RMA Systema Sibirskiy Viun - Hand-to-hand fight 2008/Systema Sparring

[ApiolJoe]

In reality the power not necessarily comes from the hips. You can totally hit with only your arm and shoulder, and hit quite hard with almost no muscles. Imagine your forearm+hand as a weight that you simply throw somewhere to smash. Easy exercise to understand: take your arm up, and let it fall down as freely as possible onto your thigh. You should feel that it actually has some power (a few Kg falling onto a target). Then you just have to do the same thing and this time throwing...

[ApiolJoe]

... your forearm+hand to crash on the target (in both cases let your fist crash of course, you don't need to tense it up, just close your hand into a fist without tension, it works as well). You should easily understand that you can generate a lot of power that way. Once you understood that, you can imagine that you can use the same concepts from almost every position of your arm, to smash the weight almost everywhere. that's y their hands are going into any direction: they r aiming all targets

[ApiolJoe]

available.

This type of punch is not "harder" or stronger" than the punches from "external" martial arts. In fact it has the advantage of generating a good amount of power WITHOUT committing the body weight. As well, it has the advantage of being able to change his target while the fist is being thrown WITHOUT losing power. Which means more freedom during the fight. All this at the cost of losing a little bit of power (in my opinion, but I'm not a high-level Systema practitionner.)

[Bassist10288]

this is gay. kenpo is way better

[ApiolJoe]

@Bassist10288

Kenpo is based on techniques. Systema is based on principles , with the aim to help you improvise the techniques in any given situation (if you have a broken arm under your shirt, then most martial arts simply are not usable anymore at nearly their full potential. Systema doesn't assume that you have two arms full of muscles to defend yourself. It only assumes that you have a respiratory system and a body).

I'm not saying the other martial arts are bad, simply that systema is dif.

[qwertyuiop298]

Wow, direct, brutal and simple! But can anyone explain what's up with all the arm waving?

[twitch3111]

@qwertyuiop298 The punches of systema are based on the movement of a bullwhip so your arms are relaxed with no muscle tension which when practicing looks to be a lot of flailing, but what there trying to do is roll there arms around there opponent's guard while keeping contact and strike him.

[qwertyuiop298]

@twitch3111 Uh, so they're round punches like hooks and uppercuts in boxing (which I don't study so yeah)? How does striking in Systema actually work?

[twitch3111]

@qwertyuiop298 No its different hooks and uppercuts are hard punches that use muscle strength. In systema your power comes from your legs and hip, at throws your arm out like a wipe. You don't use any muscles in your arm. Its like your hand is made of an iron ball and the rest of your arm is linked chain and your trowing it into your opponent. When your opponent tries to block it since there is no tension in your arm it changes by movements from your hip and can go around the block.

[qwertyuiop298]

@twitch3111 I'm still having a really hard time imagining how one throws a punch in Systema: Right now I'm kinda imagining a guy flailing his arms at another guy like Squidward. I understand how the hips generate power, but why not throw, say, a straight punch to add in the power of the wrist? What does this "whipping" technique look like in practise? I've seen the video, just can't work out how you move to effect those techniques.

[twitch3111]

@qwertyuiop298 It looks just like a normal punch, but picture a shoulder strike at the same time you throw a ball. The energy comes from your hips, travels up body, down your arms and collects in your fist at the moment of impact. No energy is generated from your arm muscles. Your arm doesn't go away from your body, it is going in a circle, its the wave motion in the arm that make it look like your arm is extending.

[SurveyofFilmMusic]

sloppy shit

[RonnySayfan]

This has NO fighting value.

Try that with a boxer.

Don't answer me - TRY sparring a boxer.

[jonoderidder]

Dude I am so sick of your arrogant bullshit. Every Systema vid on youtube there you are telling the world Systema doesn't work. Why do you spend so much time searching for the vids then? What do you have to prove? Anyway you've never been to a class. You don't know the purpose of the drills you see, the context. You just assume. You're an "expert" on the basis of youtube vids, which is nothing. YOU TRY going to some classes, then maybe your opinion wd be worth something.

[RonnySayfan]

I search systema vids for entertainment - I find it funny, like yellow bamboo silat.

And since it's full of bullshit I do my best to point it out, for the benefit of less observant people.

If systema was promoted as a health & well being art, I'd have no problem with it or it's promoters - but since it is claimed to be an efficient fighting style, I consider it a fraud.

I look for the training methdology - that's why it's enough for me to watch a few clips to know it's bullshit.

[jonoderidder]

You can't understand 10% of the training methodology from the YouTube videos. Practice what you preach and actually try it. A constant refrain from people who get into Systema is that "it looked like bullshit from the videos, but then I actually tried it and now I get it." There are people with years of experience in all styles (inc boxers-a few boxers in my class) who say the same thing once they've tried it. So much of it is what you can't see. You are arrogant to think you know Systema.

[RonnySayfan]

I don't know systema.

I understand fighting, I know what methodology is required to hone the skills to fight for real.

This "sparring" shows I'm right.

Not one of these men show good base when moving or striking, no relaxation or continuity, no senstivity once in contact, in short, no skill.

They might be in good shape, some are faster than others, but they are mostly flapping their hands out of range, while being stiff with fear of getting hit.

[jonoderidder]

"I don't know Systema". Correct. Full stop. Yet you assert something you admit you don't know about is a fraud.

