ATHEISM'S TENET IS [TO SEE GOD DIRECTLY IS TO BELIEVE ]. HOW ON EARTH CAN ATHEISTS WITHOUT USING MRI BRAIN SCANS AS BIBLE & WITHOUT RESORTING TO A GOD DESIGNED UNIFORMITY IN NATURE THAT EVERY ONE HAS A BRAIN, EVER BE ABLE TO PROVE THEY HAVE A BRAIN. THIS [TSGDITB] RULE OF THUMB, IS D MOST MORONIC KIND OF RULE I HAVE KNOWN. IF THERE IS NO DESIGNER GOD, D SWEAT DEFLECTING EYEBROWS SHOULD BE SOMETIMES UNDER SOMEONE' S EYES. IF NO ONE CAN ANSWER ME, SO AS THEY SAY IN FENCING"TOUCHE" U R LOGIC DEAD!
True Christians & Jews think. Muslims believe in the all mighty, they revere Abraham, Moses & Jesus (PHUT). Even there are differences but they are not the enemies. The three have coexisted in peace in most parts of the world.
They are betting you against each other, while they are working on their agenda of NO-Religion, No Values, world domination and financial enslavement.
<1% of them control 99% of world wealth.
You are all brothers/sisters in faith, NOT enemies
@arraba99 You are a crazy moron. On the last video I replied to you on, you were talking about how the bible, talmud & torah are disgusting, evil books, now you're trying to pretend that you're "brothers & sisters in faith" christians & jews?!
After I demonstrated how the quran is just as disgusting as the torah, talmud, bible etc, you ran away like a coward.
Are all muslims cowards? You're trying to dupe others while saying they're being duped. You are a truly sick human being.
@arraba99 I already told you that I'm not a zionist. I could not care less about israel, but you're a crazy person who believes that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a zionist.
Satan isn't real. I don't worship characters from story books. You need to get help. You are sick. Your brain doesn't work right. Please, get help...
This cabal of Zionists/Freemason/illuminate elites own/control IMF, most countries central banks, Hollywood & media. They own politicians through “democratic” elections with generous contribution & media influence. They profit of war & destruction
"Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100-million of them, and the end is not yet" (Chief Rabbi, Zionists, Reichorn, France,1859)
They corrupted western values by promoting porn, promiscuity, atheism, homosexuality, immodesty & materialism & in the name freedom. Gradually, they broke the family structure & severed Christianity from people life. Now they want to corrupt Islam.
Through their control/influence of Western media, they are spreading lies & hate against Muslims/Islam; just as they did to Christianity
Why debate on some dumb ass video and live with what we have. It strive to push forward.
Personably I believe we should all believe in the future. Pushing to improve it for generations to come . Because no matter what happens in the entirety of the universe there will always be TIME. Existence itself will go on even if all life in our universe disappears.
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Congratulations. That's the only respectable position you can have. Now, perhaps you can explain that to your fellow god-botherers who aren't quite so sophisticated in their outlook. Watch out though. Once physicists prove you can start a universe without it having an architect, you might find yourself trying to explain that one to them, at which point they'll just cut your throat.
@Oceanus57 who are you to judge people? stephen hawking didn't really prove anything, in my opinion, his idea was that the universe can't be created without anything happening before the begining ("there can't be a creator without the time to create the universe", "it's like asking for the edge of the earth") to me, this isn't suffecient to prove that the universe wasn't created
@KatanaRapierCombo2 "i can believe in evolution, but that doesn't disprove God"
That's absolutely correct. Also, if Evolution WAS false, it doesn't PROVE God either.
Neither has any bearing on if a God exists.
It only has a bearing if you claim a God created people in their current form 6,000 years ago, when we can see that clearly isn't true. The current state of man had existed hundreds of thousands of years before that and by that point already learned to farm and had dogs for pets.
@KatanaRapierCombo2 "is the 6,000 years thing written in the bible, or was it supposedly calculated by a man?"
Bit of both I guess. It's calculated by men from information found in the bible.
No where do I remember the Bible giving a date. I believe they get that estimate by trying to estimate lineages of people in the bible, all the way to known dates and then working backwards. It's something like 6k-10k years ago.
@KatanaRapierCombo2 "because of this, i'm not sure if i can be a creationist (in the sense of the word), but i am however religious"
Yeah, those people are specifically young earth creationists. Just from talking to you for a few comments, you seem much too rational to fall into their camp. They are basically deniers of reality and clearly different from normal religious people.
@KatanaRapierCombo2 This is at least a tolerable view. If you are willing to accept scientific theory and fill in the blanks with theology at least you wont hold back scientific progress. The religious used to see science as a holy pursuit, as a way of getting closer to god, but now it is the enemy of religion. I don't understand that standpoint; if you really believe in god, science should only justify your belief, right?
@KatanaRapierCombo2 CowLunch - "If you are willing to accept scientific theory and fill in the blanks with theology at least you wont hold back scientific progress."
I want to point out that I agree with CowLunch in that believing in god where science does not have the answers is MUCH better than denying science and holding back humanities understanding of reality.
---BUT---
That position (while better) is still a logical fallacy. It's known as Argument from Ignorance or "God of the Gaps".
@KatanaRapierCombo2 I was referring to CowLunch's comment. That position, while being better than a Y.E. Creationist, is still falling into the God of the Gaps argument.
"i just don't think that atheism (although has a good point) is absolutely/entriely correct"
Atheism's position isn't about being absolute or correct.
You are an Atheist if you don't actively believe in a God. That's it. You don't have to prove all gods false to not believe in them.
@MegaTarkers speaks the truth. Praise be upon him.
Atheists are better people. Anyone who wants to do the math better include all the flavours of religious nutters out there, and all the disgusting nonsense they perpetrate.
To all the fervent types who imagine they'll turn to murder and rape and theft as soon as god stops watching - You're perverse, and sick.
If that's how you feel, please keep going to church. But don't imagine you're fit to judge others. You're absolutely not.
@nkelly1432 Brilliant. Any evidence or observations to back that up? I guess first you'll have to find a way of defining what "moral values" are. Good luck with that. See you in 20 years. Next step will be to define free will. You'll be keeping busy. Here's your first problem: If free will does not exist, how is it possible for people to commit suicide? Pretty big existential choice. To be, or not to be?
@MegaTarkers Well, I see what you mean. But I think "There is no God. All God is is the human imagination at play." are two statements that are perfectly supportable, and related.
The trouble with the debate as it stands is the "BBC Radio 4 rule" where if two parties are at odds, truth must lie somewhere between them. The more you allow party A to assert and speak, the more the needle swings their way. If you're party B and you just say "Well, not sure...", you lose ground.
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Well, all that is is a fundamentally weak re-stating of Pascal's Wager. It's the "what if you're wrong?" question to Dawkins, which you can Google to see how he deals with it.
In such circumstances I look to the philosopher Homer (Simpson):
"What if we're worshiping the wrong God? We'll just be making the real one even madder!"
When I see a puppet worked or a cartoon character animated, I have zero difficulty discerning what can be made to seem real from what is.
@Oceanus57 i don't think it's weak, whether it's answered or not, the idea that God only exists in the imagination could still be mistaken, who's to say for certain? not even Dawkins, or even Darwin, in my opinion.
you think religious folks don't realize this? there are rival religions in the world, and there have been quite the battles fought throughout history.
puppets, cartoons and movies cannot discredit our very existence and awareness, no matter how much of a mockery they may show.
@Oceanus57 i believe in the same thing Pope John Paul II believed, that the great religions were all worshipping the same God, such as; the Hopi religion, the Lakota religion, the Jewish religion, the Muslim religion, the Christian religion, etc.
it's just that people have a variety of different ways of perceiving things, and so different religions are established and developed
i agree with the part about Darwin, but Richard Dawkins seems to have a different idea about that in mind
Well, whoop de doo. Believe whatever you want. Which you clearly do. Or at least you want to pretend to yourself that you do.
Your belief doesn't make it any more true, so if you're looking to make some sort of point, saying "I believe x" doesn't recommend x to me, nor is it any kind of argument.
Easy to disprove God. God only exists in the imagination of his puppeteer followers. They work at the strings and pull on the levers, and generally do whatever they can to make their god seem real.
Please help me understand and "know for certain"? Some one said, "Sciences do not "deny or affirm" by any "true" proved evidence the existence of God; because there is "no provable evidence" either way; except for theorhetical traditional evolved gossips, handed up through the ages, via and in the form of, ancient communicative medias. Of course this is the "basis of beliefs"; and beliefs can be true or false, as history is riddled with abundances of liars and truthsayers!"
Atheists will always be immoral,and give me one reason they should be moral since what has been done evils in secret,no God to judge and no one knows forever,since there is no God?
