why did iraq pay for what suddam did? dont act like pharoah was the only one terorising the israelites. look up egyptian snake charmers. they know sensitive points on a cobras head which imobilise it. they make it look like a stick and when they throw it to the floor it regains mobility. the red blood thing was only a dye which they used in the making of bricks.
@junejuly111 LOGIC SUCKS!!! DO WE THINK WE'RE NATURALLY GOOD? WE'RE ALL CORRUPTED AND SINFUL DOWN RIGHT TO OUR SHOES AND WE THINK WE KNOW BETTER THAN GOD?
STOP MAKING THE HOLY WORD DIRTY!!!
DID WE CREATE THE UNIVERSE? WHY DO WE THINK WE KNOW BETTER THAN GOD?
DID WE SEND OUR SONS TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF OUR ENEMY?
IT IS SATAN WHO OPPRESS US EVERYDAY AND WE WILLINGLY SERVE HIM, WE SERVE THE DESTROYED BY MOCKING THE HOLY ONE.
TURN TO GOD, PLEASE EVERYONE, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!
Simply put : God's Mercy and God's Justice. Mercy because God allowed pharoh to be arrogant and gave him the freedom to do whatever he wanted, the reason of that is that God wanted Pharod to get his case worse and destroy himself with his own hands for the judgment day. God's justice, in the judgment day, pharoh won't feel any injustice and won't wonder why he's buring in hell for ever he knows he deserves it.
And the fact that you're doing this video is also a proof of God's mercy and justice
My question about this story has always been "Where did the pharoh's men get water from to show that they could turn it into blood if all of the water was already blood?"
HAHA. In the last part you said, "as we continue to implement rational thought concerning the story of Moses." Good luck with that my friend. lol Great video.
Each plague was a biting satire against the Egyptians. Poetic justice. God works with intent whenever he moves. Each plague mocked the many prides of Egypt, in the face of the Pharoah's pride. Also you tend to separate each story from each other and make them sound like the Bible umps from one story to another with no rhyme or reason like a book of fables. The old testament is a complex interwoven collection of books written over hundreds of years that connect to each other seemlessly.
In some bibles it says " god hardened Pharaoh's heart", but I have read other translations..newer ones where it says "Pharaoh's heart hardened". It's clear BS, people change a few words hear and there that really change the meaning, that makes it difficult for me to believe anyone still believes the bible is the word of god. The bible is the end result of the most extensive game of "telephone" ever played, I doubt it resembles the original work very much at all.
Moses with the help of his friend God turned ALL the water into blood. How then did Pharaoh's magigians then turn water into blood. As ALL the water was already blood? Wouldn't it have been more intelligent for Pharaoh to change all the blood back into water, after all they would need something to drink? The story of Moses is fiction.
other than that the story of Moses propably never happened to me the whole BuyBull is bunch of Bs wriiten by savage bronze age immoral men who didnt know any better.
im not a theist but im a play devils advocate, theist would say God purposely hardened Pharoah's heart so he could show Pharoah who is the true God and i also heard that each plague represented God destroying a egypitan God, for instance no sun (Rah) killing babies (the god of fertility) etc.
It didn't happen.Zero archaeological or written historical record of it.
Consider yourself refuted.If your counter argument is some dusty old book written by slave owning genocidal bronze age dersert savages oh do please fuck off.
I know that there is no archaeological or written historical record of it. That's not what i am getting to here, lets step away from the nontruthfulness of bible for a sec and look at what theist would say when they are approached with the fact that the bible is immoral because of this story. That is what they would say.
I know its still wrong to kill innocent babies just to prove this imaginary sky beings power and purposefully hardened Pharoah's heart so he wouldn't let them go even if he wanted to.
Here's a more realistic version. Moses was a Sumerian, not a Jew. The story is centuries older than Judaism. The Jews were never in captivity in Egypt, even Israeli archeologists admit there is absolutely no historical or archeological evidence for the story.
It is an old Sumerian story that the Jews rewrote for their own purposes..
The Babylonian captivity did happen. That is when and where Judaism was invented, based on Babylonian and Sumerian myths, legends, and religious practices.
If GOD is so compasionate, why would He make the whole nation of Egypt suffer for Pharoes actions?? Besides, If GOD creared the earth, sky, sea, moon, sun, and stars, the ten plagues sound like BS. Never mind that those same ten plagues have been discredited by science. OHH no God just smited me **sight***
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Dude obviously you have the Devil in you because if you were a true believer what so ever at all you would have all trust in God. And if he wasmt real wow then everybody dies and goes to the same place as eachother but what if he is UH oh ! looks like your going to hell nobody can prove the bible WRONG not 1 person maybe u have opinions but not 1 in this whole world can prove it wrong! how about that scientific fact for you! Its true to!
If God really existed, It wouldn`t make any sense to send atheists to hell. Why would he? Because they didn`t believe he exists? Why would god need People to believe in him?
I mean, HE knows he exists or doesn`t he?
The only people who need you believing in GOD are the church-leaders
Doesn't the bible say god loves everyone? So even Atheists. So there is no risk by becoming Atheist
Yeah,sounds like god has a self confidence problem and has to have his oh so powerful godly ego massaged.
But if I was god I'd be getting massaged by pretty laydee's who passed me nice phat spliffs rolled on their dusky thighs and moisened shut with...well,you get the picture!
I'd be a fun god,everybody would come to my church,The house of celestial pleasure,lots of free jelly and icecream and NO fire and brimstone!
Water into wine? Na, jus turning frowns into smiles,aaah!
I'll need a bunch of 'high' priests,you up for it Zerosnider mate?
It'll be a zero carbon emission green church so there will be vaporisers in all the pews and we'll heat the place with books of religious dogma and I'll call myself Catma Gandhi.
Ah,vestal virgins needed?
Hot atheists will do,pm's to the Peach and ZOMgitsCriss already sent!
@Rockster969 no prob and dont forget we need stone tablets like the new ten commandments (we may need more then 10 commandments) stuff like thou shall not own a slave or better yet thou shall not rape or do animal sacrifices ooooo u know how god gets when it comes to rape and sacrifing it gets him all hot and bothered ROFL
I was more thinking tablets to get stoned with,I mean we've got to have a sacrament,something to REALLY offend judaeo christian sensibilities....
