mattbeckstrom knows what the hell he is talking about guys. they were both the losers of the losers and they wwere severely bullied! GODDAMIT I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THEY WERENT BULLIED! THEY EVEN HAD CUPS OF SHIT THROWN AT THEM!!! dave cullen is a liar. put his joke of a BS of a book in the trash., FUCK YOU DAVID CULLEN FUCK YOU!!!
@jasonandme1230 I love how he put in the book that eric had a lot of women, and in interviews his friends and such all said that he never had girlfriends and Brooks brown even said they died virgins. but eh im just a short way into the book. But yeah..
Lots of the students who witnessed the mass murder at columbine are furious at the inaccuracies of the book Cullen wrote. If you want the REAL truth, read:No Easy Answers: The Truth Behind Death at Columbine
Brooks Brown, one of Eric and Dylan's friends, said that Eric and Dylan "were the bottom 2 kids in the entire school - not just out of the senior class...so they were the losers of the losers." Devon Adams, a girl that knew Dylan and Eric said, "Dylan, the whole time I knew him, never had a girlfriend." Dave Cullen claims, "It's a complete myth that they were outcasts." Dave Cullen is not an objective journalist. I wouldn't believe a single word he says.
Dave Cullen's book has alot of inaccuracies. If you want the truth, unedited, directly from someone who was there that morning before the shootings as well as from a friend to both Eric and Dylan, I strongly recommend reading No Easy Answers: The Truth Behind Death At Columbine. It is written by Brooks Brown. I've been keeping up with the Columbine Massacre since it occurred. His book has been the best, most accurate depiction I've come across. He sugar coats nothing.
Just like actual witnesses said, if you want to read something that will make you sleep better and an easy way out of why columbine happened but a fantasy with no truth to the actual facts, than Dave's book is right for you. If you want to know the truth, pick up the police report and research what actual witnesses said and what the killers said themselves. thank you
bought this book today in a shop In Durham where i live in England i knew some stuff about the massacre before now i know loads about the tragidy.very good book
@Niwram EXACTLY THANK YOU. What ACTUAL WITNESSES have said as well as friends of Eric and Dylan, and classmates and what the killers said themselves ALL CONTRADICT what Dave says. I do believe ACTUAL WITNESSES and people who knew Eric and Dylan and what Eric and Dylan said themselves over some fag journalist who was never there. THANK YOU. I agree.
i remember being at an orentation for my school and having the military class or whatever its called,do the drills with the guns and they said theat the tips where cemented,so other kids wouldnt try and shoot anyone,"we dont want another colombine" they said and i thought "yeah getting rid of the guns,and that will stop people from doing things like this,not getting into why,no just lock them up" idk,what annoying me is that people dont try and understand how these people tick and use that
I thought this was going to be a thin book but when I actually saw it at the book store and saw how thick it was, that just did it. This book is amazing. I haven't finished it yet, I think I'm on page 58 or something, but it's going good. I myself, am a columbine journalist type. I've been studying the event for a long time, and this book has taught me some things I didn't know. The contrast between Dylan and Eric is also good too.
I'm glad this book tells the real story about how these boys were thinking. There's so much misinformation and we need to know the whole story both in order to prevent this from repeating itself and also so we don't have mass paranoia due to misinformation.
@DisWldFrk90 dude, you are a dumbass. If jocks got ahold of the "fact" that bullying didn't cause this (which it did), then they would show even less hesitation to endlessly bully students knowing they would get away with it. One reason I don't bully people at school (I'm in 8th grade) is because I don't want to be the one held responsible for the next school rampage and if it weren't for Columbine, I probably would be bullying today.
Odd then how Dylan's friends said he was not bullied at all and the fact that he said he picked on younger kids in his journal. Also odd how Eric bragged about bullying other kids in his journals and didn't really complain much about bullying at all. Also odd how they weren't specifically targeting jocks or anyone. Their goal was to blow the entire school off to kingdom come and create a terrorist attack instead of just going after jocks alone. These two didn't like anyone, not just jocks.
A female friend of Dylan says she was once pushed against the locker by a jock for "talking to that faggot" and Brooks Brown (friend of shooters) says they were the most unpopular students in the whole school and also, it's a common fact that when the two went into the library, they shouted "Everyone with white hats, get up!! This is for all the shit you've given to us for the past two years!" So, they weren't targeting jocks? :D
That is only two of the friends who spoke. In a school that big you are of course going to have people who say things. The majority of his friends said Dylan was too tall and lean to be a target of bullies. Eric was teased a bit but he didn't care much as psychopaths don't. Yes they did say that, but that was only one time and many of the people they shot were not jocks. They did not stop and pause to see if anyone was wearing a white hat they just shot whoever first came into their view.
They are not trying to agonize anyone, but to educate jocks and others what to value: to love and to respect your fellow men. You guys will probably disagree with me or even label me as hypocrite for saying this. Nevertheless, it is imperative for people how people in high school gain popularity by depriving opposition of autonomy and dignity. Unless the society is reformed, columbine shall be repeated and each more devastating than the previous one. Long live the oppressed men!
I had my local library order this in for me...about to go and get it now. I cannot wait to begin to read this book. I have researched columbine for years and this will be a great addition to my work. wish me luck on the rest of my research <3 thank you a ton
I liked the book and don't understand after all this time the immaturity going on with the comments. I especially liked the chapter 40 and the information provided. Anyone involved with adolescents should read that chapter for a personal heads up and report, report, report. Thanks Dave for spending so much time and to those of you who say its crap...just maybe you need some help yourselves and I hope you get it. Dave's book explores Columbine, and its aftermath which can help a lot of people.
@LILrEDBaretta It is true that the book is well written, but it is also important for us to understand the inaccuracy of the book. Eric started to have his plan since grade 5 if I recalled correctly. Moreover, their entire life had been tormented by jocks. Despite the insults, they forgave them and dedicated in educating them. They wanted the world to learn what to value: to respect and to love your fellow men!
I don't think they attacked the school bc they were insulted/bullied. Maybe you are privy to info not in the book? Why didn't the students going to Columbine address that? Dylan was a follower, hanging onto Eric's coat tails. If they wanted the world to learn to respect fellow man, they didn't do a very good job. Instead they only inspire other troubled kids who have parents that don't notice something is going on with their kids and get them the help they need! Both sets of parents share blame
I thought Cullen's book was decent. I took way more to Brook's Browns book No Easy Answers. It's one thing to hear an old guy reporting on Columbine based on interviews, it's a much more powerful thing to read the perspective of one of the boys' closest friends who experienced their world with them. It doesn't get anymore real than that.
@ApealtoReason But if you're wanting to know more detailed accounts of what actually went on INSIDE during the shooting, Dave's book is the place to go. I don't remember No Easy Answers talking about that. Brooks just talked about being off/on friends with Eric because he was a jerk.
@bxkxrxxxx If you want to know what happend inside during the shooting, read the 11k...I can't believe half of you read this book and feel you know all about Columbine.
