Some rappers, like tech n9ne, have gangs of people or literally gangs behind them to push their music, get it heard word of mouth because he's calling out their names or the name of the cliques.
In m opinion, I think because they're are so many artists out today , it constantly becomes difficult to define :'UNDERGROUND' artists( no disrespect) have been brainwashed to think LABELS… Underground means Free from restrictions from these demanding labels.. but just because you're mainstream doesn't mean you aren't an artists, so I guess it goes both ways...
When people say "what about Tupac, Biggie, etc. They were mainstream." It's true, they were. But that's when hip-hop was actually good and the mainstream wasn't all about money. They were amazing lyricists, plain and simple. And the way I see underground; talented rappers who are below the radar and haven't received the limelight yet. But the defining moment in their career is what they do once they reach that point. They can get caught in the mainstream, or be the artist they've always been.
in my humble opinion, underground aint about the money youre making, its the music. theres an underground feel to songs.. sometimes grimey/dirty other times its positive/enlightening.. bottom line, if your music is authentic [or at least seems authentic] and real.. then you're underground.. youre writing what you wanna write, saying what you wanna say. labels dont give you that creative freedom - period.
and finally jump off talk about real artists like Immortal tech and tech9.. its about time!
hiphop is too big to have undergroud. Internet has opened hiphop up. underground were artists that were not sold on radio but radio is not the only media to push music any more.
Funny thing about it is, not to many of the guy's on the surface are "MC's" they're just rappers. Remember anyone can be a rapper,any one with a third of a brain can be a rapper but, it takes great skill, lyrical dexterity, flow versatility, a sharp delivery, a high vernacular and, a in depth vocab to be an MCEE. Immense fatal lyrical skills is whats missing from the suface nowadays. It's just a bunch of cotton candy bubble gum cookie dough rappers. No Hip-Hop and no MC's. Just rap and rappers.
Curren$y would have to fit in this group. Dude continues to remain underground and makes a lot of money touring while signing people he feels continue to get slept on. (Smoke DZA, Sir Michael Rocks of the Cool Kids, Fiend and members of his group). I'm not sure what Evidence, Fashawn and Kendrick Lamar's deals are like but I hope he reaches out to them.
@Fcobra04 kedrick lamar is one of those rare dudes that is underground that everyone knows about because the biggest stars like drake dr dre and every one co sign him
How many people got thier hands in "mainstream" artists pockets though? when you are an indie artists with your own label more of the money goes to you..not that guy in a suit who doesnt care about music.
mainstream artists can make as little as $1 on a record sale (think vanilla Ice lol) where Indie can bring 8 to 9 dollars
no matter how you slice it with record sales and number of fans indie makes more if they got a crowd of fans
@DJBlack909 easy when the checks come in they dont have to split there money with the label bosses producers all the people that work for the label tech n9ne makes ALL his money back meanwhile someone like drake has to split his money with lil wayne and birdman .. thats why people like jay-z has been so successful and rich because he has never been under anybody he the only styricly rapper at the top of forbes the next people in line are non rappers more of label owners birdman diddy etc
@DJBlack909 A 360 deal is when the label gets a cut of everything you do besides selling records. Touring, merchandise, endorsements, they get a cut of all that shit. In the past the label only got their money from record sales and everything else you got to keep all of it. 360 deals are the normal deal in the record industry now. If you really want to do this music shit, you need to read up about the business side of the industry.
@DJBlack909 " How are Tech N9ne and Immortal Technique making more than Mainstream artists? They aint selling millions"
all artist make more off touring than album sales. so yes, touring the world and having that large fan base means they make more that alot of mainstream dudes who sell 500,000 copies but cant even sell out a stage.
I fully agree with you guys on this I'm a Indy Artist and yeah it's hard and I have to push my music hard. But I feel good about what I do and how I do it, I feel successful now I don't have the big money but I'm doing it my way.
Nothing is worst than being famous and broke. A lot of the rappers people think are not broke are in debt up to their necks. The thing about being independent is everything you achieve is a win. If you sell 50,000 copies that's a big win. If you do that on a major, your ass is getting dropped. When LowKey said it was a risk, It's only a risk to people that can't get hot independently. Being on a major can make you famous but it's a good chance it won't make you rich.
Underground is raw flow sick style far from the bling bling fake thug its a passion not jus a hobbies like the garbage ish u here its UN sign emcees that don't sell there soul for a deal
The underground is about following your heart. Not settling for crumbs and getting full meals. The underground is about making artistry your first priority then reaping the fruits of you labor later. Whether you call it Independent or Underground it is about being in the business of music not the music business. PEACE LUV and SOOOOOUUUULLL
I think this was summed up easily by this statement: underground has been replaced by independent. There can always be an underground sound, but I don't think we can say there's underground artists anymore because the internet can make anyone visible outside of your hometown. At least that's how I view it.
