a church in china no more explains your religion than a muslim mosque in america proves their religion. by your own reasoning, I suppose the power of Mohammed is reaching across the Atlantic. I mean: "how else could you explain that"?
cont:- i realize not that i was only lieing to myself to the point i believed it. Circular reasoning was also a tool they used on the side of scare tactics "dont be evil or youll burn for eternity" like an 8yo needs to be told that. If there is a god, i worshiping the one in the bible thats for sure. when you compare how destructive god was to the devil, the devil doesnt seem like such a bad guy. you should be more worried about God having a day than being tempted by the devil
lets just be real here. if there was a god, everyone would be worshiping the same thing. God is clearly more elusive than big foot and i really dont get why you have to defend someone supposedly omnipotent. All this stuff can be touched on by common sense. Its clear to me you have been indoctrinated into believing all this so ultimately it will have to be you to answer your own questions. I was religious at one point, but only because i was too scared to question myself
Religious people tend to have had their religion imposed on them by there parents. With the exception of those whos parents did not care, 100% of whom came to the only logical conclusion of atheism, you'll find that 99% of people share the same system of beliefs as their parrents.
Philosophy is questions which might never be answered,religion is answers that may never be questioned. The days of answering evry metaphysical question with the same 3 letter answer,'god' are over.
Hey I can swim through land and shit out bars of gold. What?! You don't believe me? Well I can I just shouldn't have to show you and when the right time comes for me to decide to show you I will and you cant prove otherwise so that makes it true! Now believe it or ill send you to a place of eternal torture when you die! If you believe me I promise you will go to a magical place of eternal happiness when you die. Just believe it and call it faith.
OH MY NO SUCH THING AS GOD, ARE YOU A TOTAL AND COMPLETE RETARD... oh my goodness i cant even handle my self, i hope your poor brain washed mind is trapped that way forever, suffer, bitch
"whatever your parents believe, you believe." No. Whatever your parents believe, your MOST LIKELY to believe. You can believe whatever you want, but if your parents are Christian and they want you to believe in Christianity, then you most likely to believe in Christianity. But, if you have basic thoughts, then you can embrace the truth and join us atheists. XD
So that a Hindu parent would reject a child for converting to Christianity makes enough sense to you for you to understand it, but Christians persecuting people for converting to something else just doesn't register with you?
The problem you're addressing clearly isn't what faith people hold, because if it were, you would be addressing it consistently. You aren't. The issue isn't whether or not a person believes, it's whether or not they're different from you.
"The Holy Spirit" - essentially that feeling you get when you think about the strength of your religious beliefs and the fellowship you feel with other people who talk to you about it and share your faith, is just the gestalt we ALL feel at being part of something larger than ourselves. You mention it a lot in your video and ask how we explain it, it's just the feeling people get from belonging to a community. Whether the community is a church or school, or tribe, or YouTube makes little diff.
Btw what about people like indians or the Aztecs. They never seemed to "be touched by the holy spirit" are they all doing laps in the lake of fire now?
Well how do you explain the people who convert from Christianity to Islam? It's just one belief taking over another. Martyrs exsist in all religions, people die for incredibley stupid reasons...religion is probably the biggest.
He wasn't saying "Your parents religion" he was saying its based on your location. Say you grew up in an African tribe and there's no possible way for you to ever hear of Christianity, then you're not going to be a Christian are you? So what validity is that when under different circumstances you would have a completley different faith.
Final thoughts: Using logic to promote religion is like using sex to promote virginity. BELIEF is something that transcends logic. I know you guys like to say that atheists 'believe' in science, but it ain't so. We make CONCLUSIONS using logic, not beliefs. Here's my final thought: If belief in God could be proven using debate and facts, what exactly is the value of Faith?
Second question: How can the Chinese christian church being doing so well? Because humans are prone to superstition, and religion is superstition. I don't really understand your questions about martyrdom, since it exists in all religions, and mostly in Islam, you seem to be implying that Islam must be the "right" religion. How else could hundreds of people strap bombs to themselves and become 'martyrs'?
First question: Do I really think that faith/religion is passed on by family culture? Answer: Yes. Of course. That's why India is mostly Hindu. What you gave was an anecdote. Of course some people change religions. So what? If religion preference had something to do with character, we would see the same percentage of Christians in every culture. We don't. It's definitely family/culturally inherited.
@oakstave Exactly and I also am pretty confident that if this guy was born in Iran he would be preaching about Muhammed and how he would die for him because he was a real man and how allah is the true god. Only difference with us athiests is we were lucky enough to be born in a country with freedom of religion so once we got older we were intelligent enough to decide for ourselves that religion is stupid. Most kids believed in the easter bunny too when they were little...
Yes, a lot of people convert to Christianity, I don't refute that, but a lot of people convert to other religions also. I agree that a lot of people I know are 'born-again' Christians. This is not an argument for Christianity being real. I am an atheist because I was born into a Christian family, so I read the bible. I don't see how anyone can read the bible with an open mind, and still believe in a Christian god.
Do I really believe that it's true that people stay in their parents religion? Yes. It's a fact, in fact. Do some google searching omg.
Also, you have to realize the main two people who would discuss this. People like you who wish to discuss faith, and people like me who have defected. There are TONS of people who are just their parents' faith and don't question it, hence we don't see what they are saying.
I had to stop the video after that. This isn't theological, it's statistical.
I think what people were trying to get across in their parental belief questions is the thought experiment: Plato's cave. Your surroundings determine what you believe to be true because it's all you have experienced. And that doesn't mean that people can't change; a person who changes religions has just experienced something in their cave that gave rise to change. This cave and the idea of the unkown, I think, is the problem with belief because in the end, us humans know that we just don't know.
I would answer like this. Of course, there are people who choose a religion other then their parents, however, I think it can be demonstrated that what type of religion you are MOST LIKELY will be what society you are born in. Your reasons for believing Christianity is the same for all religions. You believe the Islam, Hinduism etc is manmade. You have to contend that it is possible that Chrisianity is manmade. & your belief in it doesn't change the fact.
The point is, plain and simple, that Christianity has -no- superiority to other religions. There is no reason to choose it over Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
If you give me one valid, irrefutable reason why Christianity is superior, I grant you your arguments would hold.
RE: Underground churches You think this is a good thing? Anytime a "new" religion springs up in a culture, it finds a mass following. People's Temple, Scientology, Moonies. JWs, Heaven's Gate-all very young "churches", less than 150 years old. What do they all have in common? Faltering membership or dead followers or both. Brainwashing of people who have never had something before to convince them that this is the road to eternal whatever you offer is not proof of a creator.
I don't think being from any religion is bad or good.. i cant find any other way to comfort my self than watching you people killing each other for a bunch of sacred dirt or beating up woman for showing her face because is against some god words.. i thank each of you Christians out there who make sick things like that happen so i can feel somehow better relying on my old good science.. Thank u guys! love you all..
Not family - Culture. 1.You need to explain the clear mapping of predominant religious adherence with culture across the globe. There are exceptions of course, there always are, but they include people converting to and from all kinds of religion, not just Christianity.
2.Being ready to literally 'die for christ' is not good. It indicates there are some potentially serious problems in your life that you haven't addressed properly. I really hope you do address them and find some real peace soon.
Dont hurt for me, dont even pray for me. You say that Christ comes to you? When? Dont say all the time because then you are avoiding my question. I just want to know when. AND what you are doing when he/it "comes" . :)
Yeah I do. Religion can make people do these things. If they hold the value of their faith higher than the value of their life, their family an everything else, they will die or kill for their faith.
Well, for starters in answer to your first point, tell a child that santa wont give them presents if he stay awake on christmas eve and they will believe you. Why? As a child, the parents are a large influence whom support you and ultimately have the childs full trust.
People have a need for order and "fairness." Religion allows them to "let go" and reassures them that things will be good in the afterlife. This keeps them content with their lot NOW and was a useful dark/medieval tool of the church. It was what Marx meant when he said "Religion is the opiate of the people."
I was once where you are now. I asked questions and sought the truth.
I would like to ask you a question if you don't mind. Lets assume that God is real (I don't know if he is, and I can't prove that he isn't) and that the scriptures speak the truth about the kind of God that he is. If you follow the word in the English translation of the Bible, you will notice two things, that God loves everyone, and that those who don't believe in him will suffer in Hell, even those that may have not heard "his word". If God really loves everyone, why will he let them suffer?
It's not that you *can't* question the things you were brought up believing, it's that you don't.
And Christianity *expanded* through war. Islam too.
People die for all kinds of things. Doesn't make Christianity true. Just means some people thought it was.
Seriously, if you think the holy spirit has revealed himself to you and you would *die* for him; then I'm worried about you, mate. Have you ever asked you self, "What if none of this is real?" Do you realize what that would mean for you?
WTF.Dawkins never said that.He said many take after their parents faith,that is different from what you said.Christianity seems to be bastardised platonism and plagerized greek plays,But anyway faith makes people, usually comfortable and hopefull.In places like china the idea of a all powerfull being that will bring you to heaven if you follow his commandments seems attractive due to the oppressive conditions of that place.
People are influenced by thier parents a great deal and will be brought up learning only of one religion and so believe in that faith. I am curious though about why you would choose christianity over other religions. Oh and the thing about martyrs the truth is what they think it is so dieing to them makes sense as they believe they are doing the right thing even if the reason they are dieing for is a lie.
Why, out of a thousand, only 13 people have given this video a thumbs up is beyond me. It's a legitimate question and, had I a camera, I would love to speak with you.
