Or, they are naturally evolved methods we use to interact and survive with and in our environment. There's a darwinian explanation for every emotion. For example love is controlled by the same set of functions that make up our reproductive system.
Our universe appears exactly as it would if a god didn't exist.
Darwin never discussed psychology he was a biologist, so there is no darwinian explanation for every emotion. However you could say there is a evolutionary, biological or chemical explanation for every emotion. Darwinian, Evolutionist, and other such words are machinations of the feeble minds of creationists.
So is this a policy you have adopted for living your life? When you watch sporting events, do you block out the sound, lest you be carried by the emotion? When you hear a bird singing a beautiful song, are you quick to blot out the sound, so you won't be vulnerable to what may be moving in your heart? There is much truth in what you said, however, emotions are one of God's gifts to us.
@88momart His point seems to be that stopping the medium itself stopped the Spirit. If the Spirit was really operating on wavelengths separate from the television, then the muting shouldn't have done a thing.
No one typically believes that a sporting event, or a bird can be experienced as a spirit in the mind, so your analogy is severely handicapped.
Good vid. It's neurology, anatomy, consciousness, and whatever else all rolled together. I visited that state of mind many times as a christian. Throw in the fear of death for some, lives of pain, misery, and desperation for others, and luck, happiness, or whatever for the others. It was a horrific accident and fear of death, as a child, that drove me. I can still remember confirmation talks with my pastor. I knew the bible pretty well even then, but it only said what I wanted it to.
I'll admit that I've had a similar experience. I was very young. I asked, "Why do other people from other religions burn in hell for believing someone else? Since, like, they were raised and always around THEIR god, how could they know or even possibly THINK that mine was right? Isn't God all-knowing? Won't he UNDERSTAND that they weren't trying to deny him but never had a chance to KNOW him?" I was told there was no such forgiveness. Then, I started to open my ears to everything.
This video expressed what I've thought all along. It's easy to get caught up in the music and pretty words but really, all it is, is noise. Noise that blocks out reality. There is much to be said for silence.
At 7, I started crying uncontrollably at the Pentecostal church my mother (RIP) took me to. I almost never had crying fits. We had to go to the lobby. Later that night, my mother told my father that I must have been moved by the spirit. I replied that I had not been joyed, but was sad and frustrated...I couldn't put it into words at the time or understand in full concept, but that was the day it hit me that what the bible said, the preacher preached, what the people were doing was all fake.
No disrespect but your videos show you were you at in life... IN THE DARK! The fool has said in his heart there is NO GOD...Our hearts lie to us bro.. You are right about the churches... religion systems are a joke but make no mistake Jesus is real bro ... most of his so called people are servicing themselves and preaching with their own words about Jesus and do not no the meaning of what it is to follow Jesus. You are not atheist you just hate God and reither follow yourself
You havn't brought anything new to the table that may advance your argument, you've simply spewed out the same mindless garbage that we've all heard a thousand times before.
Do you think we just do this to spite your god, to corrupt your mind?
No, we do it because we want you open your eyes and maybe, just maybe you'll see that god was there all along, but you were looking in the wrong place.
But you don't want that to be true, so you won't even try and see if it is.
@MrAudiovideodisco and what can you brought LIFE.we all are going to die.can YOU stop that? what argument will you choice.My argument is NOT my own.but your argument is.The fact is in your HEART you are afraid of the TRUTH and if you were not then you would be on a request to find the IT but like many others your fear blinds you.Open my eyes.lol NO my brother my eyes are not the one that is closed.Give me YOUR argument and I'll give you HIS.The FACT is YOU or any other HUMAN BEING CANT STOP DIEN
Finally, what type of music is felt to be divine? And why do you think this music has the effect that it does? For example, heavy-metal arouses a particular subset of emotions ie rage, hostility, etc but why? What about the music triggers such a response? I would say that the power of "divine" music is in its harmony (take Bach) and that if there is a God, it would make sense that harmony would be his fingerprint.
Also, interesting to look at this from a secular worldview. Take psychology: Freud would say that it was Thanatos which made you turn down the volume, Jung would say it was your Shadow, Adler would say it was your Will. Of course, Christians would say it was the Devil. Anyway, if Jesus really were God and really did exist, would the world really be so much different? Is Christianity, though absurd, not internally consistent?
Brilliant! Brilliant use of music and pacing to manipulate emotions and make a point. However, you're oversimplifying things just a little, aren't you? But at least you appreciate the beauty of the story. It IS beautiful, no? The "perfect creature" who knowingly walked into the trap and the 7 year old boy who, for the first time in his life, shed tears for another and (even if for just a moment) believed and even felt the divine?
I came to this realization my self a couple years ago. I had always wondered, why I could never be "filled" with the holy spirit. I would sit there head buried in my hands questioning god "why?" My pastors would just say I needed to "press in" more, but it never worked. I realized this feeling that people were having was nothing more than the same sense of elation one would receive at a great concert. It had nothing to do with god. I've felt more listening to classical music and film score.
Christians accuse Atheists for not being able to feel the Holy Spirit. I was never Christian but I felt it too. The sensation that something big, grand, wise and allpowerful is looking down on you all the time, or rather, being with you all the time. I understand how it feels and I was almost convinced. Of course then reality came back to me. MY point is that the "Holy Spirit" is but a vague and abstract impression that you could always claim to be "mcuh holier than what you felt". Not convinced
Bah, Jesus Camp is just a fancy way of saying 'brainwashing center.' Religious parents just send their doubting kids there to get reprogrammed by pretty music and 'Harry Potter is the enemy of God!'
Something I hadn't thought about for a long time... I used to confuse a self-induced "goosebump" state for being in the presence of the Holy Spirit. At the time, tho, I didn't realize it was self induced. I believed the Holy Spirit was present, so I got the goosebumps, which, in turn, "confirmed" it.
@dabigq I remember turning to my mother one day at church and asking her why I felt so warm inside. It nearly brought her to tears. However after accumulating another thirteen years of life experiences I have felt that same feeling while playing trumpet in my high school band, playing D&D in college, working at my job, and when I saw "Science saved my soul". It is the feeling of belonging, realizing we are part of something larger than ourselves, that people tend to confuse for the holy spirit.
Wait what about...weeps...all those other people...weeps...that died after claiming they were god...weeps. Doesn't seem to do anything but get my cheeks all wet. And maybe make you wonder, what the point of worshiping or caring about religious people of the past is? Tears pour.
@luv2hatejerry.1. No that's not what "religion" does, that's what PEOPLE do. It's a universal human trait and no one is exempt from it. Christians are taught to LOVE their enemies. Killing for Christ is an oxymoron. Love your name BTW ; ) 2. Atheist's have people like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung, in their corner as far as atrocities go...another human trait. 3. I LOVE Science! Not the kind that suppresses the truth for an agenda tho. That's not Science.. that's a Religion.
@frmdeath2life Uh, no. They are not. Christians are taught to kill their enemies. Christians are taught they are higher than anyone else and everyone will roast for not being them. Christians are taught bigotry, hatred, scorn. I was a christian. Jesus himself specifically demands you hate. Hitler wasn't an atheist you moron. Stalin and pot had nothing to do with atheism. Learn your history. By the way, it's safe now, you can take off your tin foil hat.
@frmdeath2life I'm not scornful, hateful, or bigoted toward people. I used to be, and took some time to grow out of that. However I am toward religion and its pathetic rules. However being that way toward ideologies isn't bigoted now is it? You are either a) ignorant, or b) a liar with what you wrote. Don't really care which, either way you don't need to be talking here.
@Delinexwow < You used to be scornful, hateful and bigoted....but now your not...... well, only toward other peoples beliefs.....but, that's not the same thing because it's an ideology .... and because it has pathetic rules....
From the on line dictionary...
IDEOLOGY: The body of doctrine, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
ATHEISM: the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
@frmdeath2life Wrong. Most dictionaries lump up atheism, however if you wish to check out princeton and oxfords explanations on the word in depth, youll come to find out atheism does NOT mean that. That is strong atheism. Atheism ONLY requires that you do not hold a belief at all.
I 'can't see that' simply because you aren't educated enough to realize you don't know wtf you are talking about. You can check other sources if you'd like, they all say you're wrong once you look into them.
@Delinexwow BELIEF- Weak Atheist - lacks a belief in god or gods, and acknowledges that it is presumptuous to say for sure there is no god, although in the absence of any evidence, contends it is unlikely and not worthy of consideration.
Strong Atheist - believes that there is no God; some argue this position, which is uncommon among atheists, is as equally presumptuous as claiming there is a god (It is accepted that it's virtually impossible to prove a negative, that something does not exist)
@frmdeath2life Cute, and where did you find this? The first part of weak atheist is correct, a LACK of a belief in a god or gods. That's all it takes. The rest is hogwash.
I say you're uneducated, at least in this area, because you do not realize what atheism means. It's that simple. YOU are an atheist with most gods.
