StarCraft 2 - Siraz - MioWeRRa(Terran) vs (Protoss) - Metalopolis - part 2 of 2

[ijustwannabeadrummer]

TOSS OP! ^^

[Cronicwisdom]

protoss is imbalanced!

k thx bye

[awadhera]

Both players were so narrow minded.

[Pepsicolaftw]

This must be the best and the worst game I've ever seen.

[nroland99]

my dad wonders what sport i liked, so i showed him this

i have proven that video games are a sport

[Stormpage28]

i personally woulda had tons of dark templars here

[MickeySiller]

Ghosts would had made the job

[Leokawai82]

Terran player stupid. He should use banshee and viking for offence and Maruader ghost for defence.

[Leokawai82]

conclusion: lack of ghost. player dont know how to use EMP.

[XDDavezXD]

toss is op

[xtapzs]

and he has 8 barracks, not 6. learn how to count

[Panterashredder]

annoying voice

[xtapzs]

@Panterashredder he cant comment for shit too

[camaxo02]

Inmortal Fail, it would have been quiker with inmortal against marauders xD but very pro... joke hahahahahahaha!

[1narial]

great!!!!!

[M9helghast]

Yo, you shouldent commentary it sounds like your takeing a shit while talking

[ea7side]

P transition to Collusus is when P started swinging ahead and getting able to stop those harassment attacks. 2 storms and a couple lances kill the units instead of letting them heal up and come back in 2 minutes. T should have transition to viking/banshee to force less collusus and more stalkers but this happened too late.

T slight mismanagement of resources by spending too much gas and not enough minerals left him with a ton of minerals at the end and little army comp choices at the end.

[xitongzou]

The Terran player had so much resources... I wonder why he didn't go for more Banshees and Vikings seeing all those Colossi. MMM can only go so far....and also shud've gotten more tanks too.

[Raidbossike]

This toss player needed to research the templar energy upgrade A LOT sooner to prevent the lack of storms on fresh templar

[Raidbossike]

I keep hearing in commentaries and reading in peoples comments about these "hunter seeker" missles. Are people so influenced by certain individuals that they will report incorrect information consitantly? Also does it bother anyone else that people say Robo Bay instead of Robotics Facility?

[virusavatar]

Look @ 4:54. 5 very damaged T1 units take down a full HP T3 unit in 5 seconds and lose... 1 marauder. ONE MARAUDER. Balanced like a fight between a crippled man with a cane and a man with a gun.

[Fuckyoubloodymoron]

@virusavatar

Eh, that's an oversimplified way to look at it. If the Colossus hadn't tried to run away, it would've done way more damage; its attackers weren't that badly damaged and you just ignore the units' unique properties and compare "T1 vs. T3" units. Marauders do bonus damage against armored units, and Colossi can do alot of damage at long range, but can't take many hits.

This one didn't have a meat shield and ran away. You can't win by running away from a faster enemy.

[drcharleslttd238]

and the siegetanks and the thorss.. billion errors; immortals counter all of htem but in the first part of the game that will give him more territory control, then switch to vikins + banshees with cloacks to attack the prduction of all the protoss nexus and preasure him

[underwatercookie]

@drcharleslttd238

Siege tank + thor is hardcore wupped by immortal and chargelots which the Protoss could easily swap into. Banshee + viking is hardcore lolled at by stalkers, which the Protoss can also easily switch into. Terran's did build vikings to respond to Colossus. And Protoss responded with stalkers. That effectively shut down any and all viking vs colossus fights with simple and easy microing. Terran chose to stay at marauders to keep protoss at zealots. Problem was lack of ghosts.

[everettfamily1]

The commentary annoys the fuck out of me, Im sorry. You cannot get that excited over just starcraft.

[underwatercookie]

@everettfamily1

There's two things you can do about it. Like it, or nothing. :)

[Kochopsticks11]

terran should have switched to vikings and toss should havegotten immos

[sillysammeh]

if someone hasn't mentioned it already, the green player's name in direct translation is "ssoja"

[craziii3]

he needed vikings for the collosi.

[radagastthe3rd]

neither player was insanely good. They both are failures at responding. Terran should have had vikings a long time ago and the Protoss player had a ton of units just plain wasted.

I'm unsubbing you.

[Kungpowish]

@agostinho but the thing is, the terran out-expanded the toss but still lost, because he only went infantry. The only reason he lasted so long was he used ghost emps, had decent harass ability and was just better situated for much of the game.

[agostinho1234]

that sucks to see with just infantry and medivacs terran could bring so much damage with a mix advanced protoss army ¬¬ thats why they should nerf the "infantry ball" to force terrans to produce other units too and make the game more strategic that it is!!!

[GizmoMofo7]

there should be a patch nerfing terran T1 so it can be more diverse legitimately

MMM and throwing some air units is not diverse at all, not creative either.

[iamheretowatchh]

enough is enough...marauders need to get nerfed BADLY...lower their health to 110 hp and their damage to 10+6 vs armored!!