Perhaps I'll get a camera soon and, if I do, I'll get back to you because you're not an idiot and I believe we could engage in worthwhile discussion.
yea I was a catholic because my mother got me into The Catholic religion. , but mainly I was sent to Catholic school, but like your friend I got saved by thinking.Mainly most people are born into it. The chruch in China's people are looking for comfort. that what religion gives you but it is a delusion.When life is hard people look for other things to believe,simple as that
People are influenced by their environment. If you're born in a christian environment, you will become christian. Yes, many people change faiths or open their eyes and realize the truth, but the mahority will keep with the environment they're raised in.
Why the underground churches? Why does any fad start and take hold? That's why.
Churches/religion spreadand have periodic revivals (even in non judaic religions). It is a social system filled with people just as political parties. Every so often a political party in America, R or D, also experience large increases in their numbers and a surge of popular public opinion depending on the cultural climate. This is applied to religion when when the 'church' sees a social issue that demands their attention and they harp on the issue until they get results... hope and change
And I do believe they would die for that. BECAUSE they truely believe it. Nobody ever said that even a number of pastafarians don't really believe their religion. The "comforting" thing is a reaction to the question "how did religion spring into existance" from an atheistic viewpoint.
HELLO MR. STRAWMAN, I know of no athiest that would claim the only way to become a christian is to have christian perants. Lots of people change what they beleive in through out there life. you are making a strawman argument and its dishonest, the actuall athiest argument is, is it not funny that FOR THE MOST PART, people believe the religion they were born into and reject the others as fair tales. you turned it into an absolute, that was not the argument, you made a strawman shame on you.
I do agree with you to a degree with how you started the video out. Implying that someone will be a certain religion simply because their parents are a certain religion is bogus. But, I think what they were trying to say was not if you were born into it, but more that "Say you were a Muslim...". Perhaps they could word it a bit better, but they don't mean that you are going to be the religion your parents are.
This was painful to watch. If you follow the evidence and think logically, like you say you do, you should be an atheist too. Scientists have found the area of the brain that makes people religous. They have stimulated the area with a magnetic field, and made believers of atheists during the experiment. After 15 min, the effect wore off. Our genes makes us programmed to believe and only stupid people fail to ignore it. We are advanced primates, nothing more and 100% of the evidence proves it!
If you think that people converting to Christianity is some sort of proof it is the correct religion, why don't you think people converting to other religions is proof that they are the correct religion? In fact if you just chose the fastest growing religion overall, you would probably be left with Islam.
How are martyrs possible in other faiths? Because they are deluded into believing in absurdities.
Your own personal belief, no matter how strong, is not proof.
This is your argument 'i really really really really do believe and i am normal, therefore it is true'. What about people who really really really believe God is telling them to smash prostitutes around the head with a hammer (Peter Sutcliffe)? Is that true?
You think you are a free-thinker just because you adhere to Atheism?! Get real! You are a follower just like everyone else. You may rebel against what Christ teaches, but you believe what Hitchens, Dawkins, or Darwin tells you to believe. You have not seen with your own eyes the evidence they claim.....yet you believe it to be fact. Congratulations, you exhibit faith like everyone else. If you're not being brainwashed by Jesus...you are most certainly being so by some one.
You think you are a free thinker just because you are a Christian? You are a follower just like all the others. You may rebel against the Lord Allah and his teachings throught the sacred book... blah blah
Prof. Dawkins didn't come up with that, it's just plainly obvious. Yes, most BUT NOT ALL people believe what their parents believe. Their seems to be a virtue in many religions to make up story's about people converting to their particular religion, but it doesn't happen very often. Much of this video is a bandwagon fallacy and not worth responding to. You say your a logic driven person; then you immediately say you would die for Jesus lol.
From the standpoint of sociology, the general trend is that children become indoctrinated into their parents faith. Globalization and widespread communication (internet) have tweaked that a bit, and there are always exceptions to the rule, but the trends largely remain. So Dawkins is correct.
I fail to see how this is supposed to be an argument for the veracity of religion over atheism. I think you just need to revisit sociology and read a chapter on cultural diffusion.
BTW the question is not good. It's easily answered in one word. Evangelism.
These evangelists also brought western medicine and technology such as almanacs. This is an easy convincer to someone who has been rubbing his wounds in pigs blood to get rid of herpes.
These kinds of conversions generally happen were there is little education and missionaries mislead folks into thinking they will raise their social and financial status by converting.
Guys like this shit me the most; so calm and reasonable - "oh he respects athiests and enjoys the 'debate'..." He must be a clever logical guy, right?
But he still totally avoids the points against him and his own are easily refuted (see below). How can anyone respect or agree with someone who "debates" in this manner?
Before I started using Youtube, I was definately agnostic, but after seeing this again and again, I can comfortably say I'm now 100% athiest.
@Bkkhngr81 Out of the millions of Youtube viewers Less than three percent post videos, let alone own accounts to comment. I feel safe saying they don't represent a majority of the content viewers, but that's a logical assumption. Videos are usually biased, Yep, because humans think they're capable of infallible intellect. Don't let someone's opinion change the way you feel about something "you don't care about."
As for these revivals in China. It could be explained like this....Nature hates a void and when Mao took over China, he stripped the people of a religious belief system. In the absents of a faith system ignorant people will cling to any new idea or promise of a better life. Again in the new China how many of the BILLIONS have turn to christ? To the Tao? or stayed the same and have NO belief of a God??
You are missing the point to the parent question. It is good that you know of a guy in India that changed faiths but of the 1 billion Indians how many have changed faiths? the answer is a small number. The same with China & Japan ,of the billions, again how many has changed faiths?? Again the number will be small. So what they are saying is that a majority of people on the planet subscribe to whatever faith their parents are. NOT all but most, so where you are born is important to faith
2:45 Dawkins never said that god wasn't real. He said there's no logical reason to favour belief in the christian god over any of the other gods that people believe in or have believed in in the past.
Why don't you respond to all of the comments below that totally destroy your "question"? Look at the one directly below...please respond to that before making any more videos.
Most religious people belong to a particular faith due to there region or parents beliefs. Some get away, some convert Muslim to christian vice versa. Christianity really messed me up when I was young. I escaped many years ago. I believed in Christ for emotional reasons but not logical reasons. I remember being like this guy. I'm much better now.
Just because you can site a number of converts from other religions to your own does not explain the discrepancy between your account of the infallible power of the word of God and the number of people who do not convert. There are so many people who are perfectly happy with their own faith, as they have grown up with it since childhood. Asking them to abandon that faith would be like asking me to abandon yours. You would laugh. Why shouldn't they laugh at you?
Was that one question or two or three? And what makes it harder for an Atheist to answer them than say a Muslim or any reasonable inteligent person?
Why is the underground christian church growing in China if God doesn't exist? Man that's a hoot! Why would people kill themselves if God / Jesus is just a figment of my imagination? Seriously, man you're logical reasoning is so flawed as to be laughable! Christianity started in the middle east but I live in the USA so it must be true... LMAO
Holy spirit is changing people's lives. People are telling them if they don't believe they go to hell. (Pascals wager.) Thats how xianity took off with Paul of Tarsus. People will die for their beliefs. Honest conviction? That still is comfort. There is no evidence of belief. Jesus was a real person He was a jew who never claimed to be xian. You can't say its true without evidence.
He needs to do research about how his church started and who jesus really is. Quit implying you know the answers.
This man could not be more ignorant about what he is talking about. You can break this down sentence by sentence on why he is wrong.
He is implying peoples views aren't shaped by how they are raised. Once people do research themselves they go on their own path instead of blindly following most come to the conclusion that the church is wrong.
He then brings up the girl asking pascal's wager. What if this guy is wrong? What is Krishna is the true god. You are doomed for believing in jesus.
I like your politeness, great tune BTW, Well, I'm sorry but i disagree with you. Use your critical thinking to think for yourself. you're righ about 1 thing though, I bet your parents are fundamentalist christians. It happened to me, my folks still haven't forgiven me. I still believe in a creator, science doesn't disproove God, it disprooves religions. I don't know who/what created the universe (matter/micro-organisms) but i know who/what didn't.
Please explain rationally: Belief in bowing down to an undead jewish zombie and somehow telepathically communicating with him. So he can remove evil from your soul that was put there when his father cursed a woman for eating a piece of fruit from a magic tree because she was tricked by a talking snake that had legs. And if you don't do what "God" says he will cast you into a lake of fire for eternity..but oh...he loves and forgives you? Explain Sheep!
I can't believe it... I can't believe you brought up martyrs... tell me, how do YOU explain Muslim martyrs? How do you explain the fact that people have died in the name of an enormous number of faiths? I mean, haven't you heard of Jim Jones? Yes, I do believe that people will die for their religions, even if those religions are wrong. History has shown us that otherwise rational people will kill and die for their faiths throughout history.
Not too bright are you? I challenge you to find any statistics that don' show that an overwhelming majority of people in the US and the world never break away from the faith of their parents. So, are souls born in northern Africa just less susceptible to the holy spirit?
In answer to your question: China has had Christianity for as long as it existed. People will trade one religious delusion for another in the same vein no problem because it contains all the same stuff they built their lives around. Atheism is a much bigger step because it tells you everything you believed about the universe is wrong. This is why many cannot accept it as truth. They are too indoctrinated.
Christianity was brought to the word by the Roman empire and then forced on many Nations throughout the west by the Vatican. Both the Roman Empire and the Vatican used Christianity as a method to control the population. That's all it was a control tool.
You seem like an intelligent guy, I am surprised you don't realise this.
The 9/11 hijackers died for their faith, that just means they truly believed, not that their beliefs were true. It's the same with Christian martyrs. You assume that it's the holy spirit moving in China, maybe it's just the human spirit which is tired of being told what to believe. Honestly, I admire them for their defiance of authority, but they don't have to be Christians in order to want freedom and care for one another.
