And you know how Christians say Lucifer fell because of pride? "Me, me.. I.. I.." Well doesn't God command that everyone worship him and him alone and no one else? I, the Lord God...
No where in the bible does the serpent cause problems. Oh but he gets cursed for giving knowledge to Man. hmm. Who is the prideful dictator here??
true that is heaven reeally heaven if you must abide by gods strict laws still? if in my heaven i wanna have eat all day every day thaats gluttony right? so technically i cant do it heaven is just not possible even if it was created by some almighty being it just cant work and worshippiing god endlessly forever? FORGET THAT
I agree with some of what u said but you gave no support for your insistence on not following the book. I agree that we are to follow God by yielding to the power of His Holy SPirit, that He gives to those that are willing to do His will.
But ur insistence that logic tells u that we are to figure this out for ourselves and stop looking to Him for answers is without support. Tell us where u arrived at that "logic".
@j919or They are logical conclusions. And my insistence on not following the book is because NO ONE does. They cherry pick. Is this logical to cherry pick? No, we must use OUR logic in OUR times. If we destroy every bible in the world right now is God dead? NO. The BOOK is useless to use as anything other than a connection to OUR GOD by our SEARCH FOR HIM. He is not found in a BOOK. We share the SAME stuggles to deal with our revelation as the MEN who wrote that book. We need your help 2
@j919or Plz no prayers, we need action right now. Its really getting bad out here in the real world. Actions based on equality, love and kindship for ALL his creation.
@j919or And now we all know for a fact who is evil fighting evil now don't we? Anyone who worships a MATERIAL item is pure evil. ***ATTENTION EVERYONE*** @j919or is an Antitheist TROLLING youtube acting as a Christian only to insite hate torwards us REAL Christians. Plz, I beg you to ignore this evil human being. All he does is troll atheist to get them to hate other humans that he obviously has not compassion for. He is the LOWEST of all human sludge. He is a snake begging you to eat the apple.
Heaven will be amazing. The Bible says there will be no more tears. The alternative? Tormented for life in Hell. Yet, you would rather take THAT chance over Heaven? You know just as much about Hell as you do Heaven, one is good, one is bad. Yet again, you are choosing Hell?
Praise God for u twitty and for the beautiful work that He is doing in ur life. Check this out: Eph 2.6 says that we are already in heavenly places in Christ. When I believe this is true and believe its best I suddenly experience the joy of God and His presence and realize that heaven is the presence of God and that we have that presence now...to become infinitely rich and awesome later. :)
@j919or: "Praise God for u twitty and for the beautiful work that He is doing in ur life."
You are too far gone to be reasoned with. People like you will never be convinced with mere proof. You prefer to believe in a magical, invisible, telepathic super-being rather than using logic and reason to understand the world.
@j919or: Who would fall for a "weak, paperthin, illogical argument" about an invisible, telepathic super-being who rules the universe? That would be you. :)
7. God gives us the chance to experience evil so that we might be repulsed by it and forever be sure that His control is best.
8. God goes thru great suffering to rescue us from evil in order to forever assure us that His love for us is not based on preformance.
9. Just believe and ull be saved. Refuse to believe and ull be lose forever. Its that simple. God does all the work. Your part is simply to trust Him.
and I've already commented on how sin, and thus evil in this case, is not clear even by Biblical standards. So if you're going to state that we need "evil" to turn away from "evil" you have to define what evil is to begin with
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn Ignore j919or. He/she is just a brainwashed fool who refuses to be objective. I myself wasted time arguing with him/her. Also, to answer your question since he/she probably won't, "sin" (what Christians view as evil) is really only what is against YHWH, which is why YHWH can't sin even when he defies his own laws (e.g. killing people when he forbids it).
yeah I'm done with this person since I got a reply stating that the flood incident in the Bible was just a-okay because "god did it".
This is why religion is so dangerous; it takes a likely already mental case like j919or and brainwashes them into thinking atrocities beyond our comprehension are "good" so long the guy at the top of the hierarchy is doing or commanding it
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn Evil is anything done in resistence to the will of God. It is independence from God. It is not yielding to the control of God.
Therefore you are big time in sin for your whole attitude is resistent toward God and towards correction and change. BTW Gods primary goal is to change sinners into cooperative servants that enjoy God and reflect His goodness.
That's a valid point about Yahweh's heaven; if Christians believe the god of the Bible is a just and loving deity despite the fact that this same book paints him as a genocidal, sadistic, bipolar psychopath than one can only begin to imagine what it must be like living, forever, in the realm of this egomaniac sky monster.
God must hate and judge sin and those that refuse to repent of sin, in order for him to be loving. Sin is eternally destructive. Its like someone that has the plague and refuses treatment and then seeks to infect others. He must be stopped at whatever cost for the sake of others. And so God will judge and bannish atheist the religious and all unrepentant sinners that resist God and choose death and destruction by default.
@j919or You are so lost in your brainwashing that it is futile to speak to you any longer. If you wish to be so pathetically lost in your ignorance remain so, but know that I will be moving on from you to people who can still be convinced of sanity and reason.
@j919or Hahahahaha, "You assume that im brainwashed with no evidence", now you need evidence?, no, you must have faith he knew you are retarded. I having followed your trolling on CultOfDust videos, I really have fun, thank you, but, I don't know why @1Lanavis1 and other are waisting their time with you, is like is like arguing with a Cheeto.
listen to what you're saying; a god makes people as less than adequate to its requirements, than punishes them for being flawed. That would be like me building a house out of styrofoam and duck-tape than getting mad at it for falling apart.
Not to mention that this god has never made itself present to people collectively, so we don't have an objective guideline for what it wants to begin with. Even "sins" listed in the Bible have contradicted themselves with other verses
What did you accomplish here besides create a list of logical fallacies that makes your argument seem even less credible to me than it already did?
If you're going to base your argument on your god being all powerful than you simply cannot claim a simultaneous labeling of benevolence when that same god is acting in the position of a tyrant and bully
You are viewing His right to rule as tyranny, for you are a rebel. To be this rebel one must enter delusion. In this delusion u cant even see that you are the deluded one. You are temporal and connected to the earth thru inherent needs. You are weak and confused but instead of spending ur time being changed and learning from God , you spend it competing with God thru justification and blameshifting(just like Adam BTW)
@j919or Hmm so far I have seen in your posts, pridefulness (sin), boastfulness (sin), vengeance (sin), envy (sin), judgemental of others (sin). So far all I can see is that you have been given us Christians a bad name by acting worst than the atheists you are spewing your venom at. Shut up and get a life guy.
@j919or Its really not worth it for you bud. In my eyes you have been decieved by a false god church. In my church all humans are created by God and saying anything ill towards his creation is insulting him. God is love and WE can not judge his work, EVEN the nonbelievers. He will judge them NOT YOU. Get on with your life and help us in the future and not from the position on bronze age desert dwelling people that has no place in 2012. Maybe we are being tested right now to see if .. -->
@j919or (cont.) we can get off our knees and HELP OURSELVES. Maybe he wants us to stop blaming everyone else for our problems and come together as one and figure out what this is all for. Division WILL NOT WORK. Maybe he just wants us to stop looking up and LOOK FORWARD.
@j919or Your churches interpretation of the book as being perfect and not the message. The only way to do that is to grow out of the perspective of the men who wrote the bible. It was inspired by God yes, but in there first person perspective they only knew what they saw around them and it was all they knew to releal to the world. They had to condone slavery because THATS ALL THEY KNEW. We have to interprit in our times (ie. nwo we do not condone it). If we can change its only... -->
@j919or (cont) logical that God can too. I believe that God is better than us but, by your logic if we change one word of his that makes us better than him and you can believe that if you wish but I choose not too. Sorry for the type O's this computer is going and need a new one.
@j919 (cont) Maybe the bible writers spoke bad of atheists because thats all they knew. Maybe they are actually a gift from god for a perspective on the world YOU DONT HAVE. Maybe we should see them as equals for giving us SCIENCE. Maybe we can all grow up and out of all this petty fighting we all do.
@j919or What are you really fighting over? I meen if you see someone saying they want to kill babies yes fight that, but someone saying they do not believe and you think that is the worst thing ever.? God made them, they have to answer to him. Sorry to be long winded. Just my thoughts. What are yours?