Ah,got it! I could grow magic mushrooms on christian communion wafers so we can get all high and spiritual with the vestal babes,lets have none of this dead jewish zombie flesh eater stuff,it scares the kids!
the thing that baffles me is why God went to Moses about this, when he should had appeared to Pharaoh in person. I'll bet the pharaoh would have quickly obayed God then.
In the bible is say's people will begin to change and be against God. And it is happening now in these days. as time goes by we are getting into the last days. only God can help those who are blind
in my idea of heaven, i'd be with my ex-girlfriend for the rest of time, in Her heaven, she'd be as far away from me as possible. there is a conflict of interest here.
Most of Israel was captured as slaves. When the work was completed, they were simply booted out of Egypt (this according to Egyptian historians.)
Over time they rediscovered their Yahve myth, their "one true god", and resurrected some shred of dignity by then creating the Moses figure and of course the Torah, which we know was penned by scribes over a long period of time.
Either that, or the burning bush, snake/rod thing, Red Sea...
@rationalmuscle Actually, Egyptian historians recorded NOTHING about Jews ever being enslaved, ever being in Egypt, the Exodus, etc. Those stories were written several hundred years after they alledgedly took place.
@rationalmuscle You're welcome. Egyptian maps from the alledged time of David and Solomon don't even show a country called Judah or Israel. They do, however, show Canaan. The theory is that the Jews about 700 BC, the time a lot of the Old Testament was written, were jealous of the more advanced Egyptians, so they wrote myths that denigrated them.
@xcellken1 Yes, I remember that now... interesting stuff. I know that a lot of the NT myths of hell and resurrection came from other influences as well; both are strangely absent from the OT.
If I can't have sex with young beautyful girls, and intoxicate myself on alcohol in heaven. Then heaven isn't really heaven for me.
And If I have to live there FOREVER, then I have to pass anyway. No matter if I can do whatever I like. When 10000 yrs have gone. I'm pretty sure I will BEG to DIE.
YOU are fooooolish. LMAO. YOU ARE BLIND. CAN'T YOU SEE THAT VISHNU IS THE REAL GOD AND THAT HE WANTS YOU TO LIVE FOREVER? AND HE HAS SENT YOU A DEMON CALLED 'JESUS' TO BLIND YOU? CAN'T YOU SEE THAT YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR ALL-CAPS BUTTON STUCK IN THE "ON" POSITION?????????
Please. Continue to be stupid. We all need our comic relief with our coffee in the morning.
lol, you think you're better than us because we think just a bit harder of what we're told, instead of listening and memorizing like you do. there is no devil.
Didn't God harden Pharaoh's heart or something, so he wouldn't agree after the first couple of plagues? Obviously that would add a whole new level of ridiculousness to the story, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened if I'm remembering correctly.
Yes, Pharaoh did get his heart hardened by Yahweh. Apparently, Yahweh likes getting into pissing matches with himself. Certainly not the action of a benevolent deity to be sure.
God maybe real, but I do not see enough evidence to support it. The bible is miscalculated historical events, and prehistoric knowledge.Most of what is in it is stories passed down, rewritten.The plagues are most likely, just unknown natural events misunderstood, it if really happened. .
Another key issue with this story which you may or may not have noticed, is that pharaoh did not have a choice in the matter. (Exodus 4:21) God hardened his heart so that he could purposely have fun with his killing and torturing. This is a good passage to bring up when christians bring up free will.
My favorite part of the book of Exodus is God going on and on about how to build the Tabernacle. Moses spends just a few verses talking about Adam and Eve eating the fruit, Cain killing Abel, a chapter or so on Noah's Ark, etc., but spends like 5 chapters talking about the design and construction of the Tabernacle. As one blogger put it, it reads like an instruction manual from Ikea. And where did they get the materials to build this thing? Was there a Home Depot in the Sinai Penninsula?
@WoAiNiJesus you must be a prophet - can you turn my water bottle into wine please??
Oh God? Well if he wanted to impress me he could send down his son Jebus to roundhouse kick Chuck Norris in the head and save.. I don't know.. a bunch of school children from a burning.. bush? Yes I said bush.. Until then friend do we have an accord? C'mon it's not that difficult for an omnipotent celestial supa-daddy can't do.. he did that trick with the Staffs N Snakes right? How hard could that be?
I am very glad I found your channel....it was one of the *suggestions* at the top of the my youtube page. You are GOOD. I am hearing ideas on the bible that I haven't heard before, and I am planning to audit every single video...yours is a fresh approach.
Well wasn't wandering in the desert punishment from God or something along those lines?
Though I think a better argument is to show that there is no evidence of a tribe measuring in the thousands making that Exodus, yet we can find small hundred person camps that old. Nor is there any presence of them in Egyptian culture. Had they actually been in Egypt, some of the words in their langauges would be absorbed by the other, Pharoah has no name at no time was Egypt's army destroyed by the sea.
Of course, this is amusing and well told except that the elements that make this story worthwhile are removed specifically to highlight this mans thoughts on how ridiculous the story is. This is a vast generalization of the story of Moses and it has none of the didactic points which make the story purposeful. The story properly told, is not ridiculous at all.
It may have a purpose and points to make but overall it is pretty ridiculous.
That these people were stupid enough to make up a god literally, on the spot, when it doesn't really happen like that, after seeing incredible miracles is pretty silly.
The very fact that God "hardened Pharoah's heart" shows this God really isn't into Free Will.
Not to mention there's 0 archelogical evidence to support any significant aspect of the story. Pharoh doesn't even have a name.
It's not ridiculous and I wouldn't think that they made up a god on the spot. It's more likely that they returned to a god of the Egyptians.
Actually, evidence supports that a decree was made to kill of the male children of the "Asiatics" during the reign of Sobekhotep IV in the Middle Dynasties.
About "Pharaoh's hardened heart," you're forgetting that the perspective of the writer has a great deal to do with the account written.