@frmdeath2life 2 and 3 would be atheist. However it is indeed cute you trying to put up only 3 answers and presenting a false dichotomy.
1. Theist
2. Atheist.
3 Atheist.
This is just how it is, I'm sorry if you don't understand this yet, but it is indeed how it is. Took me a long time to grasp it myself, but you are simply wrong. Do more research, learn more on it, the root word, how we use it, and what it means. You are just wrong there is nothing else I can really say.
@Delinexwow - Obnoxious hateful people is a universal trait and if you meet a professing Christian who is that way, correct them...gently if possible. It is UN-christian behavior and it may indicate they are "Christian" in name only... Jesus taught us to love our enemies.. not an easy thing to do, is it?
Thank you for sharing your lack of belief with me. I can respect that you don't believe the same way as I do but I won't apologize for mine either. Have a nice day.
@frmdeath2life No I meant Dichotomy, not to your 3 options, because I don't know falls in the no category. The false dichotomy is the question is there a god. There are more possibilities than yes and no. There are a god, fairies, aliens, multiple gods, no gods, and much much more. However yes the other is also a false Trichotomy, but not to which I was referring.
@Delinexwow To elaborate further on the trichotomy since it sounded a little confusing..God or no god is a false dichotomy, your 3rd answer is essentially just another no. So in other words you have 1 yes 2 no 2 no. It can kind of work if you narrow it down to is the christian god real, while still technically a dichotomy, you could argue its a tri...however without such, the entire question is just plain wrong, and would fall under dichotomy.
@frmdeath2life Why would I correct them? If I did I'd have to correct jesus when he says you MUST hate in order to follow him. If you're right, then jesus is a liar. Your choice.
@Delinexwow - Hate in the sense of putting things aside that one formerly clings to before coming to an understanding of Him. Not hate in the sense of killing someone, the kind your referring to. "Dying to self" doesn't mean "go commit suicide". You pull a word from the Bible out of context to falsely accuse. I "hate" when people do that. Love also has more than one meaning. But it is impossible for you to understand these things and that is why it is pointless to argue them.
@frmdeath2life Ohhh so you say that it's just metaphorical, but when he says love your enemy that is dead on. This is called special pleading. He specifically states love your enemy, and he specifically states hate your family. Also states you should sell everything. This is really pointless due to this isn't the first time jesus broke commandments and rules himself, thus making him a sinner. I was a christian for 16 years, what you are doing is a fallacy and is simply wrong. You fail.
@frmdeath2life No, I understand it perfectly. It's called picking and choosing and special pleading. This is why the most intelligent of the world reject it, and the more intelligent someone is the less likely they are to accept it. Glad I'm with the good crowd huh?
@frmdeath2life To demonstrate this, True false is not a dichotomy. True false I don't know is not a false trichotomy, it is still a false dichotomy. The true dichotomy is true not true. False and I don't know both fall under the not true category and essentially are the same when in a true dichotomy for an answer. In your question specifically, I don't know qualifies for a no every time, you didn't give 3 options, you gave 2 options with the same outcome, atheism.
@Delinexwow In your last post I think you meant trichotomy instead of dichotomy and I wouldn't agree that it was false but that's okay. "I don't care" isn't an answer so I didn't include it. Point: Whether you believe 1. that you know there is a god, 2. that you know there isn't a god. or 3. that you can't know if there is a god are in FACT "beliefs". Whether you care or not is irrelevant.
@frmdeath2life If you plan on saying the 3rd option is agnostic by the way, it isn't. Save your breath if its a set up question because that is also dead wrong.
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Ah yes, the intolerance of "tolerant" people. I'm sorry that your emotional experience about Jesus turned out to be a farce...And I will agree that what goes on in the NAME of the Holy Spirit is laughable. However, that doesn't mean because you have not experienced a saving faith that it doesn't exist. Saving faith is life changing. Not a feeling one gets when they get stirred up emotionally. O, learned one speak to me all the mysteries of the Universe. Professing to be wise.. you are a fool.
@frmdeath2life "O, learned one speak to me all the mysteries of the Universe."
No. You couldn't handle it.
"Professing to be wise.. you are a fool." I gave an opinion, recounted an experience, I did NOT profess to be wise. But I can see how a born-again Christian would mistake one thing for another.
@philhellenes "Bizzare, ridiculous claims of Christianity... people being played like cattle, programed like machines" Sounds more like positive knowledge than "just an opinion"..but I can see how an atheist could mistake one for the other. The "fool" is a quote from Romans 1. I don't judge you, sir but one day you will be and I don't take offence if you don't believe that. Atheists are wise in their own eyes and criticize everyone who isn't like them in hating the idea of God. Very sad
Oh dear, another Christian who is wise in his own eyes but speaks like a fool. Ironic isn't it, that you kind of confirmed his point. "People being played like cattle," he said. "You will be judged," you said, attempting to scare him straight.
@laflugantabastardo Criticizing others is proof that someone is wise in his own eyes. Because you don't believe in a coming Judgement doesn't mean it's NOT true. Telling a sleeping person his house is on fire isn't a scare tactic. It's a loving thing to do. If he chooses not to believe it because he doesn't smell smoke, or see fire, and calls the person an idiot for waking him then.. fine. I don't judge him for being stubborn because he refuses to listen. It still doesn't change the fact.
Yeah, except the house isn't on fire. There's no reason for you to pull this kind of shit unless you wanted to convert him using a scary story you think is true without anything to back it up for those who are utterly unimpressed by it. Don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash.
@laflugantabastardo God has given enough evidence of his Divine Nature, it is plain for all to see, all you have to do is open your eyes. When one side has to resort to being nasty, lewd and critical of the other there's not much point in continuing a dialog. And thank you for proving my point in regards to being intolerant of someone else's beliefs because you who are your own god are so very wise, indeed. au revoir
Oh right, you calling someone a fool and attempting to scare them into believing what you believe is totally fine and based on love, but once someone calls you on it, it's persecution. Typical.
Also, "All you have to do is open your eyes" is not an argument. Please be more specific and refrain from ad hominems when you're making your truly extraordinary claims.
@laflugantabastardo - 1. as I explained earlier, the "fool" statement was from Romans 1. I was a fool once myself so again, stating a fact doesn't mean personal judgment. 2. We love Him because he first loved us. Belief isn't motivated by fear. 3. Proof? Jesus said in Luke 16 ".. they will not be convinced EVEN IF someone rises from the dead.'" : ) I did countless hours of research to see if this stuff was true rather than just dismiss it as bunk. Want the truth? LOOK for it. The End
1. Sure, you quoted it, but you were also the one applying it to him. You still carry responsibility for that.
2. Oh, i see. The story of hell is not about fear, but about love. Mob bosses can truly take a page out of that one.
3. Another assertion. "Hey, you won't believe in Vishnu even if I proved it to you. You're just a lost cause, blinded by the lies." Also, I DID look for the truth. it actually turned me away from the Christianity I was deeply in for over 20 years.
@laflugantabastardo You loved your enemies for 20 years, now you don't and that's a good thing? You're comparing Jesus to a mob boss? That's different. I studied religions. A faith unexamined isn't worth having. You were a disciple of Christ or caught up in a religious system of ritual and works? Jesus condemned the religious zealots of His day and said they were the blind leading the blind and they both fall into a pit. But you knew that right? Your responses intrigue me!
@BlankPicketSign 1. You do realize that most Christians are x-atheist's don't you? 2. Salvation is a work of God and cannot be un-done... Eternal life is, well, Eternal. A profession of faith doesn't necessarily mean a possession of it. 3. Only the God you don't believe in knows the minute details of your life. That's none of my business.
First of all, I want to express my respect for your integrity and honestly on this experience. I really do sympathize with your disappointment. I too have been down those roads. And this emotional manipulation I noticed at a younger age as well. But I can say, searching my own heart, that my experience with The Holy Spirit was not emotional, in that way at all. In fact, it is void of distraction.
I make it a point to pray in silence and my experiences with what I call The Holy Spirit, it was not in a church or a group of "believers", or with any theatrics. The overwhelming feeling was not my own emotion, but a peace that had God's finger print on it. Like He wanted me to know it was from Him and not from me. It was distinct and has always been distinct.
I wish you the very best in your search for the truth. It seems that It certainly would not be in vain.
@frmdeath2life I'm one of those tolerant people and the only thing i show intolerance to is intolerance. your free to be a christian, more power to you, but the second you start telling other people how to live there lives based on your holy book then that is in itself intolerance of other ways of life and I will appose you on that only. so as long as Christians are telling gays they can't marry and have equal rights or that evolution is false I will be standing up against them.
@fireflygirl246 Wonderful testimony! Do you also speak out when Christians are hated for their faith? Atheists slam Christians all the time for being stupid and ignorant when we believe it to be the other way around. The most intelligent people on the planet were/are Christians. INCLUDING Scientists! Belief is a difficult thing not to defend from either side. So maybe the next time someone is cussing out a Christian just for being one, you will again testify to tolerance. : )
@frmdeath2life I try my best to, but ill be the first to admit that its harder to see the hate when its not directed at you, but I try my best to be a tuned to it.
