Alonso has bought a lot of spanish fans to formula one, but i worry that many of them are 'fair weather fans' and will lose interest in the sport when Alonso leaves. De la rosa toiled for years with very little recognition from his home fans and Jaime jaime alguersuari is ignored too. Its a shame too that the two spanish grand prixs are on such boring race tracks
mira, soy español, seguidor de alonso y fan de kubica, todos no somos asi, yo no me alegre de que hamilton estuviera a punto de perder el mundial, yo estaba pendiente de las posiciones de kubica y fernando. hamilton me parece un buen piloto pero que no sabe cuando arriesgar y cuando no, espero que con los años valla a mejor. saludos
its a shame hamilton won his championship NOT by skill but with luck. It was also great how EVERYOTHER DRIVER wanted massa to win the champion ship NOT hamilton. Ovbs cause he is a moaning unskilled thingg. I even live in the UK and hate him :L
I can't believe people defend Alonso! He cheated and he kept the win, knowing it was a fixed race. He showed terrible sportsmanship. He STOLE Nico's first win. He STOLE Massa's World Driver's Championship (he lost by 1 point and went from 1st to last in this race because of Fernando & friends), he and his buddies risked the lives of other drivers and Piquet to get a win for Alonso. That was ridiculous. Even Massa calls him a lying cheat and they are now teammates!
@BourbonAnakin it was a pit stop error that cost massa not the piquet crash even though alonso was very unsportsman like when he commented on the race
@BourbonAnakin You son of a bitch, Alonso didn't know what Piquet and Briatore were doing he just took advantage of what had happened through the race and that was legal. What was really ridiculous was Hamilton's podium in Valencia. He overtook the SC and was not penalised until 20 laps later, RIDICULOUS DON'T YOU THINK
@TaKeRInHeLL96 yeah right - he didn't know - he just happened to be on the most unbelievable strategy ever known to F1. The whole thing was planned and Alonso was a part of it. He was a part of the 2007 scandal involving Ferrari when he was with Macca too. And now he is a part of the team orders violation in Ferrari. His character is the one in question - are you sure I am the son of a bitch?
@TaKeRInHeLL96 And I am no Hamilton fan either. The dude lied to the stewards, then the stewards cheated for him in Valencia with the 20 lap no penalty - penalty. Yes it was ridiculous. His team and him also cheated in Canada with the no fuel run to pole which got him a win. But Hamilton also being despicable doesn't help Alonso...
@BourbonAnakin He didn't lie to the stewards...he said trulli went off the track under the safety car (Australia 2009), which he did, before which he handed over the position...
Im from spain and fortunately not all F1 "fans" are like this, but sadly there are a lot of tugs like the ones in this video who make the rest of us look like retards. Quite sad.
el mundial le toco en una tombola a ham, cuando sea bicampeon llamarme. cuando retire a un campeon tambien.Fernando alonso tiene algo que ham jamas tendra:la mejor aficion que le apoya y no le critica cuando va el 12º, es una pena....
Kimi all washed up! Alonso a bitter little Spanish poison dwarf along with his rascist fans. Massa will never get over the grief of losing championship.
All Ferrari fanboys suck donkey balls. That about covers all the Lewis haters.
that just about covers lewis hamilton fans hu suck his dick everyday and hate every other driver. fernando is alot better than hamilton and sos kimi, massa and hamilton are on a par
Hamilton won! It will say it in the history books for all time. So no amount of crying from the Hamilton haters is gonna change it. Get over it. He won. Alonso didnt! I quite liked Alonso until the Mclaren debacle and then all his fanatical Spanish fans and media tried all the dirty tricks against Lewis! Fuck em!
@kkcrumbles I've been watching F1 for twice the time that you've been alive, and its apparent to me that you think that you know something about F1 as you've played it on the PS3. Shut up. Or I'll tell your mummy to give you smack.
na lewis is not as good as people think. the best pound for pound drivers in F1 are Alonso and raikkonen. hamilton honestly got lucky to be put in a fast car straight away. youve just jumped on the lewis bandwagon like most people while he is winning. if he stops winning you would say hes crap
Hamilton's a prick, undeserving champ and btw i am british and proud but he is a disgrace to motorsport and britain. i ewould love to see jenson or david take the championship because they are deserving winners..
pietro it's strange, the queen awarded him an MBE. WTF? This honors should be given to certain people (war survivors, fighters or even in people with a big career in motorsport). Why the fuck hamilton deserved one? For what?!
Because he came from a poor background to take the biggest prize in motorsport, and he is a British winner. And it gave me great pleasure watching all the haters cry when he won! So thats a big F U to all the Alonso/Kimi/Massa fanboys!
Actually if you see Glock's final lap, it was a miracle that he even managed to finish. It was like driving on the ice. Fucking toyota noobs, should you go back to WRC and leave F1. Dumb people..
true hamilton did not deserve it. massa lost 30 points due to ferraris crap reliability he would have won it easy. massa will win a championship one day. he was just unlucky this year. hamilton was lucky. hamilton engine and gearbox 0 failures heikki at least 5 or 6 failures. bit like michael schumacher and barrichello at ferrari u might say
oh 4 points big whoop. lewis still should have lost the title. hes nowhere near as good as raikkonen or alonso ( the two top class drivers in f1). this season will firmly put him back in place and hell stop being cocky. 16th and 18th in practice lol
Hamilton is a super fit athlete. You are probably a fat internet warrior. I suggest Hamilton would probably wipe the floor with you. So do be quiet, there's a good lad. i remember when i couldnt take my drink! lol
"... There are millions of people who would race to the last drop of blood if they were so lucky and got into F1. Playing it safe is for little girls, NOT true racers!"
TRUE RACERS remember Spa, Hamilton got on with it, Massa tiptoed came second and was gifted the win, Justice my friend!!!!
And to believe that Timo Glock, who WON the GP2 series in 2007, would lap MORE than 30 seconds worse than in the dry (on such a "short circuit" - if it was Spa, I wouldn't be surprised) is just STUPID. As the ITV commentators Martin Brundle (ex-F1 driver) and James Allen said Timo could have crawled around and Lewis wouldn't catch him. If you think you're smarter than Brundle (concerning F1), you're pathetic...
Punto 3: Fernando Alonso me parece un piloto tan bueno como bocazas. No me importa lo que digan que es la imagen que da, pero de puertas para adentro es un cachondo, porque es lo que yo veo y lo que él quiere que yo vea. Dicho esto, nadie dió mas saltos que yo en España el día que cruzó la meta primero en Hungaroring en 2003.
Punto 1: Sigo la F1 desde antes que alonso ganara nada. Es más, desde antes que se subiera en un triciclo. No me jode por supuesto que se haya expandido este gran deporte en España. Me jode que el que no piense como dictan los "entendidos" (T5, SER, etc) sea marginado y vilipendiado.
Punto 2: Soy fan de McLaren. No de Hamilton (Ni anteriormente de Mika, Fernando, Alain, Ayrton, David, etc) sino de McLaren como conjunto, como equipo.
jajajajajaja tio...tu simplemente no tienes ni puta idea, ahora q estar con los ingleses en F-1 siempre será un valor seguro...apuesto a a q ni siquiera has salido de España a ver la F-1. q digo igual no has ido ni a montmeló...por no hablar de q no tienes ni puta idea de lo dificil(casi milagroso) q es q alonso esté en la F-1 por q en tu vida has estado ligado al mundo del automovilismo...tu es q eres un entendido jajaja
de ahí solo te confirmo a 3: alonsistas, serrano y GrandPrix. Mutua Madrileña solo es una empresa, no es nada más. (por cierto, he leido que tu eres de los mios, de los que conocian "el deporte más aburrido del mundo que por haber un español ganando se ha echo famoso en españa" desde antes de Fernando (1999 para ser exactos) y estoy de acuerdo en todo lo que has escrito contestando a mireon o algo asi
Dependiendo como empieze el año. Si empieza mal, los veremos apagaditos, pero si va bien el R29, a cagarse en todo y a aguantar a los falsos amantes de la F1.
While one can understand the Spanish contingent being bitter towards Hamilton for humiliating Alonso and showing him up to be the Dirty, cheating bad losing chap that he is, they really should be more sporting. CHILL OUT BOYS AND SIMPLY ADMIRE THE GENIUS OF HAMILTON!
Also, I drove a FWD road car with the front right tyre flat at 130 kph/80 mph on ice/snow for about 12 miles. As I say, ALL you have to do is be GENTLE with the steering and the throttle and the brakes. You can still go REALLY fast. I just don't believe Timo did his best, sorry... Telemetry data would PROVE if he is guilty of handing the championship over to Lewis or not. Telemetry would show if he was on the edge (as an F1 driver is paid to drive) or cruising at a comfortable speed.