Be evil,and do what you want,and there is no God to judge in after life,so why fear?Be like Hitler,and when you killed others ,and you can commit suicide,and nothing happens to your soul.,
@frankielee77 The fact that you would apparently be a psychopath without religion is NOT NORMAL, perhaps you should seek some help before you forget for a second you are being constantly watched and judged and murder someone.
@frankielee77 So fear of punishment by some deity is the reason for you to be moral. That is not a very compelling reason. Also, fear of which god? Who decides which deed is immoral?
Or be evil, then ask God to forgive you! Works for the catholics (And Hitler was raised Catholic, proving that raising kids in the church is no guarantee they'll turn out great.) And the born-agains.
A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. This is the definition from the dictionary of what religion is. He has a religious belief system it governs how he thinks about things.
Sam is more fanatical in his unsupported and very generalizing views than the very religious fundamentalist he always attacking. He is really more religious than they are, but a different religion.
For any thinking Atheist, he is a liability to your cause. He is more of an entertainer than an intellectual.
I am not a fan of Hichens, but there is no contrast between the two.
o my gOD, this is why i love sam harris... I'd say him and Hitch are really the best of the best in terms of popular atheist speakers/writers... just extraordinary
I believe that the universe and cosmos exists deep within the confines of Oprah Winfrey's rectum. How do you know that it doesn't? We may be microscopic matter living within the rectal orifice of another organism much larger than the cosmos we assume exists. The possibility exists??!?
Sam Harris, although not the arrogant champion of atheism like Hitchens, will ultimately do more good in showing reason to those who have yet to accept it.
I certainly wouldn’t try to sweep it under the carpet by claiming it is just a bunch of week individuals. Today the church lacks the ability to torture and execute people accused of witchcraft (except in Africa) however the fraudulent practices of ‘faith healing’ ‘exorcism’ and just plain fraud are rampant within Christianity. Watch footage of a witch burning in Africa, it’s not just one or two people, it’s the entire village! Christianity is a wicked religion.
@MrCraniumExplosion well, you have to take into account that these messages were written in the old testament for the hebrew/jewish people to heed, the messages of christianity are in the new testament, however i'm not saying that the old testament should be ignored entirely
In reference to the witch burning in Africa: This is what the spread of Christianity is doing in Nigeria! These people have been given bibles which to them to not suffer a witch to live and now they have divine permission to burn innocents.
Maybe they're misinterpreting the bible?
Of course they are! if there is a proper way to interpret the bible then it is as a bunch of fairy tales designed to get the children to sleep on a donkey ride to Jerusalem 2 millennia ago!
@MrCraniumExplosion well, that situation to me sounds like a collision between Christianity and Voodoo, there could be a lot of confusion in Africa because of Christianity's (or foreigners') tendancy to be so constitutional, and the trouble is, their own religion/cult would look like a clear anti-thesis which is causing this problem, furthermore there seems to be some instability or ineffeciency in Africa's government to deal with the situation properly
@KatanaRapierCombo2 the proper way to interpret the Bible is through one's own life experiences, in this era we have a newfound obsession with machines and digital graphics, and because we're constantly using them, those of us who are involved in this deeply have been out of touch with natural life (from my perspective)
the Bible is not for children, unless they are incredibly experienced or intelligent, beyond the comprehension of today's common people (in my personal opinion)
I am a member of the Caviler Spaniel Appreciation Society (CSAS) if I found out that the money I paid this group was being used by pedophiles and child rapists I would be outraged, if I found out that senior management had tried to cover up the rape of children by CSAS members and staff I would not defend the organization! I would quit, I would try and get my money back, I would testify against the CSAS.
Well your now arguing with John Adams; but you are right (in one perspective) Christianity isn’t the worst religion EVER. The Aztecs had to rip out a beating heart just to make sure the sun rose the next day. HOWEVER the Aztecs have not affected the modern world as much as Christianity; How many people in Africa have AIDS because of the church’s insane idea that condoms are evil? Who will they spread the infection to? How many children have been raped by priests?
@MrCraniumExplosion well, it's not necessarily christianity that caused the damage, people are responsible, bad people, being very irresponsible with their own power
actually, the main functin of condoms is to prevent skin contact between genitles, therefore preventing pregnancy, my question is, can't medical treatment just solve the infection instead of having to rely on condoms?
i'm just as disturbed as you with that last part, i think it's wrong, but they were probably atheists in disguise
@MrCraniumExplosion that's not what i was saying, i meant that the so-called "priests" who are guilty of these sins may not really be men of faith, but more like men of opportunity (in my opinion)
well, they could just not do it at all, but okay. hopefully we will cure AIDS, but there is a reason why the catholic church is against condoms, it's a moral issue
I am well aware that the angel stopped the blade at the last moment, my point was not that Abraham killed his son, but he DID pull a knife on his son and threaten to kill him, imagine if your father did that to you! Threatening to kill a child is still child abuse!
Why would you think that the priests were not men of faith? watch an interview with Father Oliver O'Grady he is both a man of faith and opportunity!
@MrCraniumExplosion okay, point taken, but seeing as how they were in an era where the youth were potentially dangerous when they grow up, as in tyrant kind of dangerous, the hebrew people (the jews) i guess just didn't take any chances, or were enraged somewhat beyond reason by the oppression upon them
i don't understand people like oliver o'grady, that's just crossing the line and i can't respect it, because it's hypocracy!
Do you believe as I believe that morality should be subject to our best understanding of reality? for example;
A psychotic believes that the planes flying over his house are actually an invading fleet of aliens, so he shoots them down. Clearly this man is delusional, statements such as ‘I was defending the human race against an alien attack’ are false and he should not be permitted to shoot at UFO’s. (PART 1)
@MrCraniumExplosion well, there are supersticious folks who aren't necessarily insane
i think the reason why the catholic church refuses condoms as part of society is because it prevents normal mating between two partners/mates, though science is more health beneficial in this case, the catholic church is also right about the slight immorality in using condoms, then again it really depends on the people using them
Where is the ‘slight immorality’ in using condoms?
Is it that it is not “normal mating” between consenting adults?
Since when has normality had anything to do with morality?
-Being left handed isn’t normal but it isn’t immoral
-if most men drank beer we wouldn’t condemn the wine drinkers as being slightly immoral!
If the church cannot find a basis in reality for their prohibition on condoms then it is not a matter of morality, it is a matter of power and control.
a wise man once said; "never does wisdom say one thing and nature another", i believe that being abnormal can be immoral if you're doing harm on purpose
there is nothing abnormal with being either handed
i don't know if drinking wine was ever considered immoral, unless the intent was becoming drunk then leading to violence
Unless there is some basis in reality for any prohibition against condoms then the church is merely shooting at imaginary UFO’s, with very real consequences for the infected! (PART 2)
In reference to your claim that the priests and religious people who molest children are actually atheists in disguise.
If people who abuse children are atheists then would that make the Abraham of the bible an atheist as he clearly abused a child his son by pulling a knife on his son.
@MrCraniumExplosion well, i didn't mean that as a direct offence to the atheist community, just that i'm skeptical of the devotion and hence the intentions of these sinners
Abraham was tested by God to take the life of his own son to prove his faith and devotion, however before he could actually do it, he was halted, and commanded not to, because it was then revealed that it was all a test
however if you meant circumcision, well then, that's a rather controversial matter, in my opinion
@KatanaRapierCombo2 This is a false made up story. Didn't God know what the result of Abraham's test would be? In other words, is it possible for us to SURPRISE God?
If not, then He knew what Abraham would do and then the "test" becomes more like sadistic toying with His creation.
@gatomjp yeah well, that's the paradox between the Old Testament and the New Testament, the description of God differs between these two scriptures, which is why Jews reject Christian doctrine
Yes newton was a Christian, I have never denied this. He was also bat-shit crazy (a trait he shared in common with most of the Christian world!) Many great mathematicians and scientists were also bat-shit crazy, Pythagoras turned mathematics into a death cult and worshiped numbers! (Also where did I try to claim that I came up with the theory of gravity???)
“Christianity not the most bloody religion ever” …
@MrCraniumExplosion i respect your freedom of expression, but i don't think newton was insane, there's a difference between insanity and instability in my opinion
i meant that you shouldn't disrespect his achievements and take them for granted, but if you are already capable of this and didn't mean to, then i apologize
btw, i don't think all christians are crazy, but have you ever heard of louis riel? i'm curious to know what you think of him
in reference to Newton OK, I will concede that he was unstable. I did not imply that his work on gravity was anything other then brilliant however it gives no credence to any other opinion or theory that he endorsed.
