Find the Korea's land which has disappeared in the world

[Thak11]

Go China!!!! To hell with those CIA collaborators and the like ! Keep One China from illegal occupations as in 1900. World take note, Chinese civilization would not be shattered by hostile countries. Love for China.

[00099967]

Go Korea !!!! To hell with these Chicoms! Free Tibet! Free Mongolia! Free Xinjiang from illegal occupation. World take note, China will steal your country next. Love from U.S.

[Thak11]

Koreans were much later in the area. Gando originally meant explored land, Koreans came to explore, so the land was called explored land - land of the Manchus.

[redwhitedude]

@Thak11 The aspiration of Joseon I think was to gradually conquer the land that was occupied by Goguryeo. It was a very gradual process that was interrupted by Nurhachi and the invasions by Hideyoshi. I think the problem was that the border was not very well defined or demarcated as it is nowadays. The borders now are the areas that were effectively controlled by Joseon but did not include the territories that were claimed by Joseon. I think there needs to be a formal agreement.

[Thak11]

Some time later , Ming emperor asked the Jurchens reside on the land north of the Yalu and Tumen rivers.

[redwhitedude]

@Thak11 Which you are implying that Jurchens were late occupiers to those regions north of those rivers.

[Thak11]

However Ming still kept some plains region south of the Tumen River, so how could Chosun owned Gando which is north of the Tumen River ?

[Thak11]

During Yuan dynasty, the North and NE Korea peininsula was under Mongol Yuan control a province of Yuan. During early Ming dynasty Ming inherited Yuan's territories in the Korean peninsula. At this time these area were populated by the Jurchens. The Chosun people dispised the barbarian Jurchen and did not want to mix with them, they send troops to expel the Jurchens from the area. Under Chosun king flattery , Ming gave these Jurchen lands to Chosun.

[Thak11]

Talking about war who actually wants war most ? By a poll in S.Korea more than 50% people want war with China to take back so called their land in Manchuria, the false issue of Gando. A book published in S. Korea a few years back explaining it would be a golden chance for Korea to fight China for land during her period of internal turmoils became one of the best sellers in the year.

To counter these claims must China claim lands in North Korea especially NE Korea the Manchus land?

[redwhitedude]

@Thak11 false claims. Those areas did not belong to china definately until the Manchus unified China.

[BATURUSHA]

@redwhitedude the koreans originated from the south of korean peninsula,so the entire north korea and even part of south korea weren't korean territory originally.

[redwhitedude]

@BATURUSHA Nope, they are a mix of people from Manchuria and peninsula.

[BATURUSHA]

@redwhitedude lol stop lying kimchi freak,you short limbed creatures have nothing to do with manchuria go and check your dna your ancestors were basically negritos mixed with southeastasians.

[redwhitedude]

@BATURUSHA Chinese have SE genes. Koreans barely have any SE genes. We have a lot to do with Manchuria. GoJoseon, Goguryeo and Balhae are contributors to Korean history.

[BATURUSHA]

@redwhitedude Show me evidence kimchi rat,most data I read koreans have even more southern genes than those southern chinese,I have seen tone of koreans with even more brownish skins,projecting mouths,short noses than cantonese

[Thak11]

@redwhitedude

I would say retreat instead of just reside.

[uritan2012]

@BATURUSHA

i think you must shut up your mouth, because you are lying pequim duck,

manchuria belongs us and we will recover this territory, and your ancestors is negritos

mixed with southbarbarians.

[BATURUSHA]

@uritan2012 Farkeng kimchi peninsula freak stop barking shit!!!!! Your mouth stinks like shit,yes the whole world belong to kimchi freaks we all know your kimchi version of history is nothing more than a laughing stock worldwide! Freaking round nosed eyebrowless short limbed kimchi negritos!!!! Farkeng kim jung II looking disgusting spicy dog&cat meat eaters!

[ShinLa83]

If they want war, we'll give em war! Just wait until we unify though. S.Korea needs to major upgrade some N.Korea's weapons.

