@yamytrav Big shit lol, I've tryed tons of sled and the phazer was one of them, Good machine, Doesnt take much gaz, But a BIG lack of power! A 600 smoke this without problem
At high elevation is where the turbo shines vs NA 2 stroke or 4. Your NA 2stroke at sea level might make 170hp..... 9000ft probably 130ish. with a turbo you can gain or have the same power at elevation.
Four strokes are the future if you wanna ride a sled that weighs 80 to 100 pounds more than my sled, and you gotta spend 5 grand on a turbo on top of the 12000 dollar price tag. Just to be able to beat me up the hill.
1: theres upto each and every person to choose a sled he/she likes, true, true, 2-Strokes required more money to maintain because they break down every 5000 miles. but if they choose to like it, so be it, its up to that person.
2: why the hell do u guys even bother to argue about the diffrence from 2-strokes and 4-strokes, its proved, 4-strokes are the future, thats it.
who really likes the ...braaaaaeeeeeieiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeiiiiiiii..... of the PFFFFT strokes, after you ride a YAMAHA four stroke. nobody complains bout my RX-1 smell or lack there of when they are tryin to catch me, just all of the rest behind each other...hahaha
who really likes the ...braaaaaeeeeeieiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeiiiiiiii..... of the PFFFFT strokes, after you ride a YAMAHA four stroke. nobody complains bout my RX-1 smell or lack there of when they are tryin to catch me, just all of the rest behind each other
4 strokes are the future, 2 stokes are light and snappy but u can crank out serious power with 4 stroke(turbo) and it'll last 8 times as long. and after all isnt reliable hp what everyone wants
Everyone posting here seems to be forgetting that this motor with a turbo will last 3 times as long as its stock 2 stroke counterparts. I ride 2-stroke and love it however if they can keep making 4strokes lighter and with more power i'll be switching soon. Who wants to rebuild every 5000 miles..... I know I know settle down, you can get 10,000 miles out of your 600, good luck getting more than 4000 miles out of your 800 mtn sled before rebuild
I have a supercharged Nytro and love it. I would like to get a MCX turbo kit for my wife's phazer. After walking this video I would like one even more. IMO all sled need more power. I ride my friends 800's and feel like they need more HP. This includes the skidoos, cats and polaris. They can't keep up when climbing with me. I try to get them to turbo their sleds but they don't because they are afraid of blowing an engine. One large benefit of the 4 stroke. More reliable engines.
@DMann51 That is Nick from Vernon Yamaha on the Phazer. It was grudge match at the Big Iron shoot out in Revelstoke. Think what you want. I watched it live....
@barachoisboy , ok ill take you word for it, its only because the phazer weighs less, and i will admit ,those phazers are awesome sleds! check out my vids on my channel, if u havnt already!
0-100K those turbo Phazers are wild. Even non-turbo'd their torque is very impressive. Of course the 800's would catch up and pass him past 80-100k no question. Nice video.
Im pretty sure you cant just throw a turbo on any 2 choke...itd lean out and blow up...and the strokes are way different so the turbo would just blow boost right out the exaust.
@wileyman500 just need to re-jet the carb is all. just like you do on 4 strokes. even if it is efi, you should get it tuned and in most cases the injection length needs to be increased.
Im pretty sure you cant just throw a turbo on any 2 choke...itd lean out and blow up...and the strokes are way different so the turbo would just blow boost right out the exaust..
sorry spo, but c3 wins that arguement. If 4 strokes don't take effect you won't see snowmobiles in national parks in a decade, and ousted from prov/state parks soon after. The 2 stroke does more harm then good for the environment of the vehicle. Why else would every brand make a 4 stroke sled, independent suspension could have been a Arctic Cat fad in the 90s, but you don't see trailing arms now do ya?
I personally find it funny how all the 2 stroke guys complain how the phazer is "turbo'd" and that it has "twice the money invested, so it should win". so what is ur point? they are similar HP numbers when compared in this video, and the phazer is about the same weight as an 800 2 stroke. The 2 stroke guys need to get over yourselves and just admit that the 4 stroke won! no need to get bent over the details. you win some, you lose some. period
@ZRT600Rider put a turbo on a two strokes and see who's rebuilding their engine every race. try to push 22 pounds through a 2 stroke, and make 465 hp. not that reliable. 4-strokes ftw.
@ZRT600Rider, the 4strokes still!! As all those boosted 2 strokes would be blown apart like the weak little think wall castings they are. 2 strokes are those who can't count to 4!
whoah a turbo beat bone stock 2-stokes tht hard to beleive how bout we get a stock four stroke and a stock two stroke then we'll see whos talkin smack
The two stroke guys are getting sour ha ha! I have had a turbo phazer for 3 years with thousands of miles on it and it works as good as the day I built it. Don't hate us, we like boost! besides can't we all get along LMFAO!!!!!!
@nikstiks the nytro race sleds are within 15 pounds of every other snocross sled besides the ski-doo, which its outweighs by 40 pounds.. not 100. and if you are a good enough rider, you can get a "heavy" 4 stroke to keep up with any other sled on the trail, and up the hill. modded or not
fuck you with out a turbo your yammerdog would be useless in the mountains that's gay that you have to mod your machine to make it worthwhile typical yamaha faggots
Ok 4 stroke race bike (dirtbikes) r so much less reliable then a 2 stroke it might have more bottom end but the 2t kills with top. And thoughs turbo sleds r only good for going up steep stuff and over heat with turbos. two stroke sleds r way better overall except for the few days were a turbo might out perform but it depends wat u like to ride.
