O'bama, What can i say about the man,He has lied to everyone who believed in him,his belief is american's are to stupid to think for them self's,so feed them full of bullshit,and then tell them that's the truth,and most people believe him. All i am saying is,wake up people,check the fact's for yourself,and make your own opinion, People,don't be taken for fools any longer.
Being a black man, one would have thought that Obama would have had a little compassion for the underdog but clearly he couldn't care less about anyone but himself. He is a very weak human being and also selfish.
All I see is pathetic, brainwashed, liberal idiots supporting a man that has no clue and no love for America. They put their faith in a community organizer with no executive experience what so ever and now they're upset at the world. Too bad their massive egos wont allow them to admit they were fooled by this con-man. Its so painfully evident its pathetic. ..and soon obama is going to pay for your mortgage and give you free gas too!!!......pfft..
what about all the lies that obama was preaching, health care reform on cspan for 5 days before voting in congress (1)"they passed with bravery and money", close guantanamo (2), end the wars (3) wall street reform, LOL fannymae and derivatives was the only 2 things out of the reform. oabama is just another bush different party and better far better speecher, that's all, have a good day
also to address the end of the video..how can a terrorist attack, even a failed one, get blown out of proportion? these failed attacks could have just as easily been successful and caused the death of many people.
how have the republicans been obstructing obama his first 2 years? it was mathematically impossible for the republicans to stop a bill from happening the past 2 years. Democrats had a filibuster in the house and the senate. the economy fell apart in bush's last year and under a democrat house and senate. people always forget about that. and people forget that it was a clinton bill that made it so banks had to ease up on standards of issuing loans for houses. thats why the banks failed
How can you say anything about the guy when the republicans don't do anything and what the democrats do they say there pushing it down your throats. You can not have it both ways, Either you get behind your PRESIDENT and show a real grass roots effort OR just keep letting the republicans play a game with us as their puppets. (Just look at how mind boggling BRAIN WAsHED tea party republicans are)
say no to EPA, say no to FDA, say no to tyranny, say no to "me" paying for your healtcare, say no to 99'ers who dont want to take mexicans jobs, say no to Michael Taylor "monsanto CEO" been head of the FDA, say no to more bailouts, say no to "no reals" jobs ready jobs, say no to public workers unions.
if u thing something is no good for u or u family u just say NO. (btw bush stinks to, bush jr, sr, clinton, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan (aspartame)..... well after JFK all of them suck,
say no to EPA, say no to FDA, say no to tyranny, say no to "me" paying for your healtcare, say no to 99'ers who dont want to take mexicans jobs, say no to Michael Taylor "monsanto CEO" been head of the FDA, say no to more bailouts, say no to "no reals" jobs ready jobs, say no to public workers unions.
if u thing something is no good for u or u family u just say NO. (btw bush stinks to, bush jr, sr, clinton, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan (aspartame)..... well after JFK all of them suck
@thursdaysrecords Obama has caused taxes to go up on items that COST the poor more. What about stupid do you not understand? Seems Obama's slogan should be changed to "The beatings will continue until morale improves." We regular people see past the bullshit. Apparently you are stuck on stupid, for which there is no cure. We see past your leftist dogma. Get over it, because we're going to smash the HATED donkey in '12.
omg people think about it please please this is not a dictator ship Obama cannot just do whatever he wants to do other wise there would be a lot of change. he is president not king. he has rules to follow he is president to SERVE every American not just the people who voted for him . there is a senate just like in old Rome that is suppose to represent the people.shit has to get voted on Obama doesnt jus say fuck it and do what he wants. its democracy people hate it or love it.
None of our Presidents, have just jumped into Oval Office, and stripped down to their Superman Suit. Washington for example, started the first civil war with the Whiskey Tax to pay for the War(Whiskey Rebellion). Pissing of a whole lot of Citizens. And every president has had friction from both sides. FDR(elected 3 or 4 times) durring the depression, was hounder, ragged and ridiculed by both parties. Bottom line, 2 of the countries greatest presidents, were considered Fuck-Up's. 2BContinued
@CCShamrock13C lolol right,....where did you find that statement? Oh wait, I know...MSNBC on Maddows show. hahaha right lolololololol. Now that I have stopped laughing at you. That would never happen and you know it. ( nice try )
@CCShamrock13C you mean RAND, and it's o.k. RON PAUL has the best constitutional voting record in congress. PAUL's for LIBERTY and CAPITALISM 100%...the record shows that!