I ve been watching F1 since the day of senna. Lewis is a breath of fresh air. If you understand formula 1, then you know how good hamilton is. The way he outbreaks and pass his opponent,and his style of driving on wet amazes me. No disrespect to jakubkrcma he is talking from his ass.
And don't think I disrespect Hamilton. He tries very hard etc., but I just think he's not the best (not even nearly the best) and does not deserve all the success that is virtually coming his way... If he was e.g. 5th in the championship (last year and this year), I would say: Yeah, he's pretty good for a rookie... But this is just blatant injustice and an insult to all the guys who started in Minardi, Sauber etc. and had to work their way up... Even Senna was rejected by Williams at first!
people that says he doesn't deserve to be in mclaren are just haters this guy deserves it and he proved it last year by leading most of the championship in his first year of formula 1 and beating a 2 time world champion who beat a 7 time world champion in a SAME CAR ..ron dennis knew his talent and nourished it he made a smart move and he's champion this year so i don't nobody else who deserves it better and mark my word he is set to dominate the sport in the coming years to come
You need to understand (and simulations that produce acurate results confirm that) that even in MONSOON conditions, modern grooved tyres provide sufficient traction/adhesion for ~80 % of dry weather AVERAGE SPEED. Of course that acceleration and braking is substantially worse, but cornering is quite OK. And there are a lot of slow corners in Brazil. Glock lost most right there, where his situation could not have been much worse than with intermediates. And the conditions were NOT that bad.
Timo Glock was faster than his team mate Trulli on the last lap - the only driver still on dry tyres. So to say that Glock handed the title down to Lewis is stupid.
So maybe Trulli also slowed down on purpose to cover that. I would have to see the telemetry to be able to tell. But the lap times changed TOO fast...
No, actually there is one other possibility why both Toyotas went SO slow in the last lap. Maybe they wanted to "make sure" they make it to the finish line so they slowed down SO much regardless to Hamilton's position. Anyway, they obviously WEREN'T racing in my opinion... And to get to F1 and not race is abominable in my opinion... There are millions of people who would race to the last drop of blood if they were so lucky and got into F1. Playing it safe is for little girls, NOT true racers!
OK, we have a difference of opinion on the topic of letting teammates pass vs letting other people pass. I personally think that it would be best if there was just a single guy in a team (= no teamplay ever) and twice as many teams. That's what cost McLaren the drivers title last year with a nearly unbeatable car... If both drivers didn't steal points from each other, one of them would be a CLEAR champion long before the last race... But I honestly think they pushed Hamilton for nationality...
Gilles Villeneuve never won a championship and everybody, who understands Formula One, knows that he is one of the VERY best drivers ever. This actually makes a clear distinction between stupid people, who just read the stats, and people, who analyse the ACTUAL qualities of the drivers. E.g. Michael has nearly ALL the best stats, but he's only second in the wet (to A.S.) and among top ten in the dry, i.e. not the best driver ever...
And letting a teammate go in a situation, where you already cannot win the championship is common practice (because you profit from the team's profit and you're a team member). It is COMPLETELY different from letting a guy from another team go (if that happened - I would have to see the telemetry, as I already said). From what we all can see in the various videos, it looks as though Glock slowed down WAY too much for it to be justified by the conditions.
Its the SAME thing man, you just cant see it. Raikkonen may have more reasons to do it, but letting a teammate took over his position is just as lame as what you "claim" glock did. He is giving points to another guy for doing nothing.
have you driven a f1 car in the wet with dry tyres ???? i don't think so, you say you know f1 and you complain about glock haven't you watched spa race didn't you see lewis and kimi dancing on circuit cuz they had the wrong tyres even kimi crashed because of that ...there was no luck in there if glock changed tyres hamilton wouldve been champion anyway , he didn;'t change his tyres and what happen ?? his last lap was in the 1. 44s while hamilton and vettel were doing 1.20s so do the math ..
Many people in history were as successful as Lewis in lower formulae, but nearly none of them landed a drive in the BEST car the first time around. Of course I know about Lewis' success before F1 (including that last-to-second battle). The thing is that he drives and behaves in a way not worthy a champion (e.g. Monza 2008). And I honestly believe that dry tyres compared to INTERMEDIATES can never cause SUCH slowing down in just one minute over an already wet and slow lap.
Timo had the 2nd best lap of the race (1:14.057, Felipe 1:13.736)! If you think it is possible that the conditions get worse in ONE lap so much that you get from ~14 seconds worse than your best lap to over 30 seconds worse, believe that. But I believe, he SLOWED DOWN ON PURPOSE. E.g. the average speed of his last lap was ~148 kph/92 mph. His penultimate lap ~175 kph/109 mph. His best lap 209.465 kph/130 mph. If you follow F1, you know that ~148 kph is Monaco territory, ridiculously slow!
And have I driven an F1 car in the wet with dry tyres? No, of course. But I've driven racing karts in the wet on slicks and the difference was not NEARLY as huge as Timo's 1:14.057 - 1:44. 1:35, sure, but 1:44???? NO WAY. And karts have no downforce to help them fight aquaplaning so I reasonably expect F1 cars to be more efficient in the wet with dry tyres. I have also driven a road car with worn summer tyres on ice/snow (many tens of miles). And again, no HUGE speed drop (just gotta be GENTLE).
For example, Jacques Villeneuve landed a drive with Williams (which was the best car at that time) the first time around. But not only did he start his FIRST race from pole position, set the fastest lap of the race and nearly won the race (only a technical problem prevented that - still 2nd), but he raced and behaved in a way that Lewis can only DREAM about! And still, did Villeneuve dominate F1 after he lost the best car in 1998? No, of course! Look at Michael in 2005, Mika in 2001 etc.!
Lewis retired once, Massa three times. Lewis won 5 of the 17 races he finished. Massa won 6 of 15 (and retired while leading in Hungary) despite Lewis having such a good car that even the light Massa had 6 poles to Lewis' 7 poles. Lewis 1 fastest lap, Massa 3 (Kimi 10 in 12 consecutive races - a new record, an improvement of his own 10 fastest laps in a season!!!).
The problem is that according to the information available (very little information), it really looks like Timo Glock slowed down on purpose and let Lewis win the championship. We'd need to see telemetry for clues, whether he was on the edge or going too slow intentionally... Anyway, he's a very poor driver if he loses ~18 seconds using dry weather tyres compared to INTERMEDIATE tyres... But as you saw in Monza, he is very good in the wet. So I suspect it was intentional! :-(((
Ok ok, Lets disect that comment. First, the only thing that matters in any professional sport is who gets more points at the end of the season, game over, end of discussion. You people just believe what you want to believe, theres no way Hamilton take the fifth position, "of course not, hes a shitty driver, glock let him went through". Thats the mentality of an irracional, cuasi-conspirative, deranged, fanatic Alonso fan/Hamilton hater.
But lest suppose that we are in magic fairy land (where these people live) and Glock let Hamilton take the 5th position... Isnt that the EXACT same thing that Raikkonen did with Massa in the race before Brazil gp??? That shows that when you criticize Hamilton you are being hipocrites.
The fact that teammates let each other overtake when it is in the best interest of the team is a COMPLETELY unrelated phenomenon. Hamilton lost to a Toro Rosso and a Renault in a championship decider. Massa won that race in a proper way (pole, fastest lap). Lewis is simply a champion only on paper. If Timo slowed more than the weather forced him, he's an idiot. And BTW, I think the best driver is Kimi. Definitely not Massa (he's just lighter/shorter giving him laptime advantage). Alonso is OK.
You fail to see that the Raikkonen/Massa thing is the same "crime" you blame on Glock just because you are against Hamilton and because it didnt happend on the last race. The funnier thing is that you just have no proof about glock letting lewis took over the 5th position but your irrational wish for a ridiculous conpiration to became widely accepted, hahaha you just make me laugh.
Quoting you: "Lewis is simply a champion only on paper". Yeah, thats the whole point. Mail me in 20 years and see what the people remember about this season, they will just look it up and said "hey Hamilton won the championship that year" And believe me, no fucking body will be talking about your bullshit, because thats how it always have been.
It is not about what people see on paper, it is about who's the best driver. We're running two constructors championships, only one of them is titled "drivers championship". That's what I am (also) talking about.