@dejavu1328 So what do you call J Cole? What do you call Tupac, Biggie, or better yet, Jadakiss? They're "so-called" mainstream but they rap about real shit, troubles, etc.
@dejavu1328 not really you can still rap about that shit and still be underground.....underground is pretty much independent artists who areant being controlled by major labels.....most kids think you have to have a certain sound and style to be considered "underground"....but isnt it the same with mainstream rappers? everyone in mainstream is trying to sound like drake....alot of underground rappers do the "mystical lord of the rings wizard raps" and how many syllables they can rhyme...whack!
@dejavu1328 too Be Honest Man I Started Rappin About Pussy and All That Shit But then I Found Out That I Didn't Feel the Heart of an MC I Didn't Feel Successful at all So I Moved to Underground and Looking at undeground make me think wow This Is Real Hip Hop I Should've Slapped myself when I was Younger and Now I Rap About Real Shit Deleted All Mainstream off my ipod and Put Underground and Real Shit one it. I Agree With your words Bro!
@DoubleAIV man deserves a dickride or two.. all his albums have substance, emotion, connection with the listener..
i would much rather pay 100 bucks to see tech give his fans 100%, then pay $20 to have Lil Wayne drag his sad ass on stage and mumble some crap about his money, tats, or shit i dont care about. and when Tech gets on a track with someone they have to step thier game up... shit wayne had to make the tech/andre track an interlude....boy couldnt keep up with them. Tech is the future.
@DoubleAIV Don't think its dickriding, so much as its a great example of how getting airplay on MTV, nominated for a VMA , or performing at the Grammy's isn't the only way to measure/achieve success in the rap game. Especially now a days with the internet and social networking sites. I remember Ice Cube said that he'd like to tell all upcoming artist that YOU are the record deal. YOU are your own brand. And Tech-9's success is a testament to that.
@JoeKnowsBo3416 I cannot agree more... I listen to a constant stream of underground artist from all genres... (Yes even country)... I must say Tech N9ne and his Strange Music crew have old school talent with a delivery that is unmatched in style.
Great debates...love em. Love you guys! Keep up the GREAT work. Been watching JumpOffTV for a minute, now i'm officially a fan. Hope you all continue to grow and reach more people.....dope show. Young, black(mostly), educated and entertaining....gotta love it!
This talk was one of the best they have done! Solid and sophisticated points and one of the few times that everyone actually agreed on the topic! Good shit
underground emcee aka broke rappers. they were all underground at some point. check out my girl iggy azalae out. i don't want her to be undergroung (broke lol). that pretty bitch has swag...
That is encouragement... Tech 9 really just took advantage of a open market with sum investors in a country where dont know if u wack or not they j oi s lik the culture of it
yea tech is dope,one of is albums i think killer or the one before that sold a million copies fucking independantly,that close to 20 million get got from that money,that's alot of fucking money
tech 9 goes hard as fuck, he has like 3 million different flows
lemonlimelukey 1 month ago
backpackers and hypebeasts killed underground hip hop
mynameisrits 2 months ago
IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE
5thDimensionTime 3 months ago
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IF you really want to know what Underground hip hop is than I suggest you take a look at my underground hip hop playlist
Sagefrakrobatik 3 months ago
i need dese niggas talkin bout me
RIPKILORECKBIGB 3 months ago
Underground is about not giving a fuck about getting radio play or a club hit uncompromising. Real hip hop heads can tell the difference with ease
L4Uhuru 3 months ago 2
Fuck young money cash money there all fucking weak.... Both Technizzies and kendrick lamar are fucking ill
fnk891 3 months ago
Some rappers, like tech n9ne, have gangs of people or literally gangs behind them to push their music, get it heard word of mouth because he's calling out their names or the name of the cliques.
JeseRocchild 3 months ago
lol its because Tech n9ne is better than everyone in mainstream. gotta lol at the butt hurt "people"
Cianoliza 3 months ago 2
@Cianoliza what define as mainstream ?
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In m opinion, I think because they're are so many artists out today , it constantly becomes difficult to define :'UNDERGROUND' artists( no disrespect) have been brainwashed to think LABELS… Underground means Free from restrictions from these demanding labels.. but just because you're mainstream doesn't mean you aren't an artists, so I guess it goes both ways...