[Thak11]

The last agreement on current border was in1962 between China and North Korea. The boundary was fixed officially between the two countries concerned. Save yr. breath S. Korea. By a poll on the net more than 50% Chinese do not like a unified Korea and those Chinese don't like S. Koreans have more than 50% majority on the reason of S.Koreans' distorted views on Chinese history not that the close relationship between U.S. and ROK as Korean sources explained.

[redwhitedude]

It looks like a very touchy issue when Korea reunifies. The problem with China is that they are surrounded with territorial issues. Look at the lands that Russians took from China undeer the Qing. Not to mention the breaking away of Mongolia. So it wouldn't be surprising that Chinese could get touchy about it. The last agreement over the current border was between the Japanese and Qinq Dynasty because it took place just before the Japanese takeover of Korea when foreign affairs was handled by Ja

[jxtsful]

Shaddy japs and chinks.

[Thak11]

Why not use official Korean map at that time but use ignorant , unofficial European maps instead to support your claims?

Because official Korean map at that time was true to the fact.

[Thak11]

Gando doesn't exist legitimately. The area is Chinese territories.

[OprsOo]

Gando is Korean.

[Thak11]

I know why you people have ambitions in Gando, because Koreas are so cloudy with people and you need extra land to expand the economy, industries and living spaces.

Somebody in Korea already written a popular book last year stating that in time of Chinese weakness and down turns it would be golden chance for Korea to grab lands in Manchuria. You people are just waiting. Before that reasons for such act must be made up.

[2009xellos]

@Thak11 I know why you Chinese have greedy eyes on everything - Tibet, Uyghur

to build the One China Empire,

the fact is that the Jiando Treaty was made between Qing and Imperial Japan, without ever consulting the Korean Emperor Gojong,

"every treaty made between Imperial Japan and other nations are null and void"

abide the rules.

we're not saying a territory is ours out of the blue.

It's subjective fact.

WHY DON'T YOU get your boundary back to the Great Wall of China?

[Thak11]

What about the Kori thousand miles great wall , it runs South of Yalu River and leave out a great portion of land in North East Korea? You people should stay behind that Kori Cheolli wall, that is your true boundary.

[2009xellos]

@Thak11 Han River isn't Yalu, looks like someone has some mental retardation

[Thak11]

@2009xellos

I know, but don't you know what I meant ?

[Thak11]

China gave you people so much land since Tang dyansty.The first boundary between China and Silla was Han River. Japan only gets Ryuku after all these years and efforts.

You people are greedy and aggessive.

[2009xellos]

@Thak11 The world says the Chinese are the greediest people on the planet, ask them

[Thak11]

I meant Tianji Lake and the related Changbaisan section.

[Thak11]

During Ming dyansty the Ming Emperor gave up territories North of Tadong River, how come you people have Gando at that time, so does the Changbaisan you people only have it since 1962 and just half of it.

[Thak11]

@Thak11

North of Tadong River and up to Yalu River, but still kept a strategical area just South and East of Yalu River during Ming Dynasty.

[Thak11]

It is strange. Why all these dispute comments are come from Koreans in USA, but nobody from S. Korea come up for a discussion? May be in Korea you must use real name to comment so only the Koreans in USA can make all these irresponsible statement.

[Thak11]

Why not use the official Korean map made by the Koreans at that time to show the true boundary between Korea and China but use foreign wrong maps instead?

[Ilikemeows]

@Thak11 even Chinese maps show gando as Koreas

[Thak11]

@Ilikemeows

Nonsense, which map show me. You show show me the official Korean map at that time.

[Thak11]

Realtrue fabrications and misled informations.

Bullshits.

[oneyedo]

bullshit

[icouldcareless50]

軍國主義萬歲

大中國帝國萬歲

民族主義萬歲

戰爭萬歲

愛國主義萬歲

中國人民萬歲！

民主是假的

[GorguyeoGlory]

China has stolen Korean land. How dare they claim they 'helped' Koreans. They help by thieving? Why are chinese so shameless!