To be a christian you MUST have faith. What is faith? It is belief without real hard evidence, right? However, evidence leads us to the truth. So, to be a christian does not require seeking truth. Obedience is required. Don't question it, just believe. Believe and Obey is what you're taught. That aint no good Bubba!
Just because people die for their religion doesn't mean it's true. People have died for Christ, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Horus, that doesn't mean it's true. Someone might believe with every fiber of their being that it is true, but that doesn't change reality. Also, your religion isn't restricted to that of your parents, though it does tend to follow in that direction. Most christians, not all, but most, were born to christian parents, or had no strong belief and succumbed to preaching.
it is apparent that not only are you asking these questions in a completely retorical fashion, you are not even looking for an answer. I found more then sufficiant answers within 2 clicks of this page.
BUT if i didn't i'd probably be a christian since i live in greece.
There might be a small presentace of people who actually change from the religion that their parents taught them but it's so small that it isn't worth mentioning.
Underground churches are started by the religious minorities in countries, minorities coming from countries where this religion is not a minority.
So i guess that the point that i would like to make here is that....
I grew up in Tehran as a Christian and later found out JC is a fictional character.
Today I do not need a comfort factor and an invisible friend. Other people do. That's why you have religion. And 200 gods available today. Take your pick.
The second reason I know of is that it was a form of resistance, e.g. in the communist countries.
The third reason is that people can't think in the abstract and create explanations.
You have to kinda admit, that the Holy Spirit can be shown by a simple world religious population map to be very selective in who he saves. If you live in Alabama, you have a much better chance than if you live in Tehran. Which would exactly be the case if it were all man made. It could be different, however, if it were real. But once again the evidence points to a direction more natural than supernatural.
Please explain why the majority of Saudi Arabians are Muslim? Iranians?
Why did 9/11 happen? Did those Muslims believe in what they did? I suppose Allah is the one true god...9/11 proves it. I mean...why would they die for a lie? Right?
You asked; "Why are underground churches growing in other countries? Explain revivals?"
I explain it the same way you'd explain the growth of Islam, Mormanism, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventism, Atheism, Communism, Racism, etc...
Does the spread of ideas, beliefs, and culture need a supernatural explanation?
I can't believe that you'd bring up martyrdom after 9/11. What does martyrdom prove other than people will DIE for ideas and beliefs whether they are TRUE or NOT.
Then again, maybe I'll live by my own high standards instead of paying some organization some of my hard earned money to think for me. They would probably spend my money on killing muslims anyway.
I was raised christian and pursued god and jesus for probably 15 years. Why did they never reveal themselves to me? Bible study, prayer and absolute faith didn't seem to work. Maybe I'll try out daoism or something like that..
your religion is a tool of control. Used to control you fools. You pay tithes to your lord for rewards that cant be verified. You worship a Schitzophrenic deity who trusts his word to be accurately translated by his imperfect creations. If man is inherently evil then why would the word of your god be legit? I mean wouldnt they change it to suit there own means? Your faith is admirable. but your stupidity is baffling.
... I pity you for your delusion. I just so hate people who class people who don't agree with them as bad, or inferior, as people who have to be saved. It just makes me so angry.
First, can i point out that just because people died beleiving in God, isn't exactly proof that he exists. Secondly, in answere to your question, because religiouns spread. They prey on people who are down on their luck, and give them a purpose which they will cling to no matter what evidense is shown to them that they are wrong. That is what religion does. Finnally,you claim beleif in Christ with no evidense, as we claim non-beleif, so how dare you be so patrenising as to say you hurt for us...
there are revivals because people continue to be immature and mystical requiring the external support.youre right,they change people in a negative way.
you say you dont see fairies then what is the basis for your faith?
If martyrs are your argument for God, I'd say the muslim faith is winning. All it show is someone is really certain about their beliefs, it doesn't show their beliefs are real.
I have to agree with your first point, Christians can break away from their parents beliefs and come to their own independent beliefs. That being said, not everyone does. For every christian you point to who has formed his own beliefs, I can find one that hasn't. It's because once you believe something it's hard to later ask why. Especially with Christianity, due to the threat of hell, how doubt is cast as a sin, etc.
Before the invention of the jesus doctrine, there were these people called Anglo/Saxon pagans. Some were Norse Pagans who lay down their lives for their god Odin, they would cry Valhalla when going into battle. Valhalla being the equivalant to the christian heaven. People have been laying down their lives for various gods throughout history, and were martyrs/heros before the christ deception. What's your point? People dying/martyred for jesus proves nothing.
I am still awaiting examples of spontaneous conversion to Christianity in cultures NOT exposed to Christianity. Not anecdotal claims but verifiable ones. Without such, your argument can easily be explained by: Social Pressures Wishful thinking Cultural shifts Indoctrination Escapism Social support of the 'group' Aspirations to other 'better' cultures Dissension That list is not intended to be exhaustive nor exlusive; just quick, perfectly reasonable explanations without the need to invoke god.
I try to watch your videos all the way through, but you always throw something out that I have to stop and correct. You said we "claim to believe there is no God." The first part of this statement makes no sense. If I say I believe or don't believe in something, I'm not making a claim, I'm stating something. You seem to be saying that we're "claiming" we believe in no God because we secretly do; you're essentially calling us liars.
The second part, that we "believe there is no God" is totally backwards, and many Christians make this mistake. Atheists do not believe in a God or gods, and atheism is not a belief or belief system.
You can't deny that the parent's or family's religion is a huge influence on the child.
trueleroix is completely right, children are being indoctrinated before they are capable to think for themselves. In the Jewish religion boys are circumsized for religious reasons after birth, Christian children baptized and sent to sunday school.
The minority that does change or quit religion are the ones that start thinking for themselves and start looking for answers for themselves.
As for your question of underground churches. You're talking about China, the majority of people there are poor, unhappy and have nothing to look forward to. Christianity gives them (false) hope for the future, ofcourse they're willing to die for it, they have nothing in this life and by believing in Christianity they think they'll get a better life in heaven.
Why are more and more people becoming atheists in the western world? Because we don't need a god.
Nobody said that Christians can't challenge their parents beliefs. The point is that the vast majority of people practice the same faith as their parents because of indoctrination. Do you really think that there are people that need to be informed that some people convert or find or create their own religion? So you want me to explain how that is possible? You just admitted that you think Christ is real!
1:00, but they still set those beliefs in you and you chose to stay with it. To me, that means that you have no drive to think for yourself and just chose to follow God without question.
2:10, a christian told me that if the whole world believes in something, does that make it right? And the answer was no, same thing applies here.
3:35, the Chinese people, with the government they have, the concept of a loving god and a better afterlife to the shitty life they have now would be great.
This was an excellent video. God bless you. Keep doing what you are doing. I found you through my son, battlejosh.
I make conservative videos. I don't say a lot about religion (although I talk about Islam) because I don't feel that is my calling. But I really respect what you and your brother are doing. Keep up the good work.
Hi! Firstly, the Dawkins statement is true as a generalisation. Most Jews follow Judaism, most Arabs are muslim, most Papuan tribesmen follow what they follow. What makes someone change is down to who they know. Secondly, re China; this church has been brought about by people (who need any change desperately). Are you suggesting there is anything supernatural at work? If so, prove it. Respect.. good debate
Your questions can be easily answered with an elementary knowledge of phsychology, sociology, and biology. Christianity does not have an exclusive claim on martyrs, revivals, 'miracles,' etc. Just as you see the world thru Jesus glasses where your mind filters and processes information to nourish and confirm your belief, others have convictions just as strong for their own beliefs due to their particular bio-chemical reactions (aka Holy Spirit), life experiences, and random coincidences.
For every kid who breaks away from his christian parents, there are a hundred that do not. The statement is not an absolute, but the fact remains that generally people dont begin to question thieir beliefs until adolescence, by which time they have already been indoctrinated. Its not easy to reject the teachings of your parents, and your friends, and all your parent's friends. That is the meaning of that statement, and yes, I believe it.
As for the churches in China, how do you know that they are TRULY experiencing christs love. How do you know they are TRUE christians? If any one of them were to sin in a noticeable way, im sure you would be quick to throw them under the bus of not being a TRUE christian. This "underground" church is not a spontaneous eruption of conversions as you make it seem. There has historically been a lot of christianity in china...and this movement is simply a rejection of communist restrictions...
...on religion. In china, all religious organizations must register with the communist party, and these groups do not. As a result, they are often harassed by government officials. Im sorry, but there is nothing that drives a christian further into his faith than a perceived persecution and a potential martyrdom. I think it is rebelliousness towards government that is the appeal of these churches, not the ideologies as you imply. The ideologies, for the most part, were already there.
I'm grateful that you will try and find examples in answer to my above question. However, you have already adopted a position in the affirmative. So, while I wait with anticipation for the afore mentioned example/s, I would, based on your current position, expect that you would have evidence to hand.
If you do, it would be polite to cite them here in the comments directly, as this is where our dialogue is taking place, then include them in a video should you choose to do so.
It's quite hard to reply to your question; you frankly hopped about a bit.
Let me hone the 'Dawkins' statement to make the problem clearer (I mused about this myself 20 or so years ago): If you were born in a part of the world that had NEVER been culturally exposed to Christianity, what is the likely-hood of you becoming Christian? You may likely respond with a statement such as, "Jesus would reveal himself to me". Fair enough but show me falsifiable evidence that this has EVER happened.
I assume you have chosen to ignore my request for citations of examples and that is the reason for no response, as opposed to having a lack of verifiable examples to present.