@j919or Ok so either I was not specific enough, OR, (and I am not being mean here) can we add liar to your sin count, "I'm open to learn". If any human reads the bible and takes anything other than there is a God and he is love then you sir have missed the entire point. Everything else is just the bible writers efforts to make sence of their inspiration. The BOOK is not holy the MESSAGE is. So by backing your faith in God on a book, you are being decieved. Is my message logical?
@j919or You are belittling God by saying there is ANYTHING we as mear humans can do to prevent GOD from talking to us and refusing his message. That does not compute. God is ALL powerfull and can do what ever he wants. What is fact is that he has not revealed his message to us collectively, which he can do if he is God, so that there is no arguing about it. Logic tells me that he wants us to figure this shit out for ourselves and stop looking to him for answers.
What is illogical is for people to conclude that order came out of disorder without supreme intelligence and power. And tht is just the beginning of the irrationalitiy of non believers.
@j919or What is illogical is for people to assume that it is impossible for order to come out of disorder. Why would you think that order can't come from disorder. It occurs in nature. Disorderly animals (humans) gradually become more civilized (orderly) on their own with petty things like greed, gods, and idiocy dragging them back into chaos/disorder.
This is insane.Humans have the same capabilities as always. The order of the human brain doesnt increase
1.Babies are born with the same potential today as 5k years ago.Prove otherwise
2.Any increase in order comes from the available input into the mind.Someone born in the jungle will have the same primitive way of thinking as ancient peoples
3."gods" are made by man to satisfy greediness but YHWH is a God that offers righteousness,not 70 virgins for ex
It is completely logical to believe in God and entrust our lives to the creator. Actually Dusty is the peak of illogical raving maniacs.
God says in Isaiah to "come let us reason together, though ur sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow" Here we see that God wants to logically interact with us. But their is a problem that first must be dealt with, our sin. Sin warps the mind and logic and makes us hostile and UNREASONABLE and IRRATIONAL
@j919or: "It is completely logical to believe in God"
Oh sure, it's completely logical to believe in an invisible, telepathic super-being for which there is no proof. And it's completely logical to believe that this super-being created the *entire* universe in a few days.
@mikefromwa Yes it is. The universe had a beginning. Order cannot come out of disorder(2nd law). The creator must be transcedent of matter and time in order to create and sustain it all and since all matter and time must have a begining. Hence this creator would not be detectable by means that only detect matter ie. our 5 senses.
@j919or And who created such a creator. If you believe that something can come from nothing, but still believe that some god always existed and din't have to be created. why can't you think the same of the universe (or the energy - not god- that eventually became the matter that fills up the universe)
Bingo. Christians always throw out the "how can something can come from nothing?" argument, but they ignore that that's a problem which also applies to their god.
1. A creator would not create a creator for who would create the universe better than the first creator
2. The creator is not restricted by time and therefore has no beginning. The universe has been found ot have had a beginning.
3. Therefore either there are an inifnite number of creators which is ridiculous or there is ONe creator that is not restricted to time and space and mass and is eternal and infinite.
@mikefromwa The funny thing is that Christians are idiotic even by their won religion. They believe their god is all-powerful, yet that their god not only need 6 WHOLE DAYS to create everything, but also needed A DAY TO REST! That is not all-powerful. A truly omnipotent being would need less than a second and would not to rest regardless of what it did.
@1Lanavis1: Good point...why would an all-powerful god ever need to rest? lol It's just one more bit of silliness about their magical sky-daddy that makes no sense at all.
6 days to create the universe...what a slacker, lol. Maybe if he hadn't rested he'd have had time to finish the universe. :)
Nah it just means that God ceased working on the second day. Perhaps u might wonder why it didnt say that he ceased creating period but for our sake and to set up the sabbath as a remembrance it seems to ber worded this way.
Notice that God didnt exert much effort for he merely spoke and it all was. Obviously no one needs to get strong again just from speaking. So the context clearly is not teaching that God is tired like we get tired.
Heaven is the presence of God. Yall hate heaven cuz ur all at war with God. The forgiveness of sins starts the process of reversing this ridiculous attitude that is ruining ur life. It happened to me. I hated God but then I finally reealized that all my misery was my fault. And so I asked God to take my life and do whatever He wanted with it. That was the greatest day of my life and Ill never forget it.
Since then it just gets better and better with the presence of God and His joy and peace.
well, angel rape thursday would be great if you get raped by a strangly hot female angel with D-cups. its a shame that there is no heaven, or angel rape thursday :(
Dusty's only frame of reference is sexual perversion and lust. Heaven for him and for Pala would be their choice of lust(just like the Muslems who want 70virgins) and it would be horrible if the sexual perversion that wasnt their prefernce.
Heads up dudes! It all gets boring and then misery ensues. Only love for a perfect being and the Spiritual eternal realm will satisfy eternally.
Yea, you have so much joy that you want to hop on youtube and pretend you want to debate but then never provide any solid points. Somehow you define two bodies (flesh/spirit) and say its boring to worship in one, but joyful in another. Joy can be found in an anyone with balanced brain chemistry. For you, it's a delusion that leaves you outside the school of truth. I'm sure I find more joy in having intellect and being able to have guilt free fun than you have in worship and obedience. Wake up!!
Worshipping Jesus is stale ...in the flesh/sin nature. But in the Sp;irit it is the most joy ive ever felt in my life. the more I worship the closer im drawn to my creator and the more i share his power and love and boldness and JOY!
@siddharthjoshi91 Well then tell me about my "hallucinations" and we can debate what you think are my hallucinations and you will have to prove that im hallucinating. Unless of course you were just jabbering without evidence.
Its a shame, the idea of God, the symbol of God, could be such a grand thing. But religions like christianity throughout history disgraced the concept. To pile on top of that, there's idiots blindly defending it and preserving the hate, fear, and supremacy propaganda with a tiny mask of love and goodness over it. I almost want to take God back, redeem and redefine its name, but why give people the chance to make more loopholes? Isn't it vain to think something divine. humble to think human
I predict a sly insult, more BS about me being evil, confessing. Something satan. subliminal condemnation. No claims for tangible evidence. If so, a small minded association to something that takes more knowledge in science than he has. Select words to make him feel he can relate it in a secular way. Bible verse? Lame metaphor. No defense for the real atrocities and damage caused by religion. something satan. -Does life get hard in that tiny box dude?
do you want to be on the old train on old tracks with pollution to your left and a pretty city to your right or a better built train with newer tracks with a view of the world all around you? Bland metaphors don't help make your case realistic. If God exists, why did you have to read a book to know him? I'd have no problem with your belief if it wasn't a way to escape morality and judge others. Pretend to know a god that didn't create hell and loopholes.
Atheists are more christ like than christians. we speak blasphemy, truth!!! and the norm (christianity) wish torture and and death upon us (crucifixion). Suck on that irony christians.
@TrazMatik false premise leads to false conclusion. Your premise that u speak truth is not established nor is it established exactly what you are even claiming is truth. Chew on that demonboy!
I heard something about an eternal feeling of contentness/bliss/happiness in addition to whatever it is you might do there, in most of the descriptions I've been told of at least. Sure, you're in church for eternity, but apparently you love every minute of it, because you have no choice but to.
you need to watch the show I Survived: Beyond and Back. maybe it will bring some light into your life of hate and darkness. I can only pray that you will get a revelation of peace. May God be with you
@wattsnick30 ""Deucalion/Zeus story that is clearly comparible to the Noah/Yahweh ""
Here is more of the insanity that evil produces in peoples mind. This dude has no proof of this outlandish claim yet he believes it and even dares to post it.
Hey Watts, if you really believe this then debate me on it. Or admit that you are evil and desperate to stay evil and not suffer for it.
you are not atheist. you are a satanist. you are just against anything that brings joy and happiness. i figured this out from the 1st video i saw of you. and people on here are following you like mindless zombies. you need to get real. why would you want to go to hell?
@j919or i know. he claims he is a profound atheist. but he seems more like a satanist to me from the first video i have watched. he even said in this video he would prefer to go to Hell. why does he only bash Christianity anyway. what about Judaism and Islam. we all believe in the same God. i know Christians believe in Jesus but we still believe in God. and why not bash Buddhist or Taoism, Islam or Judaism for spreading love and peace just like Christianity .