[Chinaforever777]

A little nuke warhead from China, will take care the little Turkey.

[consoleman09]

and radioactive air goes back to beijing. Beijing is more closer to Korea than other Chinese regions.

[icouldcareless50]

Beijing is closer? Huh I think Japan is 30 km away lol.

It's like killing two birds (one bird and one pheonix - Japan being the phoenix) with one shit!

And If Beijing gets nuked, then Bejing gets nuked.

We'll trade lives. 80 million Koreans for 80 Chinese. Happy? You win.

Let's start the war. What do you have to lose? If I'm willing to sacrifice my life for China, I expect you'd be doing the same for Korea.

[consoleman09]

Beijing is closer to Korea's capital than any other capitals. Trust me, this was why many Chinese & nomadic dynasties who held Beijing as capital always engaged with Koreans. take good look at the map. Nuking Korea isn't easy because Korea is also sitting on one of world largest uranium deposit. Korean peninsula is full of minerals.

[icouldcareless50]

lol Wishful thinking.

Korea is not sitting on any uranium deposit whatsoever. Australia is sitting on the world's largest uranium deposit.

Engaging with Koreans? You were the only barbaric nomadic tribe that didn't get turned into Chinese.

In East Asia mainland, there's only China and Korea. That's because every other nation and ethnic group has been assimilated into the Han Chinese.

If Japan didn't attack China in 1895, you'd be a Chinese right now.

If Japan didn't start WW2 you would be

[consoleman09]

Actually Korea is land of one of largest deposit of uranium according to study. Koreans were not nomads, early Koreans came from Liaoning and setup one of earliest kingdom. Pls note that it was Chinese under manchu rule during Qing. Not Koreans. Korea was discharged from vassal from Qing as Korean empire in 1890s but Japan was way too strong. Learn the correct history, your fellow Chinese were servants of Manchu.

[icouldcareless50]

Korea was discharged from the Qing Dynasty because China got defeated by Japan.

China and Japan signed Treaty of Shimonoseki. This gave Korean independence from China, Taiwan to Japan, and 200,000,000 Taels of Silver.

And everyone was under Manchu rule because they accepted the Mandate of Heaven. The Mandate of Heaven explicitly states that the Chinese Emperor had the right to rule of all Heaven.

In fact whenever a Korean became the king of Korea; it must be first approved by Chinese emperor

[consoleman09]

Chinese emperor? According to Qing's records there was no Chinese emperor. Manchu was the ruling class in Qing. Even Manchus never says they are Chinese. From correct history, Chinese were servants of manchu & manchu ruler, to show loyalty to manchu, all Chinese male shaved their foreheads & had pig tail hair style. No Koreans followed this Coz Korea was allowed to continued with their culture, don't deny this well documented history.

[icouldcareless50]

How are you defining Chinese? If you say Han Chinese, you've got a problem.

All Manchus except for Nurhaci's Clan counted as Han Chinese while Han Chinese who joined the Qing Army were counted as Manchu.

To further complicate this situation, the Oriyat Mongols were considered Han Chinese. The name Inner Mongolia describes this. Inner means closer to China.

How are you defining Chinese? Han Chinese? Manchu?

Emperor Qian Long and his 3 princes were all Han Chinese but counted as Manchu.

[consoleman09]

Not according to Qing's records. Records shows Qing founder was came from Korea. manchu never claimed themselves as han Chinese. han Chinese in 8 banners are fabricated by CCP, boo I've checked Qing's records, no Chinese showed up as any kind of rulers. after Qing became weaken, Chinese said let's kill Manchus!, Mongol, Tibet & Uighur all declared independence from Qing. Even Chinese. Don't read CCP washed up version of history.

[icouldcareless50]

You never read Qing Records because you cannot read Han letters. Nor can you read your own history because it is written in Chinese.

[icouldcareless50]

Look at me. I'm Zhuang, the largest minority in PRC. Now, Mao Zedong said Zhuang was not Han.