I just saw this guy speak yesterday for my JRN 203 class at CMU. I haven't read the book but I do have a lot of questions. I wish I still had the chance to ask them.
We had some kids planning to do another Columbine at the Middle School most of my friends went to. It was truley petrifiying knowing that middle school children had a hit list and that some of my friends could have been on it. Luckily the plot was discovered and stopped.
I just finished this book and was enthralled with the story. I can't imagine what feelings the author experienced during the research and writing of it. I spent 25 years in law enforcement and believe this should be read by every officer.
@sAINTMalice9 you mean dylan the supervillian and Eric the sidekick. Dylan planned most of the murders. Eric was the kid that pretty much everyone liked. Eric was dragged along for most of the ride/planning. I know Eric's cousin. she has told me that he seemed like his normal self other than the fact that he kept saying sorry to her for no reason and other things that she has realized were hints.
I cannot get "Columbine" out of my mind. Bravo Mr. Cullen!
Regardless of your thoughts on what happened that day I think we all need to take a step back and acknowledge the tragedy. Acknowledge the loss of lives both physically and emotionally; victims and killers. But most of all we need to learn.
Why are people doing all the petty fighting here. Let's all be adults and have a rational conversation. Name calling and threats isn't going to get us anywhere.
Just finished the book, which I could not put down since I picked it up yesterday. Excellent book! You definitely conveyed the emotional denial about Dylan very clearly.
I love the way you surgically dissected the behavior of the media, yourself having already told us you'd been at the scene that day in that guise.
U have written a valuable book. I knew nothing of the case other than what I'd briefly seen on TV and gotten from friends. I'm ashamed at how shallow I was to have believed them!
The thing that really struck me while reading this story was how seriously screwed up most of the media has become. I majored in Journalism, admired people like Cronkite, Rather, Ernie Pyle, Barbara Walters, Edward R. Murrow, Woodward & Bernstein, etc. I couldn't imagine any of them going to press or on the air without airtight sources & triple fact checking back in the day. Now Perez Hilton & the National Enquirer are quoted by otherwise respectable newswriters & anchors as valid sources!!!
There wasn't any particular reason that set off the massacre. I believe that it was the combination of multiple circumstances known as "the perfect storm". Psychopathy, depression, bullying, hatred, etc.
I have not read this book yet. I am currently a Senior at columbine and grew up in Littleton all my life. Would never want to go to any other school in the world nor live anywhere else.
i just finished the book a few days ago and i just wanted to say thank you for writing such a true account of the tragedy. it was a horrific event we all know. thanks for sticking with it and giving us this book. im an art student in england and my work is evolving around the tragedy. the book has helped me an awful lot. i am working with their writings and the aftermath that they left. its a difficult subject to work with but if your interested i would love to talk to somebody about it.
I just finished your book. Really enjoyed it. Can't even begin to imagine what you went through to write this, not just the research and the hours poured into it, but also the emotional impact.
You know the shocker for me was not the actual crime. It was how the families and others acted afterward. These families and the community at large, had so many hurdles to clear, the Klebolds and Harris' doubly so. But, the hate (directed at the K and H families) the lawsuits and the rumor mill. These are the tragedy's that followed the tragedy. Now some people really tried to help the situation but some just used the situation to their own ends. That is the saddest commentary of all.
Hey Dave Cullen, I found a mistake in your book and I want to know who I should call to see if the mistake is in every book! PS the rest of the book was great
I haven't read this yet but I'm planning on going to the library tomorrow to retrieve it. I'm now desperate to get my hands on it after watching this video:) as I have a strong personal interest in the columbine massacre, particulary Dylan like Dave Cullen does!
Congrats Zombie. :) I too was what I thought was a loser at school but now that that's far behind me I know that I was just a good kid who wasn't popular. Don't let anyone else tell you you're not good enough.
this is my favorite book. david cullen is an amazing writer and does this sad tragedy justice. well informed, well written - i would (and have) recommend this to anyone.
thanks. dylan was the great mystery to me for so long. intellectually, i could understand the phenom of angry depressives who commit murder--there is a long history of them--but it was hard to see dylan actually doing it.
then i read his journal. his two tormented years, being pulled in many different directions. then i got him.
Dave cullen really did write a fabulous book here. It is so well written and offers a perspective of certain aspects of the shooting which bring it to life in such a stranbge and vivid way. They certainly were not blood brothers or bonded by some shared rage as we once thought. I don't agree intellectually with everything Cullen writes but it is a fabulous book. He is also a really nice guy, email him anything about his book and he will give you an in depth response. He is so dedicated to fans!
i think the first key to understanding "the killers" is that they were two different people. VERY different. you have to untangle them to get anywhere.
No problem! this is a really good reality pill which should settle everything, all the rumours, and replace it with facts! great research and clearing it up for us :) and yeah really easy to read i'm 17 I was expecting i'd be slow on it, but the words you used was great like girls of love interest as Chicks for example ! liked it very much.
Also - Randy Brown talks down about your book, but most bullied youth do NOT do what these two did...Randy is (with all due respect) in his own bubble, and I can empathize, but it's not OBjective.
I just did a fairly in-depth paper on this tragedy, and Dave Cullen's book is absolutely fabulous.
Kudos to your efforts to look into such darkness, Dave. I know how dark it was just doing the research for my paper, let alone over an entire decade...Wow.
It is very informative, and presents a clear message. The book is dedicated to the victims of the attack, and also to Patrick Ireland, who was a survivor.
dylan depressed wanted to die. hated himself. angry full of built up rage. turned the rage inside onto other people which explains his fun during 20th. also he got his reward and died at end. eric was angry wanted to hurt people but couldnt because then he'd be held under small brained authorities so only way is to kill then commit suicide after. he wasnt suicidel or depressed. he just wanted to kill but not held under the authorities! simply awsnerd!
I talked to pekka erik avunein naturalselector89 like 2 months before shooting.. just breifly on YT.. and this guy has done research on pekka.. and also been inside columbine and spoke to people involved with columbine.. i'm honoured that i'm connected to eric and dylan in some way!!! WOW!!
I heard about them in 1999 but didnt really research or care... i saw news report about cho and i remember seeing the cafertira footage of columbine and me thinking.. why arent they mentioning that long haired guy and just this cho guy i thought it was for that.. then after the net guy I knw naturalselector89 did his rampage I looked it up and found out columbine that way
Yeah twas like 2 months after i'd met him.. my friend osten22 came running to my fpscallum page and told me that you remember naturalselector89 he was the one who killed those people and i said who? what? then i rememebrd and saw news.. at the time he was in hospital. then he died the next day from the wound.
okay for real, i said you were obsessed before i even read this.
damnit kid eric harris was just a kid who played doom, dreamed of girls whom he never got, and fantasized about a world where only he existed.
dylan was a suicidal misfit with a temper who obsessed over a girl...but was too big of a coward to talk to her. socally he was weak and thats how harris talked him into doing this...he didnt even shoot at anyone when he was alone, he just wanted to kill himself
Eric was more than that and so was Dylan. Actually, Dylan shot Kyle Vasquez while Eric was starting to go somewhere else in the library. So what if i looked up to them? Did i go on a rampage? No. So, i dont see a problem with it. I looked up to Eric and Dylan for who they were before the shooting, not directly because of what they did. Eric and Dylan both seemed like an alright pair of kids to hangout on a saturday with.
god damnit kid, i work at a prison and have met plenty of eric and dylans...only these guys wernt big enough cowards to kill themselves. none of them are special, either smart kids who got mixed up in the wrong stuff. Or guys who have problems
the fact these columbine kids threw away their whole lives for what? an hour of chaos, infamy..they are dead, it could have been anyone.
i guess how from your perspecive u could see them as "above average" kids. but there are tons of kids like them.