@TheShanaList "what about Judaism and Islam. we all believe in the same God."
Wrong. For Christians Jesus = god. Jews and Muslims see him as just a man. Thus, not the same god.
Near death experiences have been debunked. I encourage you to look up "the god helmet". Astronauts have also had NDE's when training for g forces. Hell is a childish scare tactic used by religion to gain power.
They resist the incarnation, bc they dont want God invading their lives. They prefer a self based religion where they appease God but stay distant from Him.
Wrong muscle head without the capacity for logic. They teach the same God but Muslems distort much of the truth ABOUT that God. That God came to earth in flesh...muslems deny it. That God offers the free gift of eternal life, Muslems deny it. That God wants to live in us and change us, Muslems deny it. Muslem will die in their sins just like u.
@j919or It's quite easy to demonstrate your not a free thinker. It shows. you follow a religion that was here before you got here. How could you possibly be a free think if you have to think like god tells you? And the only example I need for a cliche is the VERY IDEA OF GOD. I think your goal to embarrass and humiliate will only turn on you. those are impure motives to begin with.
@j919or Replying to someones post with an ad hominem attack is usually 100% proof you are arguing from a position of insecurity with a weak or no argument.
I could easily say: Christians deny the beauty of the koran (divine poetry), christians deny the truth of mohammed and the angel, christians deny the truth of an illiterate man writing gods word, christians deny the science 'facts' in the koran.
You are arguing from emotion, you assertions have no evidence and can be deismissed.
@AtheistPowerlifter ""100% proof you are arguing from a position of insecurity with a weak ""
Rather I mock u bc u such an imbecile and wont stay on point. You must have a brain the size of a walnut. Now address the argument that I presented to you or admit that you cant. I will continue to mock u as u deserve until u address the points that I make and stay on topic. Are you over/under 13 years old?
@j919or I already responded. Read my 1st post. Again.
You said: "They teach the same God but Muslems distort much of the truth ABOUT that God."
Prove it. From what authority can you claim to know the 'truth' about any god?
Respond to what I asserted - that muslims can claim the opposite - that YOU distort the truth, that YOU deny the 'truths' in the quran. Why is your version "true"?
You can't but let me guess...empty tomb!!...miracles!!..eyewitnesses!!
@j919or You deny the truth about that you know in your heart? Why? The IPU is real and she loves you. Stop with this Jesus madness and accept what you know is true. Please repent before it is too late and turn to the IPU before she gets pissed and fucks you up.
Tell me more about the teaching that is under the label of this IPU. And then tell me why I should believe the IPU. The whole flying spaghetti monster argument is so stupid. THere is one God and several teachings about God. Now lets review the teaching of the FSM and the IPU. Youre going down u blathering encasement of evil and confusion.
@TheShanaList He bashes christianity like many others that were placed in a christian environment but were not changed. The evil in them never was exposed and realized. Instead of confessing their evil they confessed God to be evil. Either confess ur own sins or you will constantly be confessing the sins of others thru mockery. gossip and blasphemy until you get a full doze of evil in hell forever
Dusty is not a free thinker, obviously! He is a slave to the evil in him
@j919or Oh and you are a free thinker? Spewing the cliches of sins and confessions and the nauseating ass kissing of God. acting like you know some kind of pseudoscience/psychology of evil. Yea, very original man.
@TrazMatik give some examples of the cliches to which u refer, and why bowing to a creator is nauseating (other than the fact that you are the spawn of satan).
@j919or Ironic that you ask for examples and premises and conclusions and truth, these things are for critical thinkers, not religious fear mongers. I know that all the substance of your argument will come from your own spin of the bible and disgracing science by trying to link them. I said "WE speak truth" fuck off, i'm not gonna waste time nit picking with you. there is no debate on this issue, just a bunch of christian apologetics.Humanity is the only thing I hold at the status of god
@TrazMatik ""i'm not gonna waste time nit picking with you. ""
Take a course in logic and critical thinking and then get back to me. Meantime satan will continue to deceive u an d even convince u that hell is your best option...oh sorry u already believe that , dont u?
@j919or Like you know anything about logic or critical thinking! "God" and "Satan" words to project your own thinking. God wants me to defy christianity because Satan tainted it!? Mad to argue with you because there's no substance in your text. I have hostility for this god and fux like you that pretend to know him because you act like its so superior and don't answer to the heinous nature of the bible. I humbly admit I don't know and concern myself with humanity rather than divinty
@TrazMatik thats right traz, my goal is to embarrass and humiliate you, nothing personal, I doit just for the sake of the youth that are so easiliy deceived by ur nonsense and social pressure.
@j919or Your not gonna save any youth arguing on youtube. And its the nonsense and social pressure of religions like christianity that we have to protect them from. Stop this idea that we are inherently evil and in debt to a man who had good moral statements. Stop violating the archetype of good with this cruel story of crucifixion. Confessions don't do shit, what about truly making amends? No debate, Just stop it!! for the sake of humanity!!
For you they dont bc u dont confess to the right person or confess the right thing. Try confessing to God and that u are wicked gross evil and satan has filled ur mind with hostility towards God and God himself is the only one that can save u from urself.
BTW heaven is intense connectedness to God. I ve connectedness to God now and it awesome, heaven will be unhindered connectedness. I could care less what ill be doing as long as Im doing it with God.
I used to be full of evil like yall and hated God. I admitted that my evil and hate was all my fault and gave the controls of my life to God and God die the rest.
Im questioning one thing. HOw could anyone be so insanely foolish ot reject the gift of eternal life that produces immediate joy and peace and love? And in its place choose satan and his lies and deception and give him the right to manipulate ur lives now and later torment you forever.
@Domzdream ""Living forever sounds like a hell to me""
Bc u have hostility towards God. In heaven it will not matter what we do for the bliss will come from who we are and who we are in love with. Did u ever love someone deeply? SPending time with them is all that mattered. What u did was secondary. While did u ever hate someone? It doesnt matter how cool the concert was, you hated it bc u were with some dudes that irritated u.
Love never gets tired. You get tired of praise because its vain and empty.
Praising God leads us to greater union with Him and greater love. The greater the love and union ot the source of all joy and goodness, the greater the goodness.
Christians can maintain and attitude of praise all day long.
What distorts that now? Sin. In our arrogance we would rather leave our place and take Gods place thus short circuiting the entire operation and leading to addiction and suicide.
Love never gets tired. You get tired of praise because its vain and empty.
Praising God leads us to greater union with Him and greater love. The greater the love and union ot the source of all joy and goodness, the greater the goodness.
Christians can maintain and attitude of praise all day long.
What distorts that now? Sin. In our arrogance we would rather leave our place and take Gods place thus short circuiting the entire operation and leading to addiction and suicide.
@j919or For starters, there are many, MANY flaws in the Bible, which is supposedly the work of God himself. If this book was God's word, these would not be present.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is God able to prevent evil, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is God both willing and able to prevent evil? Then whence cometh evil?
Is God neither willing nor able to prevent evil? Then why call him God?
@MeatfortoeatALT Of course god is'nt omnipotent, sure he might be powerful but he does'nt have infinite power, not even close. If he did he would'nt of needed to flood the Earth to kill everyone. An omnipotent would destroy the enitre universe just by thinking it.
So Nano thinks that he is wiser than the infinite God and that if that God doesnt follow Nanos ideas then that God must be to weak to do so. Poor Nano.
Perhaps God wants to illustrate to all the dangers of evil and illustrate it clearly as a warning to all generations to come including Noah and his family. Also how many times should God start over esp. since more sinful ppl would live in the new universe and wreck that too.
@j919or No I don't think I'm smarter than the inifnite God because I don't beleive in God. How can I think I am smarter than something that I don't beleive in. Thats just retarded, quite like your comment. Your entire comment is void. "Perhaps God wants to illustrate to all the dangers of evil and illustrate it clearly as a warning to all generations to come including Noah and his family" Prehaps God is'nt real, thats plausable.
Nah. You are worse than i could ever describe. You are more loathsome than I could ever describe. But i was too and God demonstrates His love against the back drop of our disgusting rebellion and evil.