I don't agree with you but I appreciate the fact that you are down-to-earth and sincere in your videos. You are a relative breath of fresh air to the angry theists and also the glib ones.
Yea I agree I do like the way he approached these questions for atheists, but I honestly think you should change your title because these are hardly a challenge. They are more of questions for discussion that are particularly aimed at atheistic reply. I appreciate your effort, but the name is frankly misleading.
Of course you wont get as many hits without such a challenging title :P
I would agree with God revealling himself in times of pain and suffering. Not so much with insecurity. I was far from insecure when the Holy Spirit revealed himself to me. thanks for you thoughts!
Right, Fear insecurity and adopting a seemingly fulling world view are not the only reasons people become Christians. But you have to admit having the belief you are able to answer life's troubling questions is definitely a motivation.
Yes there might be many Physiological motivations for atheist.
But I hope most of us are simply motivated to try and hold has many true beliefs and as few False beliefs as possible.
But Even If Many atheist admitted that they actively try not to belief in god because it would cramp there style, It would not mean atheism was true or false.
But the 9/11 hijackers were 'normal' and highly educated doctors, engineers... somehow they were able to convince themselves that martyrdom will gain them 72 virgins.
Tibetian monk in China have burned themselves alive in protest of chinas religiously oppressive government. does that suggest Buddhism is true?
Why is it only that the holy spirit can only work in places where the gospel has reached?
Yes I agree that some atheist make the half-assed argument that you are ONLY christain because of your parents; In the case of dawkins His response was very fair since the Questioner did make the assumption that only her god could be right. What if I am wrong? Wrong about what? We are all going to every other religions concept of hell if we are wrong.
Fine, But isnt it said (john 14:26) that the holy spirit will come to teach us and remind us so we may know the true gospel for false teachers.
Wouldnt we expect that on occasion we would have found independently witnessed to christians. in other words Why did the H.S. Need to deprive japan , the americas and Billion of others for so long?
I would reply that Muslim terrorist killed other innocent people for virgins. If you want to say that is the same as a Christian dieing for Christ is the same. I would say you are not being honest with your comparison. thanks for watching.
Well obviously 72 virgins isn't the only thing they are getting into heaven for. They are doing it in the name of their holy book for Allah. Furthermore you basically stated that conviction proves belief, and I demonstrated that this argument doesn't work if you turn to other religions. Conviction cannot make something true. I want to say its a fallacy, but I cannot think of a name for it lol. As far as I can see the core of the argument matches.
as for being willing to die for your faith, yes, i agree. no one is going to die for something that is simply comforting or a superstition or a fashion statement etc...
so, to die for your religion you would need to believe it to be true, and be absolutely sure. however... this does not mean that the belief is actually true.
people on acid have jumped off of buildings because they believed they truly could fly, however... they could not. you can die for things that are not true.
i agree with the vast majority of what you say. but i think we all have to recognize that a racist family is more likely to raise racist children (at least until they grow up)
equally, having christian parents wont make you a christian guaranteed, but we have to recognize that they will be more likely to have christian children, obviously. there are exceptions.
as for the observation its self, yes. dawkins did say it. but i made that observation when i was 6 years old, 20 years before dawkins.
to not concede that were you were born does not reflect the faith you have is so far off. come on my man. you know that is a great point and to mention the exception to the rule, is a bad comeback. and about the underground church in china , there are estimated 30million Chinese Christians out of what 2.8 billion. that is such a small percentage it makes what you saying even a weaker argument. not a good vid my man.
sorry you think that. However please consider this. If you are making a statement that minority group is meaningless. Than think through that some more. Also, thanks for the kind words you spoke toward my brother. I would urge you to watch the video of the underground church in China and get back to me. God Bless
what , minority group. i think your taking me out of context. i don[t think any group is meaningless i just think the fact that the chineese and africans who are so uneducated to begin with, have taken up the chrisitan cause is lack luster. the people are not meaningless.
lol, i didn't know you and brock were bros. i should have known from the cool superheros you guys have on your channels. the art you two share is pretty bad ass. much love and respect.
a church in china no more explains your religion than a muslim mosque in america proves their religion. by your own reasoning, I suppose the power of Mohammed is reaching across the Atlantic. I mean: "how else could you explain that"?
j4kp07 2 weeks ago
cont:- i realize not that i was only lieing to myself to the point i believed it. Circular reasoning was also a tool they used on the side of scare tactics "dont be evil or youll burn for eternity" like an 8yo needs to be told that. If there is a god, i worshiping the one in the bible thats for sure. when you compare how destructive god was to the devil, the devil doesnt seem like such a bad guy. you should be more worried about God having a day than being tempted by the devil
TheStoicPoet 2 weeks ago
lets just be real here. if there was a god, everyone would be worshiping the same thing. God is clearly more elusive than big foot and i really dont get why you have to defend someone supposedly omnipotent. All this stuff can be touched on by common sense. Its clear to me you have been indoctrinated into believing all this so ultimately it will have to be you to answer your own questions. I was religious at one point, but only because i was too scared to question myself
TheStoicPoet 2 weeks ago
One can easily see that religion is geographical.
MoveOrder 3 weeks ago
pascals wager.....?
max11binf 1 month ago
Religious people tend to have had their religion imposed on them by there parents. With the exception of those whos parents did not care, 100% of whom came to the only logical conclusion of atheism, you'll find that 99% of people share the same system of beliefs as their parrents.
DeFaulty101 1 month ago
Philosophy is questions which might never be answered,religion is answers that may never be questioned. The days of answering evry metaphysical question with the same 3 letter answer,'god' are over.
PAULOcbi 2 months ago
Nice Lightsaber.
PsychoKiller888 4 months ago
Hey I can swim through land and shit out bars of gold. What?! You don't believe me? Well I can I just shouldn't have to show you and when the right time comes for me to decide to show you I will and you cant prove otherwise so that makes it true! Now believe it or ill send you to a place of eternal torture when you die! If you believe me I promise you will go to a magical place of eternal happiness when you die. Just believe it and call it faith.
remsensor 5 months ago
OH MY NO SUCH THING AS GOD, ARE YOU A TOTAL AND COMPLETE RETARD... oh my goodness i cant even handle my self, i hope your poor brain washed mind is trapped that way forever, suffer, bitch
DBPboarding 6 months ago
"whatever your parents believe, you believe." No. Whatever your parents believe, your MOST LIKELY to believe. You can believe whatever you want, but if your parents are Christian and they want you to believe in Christianity, then you most likely to believe in Christianity. But, if you have basic thoughts, then you can embrace the truth and join us atheists. XD
vieuryan12345 6 months ago
So that a Hindu parent would reject a child for converting to Christianity makes enough sense to you for you to understand it, but Christians persecuting people for converting to something else just doesn't register with you?
The problem you're addressing clearly isn't what faith people hold, because if it were, you would be addressing it consistently. You aren't. The issue isn't whether or not a person believes, it's whether or not they're different from you.
You should probably get over it.
zEropoint68 6 months ago
looking at the thumbs of this video, theres clearly no logic in your answers dude. religion sucks. your very confused. feel sorry for you
nickengland21 7 months ago
"The Holy Spirit" - essentially that feeling you get when you think about the strength of your religious beliefs and the fellowship you feel with other people who talk to you about it and share your faith, is just the gestalt we ALL feel at being part of something larger than ourselves. You mention it a lot in your video and ask how we explain it, it's just the feeling people get from belonging to a community. Whether the community is a church or school, or tribe, or YouTube makes little diff.
daiopowen 7 months ago
Religious imperialism and false promises
Btw what about people like indians or the Aztecs. They never seemed to "be touched by the holy spirit" are they all doing laps in the lake of fire now?
weirdercize 7 months ago
There are martyrs of many religions. Christianity, Judaism, Islam (suicide bombers, familiar?), Buddhism... they can't all be true can they?
alexface211 7 months ago
Well how do you explain the people who convert from Christianity to Islam? It's just one belief taking over another. Martyrs exsist in all religions, people die for incredibley stupid reasons...religion is probably the biggest.
piemakesmelol 8 months ago
He wasn't saying "Your parents religion" he was saying its based on your location. Say you grew up in an African tribe and there's no possible way for you to ever hear of Christianity, then you're not going to be a Christian are you? So what validity is that when under different circumstances you would have a completley different faith.
piemakesmelol 8 months ago
Final thoughts: Using logic to promote religion is like using sex to promote virginity. BELIEF is something that transcends logic. I know you guys like to say that atheists 'believe' in science, but it ain't so. We make CONCLUSIONS using logic, not beliefs. Here's my final thought: If belief in God could be proven using debate and facts, what exactly is the value of Faith?
oakstave 8 months ago
Second question: How can the Chinese christian church being doing so well? Because humans are prone to superstition, and religion is superstition. I don't really understand your questions about martyrdom, since it exists in all religions, and mostly in Islam, you seem to be implying that Islam must be the "right" religion. How else could hundreds of people strap bombs to themselves and become 'martyrs'?
oakstave 8 months ago
First question: Do I really think that faith/religion is passed on by family culture? Answer: Yes. Of course. That's why India is mostly Hindu. What you gave was an anecdote. Of course some people change religions. So what? If religion preference had something to do with character, we would see the same percentage of Christians in every culture. We don't. It's definitely family/culturally inherited.
oakstave 8 months ago
@oakstave Exactly and I also am pretty confident that if this guy was born in Iran he would be preaching about Muhammed and how he would die for him because he was a real man and how allah is the true god. Only difference with us athiests is we were lucky enough to be born in a country with freedom of religion so once we got older we were intelligent enough to decide for ourselves that religion is stupid. Most kids believed in the easter bunny too when they were little...
remsensor 5 months ago
Yes, a lot of people convert to Christianity, I don't refute that, but a lot of people convert to other religions also. I agree that a lot of people I know are 'born-again' Christians. This is not an argument for Christianity being real. I am an atheist because I was born into a Christian family, so I read the bible. I don't see how anyone can read the bible with an open mind, and still believe in a Christian god.