I see them as above average as how their vocabulary wasnt that of an average teenager back in 99. These kids were smart kids, they couldve been much more than two kids who killed 13 people including themselves, more than two kids who are remembered by the world every year on the news. They chose the wrong path and that was their life, so much potential wasted because of assholes, and their own self destructive life styles.
I see Eric and Dylan for who they were before the shooting.
this is funny your getting mad at posters here , there is many more eric and dylans in this world , they just have not done anything so far ....just make them snap and its going to happen again its all in there up bringing .....so dude just go to work you say you work at a prison just log off and get to work
just finished the book and thought it was great. i'm sure there were alot of people who did not like eric, but i dont see how that contradicts him also having friends. tragedy.
I just finished reading this masterful book. I recommend it whole heartedly. I was crying through portions...it's difficult reading at times, but uplifting as well.
I e-mailed Dave Cullen to give him feedback and to thank him for his work. He very graciously responded.
well first of all this guy dave cullen is just some douche bag that wants to make fast cash on an easy story to cover.
Dave cullen reminds me of the same douche that tried to sell records with his song "where were you on 9/11"
explioting the event...All any of you do is Glorify things like he media...It really pisses me off to want to watch the news at any random hour the past month just to hear more Coverage of micheal jackson....Jackson is not as important as the 4,500 dead troops
Its because theyre doing something they dont want you to know about. Im sure Obamas trying to get another bill that further restricts what little freedome we have left. Fuck the troops anyway..they always cry and shit "my husband died" "my dad died" , Well dipshits, we dont have a draft..he, you, and everyone knew the job was dangerous when he signed the fuckin papers. Not saying micheal jackson is a better topic..but.
wow.. you are beyond idiotic. most troops go overseas so that when they come back, they have better job opportunities waiting for them, rather than stay and wait for years for their dream jobs. your just ignorant for saying those things, because if you weren't, you would have more respect bud.
well i have a question for you, how good of friends was brooks brown with harris and klebold through highschool? from what ive heard they stopped being friends freshman year or so, because of some website. i think the person who would know best would be that "kibbz" or zack (forgot last name) or else a psychologist/writer like cullen who studyed Columbine LIKE CRAZY. he studied The students, the teachers, the diarys, pretty much everyone and everything surrounding the situation. hit me back
Psychologists cant be the people who bring things into facts. Ive had three psychologists, they all told me something different. People can study things all their life, and only know a step up from what the average person knows..but this cullen guy, will never know how Eric and Dylan were.
Columbine is an astounding peice of true crime writing. One of the finest books to be written in Truman Capote's tradition. Completely erodes all of the glory in what Eric and Dylan did and offers a chillingly refined portrait of the two. They emerge neither particularly close nor tragic in the traditional sense. The event it upheld in all its horror and hopelessness. You don't know columbine until you have read this. Bravo Cullen!
0:30 it says "in remembrance of the twelve students..." it should say "in remembrance of the FOURTEEN students and one teacher from the columbine high school who tragically LOST THEIR LIVES on April 20, 1999".
You religious people make me angry i thought you were supposed to forgive and be kind, doesn't it say to love your enemy and not hate him in the bible? If there really is a God I hope he kills all you false believing pieces of shit soon...
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God doesnt exist so why bother talking to those parasites? besides people that believe in god are all a joke anyhow they dont practice what they preach...they all are a bunch of hypocrites like ted haggard...a bunch of sub human trash
This book is amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time to do the research on this subject. Especially the chapter about the media & how it caused so much confusion with the investigation.
its a decent book. Yes the media was fucking stupid about manson, and music and movies. But read no easy answers by brooks brown. I think if you combine the two themes of each book you can see how columbine happened. Brooks Brown said the bullying towards eric and dylan was horrendous, even one student went as far to say that he saw their hitlist and said finally someone did something. ERic was probably a psycho, and dylan tagged along but bullying was the catalyst and gave them a target
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Dave Cullen's book is so inaccurate, that most Columbine parents who actually KNEW the killers to some degree are calling it a farce.
Say what you want about Brooks Brown. I'm sure he missed some important details. Brooks wasn't as close to Eric as Dylan was, or vice versa, but he certainly knows more about them than Cullen does.
Cullen, instead of looking from the perspective of Eric and Dylan, focused more on the opinions of classmates who just knew OF them, and outsider psychologists.
After hearing Dace's interview on Coast 2 Coast am I just had to go read the book. So many things that were reported about Columbine back 10 years ago were just false. Great read!
Its now being said that Harris didnt take anti-depressants, yet the Columbine Report & friends clearly stated he did. And its now said that they werent outcasts or bullied yet Brooks Brown stated both killers were "the uncoolest kids at school' the losers of the losers." And even in interviews its said that Harris complained he was bullied and they were indeed outcasts in their own way.
I dont believe the new information coming out is true because years of evidence against it is strong.
They were definitely not in the "in crowd" but they had a fair amount of friends. I don't doubt at all that they were bullied but there are many reports that they were bullies themselves. And just about everyone agrees that Eric was charismatic and charming. So while im not dismissing the troubles they went through, I think the whole "bottom of the barrel" claim by Brown has been essentially debunked by everyone that's done any research.
I heard this book tears down alot of what was thought to be known about the killers. But Im at a loss on many things about them. Read Brooks Brown (best friend of Dylan and friend of Eric Harris) "A Truth About Columbine" book and then read this one. They contradict each other, but who are we to believe: Dave Cullen's viewpoint or the best friend of one of the killers??
I prayed for the killers for a couple of years and still have the article describing their lonely funeral. I believe that their souls and their families are worth the prayers. I am extremely grateful for Dave Cullen for doing this investigation. We need to recognize sooner the intensity and negativity of these personality types, watch unusually violent attitudes and their related activities, pay attention to isolated incidents of unusual anger, attitudes of extreme irritation,
Great journalism, Dave. Just finished the book yesterday. My assumption ten years ago was that the shooting was motivated by bullying and harassment. It's a shame the police didn't take the Browns more seriously. Too many times these kinds of complaints are ignored because they are viewed as family feuds.
Dave Cullen is a fucking moron, who is full of shit and needs to die. Hopefully someone blows his fucking head off with a shotgun. NBK. Coming for you next cunt!