@j919or I understand that you're angry.I believe that Christianity labeling anger as a deadly sin is causing you and other Christians to have a great deal of repressed rage. That rage has to go somewhere, so you're releasing it on me. If you weren't releasing it on me, that rage would just fester as a mental illness.
@MeatfortoeatALT ""Is God both willing and able to prevent evil? ""
There is a forth option that people never think of since they are competing with God for right to rule. God allows evil in order to show how his wisdom and power can use it for the eternal good. Rm 8.28-9 'God works all thing for the good of making believers like Jesus.'
Evil then becomes an enoculation and a back drop for Gods love, patience and goodness towards believers. Unbelievers get to be the black backdrop
Actually faith is the evidence. Faith is like a spiritual 6th sense that perceives God. Without it you cant really know for sure. But the reason most have no faith is bc they wont admit they are evil and ask God (if he exists) to deal with and forgive the evil. Then faith comes alive. Hebrews 11faith is the evidence.
@j919or What if I had faith that the Flying Spaghetti Monster was real, and said that my faith proved his existence. Would you believe me? Of course not. Bear in mind that the Bible was written in the Bronze Age, before we had all the understanding we have today. Back then, we didn't know SQUAT about biology, atoms, electricity, pathogens, the tectonic plates, or the cosmos. So, it made sense for primitive men to "just add God" so to speak.
@MeatfortoeatALT The flying sp monster is a material object. So u only need eyes and touch to experience it. God is Spirit and so spiritual life is the only way to expereince God. So you need faith which is spiritual awareness from God to experience God.
The more we know of plates and atoms the more awesome God becomes. But if ur an unbeliever youll use any excuse for not believing and ur interpretations of science will be in accordance with ur evil desires
@j919or Let me use another example, Allah. If I had faith in Allah, does that prove Allah's existence? Of course it doesn't. And before you say that Allah is an idol, I remind you that Muslims, Hindus, and all other religions say the same thing about your God.
@MeatfortoeatALT "" If I had faith in Allah, does that prove Allah's existence?""
It would prove it for you but you dont understand faith. Allah=God. The teaching of Mohammed is another matter. The teaching of Mohammed is that God is distant and expects us to try to live a good life and we might make it if we try hard enough. This is common to all religions and characteristic of an unexpereincible God...contrary to what Jesus taught JN 14.23
@j919or Google is your friend. Look up the meaning of faith. "Having a strong belief in something without any evidence" Therefore faith cannot possibly equal proof. Also, since I don't wanna flame, do you wanna take this out in personal messages?
Suppose a Kindergartner were to create a hypothesis about why the sky was blue. His theory was that the sky was full of water and we were under a dome of glass. Of course, other little kids, who have minimal understanding of the world, accept his theory without questioning it. However, if a 13 year old child were to hear it, they won't buy it because they've read about the topic and know otherwise. We're the 13 year old kid, and the bronze age men are the
@j919or In other words, god expects us to love and worship him for the rest of our lives, and then for all of eternity, without any scientific proof that he even exists? Are you familiar with with the old machine saying: "Does not compute"?
Fun little fact: George W. Bush invaded Iraq and killed many, many people because "God told him to".
@MeatfortoeatALT waht is all that evidence?? All that it takes the prove intellegent design is simple: We are Living things. Where did matter come from?
@cooperhj1 That it unknown. However, scientists don't jump to conclusions. You assume that, simply because we don't know where matter came from, intelligent design is true. Instead of jumping to conclusions, what we need to do is collect and analyze data in order to solve that problem once and for all, instead of immediately jumping to a conclusion.
sad fact most atheists know more about the bible than most "christians"
snelson5871 3 hours ago
@GZxModzz due to the alarming amount of incredibly stupid people on the internet please tell me you're joking
crissielillie 3 days ago
Dusty! Don't you know! The Earth nor Jesus have been worshipped for 2billion years! Earth is only 6 thousand years old.
GZxModzz 1 week ago
If god thinks forgiveness why is there hell
LAcHlAn1011 1 week ago
And you know how Christians say Lucifer fell because of pride? "Me, me.. I.. I.." Well doesn't God command that everyone worship him and him alone and no one else? I, the Lord God...
No where in the bible does the serpent cause problems. Oh but he gets cursed for giving knowledge to Man. hmm. Who is the prideful dictator here??
JorEl7771 1 month ago 3
We do know that heaven will have no sin, so there will be no angel rape thursday
ChristianKid99 1 month ago
true that is heaven reeally heaven if you must abide by gods strict laws still? if in my heaven i wanna have eat all day every day thaats gluttony right? so technically i cant do it heaven is just not possible even if it was created by some almighty being it just cant work and worshippiing god endlessly forever? FORGET THAT
immortalisaac2 1 month ago
love that Led Zeppelin shirt you got there buddy !!!!
TheMetalFanaticShow 1 month ago
I agree with some of what u said but you gave no support for your insistence on not following the book. I agree that we are to follow God by yielding to the power of His Holy SPirit, that He gives to those that are willing to do His will.
But ur insistence that logic tells u that we are to figure this out for ourselves and stop looking to Him for answers is without support. Tell us where u arrived at that "logic".
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or They are logical conclusions. And my insistence on not following the book is because NO ONE does. They cherry pick. Is this logical to cherry pick? No, we must use OUR logic in OUR times. If we destroy every bible in the world right now is God dead? NO. The BOOK is useless to use as anything other than a connection to OUR GOD by our SEARCH FOR HIM. He is not found in a BOOK. We share the SAME stuggles to deal with our revelation as the MEN who wrote that book. We need your help 2
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@BigDwarren Look , BDW, I agree with u in many ways. Gotta run now but I love you bro and will be praying that God brings us both closer to truth.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Plz no prayers, we need action right now. Its really getting bad out here in the real world. Actions based on equality, love and kindship for ALL his creation.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@BigDwarren ""Plz no prayers, we need action right now""
The only action we need is the action of the power of God working in us. All the rest is just more evil trying to stop evil.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or And now we all know for a fact who is evil fighting evil now don't we? Anyone who worships a MATERIAL item is pure evil. ***ATTENTION EVERYONE*** @j919or is an Antitheist TROLLING youtube acting as a Christian only to insite hate torwards us REAL Christians. Plz, I beg you to ignore this evil human being. All he does is troll atheist to get them to hate other humans that he obviously has not compassion for. He is the LOWEST of all human sludge. He is a snake begging you to eat the apple.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
Heaven will be amazing. The Bible says there will be no more tears. The alternative? Tormented for life in Hell. Yet, you would rather take THAT chance over Heaven? You know just as much about Hell as you do Heaven, one is good, one is bad. Yet again, you are choosing Hell?
twitty0311 1 month ago
@twitty0311 ""Heaven will be amazing""
Praise God for u twitty and for the beautiful work that He is doing in ur life. Check this out: Eph 2.6 says that we are already in heavenly places in Christ. When I believe this is true and believe its best I suddenly experience the joy of God and His presence and realize that heaven is the presence of God and that we have that presence now...to become infinitely rich and awesome later. :)
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or: "Praise God for u twitty and for the beautiful work that He is doing in ur life."
You are too far gone to be reasoned with. People like you will never be convinced with mere proof. You prefer to believe in a magical, invisible, telepathic super-being rather than using logic and reason to understand the world.
mikefromwa 1 month ago
@mikefromwa ""You are too far gone to be reasoned with""
Translation:: You dont fall for my weak, paperthin, illogical arguments and so Im frustrated.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or: Who would fall for a "weak, paperthin, illogical argument" about an invisible, telepathic super-being who rules the universe? That would be you. :)
mikefromwa 1 month ago
@mikefromwa "" invisible, telepathic super-being rather than using logic..""
Translation: My perception and therefore my logic is limited and therefore Im frustrated.
j919or 1 month ago
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@j919or: You perception and logic are limited, and therefore you're gullible.
Fixed that for ya.
mikefromwa 1 month ago
7. God gives us the chance to experience evil so that we might be repulsed by it and forever be sure that His control is best.
8. God goes thru great suffering to rescue us from evil in order to forever assure us that His love for us is not based on preformance.