Like artwich said, you missed the point.
EmanResu9797 9 months ago
Do I really believe that it's true that people stay in their parents religion? Yes. It's a fact, in fact. Do some google searching omg.
Also, you have to realize the main two people who would discuss this. People like you who wish to discuss faith, and people like me who have defected. There are TONS of people who are just their parents' faith and don't question it, hence we don't see what they are saying.
I had to stop the video after that. This isn't theological, it's statistical.
Yiroep4 9 months ago
I think what people were trying to get across in their parental belief questions is the thought experiment: Plato's cave. Your surroundings determine what you believe to be true because it's all you have experienced. And that doesn't mean that people can't change; a person who changes religions has just experienced something in their cave that gave rise to change. This cave and the idea of the unkown, I think, is the problem with belief because in the end, us humans know that we just don't know.
shisa808 9 months ago
I would answer like this. Of course, there are people who choose a religion other then their parents, however, I think it can be demonstrated that what type of religion you are MOST LIKELY will be what society you are born in. Your reasons for believing Christianity is the same for all religions. You believe the Islam, Hinduism etc is manmade. You have to contend that it is possible that Chrisianity is manmade. & your belief in it doesn't change the fact.
Fishqueen1972 9 months ago
No offense but I failed to hear any viable argument on this video.
GreekWonderchild 10 months ago 2
You completely missed the point.
The point is, plain and simple, that Christianity has -no- superiority to other religions. There is no reason to choose it over Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
If you give me one valid, irrefutable reason why Christianity is superior, I grant you your arguments would hold.
Good luck finding such an argument.
Artwich 10 months ago
RE: Underground churches You think this is a good thing? Anytime a "new" religion springs up in a culture, it finds a mass following. People's Temple, Scientology, Moonies. JWs, Heaven's Gate-all very young "churches", less than 150 years old. What do they all have in common? Faltering membership or dead followers or both. Brainwashing of people who have never had something before to convince them that this is the road to eternal whatever you offer is not proof of a creator.
pghdjmarty 11 months ago
I don't think being from any religion is bad or good.. i cant find any other way to comfort my self than watching you people killing each other for a bunch of sacred dirt or beating up woman for showing her face because is against some god words.. i thank each of you Christians out there who make sick things like that happen so i can feel somehow better relying on my old good science.. Thank u guys! love you all..
staphylonegrus 1 year ago
Not family - Culture. 1.You need to explain the clear mapping of predominant religious adherence with culture across the globe. There are exceptions of course, there always are, but they include people converting to and from all kinds of religion, not just Christianity.
2.Being ready to literally 'die for christ' is not good. It indicates there are some potentially serious problems in your life that you haven't addressed properly. I really hope you do address them and find some real peace soon.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
Dont hurt for me, dont even pray for me. You say that Christ comes to you? When? Dont say all the time because then you are avoiding my question. I just want to know when. AND what you are doing when he/it "comes" . :)
Arcrer 1 year ago
Yeah I do. Religion can make people do these things. If they hold the value of their faith higher than the value of their life, their family an everything else, they will die or kill for their faith.
dumbzebra 1 year ago
Well, for starters in answer to your first point, tell a child that santa wont give them presents if he stay awake on christmas eve and they will believe you. Why? As a child, the parents are a large influence whom support you and ultimately have the childs full trust.
sgeour 1 year ago 2
1st thing you said well atheism makes since. If my family was all atheist god just does not make any since at all to me
GodGoodGlue 1 year ago
FiverBeyond says it best.
People have a need for order and "fairness." Religion allows them to "let go" and reassures them that things will be good in the afterlife. This keeps them content with their lot NOW and was a useful dark/medieval tool of the church. It was what Marx meant when he said "Religion is the opiate of the people."
I was once where you are now. I asked questions and sought the truth.
I leave you my favorite verse: 1 Thes. 5:21
Will you do this with an open mind?
ScienceComments 1 year ago
I would like to ask you a question if you don't mind. Lets assume that God is real (I don't know if he is, and I can't prove that he isn't) and that the scriptures speak the truth about the kind of God that he is. If you follow the word in the English translation of the Bible, you will notice two things, that God loves everyone, and that those who don't believe in him will suffer in Hell, even those that may have not heard "his word". If God really loves everyone, why will he let them suffer?
techfreak713 1 year ago
It's not that you *can't* question the things you were brought up believing, it's that you don't.
And Christianity *expanded* through war. Islam too.
People die for all kinds of things. Doesn't make Christianity true. Just means some people thought it was.
Seriously, if you think the holy spirit has revealed himself to you and you would *die* for him; then I'm worried about you, mate. Have you ever asked you self, "What if none of this is real?" Do you realize what that would mean for you?
ishtar0171 1 year ago
WTF.Dawkins never said that.He said many take after their parents faith,that is different from what you said.Christianity seems to be bastardised platonism and plagerized greek plays,But anyway faith makes people, usually comfortable and hopefull.In places like china the idea of a all powerfull being that will bring you to heaven if you follow his commandments seems attractive due to the oppressive conditions of that place.
philosopheDeMaelstro 1 year ago
People are influenced by thier parents a great deal and will be brought up learning only of one religion and so believe in that faith. I am curious though about why you would choose christianity over other religions. Oh and the thing about martyrs the truth is what they think it is so dieing to them makes sense as they believe they are doing the right thing even if the reason they are dieing for is a lie.
DeltaYK 1 year ago
The video has scattered ideas and contradictions. The question is not well thought out, I think MTC should be able answer his own question.
giveyadadrum 1 year ago
Why, out of a thousand, only 13 people have given this video a thumbs up is beyond me. It's a legitimate question and, had I a camera, I would love to speak with you.
Perhaps I'll get a camera soon and, if I do, I'll get back to you because you're not an idiot and I believe we could engage in worthwhile discussion.
cjc813 1 year ago
yea I was a catholic because my mother got me into The Catholic religion. , but mainly I was sent to Catholic school, but like your friend I got saved by thinking.Mainly most people are born into it. The chruch in China's people are looking for comfort. that what religion gives you but it is a delusion.When life is hard people look for other things to believe,simple as that
sheppaul 1 year ago
People are influenced by their environment. If you're born in a christian environment, you will become christian. Yes, many people change faiths or open their eyes and realize the truth, but the mahority will keep with the environment they're raised in.
Why the underground churches? Why does any fad start and take hold? That's why.
tommy605 1 year ago
Churches/religion spreadand have periodic revivals (even in non judaic religions). It is a social system filled with people just as political parties. Every so often a political party in America, R or D, also experience large increases in their numbers and a surge of popular public opinion depending on the cultural climate. This is applied to religion when when the 'church' sees a social issue that demands their attention and they harp on the issue until they get results... hope and change
savageecho 1 year ago
Travel.
And I do believe they would die for that. BECAUSE they truely believe it. Nobody ever said that even a number of pastafarians don't really believe their religion. The "comforting" thing is a reaction to the question "how did religion spring into existance" from an atheistic viewpoint.
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
Same reason that it caught hold in the Dark ages:
Your life isn't that good here
There is a guy that says you can admit your wrong and everything's OK
Are you gonna listen to him
If you accept that Christianity is correct then you must accept that others are "feel good religions". So why do people die for them?
ReuvenYisrael 1 year ago
HELLO MR. STRAWMAN, I know of no athiest that would claim the only way to become a christian is to have christian perants. Lots of people change what they beleive in through out there life. you are making a strawman argument and its dishonest, the actuall athiest argument is, is it not funny that FOR THE MOST PART, people believe the religion they were born into and reject the others as fair tales. you turned it into an absolute, that was not the argument, you made a strawman shame on you.
fireflygirl246 1 year ago
I do agree with you to a degree with how you started the video out. Implying that someone will be a certain religion simply because their parents are a certain religion is bogus. But, I think what they were trying to say was not if you were born into it, but more that "Say you were a Muslim...". Perhaps they could word it a bit better, but they don't mean that you are going to be the religion your parents are.
McMaster94 1 year ago
This was painful to watch. If you follow the evidence and think logically, like you say you do, you should be an atheist too. Scientists have found the area of the brain that makes people religous. They have stimulated the area with a magnetic field, and made believers of atheists during the experiment. After 15 min, the effect wore off. Our genes makes us programmed to believe and only stupid people fail to ignore it. We are advanced primates, nothing more and 100% of the evidence proves it!
martingoldfire 1 year ago
If you think that people converting to Christianity is some sort of proof it is the correct religion, why don't you think people converting to other religions is proof that they are the correct religion? In fact if you just chose the fastest growing religion overall, you would probably be left with Islam.
Phage0070 1 year ago
One answer... easy really - Evangelism!
How are martyrs possible in other faiths? Because they are deluded into believing in absurdities.
Your own personal belief, no matter how strong, is not proof.