The bottom line is just that Hamilton is a lucky guy who entered F1 in the best car. Approximately 1/4 of the grid is at least as good as him... Despite having the best car, he lost the championship in a RIDICULOUS way last year and NEARLY repeated that this year. He's NOWHERE near Senna, who he claims is as good as himself! He's a retard and most F1 drivers dislike him. Not because of his inappropriate luck or skin colour, but because of his behaviour. He does not deserve that car (and title).
hamilton deserves to be in mclaren and be a champion obviously you haven't read his book if you did you wouldn't say that , this guy at 1o or 11 years of age came to ron dennis and told him he wanted to drive for mclaren one day , he became gp2 champion in his first trial, ron dennis and even michael the great saw what he did in istanbul 2006 after spinning from 2 he became last later on passed everybody up to 2nd(by the way they all have the same engine and chassis) this guy is a pure talent
hyundai081... Alonso should be one time calculator machine to do what you say.sorry my English but you dont understand nothing.he stops too time because his tires were not correctly.Mclaren put him tires what he didnt want.he answer by radio
are you joking! i don't understand nothing because you're spanish and he's your hero?? Yes because of wrong tyres?so he stood 10 secs waiting, exactly how hamilton needed for loosing the last lap and then with the wrong tyres he made a superb lap. Thats an excuse that him and his fans need after what he did. EVEN IF they put wrong tyres he should have moved from there to let lewis make his pit stop, I dont know from where the hell he brings such ideas
and even if you remember well mclaren had a penalty on hungary 2007 that they didn't score any constructor points because alonso obstructed hamilton in qualifications. the argument here was why ron dennis was angry that day! and before you blame me that i don't understand nothing, inform yourself good and don't read only spanish sites and newspapers
Come on men, control ur reactions, u make it look like Hamilton is your hero too. In that qualification Hamilton disobeyed a couple of times team orders to let Alonso do a fast lap, and Ron Denis himself said that Alonso was following team orders, they told him to wait.
obviously because alonso would be angry if hamilton is not the 2nd driver,he wanted that lewis just move out of the way. mclaren said to the FIA that it wasn't alonso's fault that he stopped 10secs there as an excuse because that penalty, but they still get it- no constructor points for mclaren because alonso blocked hamilton. for me nobody is a hero but the argument began by u saying that hamilton is not comparable to alonso- a big bullshit
in fact ron dennis from that qualification didn't speak anymore to alonso. you' re just trying to say that Lewis is lucky, he deserved this championship BUT if there was alonso with a ferrari or a better car he would have won it. Alonso just attacked every rival he had- schumacher, massa and now hamilton
I dont know what u mean by "attack" he obviously tries to win every time, but he also has very good relations with other drivers, like Kubicka, Massa and Raikkonen, and you should read what Hamilton just said about Alonso, that he is a great man,he was one of the first to congratulate him after Brasil And yes I believe that Alonso is better, Hamilton is fast and with the pole and his mclaren he is almost unbeatable but I think he has the same level as Kubicka or Vettel Alonso is one step forward
i read what he said, and what does it change so? after he said he will try to help massa win it, then he went to congratulate him and hamilton said he is a big man and hes very thankful to him. sorry but did i say its not true or something?? i said attack for how he talked about schumacher when he said michael is the least sportsman in f1, in the european gp 07 he and massa had an argument after the race and now it' lewis time- so he' s friend with d ferrari/bmw drivers the top teams
kubica vettel and lewis are the same level and alonso is a step forward- that't your opinion. and the youngest champion ever who scored same points in his 1st year as double world champion alonso with same car is not worst than alonso- the facts. it was nice discussing, time will tell us who's right and who's not......
how much times this year Kovalainen had more fuel than lewis in Q3! all of them but Silverstone he had the pole.The last year alonso had the same problem,why?? Ron Dennis is English, mclaren is English.Ah!! if you say Alonso obstructed hamilton in qualification you dont understand nothing.Alonso said michael is the least sportsman in f1...but is true o false??? its true.And he attack massa the last year in EuroGP and this year all people saw how massa crashs to lewis when hamilton overtakes him.
so everything you said is true, you're right...that is what you want to hear spaniardos....The thing is that Lewis Hamilton is the YOUNGEST ever WORLD CHAMPION and all his fans are celebrating (including me) and all you others trying to blame him for this and that, but just useless because he is the world champion. and bdw the least sports man in F1(schumi) is 7 time world champion
maybe because alonso left lewis waiting 10 secs in the pit after him for nothing! or for grabbing the pole and not leaving time for lewis to make the last lap
@ pmanngw- I agree , no excuses , 2 same cars for a championship, 2 drivers- one won 2 championships the 2 previous years and the other has to get his first experience in f1 and all know the true results. Its so difficult for some people to accept that lewis is a champion!
well I dont Know if u r talking about me or not, but it might be coz I´m the only one here supporting alonso. I already said that Hamilton deserves his championship, this year he was the best no doubt, this year. And really dont understand why everybody here is saying that last year hamilton beated alonso, they both had 109 points, so it was a draw. You r right, they both had their chances to win the championship last year, till hamilton screw up in brasil, after that the only one whith chances
was alonso, but the team (and u can tell just by looking at denis face was still only supporting hamilton, but whatever, he is the champion now, lets see how he does next year, hopefuly we will have a better renault (if u count the last 8 races alonso kicked everybodys ass with a fuckin renault), the bmw-sauber are looking good, and ferrari is always there, so we will have a nice fight
The difference between them is that alonso was double world champion and with lot of experience and Lewis was in his first year of F1 and you say its a draw? come on, alonso didn't expect that hed scored same points as the rookie and you say Alonso showed he was better! Dont tell me with the expressions of peoples faces but tell me when mclaren didnt help Alonso or preferred Lewis? On which occasions?
I know this is going to make a lot of people jump and I dont really wanna keep on with the discussion, it is like trying to convince a Man. United fan that Arsenal is better (it is just an example) it doesn´t make any sense, but Hungary was one of those occasions, and I know it looked like alonso cheated there but hamilton disobeyed direct orders from the team and denis said that they ordered alonso to wait, so the thing is that if alonso would have win that race he would have been the champion
and the question after that was "why are they so angry when they have both of their pilots on the first road?" and alosno said "cos I´m the first one"
Seem like you forgot again the incident in Germany, what would you say now if it happened to Fernando? remember that alonso made driving mistakes too in 2007 so he screwed up his own championship too, it dosen't mean that only the mistakes in the last GP's screw a championship. BDW alonso didn't kick everybody's ass in the last races, he is a very good driver and better than piquet for sure and is making his renault better and better but if you look good to all gps you see that
in italy raikonen and lewis began from back positions so he had 2 less to beat, but when hamilton had to pass him he passed him easily and in the rain! in singapore everybody knows that he won it because of d fortune that he made pitstop before piquet crashed so he was 1st. In Japan lewis was behind because massa spinned him so it could be a different story for alonso too and in brazil you know that hamiltonwas racing for 4 points and he had not why to fight with alonso massa raikonen etc.
sure right! that points count so why you don't compare alonso with lewis?! oh because it's like i'm trying to convince a manutd fan that arsenal is better, now i understood your points. the thing is that i liked senna schumacher and now hamilton, a brazilian a german and a british so i speak about a driver not because of nationality but because of his talent and white is white and black is black...hey the angry one in mclaren was fernando last year and if it's him the 1st one dosen't make sense
Come on man, I´m not even spanish, I like Alonso for the same reasons u like hamilton, and I also liked Senna. But u r the one that is calling me a racist without argumments, u think I dont like Hamilton because he is black? come on, keep the level discuss my arguments but dont insult me. Ron Denis got angry after alonso made the pole position in hungary, he had both drivers on the front line and he was angry...maybe I didn´t make myself clear, I think that Hamilton is a very good driver, but
he made the easy road since when he was 8yrs old, and if you want i tell u why. you have a misunderstanding my friend i will never call you racist you don't seem one i said it for spanish and brazilian supporters, i didn't insult you, if you was racist the discussion would have been ended previously. about hungary 2007 if you want to know why ron was angry to alonso follow this link:
I'm absolutely not saying that Fernando is all luck or bad driver but you said that you'll never compare lewis with him! and the last races he kicked everybody's ass! come on the facts speak for themselves... yes i think that 2009 will be more competitive with ferrari's renault bmw's and mclarens and that's nice, but I hope that there will not be rasicm or banal penalties again, we want to see racing and a professional FIA
finally we agree :p....just to close it, to make more points than everyone else with a renault is pretty much kickin ass, and u have to be really good to do it.....u also have to be really good to win a championship, like hamilton did
yes but with a renault of australia is a thing and with a renault of brazil is another so if he'd won with the australian renault i would call it kickin ass. but these are mt opinions , but at least on something we agreed
JAJAJA sisi contate otro de gallegos!! JAJAJA por dios, como les salta la mala leche a algunos... En cualquier actividad de alta competencia lo UNICO que importa a fin de cuentas es el que saca mas puntos al final de la temporada, lo demás es puro humo.