@enjoisk8er543 obviously you know nothing. i race mx and i own both 2 stroke and 4 stroke. 4 strokes are way more reliable than 2 strokes! 4 strokes hardly blow a top end or a crank, but 2 strokes are lucky if you get half a season on them.
i agre i loved my 2 stroke but when i steped up to a new turbo 4 storke yamaha it is better just plain better ya sure it is heavier but the new nytro is only 22lbs heiver then its competeiter and with a turbo it has the same if not bettter hp to weight ratio and a 4 stroke handles a turbo alot better then a 2
It's all about how you build it initially. Lot's of 4-strokes are built to handle turbocharging. 2-strokes are not. If you use the same design techniques and materials then the 2-stroke will be able to handle boost. 2-stroke diesels for example last millions of miles on high boost.
The other side is a N/A 1000cc 2t will keep up with a turbo 4t before the 4t becomes a time bomb.
Also a Nytro weighs 620lbs full of fuel and a RevXP 800 weighs 528lbs with 20hp more. That is a 92lb difference.
@c3h9e4v7y 4 strokes sleds are 100 pounds too heavy. That is not the future. Clean 2-strokes are the only way to keep snowmobiling fun. This video is lame, of course a heavily modded sled can beat stock. How long is the crankshaft going to last on a heavy turbo 11,000 RPM 500cc 4-stroke? Like 2 days.
i bet that turbo phaser weighs 60-80 lbs less than the other sleds it raced. I rode a Rx-1 a buddy a mine had last winter and it was the fastest sled i have ever ridden, compared to XC 800's and MXZ 800's. 4 strokes ARE the future whether you 2 smokes want to admit it or not!
@spo123328 a fad ? are you fucking retarted? whats in all of the cars on the roads today.. 4 strokes you fucking idiot, if 2 strokes made more power with better emissions dont you think all our cars would be 2 strokes, you may think you know what your talking about but i can assure you you dont,
@spo123328.... Don't believe all the bs that ski doo says.... How do 2 strokes make better power? 4 strokes have a much broader power band, and the initial cost of a 4 stroke maybe more then a 2 stroke, but the 4 stroke will use less oil, less gas, and needs less maintenance, so in the long run they are cheaper.
@dragoncustomcycles 2 strokes are cheaper to rebuild, but you shouldn't have to rebuild a 4 stroke, because the rest of the sled will fall apart first. So 4 strokes really are cheaper to maintain.
@MnDeerHunter09 lol no. the 4 strokes they put into sleds and dirtbikes are high output,high horspower and high rpm. they need to get rebuilt.
4 stroke dirtbikes need re-builds every 80 hrs. im not to sure on the re build times on 4 stroke sleds as i have never looked into one. but they will need re-builds and constant valve matnance.
@dragoncustomcycles Yes they need to be rebuilt, but not until you put around 18,000 miles on them. By then most sleds are trashed anyways. 4 strokes are cheaper to maintain its plain and simple. Think of all the money you save with a 4 stroke, probably wont have to rebuild to motor, less gas, and less oil.
I would check your stuff again "kc" because four srokes are alot more reliable and can handle more boost, we run ours on 14lbs of boost on premium fuel and two strokes run like 4lbs and are alot less reliable
this race has taken place many times.. once you get to no limits with the mods, 4 stroke yamaha sleds have set every record available to them, whether 500ft grass, 1/8 and 1/4 mile asphalt, and even top speed records
A 2-stroke fires twice as often as a 4-stroke = twice the power. Throw in the same boost and the power rises the same.
The reason for 4-stroke use is the sleds can be sold for more profit so they are advertised more. AND the 4-strokes, up until recently, have had better emissions and fuel economy.
Also race classes allow bigger 4-strokes. You see 600cc vs 1000cc. Fair? NO.
Put equal development and displacement and 2-strokes rule.
Compare actual high strung engines. Dirt Bikes. A 250cc 2-stroke makes the same power that a 450cc 4-stroke makes. AND the 2-Strokes kick the 4-Strokes ass in reliability.
The fact is 2-stroke stomp 4-strokes in power while still maintaining reliability.
So yes, make a turbo 1000cc 2-stroke and a turbo 1000cc 4-stroke and the 2-stroke will make more power, weigh less, and be far more reliable.
Since when was a 2 stoke motocross bike more reilable than a 4 stoke??? I have a CR250R, i have to rebuild it every year after race season. the Rings and piston are alway beat to fuck, My CRF450 Is still perfect. and they are much more reliable if you know how to maintain them. Oh and a news fash for ya, an average 250 twostroke makes roughly 10 HP less than the average 450 . You need to Check the facts kid. I know this shit, i Work with it EVERY DAY. Dont argue with me.
You are funny. In reality, racers often rebuild 4-strokes every race, not season. A CRF450R makes 48hp. Maico's 250MX makes 54hp.
I have always been a 4-stroke guy but since the new 4-stroke started blowing up every other race ($2000 rebuild) I switched to supporting 2-strokes that last a season ($300 rebuild)
And in a fair race 250cc vs 250cc name one 4-stroke that will match a 2-stroke?
they dont rebuild 4 strokes every race buddy haha, and We put a stock CRF on our Dyno jet dyno and it made a clean 53 hp. My CR250R makes 42hp with mild jetting and piped. I would like to see a maico 250 mx make 54 hp. mabee with a shot of NOS! lol
Any modern Motocross 4 stroke 450 will out perform a modern 250 twostroke. period. (Engine wise anyway). If your blowin up a 4 stoke every other race, it's either a piece of shit or you dont know what your doing.
I have read the most recent 450F test and they dyno'd the bikes themselves. The lowest was the CRF450R with 46.5hp. The highest was the Kawasaki at 48.9hp.
I don't doubt your CR250 makes 42hp. It was designed 10 years ago. But the Maico is a brand new engine and dynos have seen 54hp. Dynos have also seen KTM 300XCs making 57hp.
I never said a current 250 will outperform a 450. The problem is there is NO modern 2-stroke. Are you going to deny that a modern 500 will SMOKE a modern 450F? Or that a 250 2-stroke will beat a 250 4-stroke? KTM's 150SX recently outlapped the KX250F from 4 different riders.