I was a high school student when the Columbine shooting occurred, and I remember spending months afterward trying to avoid the incessant, inflammatory lightning media rounds that jump to so many conclusions, so suddenly. Thank you for taking your time, and doing in-depth research on a topic well-deserving of time and attention in a serious way.
The media is guilty of gross malpractice. No one should ever watch TV news, national or local, or read newspapers except for sports, comics, and coupons. Only use newspapers on the bottom of birdcages. People go into journalism when life goes horribly wrong.
If you did do that research you must have a REALLY hard time understanding things. Just shut the fuck up, you know nothing of what you speak. I promise you I know more about this than you.
Dont bother responding to me untill you learn something. Your not even worth arguing with yet cause your so wrong.
mattbeckstrom knows what the hell he is talking about guys. they were both the losers of the losers and they wwere severely bullied! GODDAMIT I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THEY WERENT BULLIED! THEY EVEN HAD CUPS OF SHIT THROWN AT THEM!!! dave cullen is a liar. put his joke of a BS of a book in the trash., FUCK YOU DAVID CULLEN FUCK YOU!!!
jasonandme1230 3 months ago
@jasonandme1230 I love how he put in the book that eric had a lot of women, and in interviews his friends and such all said that he never had girlfriends and Brooks brown even said they died virgins. but eh im just a short way into the book. But yeah..
ilikeblondie 1 month ago
@ilikeblondie yea its all bullshit. dont beleeve it
jasonandme1230 1 month ago
He came to my school this week. Amazing
renegade247 3 months ago
Nice trailer.
authorjg 4 months ago
Lots of the students who witnessed the mass murder at columbine are furious at the inaccuracies of the book Cullen wrote. If you want the REAL truth, read:No Easy Answers: The Truth Behind Death at Columbine
flever100 4 months ago
If you want know truth read Brooks Brown, If you are not really interested in case, Culen's book should be enought
ProthSteriel 5 months ago
Brooks Brown, one of Eric and Dylan's friends, said that Eric and Dylan "were the bottom 2 kids in the entire school - not just out of the senior class...so they were the losers of the losers." Devon Adams, a girl that knew Dylan and Eric said, "Dylan, the whole time I knew him, never had a girlfriend." Dave Cullen claims, "It's a complete myth that they were outcasts." Dave Cullen is not an objective journalist. I wouldn't believe a single word he says.
MattBeckstrom 5 months ago
I want to read this book. But Eric was well-liked? That's not what I've heard from other sources....of course I could be wrong.
blackhorse099 7 months ago
Dave Cullen's book has alot of inaccuracies. If you want the truth, unedited, directly from someone who was there that morning before the shootings as well as from a friend to both Eric and Dylan, I strongly recommend reading No Easy Answers: The Truth Behind Death At Columbine. It is written by Brooks Brown. I've been keeping up with the Columbine Massacre since it occurred. His book has been the best, most accurate depiction I've come across. He sugar coats nothing.
john2earth 9 months ago
Just like actual witnesses said, if you want to read something that will make you sleep better and an easy way out of why columbine happened but a fantasy with no truth to the actual facts, than Dave's book is right for you. If you want to know the truth, pick up the police report and research what actual witnesses said and what the killers said themselves. thank you
Callingyourname100 1 year ago 4
bought this book today in a shop In Durham where i live in England i knew some stuff about the massacre before now i know loads about the tragidy.very good book
Geordieboy1990 1 year ago
Definitely my favorite book. He does a great job analyzing their lives from reliable sources and compiles it nicely.
kurby91 1 year ago
@kurby91 Thanks. I appreciate that.
davecullenwriter 11 months ago
The guy does not do research, and with most of the claims he makes in the book, the opposite has been proven true.
Niwram 1 year ago
@Niwram EXACTLY THANK YOU. What ACTUAL WITNESSES have said as well as friends of Eric and Dylan, and classmates and what the killers said themselves ALL CONTRADICT what Dave says. I do believe ACTUAL WITNESSES and people who knew Eric and Dylan and what Eric and Dylan said themselves over some fag journalist who was never there. THANK YOU. I agree.
Callingyourname100 1 year ago
I am reading this. It is really interesting
wonderfulland154 1 year ago
i remember being at an orentation for my school and having the military class or whatever its called,do the drills with the guns and they said theat the tips where cemented,so other kids wouldnt try and shoot anyone,"we dont want another colombine" they said and i thought "yeah getting rid of the guns,and that will stop people from doing things like this,not getting into why,no just lock them up" idk,what annoying me is that people dont try and understand how these people tick and use that
yfset8 1 year ago
if you are intrigued by the tragedy read this book.. best i've read this year
BoonoopS 1 year ago
Thanks @BoonoopS.
davecullenwriter 11 months ago
Just started reading this book. It's amazing so far.
83phatman 1 year ago
I thought this was going to be a thin book but when I actually saw it at the book store and saw how thick it was, that just did it. This book is amazing. I haven't finished it yet, I think I'm on page 58 or something, but it's going good. I myself, am a columbine journalist type. I've been studying the event for a long time, and this book has taught me some things I didn't know. The contrast between Dylan and Eric is also good too.
lilspark3000 1 year ago
I'm glad this book tells the real story about how these boys were thinking. There's so much misinformation and we need to know the whole story both in order to prevent this from repeating itself and also so we don't have mass paranoia due to misinformation.
DisWldFrk90 1 year ago
@DisWldFrk90 dude, you are a dumbass. If jocks got ahold of the "fact" that bullying didn't cause this (which it did), then they would show even less hesitation to endlessly bully students knowing they would get away with it. One reason I don't bully people at school (I'm in 8th grade) is because I don't want to be the one held responsible for the next school rampage and if it weren't for Columbine, I probably would be bullying today.
flazzgta2 1 year ago
Odd then how Dylan's friends said he was not bullied at all and the fact that he said he picked on younger kids in his journal. Also odd how Eric bragged about bullying other kids in his journals and didn't really complain much about bullying at all. Also odd how they weren't specifically targeting jocks or anyone. Their goal was to blow the entire school off to kingdom come and create a terrorist attack instead of just going after jocks alone. These two didn't like anyone, not just jocks.
DisWldFrk90 1 year ago
@DisWldFrk90 oh, really? In this video:
/watch?v=B3v-lo0Yj4k
A female friend of Dylan says she was once pushed against the locker by a jock for "talking to that faggot" and Brooks Brown (friend of shooters) says they were the most unpopular students in the whole school and also, it's a common fact that when the two went into the library, they shouted "Everyone with white hats, get up!! This is for all the shit you've given to us for the past two years!" So, they weren't targeting jocks? :D
flazzgta2 1 year ago
That is only two of the friends who spoke. In a school that big you are of course going to have people who say things. The majority of his friends said Dylan was too tall and lean to be a target of bullies. Eric was teased a bit but he didn't care much as psychopaths don't. Yes they did say that, but that was only one time and many of the people they shot were not jocks. They did not stop and pause to see if anyone was wearing a white hat they just shot whoever first came into their view.