Of course not all Christians are crazy (you will have to forgive my emotive language; I here that Christians are particularly good at forgiveness)
I will talk about Louis briefly with an analogy
Assume that the war in Iraq is an unjust war ... (TBC)
Now we do not necessary know why Felix is thinks this, he could believe;
1) Felix dosn't believe that you should kill for oil (somewhat admirable)
or
2) That infidels should not step on Muslim holly ground (detached from reality)
With Louis I see a man fighting for the rights of the native Canadians (which is good) but he is doing it because he believes that he is the divinely chosen leader of the Métis! (which is detached from reality)
@MrCraniumExplosion i don't necessarily see it as being detached from reality, just somewhat detatched from the purely logical perspective of reality, there is also the purely intuitive perspective of reality, our normal perspective of reality rests between the two
If the churches prohibition on condoms is not a matter of logic but of intuition then there is a grave problem within the church. Our intuitions are often subject to bias and not representative of reality (that is not to say that they have no place in moral reasoning) however they should be treated with skepticism and should certainly not be relied upon when making global policy decisions that affect the lives of billions of people!
@MrCraniumExplosion on the contrary, it's the using of condoms that's being intuitive here, and the church being the logical one
condoms are made to keep people safe from HIV or AIDS, however the church doesn't fully trust condom-users because sometimes they're getting away with too much you know what, and the catholic church doesn't like it, because they grant marriage to couples
"Never does wisdom say one thing and nature another"
In nature you do not see beavers wearing hard hats or using concrete to build a dam, is wearing a hard hat and using concrete un-natural and therefor unethical?
Wisdom tells me that my partner should not try to cannibalize me after mating. However in nature the female Praying Mantises idea of post colitis cuddling is to eat her partners face off!
Nature is littered with examples of species behaving in ways which are horrifying to us! This is why nature isn't a moral compass.
Appealing to nature in matters of ethics is known as the naturalistic fallacy, just because something is natural does not make it moral likewise just because something is unnatural does not make it immoral.
Ask yourself
Where is the harm in using condoms? Who gets hurt? Who is wronged?
It matters not whether or not the catholic church likes what consenting adults do (even if they’re not married) what matters is that the catholic church is teaching generations of young minds that condoms spread AIDS and that they should never be used, this is a very real harm! [Also, what are condom users “getting away with?”]
Where is the logic in teaching generations of young people that condoms might make the AIDS crisis worse – Pope Benedict XVI
In reference to condoms (again) what does it mean for the next generation to be orthodox and why is that good?
And in relation to the kalam argument that you were having with @Oceanus57 you could accept that there needed to be a first cause for all of the reality that we see (I'm not entirely convinced that this is the case but it is a reasonable assumption); however there is no reason to ascribe the properties of consciousness, trinity or awareness onto whatever it was!
@MrCraniumExplosion it means that the people don't stray from their nature or naturality, and do incredibly stupid things that may hardly even be comprehensible for us today, the concept of growth and development without changes
it's debatable/arguable if it's good or bad, however why it could be good is that we may possibly spare ourselves any further abnormalities and damages to our essence of naturality, that may be incoming towards us that we're not aware of
"people don't stray from their nature or naturality, and do incredibly stupid things ..."
People who follow their "nature" (however you want to define that) already do stupid things, what is natural to humans is not necessary good!
"we may possibly spare ourselves any further abnormalities and damages to our essence of naturality, that may be incoming towards us that we're not aware of"
I can't make heads or tails of this statement! what is "incoming towards us?"
@MrCraniumExplosion i know, but that doesn't mean we can't improve, see we humans haven't completely detatched ourselves from nature (assuming we could/have)
which is why a lot of religions are trying to point out a solution to our disgrace
our downfall, the point of no return, i'm not sure, who really knows?
I enjoy that, at 1:50 through 2:12, he makes the statement that our nature as humans is to want what we want when we want it is usually all we need to create and then believe un-testable ideas based on how we feel. Wishful thinking and self-deception are cunning, baffling, and powerful. I can really relate to that.
Harris looks like he's hung over. Atheist faiths in chance creations and secret powers of inanimate matter to self-materialize, self-order into an infinite universe, and self-animate with life force are asininity extraordinaire.
@onefodderunit Wow. That's a strawman if I ever heard one. Oh...let me try. Christians believe in an undead immortal omnipotent carpenter of a zombie with powers to heal and die on planks of wood after some toga wearing, trident wielding, bearded, all powerful, loving dad of his created all life before screwing up and deciding to make a burning pit of fire below our feet so he can eternally burn and torture his most beloved creations for eternity. They also believe the Earth is flat.
@onefodderunit That is the most ridiculous excuse as an argument. Let's go back in time....Where did bright light in the sky come from? God. How did we get here? God. That is a logical fail. Your god of the gaps is pathetic. Ignorance is an excuse, stupidity is not.
@onefodderunit You understand that is a difficult question to answer. First off, I'm not atheist, but I do value science and mathematics. To answer that question, it's best to study the math at a graduate level. That would take 10-15 years and 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars. The best vid I found on the subject looks like it was taken down but was a vid of Neil DeGrasse talking about the Big Bang. Here's another really good vid - watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo. It's long but worth it.
@onefodderunit Put simply there's a relationship between matter and energy and energy and matter can turn into each other. The energy came from equal parts of negative energy. This is according to the math. I know it's difficult but nothing "materialized" by itself.
Gravity pulls stuff together. If done enough, fusion takes place and larger molecules form. Nothing "ordered itself." It is what it is.
Abiogenesis isn't "animated matter." It's a complex process of organic molecular Rxn.
@onefodderunit Please understand, it's not a matter of faith. Nor is it my belief. It's what we can know based on the mathematics that describe the universe. If you study science, you'd know it doesn't take faith to know the definition of force. You don't need to believe what mC^2 is equal to. You don't even need to believe anything to understand the implications of gravity or relativity. You just need to study it. Same is true with the Big Bang and abiogenesis. I hope that helps.
Your faith in Abiogenesis - belief that matter once conceived life - reveals you as a common Atheist. How amusing that you're compelled to deny being one.
@onefodderunit lol. "How amusing that you're compelled to deny being one." Um...I'm a theist because I believe in a God. Might want to look up that term. Faith? How so? And again, your strawman when you say, "belief that matter once conceived life." Organic chemistry doesn't really require belief. Allow me to return the strawman serve. Your ignorance on science reveals you to be a fanatical cult worshiping baby raping Christian extremist hypocrit. How's that for strawman arguments. Your turn.
@onefodderunit No, you just have no idea what you are talking about, that's all. You don't understand Quantum physics so you just sit there and think that some creator is behind everything. You, sir, are asinine.
@onefodderunit Order out of chaos? Please explain. Know anything about entropy? It was very low in the early universe, it wasn't chaotic. Our current laws breakdown when we go back in time to the big bang, how does that rationalize some illogical being created us?
@onefodderunit The big bang happened, it's a fact. We know this because of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. I don't have time to teach a physics lesson on Youtube. Watch Lawrence Krauss 'A UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING'. That will explain it just fine, just because YOU do not understand something does not mean it isn't true. The universe is the way it is, whether we are here or not.
It's saddening to break the news to you, Atheist, but your fantasy Bang was a dream. Background radiation is electromagnetic and that is a characteristic of plasma.
The visible universe is 99% plasma. Redshift isn't a factor of distance. You've been lied to. That's what you get for trusting TeeVee. Welcome to the 21st century.
To help you release your old world tie, explain how you envision space expanding in space?
@onefodderunit Right. You don't seem educated. So please, explain to me these claims you so blindly are making. Plasma cosmology is a joke. Look up the math for worm holes, extreme energy in a small amount of SPACE will cause it to tear. It doesn't matter if you or I can "vision" it happening.
Redshifts are attributable to the Doppler effect, familiar in the changes in the apparent pitches of sirens and frequency of the sound waves emitted by speeding vehicles; an observed redshift due to the Doppler effect occurs whenever a light source moves away from an observer. Cosmological redshift is seen due to the expansion of the universe, and sufficiently distant light sources show redshift corresponding to the rate of increase of their distance from Earth. Come again?
@ironlung1028 Don't bother with onefodderunit, he's immune to rationalism. He's one of those conspiracy/creationist/nazi/NWO/chemtrail freaks. You'll just turn blue in the face and he'll remain just as obstinately ignorant. Save your breath.
@AtheistRex Yes, no doubt. Appreciate that lol, it's obvious he has NO idea what he is talking about. Can't answer a question but only ask them. Fail.
@ironlung1028 Don't bother with onefodderunit, he's immune to rationalism. He's one of those conspiracy/creationist/nazi/NWO/chemtrail freaks. You'll just turn blue in the face and he'll remain just as obstinately ignorant. Save your breath.