I sure will try the next time i see a christian being harassed for just being a christian, the problem is I don't see that happen very often. I see lots of Christians being bitched out about there misinformation and out right lies about things like science and for that i think the should be bitched out over, lying is lying period.
@fireflygirl246 But therein lies the issue! Who's lying? I was indoctrinated with the evolutionary lie in school and after examining the PROVEN fradulant records they taught me AS FACT, it really ticked me off!! So I don't like it either. MOST are guilty when it comes to taking a stand based on principles, experiences and feelings rather based on what is actually true. EXAMINE EVERYTHING! U see Christian's lying, I see atheists hating. I see Christians believing, U see atheists correcting.
@frmdeath2life this is why we can't have this conversation, evolution is not a lie, its is a theory and a fact, change over time dose happen, period. To say its a lie is its self a lie, ether one your telling or one that you believe.
So what your telling me is what they were teaching you ticked you off so you basically ingorned them and believed what you wanted because you knew better right. let me guess this happened between the ages of 17 and 22 right?
@fireflygirl246 Facts are no longer theories. "To say it's a lie is itself a lie" Same with your belief. U'r wrong on the "evolution" of my fact finding mission. But you would only say I'm lying because you don't believe it. : ) I didn't find out evolution was a lie until I was in my 30's and far from ignore I researched even more! About everything. I was raised in the traditions of the Catholicism but didn't become a Christian until I was in my 40's. Truth seeker to the end. Stalemate
@frmdeath2life holy spirit lol you can get that at a metallica concert, i garantee that if your whole church was filled with this "spirit" and hypothetically someone walked in and dumped one clip for an automatic weapon in the ceiling every single being would snapp out of it in a heart beat and the LORD would be NOWHERE, or tell me im wrong and explain what your super hero would do.............The one thing, the one true fact in science, is that change is constant, and consistant ergo evolution
@JWshark2012 Apparently YOU never got the "Holy" spirit at a metallica concert, lol. So much for that "theory".
I totally agree..if someone came into a church with a loaded clip it certainly would separate the true from the false. In America everyone seems to profess their faith but you won't find many who would die for it. You have a grave misunderstanding what the Lord would "do". It is what He has already done. Agree again.. Evolution of the human heart is getting darker all the time.
@frmdeath2life I'm sorry you feel like when I point out your lies that it is hate, its not, its integrity and feeling the need to correct falsehoods.
I do understand that your faith is important to you and I really am not trying to take that away form you, but you have to make it fit with the modern world and be able to accept the facts of science, the thing that makes all of our lives better, so when you mess with that it effects me and I can't have that, so yes I correct your falsehoods.
I had this exact similar experience in age of 14, after confirmation during which i still wrote to those "tests" they had that "I believe there must be some higher power that controls the universe". Ironical is that sentence also has info that was needed to debunk Christianity. That "confirmation" camp we had was full of this sort of things. We read bible, had fun with each other, talked about god with each other started mornings & dinner early and with prayer.
@LapinPete Its quite horrible to think now that all that was all government program, you see, Finland has national religion.
Reasons i kept religion for so long had actually not so much to do with religion itself. It came from the fact that we were told all the time that my grandfathers generation survived the wars because of religion. I felt that i would be betraying them.
The fact is: the people who fought were not only christian, there were also jewish and atheist in the front...
@LapinPete Saying that religion saved them is crime against them. They themselves fought the war and prevailed. All the honor belongs to them, not some religion, they were the ones that endured, not some god in the sky.
After realising this i was ready to accept what i had known since elementary.
There is still song that really touches me each time though, called Suomalainen Rukous (finnish prayer).
They do, don't they? Some real pieces of art out there. I especially enjoy Adagio For Strings by Samuel Barber with a choir singing Agnus Dei. It's just... divine.
If only more Atheist were Christians. What I mean by this, is the person making this video seems to have a high degree of intelligence - not like "brainwashed" Christian. If more Christians could be filled with what he has, maybe so many Christians would not get such a bad reputation. Just my thoughts.
I believe that the story you are telling is not a beautiful and awesome as you think. To me, this seems like a story of a poor young kid who was DISTURBED by the myth of Jesus...
I never shared a belief in god. It seemed rediculous even as a child and Ive never been capable of believing in the rediculous. It took me some time to believe in a universe untill I looked at the facts, hoping for proof of both, at the age of 5. There was proof a universe existed right infront of me, but none of god. It confused me.
Im not proud of it, personal inexperience with faith means I may be at a disadvantage. Watching the PotC, even to this day I wouldn't be able to do what you did.
I felt the Holy Spirit when Gary Oldman slit Kevin Bacon's Achilles tendons in Murder in the First. I felt is so much that I did some research and discovered that every fact in the movie was wrong.
Wow, similar experience to me. My childhood consisted of having the Christian dogma rammed down my throat and I always doubted and resented it as absurd nonsense manipulating people. As I matured, I'm was only convinced more than ever of the insanity that is Christianity.
Sometimes I wonder if you make up these stories Phil.. It´s just the skeptic in me, it´s nothing personal and I´d say the odds are 90/10 in your favour.. But it doesnt matter really - the story could be true, and either way, it´s incredibly meaningful.
It was after having listened to a piece of classical music by Beethoven, which had brought me to a state of ectasy, that I later thought to myself, why hadn't I ever felt like this in church before? And when I do feel similar feelings like this in church, why is it always during the most dramatic parts of the songs that I happen to like?
I cried like a baby during the passion of the Christ. It occured to me later that what had left most enduring impact on me had nothing to do with Christ specifically, his sacrifice, or any of that. It was the raw human empathy that I felt for a woman losing her son, while she watched him being tortured to death. Even then, I wonder if I would have shed a tear at all without the soundtrack.
Beautiful speech. I myself was trapped in religion until the age of 12.
One thing that has always stuck me in an odd way. I have never felt such a "holy spirit", until I had determined one does not exist. I finally felt "it", out of sheer astonishment for my (our) existence.
You could think like that at the age of SEVEN? That's pretty impressive! Religion had a grip on me until I was thirteen years old. I remember feeling the 'holy spirit', lol. Pretty embarrassing thinking about it afterwards.
@L00kingF0rAnswers You really shouldn't be embarrassed in ANY way. You were a child. You didn't know what was going on. In fact, 13 is a pretty early escape. I'd say you were way ahead of the curve. I just got very lucky. I wasn't just allowed to think for myself from an early age, I was encouraged to do so and praised when I did some "good thinking". Mum and Dad even lied to see if they could trick me. I learned to doubt every word everyone around me ever said. It has served me well. :)
@philhellenes I also used to be in a highly religious family as well, and you know for the LONEGST time I wondered what was wrong with me. I was utterly fascinated with stuff like Cosmos when I was a child, yet I could not seem to feel this "holy spirit" that everyone else apparently did. I used to think I was the farce and something was wrong with me. I am grateful for some excellent teachers and good grandparents who just wouldnt quit and forced me to think for myself and reverse that concept
@L00kingF0rAnswers "philhellenes" is right. 13 is very young to have the ability to make that kind of distinction. I remember when I was 9, my best friend was 13, we went to every church in Fresno, Ca. We had no ability to think there was no god. We only thought that we had to find out who really knew him. After about a hundred churches and a few years it only got worse. We asked questions and the answers made less sense. Until we received anger from them. It's never changed.
i jus wanna know who wrote the bible then? did one man write the bible? did a group of dudes come together and say to themselves...lets write a fucking epic, right now! i wanna know...
I wish it were as simple as music, but you should see my sister have these spontaneous "orgasms" where she starts quivering and yelling about "God" and Jesus. I know it's learned behaviour from what you described in the video, but she can do it with or without music and with or without fellow crazies present.
Hi Friend, Have you ever read the bible? It is full of encounters that people had with God...not in a building with the lights dim and the people singing praises..Jesus performed miracles and healings in the streets, on the beach, at a wedding, out in the fields, in people's houses. Check it out for yourself. God hates manipulation It is definitely not in His nature.His Holy Spirit will expose, not promote manipulation. P S. If people can feel YOUR presence, God has presence too...
@4everHisown I wonder why if you want to see the miracles and the acts of our loving God in this world you HAVE to go to the bible. I wonder why you can't just simply see the miracles everyday, in every corner of the world. I wonder why is it that people seem unable to document, film and post in youtube all the wonders that God is doing in this world right now.
@jhony357 That is such a good question...and you are absolutely right...those miracles that happened in the bible are just recorded history...today there are so many miracles happening every day and they ARE on you tube...I will happily send you some...
First realize your a sinner...Believe in your heart God raised Jesus Christ from the dead, confess him as Lord, ask him to forgive your sins (repent of them), wash you in his blood, and make you his child. Read and obey the Gospel, it has the power to save your soul.