GMAHIPPO101 3 months ago
Underground = not really known, thats it
Tech N9ne, he's not underground, he's only independent
TripyWay 3 months ago
underground is just what it is underground
SuperOteezy 3 months ago
When people say "what about Tupac, Biggie, etc. They were mainstream." It's true, they were. But that's when hip-hop was actually good and the mainstream wasn't all about money. They were amazing lyricists, plain and simple. And the way I see underground; talented rappers who are below the radar and haven't received the limelight yet. But the defining moment in their career is what they do once they reach that point. They can get caught in the mainstream, or be the artist they've always been.
yoitsMarLOnfOO 3 months ago
Underground Mc's = Rappers who can exactly spit
XHeavenlyNightStarX 3 months ago
@XHeavenlyNightStarX that is just not true
callofdutyaddict1000 3 months ago
Word, make music YOUR music not theirs
snipeNsmoke 3 months ago
"We have the tools... we have the Technology... we can rebuild him" 3:31
Skates2much 3 months ago
is immortal technique puerto rican...
Godsprimechoice 3 months ago
@Godsprimechoice nah he's peruvian
SinoCortez 3 months ago
I meant to say freedom of speech lol
still1995 3 months ago
Underground is freedom. No restrictions, freedom of sprech and creativity.
still1995 3 months ago
in my humble opinion, underground aint about the money youre making, its the music. theres an underground feel to songs.. sometimes grimey/dirty other times its positive/enlightening.. bottom line, if your music is authentic [or at least seems authentic] and real.. then you're underground.. youre writing what you wanna write, saying what you wanna say. labels dont give you that creative freedom - period.
and finally jump off talk about real artists like Immortal tech and tech9.. its about time!
IbrahimPrince 3 months ago
mcs gotta do it for themselves, use whatever mediums u can to speak to people... f*ck the majors!
savethecolumbians 3 months ago
Things have certainly changed since the '90s. Don't forget the net has had a hand in the state of the game as well.
ICEGOD2 3 months ago
Very cool segment.
ftown631 3 months ago
underground means your state of popularity it has nothing to do with skill level
Wgivens93 3 months ago
Underground just means they're not on big TV or radio normally.
andruandspanky 3 months ago
hiphop is too big to have undergroud. Internet has opened hiphop up. underground were artists that were not sold on radio but radio is not the only media to push music any more.
bmadikgetla 3 months ago
techn9ne?
wataki2 3 months ago
You guys should speak on ASAP ROCKY, 3 million $ deal, will he live up to the hype? is he bringing NY back, souther influence etc.
dayoungchief 3 months ago
TECH N9NE DESERVES A DICKRIDE OR TWO WTF
jayou540 3 months ago
Funny thing about it is, not to many of the guy's on the surface are "MC's" they're just rappers. Remember anyone can be a rapper,any one with a third of a brain can be a rapper but, it takes great skill, lyrical dexterity, flow versatility, a sharp delivery, a high vernacular and, a in depth vocab to be an MCEE. Immense fatal lyrical skills is whats missing from the suface nowadays. It's just a bunch of cotton candy bubble gum cookie dough rappers. No Hip-Hop and no MC's. Just rap and rappers.
BoyBlaze2002 3 months ago
Curren$y would have to fit in this group. Dude continues to remain underground and makes a lot of money touring while signing people he feels continue to get slept on. (Smoke DZA, Sir Michael Rocks of the Cool Kids, Fiend and members of his group). I'm not sure what Evidence, Fashawn and Kendrick Lamar's deals are like but I hope he reaches out to them.
Fcobra04 3 months ago
@Fcobra04 kedrick lamar is one of those rare dudes that is underground that everyone knows about because the biggest stars like drake dr dre and every one co sign him
dmdpro5 3 months ago
How are Tech N9ne and Immortal Technique making more than Mainstream artists? They aint selling millions
DJBlack909 3 months ago
@DJBlack909
How many people got thier hands in "mainstream" artists pockets though? when you are an indie artists with your own label more of the money goes to you..not that guy in a suit who doesnt care about music.
mainstream artists can make as little as $1 on a record sale (think vanilla Ice lol) where Indie can bring 8 to 9 dollars
no matter how you slice it with record sales and number of fans indie makes more if they got a crowd of fans
look at ICP ( i know, i know)
Boston2k4 3 months ago
@DJBlack909 easy when the checks come in they dont have to split there money with the label bosses producers all the people that work for the label tech n9ne makes ALL his money back meanwhile someone like drake has to split his money with lil wayne and birdman .. thats why people like jay-z has been so successful and rich because he has never been under anybody he the only styricly rapper at the top of forbes the next people in line are non rappers more of label owners birdman diddy etc
dmdpro5 3 months ago
@dmdpro5 360 Deal, huh? Explain
DJBlack909 3 months ago
@DJBlack909 A 360 deal is when the label gets a cut of everything you do besides selling records. Touring, merchandise, endorsements, they get a cut of all that shit. In the past the label only got their money from record sales and everything else you got to keep all of it. 360 deals are the normal deal in the record industry now. If you really want to do this music shit, you need to read up about the business side of the industry.