This is your argument 'i really really really really do believe and i am normal, therefore it is true'. What about people who really really really believe God is telling them to smash prostitutes around the head with a hammer (Peter Sutcliffe)? Is that true?
seansalvador1 1 year ago
God hates us all.. So get on the truck..
jakematters 1 year ago
You think you are a free-thinker just because you adhere to Atheism?! Get real! You are a follower just like everyone else. You may rebel against what Christ teaches, but you believe what Hitchens, Dawkins, or Darwin tells you to believe. You have not seen with your own eyes the evidence they claim.....yet you believe it to be fact. Congratulations, you exhibit faith like everyone else. If you're not being brainwashed by Jesus...you are most certainly being so by some one.
clintj32 1 year ago
You think you are a free thinker just because you are a Christian? You are a follower just like all the others. You may rebel against the Lord Allah and his teachings throught the sacred book... blah blah
Think before you type please.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
I used to believe in Jesus, I used to think I knew him on a personal level, but then I asked myself: how do I know I'm not brainwashed?
roots83245 1 year ago
Prof. Dawkins didn't come up with that, it's just plainly obvious. Yes, most BUT NOT ALL people believe what their parents believe. Their seems to be a virtue in many religions to make up story's about people converting to their particular religion, but it doesn't happen very often. Much of this video is a bandwagon fallacy and not worth responding to. You say your a logic driven person; then you immediately say you would die for Jesus lol.
roots83245 1 year ago
From the standpoint of sociology, the general trend is that children become indoctrinated into their parents faith. Globalization and widespread communication (internet) have tweaked that a bit, and there are always exceptions to the rule, but the trends largely remain. So Dawkins is correct.
I fail to see how this is supposed to be an argument for the veracity of religion over atheism. I think you just need to revisit sociology and read a chapter on cultural diffusion.
Raptor302 1 year ago 2
People are starting to understand Christ becasue the Holy Spirit is telling them that Jesus is the Lord and Savior.
Great video. You are on the right track.
The only thing they don't get is the Holy Spirit. They don't have it. Thats the stumbling block.
Good question and hope it helps them.
Jesus is the Lord.
Outrjs 1 year ago
What about Odin or Isis?
Why isn't Isis the one you feel?
Prove your claim...
BTW the question is not good. It's easily answered in one word. Evangelism.
These evangelists also brought western medicine and technology such as almanacs. This is an easy convincer to someone who has been rubbing his wounds in pigs blood to get rid of herpes.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
These kinds of conversions generally happen were there is little education and missionaries mislead folks into thinking they will raise their social and financial status by converting.
shunyotube 1 year ago 3
Guys like this shit me the most; so calm and reasonable - "oh he respects athiests and enjoys the 'debate'..." He must be a clever logical guy, right?
But he still totally avoids the points against him and his own are easily refuted (see below). How can anyone respect or agree with someone who "debates" in this manner?
Before I started using Youtube, I was definately agnostic, but after seeing this again and again, I can comfortably say I'm now 100% athiest.
Bkkhngr81 1 year ago 22
@Bkkhngr81 Out of the millions of Youtube viewers Less than three percent post videos, let alone own accounts to comment. I feel safe saying they don't represent a majority of the content viewers, but that's a logical assumption. Videos are usually biased, Yep, because humans think they're capable of infallible intellect. Don't let someone's opinion change the way you feel about something "you don't care about."
TheRealistComments 1 year ago
@Bkkhngr81 I will still give him props for not disabling comments like most theists do.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Bkkhngr81 he is a monster.
maxgunn555 11 months ago
As for these revivals in China. It could be explained like this....Nature hates a void and when Mao took over China, he stripped the people of a religious belief system. In the absents of a faith system ignorant people will cling to any new idea or promise of a better life. Again in the new China how many of the BILLIONS have turn to christ? To the Tao? or stayed the same and have NO belief of a God??
hybeerian 1 year ago 3
You are missing the point to the parent question. It is good that you know of a guy in India that changed faiths but of the 1 billion Indians how many have changed faiths? the answer is a small number. The same with China & Japan ,of the billions, again how many has changed faiths?? Again the number will be small. So what they are saying is that a majority of people on the planet subscribe to whatever faith their parents are. NOT all but most, so where you are born is important to faith
hybeerian 1 year ago
2:45 Dawkins never said that god wasn't real. He said there's no logical reason to favour belief in the christian god over any of the other gods that people believe in or have believed in in the past.
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
Why don't you respond to all of the comments below that totally destroy your "question"? Look at the one directly below...please respond to that before making any more videos.
trueleroix 2 years ago
As to your note on martyrs, the rebuttal here should be instantly obvious. Intense belief, however honest, is not evidence of truth.
Many Muslim people have obviously believed in their faith deep enough to die for it. It is notable that they die for it more often than Christians.
What does this mean?
Buddhist monk have been known to die horrible deaths in defense of their beliefs.
Does this suggest that Buddhism is true?
FiverBeyond 2 years ago 24
It's certainly not true in ALL cases... converts exist FROM every belief TO every belief.
However... the strong trend is inescapable. The last generation of Hindus is OVERWHELMINGLY from Hindu families.
Why do you think this is? How is it that, by raw chance, each of these people happened to pick Hinduism as their religion?
Exceptions exist. Heck, many exceptions exist. But MOST people 'inherit' their religion.
FiverBeyond 2 years ago
Most religious people belong to a particular faith due to there region or parents beliefs. Some get away, some convert Muslim to christian vice versa. Christianity really messed me up when I was young. I escaped many years ago. I believed in Christ for emotional reasons but not logical reasons. I remember being like this guy. I'm much better now.
heckfricker 2 years ago 3
Just because you can site a number of converts from other religions to your own does not explain the discrepancy between your account of the infallible power of the word of God and the number of people who do not convert. There are so many people who are perfectly happy with their own faith, as they have grown up with it since childhood. Asking them to abandon that faith would be like asking me to abandon yours. You would laugh. Why shouldn't they laugh at you?
anononono4 2 years ago
you have no idea what is going on in this universe..
mtngx 2 years ago 2
Was that one question or two or three? And what makes it harder for an Atheist to answer them than say a Muslim or any reasonable inteligent person?
Why is the underground christian church growing in China if God doesn't exist? Man that's a hoot! Why would people kill themselves if God / Jesus is just a figment of my imagination? Seriously, man you're logical reasoning is so flawed as to be laughable! Christianity started in the middle east but I live in the USA so it must be true... LMAO
Vibr8tor 2 years ago
Holy spirit is changing people's lives. People are telling them if they don't believe they go to hell. (Pascals wager.) Thats how xianity took off with Paul of Tarsus. People will die for their beliefs. Honest conviction? That still is comfort. There is no evidence of belief. Jesus was a real person He was a jew who never claimed to be xian. You can't say its true without evidence.
He needs to do research about how his church started and who jesus really is. Quit implying you know the answers.
searchn4atheistjesus 2 years ago
This man could not be more ignorant about what he is talking about. You can break this down sentence by sentence on why he is wrong.
He is implying peoples views aren't shaped by how they are raised. Once people do research themselves they go on their own path instead of blindly following most come to the conclusion that the church is wrong.
He then brings up the girl asking pascal's wager. What if this guy is wrong? What is Krishna is the true god. You are doomed for believing in jesus.
searchn4atheistjesus 2 years ago
I like your politeness, great tune BTW, Well, I'm sorry but i disagree with you. Use your critical thinking to think for yourself. you're righ about 1 thing though, I bet your parents are fundamentalist christians. It happened to me, my folks still haven't forgiven me. I still believe in a creator, science doesn't disproove God, it disprooves religions. I don't know who/what created the universe (matter/micro-organisms) but i know who/what didn't.
bandjcolumns 2 years ago
The vast majority of humanity are fed one of the false religions and are practically doomed to hell,
While other people are born into the correct faith and almost handed a ticket to heaven.
Dont you think we should have some type of truth radar so that we would feel (On some level) the true faith when we encountered it?
FearedUnknown 2 years ago
I don't think you really hit the heart of this question.
The VAST majority of people stay in the faith they were born into.
We all know the reason behind this .
Imposing a faith on a child's malleable mind will often embed it there for life.
Yes a small percentage do break away to a new faith (or to no faith)
But most people stay in the faith of their birth .now ask yourself, Is this the salvation plan of a perfect god?
FearedUnknown 2 years ago
so you are saying that homo sapiens and dinosaurs were all created at the same time? Was there a stegasaurus just outside the garden of eden?
11floatylight 2 years ago
Please explain rationally: Belief in bowing down to an undead jewish zombie and somehow telepathically communicating with him. So he can remove evil from your soul that was put there when his father cursed a woman for eating a piece of fruit from a magic tree because she was tricked by a talking snake that had legs. And if you don't do what "God" says he will cast you into a lake of fire for eternity..but oh...he loves and forgives you? Explain Sheep!
PolicyFailed 2 years ago
I can't believe it... I can't believe you brought up martyrs... tell me, how do YOU explain Muslim martyrs? How do you explain the fact that people have died in the name of an enormous number of faiths? I mean, haven't you heard of Jim Jones? Yes, I do believe that people will die for their religions, even if those religions are wrong. History has shown us that otherwise rational people will kill and die for their faiths throughout history.
generaleskimo 2 years ago
Not too bright are you? I challenge you to find any statistics that don' show that an overwhelming majority of people in the US and the world never break away from the faith of their parents. So, are souls born in northern Africa just less susceptible to the holy spirit?
generaleskimo 2 years ago
In answer to your question: China has had Christianity for as long as it existed. People will trade one religious delusion for another in the same vein no problem because it contains all the same stuff they built their lives around. Atheism is a much bigger step because it tells you everything you believed about the universe is wrong. This is why many cannot accept it as truth. They are too indoctrinated.
martyrs are simply brainwashed.
believerornot 2 years ago
MTCstrength33
Christianity was brought to the word by the Roman empire and then forced on many Nations throughout the west by the Vatican. Both the Roman Empire and the Vatican used Christianity as a method to control the population. That's all it was a control tool.