DisWldFrk90 1 year ago 4
@flazzgta2 Then you're just a jackass. It shouldn't take a horrible tragedy to keep you from intentionally cause other people pain.
AgnoYouth 1 year ago
I REALLY want to get this...anyone know where I can find it for a reasonable price?
kurby91 1 year ago
@kurby91 Amazon.com has it for only 9 dollars
howoriginal08 1 year ago
@howoriginal08 Thanks, that's actually where I ordered it from. :)
kurby91 1 year ago
just picked it up looks great thanks for the post.
UnionKid15 1 year ago
Great book.
gravyboatK 1 year ago
They are not trying to agonize anyone, but to educate jocks and others what to value: to love and to respect your fellow men. You guys will probably disagree with me or even label me as hypocrite for saying this. Nevertheless, it is imperative for people how people in high school gain popularity by depriving opposition of autonomy and dignity. Unless the society is reformed, columbine shall be repeated and each more devastating than the previous one. Long live the oppressed men!
zerobinary2 1 year ago
I had my local library order this in for me...about to go and get it now. I cannot wait to begin to read this book. I have researched columbine for years and this will be a great addition to my work. wish me luck on the rest of my research <3 thank you a ton
holabuggy 1 year ago
hats BS! they set the bombs at lunch tables, not columns! hes an idiot...
RS2hpowmage 1 year ago
I liked the book and don't understand after all this time the immaturity going on with the comments. I especially liked the chapter 40 and the information provided. Anyone involved with adolescents should read that chapter for a personal heads up and report, report, report. Thanks Dave for spending so much time and to those of you who say its crap...just maybe you need some help yourselves and I hope you get it. Dave's book explores Columbine, and its aftermath which can help a lot of people.
LILrEDBaretta 1 year ago
@LILrEDBaretta It is true that the book is well written, but it is also important for us to understand the inaccuracy of the book. Eric started to have his plan since grade 5 if I recalled correctly. Moreover, their entire life had been tormented by jocks. Despite the insults, they forgave them and dedicated in educating them. They wanted the world to learn what to value: to respect and to love your fellow men!
zerobinary2 1 year ago
I don't think they attacked the school bc they were insulted/bullied. Maybe you are privy to info not in the book? Why didn't the students going to Columbine address that? Dylan was a follower, hanging onto Eric's coat tails. If they wanted the world to learn to respect fellow man, they didn't do a very good job. Instead they only inspire other troubled kids who have parents that don't notice something is going on with their kids and get them the help they need! Both sets of parents share blame
LILrEDBaretta 1 year ago
TRY BROOKS BROWN.
sAINTMalice9 1 year ago
This book is fantastic.
bxkxrxxxx 1 year ago
I thought Cullen's book was decent. I took way more to Brook's Browns book No Easy Answers. It's one thing to hear an old guy reporting on Columbine based on interviews, it's a much more powerful thing to read the perspective of one of the boys' closest friends who experienced their world with them. It doesn't get anymore real than that.
ApealtoReason 1 year ago
@ApealtoReason But if you're wanting to know more detailed accounts of what actually went on INSIDE during the shooting, Dave's book is the place to go. I don't remember No Easy Answers talking about that. Brooks just talked about being off/on friends with Eric because he was a jerk.
bxkxrxxxx 1 year ago
@bxkxrxxxx If you want to know what happend inside during the shooting, read the 11k...I can't believe half of you read this book and feel you know all about Columbine.
Gwaaaaaarrrrgghhh 1 year ago 2
Never saw him speak before this, but damn he reminds me of Mel Gibson.
Soulgotha 1 year ago
I just saw this guy speak yesterday for my JRN 203 class at CMU. I haven't read the book but I do have a lot of questions. I wish I still had the chance to ask them.
Yayoj81 1 year ago
I loved this book
PotatoChipLover 1 year ago 4
We had some kids planning to do another Columbine at the Middle School most of my friends went to. It was truley petrifiying knowing that middle school children had a hit list and that some of my friends could have been on it. Luckily the plot was discovered and stopped.
linguini12345 1 year ago
I just finished this book and was enthralled with the story. I can't imagine what feelings the author experienced during the research and writing of it. I spent 25 years in law enforcement and believe this should be read by every officer.
jburd1800 1 year ago 5
Thanks I read this book for school and am doing a "talk" with the teacher and I needed help - this was perfect.
Interesting book, but it was very hard for me to read. thanks for writing it. -Mary Rose-
MaryRose55 1 year ago 2
meeting him tomorrow! cant wait
blessedisthislife 1 year ago 4
This book is complete shit.
sAINTMalice9 1 year ago
Why do you say that?
MaryRose55 1 year ago
@sAINTMalice9 why do you say that?
ssiobhann 1 year ago
@ssiobhann
because it's horrifically inaccurate and he makes Eric look like some supervillian and Dylan look like the beaten sidekick.
sAINTMalice9 1 year ago
@sAINTMalice9 and what do you suggest is the truth?
ssiobhann 1 year ago
@ssiobhann not this, try something written by people who were actually there.
sAINTMalice9 1 year ago
@sAINTMalice9 like what? and how would they know any better about who eric and dylan were?
ssiobhann 1 year ago
@sAINTMalice9 you mean dylan the supervillian and Eric the sidekick. Dylan planned most of the murders. Eric was the kid that pretty much everyone liked. Eric was dragged along for most of the ride/planning. I know Eric's cousin. she has told me that he seemed like his normal self other than the fact that he kept saying sorry to her for no reason and other things that she has realized were hints.
holabuggy 1 year ago
dylan the maniac wasn't the victim, the goyim were.
TheAmazingamerica 1 year ago
Good book.
mattvt00 1 year ago 3
I cannot get "Columbine" out of my mind. Bravo Mr. Cullen!
Regardless of your thoughts on what happened that day I think we all need to take a step back and acknowledge the tragedy. Acknowledge the loss of lives both physically and emotionally; victims and killers. But most of all we need to learn.
Why are people doing all the petty fighting here. Let's all be adults and have a rational conversation. Name calling and threats isn't going to get us anywhere.
lbauerlein 1 year ago 4
Just finished the book, which I could not put down since I picked it up yesterday. Excellent book! You definitely conveyed the emotional denial about Dylan very clearly.
I love the way you surgically dissected the behavior of the media, yourself having already told us you'd been at the scene that day in that guise.