9. Just believe and ull be saved. Refuse to believe and ull be lose forever. Its that simple. God does all the work. Your part is simply to trust Him.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or
and I've already commented on how sin, and thus evil in this case, is not clear even by Biblical standards. So if you're going to state that we need "evil" to turn away from "evil" you have to define what evil is to begin with
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 1 month ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn Ignore j919or. He/she is just a brainwashed fool who refuses to be objective. I myself wasted time arguing with him/her. Also, to answer your question since he/she probably won't, "sin" (what Christians view as evil) is really only what is against YHWH, which is why YHWH can't sin even when he defies his own laws (e.g. killing people when he forbids it).
1Lanavis1 1 month ago
""Ignore j919or..refuses to be objective""
Translation: Our arguments lack logic and we cant compete with j919or and so you should join me in running away and hiding until I come to my senses.
j919or 1 month ago
@1Lanavis1
yeah I'm done with this person since I got a reply stating that the flood incident in the Bible was just a-okay because "god did it".
This is why religion is so dangerous; it takes a likely already mental case like j919or and brainwashes them into thinking atrocities beyond our comprehension are "good" so long the guy at the top of the hierarchy is doing or commanding it
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 1 month ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn Evil is anything done in resistence to the will of God. It is independence from God. It is not yielding to the control of God.
Therefore you are big time in sin for your whole attitude is resistent toward God and towards correction and change. BTW Gods primary goal is to change sinners into cooperative servants that enjoy God and reflect His goodness.
j919or 1 month ago
That's a valid point about Yahweh's heaven; if Christians believe the god of the Bible is a just and loving deity despite the fact that this same book paints him as a genocidal, sadistic, bipolar psychopath than one can only begin to imagine what it must be like living, forever, in the realm of this egomaniac sky monster.
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 1 month ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn ""a just and loving deity ""
God must hate and judge sin and those that refuse to repent of sin, in order for him to be loving. Sin is eternally destructive. Its like someone that has the plague and refuses treatment and then seeks to infect others. He must be stopped at whatever cost for the sake of others. And so God will judge and bannish atheist the religious and all unrepentant sinners that resist God and choose death and destruction by default.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You are so lost in your brainwashing that it is futile to speak to you any longer. If you wish to be so pathetically lost in your ignorance remain so, but know that I will be moving on from you to people who can still be convinced of sanity and reason.
1Lanavis1 1 month ago
@1Lanavis1 "" lost in your brainwashing ""
1. It is futile bc u are irrational and illogical
2. You assume that im brainwashed with no evidence
3. You commit ad hom fallacies without any other argument
4. You claim an exclusive on sanity and reason without evidence.
5. Now form an argument and defend it or admit that u cant.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Hahahahaha, "You assume that im brainwashed with no evidence", now you need evidence?, no, you must have faith he knew you are retarded. I having followed your trolling on CultOfDust videos, I really have fun, thank you, but, I don't know why @1Lanavis1 and other are waisting their time with you, is like is like arguing with a Cheeto.
arvmetal 1 month ago
@j919or
listen to what you're saying; a god makes people as less than adequate to its requirements, than punishes them for being flawed. That would be like me building a house out of styrofoam and duck-tape than getting mad at it for falling apart.
Not to mention that this god has never made itself present to people collectively, so we don't have an objective guideline for what it wants to begin with. Even "sins" listed in the Bible have contradicted themselves with other verses
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 1 month ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn This is a good question and deserves attention.
1. God works all thing for the good of believers.
2. God turns evil into good.
3. God is the source of all good and this finely tuned univese can only work properly under His control
4. Therefore evil is resistence of His control and any type of indepoendence from God
5. Love can only flourish with willing emnbrace of His control
6. Without love everything soon becomes hell.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or
What did you accomplish here besides create a list of logical fallacies that makes your argument seem even less credible to me than it already did?
If you're going to base your argument on your god being all powerful than you simply cannot claim a simultaneous labeling of benevolence when that same god is acting in the position of a tyrant and bully
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 1 month ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn"god is acting in the position of a tyrant and bully"
You are viewing His right to rule as tyranny, for you are a rebel. To be this rebel one must enter delusion. In this delusion u cant even see that you are the deluded one. You are temporal and connected to the earth thru inherent needs. You are weak and confused but instead of spending ur time being changed and learning from God , you spend it competing with God thru justification and blameshifting(just like Adam BTW)
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Hmm so far I have seen in your posts, pridefulness (sin), boastfulness (sin), vengeance (sin), envy (sin), judgemental of others (sin). So far all I can see is that you have been given us Christians a bad name by acting worst than the atheists you are spewing your venom at. Shut up and get a life guy.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@BigDwarren Be specific , im open to learn.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Its really not worth it for you bud. In my eyes you have been decieved by a false god church. In my church all humans are created by God and saying anything ill towards his creation is insulting him. God is love and WE can not judge his work, EVEN the nonbelievers. He will judge them NOT YOU. Get on with your life and help us in the future and not from the position on bronze age desert dwelling people that has no place in 2012. Maybe we are being tested right now to see if .. -->
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919or (cont.) we can get off our knees and HELP OURSELVES. Maybe he wants us to stop blaming everyone else for our problems and come together as one and figure out what this is all for. Division WILL NOT WORK. Maybe he just wants us to stop looking up and LOOK FORWARD.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919or Your churches interpretation of the book as being perfect and not the message. The only way to do that is to grow out of the perspective of the men who wrote the bible. It was inspired by God yes, but in there first person perspective they only knew what they saw around them and it was all they knew to releal to the world. They had to condone slavery because THATS ALL THEY KNEW. We have to interprit in our times (ie. nwo we do not condone it). If we can change its only... -->
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919or (cont) logical that God can too. I believe that God is better than us but, by your logic if we change one word of his that makes us better than him and you can believe that if you wish but I choose not too. Sorry for the type O's this computer is going and need a new one.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919 (cont) Maybe the bible writers spoke bad of atheists because thats all they knew. Maybe they are actually a gift from god for a perspective on the world YOU DONT HAVE. Maybe we should see them as equals for giving us SCIENCE. Maybe we can all grow up and out of all this petty fighting we all do.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919or What are you really fighting over? I meen if you see someone saying they want to kill babies yes fight that, but someone saying they do not believe and you think that is the worst thing ever.? God made them, they have to answer to him. Sorry to be long winded. Just my thoughts. What are yours?
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919or Ok so either I was not specific enough, OR, (and I am not being mean here) can we add liar to your sin count, "I'm open to learn". If any human reads the bible and takes anything other than there is a God and he is love then you sir have missed the entire point. Everything else is just the bible writers efforts to make sence of their inspiration. The BOOK is not holy the MESSAGE is. So by backing your faith in God on a book, you are being decieved. Is my message logical?
BigDwarren 1 month ago
@j919or You are belittling God by saying there is ANYTHING we as mear humans can do to prevent GOD from talking to us and refusing his message. That does not compute. God is ALL powerfull and can do what ever he wants. What is fact is that he has not revealed his message to us collectively, which he can do if he is God, so that there is no arguing about it. Logic tells me that he wants us to figure this shit out for ourselves and stop looking to him for answers.
BigDwarren 1 month ago
What is illogical is for people to conclude that order came out of disorder without supreme intelligence and power. And tht is just the beginning of the irrationalitiy of non believers.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or What is illogical is for people to assume that it is impossible for order to come out of disorder. Why would you think that order can't come from disorder. It occurs in nature. Disorderly animals (humans) gradually become more civilized (orderly) on their own with petty things like greed, gods, and idiocy dragging them back into chaos/disorder.
1Lanavis1 1 month ago
@1Lanavis1 "Disorderly animals ""
This is insane.Humans have the same capabilities as always. The order of the human brain doesnt increase
1.Babies are born with the same potential today as 5k years ago.Prove otherwise
2.Any increase in order comes from the available input into the mind.Someone born in the jungle will have the same primitive way of thinking as ancient peoples
3."gods" are made by man to satisfy greediness but YHWH is a God that offers righteousness,not 70 virgins for ex
j919or 1 month ago
It is completely logical to believe in God and entrust our lives to the creator. Actually Dusty is the peak of illogical raving maniacs.
God says in Isaiah to "come let us reason together, though ur sins be as scarlet they shall be white as snow" Here we see that God wants to logically interact with us. But their is a problem that first must be dealt with, our sin. Sin warps the mind and logic and makes us hostile and UNREASONABLE and IRRATIONAL
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Post this garbage elsewhere!