@CCShamrock13C Ron Paul wants to END the FEDERAL RESERVE, which will end federal income on private people. Why is it stupid to end a banking organization that charges the US Government interest on it's own money. That money that you pay-out in your weekly or bi-weekly pay-check goes straight to the Federal Reserve as payment of interest! How is that stupid? You should check-out the videos on my channel if you wanna know how that FED thing works.
@CCShamrock13C What are you talking about? He wants to audit then end the Fed. Reserve! He still wants U.S. Gov. income tax on businesses, and he still wants State Taxes. He just wants to stop giving our money to foreign banking org. !
@CCShamrock13C Can you show me or give the link to that where he says that he wants no taxes at all? If that is what you mean by that. I have worked with him,...I know he has never said that !!! So please, would you direct my to that video, article, anything, anywhere, because i just googled and binged it and nothing like what you have said comes up. Thank you.
@CCShamrock13C And... if you know how the Federal Reserve works.....You still want it in place. Would you think it a good idea to audit the FED and then END it for good, that is, you do know how it works?
@CCShamrock13C Look at any money $ bill, 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, or 100 dollar bill and you will see that it says 'Federal Reserve Note'...,...not 'U.S. Treasury Note'. That's a big difference!!! You should really check those vids out!
@dsjj251 But the Note is issued by the Federal Reserve . Why can't the U.S. Treasury dept. issue a Note . He just signed it to say, 'It's O.K. to steal' . Look at the top of Ab's head in the drak green banner,...FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE . Watch this video; watch?v=zNTCQYl6M2U and this one watch?v=SxCX_D5xVLM . You'll See !
ooh they are crying now about hussein obama. Did they forget how they went along with the hysterical mass, getting all hyped up screaming about change, almost wanting to kill for change, while they had the slightest clue what change was about.
Didn't matter, change will come, and if you don't agree, you are a bigoted racist.
@Patrickthedutch "Hussein Obama", yes, that's his name, but that's like me calling our last president "Walker Bush". It doesn't make sense. Now if you're trying to make it seem like Obama is someway related, or akin to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein in terms of lineage, religion, and/or leadership, you could do so in a more constructive way...if not, shut the fuck up. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are making a fortune off of people like you. And even they know they're playing you. You don't.
@jacobew2000 It's Canada's Health INSURANCE--not health care-- system that is government run. Now we need to seriously consider what works, what the costs are, and how many people are insured in other countries. And I just said "consider", so don't get on me for that, lol. The insurance companies here, like them or not, their incentive is to make money, and often their clients have a hard time getting the coverage they pay for. We just need to consider the options other countries have taken.
I'm going to leave some space for the other guys to respond. I say health care is a national crisis- you disagree. I'm not sure there is a need for much more debate on any aspect of the issue if we disagree on that.
Or in case people are lazy and dont want to look it up, here is the 10th Amendment in the bill of rights.....
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
It is the job of our federal government to respond to national crisis- and health care is a national crisis. I wish John Boehner would stop calling it a government take over of health care. The government did not take over health care. The "constitutional" issue in question is the mandate- which is clearly a political attack. As if any American who could have health care would not. Oh- I forgot- Boehner suddenly cares deeply about college kids between ages 19-23.
@HolyShrink, Health care is not a national crisis. That is the biggest BS that is used to take away peoples rights. Thomas Jefferson said "when you give up freedom for security, you have neither...". IT IS IN FACT A GOVT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE, and worse of all, it enslaves the next 10 generations of Americans under a mandate that will never and can never be paid for!
The Fed govt has no right to interfer in states rights and responsibilities. Plz read the 10th amendment!
@jacobew2000 Ha ha ha- enslaves the next 10 generations? You would make a good politician- because that would make a great sound bite. Ridiculous- but still a great sound bite. How is health care reform a take over of health care? It's basically regulation. Did the government take over communications when it busted up AT&T? Doctors are still private- insurance companies are still private- pharmaceutical companies are still private. You can say it over and over but it just isn't so...
@HolyShrink, there hasnt been a liberal program in the past 60 years that didnt go over budget by anywhere from 10 to 50 times.
Unlike deregulation, the government never required anyone to BUY a product before. You are delusional if you think think that insurance is actually "private". By forcing you to buy healthcare, they have artificially affected the health insurance market. When they eventually fail, then it will be another "emergency" and the govt will take it over.