@ironlung1028 Don't bother with onefodderunit, he's immune to rationalism. He's one of those conspiracy/creationist/nazi/NWO/chemtrail freaks. You'll just turn blue in the face and he'll remain just as obstinately ignorant. Save your breath.
You are repeating the lie about redshift. Points in space which have different redshift values have been shown to be at the same distances by Halton Arp. The universe is electric, Atheist.
Explain how you imagine space expanding in space? How many times are you going to have to be asked. Describe the boundary of space expanding in space as you imagine it
@onefodderunit You are a moron. You are in the same category as people who believe in BIG FOOT or the Loch Ness monster. You are a logical fail, and a disgrace to the human species. Your one time on this planet earth has been wasted and I feel sorry for you. It's not about what YOU BELIEVE, it's about what WE KNOW. ;)
@onefodderunit lol. I like how you call the Big Bang Theory "outdated." As if the 6 day literal creation is SOO much more modern. That's actually pretty funny. lol.
@onefodderunit I know you think you're fighting God's battle against Satan. And I know you think God wants you to fight this battle. I suspect you even think you're a valued soldier in this battle. (either that or you're a troll, it's hard to tell). Yet, everything I've seen you write does nothing more than push people away from Christianity. Congrats for FedExing my soul straight to hell. That's true Christian compassion. No wonder Atheism is growing like it is. Nice job!
Atheist faith in chance creations and rejection of intelligence is irrational.
Chance is chaotic, the opposite of order. Order in the universe and nature is evidence of intelligence. Atheists have a fundamental issue with intelligence.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I just read your name, I remember you.
Guys don't respond to this dbag, he is a troll. I remember him trolling the shit out of some other videos.
He will constantly ask questions and when answered jump to the next topic, but will refuse to answer or even address any point of yours, as he just did with my point about the lottery.
@onefodderunit "Atheists have a fundamental issue with intelligence."
Wow. What an absolutely _gripping_ argument, even when it is taken in context.
By that rational, they're not to blame for being too stupid to own what they say. Just ignore them and move on, for how can one have a battle of wits with an unarmed atheist? Why would you beat your head against the wall in wanting to engage with such folk?
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Are you just here to call people stupid? If so, congrats. Mission Accomplished!
Orderly, functional systems in the universe and nature are evidence that they are creations of intelligence. Atheist Orthodox rejection of intelligence speaks for itself.
If you're not comprehending the message, it's not an external problem.
@onefodderunit "Orderly, functional systems in the universe and nature are evidence that they are creations of intelligence"
Got it. By this breathtaking, profound statement, you have forever changed my opinions and views on the universe, and I now accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior, thus absolving me of ever questioning anything else regarding creationism/ID ever again. How stupid it was of me to ever conceive otherwise.
*whew* That was close. Was almost damned for a second there.
@onefodderunit It is your and religion's problem that you feel diminished in some way that we _may_ be products of chance.
It is humbling in a way that religion doesn't allow.
For any religion to claim a monopoly on truth is, as Sam states elsewhere, the very definition of narcissism. Narcissism can be defined as, "inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity"
Pride. The bane of all religions. How does one overcome this? Claim a monopoly on pride, thus making it okay.
@onefodderunit Okay, you're throwing Atheist around as if it were a naughty word. You know nothing about me or my belief in God, so we can call you out on that.
I'll call myself out on all assumptions about you as well. Clean slate.
So, I gather that you believe strongly in Divine Intelligence in creation of the universe and claim those who don't are Atheists. Can we say this is true?
Your take on Sam's consistent message appears to be one of resentment and outrage. I get that, so be it.
@onefodderunit You are a sad person and just reading your comment makes me think that you might want to seek professional medical assistance for brain defects.
It's amusing when Atheists argue fanatically that life was never meant to be, and pretend it's scientific to put faith in inanimate matter once conceiving life.
Can't help but feel bad for the offspring of you hopeless, soulless bastards though.
@onefodderunit Can't help but feel bad for your offspring that have to grow up with a parent that still has an imaginary friend. Yelling "you don't have an answer for how life began" is not evidence for another answer. It's like me claiming I have a fucking miniature space clown hidden in the palm of my hand that you can't sense and then when you ask to prove it I say "prove I don't? Haha, you can't so it must be true".
Of course using common sense on your argument is clearly beyond you.
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ATHEISM'S TENET IS [TO SEE GOD DIRECTLY IS TO BELIEVE ]. HOW ON EARTH CAN ATHEISTS WITHOUT USING MRI BRAIN SCANS AS BIBLE & WITHOUT RESORTING TO A GOD DESIGNED UNIFORMITY IN NATURE THAT EVERY ONE HAS A BRAIN, EVER BE ABLE TO PROVE THEY HAVE A BRAIN. THIS [TSGDITB] RULE OF THUMB, IS D MOST MORONIC KIND OF RULE I HAVE KNOWN. IF THERE IS NO DESIGNER GOD, D SWEAT DEFLECTING EYEBROWS SHOULD BE SOMETIMES UNDER SOMEONE' S EYES. IF NO ONE CAN ANSWER ME, SO AS THEY SAY IN FENCING"TOUCHE" U R LOGIC DEAD!
CONDUIT99PERCENT 9 hours ago
I'm totally straight, but I might love this man.
NumbFlynn 1 day ago
3:18
I see you :)
xJayJayx995 3 days ago
@xJayJayx995 Is it Stephen Fry?
CursedZebra 1 day ago
He reminds me of Seth Green here (purely because of his appearance)
heyufool1 6 days ago
@heyufool1 I think ben stiller
CrusstyJugglers 5 days ago
@CrusstyJugglers Ah, yeah I see him too... Yep, I think ben fits better.
heyufool1 5 days ago
People you are duped -C
True Christians & Jews think. Muslims believe in the all mighty, they revere Abraham, Moses & Jesus (PHUT). Even there are differences but they are not the enemies. The three have coexisted in peace in most parts of the world.
They are betting you against each other, while they are working on their agenda of NO-Religion, No Values, world domination and financial enslavement.
<1% of them control 99% of world wealth.
You are all brothers/sisters in faith, NOT enemies
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 You are a crazy moron. On the last video I replied to you on, you were talking about how the bible, talmud & torah are disgusting, evil books, now you're trying to pretend that you're "brothers & sisters in faith" christians & jews?!
After I demonstrated how the quran is just as disgusting as the torah, talmud, bible etc, you ran away like a coward.
Are all muslims cowards? You're trying to dupe others while saying they're being duped. You are a truly sick human being.
Zentz29 6 days ago
@Zentz29
Talmud is a sick document, have you not read it. Most Jews I know say so.
As I said TRUE Christians and Jews who are anti-Zionists. Not Zionist such as yourself, who worship Satan.
arraba99 18 hours ago
@arraba99 I already told you that I'm not a zionist. I could not care less about israel, but you're a crazy person who believes that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a zionist.
Satan isn't real. I don't worship characters from story books. You need to get help. You are sick. Your brain doesn't work right. Please, get help...
Zentz29 13 hours ago
People you are duped -B
This cabal of Zionists/Freemason/illuminate elites own/control IMF, most countries central banks, Hollywood & media. They own politicians through “democratic” elections with generous contribution & media influence. They profit of war & destruction
"Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100-million of them, and the end is not yet" (Chief Rabbi, Zionists, Reichorn, France,1859)
arraba99 1 week ago
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People you are duped -A
By G-dless Zionists (Freemason/illuminate) cabal
They hijacked Judaism.
They corrupted western values by promoting porn, promiscuity, atheism, homosexuality, immodesty & materialism & in the name freedom. Gradually, they broke the family structure & severed Christianity from people life. Now they want to corrupt Islam.
Through their control/influence of Western media, they are spreading lies & hate against Muslims/Islam; just as they did to Christianity
arraba99 1 week ago
Sorry for the grammatical errors in my last post. Bear with me please.
BleakGamer 1 week ago
We're all going underground/cremated, etc.
Why debate on some dumb ass video and live with what we have. It strive to push forward.
Personably I believe we should all believe in the future. Pushing to improve it for generations to come . Because no matter what happens in the entirety of the universe there will always be TIME. Existence itself will go on even if all life in our universe disappears.
BleakGamer 1 week ago
i can believe in evolution, but that doesn't disprove God, on the contrary, it only broadens my perspective of God
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Congratulations. That's the only respectable position you can have. Now, perhaps you can explain that to your fellow god-botherers who aren't quite so sophisticated in their outlook. Watch out though. Once physicists prove you can start a universe without it having an architect, you might find yourself trying to explain that one to them, at which point they'll just cut your throat.
