Saddleback Church Civil Forum - Obama & McCain 1 of 17

[Jeffersonwazright]

This video is the absolute epitome of sophistry. I appreciate the civil forum but still, absolute sophistry.

[urbanprophet777]

Obama

the great lier

[everEbody]

Does anybody know what thegas4free.blogspot,com is that Obama has been talking so much about?

[bomshizzle]

I love The Dark Knight: WHOOPS WRONG Site...

"Nobody ever panics when things go according to PLAN!" joker says. Nobody panics about ABORTION, about poverty, about racism, about peoples hurt, until a drastic CHANGE occurs. Like say, a bi-racial president.

[kered74]

It must have been hard for Obama to sit there and listen to all this when he could have been out there killing more babies.

[remmington3006]

Yes, kered74, I like your name 74 is my BD. And the Dark one will fail. But draw in your anger and be patient. Our Christian brothers and sisters will prevail.

[tenderglo4]

he does not want to kill babies just think if you were a teen girl who was having a baby because you made the wrong decision you would probably want a abortion because your scared and you just can't take care of a kid because your a kid yourself he just thinks people should be able to make the decision if they want their baby or not it's not his baby so he does not want to choose for us

[LaMOi1]

O dear... I mean who do you choose. Im a Christian and am not convinced about Obama. But McCain?? The guy chose military men as people he would ask for advice... Is he planning on taking over the world.???

[kimcolleen]

I do not believe in the separation of faith and poltics like so many today. I agree with Rick Warren. Someone's moral and values will prevail in the end. I'd much rather it be someone who at very least believes there is a power greater than themselves and that they are accountable to that

[jeremy22227]

Where do you get the idea that religious people are more ethical than the non-religious? Ritual, community, history, stories are certainly all very important. But religion as such isn't necessary to lead a good life.

[Hosea22]

Chuck Baldwin for President in 2008!!!

[surftuberox]

McCain was interviewed by at least two North Vietnamese generals one of whom was Vietnam's national hero, General Vo Nguyen Giap.On June 4,1969, U.S. wire service story headlined "PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral,reported one of McCain's radio broadcasts:Hanoi has aired a broadcast which the pilot son of the UScommander in the Pacific,Adm.J.McCain,purported­ly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received

[surftuberox]

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain

[DreadlordFrips]

Chuck Norris all teh way

[mochellyo]

so when Obama becomes president he's going to bring his grandmother to the white house and consult her for advice on how to run the country??

[jer414]

"so when Obama becomes president he's going to bring his grandmother to the white house and consult her for advice on how to run the country??"

HAHAHAHAHA lol ...That's Brilliant!!

[remmington3006]

I am laughing with you jer414 His grand mother served my grandmothers food. whats happined to the world?

[akbasak26]

that's a pretty disgusting comment?

[logicalkitty]

why did you cut off Obama! I don't care if he went on for 30 minutes answering just one question, I want to hear the whole thing!

[giramino]

The next question and answer is on the next clip 2 of 17.

[logicalkitty]

I know each clip is a different question, he cut off Obama's response to this question before he was done

[alexsep82]

this is the only time i've seen mccain better than obama. no wonder why fox broadcast this almost everyday, actually today saturday august 30th they are showing it again. i guess the want to cut down obama's lead. fox is so bias. no more than msnbc but they are not fair neither bias.

[Loriprl]

Who is Fox biased towards and how was this Q&A biased? Rick Warren asked the exact same questions to both candidates. If you think Obama didn't do a good job, the only one to blame is Obama.

[theguyfromaustralia]

I like what he said at the start. Church and State should be separated but not the separation of faith and politics because we all vote on our faith/personal beliefs. That's a great comment!

[chaselindley]

im not gonna lie, life0is0just0a0ride, that's a pretty dumb claim. honestly, who puts crap like that into your head? you dont even live in the US, whats it to you what FOX does...

[life0is0just0a0ride]

haha im a psychologist. just looking for a response. You obviously have an IQ over 100 but you seemed to think even if Fox were doing something to manipulate people what does it matter to people outside that area. interesting.

[life0is0just0a0ride]

im from the uk but does fox news always have that message bar at the bottom? if so america stop watching fox news. this is the best way to get subliminal messages into someone's mind because you arent always conscious of the text and then your sabconscious pick it up easily. they proberly have words like ignore, limited and so on under the person they dont want. and words like hope and general words meaning good below there fave guy. learn about subliminal messages if you dont believe me.

[netcisco]

Who is more compassionate to the "least of us"?

Obama gave 6% of his income to charity in 2007, he made over a million in 2007.

Dick Cheney gave over 70% of his income to charity. Cheney made over 8 million in 2007 and gave more than 6 million to charity.

Where in the scriptures does it say that the government needs to take care of the poor? Isn't that our job as a society? As a member of the family? As a member of a church?

[Shahfilms]

Netcisco thank you for showing people the truth. People think that Bush,Cheney and other conservatives are so evil, but conservatives give far more to charity than liberals. You are also absolutely right that the government doesn't need to be the vessel for helping the poor. It's the job of the people.

[yahasiff]

good obama video: shSLdrHCMyY

[redmrlove13]

number of abortions you can have in your lifetime. 1 is a terrible mistake. 2 is iffy...but 3 or more is just plain irresponsible.

[redmrlove13]

I do believe in a woman's right to choose...to a point. Firstly, I believe a girl of 16 years or younger should be able to get an abortion no matter the circumstances. You can't care for a child when you're still a child. Also, a woman who has been raped at any age, of course, should be able to have an abortion. I must add, however, that it is troubling when we hear of women who have 4-5 abortions or more. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. There should be a limit on the

[Kflow123789]

i agree completely

[Shahfilms]

Your right, a women should get to choose if she wants to murder and innocent life. Since when is murder bad?