KMT said Zhuang was Han. Manchus said Zhuang was Han and made many Zhuang into Manchu as officials.

In Ming, Zhuang was not even recorded.

Now, what am I? Han, Zhuang, Manchu?

I'll tell you what I am. I am Chinese. I share a common language, culture, and country. I descended from the Han Dynasty 221 BC and intermarried for 2000 years with other groups.

[consoleman09]

Don't tell lie here my little han Chinese friend. This is Internet, everyone can fake the story. Boo, Han Dynasty was finished over 1600 years ago. Only desperate people would claim that long. Chinese were largely peasants during Qing era. Zhung would claim independence if they have chance.

[icouldcareless50]

Everyone was largely peasants in 1800s. In fact, America's current farm work population is 160 million. America has 300 million people.

There's a huge flaw in your argument. You don't define what Chinese is. It is impossible to debate with you if you don't define what Chinese is.

The Zhuang didn't exist in the Qing Dynasty. In fact, a Zhuang language does "not" exist. The Zhuang descended from the Bai tribes who form a large ethnic component of Southern Han Chinese.

Zhuang was created by Mao

[consoleman09]

well, all han chinese were peasants during Qing, so that will make almost 99%. That is why less than 1% fled to taiwan and 99% became communists. Communists are from peasant class. Don't try to lie chinaman, we all know chinese are good at fabrication.

[icouldcareless50]

Thank you for the turth.Chinese are good at fabrication just like the Koreans are good at surrendering.

In 1907, Korea surrendered to Japan without one battle. Koreans are more cowards than French.

This is why North Korea declared independence from Korea.

[consoleman09]

Chosun of Korea was already in decline, they had no sizable army to fight off European backedup Japan. Qing lost big time too even Russia. Chinese CCP is great at fabrication due to their communist style of accusation.

[icouldcareless50]

@consoleman09

LOL. There is a difference between fighting and lose AND NOT FIGHTING AT ALL. You chose the latter and chose not to fight at all.

Ironically, 37,000 Koreans are listed in Yasukuni Jinja. They died for Japan. They never died for Korea. Koreans are ashamed to be Koreans.

This is why North Korea declared independence from Korea in 1950.

Mao Zedong helped North Korean Independence by sending in 300,000 Chinese troops to show Chinese-North Korean comradeship.

[consoleman09]

So what there were even Chinese fighting for Japan too, you cant deny many Chinese were involved in rape of nanking. Mao scarified his son too after loosing 400,000 wounded/missing/killed. Also, Korean independent fighters were in Russia/China to fend off Japanese, even recognized by China, why didn't you mention this? double standard?

[yeleezzang]

@icouldcareless50 Do you think that 37,000Koreans fought for Japan because they love Japan? Are you crazy? Don't you know fu.king history of Japan? They occupied Korean territory for 30years and forced Korean kids to fight for Japan regardless their will. You are blaming Korea for being occupied by fu.king Japan? You'd better watch out.

[2009xellos]

@icouldcareless50 it's not "North Korean independence", you retard. They attempted to unify Korea under communism, declared themselves the rightful government of the peninsula.

37,000 are enlisted? Do you know what the Japanese did to lure them into enlisting?

you gotta hear the story, my own grandpa enlisted, after hearing his family would be fed till his age of retirement, without being asked for any payment. They never kept the promise.

confession of ex-japanese soldiers - watch it. retard,

[icouldcareless50]

Also, your belief about claiming lost land as Chinese is absolutely false.

From 1000 BC to 1911 AD, Chinese political philosophy followed the Mandate of Heaven. You could be Manchu but to be accepted as a Chinese Emperor, you must accept the Mandate of Heaven.

The Mandate of Heaven also states that the Emperor of China is the Son of God and had right to rule ALL LANDS UNDER HEAVEN. Hence, the name Mandate of Heaven.

all lands, not only Korea. Zhong Guo means Middle Kingdom. center of world

[consoleman09]

Mandate of heaven was even used by ancient Korean rulers, remember Koguryo? Nop Manchu's records never showed up as accepting themselves as Chinese. manchu was ruler of Chinese, Tibetan, Uighur, Mongols and manchu as head. Zhong gue never mentioned in Qing's records DON'T FABRICATE history.