Your problem is you compare 10 year old 2-strokes to new 4-strokes with double the displacement.
what is your point in a modern 2 stroke what else can you do to a 2 stroke? i mean it has really starteed to come to an end even ski doo is not coming out with 4 stroke models
Oh and Maico or ATK what ever you wanna call em, Died back in 87 they were out dated and slow compared to the japanese bikes, they are back now but a very small company, and as far as i know they still arnt up to snuff with jap bikes..
And it is a widely known fact that modern MX 4-strokes have dropped all reliability and racers rebuild their engines every couple races. While those on 2-strokes will only have to do a top end rebuild once or twice a season.
Shoe me a turboed 1,000 cc 2-stroke that won't grenade itself into a million pieces and I just might buy one. I agree with you on 2 strokes being easier for the racer but for the average rider it's pretty hard to beat the ease and fuel economy of the 4 banger.
That's assuming you leave out modern technology just making its entrance to snowmobiling. Example Ski-Doo's new 600 E-Tec. As much power as a Yamaha 1050(across the whole range) and gets better fuel mileage. (21mpg vs 18mpg).
try the thorottle pull the ski doo espicaly the 800 backcountry you need to have a thumb strength building corse to use it..... extreamily heavy almost hurts after a while
well it was a while ago this one was a friends and he had it moded but i dont know of any thing that would effect the throttle pull but i am not sure i can ask him if he put somthing in that could have done that
All I know about reliability is that an equally equipped 2-stroke will be more reliable because the engines have longer strokes, bigger pistons, less compression, and less RPM.
That is exactly how it is in boating and dirt bikes. Maybe no one has put any development into 2-strokes in snowmobiling but if they did they would have the same results. Including turbos.
ok ski doo doesnt suck all manufacturers in my opinion have made a good sled but yamaha and ski doo are the top 2 i personally like yamaha but i wouldnt pass up a chance to ride a 03' mach z 1000 but i would ride a yamaha fx nytro b4 any sled in the world besides a 1978 yamaha ssr or a alouette super
my friend have a mcx 07 phazer... more work than play... keep breaking down 3-4 times a year... and still get beat by stock 800 2strokes... I would buy a 4stroke sled with stock turbo... warranty rules for normal peopel......
the cars and trucks you drive are all 4 strokes,if 2 smokes were it they would be in your cars and trucks,its all about torque,you don't see gas powered SEMI'S do you!! i have 2 smokes and i have 4 strokes just my thought thats all.always grab a handfull!!
Sick Phazer for sure, but invest the same money as that turbo cost into mods on any of them two strokes and it probably would be a whole new ball game. Not at all anti 4-stroke, but to modify a sled that much and compare it to stock ones isn't realistic.
the turbo phazer is dynoed at 140 hp, 92 torque, 515 lbs and the 2006 800 skidoo is 140.6, 92 torque hp, 478 lbs. but the phazer still beat it. that shows you weight and hp isn't everything
ya its obviously not stock, so race mod 2 strokes then see. I dont have anything against 4 strokes cuz they go forever, they just arent good for ice racing, snocross, or mountain riding. Im all about speed so I go with the xp800
Im not gunna lie im a 2 stroke fan but the new 4 strokes yammy are comin out with after u put a turbo in them they are awesome hill climbers but you still dont see them hitting drops or gaps in the mountains.
I'll ride a two stroke sled as long as they make 'em... like i ride a two stroke dirtbike... that, for some reason, also takes down bigger fourstrokes - in the mountains.
alright... you're right. the phazer can go better - straight up a hill. Makes for great video.
But i don't see anyone even trying to ride them (4strokes) in the mountains at 10,000 feet here in CO. All I see are two strokes, that pound the [wannabe] fourstrokes into powder - supercharger or not.
any mod 2 stroke could keep up with a mod 4 stroke, try to race apples to apples next time. Plus that one guys right, you dont see 4 strokes in slednecks, or any good videos.
Lol i love this vid!! i have a turbo nytro mtx-MCX- and my wife has an 08 phazer mountain lite with turbo also, and it funny seeing her out climb guys on the hill. Four strokes are the future!!! how can you argue 260 horse reliable nytro on pump gas???
yea sure u can say phazer is good but without the turbo its not shit i asked this guy up the mountain he said if he didnt have turbo he wouldnt have bought that thing for shit and he still says turbo isnt as good as he thought it was and it costed to much aswell
Everyone gets 15,000 miles out of their turbo Apex's. Turbo Phazers can still expect 10,000 miles before rebuild. Plus everyone's putting 151" tracks with 2.313" lugs on these turbo Phazers, which makes a huge difference.
how big of two strokes
RifleRockMafia 4 days ago
I have a stock 07 phazer with a 151 track and I can turn it better then a 600 2stroke with a 136
yamytrav 4 weeks ago
@yamytrav proud of yourself? haha
RobinsonKent 2 days ago
@yamytrav Big shit lol, I've tryed tons of sled and the phazer was one of them, Good machine, Doesnt take much gaz, But a BIG lack of power! A 600 smoke this without problem
maxence134 1 day ago
my phazer turbo is amazing i dont use it alot since i got my rev but when i do i get good air
rielydeveau 3 months ago
At high elevation is where the turbo shines vs NA 2 stroke or 4. Your NA 2stroke at sea level might make 170hp..... 9000ft probably 130ish. with a turbo you can gain or have the same power at elevation.
john0270 3 months ago
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john0270 3 months ago
Four strokes are the future if you wanna ride a sled that weighs 80 to 100 pounds more than my sled, and you gotta spend 5 grand on a turbo on top of the 12000 dollar price tag. Just to be able to beat me up the hill.
faweebus 5 months ago
well obviously it won, your racing a gay doo and polaris
newftyler 5 months ago
turbo against stock lets see the phazer beat it stock then who loughing
lightfoot1010 7 months ago
here im comming with a big brainstorm for ya'll.