U have written a valuable book. I knew nothing of the case other than what I'd briefly seen on TV and gotten from friends. I'm ashamed at how shallow I was to have believed them!
pollypickle 2 years ago 4
The thing that really struck me while reading this story was how seriously screwed up most of the media has become. I majored in Journalism, admired people like Cronkite, Rather, Ernie Pyle, Barbara Walters, Edward R. Murrow, Woodward & Bernstein, etc. I couldn't imagine any of them going to press or on the air without airtight sources & triple fact checking back in the day. Now Perez Hilton & the National Enquirer are quoted by otherwise respectable newswriters & anchors as valid sources!!!
psfirst 2 years ago 8
There wasn't any particular reason that set off the massacre. I believe that it was the combination of multiple circumstances known as "the perfect storm". Psychopathy, depression, bullying, hatred, etc.
canadiengamer101 2 years ago
i have just finished the book and i have to say it was great, i would set in class and read parts and when i was done i would be in tears.
my sophmore year in high school i will be moveing in with my mom and i will be going to columbine and i cant wait
hellokatie12 2 years ago 3
very nice to hear, katie.
good luck at Columbine.
davecullenwriter 2 years ago 2
I have not read this book yet. I am currently a Senior at columbine and grew up in Littleton all my life. Would never want to go to any other school in the world nor live anywhere else.
i1love1music 2 years ago
i just finished the book a few days ago and i just wanted to say thank you for writing such a true account of the tragedy. it was a horrific event we all know. thanks for sticking with it and giving us this book. im an art student in england and my work is evolving around the tragedy. the book has helped me an awful lot. i am working with their writings and the aftermath that they left. its a difficult subject to work with but if your interested i would love to talk to somebody about it.
mckenny2k4 2 years ago 3
I just finished your book. Really enjoyed it. Can't even begin to imagine what you went through to write this, not just the research and the hours poured into it, but also the emotional impact.
badger1997 2 years ago
thanks, badger. i had two bouts of secondary PTSD (which i didn't even know existed when i started): the first year, and then unexpectedly in 2006.
it beat me up emotionally many times, but i also got great satisfaction from sorting through it all and trying to bring it to life for others.
i love writing, and would not want to do anything else.
davecullenwriter 2 years ago 3
Selfishly I didn't think about the emotional toll it would have on you.
Thank you for taking this, and everything that went with it, on.
lbauerlein 1 year ago
You know the shocker for me was not the actual crime. It was how the families and others acted afterward. These families and the community at large, had so many hurdles to clear, the Klebolds and Harris' doubly so. But, the hate (directed at the K and H families) the lawsuits and the rumor mill. These are the tragedy's that followed the tragedy. Now some people really tried to help the situation but some just used the situation to their own ends. That is the saddest commentary of all.
flyingheart2 2 years ago 2
I just finished this book. I though it was great.
CouldIBeYou 2 years ago 2
Congratulations Sir...
marcocoiatelli 2 years ago 3
Hey Dave Cullen, I found a mistake in your book and I want to know who I should call to see if the mistake is in every book! PS the rest of the book was great
Paulwhoisvegan 2 years ago
I haven't read this yet but I'm planning on going to the library tomorrow to retrieve it. I'm now desperate to get my hands on it after watching this video:) as I have a strong personal interest in the columbine massacre, particulary Dylan like Dave Cullen does!
MrJFlashify 2 years ago 3
I always thought they both got what they wanted.
Dylan sawed it as a way out.
Eric got to hurt people.. AND not be held under the law!
ZombieCallum 2 years ago
Thanks for the really nice messages here. They mean a lot to me.
davecullenwriter 2 years ago 3
Your book really brings me to fully understanding the people! Its...amazing! The book brings such clarity and understanding!
Paulwhoisvegan 2 years ago 4
I read the book and I use to worship eric and dylan before because I was a loser at school but your book chanegd my opnion
ZombieCallum 2 years ago 4
wow. that is one of the most refreshing responses i've ever gotten. thanks, zombie.
davecullenwriter 2 years ago
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Damn.
I need to buy this book BADLY :/
But I do want to know 1 thing. What did you say about Dylan Klebold?
DVJFan 1 year ago
Congrats Zombie. :) I too was what I thought was a loser at school but now that that's far behind me I know that I was just a good kid who wasn't popular. Don't let anyone else tell you you're not good enough.
lbauerlein 1 year ago
@ZombieCallum worship them?? is that a sick joke, what the fuck is wrong with you.
jackbond64 1 year ago
@davecullenwriter fake
ssiobhann 1 year ago
this is my favorite book. david cullen is an amazing writer and does this sad tragedy justice. well informed, well written - i would (and have) recommend this to anyone.
coffeemuffins 2 years ago 16
best book.
mikethedevil10 2 years ago 6
i feel exactly as he does about klebold. it just seems like such a giant leap. this book is fantastic.
icantmakemyownblood 2 years ago 18
icantmakemyownblood, dylan saw that as his way out because he wasn't going to slit his wrists in the bathtub, he took it..
ZombieCallum 2 years ago
thanks. dylan was the great mystery to me for so long. intellectually, i could understand the phenom of angry depressives who commit murder--there is a long history of them--but it was hard to see dylan actually doing it.
then i read his journal. his two tormented years, being pulled in many different directions. then i got him.
i hope i conveyed that.
davecullenwriter 2 years ago
Dave cullen really did write a fabulous book here. It is so well written and offers a perspective of certain aspects of the shooting which bring it to life in such a stranbge and vivid way. They certainly were not blood brothers or bonded by some shared rage as we once thought. I don't agree intellectually with everything Cullen writes but it is a fabulous book. He is also a really nice guy, email him anything about his book and he will give you an in depth response. He is so dedicated to fans!
bpatrice49 2 years ago 6
i think the first key to understanding "the killers" is that they were two different people. VERY different. you have to untangle them to get anywhere.
davecullenwriter 2 years ago
No problem! this is a really good reality pill which should settle everything, all the rumours, and replace it with facts! great research and clearing it up for us :) and yeah really easy to read i'm 17 I was expecting i'd be slow on it, but the words you used was great like girls of love interest as Chicks for example ! liked it very much.
ZombieCallum 2 years ago
great book
jennadrums 2 years ago 2
sad story, but an amazing book
JsciclunaK 2 years ago 4
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Love love love this book.
flm3454 2 years ago
this is such a sad story
Apink420 2 years ago
Also - Randy Brown talks down about your book, but most bullied youth do NOT do what these two did...Randy is (with all due respect) in his own bubble, and I can empathize, but it's not OBjective.
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TheAmazingstarman 2 years ago
I just did a fairly in-depth paper on this tragedy, and Dave Cullen's book is absolutely fabulous.
Kudos to your efforts to look into such darkness, Dave. I know how dark it was just doing the research for my paper, let alone over an entire decade...Wow.
PhDMission 2 years ago 4
great book, i am reading it now and gives me a comepletely different perspective i had before i started it.
101southdrum 2 years ago 2
great book. im glad he wrote it. so many people have a skewed perspective on who eric and dylan were. this guy did a good job trying to explain it.
i highly recommend this book to all.
inv8rtak 2 years ago 4
I own the book (& have read it) - lol.
It is very informative, and presents a clear message. The book is dedicated to the victims of the attack, and also to Patrick Ireland, who was a survivor.
Read Collumbine.
jeysen8 2 years ago 3
dylan depressed wanted to die. hated himself. angry full of built up rage. turned the rage inside onto other people which explains his fun during 20th. also he got his reward and died at end. eric was angry wanted to hurt people but couldnt because then he'd be held under small brained authorities so only way is to kill then commit suicide after. he wasnt suicidel or depressed. he just wanted to kill but not held under the authorities! simply awsnerd!
