Damn wobbling swords. It is meant to be a jian, used for slashing and stabbing. Not bitch-slapping! The original jian were hard and stiff, and quite thick in the middle. The cool looking wobbling jian lose a lot of force, and make it very hard to actually stab with. And slashing would be difficult if the weapon actually bends... like trying to cut beef with a filleting knife!
@musicalcarpentry Wobbling swords? You are such an idiot and know nothing about jian. Wudang is well known for overcoming harshness with flexibility. This type of flexible jian is feared by many being able to kill at a deflected angle. It is a lethal weapon and definitely not your type of filleting knife.
@kentmusa uhh, maybe they were more flexible than other weapons so but jian were never THAT flexible ever and while i havnt handled them much myself i have it on good authority from ppl who have., thats too bendy fora sword...
@elgostine If you study the video at 6.31, the master pointed out that the art of Wudang is to avoid the hardness and attack the weakness (避实就虚). The master also pointed out that it look soft but like a needle in the soft cotton (绵里藏针). During the demonstration, it is the same type of sword that is defending against the hard stick. The soft Wudang jian is specialized in attacking the blood arteries of the neck, arms, legs and many vital part of the body.
well i dont know a word of chinese, so ill take your word for it,
clearly its more meant fo quick little cuts then actively tryig to thrust at the chest etc
and i could see how such a thin foible (part near the tip) would be useful for ficking cuts to arteries. but precious little else, when thrusting at someone, you going to have a hard time keeping the sword stright on target, being so whippy.
The sword that you often see in competition and videos are "practice swords" or "performance swords". They are not the real weapons. The real ones are a lot less flexible but still not very deadly. Jian is a "fencing weapon". Its primarily purpose is to provide some form of self defence and dueling, serving similar social functions to the rapier.
@83wisefool you kidding? the jian is a vicious little thing, and the rapier is a nasty weapon too, both designed to be a weapon for back alley , unarmoured fighting
the jian is more than capable of chopping limbs the rapier a viciously fast thruster, and even small thrusts can pierce vital organs, and thus become very difficult to heal.
@elgostine When I say the Jian and the rapier being not very deadly, I'm comparing them to their contemporary cold weapons used on the battle field. The fact that you mention that they are designed for unarmoured fighting is already a testimony to their relative lack of lethality when compared to other contemporary weapons. These weapons will cause injuries, but it will take a lot of training and determination to kill an armed opponent with them.
@83wisefool the rapier is, the jian was used on the battlefield,, not all that often but it was since it was replaced by the dao mostly, since it worked better for cavalry.
the jians european counterpart is the late medieval cut and thrust sword.
dont let this sword he has, fool you, the proper, more rigid jian are every bit as nasty as european arming swords. and were designed to perforn the same purpose,
and dao ar even worse against armour, you cant slice metal plates
@elgostine Nopez. The Jian was no longer used in the battlefield since the Tang Dynasty. Even when they were used on the battlefield, the Jian then was very different from the common jian that we see today. The Tang Jian looked similar to a katana while those before that were a lot heavier and bigger.
You are right in that Dao is a cavalry weapon and is often a secondary one, the primary weapon is the spear. Infantry as far as we know are commonly equipped with spear and not Jian.
@83wisefool and the rapier excelled at perforating people which can be sometimes worse than being cut up,
and you can easily pierce someone in the face, throat, heart, or other vitals.
to speak of it as being less useful on the battlefield is pointless since it was never meant to be used in that context, it was meant to suit the tight and crowded streets of the italian city states
@elgostine My friends and I duplicated weapons for sparring purposes. So we made rapiers and Jian with similar weight and shape of those specified in the books and pad them up with foam. So when we sparred with rapier and jian, we found that its actually rather difficult to effectively execute a thrust to the face. Hands and legs are easier target and if its to the face, a slash after a parry is more likely to hit than a thrust.
Anyway, when we do manage to thrust, we were often not close enough to extensive damage because we were guarding against a double kill. My friend is a fencing champion and my other friends and I had also spent some time practicing various martial arts, so we don't think its because we can't use the weapons effectively. We are also unable to find history materials that indicate that a lot of people died as a result of these weapons.
@elgostine Look, I will be happy to for you to prove me otherwise, if you have manuals that you can share, we are happy to practice it and see if it work in a combat situation, or better still, if you are in Singapore, we are happy for you to join us and show us. But as far as our experience show, rapier and jian perform similarly well, but they don't stand much chance against a spear or a two-handed weapon.
@elgostine Also, when I say serving similar social function, it is not to say that they were carried to show their social status. I was referring to dueling and self-defence. In the old days, dueling is a tool for "gentlemen" to sort out their differences. Jian and rapier are almost the standard weapon of choice in such duels.