First, realize you are irrational and delusional. Believe in your heart that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster, deny his existence, and take personal responsibility for your sins. Look at the evidence of the universe and reach the logical conclusion that there is no Spaghetti Monster. Only those who are rational enough to conclude that there is no Spaghetti Monster will be saved by his noodly appendage. The rest will be cursed to double-hell, which is twice as bad as regular hell.
@rkyeun I have looked real hard, i search many of the hubble teloscope images taken and what I saw was amazing. A Cowboy with a gun in Holy energy, reminds me of Gods justice. Go ahead search them all and look real close.
@HedeenJeff I am not going to be washed in some dead guys blood. Do you hear what you are saying? Honestly, imagene it. Literally it is an act of barbarism, non-literally it simply makes no sense.
I've had this experiences too. Two years ago at Christmas, I let myself be dragged to a Christmas eve sermon, and I nearly ended up crying during the hymens. As soon as the song was gone though, so was all that emotion.
Pink floyd comfortably numb from the pulse album does that to me , like i can see the universe in my head and flashes of pictures of life and zooming from the very small to the really big , like watching the most epic educational cgi animations of physics and biology , it's really trippy but a least i know it not a religious thing just my over reactive imagination
God, this video is so painfully boring I couldn't get through the first two minutes without taking a darvocet.
This guy must love how he looks on video. Why else would he drag these things out so long? I think what he really needs is a stopwatch - and a pair of specs.
I'm still searching YouTube for an atheist who's not an asshole spewing bitter bile. Haven't found one yet, but I'm no quitter.
Wow i'm fucking bored... CHRIST BOT, ACTIVATE! PHEW PHEW PHEEEW... I RESPECT U FUCKERS, but seriusly this is fucking bullshit. It's every mans choice, GET OVER IT!!!!!! OH FUCK CHRIST BOT DEACTIVATE! SHIT! PHEW... HEEEEEE-----------
phil, I've been subbed for a while, but I might be unsubbing. I like your points, but your slow speech and pregnant pauses are driving me to distraction. This video should have been about 4 minutes long. Sorry dude.
@TheSoSoAgnostic If it had only been 4 minutes long, it would have been rather lacking. He was building towards the point, and he was showing the audience how emotional manipulation works.
Tech, I understand the concept, I just don't enjoy it. I am always torn when I see Phil in my subscription box, debating whether I am up to listening to it. Apparently, lots of people like it, but I find my mind wandering and forgetting what the video is about.
@TheSoSoAgnostic: I read your comment, and went away for a while, but it bothered me, so I came back to add mine. Phil could have presented his idea in one sentence but it wouldn't have been anything but a gripe. This is performance art; it is powerful because you are drawn into it even when you know what is coming. The time required is just payment for the power, particularly if you've ever felt yourself the feelings he's expressing.
Sorry you don't feel that. It is a priceless catharsis.
This video made me wanna make my own video describing my experience with religion. Growing up in Israel was quite an experience, and it was very religious and non-religious at the same time. It's hard to explain in 500 characters, but I will make a video. Right now I'm in the middle of a move from Orlando to LA, but when I'm done settling in I will get on it. I want to hear others' experiences, and I would like to see people's responses and thoughts of my own.
One thing people have yet to bring up in these comments is that you're obviously making this up. I have a 7 year old who is perfectly normal, if not above average intelligence, and there is no way he thinks in this manner. He's still watching iCarly. He still believes in Santa Clause. I think you're lying.
I have a nephew that read at a sixth grade level when he was five. I don't assume all five year old children can do this. (I don't expect them to.) The point is, that not all children think the same.
@Nicksblog I have a perfectly normal 7 year old who figured out Santa on his own and thins the whole Jesus story is (his words) 'creepy' 7 is the age of reason. It's when we start to figure things out.
I agree, but religion taints even that by saying that compassion is something that comes from God. But it comes from us, from within US! It evolved. It is a part of US! It's beautiful but religion denies it's truly ours.
What does it do to us, as individuals and as a species,
Cried in laughter I mean, excellent video.
TheHispanicAviator 6 months ago
I cried when I saw this.
Thank you Phil, I needed this.
TheHispanicAviator 6 months ago
@88momart
Or, they are naturally evolved methods we use to interact and survive with and in our environment. There's a darwinian explanation for every emotion. For example love is controlled by the same set of functions that make up our reproductive system.
Our universe appears exactly as it would if a god didn't exist.
viiScorp 7 months ago
@viiScorp
Darwin never discussed psychology he was a biologist, so there is no darwinian explanation for every emotion. However you could say there is a evolutionary, biological or chemical explanation for every emotion. Darwinian, Evolutionist, and other such words are machinations of the feeble minds of creationists.
JamesThWilliams 6 months ago
So is this a policy you have adopted for living your life? When you watch sporting events, do you block out the sound, lest you be carried by the emotion? When you hear a bird singing a beautiful song, are you quick to blot out the sound, so you won't be vulnerable to what may be moving in your heart? There is much truth in what you said, however, emotions are one of God's gifts to us.
88momart 7 months ago
@88momart
Jesus is presented as significantly more important then a sporting event.
That warrants significantly more speculation.
Emotions are not a gift from God, they are the conduit for the delusions of any god at all.
The thing moving your heart is not the creator of the universe, or the origin of life.
It is the need to believe, a hope to escape death, and the wish for an immortal parent.
It is a manipulation.
... turn the sound off, just once, just for a few moments. Think about it.
Callirgos1 5 months ago 4
@88momart His point seems to be that stopping the medium itself stopped the Spirit. If the Spirit was really operating on wavelengths separate from the television, then the muting shouldn't have done a thing.
No one typically believes that a sporting event, or a bird can be experienced as a spirit in the mind, so your analogy is severely handicapped.
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youneekk 7 months ago
Good vid. It's neurology, anatomy, consciousness, and whatever else all rolled together. I visited that state of mind many times as a christian. Throw in the fear of death for some, lives of pain, misery, and desperation for others, and luck, happiness, or whatever for the others. It was a horrific accident and fear of death, as a child, that drove me. I can still remember confirmation talks with my pastor. I knew the bible pretty well even then, but it only said what I wanted it to.
PawnBACM 8 months ago
I'll admit that I've had a similar experience. I was very young. I asked, "Why do other people from other religions burn in hell for believing someone else? Since, like, they were raised and always around THEIR god, how could they know or even possibly THINK that mine was right? Isn't God all-knowing? Won't he UNDERSTAND that they weren't trying to deny him but never had a chance to KNOW him?" I was told there was no such forgiveness. Then, I started to open my ears to everything.
MindOfGenius 8 months ago
Emotional Manipulation.
Greyhound1405 8 months ago
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pineappleseer 8 months ago
Wow! This is awesome! I'm a Seventh-day Adventist but I totally agree with this guy.
skvmedia 9 months ago
This video expressed what I've thought all along. It's easy to get caught up in the music and pretty words but really, all it is, is noise. Noise that blocks out reality. There is much to be said for silence.
MAG315 10 months ago
how very impressive. it took me twice the time to figure it out, the manipualtion i mean. very interesting video, good job.
Spyderschwinky 11 months ago
At 7, I started crying uncontrollably at the Pentecostal church my mother (RIP) took me to. I almost never had crying fits. We had to go to the lobby. Later that night, my mother told my father that I must have been moved by the spirit. I replied that I had not been joyed, but was sad and frustrated...I couldn't put it into words at the time or understand in full concept, but that was the day it hit me that what the bible said, the preacher preached, what the people were doing was all fake.
ProjectVIN 11 months ago 14
No disrespect but your videos show you were you at in life... IN THE DARK! The fool has said in his heart there is NO GOD...Our hearts lie to us bro.. You are right about the churches... religion systems are a joke but make no mistake Jesus is real bro ... most of his so called people are servicing themselves and preaching with their own words about Jesus and do not no the meaning of what it is to follow Jesus. You are not atheist you just hate God and reither follow yourself
FACESKANE 11 months ago
@FACESKANE
You havn't brought anything new to the table that may advance your argument, you've simply spewed out the same mindless garbage that we've all heard a thousand times before.
Do you think we just do this to spite your god, to corrupt your mind?
No, we do it because we want you open your eyes and maybe, just maybe you'll see that god was there all along, but you were looking in the wrong place.
But you don't want that to be true, so you won't even try and see if it is.
MrAudiovideodisco 10 months ago
@MrAudiovideodisco and what can you brought LIFE.we all are going to die.can YOU stop that? what argument will you choice.My argument is NOT my own.but your argument is.The fact is in your HEART you are afraid of the TRUTH and if you were not then you would be on a request to find the IT but like many others your fear blinds you.Open my eyes.lol NO my brother my eyes are not the one that is closed.Give me YOUR argument and I'll give you HIS.The FACT is YOU or any other HUMAN BEING CANT STOP DIEN
FACESKANE 10 months ago
@FACESKANE
I'm not afraid of death, that may be difficult for you to understand but it's the truth.
