pretty much.

So shut out or down the bibles voice, and you can rule in Gods name.

[Francesko263]

@jimmykicker7775 typical stupid american point of view. middle age was one of the greatest moment in western history.

[siliyemoodislam]

@jimmykicker7775 wrong, Dark Ages probably but Medieval was the age of self discovering!

[TheAccidentalMonk]

@siliyemoodislam

A lot of the period known as the Dark Ages coincided with the period labeled the Middle Ages (aka Medieval times). So depending on what specific time period you're looking at, jimmykickers assertion can said to be both right and wrong.

[LibertyWaxlips]

@jimmykicker7775 Read the inquisition's diaries regarding the French village of 'Montaillou' and you'll realize how wrong you are: it wasn't that grim.

[zmeeedorg]

@jimmykicker7775

Yes, drug addicted, AIDS ridden and terror stricken average today sure feels much better.

[MintySpunkBubble]

If there ever was, and had been a God, he would have rid the world of Catholicism from the beginning.

[MAPIAKALLAS]

huy excuse me nooo i think you are wrong the world would not be the same without the contribution we the catholic made to this world all the history art and culture. thats all thank you...

[whatagreenday794]

blaming the church for just about every social evil is a vestige of French enlightenment thinking. The church was an essential leaping point for all intellectual activity

[DanceTheSpears]

I couldnt agree more. Im glad to see someone not thinking with their ass and spouting complete shit.

[maple1212]

damn right! here here!

[Loquatorix]

4:08 minuta pelliculae incipitur cantus, quem comprehendere non possum. scitne quidam vestrum, quid hoc sit?

[robileinkanonaki]

Beata Viscera

[Loquatorix]

falleris, iam ipse reperi. cantatur: "urbs Jerusalem beata, dicta pacis visio, quae construitur in caelis vivis ex lapidibus"

[sumohuty]

not christianity, catholicism

[Stoub]

If I may offer my opinion I would say that it was an ugly time for humanity in general.

Whether administering such extremes in the name of Christianity or Catholicism doesn't matter. I would argue that all ideologies would serve as such a facade for a violent time.

[Jorben84]

Christianity and catholicism is the same thing...

[Dekiekkepreuten]

Really ! ? ! ?

[bobtommsncom]

the inquisition was an ugly time for christianity

[lollipopfop]

It lasted an awfully long time, and the Catholic church did not willingly stop the atrocities because they realized their error. The monarchies and the Protestants forced the end of the Inquisition. The church probably still has the office of the grand inquisitor in Rome. I doubt they are even sorry.

[threestoogesfan2]

as a catholic, let me just say that our church acknowledges the mistakes we have made in the past and we are doing our best to build bridges.

[fancyflier]

Every organised religion, of every denomination, has, at some point in its history, been corrupted from its core beliefs by the political, financial or megalomaniac weakness of those who purported to serve or lead. It is part of the fallability of the human race that this is so. Protestantism, Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, Catholicism and all other religions are stained with the blood of human weakness.

[Justino111]

very well said, very well said. with your permission, i would like to copy your phrase - its cleverness is praiseworthy.

[fancyflier]

copy away :) Its not really clever, just thinking aloud as it were

[whatagreenday794]

you're lack of intelligence is blameworthy. you have a small penis

[Justino111]

whatagreenday794: grow up, moron.

[Dekiekkepreuten]

Very good ! !

[whatagreenday794]

do you even know what megalomaniac means? "the blood of human weakness" is the reason retards like you are even allowed to have you tube accounts. and you have small penis

[Shanniquitie]

@fancyflier stained with the blood of human weakness? your comment is scented with the shit of human bullcrap.

[Clairescool99]

@Shanniquitie Its because you cant understand it you fuckin idiot. lol

[Clairescool99]

@fancyflier Very well said.

[animationeer]

@fancyflier It is true, what you say....It is not religion itself that corrupts, but power associated with it. TRUE religious people don't have a lot of power, they just try to live their lives spiritually, it's the ones that take ADVANTAGE of the control that comes with certain religions that are the bad ones...they are not interested in being religious, but to gain power for themselves.

[Fruerik]

@fancyflier Or perhaps it eventually lead to that if the views and ideas you hold is based on ancient, some times dystopic, fairy tales instead of logic and reason; that is, philosophy and the study of human action, (austrian) economics.

[Francesko263]

@fancyflier You make confusion between religion and faith.

[fauxsham]

@Francesko263 no I don't, I didn't mention faith or belief, I was talking about religion, that is, the organisation of a set of beliefs. Don't tell me what I mean or don't mean.

[Francesko263]

@fauxsham Religion is faith. If you don't get this point, you will always be on the wrong way.

[fauxsham]

@Francesko263 balderdash, I have faith in a lot of things which have nothing whatever to do with religion, I can vest my faith in other people, in myself, and in the world, it has nothing to do with belonging to a religion. I am quite comfortable being wrong if it means I can mind my own spiritual business :-)

[Francesko263]

@fauxsham They had faith on the Bible and they did believe in God. You can't judge the past through the eyes of the present. Imagine what people will say about us in the next 200 years. Our society has other values that are a true religion (worship of money, the true God of our society, being priests played by economists and money makers). Religion was the essence of feudal society and feudal Europe. Today we do believe in financial market, really insane.

[rwnperso]

They do have the office, the present Pope, Ratzinger, was head of it for years, even if the name was changeed