Also, I should mention that it's a common feature in scripture to not record the name of someone you associate with evil behavior. Take for instance the parable of Lazarus and the unnamed Rich Man which is so often confused as being an account of hell.
Or they didn't spend any time in Egypt and didn't really know Pharoah was a title and not a name.
There's also the fact that no trace of hebrew is found in Egyptian languages and vice-versa. Had they actually spent time in Egypt this would happen naturally.
No evidence of the nile turning to blood. That would have been hard to miss.
No evidence of thousands of people wandering for 40 years when we can find camps of fewer than a hundred from the same time period.
God literally says "I have hardened Pharoah's heart" Is God being misquoted here, and if so, in how many other parts of the Bible can we expect this to happen?
What part of the story is the "Asiatics" supposed to correlate to?
To my knowledge, the Egyptians didn't have a golden calf as a God. It also makes no mention that they were going back to Egyptian gods, it says "let us make Gods".
Plus they didn't worship Egyptian gods while in Egypt, why do it after their God kicked his ass?
Who said that they didn't worship Egyptian gods while in Egypt? They didn't have the 10 Commandments which restricted their worship at that time to 1 God.
God also literally says that "Pharaoh will harden his own heart" so there was no need for God to harden pharaoh's heart at all. This is the writer's way of ascribing powerful works to God - also common in scripture.
The the death of the male children of the Asiatics correlates with the birth sequence of Moses.
Just because that story has a parallel does not mean it actually happened to the Hebrews, and still nothing from his senient life, none of his actions he was supposedly involvved in have left a trace outside the Bible. No commentary that the Nile ever turned to blood, no mixture of languages, no sign of an exodus for 40 years in a desert.
They were still his chosen people, and still there were no golden cows that I'm aware of in Egyptian culture. It also says "let us make gods".
I beg to differ. In Egyptian theology you'll find Hapi-ankh who took the form of a bull calf. He was the god of strength, fertility and vigor - all three of which they would need if they were to establish themselves as a nation.
About the first paragraph, I'll have to write that out on my free time and place it in a series of responses some other time.
From the research I've done, and I'm not totally sure, but the pharoah's that were around during the time of the Exodus (sometime between 13 or 14th century B.C.) lived around Thebes. Your Hapi cow was worshipped mainly around Memphis, which was much further north.
Also, it says "make gods".
Also, given the many many miracles they supposedly witnessed it seems strange they'd abandon the God that got them out of egypt and destroyed Pharoah's army in an instant to go worship the losing god.
About the miracles, Moses had been missing for 40 days when he climbed Mt. Sinai. It's possible that they thought that Moses was dead and that, because Moses was the mediator between God and them, that they have somehow lost His favor. Fear drives people to do things that they otherwise wouldn't rationally do, I'm sure you know this.
Also, Israel settled in the land of Goshen in the northern most part of Egypt on the eastern most side of the Nile delta. It's makes a lot of sense to believe that they were more greatly influenced by the culture of Memphis than by that of Thebes since Memphis was closer.
While fear does as you say, this does not explain the story.:
"He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'"
They literally made a god and then claimed IT was what got them out of Egypt. It wasn't "oh we lost our connection to God, let's get another".
The fact they so easily do this should concern you that they made one up once before.
You're forgetting about oral tradition. You're forgetting the symbolism of the calf and it's tie to strength and you're forgetting that they needed to appease a god which they believed could both protect them and aid them to establish themselves. Of course, they would credit their idol with getting them out of Egypt, otherwise, what would they tell their descendants? That they betrayed their savior God?
If I grant you that possibility then you'll have to grant me the opposite. Of course they would credit Yahwey with getting them out of Egypt, otherwise, what would they tell their descendants?
Why is it possible for them at the first sign of trouble to make up a God and yet impossible for them to have done it before then or since? If thier character was as such that they needed to appease a god which they believed could help\protect them doesn't that cast doubt on the entire OT?
First question - terms granted, but don't forget that the God which brought them out of Egypt had identified himself both through Joseph and through Moses. The symbolism behind the serpent and the snake in the story is very important to the unfolding of the story.
Second question - It is possible, but I don't believe that they just up and made a god as the symbol of the calf existed in the culture they escaped as a godly manifestation.
Last question - Their character is meant to be didactic. It is the tie between us and them. The whole OT is the account of Israel's struggle with idolatry.
Is meant? What do you mean "meant". Wasn't that just how they are? Are you implying God wanted them that way?
There are so many Christians and Muslims that believe to the extream everything in their religion without ANY supernatural events happening. That is why it seems unlikely that Israel would continually question the guy that keeps doing so many amazing things.
The diciples were always surprised Jesus did something, even if he had done it already recently.
"don't forget that the God which brought them out of Egypt had identified himself both through Joseph and through Moses"
So says the book they wrote. Had Moses not come down don't ya think they'd have said the cow revealed himself?
"Second question"
It says "let us made" not, let's worship pre-existing. Plus from what I can tell that Calf god wasn't worshipped in that area at that time. Double-check me please I could be wrong but that's what I've found so far.
But the *full gospel* sects think god is passing out gifts of healing and speaking in other tongues and lots of other fun stuff, and it seems to be enough for them. Several years ago there was a movement they said was from their god called *holy laughter*. Very VERY creepy.
Their great god who a couple thousand years ago led them with pillars of fire and opened paths in the sea has now been reduced to a few silly parlor tricks. Supernatural? Pfffft. Glad I'm out of it, aren't you?
Nah man. Guys like you are heros. You have the balls to go on Youtube and take on theists. I don't have the patience or the mental stamina. But all you guys and girls in the atheist community on Youtube have made me a "smarter" atheist. Whether it's theology or science, you guys arm me with the knowledge to take on all fallacies. I never thought I would ever know as much as I do about evolution, cosmology, thermodynamics and theology. Keep up the great work you do.
I think a lot of us want to protect others from the abuse we went through and make up for the damage we have done. I think there is no more kind, loving or humane thing we can do than to free someone's mind for the abuse of religious mythology. I have been abused by religion, inflicted the abuse of religion on others, and now I am trying to free others form this plight. I must say I only stand in the shadow of others on You tube. I learn more on more every day here and try to pass it on.