@elgostine You may not confused the Wudang soft jian with the hard jian of other school of Chinese ma.rtial art like Shaolin. Some of the soft jian is so flexible that you can bend it around your waist.
ich versteh zwar nicht was der mann das sagt aber ich bin mir sicher es ist sehr richtig ich versuch mal pi bi zu tan jian wu yao se su bi ching si fu qing tai hao ghji fa ren su miao liang schan tai te hai chun tao hai
Master Chens school is great, i wasn t not at his school but i saw many of his skills every body loves his qing gong and the power of his internal and longvity skills.
Amazing form!
Crackabu 2 weeks ago
yo quiero !!
jiclxibad 3 weeks ago
very nice.. thank you so much for sharing..
inUR2teeth 3 weeks ago
Beautiful and superb.
zenbear008 3 weeks ago
his best form =)
WarriorOnTheHill 1 month ago
lol the only bilingual thing here is his movements
my4thone 2 months ago
homo lauri
Perkulezon 2 months ago
Did u c that sword almost hit his face after they show the pic
TasteLikeSushiii 2 months ago
Be water my friend...
thelaughingyeti 3 months ago
Awesome stuff. I gotta practice more, lol.
strollbaby 3 months ago
Wudangshan TV? Must-have!
AndyRaslan 3 months ago
Damn wobbling swords. It is meant to be a jian, used for slashing and stabbing. Not bitch-slapping! The original jian were hard and stiff, and quite thick in the middle. The cool looking wobbling jian lose a lot of force, and make it very hard to actually stab with. And slashing would be difficult if the weapon actually bends... like trying to cut beef with a filleting knife!
musicalcarpentry 5 months ago
@musicalcarpentry man,these kind of swords are for training lol.they are 3 type of this swords.you didnt know that lol ???
master92737 4 months ago
@musicalcarpentry you're weird
Watchessailormoon 4 months ago
@musicalcarpentry Wobbling swords? You are such an idiot and know nothing about jian. Wudang is well known for overcoming harshness with flexibility. This type of flexible jian is feared by many being able to kill at a deflected angle. It is a lethal weapon and definitely not your type of filleting knife.
kentmusa 3 months ago
@kentmusa uhh, maybe they were more flexible than other weapons so but jian were never THAT flexible ever and while i havnt handled them much myself i have it on good authority from ppl who have., thats too bendy fora sword...
elgostine 1 month ago
@elgostine If you study the video at 6.31, the master pointed out that the art of Wudang is to avoid the hardness and attack the weakness (避实就虚). The master also pointed out that it look soft but like a needle in the soft cotton (绵里藏针). During the demonstration, it is the same type of sword that is defending against the hard stick. The soft Wudang jian is specialized in attacking the blood arteries of the neck, arms, legs and many vital part of the body.
kentmusa 3 weeks ago
@kentmusa
well i dont know a word of chinese, so ill take your word for it,
clearly its more meant fo quick little cuts then actively tryig to thrust at the chest etc
and i could see how such a thin foible (part near the tip) would be useful for ficking cuts to arteries. but precious little else, when thrusting at someone, you going to have a hard time keeping the sword stright on target, being so whippy.
elgostine 3 weeks ago
@elgostine
The sword that you often see in competition and videos are "practice swords" or "performance swords". They are not the real weapons. The real ones are a lot less flexible but still not very deadly. Jian is a "fencing weapon". Its primarily purpose is to provide some form of self defence and dueling, serving similar social functions to the rapier.
83wisefool 4 days ago
@83wisefool you kidding? the jian is a vicious little thing, and the rapier is a nasty weapon too, both designed to be a weapon for back alley , unarmoured fighting
the jian is more than capable of chopping limbs the rapier a viciously fast thruster, and even small thrusts can pierce vital organs, and thus become very difficult to heal.
the smallsword was really the social item
elgostine 4 days ago
@elgostine When I say the Jian and the rapier being not very deadly, I'm comparing them to their contemporary cold weapons used on the battle field. The fact that you mention that they are designed for unarmoured fighting is already a testimony to their relative lack of lethality when compared to other contemporary weapons. These weapons will cause injuries, but it will take a lot of training and determination to kill an armed opponent with them.
83wisefool 3 days ago
@83wisefool the rapier is, the jian was used on the battlefield,, not all that often but it was since it was replaced by the dao mostly, since it worked better for cavalry.
the jians european counterpart is the late medieval cut and thrust sword.
dont let this sword he has, fool you, the proper, more rigid jian are every bit as nasty as european arming swords. and were designed to perforn the same purpose,
and dao ar even worse against armour, you cant slice metal plates
elgostine 2 days ago
@elgostine Nopez. The Jian was no longer used in the battlefield since the Tang Dynasty. Even when they were used on the battlefield, the Jian then was very different from the common jian that we see today. The Tang Jian looked similar to a katana while those before that were a lot heavier and bigger.