1: theres upto each and every person to choose a sled he/she likes, true, true, 2-Strokes required more money to maintain because they break down every 5000 miles. but if they choose to like it, so be it, its up to that person.
2: why the hell do u guys even bother to argue about the diffrence from 2-strokes and 4-strokes, its proved, 4-strokes are the future, thats it.
bardukus 9 months ago
IF YOU AIN'T MIXIN GAS YOU AIN'T KICKEN ASS!
207445 10 months ago 4
4 stroke FTW!!
kemailo92 11 months ago
smoke RULES 2 stokes rule sounds better
minid0nuts 11 months ago
who really likes the ...braaaaaeeeeeieiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeiiiiiiii..... of the PFFFFT strokes, after you ride a YAMAHA four stroke. nobody complains bout my RX-1 smell or lack there of when they are tryin to catch me, just all of the rest behind each other...hahaha
cotyke 1 year ago
who really likes the ...braaaaaeeeeeieiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeiiiiiiii..... of the PFFFFT strokes, after you ride a YAMAHA four stroke. nobody complains bout my RX-1 smell or lack there of when they are tryin to catch me, just all of the rest behind each other
cotyke 1 year ago
the 2 strokes sound like a bunch of cats
IanBudgep51 1 year ago
4 strokes are the future, 2 stokes are light and snappy but u can crank out serious power with 4 stroke(turbo) and it'll last 8 times as long. and after all isnt reliable hp what everyone wants
keeksta1 1 year ago
Everyone posting here seems to be forgetting that this motor with a turbo will last 3 times as long as its stock 2 stroke counterparts. I ride 2-stroke and love it however if they can keep making 4strokes lighter and with more power i'll be switching soon. Who wants to rebuild every 5000 miles..... I know I know settle down, you can get 10,000 miles out of your 600, good luck getting more than 4000 miles out of your 800 mtn sled before rebuild
jimbomb1000 1 year ago
Lol, Turbo vs original, how pathetic :).
Heenstroom 1 year ago
Its like the sheep mama in the front and the sheep babyes in the back :D
elc0n 1 year ago
yamaha snowmobiles suck real snowmobilers drive arctic cat
MegaDylan19 1 year ago
I've owned 3 and every single one was a piece of shit.
Polaris and Ski-Doo (BRP) forever
bigorangetrucker 1 year ago
I have a supercharged Nytro and love it. I would like to get a MCX turbo kit for my wife's phazer. After walking this video I would like one even more. IMO all sled need more power. I ride my friends 800's and feel like they need more HP. This includes the skidoos, cats and polaris. They can't keep up when climbing with me. I try to get them to turbo their sleds but they don't because they are afraid of blowing an engine. One large benefit of the 4 stroke. More reliable engines.
79croc 1 year ago
i am soooooo happy that i'm going to buy i phazer! :D
WhysSing 1 year ago 2
ok ,ill take your word for it
DMann51 1 year ago
not necessarily trick photography, but i think he got his buds to let him win,, but i could be wrong.. you know what im trying to say
DMann51 1 year ago
@DMann51 That is Nick from Vernon Yamaha on the Phazer. It was grudge match at the Big Iron shoot out in Revelstoke. Think what you want. I watched it live....
johnpiccolodotca 1 year ago
@DMann51 you can hear those two strokes wound the heck out man you can't fake that stuff.....they were right to the handle...just listen to it.
barachoisboy 1 year ago
@barachoisboy , ok ill take you word for it, its only because the phazer weighs less, and i will admit ,those phazers are awesome sleds! check out my vids on my channel, if u havnt already!
DMann51 1 year ago
im pretty sure this vid was rigged, i know my sleds, and that ski-doo would smoke that phazer.
DMann51 1 year ago
@DMann51 sure.... must be Trick Photography right..???
johnpiccolodotca 1 year ago
i hate yamaha, the sound of the 4 stroke engine is so freaking bad!
mrjounezzz 1 year ago
@mrjounezzz the sound of a 2 stroke is annoying , 4 strokes sound proper
c3h9e4v7y 1 year ago
0-100K those turbo Phazers are wild. Even non-turbo'd their torque is very impressive. Of course the 800's would catch up and pass him past 80-100k no question. Nice video.
mikemichaelwalters 1 year ago
haha, the dude on phazer's left had a rolling start too. how much hp is it putting out and what kinda turbo?
lifeinthalberg 1 year ago
Im pretty sure you cant just throw a turbo on any 2 choke...itd lean out and blow up...and the strokes are way different so the turbo would just blow boost right out the exaust.
wileyman500 1 year ago
@wileyman500 you are wrong sir. you can just simply put a turbo on a 2 stroke just as you can a 4 stroke.
dragoncustomcycles 1 year ago
@dragoncustomcycles so the extra airflow wont lean it out?
wileyman500 1 year ago
@wileyman500 just need to re-jet the carb is all. just like you do on 4 strokes. even if it is efi, you should get it tuned and in most cases the injection length needs to be increased.
dragoncustomcycles 1 year ago
Im pretty sure you cant just throw a turbo on any 2 choke...itd lean out and blow up...and the strokes are way different so the turbo would just blow boost right out the exaust..
wileyman500 1 year ago
sorry spo, but c3 wins that arguement. If 4 strokes don't take effect you won't see snowmobiles in national parks in a decade, and ousted from prov/state parks soon after. The 2 stroke does more harm then good for the environment of the vehicle. Why else would every brand make a 4 stroke sled, independent suspension could have been a Arctic Cat fad in the 90s, but you don't see trailing arms now do ya?