UKcallum 2 years ago
I'd recommend Ralph Larkin's book--Cullen ignores completely--even praises--the atmosphere at Columbine High School before the shootings.
hopkins4545 2 years ago
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MadMAn12gauge 2 years ago
I talked to pekka erik avunein naturalselector89 like 2 months before shooting.. just breifly on YT.. and this guy has done research on pekka.. and also been inside columbine and spoke to people involved with columbine.. i'm honoured that i'm connected to eric and dylan in some way!!! WOW!!
ZombieCallum 2 years ago
Great book..
darkfire42590 2 years ago
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he pretty much explains why all of us school misfits understand E and D and look up to them in some way.
ZombieCallum 2 years ago 2
yeah I know..
darkfire42590 2 years ago
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Ive looked up to them since 7th grade. Only because i saw why they did it..i began highschool.
KMFDM420 2 years ago
I heard about them in 1999 but didnt really research or care... i saw news report about cho and i remember seeing the cafertira footage of columbine and me thinking.. why arent they mentioning that long haired guy and just this cho guy i thought it was for that.. then after the net guy I knw naturalselector89 did his rampage I looked it up and found out columbine that way
ZombieCallum 2 years ago
Really? Shit i remember the feud between him and the amazing atheist, but i thought he just left youtube. Ill look up naturalselector89s rampage..
KMFDM420 2 years ago
Yeah twas like 2 months after i'd met him.. my friend osten22 came running to my fpscallum page and told me that you remember naturalselector89 he was the one who killed those people and i said who? what? then i rememebrd and saw news.. at the time he was in hospital. then he died the next day from the wound.
ZombieCallum 2 years ago
okay for real, i said you were obsessed before i even read this.
damnit kid eric harris was just a kid who played doom, dreamed of girls whom he never got, and fantasized about a world where only he existed.
dylan was a suicidal misfit with a temper who obsessed over a girl...but was too big of a coward to talk to her. socally he was weak and thats how harris talked him into doing this...he didnt even shoot at anyone when he was alone, he just wanted to kill himself
and YOU LOOKED UP TO THEM
milkyze 2 years ago
Eric was more than that and so was Dylan. Actually, Dylan shot Kyle Vasquez while Eric was starting to go somewhere else in the library. So what if i looked up to them? Did i go on a rampage? No. So, i dont see a problem with it. I looked up to Eric and Dylan for who they were before the shooting, not directly because of what they did. Eric and Dylan both seemed like an alright pair of kids to hangout on a saturday with.
KMFDM420 2 years ago
god damnit kid, i work at a prison and have met plenty of eric and dylans...only these guys wernt big enough cowards to kill themselves. none of them are special, either smart kids who got mixed up in the wrong stuff. Or guys who have problems
the fact these columbine kids threw away their whole lives for what? an hour of chaos, infamy..they are dead, it could have been anyone.
i guess how from your perspecive u could see them as "above average" kids. but there are tons of kids like them.
milkyze 2 years ago
I see them as above average as how their vocabulary wasnt that of an average teenager back in 99. These kids were smart kids, they couldve been much more than two kids who killed 13 people including themselves, more than two kids who are remembered by the world every year on the news. They chose the wrong path and that was their life, so much potential wasted because of assholes, and their own self destructive life styles.
I see Eric and Dylan for who they were before the shooting.
KMFDM420 2 years ago 3
-- and i think they were a pair of cool kids that i wouldve hung out with, or fit in with.
KMFDM420 2 years ago
this is funny your getting mad at posters here , there is many more eric and dylans in this world , they just have not done anything so far ....just make them snap and its going to happen again its all in there up bringing .....so dude just go to work you say you work at a prison just log off and get to work
rustedfear 2 years ago
just finished the book and thought it was great. i'm sure there were alot of people who did not like eric, but i dont see how that contradicts him also having friends. tragedy.
Tom0533 2 years ago
through all the research I have done it pretty much lets you know that Eric was not well liked
LeeseeLee1 2 years ago
I just finished reading this masterful book. I recommend it whole heartedly. I was crying through portions...it's difficult reading at times, but uplifting as well.
I e-mailed Dave Cullen to give him feedback and to thank him for his work. He very graciously responded.
anglicansag 2 years ago 4
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this book.. is a lie. nothing but a lie. it is neither 'masterful', nor should you recommend it because it is UTTER bs.
ColorOfSnow 2 years ago
The ENTIRE book is a lie ColorOfSnow ????
You seem like a deluded, angry person with an agenda.
Grow Up. The Research and Scholarship in this MASTERFUL book is obviously apparent.
anglicansag 2 years ago
well first of all this guy dave cullen is just some douche bag that wants to make fast cash on an easy story to cover.
Dave cullen reminds me of the same douche that tried to sell records with his song "where were you on 9/11"
explioting the event...All any of you do is Glorify things like he media...It really pisses me off to want to watch the news at any random hour the past month just to hear more Coverage of micheal jackson....Jackson is not as important as the 4,500 dead troops
MadMAn12gauge 2 years ago
Its because theyre doing something they dont want you to know about. Im sure Obamas trying to get another bill that further restricts what little freedome we have left. Fuck the troops anyway..they always cry and shit "my husband died" "my dad died" , Well dipshits, we dont have a draft..he, you, and everyone knew the job was dangerous when he signed the fuckin papers. Not saying micheal jackson is a better topic..but.
KMFDM420 2 years ago
wow.. you are beyond idiotic. most troops go overseas so that when they come back, they have better job opportunities waiting for them, rather than stay and wait for years for their dream jobs. your just ignorant for saying those things, because if you weren't, you would have more respect bud.
alieea396 2 years ago
sure it is...NOT!!
darkfire42590 2 years ago
i completely agree with you!
i think its sad that everyone believes it.
this is just what people want to hear.
shaelurr 2 years ago
there he goes again lying.
"eric harris was well liked"
he and dylan were the losers of the losers- brooks brown
kingshahine 2 years ago
well i have a question for you, how good of friends was brooks brown with harris and klebold through highschool? from what ive heard they stopped being friends freshman year or so, because of some website. i think the person who would know best would be that "kibbz" or zack (forgot last name) or else a psychologist/writer like cullen who studyed Columbine LIKE CRAZY. he studied The students, the teachers, the diarys, pretty much everyone and everything surrounding the situation. hit me back
milkyze 2 years ago 2
brooks brown was best friends with kleboid, and he reconciled with eric his last year of school.
But they actually had bad blood between them, before that
kingshahine 2 years ago
Psychologists cant be the people who bring things into facts. Ive had three psychologists, they all told me something different. People can study things all their life, and only know a step up from what the average person knows..but this cullen guy, will never know how Eric and Dylan were.