TheKainMan 1 month ago
@j919or: "It is completely logical to believe in God"
Oh sure, it's completely logical to believe in an invisible, telepathic super-being for which there is no proof. And it's completely logical to believe that this super-being created the *entire* universe in a few days.
Yeah, what's not logical about that??
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mikefromwa 1 month ago
@mikefromwa Yes it is. The universe had a beginning. Order cannot come out of disorder(2nd law). The creator must be transcedent of matter and time in order to create and sustain it all and since all matter and time must have a begining. Hence this creator would not be detectable by means that only detect matter ie. our 5 senses.
Such creator would be not limited to time.
j919or 1 month ago
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@j919or: "The creator must be transcedent of matter and time in order to create and sustain it"
There was no creator, but I love the way you stated there was as if it was a fact. It was awfully cute. :)
Believe in an invisible, telepathic super-being all you want, but it doesn't make it true. :)
mikefromwa 1 month ago
@j919or And who created such a creator. If you believe that something can come from nothing, but still believe that some god always existed and din't have to be created. why can't you think the same of the universe (or the energy - not god- that eventually became the matter that fills up the universe)
1Lanavis1 1 month ago
@1Lanavis1: "And who created such a creator."
Bingo. Christians always throw out the "how can something can come from nothing?" argument, but they ignore that that's a problem which also applies to their god.
mikefromwa 1 month ago
@1Lanavis1 ""who created such a creator""
1. A creator would not create a creator for who would create the universe better than the first creator
2. The creator is not restricted by time and therefore has no beginning. The universe has been found ot have had a beginning.
3. Therefore either there are an inifnite number of creators which is ridiculous or there is ONe creator that is not restricted to time and space and mass and is eternal and infinite.
j919or 1 month ago
@mikefromwa The funny thing is that Christians are idiotic even by their won religion. They believe their god is all-powerful, yet that their god not only need 6 WHOLE DAYS to create everything, but also needed A DAY TO REST! That is not all-powerful. A truly omnipotent being would need less than a second and would not to rest regardless of what it did.
1Lanavis1 1 month ago
@1Lanavis1: Good point...why would an all-powerful god ever need to rest? lol It's just one more bit of silliness about their magical sky-daddy that makes no sense at all.
6 days to create the universe...what a slacker, lol. Maybe if he hadn't rested he'd have had time to finish the universe. :)
mikefromwa 1 month ago
@1Lanavis1 ""but also needed A DAY TO REST"'
Nah it just means that God ceased working on the second day. Perhaps u might wonder why it didnt say that he ceased creating period but for our sake and to set up the sabbath as a remembrance it seems to ber worded this way.
Notice that God didnt exert much effort for he merely spoke and it all was. Obviously no one needs to get strong again just from speaking. So the context clearly is not teaching that God is tired like we get tired.
j919or 1 month ago
Heaven is the presence of God. Yall hate heaven cuz ur all at war with God. The forgiveness of sins starts the process of reversing this ridiculous attitude that is ruining ur life. It happened to me. I hated God but then I finally reealized that all my misery was my fault. And so I asked God to take my life and do whatever He wanted with it. That was the greatest day of my life and Ill never forget it.
Since then it just gets better and better with the presence of God and His joy and peace.
j919or 2 months ago
well, angel rape thursday would be great if you get raped by a strangly hot female angel with D-cups. its a shame that there is no heaven, or angel rape thursday :(
palauskas 2 months ago 10
@palauskas ""angel rape thursday ""
Dusty's only frame of reference is sexual perversion and lust. Heaven for him and for Pala would be their choice of lust(just like the Muslems who want 70virgins) and it would be horrible if the sexual perversion that wasnt their prefernce.
Heads up dudes! It all gets boring and then misery ensues. Only love for a perfect being and the Spiritual eternal realm will satisfy eternally.
j919or 1 month ago
well first of all you have eternity to do everything your little brain can imagine.
ProMajtas 2 months ago
Yea, you have so much joy that you want to hop on youtube and pretend you want to debate but then never provide any solid points. Somehow you define two bodies (flesh/spirit) and say its boring to worship in one, but joyful in another. Joy can be found in an anyone with balanced brain chemistry. For you, it's a delusion that leaves you outside the school of truth. I'm sure I find more joy in having intellect and being able to have guilt free fun than you have in worship and obedience. Wake up!!
TrazMatik 2 months ago
Worshipping Jesus is stale ...in the flesh/sin nature. But in the Sp;irit it is the most joy ive ever felt in my life. the more I worship the closer im drawn to my creator and the more i share his power and love and boldness and JOY!
Worshipping forever = increasing joy forever.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or
wow, I think your hallucinations are getting more and more serious.
siddharthjoshi91 2 months ago
@siddharthjoshi91 Debate me then or admit that you cant. Otherwise your quips are mere drivel.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or
Sure. I'd love to debate you. What would you like to debate about?
siddharthjoshi91 2 months ago
@siddharthjoshi91 Well then tell me about my "hallucinations" and we can debate what you think are my hallucinations and you will have to prove that im hallucinating. Unless of course you were just jabbering without evidence.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or quit making your lying comments attempt to be the top comment.... THUMBSED DOOOWN
ImaDjentleman 1 month ago
Its a shame, the idea of God, the symbol of God, could be such a grand thing. But religions like christianity throughout history disgraced the concept. To pile on top of that, there's idiots blindly defending it and preserving the hate, fear, and supremacy propaganda with a tiny mask of love and goodness over it. I almost want to take God back, redeem and redefine its name, but why give people the chance to make more loopholes? Isn't it vain to think something divine. humble to think human
TrazMatik 2 months ago
I predict a sly insult, more BS about me being evil, confessing. Something satan. subliminal condemnation. No claims for tangible evidence. If so, a small minded association to something that takes more knowledge in science than he has. Select words to make him feel he can relate it in a secular way. Bible verse? Lame metaphor. No defense for the real atrocities and damage caused by religion. something satan. -Does life get hard in that tiny box dude?
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik ""Does life get hard in that tiny box dude?""
For the first time in my life im free...on the tracks(under the control of God). mt11.28
j919or 2 months ago
"... most free, on or off the tracks?"
do you want to be on the old train on old tracks with pollution to your left and a pretty city to your right or a better built train with newer tracks with a view of the world all around you? Bland metaphors don't help make your case realistic. If God exists, why did you have to read a book to know him? I'd have no problem with your belief if it wasn't a way to escape morality and judge others. Pretend to know a god that didn't create hell and loopholes.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
Atheists are more christ like than christians. we speak blasphemy, truth!!! and the norm (christianity) wish torture and and death upon us (crucifixion). Suck on that irony christians.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik false premise leads to false conclusion. Your premise that u speak truth is not established nor is it established exactly what you are even claiming is truth. Chew on that demonboy!
j919or 2 months ago
I heard something about an eternal feeling of contentness/bliss/happiness in addition to whatever it is you might do there, in most of the descriptions I've been told of at least. Sure, you're in church for eternity, but apparently you love every minute of it, because you have no choice but to.
Gameguy602 2 months ago
you need to watch the show I Survived: Beyond and Back. maybe it will bring some light into your life of hate and darkness. I can only pray that you will get a revelation of peace. May God be with you
TheShanaList 3 months ago
@wattsnick30 ""Deucalion/Zeus story that is clearly comparible to the Noah/Yahweh ""
Here is more of the insanity that evil produces in peoples mind. This dude has no proof of this outlandish claim yet he believes it and even dares to post it.
Hey Watts, if you really believe this then debate me on it. Or admit that you are evil and desperate to stay evil and not suffer for it.
j919or 3 months ago
you are not atheist. you are a satanist. you are just against anything that brings joy and happiness. i figured this out from the 1st video i saw of you. and people on here are following you like mindless zombies. you need to get real. why would you want to go to hell?
TheShanaList 3 months ago
@TheShanaList It feels good to go with the flow. People are evil and to just do what comes natural is evil and feels better than reversing that evil
So people live their lives doing evil and justifying it, so they dont have to pay the price for it. Its that simple
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or i know. he claims he is a profound atheist. but he seems more like a satanist to me from the first video i have watched. he even said in this video he would prefer to go to Hell. why does he only bash Christianity anyway. what about Judaism and Islam. we all believe in the same God. i know Christians believe in Jesus but we still believe in God. and why not bash Buddhist or Taoism, Islam or Judaism for spreading love and peace just like Christianity .