[xFantasyartx]

Chinese are bastards, they are making war with everyone. Even on Turkmenistan they stole land.

Don't worry Turkey will protect our brothers.

Brothers from the start, are brothers till the end!

Hide behind your walls your walls wont protect you anymore in this century!

[consoleman09]

only in 20th century, before it was all manchus, not Chinese. Chinese were servants of manchu.

[icouldcareless50]

How are you defining Manchus? And How are you defining Chinese? Please define China if you are going to speak about China.

Ask yourself what is Han Chinese. You are confused about Chinese history because you don't know what China is.

In fact, define China for me right now. What is China? Before talking about Chinese history, first tell me what's China.

[xFantasyartx]

ill define china for you, HUMAN EATERS they eat people.

Ill give you my legs if i die :)

[ryunbaik]

THEY WANT WAR!!!!

[icouldcareless50]

I'm Chinese. I will make you a deal.

If you beat us in war, then you get it.

If we beat you in war, then we get it.

But, no sore losers.

History has taught you nothing Koreans. History is about the killing of others for your survival. Why do you think Japan invaded you? Do you think Japan gives a damn about "human rights?"

Do you think China gives a damn about history?

If you want it back, then attack China. It's simple.

Otherwise, shut up. You are getting too annoying.

[ryunbaik]

The world vs. China

[GorguyeoGlory]

So icouldcareless50, you are saying you stole our land, yes?

[consoleman09]

You are just another powerless among 1.3 billion other chinese. Don't try to argue with somethings is already written in history. Historically Gando was Korean's territory even Qing court agreed. China is also occupying Tibet, Ulumqi by force. Korea have beaten China is previous wars, only dumb ppl will make mistake continuously.

[icouldcareless50]

Lol

I don't care if it is written in history. If Madagascar is what China wants, then China gets it.

Again like I said, if you want to make Gando yours, then beat China in war and China will give it to you.

If you want to Free Tibet, then attack China.

If China wants Seoul and Pyongyang, China knows what to do. We don't need a reminder. NOR DO WE NEED ANY HISTORY.

I don't see how this is too hard for Koreans to accept.

[consoleman09]

China is not that strong you freak, China can't even take care of Taiwan or even North Korea by itself. Only country with no army like Tibet was captured by Chinese. Nobody wants poor Tibet. Historically Gando was Korean, even in say so in Qing's document. Not too mention Qing founder came from Korea too. Learn the truth not China commie washed up version.

[icouldcareless50]

Lol...

Take a look at the Korean War. Without China, North Korea wouldn't exist. Without China, Korea wouldn't be split in half. Read your Korean War history especially after the Americans crossed the 38th parallel.

Look at Sino Indian War. Look at Sino Vietnamese.

Taiwan's days are numbered.

I don't care about the truth about history. It means history.

And why would China need to "take care of North Korea?" N Korea is a buffer for China. As long the Koreas are separated, its good.

[consoleman09]

Korea was already divided before Korean war, that was deal between Soviet & American ally not China. Who cares about Taiwan? they don't even have title in world stage. North Korea will be out number soon. Then China will be sorry

[icouldcareless50]

Yes, Korea was first separated by USSR and America. Then, North Korea attacked South Korea. America send troops in and pushed North Korea Communists to Yalu River region.

China launches 300,000 men across border and devastates American forces ending in stalemate.

North Korea will not return. China has 1.6 million troops in Northeastern China.

You have lost your North Korea. If you try reunification, you will taste Chinese steel.

[consoleman09]

Korean records show up as 400,000 PLA, actually most PLA were wounded or dead and US was about drop A-bomb but Coz of deals between Soviet, U.S stopped advancing.

[myleeforever]

if given a chance to go back in time i rather go back to korean time...koreans are brave. they fought for their rights and for their land.