Debonair73 3 months ago
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@DJBlack909 " How are Tech N9ne and Immortal Technique making more than Mainstream artists? They aint selling millions"
all artist make more off touring than album sales. so yes, touring the world and having that large fan base means they make more that alot of mainstream dudes who sell 500,000 copies but cant even sell out a stage.
dsjj251 3 months ago
vale u you so much better without all that makeup
atbjko 3 months ago
YEA BOI TECHANINA TECHANINA
blondeserb 3 months ago
mf doom is the king of the underground
tnetz1 3 months ago
i hate those silly edits after every half sentence
R0NJ0N 3 months ago
I fully agree with you guys on this I'm a Indy Artist and yeah it's hard and I have to push my music hard. But I feel good about what I do and how I do it, I feel successful now I don't have the big money but I'm doing it my way.
FDDavis2 3 months ago
Being indy hard to get known. U got to go hard
twaindee611 3 months ago
Nothing is worst than being famous and broke. A lot of the rappers people think are not broke are in debt up to their necks. The thing about being independent is everything you achieve is a win. If you sell 50,000 copies that's a big win. If you do that on a major, your ass is getting dropped. When LowKey said it was a risk, It's only a risk to people that can't get hot independently. Being on a major can make you famous but it's a good chance it won't make you rich.
Debonair73 3 months ago
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Debonair73 3 months ago
Is Tech N9ne really an independent rapper when he's writing songs about hennessy and sprite?
fatherinfinite 3 months ago
Underground is raw flow sick style far from the bling bling fake thug its a passion not jus a hobbies like the garbage ish u here its UN sign emcees that don't sell there soul for a deal
vsunshyne 3 months ago
The underground is about following your heart. Not settling for crumbs and getting full meals. The underground is about making artistry your first priority then reaping the fruits of you labor later. Whether you call it Independent or Underground it is about being in the business of music not the music business. PEACE LUV and SOOOOOUUUULLL
justiceforallandall 3 months ago
I think this was summed up easily by this statement: underground has been replaced by independent. There can always be an underground sound, but I don't think we can say there's underground artists anymore because the internet can make anyone visible outside of your hometown. At least that's how I view it.
BlipMasta5 3 months ago
if they're on mainstream media they're mainstream, it doesn't matter about how much money they make
siwooot 3 months ago
underground means not talkin bout pussy and money there.. underground speaks about troubles compare the lyricism of mainstream and underground
dejavu1328 3 months ago 17
That ain't true buddy. I could list you loads of underground rappers who like to talk money, pussy and guns.
nameless12345 3 months ago 3
@dejavu1328 bullshit you can talk about drugs and pussy all day and be underground
slick1hit 3 months ago 2
@dejavu1328 So what do you call J Cole? What do you call Tupac, Biggie, or better yet, Jadakiss? They're "so-called" mainstream but they rap about real shit, troubles, etc.
Skates2much 3 months ago
@dejavu1328 not really you can still rap about that shit and still be underground.....underground is pretty much independent artists who areant being controlled by major labels.....most kids think you have to have a certain sound and style to be considered "underground"....but isnt it the same with mainstream rappers? everyone in mainstream is trying to sound like drake....alot of underground rappers do the "mystical lord of the rings wizard raps" and how many syllables they can rhyme...whack!
lyricalstyles 3 months ago
@dejavu1328 ehhhh kinda... not really.... eminem isn't underground
streetninja510 3 months ago
Respond to this video... i think if its truly underground.... you can't really have "made it" at least not all the way
streetninja510 3 months ago
@dejavu1328 Or bragging about your arrest history. Underground hip hop is about creativity.
Sagefrakrobatik 3 months ago
@dejavu1328 too Be Honest Man I Started Rappin About Pussy and All That Shit But then I Found Out That I Didn't Feel the Heart of an MC I Didn't Feel Successful at all So I Moved to Underground and Looking at undeground make me think wow This Is Real Hip Hop I Should've Slapped myself when I was Younger and Now I Rap About Real Shit Deleted All Mainstream off my ipod and Put Underground and Real Shit one it. I Agree With your words Bro!