Remember that it says that God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" (Exodus 7:3, 9:12, 10:1, 20, 27, 11:10), so that he would refuse Moses's demands.
Yeah, that's right -- God set Pharaoh up so that God could cause more misery and kill innocent Egyptians, instead of simply letting Pharaoh give in to Moses's demands of his accord.
God could have just made all of the Egyptians fall asleep so that the Isrealites could escape. But instead, he had to go through the rivers of blood, the frogs, locusts, darkness, and all that other stuff. And let's not forget the killing of babies.
Consider this. Have you looked at Egypt and Israel on a map? It's like a 2 week walk- a month at worst. What were they doing walking circles for 40 years? Either the story didn't happen or Moses is the worst tour guide ever. And God wasn't much of help either. I mean, he's God!! Couldn't he have said, "Hey, you're going the wrong way. It's over there."
Oh, and an addendum onto that as well. Egypt had armies in Canaan around that time, where the Israelites apparently fled to. If the Bible is true they would have been escaping right into a trap.
Heh, this god is a murderer!
keEinn45 3 months ago
It's a classic tale of my serpent can beat up your serpent. Ahhh that take me back to bording school.
newperve 5 months ago
I'm sick of people comparing Michael jackson to god, I mean he's good but he's not Michael
Lumbricus127 6 months ago
thumbed up. clear and concise. but can it break through the wall of dogma. fingers crossed.
kram83au 7 months ago
/watch?v=6_iHjX2eDY8
Cloyde100 8 months ago
Are you related to anyone with the last name Denny, by chance?
arknihil 8 months ago
I tell u who did the other snakes satan that's are you another one mocking God
THEMAKDON 1 year ago
why did iraq pay for what suddam did? dont act like pharoah was the only one terorising the israelites. look up egyptian snake charmers. they know sensitive points on a cobras head which imobilise it. they make it look like a stick and when they throw it to the floor it regains mobility. the red blood thing was only a dye which they used in the making of bricks.
soldier9718 1 year ago
"the Wisdom "of mankind is foolishness to God.
TR5T 1 year ago
And you think being out of faith is freedom! YOU'RE THE IDIOT!!!
GOD SENT THE PLAGUE TO SHOW HIS GLORY IN EGYPT.
DO NOT TURN THE HOLY WORD OF OUR FATHER INTO SOMETHING AS STUPID AS HOW YOU MAKE IT!!
The Bible is NOT A FAIRY TALE and IF YOU THINK FAITH IS RIDICULOUS THEN WHEN DID U GET THE "FAITH" TO PROCLAIM THAT STATEMENT?
SEE? U'R USING FAITH 2 SUPPORT WHAT U'R SAYING.
AND FOR THOSE WHO THINK/SAY GOD DOES NOT EXIST, THEN WHY IS HE NAMED GOD?
WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE RIGHT?HE DOESN'T EXIST
WoAiNiJesus 1 year ago
I know it's wishful thinking but I wish there was a law against brainwashing children into believing fairy tales.
davidls11 1 year ago
@davidls11 AND FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THINK OF THE BIBLE AS FOR IDIOTS, DON'T GO CRYING TO GOD WHEN U FACE HIS JUDGEMENT IN THE END.
I'M NORMALLY NOT THIS ANGRY, BUT NOBODY SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT MY FATHER IN MY HEARING!!!
SATAN ACTS, ENCOURAGING US TO MAKE FUN OF BIBLE AND WE - AS HIS SLAVES - AGREE COMPLETELY.
BLAMING OR MOCKING THE ONE WHO SENT HIS SON TO DIE FOR US.
SATAN DIDN'T SEND HIS SON TO DIE FOR US, WHY ARE WE SO WILLING TO SERVE HIM?
THINK AGAIN CAUSE WE'RE SMARTER THAN THAT!!!!!!!!
WoAiNiJesus 1 year ago
@WoAiNiJesus lol.
davidls11 1 year ago
You think that Pharoah would have said "fuck you", his kid was already dead....and he was a despot.....why did he not slaughter the Hebrews outright?
kshackleton 1 year ago
freaking love it! keep doing your thing man! if only people would listen to logic!!!
junejuly111 1 year ago
@junejuly111 LOGIC SUCKS!!! DO WE THINK WE'RE NATURALLY GOOD? WE'RE ALL CORRUPTED AND SINFUL DOWN RIGHT TO OUR SHOES AND WE THINK WE KNOW BETTER THAN GOD?
STOP MAKING THE HOLY WORD DIRTY!!!
DID WE CREATE THE UNIVERSE? WHY DO WE THINK WE KNOW BETTER THAN GOD?
DID WE SEND OUR SONS TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF OUR ENEMY?
IT IS SATAN WHO OPPRESS US EVERYDAY AND WE WILLINGLY SERVE HIM, WE SERVE THE DESTROYED BY MOCKING THE HOLY ONE.
TURN TO GOD, PLEASE EVERYONE, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!
TIME'S PASSIN
WoAiNiJesus 1 year ago
@WoAiNiJesus
why are you so angry holy moly man I am religious my self but calm down
Scrubscars 10 months ago
@WoAiNiJesus
Go back to your looney bin, please.
lordrectumslasher 10 months ago
good man
ovandocarter 1 year ago
remember God hardened Pharoah's heart so God made Pharoah not let the Hebrews go on purpose
chevroletgt 1 year ago
Simply put : God's Mercy and God's Justice. Mercy because God allowed pharoh to be arrogant and gave him the freedom to do whatever he wanted, the reason of that is that God wanted Pharod to get his case worse and destroy himself with his own hands for the judgment day. God's justice, in the judgment day, pharoh won't feel any injustice and won't wonder why he's buring in hell for ever he knows he deserves it.
And the fact that you're doing this video is also a proof of God's mercy and justice
IslamzSuperior 1 year ago
My question about this story has always been "Where did the pharoh's men get water from to show that they could turn it into blood if all of the water was already blood?"