@jacobew2000 - You know why liberal programs go over budget? Because they're needed more than anyone can anticipate. Joe the Plumber will cry about taxes and getting the government out of his pocket- then be first in line for food stamps or unemployment or mortgage restructuring or public schooling. Remember all the republican governors who swore to reject the stimulus money for their state? Can you guess how many actually did?
@HolyShrink, the reason why that the liberal programs go over budget is because people have been taught since birth that the govt is there to give you whatever you want for free. You have 3 generations of people who are slaves to that system and just like any animal, will always demand more than they actually need when its free. People will only use what they NEED when they have to invest some of their own sweat and tears into it. Thats why free healthcare will self-implode.
@jacobew2000 - OK I lied. I disagree with the argument that free programs inhibit desire to achieve more. Health care is a necessity- but getting it for "free" isn't going to stop people from wanting sports cars and big vacations and season tickets to the local team. Unemployment and welfare didn't stop people from wanting to achieve wealth and luxury- most people will keep striving and working hard because there is much to be had outside the "free" programs. I will read your response.
@jacobew2000 Was 9/11 a national crisis? Because over 3000 people died that day. How many lives have been lost because people were denied proper health care coverage? A Harvard study says 45,000 a year die because they lack insurance. A year. I call that a crisis- and that isn't really an opinion. Even if the number was a third of that study.
@jacobew2000 - Stop it with the 10th amendment, okay? We've all read it. Everyone has read it. You're twisting the amendment and latching on to it to fight against people getting health care. If the constitution said Irish people have no right to oxygen- you can bet I would insist on breathing anyway- despite the sanctity of the rule of law. Crisis calls for leadership.
@HolyShrink, I wont stop on pressing the 10th amendment because YOU are ignoring it! You are twisting the constitution for your own socialist agenda! People dont NEED healthcare anymore than we NEED a car. Its technology that has made our lives easier. People NEED freedom, NEED oxygen, NEED less taxes so they can prosper and buy food and stuff on their own, NEED security from death by enemy nations. They DONT NEED idiots in congress taxing them to death, or forcing them to buy something.
That's a genius idea. The 45 million Americans without insurance can just pay for it themselves. Why didn't we think of that? Another brilliant solution offered by our friends on the right. And people say you're the party of no? Thanks again- your understanding of poverty is keen indeed- and your compassion for your fellow human beings is inspiring.
@HolyShrink Yeah man, my sentiments exactly. We're living right door to a scary socialist country--Canada--where an evil 86% of their citizens are satisfied with their health system as it exists today. Must be that paying $3000 less per capita (compared to the US) that's making them so horribly content and making them live two years longer than "Real Americans ", lol.
@Motionedout, I have cousins in Canada who have had to come to the USA for their medical needs because the socialist health system in Canada is so incredibly BROKEN!
I blame fast food in the USA for the shorter lifespans, not the healthcare system here. In fact, if you have a major issue like a heart attack, there is a lot of procedures in USA that Socialized medicine wont do (ask those in Britain). They are considered "experimental" there.
@HolyShrink, the problem with the whole arguement is that there is nothing in the constitution that allows the Govt to take over healtcare. If liberals want it in there, then by all means lets pass a constitutional amendment to strip those powers away from the states (read the 10th amendment). We can all be compassionate, but we also need to go by the RULE OF LAW. I believe that the liberal senators and congressmen have violated their sworn oaths by passing this law. Its a states right!
@jacobew2000 - Well I believe that you- or at least the majority of people who use constitutionality as an argument against health care- didn't become these staunch defenders of the constitution until it served their political ends. You believe compassion is a good thing- but you're going to let "rule of law" stand in the way of children getting decent health care? Rule of law is more precious to you then human life? Too dramatic? Maybe- but it fits.
@HolyShrink, our constitution was made on the understanding of basic rights that are afforded in the constitution. Having an over-reaching federal government that rips apart our basic freedoms FROM GOVERNMENT INTRUSION is a key belief that has made American superior to almost every other nation in history. Your argument is that by defending this, I have a bad political agenda. I simply am demanding freedom from govt and the right to my own choice to choose what I want in my life. Taxs enslav
@jacobew2000 But you are suggesting an overreaching government ripping apart our basic freedoms. Of course that will win in an argument- but it just isn't true. It is a pure untruth via exaggeration. Health care reform doesn't work without a mandate. That is not in any way ripping apart our basic freedoms. making health insurance mandatory? Come on. Even if the mandate is unconstitutional- you over-state by characterizing the actions that way.