TruMaster94 3 months ago
recently became a Tech N9ne fan, and i LOVE his music. TRUE HIP HOP
bigboy789inches 3 months ago
They dickriding tech n9ne pretty hard today
DoubleAIV 3 months ago 21
@DoubleAIV Tech n9ne deserves it. One of the best rappers around
nameless12345 3 months ago 2
@DoubleAIV man deserves a dickride or two.. all his albums have substance, emotion, connection with the listener..
i would much rather pay 100 bucks to see tech give his fans 100%, then pay $20 to have Lil Wayne drag his sad ass on stage and mumble some crap about his money, tats, or shit i dont care about. and when Tech gets on a track with someone they have to step thier game up... shit wayne had to make the tech/andre track an interlude....boy couldnt keep up with them. Tech is the future.
Boston2k4 3 months ago
@DoubleAIV dickridin? they jus tellin the truth. all respect to TECHN9NE
bernard424 3 months ago 3
@DoubleAIV i clicked on this niggas name and hes all over 50 and loyds dick
snipeNsmoke 3 months ago
@DoubleAIV Don't think its dickriding, so much as its a great example of how getting airplay on MTV, nominated for a VMA , or performing at the Grammy's isn't the only way to measure/achieve success in the rap game. Especially now a days with the internet and social networking sites. I remember Ice Cube said that he'd like to tell all upcoming artist that YOU are the record deal. YOU are your own brand. And Tech-9's success is a testament to that.
banx757 2 months ago
Even though you just talked about it in this Vid...You guys should do another debate about the Pro & Cons of Independent/Major Labels
4thletta 3 months ago
Tech N9ne is the most talented rapper in the game
JoeKnowsBo3416 3 months ago
@JoeKnowsBo3416 I cannot agree more... I listen to a constant stream of underground artist from all genres... (Yes even country)... I must say Tech N9ne and his Strange Music crew have old school talent with a delivery that is unmatched in style.
stunnaonflyrims 3 months ago
<~~~~~ UNDERGROUND MC
TruStory859 3 months ago
Great debates...love em. Love you guys! Keep up the GREAT work. Been watching JumpOffTV for a minute, now i'm officially a fan. Hope you all continue to grow and reach more people.....dope show. Young, black(mostly), educated and entertaining....gotta love it!
wealthy1reg 3 months ago
One of the few debates I loved from beginning to end.
JustHateMe12 3 months ago
This talk was one of the best they have done! Solid and sophisticated points and one of the few times that everyone actually agreed on the topic! Good shit
nate0824 3 months ago
underground emcee aka broke rappers. they were all underground at some point. check out my girl iggy azalae out. i don't want her to be undergroung (broke lol). that pretty bitch has swag...
BigOldMrKnish 3 months ago
FUCKS WIT IT...PRECIATE THE KNOWLEDGE YALL
AMGBounded2k11 3 months ago
@ trav11193 stop sucking dick
rumtv21 3 months ago
big dude always speaks the truth
johnkeem103 3 months ago
Damn until I saw this, I didn't know Tech N9ne had it like that.
InfamousProduction1 3 months ago
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KATENDE911 3 months ago
That is encouragement... Tech 9 really just took advantage of a open market with sum investors in a country where dont know if u wack or not they j oi s lik the culture of it
anubis2787 3 months ago 2
And I mean as a collective like mechantdise,touring,album sale,etc
slick1hit 3 months ago
i mean that's close to 20 million dollars tech got from that album lol
slick1hit 3 months ago
Immortal Technique is DA BEST
Antwnhs92 3 months ago
yea tech is dope,one of is albums i think killer or the one before that sold a million copies fucking independantly,that close to 20 million get got from that money,that's alot of fucking money
slick1hit 3 months ago
theres no such thing as a mainstream rapper these days.just pop artists like weezy.
R1CHARD909 3 months ago
Immortal technique is da best....he is the definition of underground
trav11193 3 months ago
basically Back Pack Rappers = underground
eastpak2g6 3 months ago
Yeah tech nine is a definition of an underground artist...Still don't like his music or him as a rapper...at all. But he the definition.
LONDON1KaZR 3 months ago
why always that big guy sweat in everyvideo
FliBoiTV1 3 months ago
"Underground MC" Means: TECH N9NE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
killahking8 3 months ago
4th
OneTheOnlyOne 3 months ago
Tech nine
zgahvi 3 months ago
I love tech n9ne
zgahvi 3 months ago
1ST
Th3youngPrinc3 3 months ago