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
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@Oceanus57 who are you to judge people? stephen hawking didn't really prove anything, in my opinion, his idea was that the universe can't be created without anything happening before the begining ("there can't be a creator without the time to create the universe", "it's like asking for the edge of the earth") to me, this isn't suffecient to prove that the universe wasn't created
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
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@KatanaRapierCombo2 "i can believe in evolution, but that doesn't disprove God"
That's absolutely correct. Also, if Evolution WAS false, it doesn't PROVE God either.
Neither has any bearing on if a God exists.
It only has a bearing if you claim a God created people in their current form 6,000 years ago, when we can see that clearly isn't true. The current state of man had existed hundreds of thousands of years before that and by that point already learned to farm and had dogs for pets.
devious21 1 week ago
@devious21 is the 6,000 years thing written in the bible, or was it supposedly calculated by a man?
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
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@KatanaRapierCombo2 "is the 6,000 years thing written in the bible, or was it supposedly calculated by a man?"
Bit of both I guess. It's calculated by men from information found in the bible.
No where do I remember the Bible giving a date. I believe they get that estimate by trying to estimate lineages of people in the bible, all the way to known dates and then working backwards. It's something like 6k-10k years ago.
To be sure, you'd have to ask a Y.E. Creationist.
devious21 1 week ago
@devious21 well, thank you for the informative answer and suggestion
but because of this, i'm not sure if i can be a creationist (in the sense of the word), but i am however religious
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
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@KatanaRapierCombo2 "because of this, i'm not sure if i can be a creationist (in the sense of the word), but i am however religious"
Yeah, those people are specifically young earth creationists. Just from talking to you for a few comments, you seem much too rational to fall into their camp. They are basically deniers of reality and clearly different from normal religious people.
devious21 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 This is at least a tolerable view. If you are willing to accept scientific theory and fill in the blanks with theology at least you wont hold back scientific progress. The religious used to see science as a holy pursuit, as a way of getting closer to god, but now it is the enemy of religion. I don't understand that standpoint; if you really believe in god, science should only justify your belief, right?
CowLunch 1 week ago
@CowLunch right!
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 CowLunch - "If you are willing to accept scientific theory and fill in the blanks with theology at least you wont hold back scientific progress."
I want to point out that I agree with CowLunch in that believing in god where science does not have the answers is MUCH better than denying science and holding back humanities understanding of reality.
---BUT---
That position (while better) is still a logical fallacy. It's known as Argument from Ignorance or "God of the Gaps".
devious21 1 week ago
@devious21 but i didn't mean the god of gaps, i meant the creator
i just don't think that atheism (although has a good point) is absolutely/entriely correct
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 I was referring to CowLunch's comment. That position, while being better than a Y.E. Creationist, is still falling into the God of the Gaps argument.
"i just don't think that atheism (although has a good point) is absolutely/entriely correct"
Atheism's position isn't about being absolute or correct.
You are an Atheist if you don't actively believe in a God. That's it. You don't have to prove all gods false to not believe in them.
devious21 1 week ago
@MegaTarkers speaks the truth. Praise be upon him.
Atheists are better people. Anyone who wants to do the math better include all the flavours of religious nutters out there, and all the disgusting nonsense they perpetrate.
To all the fervent types who imagine they'll turn to murder and rape and theft as soon as god stops watching - You're perverse, and sick.
If that's how you feel, please keep going to church. But don't imagine you're fit to judge others. You're absolutely not.
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
BEN STILLER
buddycookiegoliath 2 weeks ago
Moral values come from genetics and environmental upbringing. Two variables. Free will does not exist.
nkelly1432 2 weeks ago
@nkelly1432 Brilliant. Any evidence or observations to back that up? I guess first you'll have to find a way of defining what "moral values" are. Good luck with that. See you in 20 years. Next step will be to define free will. You'll be keeping busy. Here's your first problem: If free will does not exist, how is it possible for people to commit suicide? Pretty big existential choice. To be, or not to be?
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
hahaha, jesus saves.... at citibank
redxpen 2 weeks ago
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mgorfain 2 weeks ago
@MegaTarkers Well, I see what you mean. But I think "There is no God. All God is is the human imagination at play." are two statements that are perfectly supportable, and related.
The trouble with the debate as it stands is the "BBC Radio 4 rule" where if two parties are at odds, truth must lie somewhere between them. The more you allow party A to assert and speak, the more the needle swings their way. If you're party B and you just say "Well, not sure...", you lose ground.
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
@MegaTarkers
I don't see what's wrong with pointing out that God is nothing more than the invention of the human imagination.
God's just a ventriloquist act with an invisible dummy. Take away the ventriloquists, and the god falls silent and disappears.
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
@Oceanus57 what's wrong with it is that it could be a mistaken point
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Well, all that is is a fundamentally weak re-stating of Pascal's Wager. It's the "what if you're wrong?" question to Dawkins, which you can Google to see how he deals with it.
In such circumstances I look to the philosopher Homer (Simpson):
"What if we're worshiping the wrong God? We'll just be making the real one even madder!"
When I see a puppet worked or a cartoon character animated, I have zero difficulty discerning what can be made to seem real from what is.
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
@Oceanus57 i don't think it's weak, whether it's answered or not, the idea that God only exists in the imagination could still be mistaken, who's to say for certain? not even Dawkins, or even Darwin, in my opinion.
you think religious folks don't realize this? there are rival religions in the world, and there have been quite the battles fought throughout history.
puppets, cartoons and movies cannot discredit our very existence and awareness, no matter how much of a mockery they may show.
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
"or even Darwin???" wtf? Darwin wasn't really all that interested in theology. He was interested in the truth of how living things come to be.
Which god of the very many available options are you going to pick as the one that's not a mistake then, and how will you make your choice?
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
@Oceanus57 i believe in the same thing Pope John Paul II believed, that the great religions were all worshipping the same God, such as; the Hopi religion, the Lakota religion, the Jewish religion, the Muslim religion, the Christian religion, etc.
it's just that people have a variety of different ways of perceiving things, and so different religions are established and developed
i agree with the part about Darwin, but Richard Dawkins seems to have a different idea about that in mind
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 In that they are all worshiping something that isn't there, I agree.
It's all childish nonsense, and time we all grew up.
Oceanus57 1 week ago
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@Oceanus57 i wouldn't go that far, i believe in God and in the supernatural
i believe in a creator, and i think science is a good reason to believe that there is a creator (personal opinion)
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
Well, whoop de doo. Believe whatever you want. Which you clearly do. Or at least you want to pretend to yourself that you do.
Your belief doesn't make it any more true, so if you're looking to make some sort of point, saying "I believe x" doesn't recommend x to me, nor is it any kind of argument.
Search "The god trick". Argue with that. Bye.
Oceanus57 1 week ago
Easy to disprove God. God only exists in the imagination of his puppeteer followers. They work at the strings and pull on the levers, and generally do whatever they can to make their god seem real.
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
Please help me understand and "know for certain"? Some one said, "Sciences do not "deny or affirm" by any "true" proved evidence the existence of God; because there is "no provable evidence" either way; except for theorhetical traditional evolved gossips, handed up through the ages, via and in the form of, ancient communicative medias. Of course this is the "basis of beliefs"; and beliefs can be true or false, as history is riddled with abundances of liars and truthsayers!"
maginatorgia 2 weeks ago
@MegaTarkers Well said.
neuterpets 2 weeks ago
How on earth would someone willing to be misled by such a fool,called Sam,whose ideas are so shallow and silly!
frankielee77 2 weeks ago
Atheists will always be immoral,and give me one reason they should be moral since what has been done evils in secret,no God to judge and no one knows forever,since there is no God?
Be evil,and do what you want,and there is no God to judge in after life,so why fear?Be like Hitler,and when you killed others ,and you can commit suicide,and nothing happens to your soul.,
frankielee77 2 weeks ago
@frankielee77 The fact that you would apparently be a psychopath without religion is NOT NORMAL, perhaps you should seek some help before you forget for a second you are being constantly watched and judged and murder someone.
DSBrekus 2 weeks ago
@frankielee77 Also, godwin's law.
DSBrekus 2 weeks ago
@frankielee77 So fear of punishment by some deity is the reason for you to be moral. That is not a very compelling reason. Also, fear of which god? Who decides which deed is immoral?
86himanshu 2 weeks ago
Or be evil, then ask God to forgive you! Works for the catholics (And Hitler was raised Catholic, proving that raising kids in the church is no guarantee they'll turn out great.) And the born-agains.
Oceanus57 2 weeks ago
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A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. This is the definition from the dictionary of what religion is. He has a religious belief system it governs how he thinks about things.
Godexists100 2 weeks ago
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Sam is more fanatical in his unsupported and very generalizing views than the very religious fundamentalist he always attacking. He is really more religious than they are, but a different religion.
For any thinking Atheist, he is a liability to your cause. He is more of an entertainer than an intellectual.