[GizmoMofo7]

@iamheretowatchh true true

[yeaaboiikAss]

Very good game, cast was good but your orgasms were so-so

[Ccolebrooked]

DIVERSIFY UNITS. Marine Marauder vs its hard counters will always lose.

[collegeisdabomb]

great casting man. ur quite good.

[Joesterisk]

the korean name translates to oGsRally fyi

[Frejborg]

So, all the players whining about terran imba from the last cast can shutup? Mio threw hundreds of Marauders with Medivacs at the Protoss and still lost. While it was still strong, in the end, the Protoss player got the right unit comp and defeated the Terran!

[Ccolebrooked]

@Frejborg Most of the whining is about terran mech. Having tried to play toss I gotta say, it's tough. I'm not sure. Maybe mass pheonix would work with a strong ground army.

[Frejborg]

@Ccolebrooked Well I was talking specifically about the comments from the previous shoutcasts by crota and they did complain about marauders. For Mech, well stalkers own Thors and Vikings.. just need to deal with siege tanks, but heavy mech army is very immobile, and you can take advantage of that. Also voidray is strong against mech as well. What about mass stalker/voidray versus heavy mech terran? The speed upgrade for voidray makes them much easier to micro. Not that I'm a pro or anything.

[Ccolebrooked]

@Frejborg Yea you're right about void rays. However, when I get crushed by mech, or am crushing someone with mech, it's usually the mid-late game push before they have a chance to mass void rays. With good scouting you can have vikings ready to counter any kind of base harass while you're slow pushing their balls off.

[GizmoMofo7]

@Frejborg it's true, don't deny it you ass shit

[Frejborg]

@GizmoMofo7 Calling me names doesn't make it true.

[MadMetalMacho]

Are you canadian? Never noticed before but thought I heard the canadian accent in this replay.

Anyway, E.M.P. is short for something like electric magnetic pulse (forgive me if that's not exactly it) but is an abbreviation and should not be pronounced like a word but as individual letters :)

Cheers for the gg, although both players seemed way too passive especially early on in the game, and the terran didn't make any adjustments and just kept throwing money instead of tech at the problem.

[SirazTV]

@MadMetalMacho Im actually Minnesotan. and lol i know what EMP stands for its just a bad habit of mine to call it emp. It comes from when I was playing StarSiege.

[MadMetalMacho]

@SirazTV eh close enough to canada! (heh i'm european what do i know...). I guess it was the way you pronounced "about" and similar words that make you sound semi-canadian :P

[YOUchris15]

i hate his voice...sounds like hes going to cry

[SirazTV]

@YOUchris15 lol i do actually especially at the begining of this replay.

[SVMrBlueSky]

I think that terran did make 1'st armor uprade agains the storms man ;d

[bigdave6592]

Probably the best TvP I've ever seen.

[Spiritguise]

Emp is not a word, and emps do not go off. They are EMPs! I was going to forgive it once, and then it happened a good four or so more times.

[BahdVibeZ]

This may sound dumb but how come I've never seen any Terran player use Battle Cruiser's?

[MrSpacepeet]

@BahdVibeZ I think cuz u didn't watch enough TLO-videos xD

[managarm1349]

wow

[ShadowSonic64]

11000 mins and no upgrades? (o_o). Also, i really dont get why people pick vikings over banshees. They're better against the colossus can cloak and harass more effectively.

[Scriblium]

@ShadowSonic64 Banshees are more expensive and take longer to make while the Vikings are extremely cheap and you can make two of them at the same time with a reactor (plus you don`t need any special upgrade like cloak to make them even more expensive). Not to mention the range of 9 that the Vikings have in the air.

[ShadowSonic64]

@Scriblium

hmm banshees are only 25 more gas which isn't that bad. i do agree with all the effort and preparation thats needed to make them the most effective. but overall in the long run they do pay off more than vikings do. you dont see many vikings with over 10 kills of probes.

[Scriblium]

@ShadowSonic64 Quite true about the probe kill part but it`s also part of the preference of the user of these aircrafts :P Sometimes you can just choose what you like more as both work for the same situation (like PsiStorm vs Colossus ThermalRange , both for defeating bioballs like MMM and zergbunches)

[ShadowSonic64]

@Scriblium

yeah i agree. it is all about preference and using the right units for the right situation. i guess i lean more towards banshees because i think they're cooler :P. you never really see mass banshee w/ viking support strategies. would be interesting.

[Scriblium]

@ShadowSonic64 I`d actually love seeing that ! It could be one of the stronger builds if you manage the resources for it.

[ShadowSonic64]

@Scriblium yeah you'd have to include a raven also against protoss to take out obs. i agree though, it's just such an expensive build to pull off. you'd basically have to successfully turtle and harass much as possible. i'd be a nice change from the 3m build though.