And I'm not about to let someone who doesn't even understand basic spelling and grammar tell me about knowlege and truth.
I can't help you.
MrAudiovideodisco 10 months ago
Finally, what type of music is felt to be divine? And why do you think this music has the effect that it does? For example, heavy-metal arouses a particular subset of emotions ie rage, hostility, etc but why? What about the music triggers such a response? I would say that the power of "divine" music is in its harmony (take Bach) and that if there is a God, it would make sense that harmony would be his fingerprint.
rgs11 11 months ago
Also, interesting to look at this from a secular worldview. Take psychology: Freud would say that it was Thanatos which made you turn down the volume, Jung would say it was your Shadow, Adler would say it was your Will. Of course, Christians would say it was the Devil. Anyway, if Jesus really were God and really did exist, would the world really be so much different? Is Christianity, though absurd, not internally consistent?
rgs11 11 months ago
Brilliant! Brilliant use of music and pacing to manipulate emotions and make a point. However, you're oversimplifying things just a little, aren't you? But at least you appreciate the beauty of the story. It IS beautiful, no? The "perfect creature" who knowingly walked into the trap and the 7 year old boy who, for the first time in his life, shed tears for another and (even if for just a moment) believed and even felt the divine?
rgs11 11 months ago
I came to this realization my self a couple years ago. I had always wondered, why I could never be "filled" with the holy spirit. I would sit there head buried in my hands questioning god "why?" My pastors would just say I needed to "press in" more, but it never worked. I realized this feeling that people were having was nothing more than the same sense of elation one would receive at a great concert. It had nothing to do with god. I've felt more listening to classical music and film score.
Chatboy91 11 months ago
how can a Christian grow up if he/she is born again?
guampride237 11 months ago
Hey, Phil - what's the song you have playing? It's beautiful.
aepceo1 1 year ago
Such a classic and so profound.
AuntieDiluvian 1 year ago
@AuntieDiluvian Thanks for the link Auntie.
Like religion, music does speak to our emotions.
Combining them together is very powerful indeed.
parallelsdumaurier 1 year ago
Christians accuse Atheists for not being able to feel the Holy Spirit. I was never Christian but I felt it too. The sensation that something big, grand, wise and allpowerful is looking down on you all the time, or rather, being with you all the time. I understand how it feels and I was almost convinced. Of course then reality came back to me. MY point is that the "Holy Spirit" is but a vague and abstract impression that you could always claim to be "mcuh holier than what you felt". Not convinced
ImAnotherZang 1 year ago
Bah, Jesus Camp is just a fancy way of saying 'brainwashing center.' Religious parents just send their doubting kids there to get reprogrammed by pretty music and 'Harry Potter is the enemy of God!'
Zuifan 1 year ago
Something I hadn't thought about for a long time... I used to confuse a self-induced "goosebump" state for being in the presence of the Holy Spirit. At the time, tho, I didn't realize it was self induced. I believed the Holy Spirit was present, so I got the goosebumps, which, in turn, "confirmed" it.
dabigq 1 year ago
@dabigq I remember turning to my mother one day at church and asking her why I felt so warm inside. It nearly brought her to tears. However after accumulating another thirteen years of life experiences I have felt that same feeling while playing trumpet in my high school band, playing D&D in college, working at my job, and when I saw "Science saved my soul". It is the feeling of belonging, realizing we are part of something larger than ourselves, that people tend to confuse for the holy spirit.
cpu46 1 year ago
Brilliant! Thanks for posting.
mcrd2001 1 year ago
Wait what about...weeps...all those other people...weeps...that died after claiming they were god...weeps. Doesn't seem to do anything but get my cheeks all wet. And maybe make you wonder, what the point of worshiping or caring about religious people of the past is? Tears pour.
Juefawn 1 year ago
I know this feeling. I know what it is like to be "Filled with the holy spirit".
I felt it when I got to the end of Metal Gear Solid 4, in my PS3.
Human Emotion is a powerful thing
=^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@ frmdeath2life "Atheists are wise in their own eyes and criticize everyone who isn't like them"
Isn't that what religion does?? I mean you don't see atheist burning you at the stake or sending the Hawking Inquisition after you.
Your just jealous because I believe in science!!
luv2hatejerry 1 year ago
@luv2hatejerry.1. No that's not what "religion" does, that's what PEOPLE do. It's a universal human trait and no one is exempt from it. Christians are taught to LOVE their enemies. Killing for Christ is an oxymoron. Love your name BTW ; ) 2. Atheist's have people like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung, in their corner as far as atrocities go...another human trait. 3. I LOVE Science! Not the kind that suppresses the truth for an agenda tho. That's not Science.. that's a Religion.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life Uh, no. They are not. Christians are taught to kill their enemies. Christians are taught they are higher than anyone else and everyone will roast for not being them. Christians are taught bigotry, hatred, scorn. I was a christian. Jesus himself specifically demands you hate. Hitler wasn't an atheist you moron. Stalin and pot had nothing to do with atheism. Learn your history. By the way, it's safe now, you can take off your tin foil hat.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow - If Christianity is what you say it is.... you still are one. A scornful, hateful, bigot.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life I'm not scornful, hateful, or bigoted toward people. I used to be, and took some time to grow out of that. However I am toward religion and its pathetic rules. However being that way toward ideologies isn't bigoted now is it? You are either a) ignorant, or b) a liar with what you wrote. Don't really care which, either way you don't need to be talking here.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow < You used to be scornful, hateful and bigoted....but now your not...... well, only toward other peoples beliefs.....but, that's not the same thing because it's an ideology .... and because it has pathetic rules....
From the on line dictionary...
IDEOLOGY: The body of doctrine, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
ATHEISM: the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
You ARE what you hate. Why can't you see that?
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life Wrong. Most dictionaries lump up atheism, however if you wish to check out princeton and oxfords explanations on the word in depth, youll come to find out atheism does NOT mean that. That is strong atheism. Atheism ONLY requires that you do not hold a belief at all.
I 'can't see that' simply because you aren't educated enough to realize you don't know wtf you are talking about. You can check other sources if you'd like, they all say you're wrong once you look into them.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow BELIEF- Weak Atheist - lacks a belief in god or gods, and acknowledges that it is presumptuous to say for sure there is no god, although in the absence of any evidence, contends it is unlikely and not worthy of consideration.
Strong Atheist - believes that there is no God; some argue this position, which is uncommon among atheists, is as equally presumptuous as claiming there is a god (It is accepted that it's virtually impossible to prove a negative, that something does not exist)
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life Cute, and where did you find this? The first part of weak atheist is correct, a LACK of a belief in a god or gods. That's all it takes. The rest is hogwash.
I say you're uneducated, at least in this area, because you do not realize what atheism means. It's that simple. YOU are an atheist with most gods.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow < Is there a god?
1. Yes
2. No
3. I don't know
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life 2 and 3 would be atheist. However it is indeed cute you trying to put up only 3 answers and presenting a false dichotomy.
1. Theist
2. Atheist.
3 Atheist.
This is just how it is, I'm sorry if you don't understand this yet, but it is indeed how it is. Took me a long time to grasp it myself, but you are simply wrong. Do more research, learn more on it, the root word, how we use it, and what it means. You are just wrong there is nothing else I can really say.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow - Obnoxious hateful people is a universal trait and if you meet a professing Christian who is that way, correct them...gently if possible. It is UN-christian behavior and it may indicate they are "Christian" in name only... Jesus taught us to love our enemies.. not an easy thing to do, is it?
Thank you for sharing your lack of belief with me. I can respect that you don't believe the same way as I do but I won't apologize for mine either. Have a nice day.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life No I meant Dichotomy, not to your 3 options, because I don't know falls in the no category. The false dichotomy is the question is there a god. There are more possibilities than yes and no. There are a god, fairies, aliens, multiple gods, no gods, and much much more. However yes the other is also a false Trichotomy, but not to which I was referring.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow To elaborate further on the trichotomy since it sounded a little confusing..God or no god is a false dichotomy, your 3rd answer is essentially just another no. So in other words you have 1 yes 2 no 2 no. It can kind of work if you narrow it down to is the christian god real, while still technically a dichotomy, you could argue its a tri...however without such, the entire question is just plain wrong, and would fall under dichotomy.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow < I still disagree with your definition of a dichotomy, but since I have a life and this is a ridiculous waste of time.... you win! : )
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life Why would I correct them? If I did I'd have to correct jesus when he says you MUST hate in order to follow him. If you're right, then jesus is a liar. Your choice.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow - Hate in the sense of putting things aside that one formerly clings to before coming to an understanding of Him. Not hate in the sense of killing someone, the kind your referring to. "Dying to self" doesn't mean "go commit suicide". You pull a word from the Bible out of context to falsely accuse. I "hate" when people do that. Love also has more than one meaning. But it is impossible for you to understand these things and that is why it is pointless to argue them.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life Ohhh so you say that it's just metaphorical, but when he says love your enemy that is dead on. This is called special pleading. He specifically states love your enemy, and he specifically states hate your family. Also states you should sell everything. This is really pointless due to this isn't the first time jesus broke commandments and rules himself, thus making him a sinner. I was a christian for 16 years, what you are doing is a fallacy and is simply wrong. You fail.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow You didn't understand it then, and you don't understand now. ; ( Good-bye, sir.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life No, I understand it perfectly. It's called picking and choosing and special pleading. This is why the most intelligent of the world reject it, and the more intelligent someone is the less likely they are to accept it. Glad I'm with the good crowd huh?