@jacobew2000 - I think it's obvious we need to address constitutionality with a modern eye. Health care moved light years since 1787- access to health care when the constitution was written didn't have the value it has now. Health care wasn't given to the states- it was ignored. Knowing that greedy Republicans will not address the issue at the state level- or any level- would you support an amendment that gives health care power to the fed?
@HolyShrink, there is a reason why that our founding fathers warned about a Federal government that had too much control. They warned that when that happened, freedom would be lost. That is a universal truth that doesnt fall under the test of time. Even 1000 years from now, that will still be the truth. A small limited fed govt is good for liberty, simple as that! I have yet to see a politician in a far away state that knew anything about my state, or understand our citizens needs.
@jacobew2000 - I would rather see nationalized health care and less federal law enforcement in the states. To me federal law enforcement is getting closer to "control"- but at the same time I can not disagree with your statement. Your opposition seems very consistent- and not politically motivated. However- what basic needs does someone in Oklahoma have from someone in D.C. or someone in L.A.? Very different people- but very similar in basic needs. And everyone would still have federal reps.
@HolyShrink, again I have to say "what business does the congress of the fed govt have in violating the 10th amendment and forcing individuals into buying something? If tomarrow I told you that you had to buy a GM car because it would benefit those workers in Michigan, and not only that, but you could only drive it once a month because of polution concerns, would you want to buy it? After all, you NEED transportation to get to work.. right? Fed govt KNOWS what you need after all...
@jacobew2000 _ I will worry about being forced to buy a certain brand of car when that happens. Health care is a national crisis- a few workers finding new jobs is not- so I would fight that. Quality health care is a human right- keeping a company alive is not. So I would fight that. As for environmental concerns- we have regulations. Very reasonable- progressive regulation.
@HolyShrink Let's put the "insurance" back into healthcare. It would be much cheaper to just pay out of pocket for routine doctor visits, pay a much lower monthly premium for catastrophic. Doctors, freed up from piles of paperwork, etc, would lower their fees. And has anyone noticed that in the field of lazic surgery, which generally isn't covered by insurance, that those costs have gone down, due to the fact that it's an out of pocket, no 3rd payer involvement?
@jacobew2000 You know what they say even people with two eyes can't see what's right in front of them sometimes . You can have policies that are liberal in name only ,and the end product comes out right wing. Just go and take a look at all the bills he passed . None of are helping or will help the people ,but they surely will help corporate America and the the top 2% in this country . That's something any republican would really be proud of.
@TresJolie7 All those bills are junk bills period .They don't help the people. Those bills only help the top 1% and corporate America . Yeah , what a nice history to really be proud of LOL. That something republicans would really be proud off..
@Dblock7185, if you think that only the "greedy repubs" are doing stuff for the corporations, then you have truly bought the democrat party LIES. In the last election, the Dems got more money than the Repubs did from corporations. So you tell me how the Dems are not in the back pocket of the Corporations.... hummmmmmmm.....
@jacobew2000 Actually I have not .I know both parties are corrupt . The only difference is that the republicans tell you out right that they are on the side of the corporation and the rich .While the Dems try to hide it ,and tell their supporters that the republicans got in the way .
@USAon3 And if you're going to bring up "massive government spending won't allow the US to do that" for the answer to my previous post, this is the reason why liberals, and even some conservatives, argue against starting costly wars and maintaing the American Empire. And if you're going to bring up the Constitution to answer my question, we're back at square one: for that reason, Medicaid and Medicare should have been totalled by Bush and his party.
@Motionedout, one of the few responsibilities spelled out in the constitution for the Fed govt is to make treaties and enforce them. We have a treaty to protect Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as part of our national interests. I would argue that in fact, Medicare/caid is illegal too. Sorry but it is. They should never had been passed by the liberals in the 1960's. Again, its a states right issue, and regardless of party, it should be repealed. We have too many liberal programs wasting money on!
@jacobew2000 Yes, Medicare/aid is technically unconstitutional. Strictly speaking, a good number of Federal programs and departments are. But those programs (I'm talking about Medicare here) have proven to be very popular since their inception, even leading Reagan to deny he opposed them in the 1960s (in 1980--so that he could get elected). Does their popularity justify the illegality of their existence? Of course not.
Here is a couple targets to start out with for Obama's "FAT" police.....Janet Napolitano, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor and the Surgeon General Regina Benjamin who explained the need for such paternalism by saying “BMI provides a reliable indicator of body fatness for most people and is used to screen for weight categories that may lead to health problems.” RUN LADIES....RUN!!! The "Fat" police are coming.