You can look at all the YouTube vids you like and it won't change that. I could watch a million vids of people circle walking or pushing hands and I wouldn't know bagua or taijin.

This vid shows some low level students sparring without protection. Nothing more.

[billysue2]

if you saw even 1 sparring vid of any system you should immediately recognise if the techs and strategy was rational and effective.Any trained fighter would.All good systems look very similar under pressure.

[williamwilson666]

@billysue2 No they don't. You are an ignoramus. Go back to watching the UFC- since it's all you are interested in.

It's plain your knowledge of martial arts is incredibly limited. You know about sports and sports alone, and what you know of those sports is plainly quite limited.

[billysue2]

youll never get a good full contact fighter doing systema because they can smell bullshit a mile away.Its complete bullshit from ryabko down.Vasily might be a hard chaw despite the systema crap he spouts.Its all for money since they know some soft chaps will fall for it.

[Soulblackman]

@billysue2 Frankly, u won't get a full-contact fighter doing a lot of things, maybe 'cause they're training 4 the moment and what they know at the time. All I can say is try a seminar for yourself. U

d be amazed at the background of many who practice. That's the best I can say.

[jonoderidder]

I will say 2 more things to illustrate yr lack of understanding

1. Boxing-straight punches-can be effective, but they damage the puncher's brain over time, so we avoid them. Harder arts will hurt yr body as you age. You can't learn that from YT vids.

2. You say you've gravitated to softer styles and learned bagua. My friend is a bagua instructor. His teacher, from the Cheng family-says a)Systema and bagua are the same concept, diff cultures, b)Vlad is the most natural fighter he's seen.

[RonnySayfan]

Since systema falls into the broader category of "fighting arts", and it's efficacy, like all movement, can be kinesiologically analysed - I can say definite things about it without studying it myself.

According to your logic if the kid next door hurts your ears with his piano practice - you don't have the right to say he's horrible if you don't play the piano yourself.. a silly notion.

Suddentlly these guys are low level huh?

others from the systema community comment differently.

[RonnySayfan]

2 answers to show you your opinions are ungrounded:

1. The straight-punch-damages-the-bra­in is complete and utter pseudo-scientific bullshit. it is a total LIE that Raybko teaches - and It CAN be watched on YT.

2. So your instructor friend's teacher said some things (according to you) - so what?

Indeed the honest serious bagua and taiji teachers are exteremly rare - I reffer to the ones who dismiss "qi" and reallze they must train in full contact to become realistically efficient.

[jonoderidder]

I can see I will just have to let your opinions speak for themself. Will also have to put up with yr disrespect on the YT systema vids. you're an odd one. Everyone has arts or beliefs they don't respect but rarely find it "fun" to search for vids about them and "educate" the people who are into those things. Its a clearly futile exercise, not to mention annoying and disrespectful for people who disagree. Perhaps you enjoy annoying people. Wd say "peace" but I suspect that's not yr thing.

[RonnySayfan]

Look for my comment on this systema team knife fighting competition.

Perhaps you'll be conviced of my integrity, at least, that I give credit where it's due.

I'll have to disagree with you that it's disrespectfull to disagree.

And while I did assert my claim that the style is unrealistic and it's teachers - cheaters, I

[RonnySayfan]

(continued) - I was'nt the rude one in our exchange..

Peace.

[zzsharka]

@RonnySayfan check out yang mian system.

[RonnySayfan]

@zzsharka I've checked them out years ago.

looks can decieve.

[zzsharka]

@RonnySayfan I first checked it out 9 years ago and experienced it, it's the real deal. There are a couple of similar systems in Sydney let alone the world.

[billysue2]

of course straight punches dont damage the punchers brain.completely illogical.Wheres the proof of that.Anyone who teaches no touch combat is a fraud and everything else they say is discredited.

[BIackWaterMercenary]

billysue. they dont need ''proper equipment''... its only sparring, they implacate hits with a open hand. besides that they also are being trained in ''no contact combat'' Vladmire is a genious. i myself had a chance at his training group. Система навсегда Vlad. Da.

[billysue2]

thats harmless theyre not hitting each other,they need proper equipment.

[poohpoohcaca]

I have been training in Jkd, MMa, Bjj, Systema, Thai Boxing for 12 years now, I noticed if u combined basics from,boxing, trapping, & systema, u have a really deadly art, they all flow together. This is my personal expierence, not saying it work for everyone, I know all these arts work well on the're own but, without the combination, your just trading blows, like in the video its almost like slap boxing, but if u throw boxing combos, then jke traps, & mix in systema deflections, its amazing.

[MarcusHab]

I'd love to have a tournament with you guys. I'm sure I'd get my ass kicked but still. Worth it for the experience.

[cyruscash]

I love Novosibirsk

[aaronk0813]

WOW sibirsky systema is tough stuff, i mean this makes some karate or tae kwon do sparring looks like a country club, this style of fighting is so direct and to the point and its almost like bare knuckle fighting, i don't how they do it go at full force without bloodshed without tempers flaring cause when i took karate even light sparring tempers can flare and it can be taken personal, can lead to bloody nose or black eyes anyways i am very impressed good job.

[sibviun]

In our severe conditions of Siberia it is necessary. The systema - it not only soft technicians is also a hard work.