ChickenRamen 1 year ago
HAHA. In the last part you said, "as we continue to implement rational thought concerning the story of Moses." Good luck with that my friend. lol Great video.
whoopiman 1 year ago
How stupid are you after you keep on defying God?Why shoot yourself?
frankielee77 1 year ago
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jjason23296 1 year ago
@jjason23296
The most truest things happen when we aren't looking .
It's when we do look , that they become controversial .
alexross8 1 year ago
Each plague was a biting satire against the Egyptians. Poetic justice. God works with intent whenever he moves. Each plague mocked the many prides of Egypt, in the face of the Pharoah's pride. Also you tend to separate each story from each other and make them sound like the Bible umps from one story to another with no rhyme or reason like a book of fables. The old testament is a complex interwoven collection of books written over hundreds of years that connect to each other seemlessly.
jckcism 1 year ago
Moses was a mushroom taking hippie. Who dident work for the pharoah
he talked the others to fuck work off and get high
MrFuckthisworld 1 year ago
Great vids buddy
sokolel 2 years ago
God hardened Pharoah's heart, but we have free will. Right.
sevenahm 2 years ago 4
hmhmm, apparently only then, and only he didn't...
What's free will anyways.
daddyleon 2 years ago
In some bibles it says " god hardened Pharaoh's heart", but I have read other translations..newer ones where it says "Pharaoh's heart hardened". It's clear BS, people change a few words hear and there that really change the meaning, that makes it difficult for me to believe anyone still believes the bible is the word of god. The bible is the end result of the most extensive game of "telephone" ever played, I doubt it resembles the original work very much at all.
Ravinian 2 years ago
Moses with the help of his friend God turned ALL the water into blood. How then did Pharaoh's magigians then turn water into blood. As ALL the water was already blood? Wouldn't it have been more intelligent for Pharaoh to change all the blood back into water, after all they would need something to drink? The story of Moses is fiction.
memully 2 years ago 3
other than that the story of Moses propably never happened to me the whole BuyBull is bunch of Bs wriiten by savage bronze age immoral men who didnt know any better.
Zerosnider56 2 years ago
im not a theist but im a play devils advocate, theist would say God purposely hardened Pharoah's heart so he could show Pharoah who is the true God and i also heard that each plague represented God destroying a egypitan God, for instance no sun (Rah) killing babies (the god of fertility) etc.
Zerosnider56 2 years ago
That is a good point I never thought of it like that before.
MrBrent123t 2 years ago
Its been a week im not sure if anybody can refute this counter-argument.
Zerosnider56 2 years ago
It didn't happen.Zero archaeological or written historical record of it.
Consider yourself refuted.If your counter argument is some dusty old book written by slave owning genocidal bronze age dersert savages oh do please fuck off.
Rockster969 2 years ago
I know that there is no archaeological or written historical record of it. That's not what i am getting to here, lets step away from the nontruthfulness of bible for a sec and look at what theist would say when they are approached with the fact that the bible is immoral because of this story. That is what they would say.
Zerosnider56 2 years ago
I know its still wrong to kill innocent babies just to prove this imaginary sky beings power and purposefully hardened Pharoah's heart so he wouldn't let them go even if he wanted to.
Zerosnider56 2 years ago
sorry bro,my bad.
Rockster969 2 years ago
God did take matters into his own hands
he hardened pharaoh's heart
the first miracle probably wouldn't have been necessary
if god hadn't preset the tone
Shadizar666 2 years ago
God likes to set the tone,the ambience for just the right thing to occur does he?
If I were god I'd just an interior designer in,no having to shazzam things into existence,all that 'poofing' can be misinterpreted,know what i mean?
Rockster969 2 years ago
even the existence of jew during that period is debatable.
jojoinhere 2 years ago 3
Here's a more realistic version. Moses was a Sumerian, not a Jew. The story is centuries older than Judaism. The Jews were never in captivity in Egypt, even Israeli archeologists admit there is absolutely no historical or archeological evidence for the story.
It is an old Sumerian story that the Jews rewrote for their own purposes..
The Babylonian captivity did happen. That is when and where Judaism was invented, based on Babylonian and Sumerian myths, legends, and religious practices.
macnutz 2 years ago 4
You even talk like some one who has worked in ministry most of your life. Very soothing, very reasonable. It is nice
mrselfrog 2 years ago
If GOD is so compasionate, why would He make the whole nation of Egypt suffer for Pharoes actions?? Besides, If GOD creared the earth, sky, sea, moon, sun, and stars, the ten plagues sound like BS. Never mind that those same ten plagues have been discredited by science. OHH no God just smited me **sight***
IsraTX 2 years ago
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Dude obviously you have the Devil in you because if you were a true believer what so ever at all you would have all trust in God. And if he wasmt real wow then everybody dies and goes to the same place as eachother but what if he is UH oh ! looks like your going to hell nobody can prove the bible WRONG not 1 person maybe u have opinions but not 1 in this whole world can prove it wrong! how about that scientific fact for you! Its true to!
JGitySHOW 2 years ago
"Nobody can prove the bible wrong"?
Not true!
Evolution for example is proven
"Looks like your going to hell"?!
If God really existed, It wouldn`t make any sense to send atheists to hell. Why would he? Because they didn`t believe he exists? Why would god need People to believe in him?
I mean, HE knows he exists or doesn`t he?
The only people who need you believing in GOD are the church-leaders
Doesn't the bible say god loves everyone? So even Atheists. So there is no risk by becoming Atheist
simonruane 2 years ago
Yeah,sounds like god has a self confidence problem and has to have his oh so powerful godly ego massaged.
But if I was god I'd be getting massaged by pretty laydee's who passed me nice phat spliffs rolled on their dusky thighs and moisened shut with...well,you get the picture!
I'd be a fun god,everybody would come to my church,The house of celestial pleasure,lots of free jelly and icecream and NO fire and brimstone!
Water into wine? Na, jus turning frowns into smiles,aaah!
Rockster969 2 years ago
@Rockster969 lol
Zerosnider56 2 years ago
I'll need a bunch of 'high' priests,you up for it Zerosnider mate?
It'll be a zero carbon emission green church so there will be vaporisers in all the pews and we'll heat the place with books of religious dogma and I'll call myself Catma Gandhi.
Ah,vestal virgins needed?