Jaggeh33 1 year ago
@Jaggeh33 that is bs. i have 2 stroke boat motors. 3 star emitions, the first ever motor to get 3 stars. out of any 2 and 4 stroke.
sleds and dirtbikes just simply have to switch to direct injection for 2 stroke. and they will be just as if not cleaner then 4 strokes.
dragoncustomcycles 1 year ago
I personally find it funny how all the 2 stroke guys complain how the phazer is "turbo'd" and that it has "twice the money invested, so it should win". so what is ur point? they are similar HP numbers when compared in this video, and the phazer is about the same weight as an 800 2 stroke. The 2 stroke guys need to get over yourselves and just admit that the 4 stroke won! no need to get bent over the details. you win some, you lose some. period
hartleracing 1 year ago
of course the turbo won. When you have probably twice as much money into a sled as compared to another you should win
bigstudtommy93 1 year ago
put a turbo on the 2 strokes then see who wins
ZRT600Rider 1 year ago 7
@ZRT600Rider ... You do realize that the Phazer is only 500cc's... so lets see a race between a turbo 2 stroke and a turboed nytro and see who wins
MnDeerHunter09 1 year ago
@ZRT600Rider put a turbo on a two strokes and see who's rebuilding their engine every race. try to push 22 pounds through a 2 stroke, and make 465 hp. not that reliable. 4-strokes ftw.
TheRedSled97 4 months ago
@TheRedSled97 NO way in HELL are you pushing 22 pounds of boost any snowmobile unless you have a built motor.
39cummins 3 months ago
@ZRT600Rider, the 4strokes still!! As all those boosted 2 strokes would be blown apart like the weak little think wall castings they are. 2 strokes are those who can't count to 4!
weldinggod1 1 month ago 3
fake!!!!!!!
bunesboys 1 year ago
whoah a turbo beat bone stock 2-stokes tht hard to beleive how bout we get a stock four stroke and a stock two stroke then we'll see whos talkin smack
daleyracingteam 1 year ago
The two stroke guys are getting sour ha ha! I have had a turbo phazer for 3 years with thousands of miles on it and it works as good as the day I built it. Don't hate us, we like boost! besides can't we all get along LMFAO!!!!!!
3178bruce 1 year ago
tht phazer has a turbo duh its going to win if it was stock those two strokes the 2 strokes would have killed tht phazer.
marinecamando 1 year ago
your a fuckin idiot. yamahas are shit, they look so ugly and then sound like some one droppin a huge shit.
ferraroproductions 1 year ago
ha ha ha suffer two smokes :)
nikstiks 1 year ago
@nikstiks the nytro race sleds are within 15 pounds of every other snocross sled besides the ski-doo, which its outweighs by 40 pounds.. not 100. and if you are a good enough rider, you can get a "heavy" 4 stroke to keep up with any other sled on the trail, and up the hill. modded or not
hartleracing 1 year ago
@hartleracing ummm I totally agree, I ride a 07 apex mtn and a 07 phazer and ride 9 months of the year in two different countries.
nikstiks 1 year ago
fuck you with out a turbo your yammerdog would be useless in the mountains that's gay that you have to mod your machine to make it worthwhile typical yamaha faggots
nouseforausername794 1 year ago
fuck you you have to use a turbo ur a fag
nouseforausername794 1 year ago
i like it because it doesn't sound like a duck unlike most 2 strokes
kitekunisaki2000 2 years ago
Ok 4 stroke race bike (dirtbikes) r so much less reliable then a 2 stroke it might have more bottom end but the 2t kills with top. And thoughs turbo sleds r only good for going up steep stuff and over heat with turbos. two stroke sleds r way better overall except for the few days were a turbo might out perform but it depends wat u like to ride.
enjoisk8er543 2 years ago
@enjoisk8er543 obviously you know nothing. i race mx and i own both 2 stroke and 4 stroke. 4 strokes are way more reliable than 2 strokes! 4 strokes hardly blow a top end or a crank, but 2 strokes are lucky if you get half a season on them.
burtonkid92 1 year ago 2
thats a fair race. seriously. a 140 hp phazer vs 154 hp 2 strokes.
1podborochynski 2 years ago 17
@1podborochynski wrong, the phazer is turboed, at least it sounds like it
the4halves 8 months ago
@the4halves thats what i said, a stock phazer is 80hp
1podborochynski 7 months ago
yet if the two strokes had turbos they would killl it
xXBRAAAAAAAAPXx 2 years ago
i like the 2 stroke snap , but lets face it 4 stroke is the future
c3h9e4v7y 2 years ago 38
i agre i loved my 2 stroke but when i steped up to a new turbo 4 storke yamaha it is better just plain better ya sure it is heavier but the new nytro is only 22lbs heiver then its competeiter and with a turbo it has the same if not bettter hp to weight ratio and a 4 stroke handles a turbo alot better then a 2
snowmofrk13 2 years ago
It's all about how you build it initially. Lot's of 4-strokes are built to handle turbocharging. 2-strokes are not. If you use the same design techniques and materials then the 2-stroke will be able to handle boost. 2-stroke diesels for example last millions of miles on high boost.
The other side is a N/A 1000cc 2t will keep up with a turbo 4t before the 4t becomes a time bomb.
Also a Nytro weighs 620lbs full of fuel and a RevXP 800 weighs 528lbs with 20hp more. That is a 92lb difference.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
@c3h9e4v7y 4 strokes sleds are 100 pounds too heavy. That is not the future. Clean 2-strokes are the only way to keep snowmobiling fun. This video is lame, of course a heavily modded sled can beat stock. How long is the crankshaft going to last on a heavy turbo 11,000 RPM 500cc 4-stroke? Like 2 days.
Beaxch 1 year ago
@Beaxch Actually the longevity of the 4 stroke sleds are greater than the 2 stroke sleds.