[theguyfromaustralia]

Yeah, murder isn't bad at all *cough cough*. Have you noticed the inconsistency in laws where one can be charged for double homicide when they kill a pregnant woman? Since when is it illegal to kill a fetus?*cough cough*

ProLife Forever.

[Shahfilms]

A men brother.

[schilzy1]

Paperboi007 is correct, laws are created to govern the actions of the immoral, not the moral. I find it interesting though that Roe v Wade was created to protect a woman's right to choose an immoral act.

[paperboi007]

McCain has talked about regretting his actions, and I do believe in redemption. Doing that is probably something the man lives with every day. I still will not vote for a man, like Obama, who advocates a barbaric practice like abortion, and refuses to acknowledge the evil that is radical Islam.

[Molliepet]

Advocacy would be consenting ..I heard him in this forum and that is not what he said..he said this is an issue that needs to be discussed and worked at to reduce abortions.Once again, those in the faith will not abort.

As for Islam, he has stated he does not support the teachings of Islam.For McCain,I do hold him accountable for having such vast resources and not using a portion to make the lives of the opressed better. When one is gifted with much, much is expected.

[paperboi007]

The most effective way of reducing abortions would be to make the practice illegal. I didn't say Obama "supports" the teaching of Islam, I said he refuses to acknowledge the evil of radical Islam. Watch the clip where Rev. Warren asks him if evil exists. He doesn't once mention Islamic terrorism in his list of evil things. And how much of Obama's fortune has he used to help his half-brother in Kenya, who lives in a shack and makes $3 a week?

[Molliepet]

Do you REALLY think the credit goes to Bush on reduced abortions. Truth is, God has been moving many people in the Us, the world, in faith matters..so it's not the government changing people..it is God.

Obama does not believe in abortions, he believes in protecting your civil rights..the right to choose. If you are a Christian or person of faith you won't abort because it is unjust to God...government does not hold the responsiblity or consequence to your moral decisions.

[paperboi007]

So you're saying government has no moral responsibility? If this is the case, why make laws concerning theft of murder?

[Molliepet]

Not at all, just stating one doesn't have to have their decisions made by the government, those in the faith know 'free will' is a choice (along with the blessing or consequence). Government has to have laws for the purpose of order but not involvement in personal issues. This is my view.

[paperboi007]

Is killing innocent children not "disorderly" enough?

[Molliepet]

Believe me, I am against abortion to the level i traveled quite a distance follwing a woman and getting her to stop a five month termination(child is now 6yrs old)..but I still think the real issue is the thinking of people, the moral compass if you may, and government can't change that.....That is a job we as individuals have to change....

[paperboi007]

True, we do, but the law says it is illegal to kill a person, therefore abortion should be illegal. If you believe abortion is killing a child, how can you say the government has no business making a law about it?

[theguyfromaustralia]

I responded to your post via PM.

[jjmcoates]

Obama, Abortion rates have fallen since Bush has been in office and since republicans started passing pro life laws around the USA.

The Guttmacher Institute, reports a more than 25% decline from 1990 to 2005 in the abortion rate, with the number of abortions down 9% since the year 2000 and down to the levels of 30 years ago.

[jjmcoates]

Obama, Abortion rates have fallen since Bush has been in office and since republicans started passing pro life laws around the USA.

The Guttmacher Institute, reports a more than 25% decline from 1990 to 2005 in the abortion rate, with the number of abortions down 9% since the year 2000 and down to the levels of 30 years ago.

[pah0123]

Obama is going DOWN! If he can't do this wait until the face to face debate. McCain is going to smear him all over the floor! Can't wait!!

[ls1z28chris]

What makes you think that I am a Democrat?

I am under no delusion that a President Obama would end the war in Iraq.

[pimpinseacow]

there is a difference between a separation of church and state, and the required support of religious individuals who represent an integral part of the American demographic. Should we shred the voter registration cards of anyone who has a declared religion?

[Zile77]

Obama is in quicksand now. His poll numbers are falling like a rock.

Bye-Bye Barack!

[joebholla]

what poll was this?

if its the 1 im thinking about, than u are mistaken.

mccain is ahead in 2 polls out of 7

obama won the 5 other polls some by larger margins

[axiomizer]

what does obama actually stand for?

[paperboi007]

Nobody knows for sure!

[sweeeeety03]

Some of you might hate McCain, but at least he didn't give any fluff answer. He isn't my favorite candidate, but at least he answered the actual question that was given to him and didn't puff up himself or his listeners.

[mrklean08]

Is1z28chris is right. McCain is lost. The war has more to do with Saddam selling his oil for eurodollars than freedom.

[ls1z28chris]

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with freedom, neither Iraqi nor American. McCain should temper his delusional rhetoric.

[Chromevulcan]

You're the delusional one my friend, read the Declaration of Independance and then come back here and try again.

[ls1z28chris]

There is a copy of the Declaration over my left shoulder. I am well aware of its text. Perhaps you should read it yourself, only this time make it past the preamble and into the list of grievences. Compare those to our actions in Iraq, and then determine which side of history we are on.

Once you've done that, please articulate how the war in Iraq is an application of the principles enumerated in the Declaration.

[bryana0510]

he stutters so much.

[xnjn63]

Wish you wouldn't of cut Obama off like that.

[ls1z28chris]

I doubt that cult leader monitors this youtube channel.