[icouldcareless50]

@myleeforever

No you are not brave at all. In 1907-45, where was your resistance? NO ONE DIED FOR KOREA'S EXISTENCE.

More Koreans died for Japan than Korea. This is why Chinese and Japanese people have a hard time believing that Koreans like Korea.

How many Koreans committed suicide for honor when Korea was invaded by Japan? How many Japanese committed suicide for honor when Japan surrendered?

This is why all your videos are a huge joke. You never lose one drop of blood for Korea.

[myleeforever]

i commented on prkorea, not to be humilited by someone...i mean we all have our own opinions it doesnt matter who you are what you believe in even you're chinese or what. we have our own minds and rights...i have my own right to say what i felt. what my opinion...people don't argue with you. i'm also chinese but i don't agree with some people who humilited someon or insult someone...we're all humans...

[ryunbaik]

How many Chinese died for the honor when Japanese invaded? You hypocrite, get lost. Go take a shower for once, you smell

[icouldcareless50]

20,000,000 Chinese died fighting against Japan from 1931-45.

1945-9, another 25 million Chinese Communists died for the establishment of the People's Republic of China.

[ryunbaik]

don't freakin lie to me. With 20,000,000 men, you could could've not only conquered the island of Japan, you could conquer the freakin world. Not even Germany in WWII have 20 million men. Don't tell me this kind of nonsense. Manchurians allied with Koreans to fight for independence. Don't give me this Chinese 20 million nonsense.

[Autumnpinkstar88]

lol that's the funniest thing i have ever heard! Then how come there are still American armys in Korea now? wow~ this comment page is filled with way too much trash! nways, im out! peace!

[eliam1212]

Let's keep it simple and true. ALL the land outside of the Great Wall once belong to Korea. It is the lost land of Korea. Someday, Korea will reclaim it.

[WuTangtst]

But how?

[eliam1212]

When there is a chink in the great wall.

[GokturkSavascisi1919]

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[hyubgaek]

Great video PrKorea, you always rock! Your english is very excellant, the video was well thought out and systematically approached, completely, totally, owned the CCP in this one. I've always wondered when Koreans were going to make an effort in this, and now I finally see the work in progress! Good Job Koreans, keep it up!

[eugeneluv]

Thank you for the good information!

[bg24955]

prkorea:

you surely specialize in name name- game. east sea, tumen, oumen,,,,,,etc.

[freedomofmymind]

Before you accuse of Korea, bring your solid evidence to show why this video is not true. I like this video because it has supported detail!!

[KeepLyingWhoCares]

This is really a case we should bring to ICJ.

[KeepLyingWhoCares]

There is no freedom of speech in China. Everything is censored by the communists, who are always lying and manipulating public opinion, which is why the Chinese in general don't have a clue to important issues such as this one. You will see very few Chinese who actually talk about the substance of the matter. Take mynehome below for example. He doesn't know anything about Gando or Tomun.

[mynehome]

Chinese don't know about "koreans wanting to get their hands on a piece of China" because your gov't didn't officially register this as a territorial dispute with the UNited nations. As soon as you do this, the media in China announce it, and all Chinese will exercise their freedom of speach by condemning Korea. No used discussing about amongst it yourselves. You won't be able to take advantage of others from doing just this.

take this case to whereever you want. we're waiting!

[freedomofmymind]

Throughout the Korean history, Korea have never went other nations to steal lands or belongings and kill innocent people. But China, they are still exercising, EXPANSIONISM - plese check out current Chinese territory claimes with South Asia nations, not to mention Taiwan, Tibet, Mongo, etc

[chinafuckaltaipig]

s korea is a fucking clown in east asia

[chinafuckaltaipig]

look at their neighbour.china russian japs.n korea.

the pitiful s korea pig in a bad location s korea pig want to death

[KeepLyingWhoCares]

It is critical for the peace of East Asia that China becomes democratic.

[freedomofmymind]

Once you opened your iron wall and internationally trade, IT IS EVERYONES BUSINESS!