BigManlyMan4 1 year ago
i bet that turbo phaser weighs 60-80 lbs less than the other sleds it raced. I rode a Rx-1 a buddy a mine had last winter and it was the fastest sled i have ever ridden, compared to XC 800's and MXZ 800's. 4 strokes ARE the future whether you 2 smokes want to admit it or not!
bigorangetrucker 1 year ago
@c3h9e4v7y 100%
yamaharules163 1 year ago
@c3h9e4v7y ya right.. 2 strokes with direct injection have better emissions, make better power, and are cheaper, 4 strokes are a fad
spo123328 1 year ago
@spo123328 a fad ? are you fucking retarted? whats in all of the cars on the roads today.. 4 strokes you fucking idiot, if 2 strokes made more power with better emissions dont you think all our cars would be 2 strokes, you may think you know what your talking about but i can assure you you dont,
c3h9e4v7y 1 year ago 2
@spo123328.... Don't believe all the bs that ski doo says.... How do 2 strokes make better power? 4 strokes have a much broader power band, and the initial cost of a 4 stroke maybe more then a 2 stroke, but the 4 stroke will use less oil, less gas, and needs less maintenance, so in the long run they are cheaper.
MnDeerHunter09 1 year ago
@MnDeerHunter09 they make power ever rotation. thats how they make better power.
2 strokes are heaper to maintain and re-build. so they are still cheaper in the end.
dragoncustomcycles 1 year ago
@dragoncustomcycles 2 strokes are cheaper to rebuild, but you shouldn't have to rebuild a 4 stroke, because the rest of the sled will fall apart first. So 4 strokes really are cheaper to maintain.
MnDeerHunter09 1 year ago
@MnDeerHunter09 lol no. the 4 strokes they put into sleds and dirtbikes are high output,high horspower and high rpm. they need to get rebuilt.
4 stroke dirtbikes need re-builds every 80 hrs. im not to sure on the re build times on 4 stroke sleds as i have never looked into one. but they will need re-builds and constant valve matnance.
dragoncustomcycles 1 year ago
@dragoncustomcycles Yes they need to be rebuilt, but not until you put around 18,000 miles on them. By then most sleds are trashed anyways. 4 strokes are cheaper to maintain its plain and simple. Think of all the money you save with a 4 stroke, probably wont have to rebuild to motor, less gas, and less oil.
MnDeerHunter09 1 year ago
@c3h9e4v7y not nessecarily, 2 strokes are great for lightweight snowmobiles like the ski doo tundra or freestyle.
frozenskipper 1 year ago
@c3h9e4v7y last time i said that i got into a huge arguement but im glad to see someones on my side~
crazyboondocker 4 months ago
I would check your stuff again "kc" because four srokes are alot more reliable and can handle more boost, we run ours on 14lbs of boost on premium fuel and two strokes run like 4lbs and are alot less reliable
TurboPhazerRider 2 years ago
not too metion turbo and boost on a 2 strok cut engine life in half if not more
snowmofrk13 2 years ago
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bighole1818 2 years ago
A properly tuned 2-stroke turbo will always make more power than a similar displacement, properly tuned 4-stroke turbo. End of story.
drauglintuor 2 years ago
that yamaha spanked em by 10's of sled lengths. that wasnt even a close finish.
bigorangetrucker 2 years ago
Let's see a fair race. No more unweighted bullshit.
1000cc Turbo 2-Stroke Arctic Cat vs a 1000cc Turbo 4-Stroke Yamaha.
Any 4-Stroke lovers man enough to take up that challenge?
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
You know they won't.
111hcr32111 2 years ago
this race has taken place many times.. once you get to no limits with the mods, 4 stroke yamaha sleds have set every record available to them, whether 500ft grass, 1/8 and 1/4 mile asphalt, and even top speed records
hartleracing 2 years ago
Two strokes turbos don't make the power of a turbo 4 stroke.
Fastest sled in the world...Yamaha Rx-1 Quickest Yamaha Nytro. Where are the 2 strokes? They can't compete
ysld7 2 years ago
Nytro does 131.6 MPH in 500ft and the Rx1 does 213
ysld7 2 years ago
What is your reasoning of that?
A 2-stroke fires twice as often as a 4-stroke = twice the power. Throw in the same boost and the power rises the same.
The reason for 4-stroke use is the sleds can be sold for more profit so they are advertised more. AND the 4-strokes, up until recently, have had better emissions and fuel economy.
Also race classes allow bigger 4-strokes. You see 600cc vs 1000cc. Fair? NO.
Put equal development and displacement and 2-strokes rule.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago 2
A turbo yamaha will smoke all that shit. Like too see ya get 500 ponies out of 1000cc two stroke and keep it together. Impossible.
GearHead156 2 years ago
Compare actual high strung engines. Dirt Bikes. A 250cc 2-stroke makes the same power that a 450cc 4-stroke makes. AND the 2-Strokes kick the 4-Strokes ass in reliability.
The fact is 2-stroke stomp 4-strokes in power while still maintaining reliability.
So yes, make a turbo 1000cc 2-stroke and a turbo 1000cc 4-stroke and the 2-stroke will make more power, weigh less, and be far more reliable.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Since when was a 2 stoke motocross bike more reilable than a 4 stoke??? I have a CR250R, i have to rebuild it every year after race season. the Rings and piston are alway beat to fuck, My CRF450 Is still perfect. and they are much more reliable if you know how to maintain them. Oh and a news fash for ya, an average 250 twostroke makes roughly 10 HP less than the average 450 . You need to Check the facts kid. I know this shit, i Work with it EVERY DAY. Dont argue with me.
GearHead156 2 years ago
You are funny. In reality, racers often rebuild 4-strokes every race, not season. A CRF450R makes 48hp. Maico's 250MX makes 54hp.
I have always been a 4-stroke guy but since the new 4-stroke started blowing up every other race ($2000 rebuild) I switched to supporting 2-strokes that last a season ($300 rebuild)
And in a fair race 250cc vs 250cc name one 4-stroke that will match a 2-stroke?