I am not a fan of Hichens, but there is no contrast between the two.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
o my gOD, this is why i love sam harris... I'd say him and Hitch are really the best of the best in terms of popular atheist speakers/writers... just extraordinary
BEANPOLE111 3 weeks ago
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I believe that the universe and cosmos exists deep within the confines of Oprah Winfrey's rectum. How do you know that it doesn't? We may be microscopic matter living within the rectal orifice of another organism much larger than the cosmos we assume exists. The possibility exists??!?
lifeschild1 3 weeks ago
Science vs religion debate should be included in the Olympics, Sam would win a lot of gold medals.
spareaxe 3 weeks ago
Sam Harris is indeed the fastest man who ever lived. Let he who denies the divine speed of the Harris burn forever.
3234718 3 weeks ago
For those commenting - Onefodderunit is known troll. Just fyi.
devious21 3 weeks ago
Sam Harris, although not the arrogant champion of atheism like Hitchens, will ultimately do more good in showing reason to those who have yet to accept it.
inertiaMS 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Part 4
I certainly wouldn’t try to sweep it under the carpet by claiming it is just a bunch of week individuals. Today the church lacks the ability to torture and execute people accused of witchcraft (except in Africa) however the fraudulent practices of ‘faith healing’ ‘exorcism’ and just plain fraud are rampant within Christianity. Watch footage of a witch burning in Africa, it’s not just one or two people, it’s the entire village! Christianity is a wicked religion.
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion You forgot vile. It is a wicked and vile religion.
subgay 3 weeks ago
@subgay
Lol, True!
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion well, you have to take into account that these messages were written in the old testament for the hebrew/jewish people to heed, the messages of christianity are in the new testament, however i'm not saying that the old testament should be ignored entirely
personal opinion
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
In reference to the witch burning in Africa: This is what the spread of Christianity is doing in Nigeria! These people have been given bibles which to them to not suffer a witch to live and now they have divine permission to burn innocents.
Maybe they're misinterpreting the bible?
Of course they are! if there is a proper way to interpret the bible then it is as a bunch of fairy tales designed to get the children to sleep on a donkey ride to Jerusalem 2 millennia ago!
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion well, that situation to me sounds like a collision between Christianity and Voodoo, there could be a lot of confusion in Africa because of Christianity's (or foreigners') tendancy to be so constitutional, and the trouble is, their own religion/cult would look like a clear anti-thesis which is causing this problem, furthermore there seems to be some instability or ineffeciency in Africa's government to deal with the situation properly
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 the proper way to interpret the Bible is through one's own life experiences, in this era we have a newfound obsession with machines and digital graphics, and because we're constantly using them, those of us who are involved in this deeply have been out of touch with natural life (from my perspective)
the Bible is not for children, unless they are incredibly experienced or intelligent, beyond the comprehension of today's common people (in my personal opinion)
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Part 3
Not convinced?
Imagine this for me;
I am a member of the Caviler Spaniel Appreciation Society (CSAS) if I found out that the money I paid this group was being used by pedophiles and child rapists I would be outraged, if I found out that senior management had tried to cover up the rape of children by CSAS members and staff I would not defend the organization! I would quit, I would try and get my money back, I would testify against the CSAS.
TBC
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion i would do the same, but if my religion had some bad apples somewhere, i would do something to fix things from within the church
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Part 2
Well your now arguing with John Adams; but you are right (in one perspective) Christianity isn’t the worst religion EVER. The Aztecs had to rip out a beating heart just to make sure the sun rose the next day. HOWEVER the Aztecs have not affected the modern world as much as Christianity; How many people in Africa have AIDS because of the church’s insane idea that condoms are evil? Who will they spread the infection to? How many children have been raped by priests?
TBC
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion well, it's not necessarily christianity that caused the damage, people are responsible, bad people, being very irresponsible with their own power
actually, the main functin of condoms is to prevent skin contact between genitles, therefore preventing pregnancy, my question is, can't medical treatment just solve the infection instead of having to rely on condoms?
i'm just as disturbed as you with that last part, i think it's wrong, but they were probably atheists in disguise
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
I don't think I've ever read anything that was this detached from reality.
An army of atheists in disguise as priests molesting and raping children?
All in an effort to discredit the church???
Your imagination is quite disturbing!
you said in reference to AIDS: "can't medical treatment just solve the infection instead of having to rely on condoms?"
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Do you have a cure for AIDS?
even if you had the cure prevention would still be more effective!
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion that's not what i was saying, i meant that the so-called "priests" who are guilty of these sins may not really be men of faith, but more like men of opportunity (in my opinion)
well, they could just not do it at all, but okay. hopefully we will cure AIDS, but there is a reason why the catholic church is against condoms, it's a moral issue
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 in reference to the story of Abraham and pedo-priests
I am well aware that the angel stopped the blade at the last moment, my point was not that Abraham killed his son, but he DID pull a knife on his son and threaten to kill him, imagine if your father did that to you! Threatening to kill a child is still child abuse!
Why would you think that the priests were not men of faith? watch an interview with Father Oliver O'Grady he is both a man of faith and opportunity!
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion okay, point taken, but seeing as how they were in an era where the youth were potentially dangerous when they grow up, as in tyrant kind of dangerous, the hebrew people (the jews) i guess just didn't take any chances, or were enraged somewhat beyond reason by the oppression upon them
i don't understand people like oliver o'grady, that's just crossing the line and i can't respect it, because it's hypocracy!
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 In reference to condoms;
Do you believe as I believe that morality should be subject to our best understanding of reality? for example;
A psychotic believes that the planes flying over his house are actually an invading fleet of aliens, so he shoots them down. Clearly this man is delusional, statements such as ‘I was defending the human race against an alien attack’ are false and he should not be permitted to shoot at UFO’s. (PART 1)
TBC ...
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion well, there are supersticious folks who aren't necessarily insane
i think the reason why the catholic church refuses condoms as part of society is because it prevents normal mating between two partners/mates, though science is more health beneficial in this case, the catholic church is also right about the slight immorality in using condoms, then again it really depends on the people using them
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
Where is the ‘slight immorality’ in using condoms?
Is it that it is not “normal mating” between consenting adults?
Since when has normality had anything to do with morality?
-Being left handed isn’t normal but it isn’t immoral
-if most men drank beer we wouldn’t condemn the wine drinkers as being slightly immoral!
If the church cannot find a basis in reality for their prohibition on condoms then it is not a matter of morality, it is a matter of power and control.
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion no, because it's completely unatural
a wise man once said; "never does wisdom say one thing and nature another", i believe that being abnormal can be immoral if you're doing harm on purpose
there is nothing abnormal with being either handed
i don't know if drinking wine was ever considered immoral, unless the intent was becoming drunk then leading to violence
the church has, and the issue is child birth
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
Our best understanding or reality shows us that
- AIDS kills
-condoms stop the spread of AIDS
Ergo condoms can save lives!
Unless there is some basis in reality for any prohibition against condoms then the church is merely shooting at imaginary UFO’s, with very real consequences for the infected! (PART 2)
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
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@MrCraniumExplosion alright, i admit the catholic church does need to back off on this one, they still have a point, and it's not a delusional one
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
In reference to your claim that the priests and religious people who molest children are actually atheists in disguise.
If people who abuse children are atheists then would that make the Abraham of the bible an atheist as he clearly abused a child his son by pulling a knife on his son.
Just something to think about ...
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion well, i didn't mean that as a direct offence to the atheist community, just that i'm skeptical of the devotion and hence the intentions of these sinners
Abraham was tested by God to take the life of his own son to prove his faith and devotion, however before he could actually do it, he was halted, and commanded not to, because it was then revealed that it was all a test
however if you meant circumcision, well then, that's a rather controversial matter, in my opinion
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 This is a false made up story. Didn't God know what the result of Abraham's test would be? In other words, is it possible for us to SURPRISE God?
If not, then He knew what Abraham would do and then the "test" becomes more like sadistic toying with His creation.
No God worth worshiping would do that.
gatomjp 2 weeks ago
@gatomjp yeah well, that's the paradox between the Old Testament and the New Testament, the description of God differs between these two scriptures, which is why Jews reject Christian doctrine
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Part 1
Yes newton was a Christian, I have never denied this. He was also bat-shit crazy (a trait he shared in common with most of the Christian world!) Many great mathematicians and scientists were also bat-shit crazy, Pythagoras turned mathematics into a death cult and worshiped numbers! (Also where did I try to claim that I came up with the theory of gravity???)