It's not just the anchors here, in belgium they didn't notice aswell, it probably looked like a lapped car or something, i noticed something had changed when hamilton crossed the line, and i saw him in 5th place :)
I don´t know why all the hamilton fans get so excited. He won the championship against a mediocre Massa, Raikonnen had a bad year and alonso had a fucking Renault, and with all that he won just by one point. He deserves the championship, but there is no way you can compare him to alonso. Alonso won 2 championships with a Renault against Schumacher and his ferrari, and this year he made more points than nobody else in the last 8 gp with a shitty car.
Alonso is a great driver, i agree with you on that. But many spanish people (the vast mayority i would say) hates Hamilton's guts without even accepting that he is a good driver, they think that the F1 is Alonso and nothing else. Just to give an example, the spanish sports newspaper MARCA made an article on monday called "Hamilton the prefabricated pilot" HAHA see, even when he wins the title they are unable to respect him, because all they can do is hate.
well you have to bear in count that the people of mclaren treated alonso like shit last year, and the relationship between hamilton and alonso is not the best one, therefore is normal that spanish people dont like hamilton. Last year we didnt see a wrecker bringing alonso back to the race, or Ron Denis throwing his headfones down when hamilton made a pole position. And it is also true that Hamilton started his career with the best car of the championship, unlike Alonso, Kubicka or Vettel.
You can hate on Hamilton, but man you have to accept that he IS a good driver. I told you, I think Alonso is great, no doubt about it, but the point is that Spaniards dont respect Hamilton (notice HATE and RESPECT are not necessarily related feelings). They dont acknowledge him as the good pilot he is, they are just haters. Those people are a cheap laugh, althoug i know there are some Spaniards who respect Hamilton and dont give a shit about their stupid press.
Come on, just hear the sport anchors in the video and tell me if they are not a cheap laugh haha, they where so happy that Hamilton lost and suddenly boom haha, cock suckers.
I never said that he is not a good driver, he is pretty good, I mean, he is the champion right? I just was trying to explain why the people in spain dont like him, and in some way he earned it. But u r right, and the anchors should have a lil bit more respect u r absolutly right. And for the record, I´m not spanish, but I still dont like Hamilton because of his atitude, but u have to be crazy to say that he is a bad driver, but he is not as great as other champions
with the same mc laren car in 2007 Lewis did better, so I compare him and say Lewis is better, what do you need more see them racing with the same car for a whole year? the double world champion VS the rookie !! alonso is 27 years old and Lewis is 23 don't forget.
I think they made the same amount of points, and it was the sameteam,but not the same conditions, as I said, we never sae a wrecker bringing alonso back to the race or Ron Denis getting pissed off after a pole position from hamilton. In the last race, after Hamilton fucked up, Alonso had more chances of winning the championship than hamilton...
and when u look at the faces of mclearen´s people they are just worried about hamilton and dont give a fuck about the fact that the other driver, a two times world champion, can win the championship.
alonso wants to be the centre of attraction in a team, hamilton is a champion and not his 2nd and we see that last sunday, we'll see massa and alonso how much will be friends if they will be team mates at ferrari one day
Leeeeeeeewiiiiiiissssss.... the good old days.
LewisHamilton1991 3 months ago
Lobato is sometimes a bad comentator
Formula1Onboard1 4 months ago
People hate hamilton because of color ?
throxnet 5 months ago
Que le pasó a glock ? jajajjajaa Lobato demasiado mal periodista muy parcial o muy español mejor dichojajajjaaa go Hamilton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gamf12 9 months ago
Alonso has bought a lot of spanish fans to formula one, but i worry that many of them are 'fair weather fans' and will lose interest in the sport when Alonso leaves. De la rosa toiled for years with very little recognition from his home fans and Jaime jaime alguersuari is ignored too. Its a shame too that the two spanish grand prixs are on such boring race tracks
dannya333 1 year ago
mira, soy español, seguidor de alonso y fan de kubica, todos no somos asi, yo no me alegre de que hamilton estuviera a punto de perder el mundial, yo estaba pendiente de las posiciones de kubica y fernando. hamilton me parece un buen piloto pero que no sabe cuando arriesgar y cuando no, espero que con los años valla a mejor. saludos
MrPepe1395 1 year ago
I never tire if seeing these closing scenes. Thanks for posting it. An exciting finish and a great win for Hamilton..
1MeanMrMustard 1 year ago
I never tire if seeing these closing scenes. Thanks for posting it. An exciting finish and a great win for Hamilton..
1MeanMrMustard 1 year ago
disfrutando con el bicampeooooon :P
eso si es un pilotooo
FA
victor151515 1 year ago
@victor151515 yuhuuuuu
iagoil 1 year ago
NO TIO, HAMILTON SOLO HA GANADO UNA VEZ... NO TE EKIVOKES.... LO DIGO PORKE HABLAS DEL CAMPEON...Y EL CAMPEON ES HAMILTON...
EGYPTSELLERS 1 year ago
@EGYPTSELLERS campeon de mascachapas xD
victor151515 1 year ago
its a shame hamilton won his championship NOT by skill but with luck. It was also great how EVERYOTHER DRIVER wanted massa to win the champion ship NOT hamilton. Ovbs cause he is a moaning unskilled thingg. I even live in the UK and hate him :L
Emma2457 1 year ago
@Emma2457 Como dijo el Diego... Con perdón de las damas... Que la chupen, que la sigan chupando
iagoil 1 year ago
@Emma2457 Who gives a fuck?!
nitroboost8765 1 year ago
hhhhahahhhaaa eat your hands....
f1fighters 1 year ago
Spainish people have only known about formula one for a few years since alonso came into it...... they are all F1 novices!
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago 2
I can't believe people defend Alonso! He cheated and he kept the win, knowing it was a fixed race. He showed terrible sportsmanship. He STOLE Nico's first win. He STOLE Massa's World Driver's Championship (he lost by 1 point and went from 1st to last in this race because of Fernando & friends), he and his buddies risked the lives of other drivers and Piquet to get a win for Alonso. That was ridiculous. Even Massa calls him a lying cheat and they are now teammates!
BourbonAnakin 1 year ago
@BourbonAnakin it was a pit stop error that cost massa not the piquet crash even though alonso was very unsportsman like when he commented on the race
2010formula1 1 year ago
@BourbonAnakin You son of a bitch, Alonso didn't know what Piquet and Briatore were doing he just took advantage of what had happened through the race and that was legal. What was really ridiculous was Hamilton's podium in Valencia. He overtook the SC and was not penalised until 20 laps later, RIDICULOUS DON'T YOU THINK
TaKeRInHeLL96 1 year ago
@TaKeRInHeLL96 Yeah, ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as having to ask your team to MAKE your teammate move over... ;)
Wilkopops 1 year ago 2
@TaKeRInHeLL96 yeah right - he didn't know - he just happened to be on the most unbelievable strategy ever known to F1. The whole thing was planned and Alonso was a part of it. He was a part of the 2007 scandal involving Ferrari when he was with Macca too. And now he is a part of the team orders violation in Ferrari. His character is the one in question - are you sure I am the son of a bitch?
BourbonAnakin 1 year ago
@TaKeRInHeLL96 And I am no Hamilton fan either. The dude lied to the stewards, then the stewards cheated for him in Valencia with the 20 lap no penalty - penalty. Yes it was ridiculous. His team and him also cheated in Canada with the no fuel run to pole which got him a win. But Hamilton also being despicable doesn't help Alonso...
BourbonAnakin 1 year ago
@BourbonAnakin He didn't lie to the stewards...he said trulli went off the track under the safety car (Australia 2009), which he did, before which he handed over the position...
nitroboost8765 1 year ago
YES HE KNEW...
EGYPTSELLERS 1 year ago
in spain commentators are stupids.
but good fortune there are some spanish fans, many of them, that say loud that alonso is stupid and also that "he is not so good..."
tarkin33 2 years ago
You are the stupid...
DanyelATH13 2 years ago
OEEEEEEEEEEEOEOEOEEEEEOEEEEEEEEEEEEEOEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Alonso = Cheater!!!
Singapour 2008 We don't forget!!!!!
iagoil 2 years ago
ur idiot. alonso didn't do nothing in sigapore. he only drove nothing else
Pakillo027 2 years ago
It's amazing to see there's people that thinks (at least it's what they say) that alonso didn't know anything about the crash gate!!
It's obvious that HE KNEW WHAT HAPPENED!!!