[Scriblium]

@ShadowSonic64 If you don`t like ravens you can always go ghosts to emp(also useful mid battles) the heck out of the invisibility cloak of the obs or a scanner sweep :P But if ya get at least two/three ravens in that air army , you can really do some damage against many things with the Seeker Missiles. Add in at least one BattleCruiser and you got a full Terran Air Army. (minus the medivacs of course; unless you want em ghosts to come by and snipe/emp)

[ShadowSonic64]

@Scriblium i really wish people used the hunter seeker missle more often. i wonder what would happen if someone tried to shoot a bunch of probes with one. would it be the same of an old school reaper attack? now that i think about it an air army might be more possible than i thought. banshees are slightly cheaper than tanks and are a lot more mobile. cloak could be devastating if a player managed to take out all of the detection.

[syther753]

epic!!!!

[Idontplaysports]

i like this guy but when he gets excited its more like hes trying to be happy without his mom waking up.

[lazy408]

i love seeing the fleshy terrans died from psi storms

[lovekristie]

terran has 6000 min in the bank. use it!!!!!!!

[Lenaxia]

Hey Siraz, you do good with casting but you tend to jump around a lot. It makes it difficult to watch the cast. Also when you stop you tend to stop either in dead space or away from anything at all. My suggestion is to not drag the box on the minimap as that makes for very jerky movements... Try edge scrolling, it's smoother.

[chaoticsuperguy]

EMP come on terran

[totocows]

great game from both players, but when protoss geets more expansion than you as a terran player and you do just mass army battles. You are going to lose in the end.

[althero]

Having 10k in the bank is not a good thing...

[defeaterofgames]

his name is anal masterbation

[dsjanc]

his korean account name is soza

[shoelace510]

Siraz you should look more at the expansions in the late game, to show which are still mining for each. :) In this 2nd part I just really wanted to know which bases the Terran was still workin on. Otherwise nice work! :)

[Machdude]

If this had been an actual story event, I can see the Marines and Marauders going "Why the hell are they still sending us in when we need Battlecruisers?"

The problem with the Terran in this matchup is that he didn't expand into air and while the Marine/Marauder bioball is a great anti-protoss strategy, You need backup against those Colossi.

[Lemt]

Nice game. IMHO the terrna lost because of sitting on so many minerals.

[CatalystDestiny]

@Lemt Terran lost because he stuck with infantry when toss had all the anti infantry counters (when high templar come out, it's game over for terran infantry)

[leowy1]

@CatalystDestiny Way to spoil it for me.

[Tycondaroga]

Poor terran play imo, despite the fact that the split-army attack that he made was great. I have to watch it again to see how such a big economy advantage cannot pay off.

Btw, Siraz - very nice commentary, as always :) Keep the good work up!

[Jonasfixethereal]

Very good. The protoss player it´s really good, the terran not even ith marauters can stop that.

[CowboyPete]

I don't get how you can NOT go air when your opponent is pumping nothing but marauders and medivacs all game.

[SpEcImEn128]

Both players are soooo bad compared to real pros eh

[AzureSky317]

Please spot those EMP and the first few HT that showed up can't storm because there were not "energy upgraded" (forgot the name of the upgrade) yet

[Rubberrubber111]

this is the exact same thing i go through every league match against protoss =/ no fair

[UberDarkDude666]

Terran can just drop all over the map, stim up and attack, while the protoss need mad micro to perfect storm this small forces while it can't counter attack because of the auto-repair and the Planetary Fortress. Also, Ghost EMP nulifies basically everything protoss.

[RobLoach]

Terran players have one strategy: MMM Bio Ball.

[hizzlemafizzle]

I really enjoyed this replay except you missed every single EMP that went down!

there was quite a few in key situations that really kept the high templars at bay

[mlysTe]

finally!!! the terra noob build gets owned ^^

[StudioFortySeven]

crap i wish my apm could handle a game like this... lol I get caught up in microing big battles my macro takes a big hit :P he's over here expanding and shit while double attacking wtf.

[jjchenyt]

@StudioFortySeven It's tough to keep track of it all ;P Although I think Werra's ability to keep up the micro and macro faltered as the game went on. The 11,000 minerals was pretty bad especially without a plan to dump the minerals into something (massive upgrades? tech change? fortress cheese). Otherwise the battles were seemingly going back and forth.

[BodyKnight]

I mean, you cannot just marauders into Mordor.

[Clanget]

So why did the Terran lose? Because he was mined out. 2/3 of the game was absolutely in the terrans hand. 

[DanBarzhard]

he could just planetary-fortress push the toss xD

[eric0095]

Collosus, Archons, High Temps... All AOE (Area of Effect)... Complimented nicely by Zealots and Stalkers... Tech switch was BADLY needed by Terran player, bio ball was NOT working lmao

[ellefsoneric]

banshees. :P not vikings. very few stalkers.

[coldunas]

wikings ....

[elfalomasmalo]

With soo much money he should have switched to Vikings.

[Dmcdouga7]

"Fustrating"? xD you're awesome, Siraz

[AiBuster]

did you post number 2 before number 1?