You are right in that Dao is a cavalry weapon and is often a secondary one, the primary weapon is the spear. Infantry as far as we know are commonly equipped with spear and not Jian.
83wisefool 2 days ago
@83wisefool and the rapier excelled at perforating people which can be sometimes worse than being cut up,
and you can easily pierce someone in the face, throat, heart, or other vitals.
to speak of it as being less useful on the battlefield is pointless since it was never meant to be used in that context, it was meant to suit the tight and crowded streets of the italian city states
elgostine 2 days ago
@elgostine My friends and I duplicated weapons for sparring purposes. So we made rapiers and Jian with similar weight and shape of those specified in the books and pad them up with foam. So when we sparred with rapier and jian, we found that its actually rather difficult to effectively execute a thrust to the face. Hands and legs are easier target and if its to the face, a slash after a parry is more likely to hit than a thrust.
83wisefool 2 days ago
@elgostine This 500 characters limit is crap!
Anyway, when we do manage to thrust, we were often not close enough to extensive damage because we were guarding against a double kill. My friend is a fencing champion and my other friends and I had also spent some time practicing various martial arts, so we don't think its because we can't use the weapons effectively. We are also unable to find history materials that indicate that a lot of people died as a result of these weapons.
83wisefool 2 days ago
@elgostine Look, I will be happy to for you to prove me otherwise, if you have manuals that you can share, we are happy to practice it and see if it work in a combat situation, or better still, if you are in Singapore, we are happy for you to join us and show us. But as far as our experience show, rapier and jian perform similarly well, but they don't stand much chance against a spear or a two-handed weapon.
83wisefool 2 days ago
@elgostine Also, when I say serving similar social function, it is not to say that they were carried to show their social status. I was referring to dueling and self-defence. In the old days, dueling is a tool for "gentlemen" to sort out their differences. Jian and rapier are almost the standard weapon of choice in such duels.
83wisefool 3 days ago
@elgostine You may not confused the Wudang soft jian with the hard jian of other school of Chinese ma.rtial art like Shaolin. Some of the soft jian is so flexible that you can bend it around your waist.
kentmusa 3 weeks ago
ich versteh zwar nicht was der mann das sagt aber ich bin mir sicher es ist sehr richtig ich versuch mal pi bi zu tan jian wu yao se su bi ching si fu qing tai hao ghji fa ren su miao liang schan tai te hai chun tao hai
alekx58 5 months ago
ich kriege es hier immer wieder mit der kompletten angst zu tun wie dann wohl erst ein richtiger general von der soorte ist
alekx58 5 months ago
Remember I was here.Thai 8:06AM 9/5/2011
universetechnique 5 months ago
入云龙公孙胜乱入= =
zuogehaoren 5 months ago
Hao de! Chen Shixing. Zhe Wudang shifu bing!
Dragon34th 6 months ago
move like flowing water
exploreryen 6 months ago 6
@exploreryen Indeed :)
GuitarDestroyer77777 4 months ago
I think I would cut myself into pieces,if I d try this.....
desastermaster2010 6 months ago
喜欢他的,形,身,意的理解
jackleshao 7 months ago
performance is very good XD
janko008975 7 months ago
讚嘆師行道長的功夫與修道 真是一代明師 如果有機緣 希望也能來台灣傳授武當功夫
peter073927353 7 months ago 8
@peter073927353 台灣人想學中國人的功夫? 太過扯了吧。
KiraYamato636 1 month ago
@KiraYamato636 连老外都来中国学功夫了,你又怎么说?
shaunnie87 1 month ago
@shaunnie87 那就是喔, 要學就來武當山
KiraYamato636 1 month ago
These videos are really nice.
neijiaxuesheng 10 months ago
Master Chens school is great, i wasn t not at his school but i saw many of his skills every body loves his qing gong and the power of his internal and longvity skills.
Best wishes to your school
Turoklex90 1 year ago
This is quite strange, a few days ago, I had a dream of fighting someone using those techniques... but his face is a blur in my mind.
3rdeye7thdimension 1 year ago
@3rdeye7thdimension It was me >:-(
strangenessEPR 6 months ago
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@strangenessEPR THEN WE MUST FIGHT!!
3rdeye7thdimension 6 months ago
A real gem. Very informative. Thank you.
YouFirstEye 1 year ago
WONDERFUL ! Thx 4 posting
Dragonkarma 1 year ago
An Extraordinarily Beautiful Form ; and , a Breath-Taking performance ! Thank you for sharing this .
sjander29 1 year ago