You seem like an intelligent guy, I am surprised you don't realise this.
How did you come to your faith?
believerornot 2 years ago
The 9/11 hijackers died for their faith, that just means they truly believed, not that their beliefs were true. It's the same with Christian martyrs. You assume that it's the holy spirit moving in China, maybe it's just the human spirit which is tired of being told what to believe. Honestly, I admire them for their defiance of authority, but they don't have to be Christians in order to want freedom and care for one another.
averagebear1 2 years ago
You usually belive what your taught. The only real way to learn is to doubt everything you ever learned and decide everything yourself.
dmndd 2 years ago
I have a question for you. Dinosaurs?
11floatylight 2 years ago
To be a christian you MUST have faith. What is faith? It is belief without real hard evidence, right? However, evidence leads us to the truth. So, to be a christian does not require seeking truth. Obedience is required. Don't question it, just believe. Believe and Obey is what you're taught. That aint no good Bubba!
dudeedud7 2 years ago
Just because people die for their religion doesn't mean it's true. People have died for Christ, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Horus, that doesn't mean it's true. Someone might believe with every fiber of their being that it is true, but that doesn't change reality. Also, your religion isn't restricted to that of your parents, though it does tend to follow in that direction. Most christians, not all, but most, were born to christian parents, or had no strong belief and succumbed to preaching.
NanakiAnthem 2 years ago
it is apparent that not only are you asking these questions in a completely retorical fashion, you are not even looking for an answer. I found more then sufficiant answers within 2 clicks of this page.
you are thankfully a dying breed. good riddens
theboozytruth 2 years ago 3
I chalenged my parents belief system...
BUT if i didn't i'd probably be a christian since i live in greece.
There might be a small presentace of people who actually change from the religion that their parents taught them but it's so small that it isn't worth mentioning.
Underground churches are started by the religious minorities in countries, minorities coming from countries where this religion is not a minority.
So i guess that the point that i would like to make here is that....
dexter21380 2 years ago
How come christ reveals himself almost exclusively to europeans and allah to turks etc. ??
If there was a god wouldn't he be the same one personally revealed to most of the world?
The reason why this is is because IT'S ALL MADE UP TO DIVIDE THE WORLD, that's why christ reveals himself only to the western civilisation. :P
dexter21380 2 years ago
what about muslims that blow there self up for there god
knightjkm 2 years ago
you make no sense
1GOD1JESUS 2 years ago
I grew up in Tehran as a Christian and later found out JC is a fictional character.
Today I do not need a comfort factor and an invisible friend. Other people do. That's why you have religion. And 200 gods available today. Take your pick.
The second reason I know of is that it was a form of resistance, e.g. in the communist countries.
The third reason is that people can't think in the abstract and create explanations.
StopSpamming1 2 years ago
You have to kinda admit, that the Holy Spirit can be shown by a simple world religious population map to be very selective in who he saves. If you live in Alabama, you have a much better chance than if you live in Tehran. Which would exactly be the case if it were all man made. It could be different, however, if it were real. But once again the evidence points to a direction more natural than supernatural.
MichaelSJLH 2 years ago
Please explain why the majority of Saudi Arabians are Muslim? Iranians?
Why did 9/11 happen? Did those Muslims believe in what they did? I suppose Allah is the one true god...9/11 proves it. I mean...why would they die for a lie? Right?
You're kinda new to all of this...huh?
evolutionist101 2 years ago
You asked; "Why are underground churches growing in other countries? Explain revivals?"
I explain it the same way you'd explain the growth of Islam, Mormanism, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventism, Atheism, Communism, Racism, etc...
Does the spread of ideas, beliefs, and culture need a supernatural explanation?
I can't believe that you'd bring up martyrdom after 9/11. What does martyrdom prove other than people will DIE for ideas and beliefs whether they are TRUE or NOT.
Retro272 2 years ago 2
Then again, maybe I'll live by my own high standards instead of paying some organization some of my hard earned money to think for me. They would probably spend my money on killing muslims anyway.
Bittly 2 years ago
I was raised christian and pursued god and jesus for probably 15 years. Why did they never reveal themselves to me? Bible study, prayer and absolute faith didn't seem to work. Maybe I'll try out daoism or something like that..
Bittly 2 years ago
your religion is a tool of control. Used to control you fools. You pay tithes to your lord for rewards that cant be verified. You worship a Schitzophrenic deity who trusts his word to be accurately translated by his imperfect creations. If man is inherently evil then why would the word of your god be legit? I mean wouldnt they change it to suit there own means? Your faith is admirable. but your stupidity is baffling.
pandemicpwnsn00bs 2 years ago
Your religion appeals to morons and fools, or which there are an ample supply.
Kieranfoy 2 years ago 4
... I pity you for your delusion. I just so hate people who class people who don't agree with them as bad, or inferior, as people who have to be saved. It just makes me so angry.
OGAMIS 2 years ago 2
First, can i point out that just because people died beleiving in God, isn't exactly proof that he exists. Secondly, in answere to your question, because religiouns spread. They prey on people who are down on their luck, and give them a purpose which they will cling to no matter what evidense is shown to them that they are wrong. That is what religion does. Finnally,you claim beleif in Christ with no evidense, as we claim non-beleif, so how dare you be so patrenising as to say you hurt for us...
OGAMIS 2 years ago
there are revivals because people continue to be immature and mystical requiring the external support.youre right,they change people in a negative way.
you say you dont see fairies then what is the basis for your faith?
TLSlayer 2 years ago
If martyrs are your argument for God, I'd say the muslim faith is winning. All it show is someone is really certain about their beliefs, it doesn't show their beliefs are real.
juggernot325 2 years ago
I have to agree with your first point, Christians can break away from their parents beliefs and come to their own independent beliefs. That being said, not everyone does. For every christian you point to who has formed his own beliefs, I can find one that hasn't. It's because once you believe something it's hard to later ask why. Especially with Christianity, due to the threat of hell, how doubt is cast as a sin, etc.
juggernot325 2 years ago
Before the invention of the jesus doctrine, there were these people called Anglo/Saxon pagans. Some were Norse Pagans who lay down their lives for their god Odin, they would cry Valhalla when going into battle. Valhalla being the equivalant to the christian heaven. People have been laying down their lives for various gods throughout history, and were martyrs/heros before the christ deception. What's your point? People dying/martyred for jesus proves nothing.
kukynphunt 2 years ago
its not that you can't think any thing other than your perants its that we you learn more from your parent than any one other
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deefsound 2 years ago
I try to watch your videos all the way through, but you always throw something out that I have to stop and correct. You said we "claim to believe there is no God." The first part of this statement makes no sense. If I say I believe or don't believe in something, I'm not making a claim, I'm stating something. You seem to be saying that we're "claiming" we believe in no God because we secretly do; you're essentially calling us liars.
inuyashaxx 2 years ago
The second part, that we "believe there is no God" is totally backwards, and many Christians make this mistake. Atheists do not believe in a God or gods, and atheism is not a belief or belief system.
inuyashaxx 2 years ago
You can't deny that the parent's or family's religion is a huge influence on the child.
trueleroix is completely right, children are being indoctrinated before they are capable to think for themselves. In the Jewish religion boys are circumsized for religious reasons after birth, Christian children baptized and sent to sunday school.
The minority that does change or quit religion are the ones that start thinking for themselves and start looking for answers for themselves.
Maaike2356 2 years ago
As for your question of underground churches. You're talking about China, the majority of people there are poor, unhappy and have nothing to look forward to. Christianity gives them (false) hope for the future, ofcourse they're willing to die for it, they have nothing in this life and by believing in Christianity they think they'll get a better life in heaven.
Why are more and more people becoming atheists in the western world? Because we don't need a god.
Maaike2356 2 years ago
Nobody said that Christians can't challenge their parents beliefs. The point is that the vast majority of people practice the same faith as their parents because of indoctrination. Do you really think that there are people that need to be informed that some people convert or find or create their own religion? So you want me to explain how that is possible? You just admitted that you think Christ is real!
trueleroix 2 years ago
do you think, if you were a hinduist you would start pray to jesus even if you never ever heared the name or just a name sounds like this?
Y0ts0 2 years ago
did god make you so fat? and your eyes to bad to live without glasses?
Y0ts0 2 years ago
He's not fat, and ad hominems aren't arguments.
inuyashaxx 2 years ago
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HimejiSR 2 years ago
1:00, but they still set those beliefs in you and you chose to stay with it. To me, that means that you have no drive to think for yourself and just chose to follow God without question.
2:10, a christian told me that if the whole world believes in something, does that make it right? And the answer was no, same thing applies here.
3:35, the Chinese people, with the government they have, the concept of a loving god and a better afterlife to the shitty life they have now would be great.
HimejiSR 2 years ago
Christians love to talk about some people who came to the zombie but they never mention the thousands that leave the faith everyday.
crossoldman 2 years ago
You've been watching Brett Kean, haven't you? Lol
HimejiSR 2 years ago
Apparently you have too. LOL
crossoldman 2 years ago
This was an excellent video. God bless you. Keep doing what you are doing. I found you through my son, battlejosh.
I make conservative videos. I don't say a lot about religion (although I talk about Islam) because I don't feel that is my calling. But I really respect what you and your brother are doing. Keep up the good work.
bookhound63 2 years ago
Why don't you believe what Muslims believe? There have been countless Muslim martyrs throughout history.
Perrine234 2 years ago
What is the difference between a Christian Martyr and a Muslim Martyr?