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life To demonstrate this, True false is not a dichotomy. True false I don't know is not a false trichotomy, it is still a false dichotomy. The true dichotomy is true not true. False and I don't know both fall under the not true category and essentially are the same when in a true dichotomy for an answer. In your question specifically, I don't know qualifies for a no every time, you didn't give 3 options, you gave 2 options with the same outcome, atheism.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow In your last post I think you meant trichotomy instead of dichotomy and I wouldn't agree that it was false but that's okay. "I don't care" isn't an answer so I didn't include it. Point: Whether you believe 1. that you know there is a god, 2. that you know there isn't a god. or 3. that you can't know if there is a god are in FACT "beliefs". Whether you care or not is irrelevant.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life If you plan on saying the 3rd option is agnostic by the way, it isn't. Save your breath if its a set up question because that is also dead wrong.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
@Delinexwow < Why do you say that I'm not educated?
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life For the record, I fall in that do not have a belief at all category. So yes, you do indeed fail.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
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Ah yes, the intolerance of "tolerant" people. I'm sorry that your emotional experience about Jesus turned out to be a farce...And I will agree that what goes on in the NAME of the Holy Spirit is laughable. However, that doesn't mean because you have not experienced a saving faith that it doesn't exist. Saving faith is life changing. Not a feeling one gets when they get stirred up emotionally. O, learned one speak to me all the mysteries of the Universe. Professing to be wise.. you are a fool.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life "O, learned one speak to me all the mysteries of the Universe."
No. You couldn't handle it.
"Professing to be wise.. you are a fool." I gave an opinion, recounted an experience, I did NOT profess to be wise. But I can see how a born-again Christian would mistake one thing for another.
philhellenes 1 year ago 35
@philhellenes "Bizzare, ridiculous claims of Christianity... people being played like cattle, programed like machines" Sounds more like positive knowledge than "just an opinion"..but I can see how an atheist could mistake one for the other. The "fool" is a quote from Romans 1. I don't judge you, sir but one day you will be and I don't take offence if you don't believe that. Atheists are wise in their own eyes and criticize everyone who isn't like them in hating the idea of God. Very sad
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life
Oh dear, another Christian who is wise in his own eyes but speaks like a fool. Ironic isn't it, that you kind of confirmed his point. "People being played like cattle," he said. "You will be judged," you said, attempting to scare him straight.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo Criticizing others is proof that someone is wise in his own eyes. Because you don't believe in a coming Judgement doesn't mean it's NOT true. Telling a sleeping person his house is on fire isn't a scare tactic. It's a loving thing to do. If he chooses not to believe it because he doesn't smell smoke, or see fire, and calls the person an idiot for waking him then.. fine. I don't judge him for being stubborn because he refuses to listen. It still doesn't change the fact.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life
Yeah, except the house isn't on fire. There's no reason for you to pull this kind of shit unless you wanted to convert him using a scary story you think is true without anything to back it up for those who are utterly unimpressed by it. Don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo God has given enough evidence of his Divine Nature, it is plain for all to see, all you have to do is open your eyes. When one side has to resort to being nasty, lewd and critical of the other there's not much point in continuing a dialog. And thank you for proving my point in regards to being intolerant of someone else's beliefs because you who are your own god are so very wise, indeed. au revoir
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life
Oh right, you calling someone a fool and attempting to scare them into believing what you believe is totally fine and based on love, but once someone calls you on it, it's persecution. Typical.
Also, "All you have to do is open your eyes" is not an argument. Please be more specific and refrain from ad hominems when you're making your truly extraordinary claims.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo - 1. as I explained earlier, the "fool" statement was from Romans 1. I was a fool once myself so again, stating a fact doesn't mean personal judgment. 2. We love Him because he first loved us. Belief isn't motivated by fear. 3. Proof? Jesus said in Luke 16 ".. they will not be convinced EVEN IF someone rises from the dead.'" : ) I did countless hours of research to see if this stuff was true rather than just dismiss it as bunk. Want the truth? LOOK for it. The End
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life
1. Sure, you quoted it, but you were also the one applying it to him. You still carry responsibility for that.
2. Oh, i see. The story of hell is not about fear, but about love. Mob bosses can truly take a page out of that one.
3. Another assertion. "Hey, you won't believe in Vishnu even if I proved it to you. You're just a lost cause, blinded by the lies." Also, I DID look for the truth. it actually turned me away from the Christianity I was deeply in for over 20 years.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo You loved your enemies for 20 years, now you don't and that's a good thing? You're comparing Jesus to a mob boss? That's different. I studied religions. A faith unexamined isn't worth having. You were a disciple of Christ or caught up in a religious system of ritual and works? Jesus condemned the religious zealots of His day and said they were the blind leading the blind and they both fall into a pit. But you knew that right? Your responses intrigue me!
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life
I could swear I already responded to this comment...
Hey, how about we take this to PM? I apologize if I have sounded curt and rude, but the 500 character limit doesn't leave much room for niceties. :-)
We can have a better conversation over PM, if you don't mind.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life
"Atheists are wise in their own eyes and criticize everyone who isn't like them"
"criticize everyone who isn't like them"
"everyone who isn't like them"
"isn't like them"
"like them", "like them", "like them"
You do realize that Most Atheists are Ex-Theists... Don't you?
I was a Christian for most of my life, How do you explain that without knowing a SINGLE detail about me.
Lets run a test, Pray to God, and ask him details about me and my life. Then tell these details to me =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign 1. You do realize that most Christians are x-atheist's don't you? 2. Salvation is a work of God and cannot be un-done... Eternal life is, well, Eternal. A profession of faith doesn't necessarily mean a possession of it. 3. Only the God you don't believe in knows the minute details of your life. That's none of my business.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life
Nooo... Most Christians are Indoctrinated from Children.
They go to Sunday school and are taught that doubting god is evil, and questioning what the church says is evil.
"That's none of my business"
If your god is real.. then Prove it =^_^=
If you tell me My Mother and Father's full names, And my Grand Mother and Grand Father's full names, then I will believe that God is real.
You have my Full attention... GO and Pray =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@philhellenes
First of all, I want to express my respect for your integrity and honestly on this experience. I really do sympathize with your disappointment. I too have been down those roads. And this emotional manipulation I noticed at a younger age as well. But I can say, searching my own heart, that my experience with The Holy Spirit was not emotional, in that way at all. In fact, it is void of distraction.
....continued
08Revelator 9 months ago
@philhellenes
I make it a point to pray in silence and my experiences with what I call The Holy Spirit, it was not in a church or a group of "believers", or with any theatrics. The overwhelming feeling was not my own emotion, but a peace that had God's finger print on it. Like He wanted me to know it was from Him and not from me. It was distinct and has always been distinct.
I wish you the very best in your search for the truth. It seems that It certainly would not be in vain.
08Revelator 9 months ago
@frmdeath2life I'm one of those tolerant people and the only thing i show intolerance to is intolerance. your free to be a christian, more power to you, but the second you start telling other people how to live there lives based on your holy book then that is in itself intolerance of other ways of life and I will appose you on that only. so as long as Christians are telling gays they can't marry and have equal rights or that evolution is false I will be standing up against them.
fireflygirl246 1 year ago
@fireflygirl246 Wonderful testimony! Do you also speak out when Christians are hated for their faith? Atheists slam Christians all the time for being stupid and ignorant when we believe it to be the other way around. The most intelligent people on the planet were/are Christians. INCLUDING Scientists! Belief is a difficult thing not to defend from either side. So maybe the next time someone is cussing out a Christian just for being one, you will again testify to tolerance. : )
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life I try my best to, but ill be the first to admit that its harder to see the hate when its not directed at you, but I try my best to be a tuned to it.
I sure will try the next time i see a christian being harassed for just being a christian, the problem is I don't see that happen very often. I see lots of Christians being bitched out about there misinformation and out right lies about things like science and for that i think the should be bitched out over, lying is lying period.
fireflygirl246 1 year ago
@fireflygirl246 But therein lies the issue! Who's lying? I was indoctrinated with the evolutionary lie in school and after examining the PROVEN fradulant records they taught me AS FACT, it really ticked me off!! So I don't like it either. MOST are guilty when it comes to taking a stand based on principles, experiences and feelings rather based on what is actually true. EXAMINE EVERYTHING! U see Christian's lying, I see atheists hating. I see Christians believing, U see atheists correcting.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life this is why we can't have this conversation, evolution is not a lie, its is a theory and a fact, change over time dose happen, period. To say its a lie is its self a lie, ether one your telling or one that you believe.