Perhaps he didn't know pre-race, but post race he did. Absolutelly. AND HE DIDN'T SAID ANYTHING. Fucking cheater
iagoil 2 years ago 3
yes ur right. he knew it after when this year piquet said it
Pakillo027 2 years ago
Im from spain and fortunately not all F1 "fans" are like this, but sadly there are a lot of tugs like the ones in this video who make the rest of us look like retards. Quite sad.
xPezXx 2 years ago 20
im not even spanish but
jajajajaja
muhaha felt like saying that
beyblader10171 2 years ago 4
Cuanto más lo veo más me parto el culo!!!
RETRASADOS!!!!!! Jojojojojojojojo
iagoil 2 years ago
Omg what dumbasses ahaha
Jasey0684 2 years ago 4
el mundial le toco en una tombola a ham, cuando sea bicampeon llamarme. cuando retire a un campeon tambien.Fernando alonso tiene algo que ham jamas tendra:la mejor aficion que le apoya y no le critica cuando va el 12º, es una pena....
en españa nos comemos el ham de pata negra
erikalonsa 2 years ago
pfffffffffffffffffffffffffff
iagoil 2 years ago
afición? looooooool
yihad
iagoil 2 years ago
Kimi all washed up! Alonso a bitter little Spanish poison dwarf along with his rascist fans. Massa will never get over the grief of losing championship.
All Ferrari fanboys suck donkey balls. That about covers all the Lewis haters.
LawfordLad 2 years ago
that just about covers lewis hamilton fans hu suck his dick everyday and hate every other driver. fernando is alot better than hamilton and sos kimi, massa and hamilton are on a par
kkcrumbles 2 years ago
Hamilton won! It will say it in the history books for all time. So no amount of crying from the Hamilton haters is gonna change it. Get over it. He won. Alonso didnt! I quite liked Alonso until the Mclaren debacle and then all his fanatical Spanish fans and media tried all the dirty tricks against Lewis! Fuck em!
LawfordLad 2 years ago 15
HAMILTON...THE BEST DRIVER EVER..!!
EGYPTSELLERS 1 year ago
@kkcrumbles I've been watching F1 for twice the time that you've been alive, and its apparent to me that you think that you know something about F1 as you've played it on the PS3. Shut up. Or I'll tell your mummy to give you smack.
mezzer99 2 years ago
hamilton 16th and 18th in practice and heikki quicker than him. no free pass for lewis to get round heikki this year lol
kkcrumbles 2 years ago
Hamilton 3rd! Be quiet!
LawfordLad 2 years ago
he would have finished 11 or 12th with out retirements and penaltys so nothing special there. still a crap car and a crap driver
kkcrumbles 2 years ago
Hahah, they wasted to much time on hating Hamilton
Chaffe123 3 years ago 2
haha. crap commentators. where's the professionalism? didnt even realise.
deperer 3 years ago 2
vamos hamilton
rester645 3 years ago
Celebrate anothers defeat is to be a LOSER, and this guys are. Kimi for ´09!!
smurfich1 3 years ago
son of a bitch ?
onlineMGC 3 years ago
That was brilliant.
qwertylockley 3 years ago
Well done Hami teach those pricks a lesson or three lol.. all hater s go to hell and stay there you're scum. Lewis Is amazing! wahooo!
MagicLewisForever 3 years ago 6
na lewis is not as good as people think. the best pound for pound drivers in F1 are Alonso and raikkonen. hamilton honestly got lucky to be put in a fast car straight away. youve just jumped on the lewis bandwagon like most people while he is winning. if he stops winning you would say hes crap
kkcrumbles 3 years ago
if anybody stops winning you would say they were crap .Talk about stating the bleeding obvious
agevill 3 years ago
Hamilton's a prick, undeserving champ and btw i am british and proud but he is a disgrace to motorsport and britain. i ewould love to see jenson or david take the championship because they are deserving winners..
hamilton the cunt
xxxxxPIETROxxxxx 3 years ago
pietro it's strange, the queen awarded him an MBE. WTF? This honors should be given to certain people (war survivors, fighters or even in people with a big career in motorsport). Why the fuck hamilton deserved one? For what?!
KaragouniSG13 3 years ago
i cant tell if you are being sarcastic lol? But he definitely didn't deserve it!
xxxxxPIETROxxxxx 3 years ago
Because he came from a poor background to take the biggest prize in motorsport, and he is a British winner. And it gave me great pleasure watching all the haters cry when he won! So thats a big F U to all the Alonso/Kimi/Massa fanboys!
LawfordLad 2 years ago 2
As a Mexican, with Spanish blood, I can say I was amazed by the stupidity and racism of Spaniards, THANKS FOR THIS VIDEO!
finnerss 3 years ago 2
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PUTA HAMILTON, fuck off you bitch. Damned lucky ass nigger, go to hell
KaragouniSG13 3 years ago
I still can't understand why glock let him past, makes F1 look like shit and poor massa was robbed of his deserving prize.
i would snap hamiltons neck if i met the cunt
xxxxxPIETROxxxxx 3 years ago
Actually if you see Glock's final lap, it was a miracle that he even managed to finish. It was like driving on the ice. Fucking toyota noobs, should you go back to WRC and leave F1. Dumb people..
KaragouniSG13 3 years ago 3
thats how i feel about hamilton...
xxxxxPIETROxxxxx 3 years ago
true hamilton did not deserve it. massa lost 30 points due to ferraris crap reliability he would have won it easy. massa will win a championship one day. he was just unlucky this year. hamilton was lucky. hamilton engine and gearbox 0 failures heikki at least 5 or 6 failures. bit like michael schumacher and barrichello at ferrari u might say
kkcrumbles 3 years ago
lol bitter ferrari fanboy. you havnt mentioned all those points taken off lewis and given to massa by the stewards.
leeds0united 2 years ago
oh 4 points big whoop. lewis still should have lost the title. hes nowhere near as good as raikkonen or alonso ( the two top class drivers in f1). this season will firmly put him back in place and hell stop being cocky. 16th and 18th in practice lol
kkcrumbles 2 years ago
Hamilton is a super fit athlete. You are probably a fat internet warrior. I suggest Hamilton would probably wipe the floor with you. So do be quiet, there's a good lad. i remember when i couldnt take my drink! lol
LawfordLad 2 years ago 4
hamilton dont know race under pressure! take a look in the 2007 and 2008 season!
its need a balls of steel and he dont has that! mediocre driver!
josemariadobairro 2 years ago
más o menos mediore que tu inglés?
imayora111 2 years ago
"fat internet warrior"? Haha such a geeky comment...
DonPers 2 years ago
True though eh!
LawfordLad 2 years ago
"... There are millions of people who would race to the last drop of blood if they were so lucky and got into F1. Playing it safe is for little girls, NOT true racers!"
TRUE RACERS remember Spa, Hamilton got on with it, Massa tiptoed came second and was gifted the win, Justice my friend!!!!
momod27 3 years ago
And to believe that Timo Glock, who WON the GP2 series in 2007, would lap MORE than 30 seconds worse than in the dry (on such a "short circuit" - if it was Spa, I wouldn't be surprised) is just STUPID. As the ITV commentators Martin Brundle (ex-F1 driver) and James Allen said Timo could have crawled around and Lewis wouldn't catch him. If you think you're smarter than Brundle (concerning F1), you're pathetic...
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
Punto 3: Fernando Alonso me parece un piloto tan bueno como bocazas. No me importa lo que digan que es la imagen que da, pero de puertas para adentro es un cachondo, porque es lo que yo veo y lo que él quiere que yo vea. Dicho esto, nadie dió mas saltos que yo en España el día que cruzó la meta primero en Hungaroring en 2003.
iagoil 3 years ago
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iagoil 3 years ago
Punto 1: Sigo la F1 desde antes que alonso ganara nada. Es más, desde antes que se subiera en un triciclo. No me jode por supuesto que se haya expandido este gran deporte en España. Me jode que el que no piense como dictan los "entendidos" (T5, SER, etc) sea marginado y vilipendiado.
Punto 2: Soy fan de McLaren. No de Hamilton (Ni anteriormente de Mika, Fernando, Alain, Ayrton, David, etc) sino de McLaren como conjunto, como equipo.
iagoil 3 years ago
iagoil, se te olvidan la SER y Jose Ramon de la Morena, que se jodan tambien, jajajaja.