“Christianity not the most bloody religion ever” …
TBC
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion i respect your freedom of expression, but i don't think newton was insane, there's a difference between insanity and instability in my opinion
i meant that you shouldn't disrespect his achievements and take them for granted, but if you are already capable of this and didn't mean to, then i apologize
btw, i don't think all christians are crazy, but have you ever heard of louis riel? i'm curious to know what you think of him
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
in reference to Newton OK, I will concede that he was unstable. I did not imply that his work on gravity was anything other then brilliant however it gives no credence to any other opinion or theory that he endorsed.
Of course not all Christians are crazy (you will have to forgive my emotive language; I here that Christians are particularly good at forgiveness)
I will talk about Louis briefly with an analogy
Assume that the war in Iraq is an unjust war ... (TBC)
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
Felix protests against the war
Now we do not necessary know why Felix is thinks this, he could believe;
1) Felix dosn't believe that you should kill for oil (somewhat admirable)
or
2) That infidels should not step on Muslim holly ground (detached from reality)
With Louis I see a man fighting for the rights of the native Canadians (which is good) but he is doing it because he believes that he is the divinely chosen leader of the Métis! (which is detached from reality)
MrCraniumExplosion 3 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion i don't necessarily see it as being detached from reality, just somewhat detatched from the purely logical perspective of reality, there is also the purely intuitive perspective of reality, our normal perspective of reality rests between the two
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
If the churches prohibition on condoms is not a matter of logic but of intuition then there is a grave problem within the church. Our intuitions are often subject to bias and not representative of reality (that is not to say that they have no place in moral reasoning) however they should be treated with skepticism and should certainly not be relied upon when making global policy decisions that affect the lives of billions of people!
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion on the contrary, it's the using of condoms that's being intuitive here, and the church being the logical one
condoms are made to keep people safe from HIV or AIDS, however the church doesn't fully trust condom-users because sometimes they're getting away with too much you know what, and the catholic church doesn't like it, because they grant marriage to couples
KatanaRapierCombo2 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2: Condoms; Part 1
"Never does wisdom say one thing and nature another"
In nature you do not see beavers wearing hard hats or using concrete to build a dam, is wearing a hard hat and using concrete un-natural and therefor unethical?
Wisdom tells me that my partner should not try to cannibalize me after mating. However in nature the female Praying Mantises idea of post colitis cuddling is to eat her partners face off!
-TBC
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2: Condoms; Part 2
Nature is littered with examples of species behaving in ways which are horrifying to us! This is why nature isn't a moral compass.
Appealing to nature in matters of ethics is known as the naturalistic fallacy, just because something is natural does not make it moral likewise just because something is unnatural does not make it immoral.
Ask yourself
Where is the harm in using condoms? Who gets hurt? Who is wronged?
Where are the victims of condom use?
TBC
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Condoms; Part 3
It matters not whether or not the catholic church likes what consenting adults do (even if they’re not married) what matters is that the catholic church is teaching generations of young minds that condoms spread AIDS and that they should never be used, this is a very real harm! [Also, what are condom users “getting away with?”]
Where is the logic in teaching generations of young people that condoms might make the AIDS crisis worse – Pope Benedict XVI
MrCraniumExplosion 2 weeks ago
@MrCraniumExplosion okay, this last part i wasn't aware of
the catholic church is concerned about the next generation, because they would like things to be more orthodox (i think ;)
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
In reference to condoms (again) what does it mean for the next generation to be orthodox and why is that good?
And in relation to the kalam argument that you were having with @Oceanus57 you could accept that there needed to be a first cause for all of the reality that we see (I'm not entirely convinced that this is the case but it is a reasonable assumption); however there is no reason to ascribe the properties of consciousness, trinity or awareness onto whatever it was!
MrCraniumExplosion 1 week ago
@MrCraniumExplosion it means that the people don't stray from their nature or naturality, and do incredibly stupid things that may hardly even be comprehensible for us today, the concept of growth and development without changes
it's debatable/arguable if it's good or bad, however why it could be good is that we may possibly spare ourselves any further abnormalities and damages to our essence of naturality, that may be incoming towards us that we're not aware of
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
"people don't stray from their nature or naturality, and do incredibly stupid things ..."
People who follow their "nature" (however you want to define that) already do stupid things, what is natural to humans is not necessary good!
"we may possibly spare ourselves any further abnormalities and damages to our essence of naturality, that may be incoming towards us that we're not aware of"
I can't make heads or tails of this statement! what is "incoming towards us?"
MrCraniumExplosion 1 week ago
@MrCraniumExplosion i know, but that doesn't mean we can't improve, see we humans haven't completely detatched ourselves from nature (assuming we could/have)
which is why a lot of religions are trying to point out a solution to our disgrace
our downfall, the point of no return, i'm not sure, who really knows?
KatanaRapierCombo2 1 week ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2
What disgrace?
What does going back to nature even mean?
-living in a mud-brick house and hunting deer with a spear?
Failing a major catastrophe we are not going back to the wild (and hence the point of no return has already passed)
What solution does religion try to offer?
Christianity teaches you that somebody was tortured and murdered for you!
Islam teaches that if you sin you will go to hell
How is this helping the human race? is this not a disgrace to us?
MrCraniumExplosion 1 week ago
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Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
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Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
I enjoy that, at 1:50 through 2:12, he makes the statement that our nature as humans is to want what we want when we want it is usually all we need to create and then believe un-testable ideas based on how we feel. Wishful thinking and self-deception are cunning, baffling, and powerful. I can really relate to that.
Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
How do you feel?
Are you happy, content, and at peace?
Are you free of fear?
Are you loved? Do you love others?
The universe doesn't care.
gillianorley 3 weeks ago
actually, science could be a reason to believe in God
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 No, the more someone knows of science the less reason there is to believe in god. That's a known fact. Toodles
splicedenergy 3 weeks ago
@splicedenergy not everyone agrees with this though
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 Agrees with what?
splicedenergy 3 weeks ago
@splicedenergy the said reply (what i'm replying to)
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
@KatanaRapierCombo2 I have no idea what you are replying to.
splicedenergy 3 weeks ago
@splicedenergy that's fair
KatanaRapierCombo2 3 weeks ago
Harris looks like he's hung over. Atheist faiths in chance creations and secret powers of inanimate matter to self-materialize, self-order into an infinite universe, and self-animate with life force are asininity extraordinaire.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Wow. That's a strawman if I ever heard one. Oh...let me try. Christians believe in an undead immortal omnipotent carpenter of a zombie with powers to heal and die on planks of wood after some toga wearing, trident wielding, bearded, all powerful, loving dad of his created all life before screwing up and deciding to make a burning pit of fire below our feet so he can eternally burn and torture his most beloved creations for eternity. They also believe the Earth is flat.
Ripley747 3 weeks ago
@Ripley747
Strawman, Atheist? If you don't have faith that matter self-materialized once, what do you believe materialized it?
If you don't have faith that matter once ordered itself into the infinite universe, what do you believe did?
If you don't have faith that matter animated itself with life once, what do you believe did?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit That is the most ridiculous excuse as an argument. Let's go back in time....Where did bright light in the sky come from? God. How did we get here? God. That is a logical fail. Your god of the gaps is pathetic. Ignorance is an excuse, stupidity is not.
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit You understand that is a difficult question to answer. First off, I'm not atheist, but I do value science and mathematics. To answer that question, it's best to study the math at a graduate level. That would take 10-15 years and 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars. The best vid I found on the subject looks like it was taken down but was a vid of Neil DeGrasse talking about the Big Bang. Here's another really good vid - watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo. It's long but worth it.
Ripley747 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Put simply there's a relationship between matter and energy and energy and matter can turn into each other. The energy came from equal parts of negative energy. This is according to the math. I know it's difficult but nothing "materialized" by itself.
Gravity pulls stuff together. If done enough, fusion takes place and larger molecules form. Nothing "ordered itself." It is what it is.
Abiogenesis isn't "animated matter." It's a complex process of organic molecular Rxn.
Ripley747 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Please understand, it's not a matter of faith. Nor is it my belief. It's what we can know based on the mathematics that describe the universe. If you study science, you'd know it doesn't take faith to know the definition of force. You don't need to believe what mC^2 is equal to. You don't even need to believe anything to understand the implications of gravity or relativity. You just need to study it. Same is true with the Big Bang and abiogenesis. I hope that helps.
Ripley747 3 weeks ago
@Ripley747
Your faith in Abiogenesis - belief that matter once conceived life - reveals you as a common Atheist. How amusing that you're compelled to deny being one.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit lol. "How amusing that you're compelled to deny being one." Um...I'm a theist because I believe in a God. Might want to look up that term. Faith? How so? And again, your strawman when you say, "belief that matter once conceived life." Organic chemistry doesn't really require belief. Allow me to return the strawman serve. Your ignorance on science reveals you to be a fanatical cult worshiping baby raping Christian extremist hypocrit. How's that for strawman arguments. Your turn.