TheShanaList 3 months ago
@TheShanaList "what about Judaism and Islam. we all believe in the same God."
Wrong. For Christians Jesus = god. Jews and Muslims see him as just a man. Thus, not the same god.
Near death experiences have been debunked. I encourage you to look up "the god helmet". Astronauts have also had NDE's when training for g forces. Hell is a childish scare tactic used by religion to gain power.
AtheistPowerlifter 3 months ago
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@AtheistPowerlifter Jews and Muslims see him as just a man""
They resist the incarnation, bc they dont want God invading their lives. They prefer a self based religion where they appease God but stay distant from Him.
j919or 3 months ago
@AtheistPowerlifter "For Christians Jesus = god"
Wrong muscle head without the capacity for logic. They teach the same God but Muslems distort much of the truth ABOUT that God. That God came to earth in flesh...muslems deny it. That God offers the free gift of eternal life, Muslems deny it. That God wants to live in us and change us, Muslems deny it. Muslem will die in their sins just like u.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or It's quite easy to demonstrate your not a free thinker. It shows. you follow a religion that was here before you got here. How could you possibly be a free think if you have to think like god tells you? And the only example I need for a cliche is the VERY IDEA OF GOD. I think your goal to embarrass and humiliate will only turn on you. those are impure motives to begin with.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik ""free think if you have to think like god tells you? ""
Freedom is operating as u were made to operate. Hey Batman, when is a train most free, on or off the tracks?
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Replying to someones post with an ad hominem attack is usually 100% proof you are arguing from a position of insecurity with a weak or no argument.
I could easily say: Christians deny the beauty of the koran (divine poetry), christians deny the truth of mohammed and the angel, christians deny the truth of an illiterate man writing gods word, christians deny the science 'facts' in the koran.
You are arguing from emotion, you assertions have no evidence and can be deismissed.
AtheistPowerlifter 2 months ago
@AtheistPowerlifter ""100% proof you are arguing from a position of insecurity with a weak ""
Rather I mock u bc u such an imbecile and wont stay on point. You must have a brain the size of a walnut. Now address the argument that I presented to you or admit that you cant. I will continue to mock u as u deserve until u address the points that I make and stay on topic. Are you over/under 13 years old?
j919or 2 months ago
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@j919or I already responded. Read my 1st post. Again.
You said: "They teach the same God but Muslems distort much of the truth ABOUT that God."
Prove it. From what authority can you claim to know the 'truth' about any god?
Respond to what I asserted - that muslims can claim the opposite - that YOU distort the truth, that YOU deny the 'truths' in the quran. Why is your version "true"?
You can't but let me guess...empty tomb!!...miracles!!..eyewitnesses!!
Same old bullshit.
AtheistPowerlifter 2 months ago
@j919or You deny the truth about that you know in your heart? Why? The IPU is real and she loves you. Stop with this Jesus madness and accept what you know is true. Please repent before it is too late and turn to the IPU before she gets pissed and fucks you up.
adam3251 2 months ago
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@adam3251 ""turn to the IPU ""
Tell me more about the teaching that is under the label of this IPU. And then tell me why I should believe the IPU. The whole flying spaghetti monster argument is so stupid. THere is one God and several teachings about God. Now lets review the teaching of the FSM and the IPU. Youre going down u blathering encasement of evil and confusion.
j919or 2 months ago
@TheShanaList He bashes christianity like many others that were placed in a christian environment but were not changed. The evil in them never was exposed and realized. Instead of confessing their evil they confessed God to be evil. Either confess ur own sins or you will constantly be confessing the sins of others thru mockery. gossip and blasphemy until you get a full doze of evil in hell forever
Dusty is not a free thinker, obviously! He is a slave to the evil in him
Heaven is love with God
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Oh and you are a free thinker? Spewing the cliches of sins and confessions and the nauseating ass kissing of God. acting like you know some kind of pseudoscience/psychology of evil. Yea, very original man.
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik give some examples of the cliches to which u refer, and why bowing to a creator is nauseating (other than the fact that you are the spawn of satan).
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Ironic that you ask for examples and premises and conclusions and truth, these things are for critical thinkers, not religious fear mongers. I know that all the substance of your argument will come from your own spin of the bible and disgracing science by trying to link them. I said "WE speak truth" fuck off, i'm not gonna waste time nit picking with you. there is no debate on this issue, just a bunch of christian apologetics.Humanity is the only thing I hold at the status of god
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik ""i'm not gonna waste time nit picking with you. ""
Take a course in logic and critical thinking and then get back to me. Meantime satan will continue to deceive u an d even convince u that hell is your best option...oh sorry u already believe that , dont u?
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Like you know anything about logic or critical thinking! "God" and "Satan" words to project your own thinking. God wants me to defy christianity because Satan tainted it!? Mad to argue with you because there's no substance in your text. I have hostility for this god and fux like you that pretend to know him because you act like its so superior and don't answer to the heinous nature of the bible. I humbly admit I don't know and concern myself with humanity rather than divinty
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik thats right traz, my goal is to embarrass and humiliate you, nothing personal, I doit just for the sake of the youth that are so easiliy deceived by ur nonsense and social pressure.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Your not gonna save any youth arguing on youtube. And its the nonsense and social pressure of religions like christianity that we have to protect them from. Stop this idea that we are inherently evil and in debt to a man who had good moral statements. Stop violating the archetype of good with this cruel story of crucifixion. Confessions don't do shit, what about truly making amends? No debate, Just stop it!! for the sake of humanity!!
TrazMatik 2 months ago
@TrazMatik ""Confessions don't do shit""
For you they dont bc u dont confess to the right person or confess the right thing. Try confessing to God and that u are wicked gross evil and satan has filled ur mind with hostility towards God and God himself is the only one that can save u from urself.
j919or 2 months ago
BTW heaven is intense connectedness to God. I ve connectedness to God now and it awesome, heaven will be unhindered connectedness. I could care less what ill be doing as long as Im doing it with God.
I used to be full of evil like yall and hated God. I admitted that my evil and hate was all my fault and gave the controls of my life to God and God die the rest.
j919or 3 months ago
@wattsnick30 ""questioning your own faith ""
Im questioning one thing. HOw could anyone be so insanely foolish ot reject the gift of eternal life that produces immediate joy and peace and love? And in its place choose satan and his lies and deception and give him the right to manipulate ur lives now and later torment you forever.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or i know this guy is just out of his mind. why would you want to be evil
TheShanaList 3 months ago
People fear their mortality, so they cling to their god beliefs. It's gives them false comfort.
nhbiker1961 3 months ago
you don't have to worry because from what you just said i think you prefer going to hell .... i hope it suits you
moza4488 3 months ago
You know what? I'm half christian (thank GOD!) and what you just said makes me EXTREMLY WORRIED!
MacCaster123 3 months ago
Funny how "gold" just "appears" in heaven, yet its wrong to be rich, why would something that is based on greed be in heaven?
crh2010 3 months ago
LED ZEPPELIN FUCK YEAH!
PeacefulHobbit 3 months ago
Lol! :D this is awesome
AirsoftBackUp 4 months ago
Bestiality Friday ftw!
EliroX904 4 months ago
Or worse.
Try telling a christian what the concept of forever means.
Trillion years times a billions years of living, and you still havent even begun to scratch the concept of infinity in heaven.
Living forever sounds like a hell to me.
Domzdream 4 months ago
@Domzdream ""Living forever sounds like a hell to me""
Bc u have hostility towards God. In heaven it will not matter what we do for the bliss will come from who we are and who we are in love with. Did u ever love someone deeply? SPending time with them is all that mattered. What u did was secondary. While did u ever hate someone? It doesnt matter how cool the concert was, you hated it bc u were with some dudes that irritated u.
j919or 4 months ago
I actually had a conversation with a christian who had specific dimensions of heaven and hell. It's shape and size, etc.
Facepalming material right there!!!!
Domzdream 4 months ago
I fucking love your fucking videos!