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
they dont rebuild 4 strokes every race buddy haha, and We put a stock CRF on our Dyno jet dyno and it made a clean 53 hp. My CR250R makes 42hp with mild jetting and piped. I would like to see a maico 250 mx make 54 hp. mabee with a shot of NOS! lol
Any modern Motocross 4 stroke 450 will out perform a modern 250 twostroke. period. (Engine wise anyway). If your blowin up a 4 stoke every other race, it's either a piece of shit or you dont know what your doing.
GearHead156 2 years ago
I have read the most recent 450F test and they dyno'd the bikes themselves. The lowest was the CRF450R with 46.5hp. The highest was the Kawasaki at 48.9hp.
I don't doubt your CR250 makes 42hp. It was designed 10 years ago. But the Maico is a brand new engine and dynos have seen 54hp. Dynos have also seen KTM 300XCs making 57hp.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
I never said a current 250 will outperform a 450. The problem is there is NO modern 2-stroke. Are you going to deny that a modern 500 will SMOKE a modern 450F? Or that a 250 2-stroke will beat a 250 4-stroke? KTM's 150SX recently outlapped the KX250F from 4 different riders.
Your problem is you compare 10 year old 2-strokes to new 4-strokes with double the displacement.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
what is your point in a modern 2 stroke what else can you do to a 2 stroke? i mean it has really starteed to come to an end even ski doo is not coming out with 4 stroke models
snowmofrk13 2 years ago
Oh and Maico or ATK what ever you wanna call em, Died back in 87 they were out dated and slow compared to the japanese bikes, they are back now but a very small company, and as far as i know they still arnt up to snuff with jap bikes..
GearHead156 2 years ago
And it is a widely known fact that modern MX 4-strokes have dropped all reliability and racers rebuild their engines every couple races. While those on 2-strokes will only have to do a top end rebuild once or twice a season.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Shoe me a turboed 1,000 cc 2-stroke that won't grenade itself into a million pieces and I just might buy one. I agree with you on 2 strokes being easier for the racer but for the average rider it's pretty hard to beat the ease and fuel economy of the 4 banger.
anooseholay 2 years ago
That's assuming you leave out modern technology just making its entrance to snowmobiling. Example Ski-Doo's new 600 E-Tec. As much power as a Yamaha 1050(across the whole range) and gets better fuel mileage. (21mpg vs 18mpg).
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
try the thorottle pull the ski doo espicaly the 800 backcountry you need to have a thumb strength building corse to use it..... extreamily heavy almost hurts after a while
snowmofrk13 2 years ago
@snowmofrk13 what you mean the renegade backcountry? It must be something wrong with your thumb. Try a 550f throttle then say a 800 throttle is heavy
Thor7036 2 years ago
well it was a while ago this one was a friends and he had it moded but i dont know of any thing that would effect the throttle pull but i am not sure i can ask him if he put somthing in that could have done that
snowmofrk13 2 years ago
All I know about reliability is that an equally equipped 2-stroke will be more reliable because the engines have longer strokes, bigger pistons, less compression, and less RPM.
That is exactly how it is in boating and dirt bikes. Maybe no one has put any development into 2-strokes in snowmobiling but if they did they would have the same results. Including turbos.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Because they don't make the power of a 4 stroke does,I don't know why it does but look it up.
ysld7 2 years ago
yeah i suppose if you got 40grand laying around you can buy the highest hp out there.
Or for about 25grand you can get a 2 stroke which is lightweight, nimble, and doesn't look like crap
bigstudtommy93 2 years ago
You spelled Phazer wrong douche
Arcticcatfreak143 2 years ago
ok ski doo doesnt suck all manufacturers in my opinion have made a good sled but yamaha and ski doo are the top 2 i personally like yamaha but i wouldnt pass up a chance to ride a 03' mach z 1000 but i would ride a yamaha fx nytro b4 any sled in the world besides a 1978 yamaha ssr or a alouette super
bicycleabused 2 years ago 2
Ski-doo sucks compared to yamaha
elamaon23 2 years ago
NICE
accerhawk 2 years ago
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fuck yamaha ski-doo is the best
leloup88 3 years ago
Yamaha is the way
lmaoug0tit 2 years ago
weekend skip 2 4 stroke Yamaha in the pack
leloup88 2 years ago
turbos make the diffrence
sleadfreak 2 years ago 2
Yamaha is the best!
lappstrumpan 3 years ago
my friend have a mcx 07 phazer... more work than play... keep breaking down 3-4 times a year... and still get beat by stock 800 2strokes... I would buy a 4stroke sled with stock turbo... warranty rules for normal peopel......
vectraB97 3 years ago
4-jokes are gay....you would be suckin the smoke out of my pipe on that hill, brp rulz
SRT10TJ 3 years ago
FUCK YOU 800skidoorevX
Check out sledporn 6
1:15 youll find a RED yamaha phazer 4-stroke
and at 145 an apex also yamaha and fully 4-stroke
hope sled porn is mainstream enough a video for you
VIDEOS MEAN NOTHING
RIDE ONE MOTHA FUCKER YOULL SEE!
Yamaha Phazer Lightest liquid cooled production snowmobile LOOK IT UP!