So what your telling me is what they were teaching you ticked you off so you basically ingorned them and believed what you wanted because you knew better right. let me guess this happened between the ages of 17 and 22 right?
fireflygirl246 1 year ago
@fireflygirl246 Facts are no longer theories. "To say it's a lie is itself a lie" Same with your belief. U'r wrong on the "evolution" of my fact finding mission. But you would only say I'm lying because you don't believe it. : ) I didn't find out evolution was a lie until I was in my 30's and far from ignore I researched even more! About everything. I was raised in the traditions of the Catholicism but didn't become a Christian until I was in my 40's. Truth seeker to the end. Stalemate
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life holy spirit lol you can get that at a metallica concert, i garantee that if your whole church was filled with this "spirit" and hypothetically someone walked in and dumped one clip for an automatic weapon in the ceiling every single being would snapp out of it in a heart beat and the LORD would be NOWHERE, or tell me im wrong and explain what your super hero would do.............The one thing, the one true fact in science, is that change is constant, and consistant ergo evolution
JWshark2012 1 year ago
@JWshark2012 Apparently YOU never got the "Holy" spirit at a metallica concert, lol. So much for that "theory".
I totally agree..if someone came into a church with a loaded clip it certainly would separate the true from the false. In America everyone seems to profess their faith but you won't find many who would die for it. You have a grave misunderstanding what the Lord would "do". It is what He has already done. Agree again.. Evolution of the human heart is getting darker all the time.
frmdeath2life 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life need to keep looking bro
fermos11111 1 year ago
@frmdeath2life I'm sorry you feel like when I point out your lies that it is hate, its not, its integrity and feeling the need to correct falsehoods.
I do understand that your faith is important to you and I really am not trying to take that away form you, but you have to make it fit with the modern world and be able to accept the facts of science, the thing that makes all of our lives better, so when you mess with that it effects me and I can't have that, so yes I correct your falsehoods.
fireflygirl246 1 year ago
I had this exact similar experience in age of 14, after confirmation during which i still wrote to those "tests" they had that "I believe there must be some higher power that controls the universe". Ironical is that sentence also has info that was needed to debunk Christianity. That "confirmation" camp we had was full of this sort of things. We read bible, had fun with each other, talked about god with each other started mornings & dinner early and with prayer.
LapinPete 1 year ago
@LapinPete Its quite horrible to think now that all that was all government program, you see, Finland has national religion.
Reasons i kept religion for so long had actually not so much to do with religion itself. It came from the fact that we were told all the time that my grandfathers generation survived the wars because of religion. I felt that i would be betraying them.
The fact is: the people who fought were not only christian, there were also jewish and atheist in the front...
LapinPete 1 year ago
@LapinPete Saying that religion saved them is crime against them. They themselves fought the war and prevailed. All the honor belongs to them, not some religion, they were the ones that endured, not some god in the sky.
After realising this i was ready to accept what i had known since elementary.
There is still song that really touches me each time though, called Suomalainen Rukous (finnish prayer).
LapinPete 1 year ago
You have to admit, the Cristians do have some very good Music...
LutzDerLurch 1 year ago
@LutzDerLurch
They do, don't they? Some real pieces of art out there. I especially enjoy Adagio For Strings by Samuel Barber with a choir singing Agnus Dei. It's just... divine.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
If only more Atheist were Christians. What I mean by this, is the person making this video seems to have a high degree of intelligence - not like "brainwashed" Christian. If more Christians could be filled with what he has, maybe so many Christians would not get such a bad reputation. Just my thoughts.
jupitercrash07 1 year ago
Wow, that's actually an extremely interesting observation I never took notice to before.
black487 1 year ago
Does anybody else sense some hypocrisy?
philhellenes sets his videos to emotional music, to create the dramatic effect of what he is saying, much like the christian movie he discredits.
Much of the power in what he says is also in emotional appeal..
Sprituality, and god, is not something that can be taught by any one person or institution, for people are all different.
Spirituality is subjective, and I think each person must find his own answers to the universe.
1magine 1 year ago
I believe that the story you are telling is not a beautiful and awesome as you think. To me, this seems like a story of a poor young kid who was DISTURBED by the myth of Jesus...
guitarmaestro078 1 year ago
I never shared a belief in god. It seemed rediculous even as a child and Ive never been capable of believing in the rediculous. It took me some time to believe in a universe untill I looked at the facts, hoping for proof of both, at the age of 5. There was proof a universe existed right infront of me, but none of god. It confused me.
Im not proud of it, personal inexperience with faith means I may be at a disadvantage. Watching the PotC, even to this day I wouldn't be able to do what you did.
BlackMetalWarewolf 1 year ago
I felt the Holy Spirit when Gary Oldman slit Kevin Bacon's Achilles tendons in Murder in the First. I felt is so much that I did some research and discovered that every fact in the movie was wrong.
GottliebBurckhardt 1 year ago
true but you can gain this belief and truth
MrTrilidge 1 year ago
Haha, how ridiculous.
RorySPQR 1 year ago
I've experienced what you describe in this video a few times. It does feel amazing.
Until you turn the sound off.
Averagegamer100 1 year ago
Wow, similar experience to me. My childhood consisted of having the Christian dogma rammed down my throat and I always doubted and resented it as absurd nonsense manipulating people. As I matured, I'm was only convinced more than ever of the insanity that is Christianity.
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
Well done!
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 1 year ago
Sometimes I wonder if you make up these stories Phil.. It´s just the skeptic in me, it´s nothing personal and I´d say the odds are 90/10 in your favour.. But it doesnt matter really - the story could be true, and either way, it´s incredibly meaningful.
Korkzor 1 year ago
It was after having listened to a piece of classical music by Beethoven, which had brought me to a state of ectasy, that I later thought to myself, why hadn't I ever felt like this in church before? And when I do feel similar feelings like this in church, why is it always during the most dramatic parts of the songs that I happen to like?
freethinker923 1 year ago
I cried like a baby during the passion of the Christ. It occured to me later that what had left most enduring impact on me had nothing to do with Christ specifically, his sacrifice, or any of that. It was the raw human empathy that I felt for a woman losing her son, while she watched him being tortured to death. Even then, I wonder if I would have shed a tear at all without the soundtrack.
freethinker923 1 year ago
I am a Non-Abrahamic Theist.
I say 'Amen Brother in Truth'.
To paraphrase William Blake:
'I must create a system, or be enslaved by that of another'
PeterThenn 1 year ago
@SonistheFatherofMan So achieve Nirvana and end your suffering.
PeterThenn 1 year ago
Beautiful speech. I myself was trapped in religion until the age of 12.
One thing that has always stuck me in an odd way. I have never felt such a "holy spirit", until I had determined one does not exist. I finally felt "it", out of sheer astonishment for my (our) existence.
zach118 1 year ago
I wept while watching Ever After, lulz.
Chibithy 1 year ago
You could think like that at the age of SEVEN? That's pretty impressive! Religion had a grip on me until I was thirteen years old. I remember feeling the 'holy spirit', lol. Pretty embarrassing thinking about it afterwards.
L00kingF0rAnswers 1 year ago
@L00kingF0rAnswers You really shouldn't be embarrassed in ANY way. You were a child. You didn't know what was going on. In fact, 13 is a pretty early escape. I'd say you were way ahead of the curve. I just got very lucky. I wasn't just allowed to think for myself from an early age, I was encouraged to do so and praised when I did some "good thinking". Mum and Dad even lied to see if they could trick me. I learned to doubt every word everyone around me ever said. It has served me well. :)
philhellenes 1 year ago 12
@philhellenes You lucky bastard! ;) I'll make sure to be like your parents when (or if) I get children.
L00kingF0rAnswers 1 year ago
@philhellenes And I forgot to thank you.
L00kingF0rAnswers 1 year ago
@philhellenes "Good thinking!" I like that. I'll remember that when I have kids. ^.^
KaraRvn 1 year ago
@philhellenes Took me till I was 18, though I had growing doubts from about 14 onwards.
murezac 1 year ago
@philhellenes I also used to be in a highly religious family as well, and you know for the LONEGST time I wondered what was wrong with me. I was utterly fascinated with stuff like Cosmos when I was a child, yet I could not seem to feel this "holy spirit" that everyone else apparently did. I used to think I was the farce and something was wrong with me. I am grateful for some excellent teachers and good grandparents who just wouldnt quit and forced me to think for myself and reverse that concept
shkotay 11 months ago
@L00kingF0rAnswers "philhellenes" is right. 13 is very young to have the ability to make that kind of distinction. I remember when I was 9, my best friend was 13, we went to every church in Fresno, Ca. We had no ability to think there was no god. We only thought that we had to find out who really knew him. After about a hundred churches and a few years it only got worse. We asked questions and the answers made less sense. Until we received anger from them. It's never changed.