SuperLegacypk 4 months ago
You will get to learn how to play the piano, ... and the Violin, ... and maybe learn another language?
... Did I mention the piano?
And then when you are bored with all that, you can ... er, um, ... learn something else right?
But be assured, it will be sooooo wonderful!?! / God after all, has a plan!?
... At least i bloody well hope so, ... eternity, after all, is a long long time.
PiskieBenWa 4 months ago
I keel before NO ONE.
NANOFORGE 4 months ago
"It is better to reignin Hell than to serve in Heaven." - J Milton
drfoxcourt 4 months ago
Coctopus send me :)
heltongut123 4 months ago
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16BitHeros 4 months ago
HHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAA!!
EmoXXoXX 4 months ago
God wants us to praise Him for our sakes.
j919or 4 months ago
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Love never gets tired. You get tired of praise because its vain and empty.
Praising God leads us to greater union with Him and greater love. The greater the love and union ot the source of all joy and goodness, the greater the goodness.
Christians can maintain and attitude of praise all day long.
What distorts that now? Sin. In our arrogance we would rather leave our place and take Gods place thus short circuiting the entire operation and leading to addiction and suicide.
j919or 4 months ago
Love never gets tired. You get tired of praise because its vain and empty.
Praising God leads us to greater union with Him and greater love. The greater the love and union ot the source of all joy and goodness, the greater the goodness.
Christians can maintain and attitude of praise all day long.
What distorts that now? Sin. In our arrogance we would rather leave our place and take Gods place thus short circuiting the entire operation and leading to addiction and suicide.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or The evidence for a lack of God significantly outweighs the evidence for a God.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT Produce such evidence then or admit that you cant
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or For starters, there are many, MANY flaws in the Bible, which is supposedly the work of God himself. If this book was God's word, these would not be present.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is God able to prevent evil, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is God both willing and able to prevent evil? Then whence cometh evil?
Is God neither willing nor able to prevent evil? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT Of course god is'nt omnipotent, sure he might be powerful but he does'nt have infinite power, not even close. If he did he would'nt of needed to flood the Earth to kill everyone. An omnipotent would destroy the enitre universe just by thinking it.
NANOFORGE 4 months ago
@NANOFORGE ""destroy the enitre universe ""
So Nano thinks that he is wiser than the infinite God and that if that God doesnt follow Nanos ideas then that God must be to weak to do so. Poor Nano.
Perhaps God wants to illustrate to all the dangers of evil and illustrate it clearly as a warning to all generations to come including Noah and his family. Also how many times should God start over esp. since more sinful ppl would live in the new universe and wreck that too.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or No I don't think I'm smarter than the inifnite God because I don't beleive in God. How can I think I am smarter than something that I don't beleive in. Thats just retarded, quite like your comment. Your entire comment is void. "Perhaps God wants to illustrate to all the dangers of evil and illustrate it clearly as a warning to all generations to come including Noah and his family" Prehaps God is'nt real, thats plausable.
NANOFORGE 4 months ago
@j919or "Perhaps God wants to illustrate to all the dangers of evil" In other words, he's terrorizing us?
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT Call it terrorizing or call it a heads up.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or So, you condone the mass genocide of all people on Earth via a devastating worldwide flood? This is not a peaceful religion.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT ""devastating worldwide flood? ""
Yes. They were even more hard headed and evil than you.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
Insulting me just decreases your chance of converting me. You know that, right?
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT ""decreases your chance of converting me. ""
Nah. You are worse than i could ever describe. You are more loathsome than I could ever describe. But i was too and God demonstrates His love against the back drop of our disgusting rebellion and evil.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or I understand that you're angry.I believe that Christianity labeling anger as a deadly sin is causing you and other Christians to have a great deal of repressed rage. That rage has to go somewhere, so you're releasing it on me. If you weren't releasing it on me, that rage would just fester as a mental illness.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT Nah.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
Alright.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT ""Is God both willing and able to prevent evil? ""
There is a forth option that people never think of since they are competing with God for right to rule. God allows evil in order to show how his wisdom and power can use it for the eternal good. Rm 8.28-9 'God works all thing for the good of making believers like Jesus.'
Evil then becomes an enoculation and a back drop for Gods love, patience and goodness towards believers. Unbelievers get to be the black backdrop
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or But why does he need the backdrop?
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT a blackdrop illustrates light more clearly. when are stars most visible? on the blackest of nights
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
What evidence is there for God? (Not faith, you can have faith in ANYTHING but that doesn't make it true.)
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT "Not faith""
Actually faith is the evidence. Faith is like a spiritual 6th sense that perceives God. Without it you cant really know for sure. But the reason most have no faith is bc they wont admit they are evil and ask God (if he exists) to deal with and forgive the evil. Then faith comes alive. Hebrews 11faith is the evidence.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or What if I had faith that the Flying Spaghetti Monster was real, and said that my faith proved his existence. Would you believe me? Of course not. Bear in mind that the Bible was written in the Bronze Age, before we had all the understanding we have today. Back then, we didn't know SQUAT about biology, atoms, electricity, pathogens, the tectonic plates, or the cosmos. So, it made sense for primitive men to "just add God" so to speak.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT The flying sp monster is a material object. So u only need eyes and touch to experience it. God is Spirit and so spiritual life is the only way to expereince God. So you need faith which is spiritual awareness from God to experience God.
The more we know of plates and atoms the more awesome God becomes. But if ur an unbeliever youll use any excuse for not believing and ur interpretations of science will be in accordance with ur evil desires
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Let me use another example, Allah. If I had faith in Allah, does that prove Allah's existence? Of course it doesn't. And before you say that Allah is an idol, I remind you that Muslims, Hindus, and all other religions say the same thing about your God.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT "" If I had faith in Allah, does that prove Allah's existence?""
It would prove it for you but you dont understand faith. Allah=God. The teaching of Mohammed is another matter. The teaching of Mohammed is that God is distant and expects us to try to live a good life and we might make it if we try hard enough. This is common to all religions and characteristic of an unexpereincible God...contrary to what Jesus taught JN 14.23
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Google is your friend. Look up the meaning of faith. "Having a strong belief in something without any evidence" Therefore faith cannot possibly equal proof. Also, since I don't wanna flame, do you wanna take this out in personal messages?
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@j919or
(Continued from last comment)
Suppose a Kindergartner were to create a hypothesis about why the sky was blue. His theory was that the sky was full of water and we were under a dome of glass. Of course, other little kids, who have minimal understanding of the world, accept his theory without questioning it. However, if a 13 year old child were to hear it, they won't buy it because they've read about the topic and know otherwise. We're the 13 year old kid, and the bronze age men are the
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@j919or
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Kindergartner.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@j919or In other words, god expects us to love and worship him for the rest of our lives, and then for all of eternity, without any scientific proof that he even exists? Are you familiar with with the old machine saying: "Does not compute"?
Fun little fact: George W. Bush invaded Iraq and killed many, many people because "God told him to".
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT ""god expects us to love and worship him""
God expects u to hate him for eternity and blame him for ur hellish existence.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
If God wanted me to be a Christian, I'd be a Christian.
MeatfortoeatALT 4 months ago
@MeatfortoeatALT waht is all that evidence?? All that it takes the prove intellegent design is simple: We are Living things. Where did matter come from?
cooperhj1 3 months ago
@cooperhj1 That it unknown. However, scientists don't jump to conclusions. You assume that, simply because we don't know where matter came from, intelligent design is true. Instead of jumping to conclusions, what we need to do is collect and analyze data in order to solve that problem once and for all, instead of immediately jumping to a conclusion.
MeatfortoeatALT 3 months ago
Find out every detail? U mean trust in self and ego as if you knew morre than the creator
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Do you hate Cthulhu ??
roflmatol 4 months ago
Hell is the default destiny of all the corrupt.
In your corruption u hate what is best and treasure the twisted and perverse.
You hate ur creator ..how twisted is that?
But God can change u into someone that loves Him and His will and His glory...for we all start being antagonistic to God. Rm 8.6
j919or 4 months ago
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roflmatol 4 months ago
@j919or Atheists don't hate God. We can't hate God. How can we hate something we don't believe in?
roflmatol 4 months ago
@roflmatol If you cant beat em just believe they dont exist. Atheist theme song
j919or 4 months ago