Viva Mclaren, Viva Hamilton, Viva Ron Dennis, Viva De la Rosa, Viva Glock.
medai213 3 years ago
Lobato + Alonsistas + Serrano + GrandPrix (revista, por decir algo) + Mutua Madrileña = MIERDA (SHIT)
JODEOS BASTARDOS! FUCK YOU BASTARDS!
iagoil 3 years ago 2
jajajajajaja tio...tu simplemente no tienes ni puta idea, ahora q estar con los ingleses en F-1 siempre será un valor seguro...apuesto a a q ni siquiera has salido de España a ver la F-1. q digo igual no has ido ni a montmeló...por no hablar de q no tienes ni puta idea de lo dificil(casi milagroso) q es q alonso esté en la F-1 por q en tu vida has estado ligado al mundo del automovilismo...tu es q eres un entendido jajaja
vicpik 3 years ago
Tranqui Villadelprat...
iagoil 3 years ago
de ahí solo te confirmo a 3: alonsistas, serrano y GrandPrix. Mutua Madrileña solo es una empresa, no es nada más. (por cierto, he leido que tu eres de los mios, de los que conocian "el deporte más aburrido del mundo que por haber un español ganando se ha echo famoso en españa" desde antes de Fernando (1999 para ser exactos) y estoy de acuerdo en todo lo que has escrito contestando a mireon o algo asi
Blindkiller64 3 years ago
Gracias. Pues prepárate para este año que viene. A ver quien los aguanta
iagoil 3 years ago
Dependiendo como empieze el año. Si empieza mal, los veremos apagaditos, pero si va bien el R29, a cagarse en todo y a aguantar a los falsos amantes de la F1.
Blindkiller64 3 years ago
Gracias Lewis por hacernos a nosotros, los verdaderos aficionados de la F1 en España, tan felices. Gracias McLaren. Siempre en mi corazón!
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Thanks Lewis for making us, the real F1 supporters in Spain, so happy. Thanks McLaren. Always in my heart!
iagoil 3 years ago 3
HAMILTON WORLD CHAMPION
Timo Glock is the best.
medai213 3 years ago
Hamilton dirty
telofav 3 years ago
While one can understand the Spanish contingent being bitter towards Hamilton for humiliating Alonso and showing him up to be the Dirty, cheating bad losing chap that he is, they really should be more sporting. CHILL OUT BOYS AND SIMPLY ADMIRE THE GENIUS OF HAMILTON!
sheffield1867 3 years ago 5
f+ck hamilton
alonso the best f+ck o gthe rest!!!
karavil2828 3 years ago
MUERTE A HAMILTON
HAMILTON = LOOSER
frikismikis 3 years ago
estupido espanol
nitroboost1234567 3 years ago 2
Also, I drove a FWD road car with the front right tyre flat at 130 kph/80 mph on ice/snow for about 12 miles. As I say, ALL you have to do is be GENTLE with the steering and the throttle and the brakes. You can still go REALLY fast. I just don't believe Timo did his best, sorry... Telemetry data would PROVE if he is guilty of handing the championship over to Lewis or not. Telemetry would show if he was on the edge (as an F1 driver is paid to drive) or cruising at a comfortable speed.
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
I ve been watching F1 since the day of senna. Lewis is a breath of fresh air. If you understand formula 1, then you know how good hamilton is. The way he outbreaks and pass his opponent,and his style of driving on wet amazes me. No disrespect to jakubkrcma he is talking from his ass.
theunholysoul 3 years ago
And don't think I disrespect Hamilton. He tries very hard etc., but I just think he's not the best (not even nearly the best) and does not deserve all the success that is virtually coming his way... If he was e.g. 5th in the championship (last year and this year), I would say: Yeah, he's pretty good for a rookie... But this is just blatant injustice and an insult to all the guys who started in Minardi, Sauber etc. and had to work their way up... Even Senna was rejected by Williams at first!
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
people that says he doesn't deserve to be in mclaren are just haters this guy deserves it and he proved it last year by leading most of the championship in his first year of formula 1 and beating a 2 time world champion who beat a 7 time world champion in a SAME CAR ..ron dennis knew his talent and nourished it he made a smart move and he's champion this year so i don't nobody else who deserves it better and mark my word he is set to dominate the sport in the coming years to come
papilo2 3 years ago
You need to understand (and simulations that produce acurate results confirm that) that even in MONSOON conditions, modern grooved tyres provide sufficient traction/adhesion for ~80 % of dry weather AVERAGE SPEED. Of course that acceleration and braking is substantially worse, but cornering is quite OK. And there are a lot of slow corners in Brazil. Glock lost most right there, where his situation could not have been much worse than with intermediates. And the conditions were NOT that bad.
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
Timo Glock was faster than his team mate Trulli on the last lap - the only driver still on dry tyres. So to say that Glock handed the title down to Lewis is stupid.
Anime998877 3 years ago
So maybe Trulli also slowed down on purpose to cover that. I would have to see the telemetry to be able to tell. But the lap times changed TOO fast...
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
now your just makin up excuses lol
BrandzF1 3 years ago
No, actually there is one other possibility why both Toyotas went SO slow in the last lap. Maybe they wanted to "make sure" they make it to the finish line so they slowed down SO much regardless to Hamilton's position. Anyway, they obviously WEREN'T racing in my opinion... And to get to F1 and not race is abominable in my opinion... There are millions of people who would race to the last drop of blood if they were so lucky and got into F1. Playing it safe is for little girls, NOT true racers!
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
OK, we have a difference of opinion on the topic of letting teammates pass vs letting other people pass. I personally think that it would be best if there was just a single guy in a team (= no teamplay ever) and twice as many teams. That's what cost McLaren the drivers title last year with a nearly unbeatable car... If both drivers didn't steal points from each other, one of them would be a CLEAR champion long before the last race... But I honestly think they pushed Hamilton for nationality...
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
Gilles Villeneuve never won a championship and everybody, who understands Formula One, knows that he is one of the VERY best drivers ever. This actually makes a clear distinction between stupid people, who just read the stats, and people, who analyse the ACTUAL qualities of the drivers. E.g. Michael has nearly ALL the best stats, but he's only second in the wet (to A.S.) and among top ten in the dry, i.e. not the best driver ever...
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
And letting a teammate go in a situation, where you already cannot win the championship is common practice (because you profit from the team's profit and you're a team member). It is COMPLETELY different from letting a guy from another team go (if that happened - I would have to see the telemetry, as I already said). From what we all can see in the various videos, it looks as though Glock slowed down WAY too much for it to be justified by the conditions.
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
Its the SAME thing man, you just cant see it. Raikkonen may have more reasons to do it, but letting a teammate took over his position is just as lame as what you "claim" glock did. He is giving points to another guy for doing nothing.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
have you driven a f1 car in the wet with dry tyres ???? i don't think so, you say you know f1 and you complain about glock haven't you watched spa race didn't you see lewis and kimi dancing on circuit cuz they had the wrong tyres even kimi crashed because of that ...there was no luck in there if glock changed tyres hamilton wouldve been champion anyway , he didn;'t change his tyres and what happen ?? his last lap was in the 1. 44s while hamilton and vettel were doing 1.20s so do the math ..
papilo2 3 years ago
Many people in history were as successful as Lewis in lower formulae, but nearly none of them landed a drive in the BEST car the first time around. Of course I know about Lewis' success before F1 (including that last-to-second battle). The thing is that he drives and behaves in a way not worthy a champion (e.g. Monza 2008). And I honestly believe that dry tyres compared to INTERMEDIATES can never cause SUCH slowing down in just one minute over an already wet and slow lap.
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
Timo had the 2nd best lap of the race (1:14.057, Felipe 1:13.736)! If you think it is possible that the conditions get worse in ONE lap so much that you get from ~14 seconds worse than your best lap to over 30 seconds worse, believe that. But I believe, he SLOWED DOWN ON PURPOSE. E.g. the average speed of his last lap was ~148 kph/92 mph. His penultimate lap ~175 kph/109 mph. His best lap 209.465 kph/130 mph. If you follow F1, you know that ~148 kph is Monaco territory, ridiculously slow!
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
And have I driven an F1 car in the wet with dry tyres? No, of course. But I've driven racing karts in the wet on slicks and the difference was not NEARLY as huge as Timo's 1:14.057 - 1:44. 1:35, sure, but 1:44???? NO WAY. And karts have no downforce to help them fight aquaplaning so I reasonably expect F1 cars to be more efficient in the wet with dry tyres. I have also driven a road car with worn summer tyres on ice/snow (many tens of miles). And again, no HUGE speed drop (just gotta be GENTLE).
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
For example, Jacques Villeneuve landed a drive with Williams (which was the best car at that time) the first time around. But not only did he start his FIRST race from pole position, set the fastest lap of the race and nearly won the race (only a technical problem prevented that - still 2nd), but he raced and behaved in a way that Lewis can only DREAM about! And still, did Villeneuve dominate F1 after he lost the best car in 1998? No, of course! Look at Michael in 2005, Mika in 2001 etc.!