Snofreak500 3 years ago 2
Don't bother with that 800skidoorevX hes a biased goof and can't admit the facts.........
netefrog 3 years ago
the cars and trucks you drive are all 4 strokes,if 2 smokes were it they would be in your cars and trucks,its all about torque,you don't see gas powered SEMI'S do you!! i have 2 smokes and i have 4 strokes just my thought thats all.always grab a handfull!!
tomanytoyz 3 years ago
thats what yamaha is all about.
tigros2 3 years ago 4
Sick Phazer for sure, but invest the same money as that turbo cost into mods on any of them two strokes and it probably would be a whole new ball game. Not at all anti 4-stroke, but to modify a sled that much and compare it to stock ones isn't realistic.
cody182005 3 years ago
the turbo phazer is dynoed at 140 hp, 92 torque, 515 lbs and the 2006 800 skidoo is 140.6, 92 torque hp, 478 lbs. but the phazer still beat it. that shows you weight and hp isn't everything
ryanclinton 3 years ago
ya its obviously not stock, so race mod 2 strokes then see. I dont have anything against 4 strokes cuz they go forever, they just arent good for ice racing, snocross, or mountain riding. Im all about speed so I go with the xp800
800skidoorevX 3 years ago 2
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the phazer only won because it wasnt racin any cats it was all piece of shit ski doo and polaris.....
pro450rider08 3 years ago
Well, Arctic cat´s would as usual be stuck at the starting-line anyhow >;)
BorgaJesse 3 years ago 7
@BorgaJesse i ride ski-doo's(better than arctic cat"s) and even i can admit yamaha 4-stroke are the future
95090978 1 year ago
@BorgaJesse u wish u had a sled as good as artic cat
M8snopro1 1 year ago
@M8snopro1 Nah man, we other real drivers actually enjoy beeing at 1st place ;) You have fun digging for your kitty back there <3 ;D
BorgaJesse 1 year ago
Im not gunna lie im a 2 stroke fan but the new 4 strokes yammy are comin out with after u put a turbo in them they are awesome hill climbers but you still dont see them hitting drops or gaps in the mountains.
patrickg2343 3 years ago
check out the new boondockers. they have a few turob yamaha's in it.
lordbf1 3 years ago
but, four strokes are fine sleds - for trails, not technical mountain riding.
Just look at Slednecks 11! there's not a SINGLE four stroke. in the entire film.
Freeride600 3 years ago
I'll ride a two stroke sled as long as they make 'em... like i ride a two stroke dirtbike... that, for some reason, also takes down bigger fourstrokes - in the mountains.
Freeride600 3 years ago
Sorry guys but that phazer owned those 2 strokers.
goodmorningboner 3 years ago 4
What kind of dumpvalve is install on the phazer?
Tobrelone 3 years ago
4 strokes are like tampons every pussy has one
tsolredshado 3 years ago
What next? Guna whine about them being to heavy?.... turbo 4 strokes are king of the hill you little bitch
Webbber222 3 years ago 5
2 strokes are like training bras, every little girl has one.......
lol sorry i had to
00gtp95xlt 3 years ago
2 smokes suck
999888654 3 years ago
r those 600 or 800 sleds
89yfz89 3 years ago
haha... weird how that phazer is on a harder strip of snow LOL.
Freeride600 3 years ago
Nice excuse. The Phazer has a roost. theres now telling if the phazer was on hardpacked but we all know it wasn't
zackn291 3 years ago
alright... you're right. the phazer can go better - straight up a hill. Makes for great video.
But i don't see anyone even trying to ride them (4strokes) in the mountains at 10,000 feet here in CO. All I see are two strokes, that pound the [wannabe] fourstrokes into powder - supercharger or not.
Freeride600 3 years ago
HAHAHA pussy 2 strokes
krampp24 3 years ago
LOL, my friend wish his TPhazer could do that... and he even has NOS
sparchewsky 3 years ago
phazer owned there but arctic cat bettr
hockeyman095454 3 years ago
phazer is the best!
oddsniper 3 years ago
i will race you on my eltigre, that phazer will have another win under its belt, haha nice sled
codyselcamino 4 years ago
Ugly put a iq 440 or 600 RR up against it and see what happens!!
PolarisTurbo 4 years ago 2
Same thing.. your 440 or 600 will be in the back with the m8's
fordcougar99 4 years ago
any mod 2 stroke could keep up with a mod 4 stroke, try to race apples to apples next time. Plus that one guys right, you dont see 4 strokes in slednecks, or any good videos.
800skidoorevX 3 years ago 2
thats a sweet sled
700yamahatriple 4 years ago
Now you're a dumbass yourself, and still a fag.
rfabro 4 years ago
Lol i love this vid!! i have a turbo nytro mtx-MCX- and my wife has an 08 phazer mountain lite with turbo also, and it funny seeing her out climb guys on the hill. Four strokes are the future!!! how can you argue 260 horse reliable nytro on pump gas???
wileytundra99 4 years ago
its the future, like it have becomed in cars, boats and bikes. i didnt like 4strokes before they where to heavy, but the phazer changed my mind
thorzo90 4 years ago
yea sure u can say phazer is good but without the turbo its not shit i asked this guy up the mountain he said if he didnt have turbo he wouldnt have bought that thing for shit and he still says turbo isnt as good as he thought it was and it costed to much aswell
122313312312312 4 years ago 2
i call em 2 strokers dumb ass
hibber68rocks 4 years ago
there's only 1 reason the phazer won TURBO 4 strokes suck untill you put 7 grand into mods on them and they still suck 2 strokers all the way
hibber68rocks 4 years ago
2stroke fag.
rfabro 4 years ago
What kind of snowmobiles are there on the clip?
ailoen 4 years ago
4 strokes can sucks by big hairy balls. Those 4-strokes arent worth a piece of shit.......period
sdfjasdhj 4 years ago
OK, so now it's a $13,000 sled. But it'll go 10,000 miles and always have 150HP even at 13,000 feet.
rfabro 4 years ago
Everyone gets 15,000 miles out of their turbo Apex's. Turbo Phazers can still expect 10,000 miles before rebuild. Plus everyone's putting 151" tracks with 2.313" lugs on these turbo Phazers, which makes a huge difference.
How can you 2stroke lovers argue that?
rfabro 4 years ago
By the way, the MCX turbo is only $5000, and that $12000 sled will last years beyond any XP, idiots.
rfabro 4 years ago
Well, you have to figure now that it's turbo it is definitely not going to last as long.
scottydangerous 4 years ago