KMFDM420 2 years ago
damn, all these arguments from you on this video and your user name is KMFDM...sounds like somebodys a little obsessed
milkyze 2 years ago
Nope, i just hate how people go off of second hand knowledge without trying to research it themselves. KMFDM is a band i like to listen to.
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TheAmazingstarman 2 years ago
Columbine is an astounding peice of true crime writing. One of the finest books to be written in Truman Capote's tradition. Completely erodes all of the glory in what Eric and Dylan did and offers a chillingly refined portrait of the two. They emerge neither particularly close nor tragic in the traditional sense. The event it upheld in all its horror and hopelessness. You don't know columbine until you have read this. Bravo Cullen!
bpatrice49 2 years ago 3
0:30 it says "in remembrance of the twelve students..." it should say "in remembrance of the FOURTEEN students and one teacher from the columbine high school who tragically LOST THEIR LIVES on April 20, 1999".
You religious people make me angry i thought you were supposed to forgive and be kind, doesn't it say to love your enemy and not hate him in the bible? If there really is a God I hope he kills all you false believing pieces of shit soon...
TheFuseIsLit1 2 years ago 2
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God doesnt exist so why bother talking to those parasites? besides people that believe in god are all a joke anyhow they dont practice what they preach...they all are a bunch of hypocrites like ted haggard...a bunch of sub human trash
MadMAn12gauge 2 years ago
Even in death they were treated like outcasts...Just shows you how far ridicule in Columbine went.
KMFDM420 2 years ago
A thorough look at Columbine...thanks to Dave Cullen for his attempt to piece everything together...definitely recommend reading this book.
aimeeirene 2 years ago
A careful and sensitive book, searching for answers if there are any.
MissHoney81 2 years ago
This book is amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time to do the research on this subject. Especially the chapter about the media & how it caused so much confusion with the investigation.
miaj004 2 years ago 2
its a decent book. Yes the media was fucking stupid about manson, and music and movies. But read no easy answers by brooks brown. I think if you combine the two themes of each book you can see how columbine happened. Brooks Brown said the bullying towards eric and dylan was horrendous, even one student went as far to say that he saw their hitlist and said finally someone did something. ERic was probably a psycho, and dylan tagged along but bullying was the catalyst and gave them a target
kingshahine 2 years ago
Good book, A must read for the people who really want to know more about eric&dylan. Dave did an outstanding job covering this.
HorrorGuy1214 2 years ago
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Dave Cullen's book is so inaccurate, that most Columbine parents who actually KNEW the killers to some degree are calling it a farce.
Say what you want about Brooks Brown. I'm sure he missed some important details. Brooks wasn't as close to Eric as Dylan was, or vice versa, but he certainly knows more about them than Cullen does.
Cullen, instead of looking from the perspective of Eric and Dylan, focused more on the opinions of classmates who just knew OF them, and outsider psychologists.
keyboardplaya 2 years ago
I would disagree
thetruth117 2 years ago
After hearing Dace's interview on Coast 2 Coast am I just had to go read the book. So many things that were reported about Columbine back 10 years ago were just false. Great read!
lordfinbar 2 years ago 3
Its now being said that Harris didnt take anti-depressants, yet the Columbine Report & friends clearly stated he did. And its now said that they werent outcasts or bullied yet Brooks Brown stated both killers were "the uncoolest kids at school' the losers of the losers." And even in interviews its said that Harris complained he was bullied and they were indeed outcasts in their own way.
I dont believe the new information coming out is true because years of evidence against it is strong.
skudsoldier1 2 years ago
They were definitely not in the "in crowd" but they had a fair amount of friends. I don't doubt at all that they were bullied but there are many reports that they were bullies themselves. And just about everyone agrees that Eric was charismatic and charming. So while im not dismissing the troubles they went through, I think the whole "bottom of the barrel" claim by Brown has been essentially debunked by everyone that's done any research.
hvaughan5 2 years ago 2
I heard this book tears down alot of what was thought to be known about the killers. But Im at a loss on many things about them. Read Brooks Brown (best friend of Dylan and friend of Eric Harris) "A Truth About Columbine" book and then read this one. They contradict each other, but who are we to believe: Dave Cullen's viewpoint or the best friend of one of the killers??
skudsoldier1 2 years ago
Don't believe neither cause each book is missing alot of detail.
LeonSKennedy333 2 years ago
I prayed for the killers for a couple of years and still have the article describing their lonely funeral. I believe that their souls and their families are worth the prayers. I am extremely grateful for Dave Cullen for doing this investigation. We need to recognize sooner the intensity and negativity of these personality types, watch unusually violent attitudes and their related activities, pay attention to isolated incidents of unusual anger, attitudes of extreme irritation,
mariannepburns 2 years ago
Great journalism, Dave. Just finished the book yesterday. My assumption ten years ago was that the shooting was motivated by bullying and harassment. It's a shame the police didn't take the Browns more seriously. Too many times these kinds of complaints are ignored because they are viewed as family feuds.
amishrakefighter 2 years ago
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Dave Cullen is a fucking moron, who is full of shit and needs to die. Hopefully someone blows his fucking head off with a shotgun. NBK. Coming for you next cunt!
igasigas 2 years ago
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The Trenchcoat Mafia at :39 is representin for real! sawed offs are bad haha
euskaldanak 2 years ago
Thank you guys so much for these wonderful comments. I do read them, and I'm grateful that so many of you have been so kind.
Dave
davedrudru 2 years ago
omg i feel so sad 4 the poor kids who died and were hurt and i wish that it would have never happened
linsey2cats 2 years ago
I was a high school student when the Columbine shooting occurred, and I remember spending months afterward trying to avoid the incessant, inflammatory lightning media rounds that jump to so many conclusions, so suddenly. Thank you for taking your time, and doing in-depth research on a topic well-deserving of time and attention in a serious way.
woldewhosonolden 2 years ago 3
The media is guilty of gross malpractice. No one should ever watch TV news, national or local, or read newspapers except for sports, comics, and coupons. Only use newspapers on the bottom of birdcages. People go into journalism when life goes horribly wrong.
bobcrunch 2 years ago
Until I heard an interview with Cullen on NPR today, I had no idea that the killers weren't bullied.
Anyway, I've read good reviews on the book and I'm going to pick it up.
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TheAmazingstarman 2 years ago
@TheAmazingstarman
Your fucking clueless kid. You have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Shut the fuck up and do some REAL research. Idiot.
vakt69 2 years ago 3
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TheAmazingstarman 2 years ago
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TheAmazingstarman 2 years ago
If you did do that research you must have a REALLY hard time understanding things. Just shut the fuck up, you know nothing of what you speak. I promise you I know more about this than you.
Dont bother responding to me untill you learn something. Your not even worth arguing with yet cause your so wrong.
vakt69 2 years ago
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TheAmazingstarman 2 years ago
do some real research lol??did you actually read the full 11,000 page report on columbine?if so then hands (respect to you).
legend1617 2 years ago
Yes I read the11k. Among many other things.
vakt69 2 years ago
then much respect to you! :)
legend1617 2 years ago