Hot atheists will do,pm's to the Peach and ZOMgitsCriss already sent!
And the law is: Be nice to each other...
think that covers it?
Idea's please?
Rockster969 2 years ago
@Rockster969 no prob and dont forget we need stone tablets like the new ten commandments (we may need more then 10 commandments) stuff like thou shall not own a slave or better yet thou shall not rape or do animal sacrifices ooooo u know how god gets when it comes to rape and sacrifing it gets him all hot and bothered ROFL
Zerosnider56 2 years ago
I was more thinking tablets to get stoned with,I mean we've got to have a sacrament,something to REALLY offend judaeo christian sensibilities....
Ah,got it! I could grow magic mushrooms on christian communion wafers so we can get all high and spiritual with the vestal babes,lets have none of this dead jewish zombie flesh eater stuff,it scares the kids!
"Be nice,nanu,nanu."
Rockster969 2 years ago
the thing that baffles me is why God went to Moses about this, when he should had appeared to Pharaoh in person. I'll bet the pharaoh would have quickly obayed God then.
arrogantgodjealous 2 years ago
In the bible is say's people will begin to change and be against God. And it is happening now in these days. as time goes by we are getting into the last days. only God can help those who are blind
ledgendgoku1 2 years ago
the bible does say this. it said over 2000 years ago that, in the future people will not believe in God, and God will destroy everything
nappyhead828828 2 years ago
in my idea of heaven, i'd be with my ex-girlfriend for the rest of time, in Her heaven, she'd be as far away from me as possible. there is a conflict of interest here.
ShiverTheClown 2 years ago
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What the f***k is vishnu. Stupid guy. VISHNU EVEN LOOKS EVIL. VISHNU IS THE DEVIL. STUPID PEOPLE
artleybartley 2 years ago
Here's a more realistic version:
Most of Israel was captured as slaves. When the work was completed, they were simply booted out of Egypt (this according to Egyptian historians.)
Over time they rediscovered their Yahve myth, their "one true god", and resurrected some shred of dignity by then creating the Moses figure and of course the Torah, which we know was penned by scribes over a long period of time.
Either that, or the burning bush, snake/rod thing, Red Sea...
Occam's Razor.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago 13
@rationalmuscle Actually, Egyptian historians recorded NOTHING about Jews ever being enslaved, ever being in Egypt, the Exodus, etc. Those stories were written several hundred years after they alledgedly took place.
xcellken1 1 year ago
@xcellken1 Yes, that was poor wording on my part for sure. Thanks for pointing this out.
rationalmuscle 1 year ago
@rationalmuscle You're welcome. Egyptian maps from the alledged time of David and Solomon don't even show a country called Judah or Israel. They do, however, show Canaan. The theory is that the Jews about 700 BC, the time a lot of the Old Testament was written, were jealous of the more advanced Egyptians, so they wrote myths that denigrated them.
xcellken1 1 year ago
@xcellken1 Yes, I remember that now... interesting stuff. I know that a lot of the NT myths of hell and resurrection came from other influences as well; both are strangely absent from the OT.
rationalmuscle 1 year ago
@rationalmuscle That's assuming the Hebrews were ever in Egypt, which is debatable.
MC473428 3 months ago
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You people are fooooolish. LMAO. YOU PEOPLE ARE BLIND . CAN'T YOU SEE THAT THE DEVIL WANT YOU NOT BELIVE
IN GOD. BECAUSE HE WANT ALL OF YOU TO GO TO HELL WITH HIM. THIS IS HOW THE DEVIL WORKS. GOD LOVES YOU. he protects you. SO DONT BE STUPID
artleybartley 2 years ago
What are your view of heaven ?
If I can't have sex with young beautyful girls, and intoxicate myself on alcohol in heaven. Then heaven isn't really heaven for me.
And If I have to live there FOREVER, then I have to pass anyway. No matter if I can do whatever I like. When 10000 yrs have gone. I'm pretty sure I will BEG to DIE.
BelieveNoGod 2 years ago 2
YOU are fooooolish. LMAO. YOU ARE BLIND. CAN'T YOU SEE THAT VISHNU IS THE REAL GOD AND THAT HE WANTS YOU TO LIVE FOREVER? AND HE HAS SENT YOU A DEMON CALLED 'JESUS' TO BLIND YOU? CAN'T YOU SEE THAT YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR ALL-CAPS BUTTON STUCK IN THE "ON" POSITION?????????
Please. Continue to be stupid. We all need our comic relief with our coffee in the morning.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
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theshredator 2 years ago
lol, you think you're better than us because we think just a bit harder of what we're told, instead of listening and memorizing like you do. there is no devil.
ShiverTheClown 2 years ago 2
If God is real then it mean's all we are & all we'll ever be is just toy's in a sandbox.
kingsman565 2 years ago
Didn't God harden Pharaoh's heart or something, so he wouldn't agree after the first couple of plagues? Obviously that would add a whole new level of ridiculousness to the story, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened if I'm remembering correctly.
mrplow8 2 years ago 3
Yes, Pharaoh did get his heart hardened by Yahweh. Apparently, Yahweh likes getting into pissing matches with himself. Certainly not the action of a benevolent deity to be sure.
dawn0293 2 years ago 3
Yes 'god' hardened pharaos heart more than one time.
But the most important one are the 10th 'plague' when god get to kill all the 1st bornes of Egypt.
What god is he, that does such a horrible act ?
(There are no record in any Egyptian scripture of these plagues.)
BelieveNoGod 2 years ago
God maybe real, but I do not see enough evidence to support it. The bible is miscalculated historical events, and prehistoric knowledge.Most of what is in it is stories passed down, rewritten.The plagues are most likely, just unknown natural events misunderstood, it if really happened. .
NWOSupporter2012 2 years ago
Another key issue with this story which you may or may not have noticed, is that pharaoh did not have a choice in the matter. (Exodus 4:21) God hardened his heart so that he could purposely have fun with his killing and torturing. This is a good passage to bring up when christians bring up free will.