Muslim martyrs tend to destroy themselves along with many others. Christian martyrs are usually beheaded... alone.
bookhound63 2 years ago
1. Poverty breed desperation, which allows people to be exploited by the religious. There. I've answered your question.
2. Explain why a perfect god would create anything at all.
Perrine234 2 years ago
Congratulations, I shall be the most bluntly sarcastic person ever in my video response.
Alphabasicnumeric 2 years ago
But I'm always blunt and sarcastic. It's how I am. Converting to some religion won't help that.
Alphabasicnumeric 2 years ago
Hi! Firstly, the Dawkins statement is true as a generalisation. Most Jews follow Judaism, most Arabs are muslim, most Papuan tribesmen follow what they follow. What makes someone change is down to who they know. Secondly, re China; this church has been brought about by people (who need any change desperately). Are you suggesting there is anything supernatural at work? If so, prove it. Respect.. good debate
glyderau 2 years ago
Your questions can be easily answered with an elementary knowledge of phsychology, sociology, and biology. Christianity does not have an exclusive claim on martyrs, revivals, 'miracles,' etc. Just as you see the world thru Jesus glasses where your mind filters and processes information to nourish and confirm your belief, others have convictions just as strong for their own beliefs due to their particular bio-chemical reactions (aka Holy Spirit), life experiences, and random coincidences.
NaTroyBoy 2 years ago
For every kid who breaks away from his christian parents, there are a hundred that do not. The statement is not an absolute, but the fact remains that generally people dont begin to question thieir beliefs until adolescence, by which time they have already been indoctrinated. Its not easy to reject the teachings of your parents, and your friends, and all your parent's friends. That is the meaning of that statement, and yes, I believe it.
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
As for the churches in China, how do you know that they are TRULY experiencing christs love. How do you know they are TRUE christians? If any one of them were to sin in a noticeable way, im sure you would be quick to throw them under the bus of not being a TRUE christian. This "underground" church is not a spontaneous eruption of conversions as you make it seem. There has historically been a lot of christianity in china...and this movement is simply a rejection of communist restrictions...
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
...on religion. In china, all religious organizations must register with the communist party, and these groups do not. As a result, they are often harassed by government officials. Im sorry, but there is nothing that drives a christian further into his faith than a perceived persecution and a potential martyrdom. I think it is rebelliousness towards government that is the appeal of these churches, not the ideologies as you imply. The ideologies, for the most part, were already there.
ThoughtfulAtheist 2 years ago
I'm grateful that you will try and find examples in answer to my above question. However, you have already adopted a position in the affirmative. So, while I wait with anticipation for the afore mentioned example/s, I would, based on your current position, expect that you would have evidence to hand.
If you do, it would be polite to cite them here in the comments directly, as this is where our dialogue is taking place, then include them in a video should you choose to do so.
deefsound 2 years ago
It's quite hard to reply to your question; you frankly hopped about a bit.
Let me hone the 'Dawkins' statement to make the problem clearer (I mused about this myself 20 or so years ago): If you were born in a part of the world that had NEVER been culturally exposed to Christianity, what is the likely-hood of you becoming Christian? You may likely respond with a statement such as, "Jesus would reveal himself to me". Fair enough but show me falsifiable evidence that this has EVER happened.
deefsound 2 years ago
will do. I will try to get them on if not I will look up others. stay tuned.
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
I assume you have chosen to ignore my request for citations of examples and that is the reason for no response, as opposed to having a lack of verifiable examples to present.
deefsound 2 years ago
I don't agree with you but I appreciate the fact that you are down-to-earth and sincere in your videos. You are a relative breath of fresh air to the angry theists and also the glib ones.
octarhaberee 2 years ago
Yea I agree I do like the way he approached these questions for atheists, but I honestly think you should change your title because these are hardly a challenge. They are more of questions for discussion that are particularly aimed at atheistic reply. I appreciate your effort, but the name is frankly misleading.
Of course you wont get as many hits without such a challenging title :P
SuperAtheistBrothers 2 years ago
That's the nature of the u-tube beast. For that reason I can't fault him for the provocative titles.
octarhaberee 2 years ago
religions grow in times of insecurity.
plenty of graphs and data to back that up.
i think that really says something.
jmsimpson11 2 years ago 2
Also Religiosity has been shown to paradoxically increase in the after math of natural disasters ie Katrina and the Tsunami.
It could be the a case that it is necessary for some people to lie to themselves in order to cope with life.
But the Socio-biological Need for religion does not lend an ounce of validity to the argument that any one religion is true.
gusb232 2 years ago
I would agree with God revealling himself in times of pain and suffering. Not so much with insecurity. I was far from insecure when the Holy Spirit revealed himself to me. thanks for you thoughts!
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
Right, Fear insecurity and adopting a seemingly fulling world view are not the only reasons people become Christians. But you have to admit having the belief you are able to answer life's troubling questions is definitely a motivation.
gusb232 2 years ago
do you believe atheism has a motive? if so what?
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
Yes there might be many Physiological motivations for atheist.
But I hope most of us are simply motivated to try and hold has many true beliefs and as few False beliefs as possible.
But Even If Many atheist admitted that they actively try not to belief in god because it would cramp there style, It would not mean atheism was true or false.
Fortunately I dont this this the case for now.
gusb232 2 years ago
Scientology is growing, so I guess that 'proves' that L Ron Hubbard was right!
But the Mormon Church has grown too, so maybe they're right...
Islam has spread throughout the world. They can be as fanatical as christians. Allah must be the 'real' god.
It's foolish and naive to think just because people are recruited into a cult makes the beliefs of the cult true.
proudfootz 2 years ago
maybe, please watch the video of the underground church in China. God Bless
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
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gusb232 2 years ago
(I dont want to make a ad hitlerum argument)
But the 9/11 hijackers were 'normal' and highly educated doctors, engineers... somehow they were able to convince themselves that martyrdom will gain them 72 virgins.
Tibetian monk in China have burned themselves alive in protest of chinas religiously oppressive government. does that suggest Buddhism is true?
Why is it only that the holy spirit can only work in places where the gospel has reached?
Also watch?v=BCwLe_XwV6k
gusb232 2 years ago
Yes I agree that some atheist make the half-assed argument that you are ONLY christain because of your parents; In the case of dawkins His response was very fair since the Questioner did make the assumption that only her god could be right. What if I am wrong? Wrong about what? We are all going to every other religions concept of hell if we are wrong.
gusb232 2 years ago
Because it is a gift given by Christ. Hope this helps. God Bless
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
Fine, But isnt it said (john 14:26) that the holy spirit will come to teach us and remind us so we may know the true gospel for false teachers.
Wouldnt we expect that on occasion we would have found independently witnessed to christians. in other words Why did the H.S. Need to deprive japan , the americas and Billion of others for so long?
gusb232 2 years ago
Christians conviction proves their belief? So does that make Muslim terrorist belief true?
SuperAtheistBrothers 2 years ago 4
great thought, I would say that
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
I would reply that Muslim terrorist killed other innocent people for virgins. If you want to say that is the same as a Christian dieing for Christ is the same. I would say you are not being honest with your comparison. thanks for watching.
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
Well obviously 72 virgins isn't the only thing they are getting into heaven for. They are doing it in the name of their holy book for Allah. Furthermore you basically stated that conviction proves belief, and I demonstrated that this argument doesn't work if you turn to other religions. Conviction cannot make something true. I want to say its a fallacy, but I cannot think of a name for it lol. As far as I can see the core of the argument matches.
SuperAtheistBrothers 2 years ago
as for being willing to die for your faith, yes, i agree. no one is going to die for something that is simply comforting or a superstition or a fashion statement etc...
so, to die for your religion you would need to believe it to be true, and be absolutely sure. however... this does not mean that the belief is actually true.
people on acid have jumped off of buildings because they believed they truly could fly, however... they could not. you can die for things that are not true.
PoisonedAntidote 2 years ago 3
i agree with the vast majority of what you say. but i think we all have to recognize that a racist family is more likely to raise racist children (at least until they grow up)
equally, having christian parents wont make you a christian guaranteed, but we have to recognize that they will be more likely to have christian children, obviously. there are exceptions.
as for the observation its self, yes. dawkins did say it. but i made that observation when i was 6 years old, 20 years before dawkins.
PoisonedAntidote 2 years ago 2
Umm... I'm unsure if you're deliberately misunderstanding the basis of that particular argument; or if you truly don't understand it.
If you're deliberately working from vague meanings present in colloquial language, I prefer to let you spout your nonsense.
If you truly don't understand what people mean (admittedly often they themselves don't either) I'm willing to explain it to you.
Which is it?
TETSUno1 2 years ago
Great Vids! 5 Stars!
notNEWW 2 years ago
to not concede that were you were born does not reflect the faith you have is so far off. come on my man. you know that is a great point and to mention the exception to the rule, is a bad comeback. and about the underground church in china , there are estimated 30million Chinese Christians out of what 2.8 billion. that is such a small percentage it makes what you saying even a weaker argument. not a good vid my man.
freethinker3161 2 years ago 2
sorry you think that. However please consider this. If you are making a statement that minority group is meaningless. Than think through that some more. Also, thanks for the kind words you spoke toward my brother. I would urge you to watch the video of the underground church in China and get back to me. God Bless
MTCstrength33 2 years ago
what , minority group. i think your taking me out of context. i don[t think any group is meaningless i just think the fact that the chineese and africans who are so uneducated to begin with, have taken up the chrisitan cause is lack luster. the people are not meaningless.
lol, i didn't know you and brock were bros. i should have known from the cool superheros you guys have on your channels. the art you two share is pretty bad ass. much love and respect.
i hope you see what i mean
freethinker3161 2 years ago
Good point.
HolyVigilante 2 years ago