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
Lewis retired once, Massa three times. Lewis won 5 of the 17 races he finished. Massa won 6 of 15 (and retired while leading in Hungary) despite Lewis having such a good car that even the light Massa had 6 poles to Lewis' 7 poles. Lewis 1 fastest lap, Massa 3 (Kimi 10 in 12 consecutive races - a new record, an improvement of his own 10 fastest laps in a season!!!).
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
The problem is that according to the information available (very little information), it really looks like Timo Glock slowed down on purpose and let Lewis win the championship. We'd need to see telemetry for clues, whether he was on the edge or going too slow intentionally... Anyway, he's a very poor driver if he loses ~18 seconds using dry weather tyres compared to INTERMEDIATE tyres... But as you saw in Monza, he is very good in the wet. So I suspect it was intentional! :-(((
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
Ok ok, Lets disect that comment. First, the only thing that matters in any professional sport is who gets more points at the end of the season, game over, end of discussion. You people just believe what you want to believe, theres no way Hamilton take the fifth position, "of course not, hes a shitty driver, glock let him went through". Thats the mentality of an irracional, cuasi-conspirative, deranged, fanatic Alonso fan/Hamilton hater.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
But lest suppose that we are in magic fairy land (where these people live) and Glock let Hamilton take the 5th position... Isnt that the EXACT same thing that Raikkonen did with Massa in the race before Brazil gp??? That shows that when you criticize Hamilton you are being hipocrites.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
The fact that teammates let each other overtake when it is in the best interest of the team is a COMPLETELY unrelated phenomenon. Hamilton lost to a Toro Rosso and a Renault in a championship decider. Massa won that race in a proper way (pole, fastest lap). Lewis is simply a champion only on paper. If Timo slowed more than the weather forced him, he's an idiot. And BTW, I think the best driver is Kimi. Definitely not Massa (he's just lighter/shorter giving him laptime advantage). Alonso is OK.
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
You fail to see that the Raikkonen/Massa thing is the same "crime" you blame on Glock just because you are against Hamilton and because it didnt happend on the last race. The funnier thing is that you just have no proof about glock letting lewis took over the 5th position but your irrational wish for a ridiculous conpiration to became widely accepted, hahaha you just make me laugh.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
Quoting you: "Lewis is simply a champion only on paper". Yeah, thats the whole point. Mail me in 20 years and see what the people remember about this season, they will just look it up and said "hey Hamilton won the championship that year" And believe me, no fucking body will be talking about your bullshit, because thats how it always have been.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
It is not about what people see on paper, it is about who's the best driver. We're running two constructors championships, only one of them is titled "drivers championship". That's what I am (also) talking about.
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
The bottom line is just that Hamilton is a lucky guy who entered F1 in the best car. Approximately 1/4 of the grid is at least as good as him... Despite having the best car, he lost the championship in a RIDICULOUS way last year and NEARLY repeated that this year. He's NOWHERE near Senna, who he claims is as good as himself! He's a retard and most F1 drivers dislike him. Not because of his inappropriate luck or skin colour, but because of his behaviour. He does not deserve that car (and title).
jakubkrcma 3 years ago
hamilton deserves to be in mclaren and be a champion obviously you haven't read his book if you did you wouldn't say that , this guy at 1o or 11 years of age came to ron dennis and told him he wanted to drive for mclaren one day , he became gp2 champion in his first trial, ron dennis and even michael the great saw what he did in istanbul 2006 after spinning from 2 he became last later on passed everybody up to 2nd(by the way they all have the same engine and chassis) this guy is a pure talent
papilo2 3 years ago
no all alonso fans. Congratulations lewis.
Alonso is a great driver too.
CRISTIANLUISCAMP0Y 3 years ago
Yeah! I know theres lots of spaniards who think just like you. This video is just for the Alonso's fanatics who dont respect Hamilton.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
hyundai081... Alonso should be one time calculator machine to do what you say.sorry my English but you dont understand nothing.he stops too time because his tires were not correctly.Mclaren put him tires what he didnt want.he answer by radio
JhonAnim 3 years ago
are you joking! i don't understand nothing because you're spanish and he's your hero?? Yes because of wrong tyres?so he stood 10 secs waiting, exactly how hamilton needed for loosing the last lap and then with the wrong tyres he made a superb lap. Thats an excuse that him and his fans need after what he did. EVEN IF they put wrong tyres he should have moved from there to let lewis make his pit stop, I dont know from where the hell he brings such ideas
hyundai081 3 years ago
and even if you remember well mclaren had a penalty on hungary 2007 that they didn't score any constructor points because alonso obstructed hamilton in qualifications. the argument here was why ron dennis was angry that day! and before you blame me that i don't understand nothing, inform yourself good and don't read only spanish sites and newspapers
hyundai081 3 years ago
Come on men, control ur reactions, u make it look like Hamilton is your hero too. In that qualification Hamilton disobeyed a couple of times team orders to let Alonso do a fast lap, and Ron Denis himself said that Alonso was following team orders, they told him to wait.
ElTinto22 3 years ago
obviously because alonso would be angry if hamilton is not the 2nd driver,he wanted that lewis just move out of the way. mclaren said to the FIA that it wasn't alonso's fault that he stopped 10secs there as an excuse because that penalty, but they still get it- no constructor points for mclaren because alonso blocked hamilton. for me nobody is a hero but the argument began by u saying that hamilton is not comparable to alonso- a big bullshit
hyundai081 3 years ago
in fact ron dennis from that qualification didn't speak anymore to alonso. you' re just trying to say that Lewis is lucky, he deserved this championship BUT if there was alonso with a ferrari or a better car he would have won it. Alonso just attacked every rival he had- schumacher, massa and now hamilton
hyundai081 3 years ago
I dont know what u mean by "attack" he obviously tries to win every time, but he also has very good relations with other drivers, like Kubicka, Massa and Raikkonen, and you should read what Hamilton just said about Alonso, that he is a great man,he was one of the first to congratulate him after Brasil And yes I believe that Alonso is better, Hamilton is fast and with the pole and his mclaren he is almost unbeatable but I think he has the same level as Kubicka or Vettel Alonso is one step forward
ElTinto22 3 years ago
i read what he said, and what does it change so? after he said he will try to help massa win it, then he went to congratulate him and hamilton said he is a big man and hes very thankful to him. sorry but did i say its not true or something?? i said attack for how he talked about schumacher when he said michael is the least sportsman in f1, in the european gp 07 he and massa had an argument after the race and now it' lewis time- so he' s friend with d ferrari/bmw drivers the top teams
hyundai081 3 years ago
kubica vettel and lewis are the same level and alonso is a step forward- that't your opinion. and the youngest champion ever who scored same points in his 1st year as double world champion alonso with same car is not worst than alonso- the facts. it was nice discussing, time will tell us who's right and who's not......
hyundai081 3 years ago
how much times this year Kovalainen had more fuel than lewis in Q3! all of them but Silverstone he had the pole.The last year alonso had the same problem,why?? Ron Dennis is English, mclaren is English.Ah!! if you say Alonso obstructed hamilton in qualification you dont understand nothing.Alonso said michael is the least sportsman in f1...but is true o false??? its true.And he attack massa the last year in EuroGP and this year all people saw how massa crashs to lewis when hamilton overtakes him.
JhonAnim 3 years ago
so everything you said is true, you're right...that is what you want to hear spaniardos....The thing is that Lewis Hamilton is the YOUNGEST ever WORLD CHAMPION and all his fans are celebrating (including me) and all you others trying to blame him for this and that, but just useless because he is the world champion. and bdw the least sports man in F1(schumi) is 7 time world champion
CONGRATULATIONS LEWIS HAMILTON
hyundai081 3 years ago
I don´t know if you are responding me , but if that if there are some many things.