Ripley747 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit No, you just have no idea what you are talking about, that's all. You don't understand Quantum physics so you just sit there and think that some creator is behind everything. You, sir, are asinine.
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028
In what way do you believe Quantum physics rationalizes your Atheist faith in order out of chaos?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Order out of chaos? Please explain. Know anything about entropy? It was very low in the early universe, it wasn't chaotic. Our current laws breakdown when we go back in time to the big bang, how does that rationalize some illogical being created us?
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028
You have confirmed your Atheist faith in the outdated theory of Big Bang.
How does space supposedly expand in space?
Order out of chaos and rejection of intelligence are Fundamentalist Materialist dogma.
Do you deny your faith that chance caused matter to self materialize once?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit The big bang happened, it's a fact. We know this because of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. I don't have time to teach a physics lesson on Youtube. Watch Lawrence Krauss 'A UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING'. That will explain it just fine, just because YOU do not understand something does not mean it isn't true. The universe is the way it is, whether we are here or not.
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028
It's saddening to break the news to you, Atheist, but your fantasy Bang was a dream. Background radiation is electromagnetic and that is a characteristic of plasma.
The visible universe is 99% plasma. Redshift isn't a factor of distance. You've been lied to. That's what you get for trusting TeeVee. Welcome to the 21st century.
To help you release your old world tie, explain how you envision space expanding in space?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Right. You don't seem educated. So please, explain to me these claims you so blindly are making. Plasma cosmology is a joke. Look up the math for worm holes, extreme energy in a small amount of SPACE will cause it to tear. It doesn't matter if you or I can "vision" it happening.
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
Redshifts are attributable to the Doppler effect, familiar in the changes in the apparent pitches of sirens and frequency of the sound waves emitted by speeding vehicles; an observed redshift due to the Doppler effect occurs whenever a light source moves away from an observer. Cosmological redshift is seen due to the expansion of the universe, and sufficiently distant light sources show redshift corresponding to the rate of increase of their distance from Earth. Come again?
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028 Don't bother with onefodderunit, he's immune to rationalism. He's one of those conspiracy/creationist/nazi/NWO/chemtrail freaks. You'll just turn blue in the face and he'll remain just as obstinately ignorant. Save your breath.
AtheistRex 3 weeks ago
@AtheistRex Yes, no doubt. Appreciate that lol, it's obvious he has NO idea what he is talking about. Can't answer a question but only ask them. Fail.
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028 Don't bother with onefodderunit, he's immune to rationalism. He's one of those conspiracy/creationist/nazi/NWO/chemtrail freaks. You'll just turn blue in the face and he'll remain just as obstinately ignorant. Save your breath.
AtheistRex 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028 Don't bother with onefodderunit, he's immune to rationalism. He's one of those conspiracy/creationist/nazi/NWO/chemtrail freaks. You'll just turn blue in the face and he'll remain just as obstinately ignorant. Save your breath.
AtheistRex 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028
You are repeating the lie about redshift. Points in space which have different redshift values have been shown to be at the same distances by Halton Arp. The universe is electric, Atheist.
Explain how you imagine space expanding in space? How many times are you going to have to be asked. Describe the boundary of space expanding in space as you imagine it
?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit You are a moron. You are in the same category as people who believe in BIG FOOT or the Loch Ness monster. You are a logical fail, and a disgrace to the human species. Your one time on this planet earth has been wasted and I feel sorry for you. It's not about what YOU BELIEVE, it's about what WE KNOW. ;)
ironlung1028 3 weeks ago
@ironlung1028
You lie like an Atheist. No soul, no integrity. You're incapable of admitting your faith that matter self materialized, once.
You also have faith in the outdated theory of Big Bang, but you can't begin to explain how space supposedly expands in space.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit lol. I like how you call the Big Bang Theory "outdated." As if the 6 day literal creation is SOO much more modern. That's actually pretty funny. lol.
Ripley747 3 weeks ago
@Ripley747
Ridiculing the faith of others doesn't rationalize your own, Atheist.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit PS. The Big Bang Theory was propose by a Theist...
bobthechipmonk 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit I know you think you're fighting God's battle against Satan. And I know you think God wants you to fight this battle. I suspect you even think you're a valued soldier in this battle. (either that or you're a troll, it's hard to tell). Yet, everything I've seen you write does nothing more than push people away from Christianity. Congrats for FedExing my soul straight to hell. That's true Christian compassion. No wonder Atheism is growing like it is. Nice job!
Ripley747 3 weeks ago
@Ripley747
I don't belong to a religion and believe in reincarnation.
The Atheist faith that chance created the universe and life is counter scientific. Chance is chaotic. It's disorder. Order comes from intelligence.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Then I guess every time someone wins the lottery, it must be intelligent design for them, too.
This is why rational people laugh at you.
Damarcast 3 weeks ago
@Damarcast
I have no idea how lotteries are rigged.
Atheist faith in chance creations and rejection of intelligence is irrational.
Chance is chaotic, the opposite of order. Order in the universe and nature is evidence of intelligence. Atheists have a fundamental issue with intelligence.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I just read your name, I remember you.
Guys don't respond to this dbag, he is a troll. I remember him trolling the shit out of some other videos.
He will constantly ask questions and when answered jump to the next topic, but will refuse to answer or even address any point of yours, as he just did with my point about the lottery.
TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!
Damarcast 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Seriously bro are you so sad all you do is troll youtube all day? wtf lolz.
Damarcast 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit "Atheists have a fundamental issue with intelligence."
Wow. What an absolutely _gripping_ argument, even when it is taken in context.
By that rational, they're not to blame for being too stupid to own what they say. Just ignore them and move on, for how can one have a battle of wits with an unarmed atheist? Why would you beat your head against the wall in wanting to engage with such folk?
-or-
Are you just here to call people stupid? If so, congrats. Mission Accomplished!
Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
@Feistycadaver
Orderly, functional systems in the universe and nature are evidence that they are creations of intelligence. Atheist Orthodox rejection of intelligence speaks for itself.
If you're not comprehending the message, it's not an external problem.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit "Orderly, functional systems in the universe and nature are evidence that they are creations of intelligence"
Got it. By this breathtaking, profound statement, you have forever changed my opinions and views on the universe, and I now accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior, thus absolving me of ever questioning anything else regarding creationism/ID ever again. How stupid it was of me to ever conceive otherwise.
*whew* That was close. Was almost damned for a second there.
Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
@Feistycadaver
That's the problem with religion. People tend to stop questioning the nature and purpose of existence.
In the Atheist faith, the nature of the universe and life is that each is purposeless, unintended byproduct of chance.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit It is your and religion's problem that you feel diminished in some way that we _may_ be products of chance.
It is humbling in a way that religion doesn't allow.
For any religion to claim a monopoly on truth is, as Sam states elsewhere, the very definition of narcissism. Narcissism can be defined as, "inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity"
Pride. The bane of all religions. How does one overcome this? Claim a monopoly on pride, thus making it okay.
Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
@Feistycadaver
I'm not religious, Atheist. Were I Christian or Muslim, I wouldn't lie about it.
It's OK to lie and deny one's religion in Judaism. Do you suspect I'm a Jew?
Rejection of intelligence in creation of the universe and life is Atheist Orthodoxy.
Sam Harris is a preacher and deceiver pushing faith as science and telling children that their lives were never meant to be.
Sam Harris is a professional life cheapener.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Okay, you're throwing Atheist around as if it were a naughty word. You know nothing about me or my belief in God, so we can call you out on that.
I'll call myself out on all assumptions about you as well. Clean slate.
So, I gather that you believe strongly in Divine Intelligence in creation of the universe and claim those who don't are Atheists. Can we say this is true?
Your take on Sam's consistent message appears to be one of resentment and outrage. I get that, so be it.
Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit You are a sad person and just reading your comment makes me think that you might want to seek professional medical assistance for brain defects.
whitefire1997 3 weeks ago
@Feistycadaver
It's amusing when Atheists argue fanatically that life was never meant to be, and pretend it's scientific to put faith in inanimate matter once conceiving life.
Can't help but feel bad for the offspring of you hopeless, soulless bastards though.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Feel as bad as you want. Your response reeks of self-righteous lack of humility, which only proves my point even more.
So your heaven will be less crowded without my and my offspring's damned souls. What do you care?
Feistycadaver 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Can't help but feel bad for your offspring that have to grow up with a parent that still has an imaginary friend. Yelling "you don't have an answer for how life began" is not evidence for another answer. It's like me claiming I have a fucking miniature space clown hidden in the palm of my hand that you can't sense and then when you ask to prove it I say "prove I don't? Haha, you can't so it must be true".
Of course using common sense on your argument is clearly beyond you.
DarkBunnyLord 3 weeks ago