Revolution9ty9 2 years ago 3
Poopy God likes poopy sacrifices. Crazy poop God makes a guy cook with human poo! Not a very nice poop God
seestickglue232 2 years ago
Biblegodfail.
aartvegan 2 years ago
My favorite part of the book of Exodus is God going on and on about how to build the Tabernacle. Moses spends just a few verses talking about Adam and Eve eating the fruit, Cain killing Abel, a chapter or so on Noah's Ark, etc., but spends like 5 chapters talking about the design and construction of the Tabernacle. As one blogger put it, it reads like an instruction manual from Ikea. And where did they get the materials to build this thing? Was there a Home Depot in the Sinai Penninsula?
Jnmcda0 2 years ago 4
i like how you did that "oh yea its on now!" lol
nicholasweakland 2 years ago
You should have also mentioned this doozy of a passage:
Exodus 7:3 - And I will harden the Pharoah's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
And after the snake trick:
Exodus 7:13 - And he hardened the Pharoah's heart, that he hearkened not unto them, as the Lord had said.
It's almost like God really wanted to start killing those baby boys.
sthebg20 2 years ago 13
@sthebg20 HE DID THAT TO SHOW HIS WONDERS IN EGYPT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, LIKE US, ARE SO THICK AND THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS NO GOD.
BY HIS GRACE, GOD STILL GIVES US CHANCE TO SEE HIS MIGHT BUT WE NEVER REPENT.
THIS IS A PERVERSE GENERATION, THINKING WE KNOW BETTER THAN THE ONE WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE.
UR TAKING THIS VERSE OUR OF CONTEXT, THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND I THINK U SHOULD BE SMARTER THAN THAT!!!
WE CAN'T EVEN GROW ONE HAIR IN OUR HEADS AND WE'RE THE ONES TALKING? PLEASE!!!!!
WoAiNiJesus 1 year ago
@WoAiNiJesus you must be a prophet - can you turn my water bottle into wine please??
Oh God? Well if he wanted to impress me he could send down his son Jebus to roundhouse kick Chuck Norris in the head and save.. I don't know.. a bunch of school children from a burning.. bush? Yes I said bush.. Until then friend do we have an accord? C'mon it's not that difficult for an omnipotent celestial supa-daddy can't do.. he did that trick with the Staffs N Snakes right? How hard could that be?
XRedxEyedxWandererX 10 months ago
I am very glad I found your channel....it was one of the *suggestions* at the top of the my youtube page. You are GOOD. I am hearing ideas on the bible that I haven't heard before, and I am planning to audit every single video...yours is a fresh approach.
8journey8 2 years ago
Well wasn't wandering in the desert punishment from God or something along those lines?
Though I think a better argument is to show that there is no evidence of a tribe measuring in the thousands making that Exodus, yet we can find small hundred person camps that old. Nor is there any presence of them in Egyptian culture. Had they actually been in Egypt, some of the words in their langauges would be absorbed by the other, Pharoah has no name at no time was Egypt's army destroyed by the sea.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
Of course, this is amusing and well told except that the elements that make this story worthwhile are removed specifically to highlight this mans thoughts on how ridiculous the story is. This is a vast generalization of the story of Moses and it has none of the didactic points which make the story purposeful. The story properly told, is not ridiculous at all.
gambleor 2 years ago
It may have a purpose and points to make but overall it is pretty ridiculous.
That these people were stupid enough to make up a god literally, on the spot, when it doesn't really happen like that, after seeing incredible miracles is pretty silly.
The very fact that God "hardened Pharoah's heart" shows this God really isn't into Free Will.
Not to mention there's 0 archelogical evidence to support any significant aspect of the story. Pharoh doesn't even have a name.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago 2
It's not ridiculous and I wouldn't think that they made up a god on the spot. It's more likely that they returned to a god of the Egyptians.
Actually, evidence supports that a decree was made to kill of the male children of the "Asiatics" during the reign of Sobekhotep IV in the Middle Dynasties.
About "Pharaoh's hardened heart," you're forgetting that the perspective of the writer has a great deal to do with the account written.
gambleor 2 years ago
Also, I should mention that it's a common feature in scripture to not record the name of someone you associate with evil behavior. Take for instance the parable of Lazarus and the unnamed Rich Man which is so often confused as being an account of hell.
gambleor 2 years ago
Or they didn't spend any time in Egypt and didn't really know Pharoah was a title and not a name.
There's also the fact that no trace of hebrew is found in Egyptian languages and vice-versa. Had they actually spent time in Egypt this would happen naturally.
No evidence of the nile turning to blood. That would have been hard to miss.
No evidence of thousands of people wandering for 40 years when we can find camps of fewer than a hundred from the same time period.
It didn't happen.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
God literally says "I have hardened Pharoah's heart" Is God being misquoted here, and if so, in how many other parts of the Bible can we expect this to happen?
What part of the story is the "Asiatics" supposed to correlate to?
To my knowledge, the Egyptians didn't have a golden calf as a God. It also makes no mention that they were going back to Egyptian gods, it says "let us make Gods".
Plus they didn't worship Egyptian gods while in Egypt, why do it after their God kicked his ass?
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
Who said that they didn't worship Egyptian gods while in Egypt? They didn't have the 10 Commandments which restricted their worship at that time to 1 God.
God also literally says that "Pharaoh will harden his own heart" so there was no need for God to harden pharaoh's heart at all. This is the writer's way of ascribing powerful works to God - also common in scripture.
The the death of the male children of the Asiatics correlates with the birth sequence of Moses.
gambleor 2 years ago
Just because that story has a parallel does not mean it actually happened to the Hebrews, and still nothing from his senient life, none of his actions he was supposedly involvved in have left a trace outside the Bible. No commentary that the Nile ever turned to blood, no mixture of languages, no sign of an exodus for 40 years in a desert.
They were still his chosen people, and still there were no golden cows that I'm aware of in Egyptian culture. It also says "let us make gods".
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
I beg to differ. In Egyptian theology you'll find Hapi-ankh who took the form of a bull calf. He was the god of strength, fertility and vigor - all three of which they would need if they were to establish themselves as a nation.