Hamilton is the youngest world champion , that´s true. Massa´s celebration becomes him a gentlemen driver (in my opinion)
and alonso is making promising results with the renault , in 2009 , i want to see an Alonso vs Hamilton vs Ferrari
Hamilton is the NEW world champion , although I do not like to admit it :(
:)
CRISTIANLUISCAMP0Y 3 years ago
no i wasn't responding you, what i wanted to see i saw it- lewis being world champion :)
hyundai081 3 years ago
maybe because alonso left lewis waiting 10 secs in the pit after him for nothing! or for grabbing the pole and not leaving time for lewis to make the last lap
hyundai081 3 years ago
i'm not gona jump, its up to you if you want to continue the discussion np. but if you post comments i have the answers..
hyundai081 3 years ago
@ pmanngw- I agree , no excuses , 2 same cars for a championship, 2 drivers- one won 2 championships the 2 previous years and the other has to get his first experience in f1 and all know the true results. Its so difficult for some people to accept that lewis is a champion!
hyundai081 3 years ago
well I dont Know if u r talking about me or not, but it might be coz I´m the only one here supporting alonso. I already said that Hamilton deserves his championship, this year he was the best no doubt, this year. And really dont understand why everybody here is saying that last year hamilton beated alonso, they both had 109 points, so it was a draw. You r right, they both had their chances to win the championship last year, till hamilton screw up in brasil, after that the only one whith chances
ElTinto22 3 years ago
was alonso, but the team (and u can tell just by looking at denis face was still only supporting hamilton, but whatever, he is the champion now, lets see how he does next year, hopefuly we will have a better renault (if u count the last 8 races alonso kicked everybodys ass with a fuckin renault), the bmw-sauber are looking good, and ferrari is always there, so we will have a nice fight
ElTinto22 3 years ago
The difference between them is that alonso was double world champion and with lot of experience and Lewis was in his first year of F1 and you say its a draw? come on, alonso didn't expect that hed scored same points as the rookie and you say Alonso showed he was better! Dont tell me with the expressions of peoples faces but tell me when mclaren didnt help Alonso or preferred Lewis? On which occasions?
hyundai081 3 years ago
I know this is going to make a lot of people jump and I dont really wanna keep on with the discussion, it is like trying to convince a Man. United fan that Arsenal is better (it is just an example) it doesn´t make any sense, but Hungary was one of those occasions, and I know it looked like alonso cheated there but hamilton disobeyed direct orders from the team and denis said that they ordered alonso to wait, so the thing is that if alonso would have win that race he would have been the champion
ElTinto22 3 years ago
and the question after that was "why are they so angry when they have both of their pilots on the first road?" and alosno said "cos I´m the first one"
ElTinto22 3 years ago
Seem like you forgot again the incident in Germany, what would you say now if it happened to Fernando? remember that alonso made driving mistakes too in 2007 so he screwed up his own championship too, it dosen't mean that only the mistakes in the last GP's screw a championship. BDW alonso didn't kick everybody's ass in the last races, he is a very good driver and better than piquet for sure and is making his renault better and better but if you look good to all gps you see that
hyundai081 3 years ago
in italy raikonen and lewis began from back positions so he had 2 less to beat, but when hamilton had to pass him he passed him easily and in the rain! in singapore everybody knows that he won it because of d fortune that he made pitstop before piquet crashed so he was 1st. In Japan lewis was behind because massa spinned him so it could be a different story for alonso too and in brazil you know that hamiltonwas racing for 4 points and he had not why to fight with alonso massa raikonen etc.
hyundai081 3 years ago
he made more points in the last 8 races than anybody else, at the end thats the only thing that matters, right??...and with an inferior car
ElTinto22 3 years ago
sure right! that points count so why you don't compare alonso with lewis?! oh because it's like i'm trying to convince a manutd fan that arsenal is better, now i understood your points. the thing is that i liked senna schumacher and now hamilton, a brazilian a german and a british so i speak about a driver not because of nationality but because of his talent and white is white and black is black...hey the angry one in mclaren was fernando last year and if it's him the 1st one dosen't make sense
hyundai081 3 years ago
Come on man, I´m not even spanish, I like Alonso for the same reasons u like hamilton, and I also liked Senna. But u r the one that is calling me a racist without argumments, u think I dont like Hamilton because he is black? come on, keep the level discuss my arguments but dont insult me. Ron Denis got angry after alonso made the pole position in hungary, he had both drivers on the front line and he was angry...maybe I didn´t make myself clear, I think that Hamilton is a very good driver, but
ElTinto22 3 years ago
he had an easier road
ElTinto22 3 years ago
he made the easy road since when he was 8yrs old, and if you want i tell u why. you have a misunderstanding my friend i will never call you racist you don't seem one i said it for spanish and brazilian supporters, i didn't insult you, if you was racist the discussion would have been ended previously. about hungary 2007 if you want to know why ron was angry to alonso follow this link:
hyundai081 3 years ago
I'm absolutely not saying that Fernando is all luck or bad driver but you said that you'll never compare lewis with him! and the last races he kicked everybody's ass! come on the facts speak for themselves... yes i think that 2009 will be more competitive with ferrari's renault bmw's and mclarens and that's nice, but I hope that there will not be rasicm or banal penalties again, we want to see racing and a professional FIA
hyundai081 3 years ago
finally we agree :p....just to close it, to make more points than everyone else with a renault is pretty much kickin ass, and u have to be really good to do it.....u also have to be really good to win a championship, like hamilton did
ElTinto22 3 years ago
yes but with a renault of australia is a thing and with a renault of brazil is another so if he'd won with the australian renault i would call it kickin ass. but these are mt opinions , but at least on something we agreed
hyundai081 3 years ago
JAJAJA sisi contate otro de gallegos!! JAJAJA por dios, como les salta la mala leche a algunos... En cualquier actividad de alta competencia lo UNICO que importa a fin de cuentas es el que saca mas puntos al final de la temporada, lo demás es puro humo.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
It's not just the anchors here, in belgium they didn't notice aswell, it probably looked like a lapped car or something, i noticed something had changed when hamilton crossed the line, and i saw him in 5th place :)
Selphis 3 years ago
I don´t know why all the hamilton fans get so excited. He won the championship against a mediocre Massa, Raikonnen had a bad year and alonso had a fucking Renault, and with all that he won just by one point. He deserves the championship, but there is no way you can compare him to alonso. Alonso won 2 championships with a Renault against Schumacher and his ferrari, and this year he made more points than nobody else in the last 8 gp with a shitty car.
ElTinto22 3 years ago
Alonso is a great driver, i agree with you on that. But many spanish people (the vast mayority i would say) hates Hamilton's guts without even accepting that he is a good driver, they think that the F1 is Alonso and nothing else. Just to give an example, the spanish sports newspaper MARCA made an article on monday called "Hamilton the prefabricated pilot" HAHA see, even when he wins the title they are unable to respect him, because all they can do is hate.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
well you have to bear in count that the people of mclaren treated alonso like shit last year, and the relationship between hamilton and alonso is not the best one, therefore is normal that spanish people dont like hamilton. Last year we didnt see a wrecker bringing alonso back to the race, or Ron Denis throwing his headfones down when hamilton made a pole position. And it is also true that Hamilton started his career with the best car of the championship, unlike Alonso, Kubicka or Vettel.
ElTinto22 3 years ago
You can hate on Hamilton, but man you have to accept that he IS a good driver. I told you, I think Alonso is great, no doubt about it, but the point is that Spaniards dont respect Hamilton (notice HATE and RESPECT are not necessarily related feelings). They dont acknowledge him as the good pilot he is, they are just haters. Those people are a cheap laugh, althoug i know there are some Spaniards who respect Hamilton and dont give a shit about their stupid press.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
Come on, just hear the sport anchors in the video and tell me if they are not a cheap laugh haha, they where so happy that Hamilton lost and suddenly boom haha, cock suckers.
DontDropTheSoup 3 years ago
I never said that he is not a good driver, he is pretty good, I mean, he is the champion right? I just was trying to explain why the people in spain dont like him, and in some way he earned it. But u r right, and the anchors should have a lil bit more respect u r absolutly right. And for the record, I´m not spanish, but I still dont like Hamilton because of his atitude, but u have to be crazy to say that he is a bad driver, but he is not as great as other champions
ElTinto22 3 years ago
btw, those anchors were so happy coz the didn´t alonso to lose his record as the youngest champion, that´s why they were so happy
ElTinto22 3 years ago
We Hamilton fans get exited because the driver we support won the WC.
Its like if my football team won the Premier league and we had the best players, i would still be exited.
Ferrari was the best car, Kimi & Massa weren't the best drivers.
I would say Vettel, Lewis & Alonso were the best drivers.
NigeMansell 3 years ago 2
with the same mc laren car in 2007 Lewis did better, so I compare him and say Lewis is better, what do you need more see them racing with the same car for a whole year? the double world champion VS the rookie !! alonso is 27 years old and Lewis is 23 don't forget.
hyundai081 3 years ago
I think they made the same amount of points, and it was the sameteam,but not the same conditions, as I said, we never sae a wrecker bringing alonso back to the race or Ron Denis getting pissed off after a pole position from hamilton. In the last race, after Hamilton fucked up, Alonso had more chances of winning the championship than hamilton...
ElTinto22 3 years ago
and when u look at the faces of mclearen´s people they are just worried about hamilton and dont give a fuck about the fact that the other driver, a two times world champion, can win the championship.
ElTinto22 3 years ago
alonso wants to be the centre of attraction in a team, hamilton is a champion and not his 2nd and we see that last sunday, we'll see massa and alonso how much will be friends if they will be team mates at ferrari one day
hyundai081 3 years ago