Mikedogg13666 1 year ago
Great video, thank you!
- atheist electrician
NonQuark 1 year ago
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i jus wanna know who wrote the bible then? did one man write the bible? did a group of dudes come together and say to themselves...lets write a fucking epic, right now! i wanna know...
syrensounds 1 year ago
@syrensounds There is a movie called "the bibles buried secrets" that tells you some of the story.
The old testament is written by 4-5 different groups of scribes over a 500 year period if I recall correctly. Much of it for political purposes.
Noone knows for sure who wrote the new testament, though it is very doubtful the testaments attributed to the 4 apostles was written by them.
Korkzor 1 year ago
Should i feel bad that i felt these compassionate feelings for the suffering of another, first for Aeris from Final Fantasy 7, and not from religion?
JakenJragin 1 year ago
truly amazing video. the only other people who have made amazing videos that have an impact on me were QualiaSoup and TheraminTrees.
StaulkHolm 1 year ago
LOL- My husband is an electrician and an atheist. I'll have to show him your vid ;)
MindAndMarzipan 1 year ago
I wish it were as simple as music, but you should see my sister have these spontaneous "orgasms" where she starts quivering and yelling about "God" and Jesus. I know it's learned behaviour from what you described in the video, but she can do it with or without music and with or without fellow crazies present.
Sahuagin 1 year ago
@Sahuagin Ideas can be just as strong...heard of post traumatic stress disorder?
chessdawgz 1 year ago
Hi Friend, Have you ever read the bible? It is full of encounters that people had with God...not in a building with the lights dim and the people singing praises..Jesus performed miracles and healings in the streets, on the beach, at a wedding, out in the fields, in people's houses. Check it out for yourself. God hates manipulation It is definitely not in His nature.His Holy Spirit will expose, not promote manipulation. P S. If people can feel YOUR presence, God has presence too...
4everHisown 1 year ago
@4everHisown
Nay, the second coming is here upon us, Blessed be Vissarion. Go to him.
watch?v=45DA_HJuLZ0
Aegialeus 1 year ago
@4everHisown I wonder why if you want to see the miracles and the acts of our loving God in this world you HAVE to go to the bible. I wonder why you can't just simply see the miracles everyday, in every corner of the world. I wonder why is it that people seem unable to document, film and post in youtube all the wonders that God is doing in this world right now.
I wonder why may it be?
jhony357 1 year ago
@jhony357 That is such a good question...and you are absolutely right...those miracles that happened in the bible are just recorded history...today there are so many miracles happening every day and they ARE on you tube...I will happily send you some...
4everHisown 1 year ago
First realize your a sinner...Believe in your heart God raised Jesus Christ from the dead, confess him as Lord, ask him to forgive your sins (repent of them), wash you in his blood, and make you his child. Read and obey the Gospel, it has the power to save your soul.
HedeenJeff 1 year ago
@HedeenJeff
First, realize you are irrational and delusional. Believe in your heart that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster, deny his existence, and take personal responsibility for your sins. Look at the evidence of the universe and reach the logical conclusion that there is no Spaghetti Monster. Only those who are rational enough to conclude that there is no Spaghetti Monster will be saved by his noodly appendage. The rest will be cursed to double-hell, which is twice as bad as regular hell.
rkyeun 1 year ago 2
@rkyeun I have looked real hard, i search many of the hubble teloscope images taken and what I saw was amazing. A Cowboy with a gun in Holy energy, reminds me of Gods justice. Go ahead search them all and look real close.
HedeenJeff 1 year ago
@HedeenJeff I am not going to be washed in some dead guys blood. Do you hear what you are saying? Honestly, imagene it. Literally it is an act of barbarism, non-literally it simply makes no sense.
Korkzor 1 year ago
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@Korkzor >>> Literally it is an act of barbarism, non-literally it simply makes no sense.
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1Corinthians 1:18
msm1876 1 year ago
I've had this experiences too. Two years ago at Christmas, I let myself be dragged to a Christmas eve sermon, and I nearly ended up crying during the hymens. As soon as the song was gone though, so was all that emotion.
reluctantlydancing 1 year ago
Lol. Hymns :P Hymens are what break when girls lose their virginity :P.
Sorry that just made me laugh.
TheInfernalSpark 1 year ago
@TheInfernalSpark Spell check has failed me. XDDDDD
reluctantlydancing 1 year ago
@reluctantlydancing Wow, hymens? Maybe if I went to a church like that, I wouldn't have deconverted. :D
freethinker923 1 year ago
test
flyingscience 1 year ago
test 2
flyingscience 1 year ago
Pink floyd comfortably numb from the pulse album does that to me , like i can see the universe in my head and flashes of pictures of life and zooming from the very small to the really big , like watching the most epic educational cgi animations of physics and biology , it's really trippy but a least i know it not a religious thing just my over reactive imagination
jmm1233 1 year ago
Word
nedbeaty72 1 year ago
well played.
good work
lainnorcal 1 year ago
Good on you.
BigDickandLittleJon 2 years ago
God, this video is so painfully boring I couldn't get through the first two minutes without taking a darvocet.
This guy must love how he looks on video. Why else would he drag these things out so long? I think what he really needs is a stopwatch - and a pair of specs.
I'm still searching YouTube for an atheist who's not an asshole spewing bitter bile. Haven't found one yet, but I'm no quitter.
faxigal 2 years ago
Wow i'm fucking bored... CHRIST BOT, ACTIVATE! PHEW PHEW PHEEEW... I RESPECT U FUCKERS, but seriusly this is fucking bullshit. It's every mans choice, GET OVER IT!!!!!! OH FUCK CHRIST BOT DEACTIVATE! SHIT! PHEW... HEEEEEE-----------
Djdudemiester 2 years ago
Darwin TERMINATED Jesus and his DAD in 1859.
Its OVER WITH. Its just a FICTIONAL STORY....get over it.
Pablo
Pablo113 2 years ago 2
Gods, and once I was that electrician...
puncheex 2 years ago
u got my sub
moleman124 2 years ago
phil, I've been subbed for a while, but I might be unsubbing. I like your points, but your slow speech and pregnant pauses are driving me to distraction. This video should have been about 4 minutes long. Sorry dude.
TheSoSoAgnostic 2 years ago
@TheSoSoAgnostic If it had only been 4 minutes long, it would have been rather lacking. He was building towards the point, and he was showing the audience how emotional manipulation works.
Technate1 2 years ago
Tech, I understand the concept, I just don't enjoy it. I am always torn when I see Phil in my subscription box, debating whether I am up to listening to it. Apparently, lots of people like it, but I find my mind wandering and forgetting what the video is about.
TheSoSoAgnostic 2 years ago
I agree. This vid could've been cut down a bit. Although the message is powerful. No unsubbing yet ))
saamohod 2 years ago
@TheSoSoAgnostic: I read your comment, and went away for a while, but it bothered me, so I came back to add mine. Phil could have presented his idea in one sentence but it wouldn't have been anything but a gripe. This is performance art; it is powerful because you are drawn into it even when you know what is coming. The time required is just payment for the power, particularly if you've ever felt yourself the feelings he's expressing.
Sorry you don't feel that. It is a priceless catharsis.
puncheex 2 years ago
superb, very good analysis, good observation. like your videos a lot.
aminizakoyayim 2 years ago 2
This video made me wanna make my own video describing my experience with religion. Growing up in Israel was quite an experience, and it was very religious and non-religious at the same time. It's hard to explain in 500 characters, but I will make a video. Right now I'm in the middle of a move from Orlando to LA, but when I'm done settling in I will get on it. I want to hear others' experiences, and I would like to see people's responses and thoughts of my own.
goal2004 2 years ago
Excellent.
Music helps a lot but similar effects can be achieved simply through crowds - mass hysteria is all too evident in some of the evangelist output.
intruder313 2 years ago
One thing people have yet to bring up in these comments is that you're obviously making this up. I have a 7 year old who is perfectly normal, if not above average intelligence, and there is no way he thinks in this manner. He's still watching iCarly. He still believes in Santa Clause. I think you're lying.
Nicksblog 2 years ago
I have a nephew that read at a sixth grade level when he was five. I don't assume all five year old children can do this. (I don't expect them to.) The point is, that not all children think the same.
ThisClownis2in1 2 years ago 2
@Nicksblog I have a perfectly normal 7 year old who figured out Santa on his own and thins the whole Jesus story is (his words) 'creepy' 7 is the age of reason. It's when we start to figure things out.
moronicnotions 2 years ago
Compassion is sacred.
eastariel 2 years ago
I agree, but religion taints even that by saying that compassion is something that comes from God. But it comes from us, from within US! It evolved. It is a part of US! It's beautiful but religion denies it's truly ours.
What does it do to us, as individuals and as a species,