About the first paragraph, I'll have to write that out on my free time and place it in a series of responses some other time.
gambleor 2 years ago
From the research I've done, and I'm not totally sure, but the pharoah's that were around during the time of the Exodus (sometime between 13 or 14th century B.C.) lived around Thebes. Your Hapi cow was worshipped mainly around Memphis, which was much further north.
Also, it says "make gods".
Also, given the many many miracles they supposedly witnessed it seems strange they'd abandon the God that got them out of egypt and destroyed Pharoah's army in an instant to go worship the losing god.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
About the miracles, Moses had been missing for 40 days when he climbed Mt. Sinai. It's possible that they thought that Moses was dead and that, because Moses was the mediator between God and them, that they have somehow lost His favor. Fear drives people to do things that they otherwise wouldn't rationally do, I'm sure you know this.
gambleor 2 years ago
Also, Israel settled in the land of Goshen in the northern most part of Egypt on the eastern most side of the Nile delta. It's makes a lot of sense to believe that they were more greatly influenced by the culture of Memphis than by that of Thebes since Memphis was closer.
gambleor 2 years ago
While fear does as you say, this does not explain the story.:
"He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'"
They literally made a god and then claimed IT was what got them out of Egypt. It wasn't "oh we lost our connection to God, let's get another".
The fact they so easily do this should concern you that they made one up once before.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
You're forgetting about oral tradition. You're forgetting the symbolism of the calf and it's tie to strength and you're forgetting that they needed to appease a god which they believed could both protect them and aid them to establish themselves. Of course, they would credit their idol with getting them out of Egypt, otherwise, what would they tell their descendants? That they betrayed their savior God?
gambleor 2 years ago
If I grant you that possibility then you'll have to grant me the opposite. Of course they would credit Yahwey with getting them out of Egypt, otherwise, what would they tell their descendants?
Why is it possible for them at the first sign of trouble to make up a God and yet impossible for them to have done it before then or since? If thier character was as such that they needed to appease a god which they believed could help\protect them doesn't that cast doubt on the entire OT?
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
First question - terms granted, but don't forget that the God which brought them out of Egypt had identified himself both through Joseph and through Moses. The symbolism behind the serpent and the snake in the story is very important to the unfolding of the story.
Second question - It is possible, but I don't believe that they just up and made a god as the symbol of the calf existed in the culture they escaped as a godly manifestation.
gambleor 2 years ago
Last question - Their character is meant to be didactic. It is the tie between us and them. The whole OT is the account of Israel's struggle with idolatry.
gambleor 2 years ago
Is meant? What do you mean "meant". Wasn't that just how they are? Are you implying God wanted them that way?
There are so many Christians and Muslims that believe to the extream everything in their religion without ANY supernatural events happening. That is why it seems unlikely that Israel would continually question the guy that keeps doing so many amazing things.
The diciples were always surprised Jesus did something, even if he had done it already recently.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
"don't forget that the God which brought them out of Egypt had identified himself both through Joseph and through Moses"
So says the book they wrote. Had Moses not come down don't ya think they'd have said the cow revealed himself?
"Second question"
It says "let us made" not, let's worship pre-existing. Plus from what I can tell that Calf god wasn't worshipped in that area at that time. Double-check me please I could be wrong but that's what I've found so far.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
I'd guess the Christians would say satan gave them the power.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
I'm not sure about other Christians, but I wouldn't say that satan gave them the power to match miracles.
gambleor 2 years ago
Funny that no satan worshippers today appear to be able to do any of that. Or anyone for that matter.
It's almost as though the supernatural doesn't exist at all!
hehe
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
But the *full gospel* sects think god is passing out gifts of healing and speaking in other tongues and lots of other fun stuff, and it seems to be enough for them. Several years ago there was a movement they said was from their god called *holy laughter*. Very VERY creepy.
Their great god who a couple thousand years ago led them with pillars of fire and opened paths in the sea has now been reduced to a few silly parlor tricks. Supernatural? Pfffft. Glad I'm out of it, aren't you?
8journey8 2 years ago
Indeed.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
Nah man. Guys like you are heros. You have the balls to go on Youtube and take on theists. I don't have the patience or the mental stamina. But all you guys and girls in the atheist community on Youtube have made me a "smarter" atheist. Whether it's theology or science, you guys arm me with the knowledge to take on all fallacies. I never thought I would ever know as much as I do about evolution, cosmology, thermodynamics and theology. Keep up the great work you do.
quinn2469 2 years ago
I think a lot of us want to protect others from the abuse we went through and make up for the damage we have done. I think there is no more kind, loving or humane thing we can do than to free someone's mind for the abuse of religious mythology. I have been abused by religion, inflicted the abuse of religion on others, and now I am trying to free others form this plight. I must say I only stand in the shadow of others on You tube. I learn more on more every day here and try to pass it on.
educatedAtheist 2 years ago 2
another good video with good questions
xd1rtx 2 years ago 2
Remember that it says that God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" (Exodus 7:3, 9:12, 10:1, 20, 27, 11:10), so that he would refuse Moses's demands.
Yeah, that's right -- God set Pharaoh up so that God could cause more misery and kill innocent Egyptians, instead of simply letting Pharaoh give in to Moses's demands of his accord.
SeenAndNotSeen 2 years ago 4
God could have just made all of the Egyptians fall asleep so that the Isrealites could escape. But instead, he had to go through the rivers of blood, the frogs, locusts, darkness, and all that other stuff. And let's not forget the killing of babies.
AdrianIsaacs 2 years ago 5
Consider this. Have you looked at Egypt and Israel on a map? It's like a 2 week walk- a month at worst. What were they doing walking circles for 40 years? Either the story didn't happen or Moses is the worst tour guide ever. And God wasn't much of help either. I mean, he's God!! Couldn't he have said, "Hey, you're going the wrong way. It's over there."
quinn2469 2 years ago 3
Oh, and an addendum onto that as well. Egypt had armies in Canaan around that time, where the Israelites apparently fled to. If the Bible is true they would have been escaping right into a trap.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
Which time are you referring to?
gambleor 2 years ago
Around the time the Exodus was supposed to have occured.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
Man, is there at least one snake story in the bible which works out well for the big guy?
NLPNVC 2 years ago 3