Caring about all your citizens is- quite simply- Presidential. Frankly- the rich don't need much caring for- but a strong military and fair business practices take care of that. When you become the leader of a family- or a business- or a nation- you focus on those who need the most help. Or at least you should- right?
Obama is interested in giving everyone a chance at the American dream. If we do raise taxes- it will mean LeBron James might only own 19 yachts (not 20)- he will not fire his assistant. Meanwhile- John Q will not have to surrender his 3 bedroom home- or drive a jalopy instead of his slightly used Corolla. Some believe giving everyone access to the dream is admirable.
Here's the flaw in your post. The people who have the American Dream without having it handed to them, attained it by EARNING IT. Liberals just hate this concept.
Tell you what - if you're so set on socialist concepts, help me attain my wish of the American Dream and buy me a Z06 in my choice of color and options. How's that set with you, liberal?
@USAon3 - Liberals don't hate when people earn the American dream- that's ridiculous. Liberals recognize that some people need a helping hand. Nothing would make liberals happier than to see poverty eliminated. And comparing a car (I assume that's what a Z06 is) to health care is even more ridiculous. We're not looking to heap luxuries on the poor- just the basic necessities and a chance at the dream. You're just joking here- right?
@HolyShrink Poverty can't be eliminated. Yes im a "bit" drunk, but its not going to happen ever, nature itself forbids it. What we can do is help the poor survive. But its important to not let them get comfortable in poverty, its sad but the poor must remain hungry, alive, but hungry. (figurativley speaking, dont actually starve them)
@Fitzcard - I agree with you that poverty will never be eliminated- it was just to make a point that liberals certainly don't "want" poverty- and they don't "hate" a society where people earn the things they have. We don't even "hate" rich people. (We really don't). In a socialist utopia- poverty would be eliminated- but that could work in the real world. Our support for the poor (welfare, health care, food stamps) will never take away the hunger to succeed. It only provides the bare minimum.
@Fitzcard - of course I meant to say "could NOT work in the real world" in my previous comment. Hope your drinking is going well. My Phillies are not playing well- but the beer is still pretty good.
@HolyShrink, if you want to give Americans a chance at the American dream, the first thing you do is reduce taxes which gives those middle income people more fluid money with which to spend. Second is reduce the governement intrusion into business, especially the small business that provides 90% of the all the jobs in America. Govt tends to destroy business, and jobs. The liberals dont see that and that is why unemployment will continue above 10% into 2014 with them in charge.
Zbigniew Brzezinski..... Obama is interested in advancing HIS agenda while America is interested in trying to hold on to the American Dream. The two are not compatible. Malaise is a kind way of saying our President is asleep at the wheel. Not good news for Obama when one of the important members of the jimmy Carter Administration recognizes this!
As sucky as it sounds, I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping for a terrorist attack. He is considered a failure by over 60% of the voters, his responce would take the forcuse off everything else he has failed at. The oil crises,back fired. The illegal immigration issue is back firing. Afgahnastan is back firing. He's running out of opptions. My prediction, in the next 2 years, this president is going to try and win back what he has lost, we will see somthing drastic take place by next summer.
And with presdients lack of support in securing our borders, Mexicans along with South America, are continuing to aid terrorists from all other countries to include Al Quada and the Telaban through Mexico and into the U.S. Obama is opening the door for another 9/11 or worse scale attack. I gaurantee, by 2012, another attack will take place, this is the only thing that will save him, his responce will dictate his legacy. Everything els is failing, watch,
With gas prices rising again, home forclosures on a continuous rise, terrorist activity on the rise, which will be coming from Mexico soon as well. In case you haven't herad yet, Cartels are now resorting to using car bombs in Mexico to kill police and aid workers, my hunch is that they are testing, Becuase now we have arrrested thousands of Illegal drug trafficers here in the U.S and confiscated millions in drugs and cash, I'm betting they are about to do the same here. AZ was right.
I'll tell you what.... I don't care what you do with your money.... give it all to Owebama for all I care, but in the end when your sitting under a roof paid for by the govt, eating food provided by the govt, wearing cloths provided by the govt and they tell you to jump, just reply " Yes Sir, How High?
This is pointless, I'm tired and going to bed, enjoy your "free" Owebama care while me and mine do without "just that much more"
@AwohaliSagwu - Yes- you don't sound silly at all. I'm sorry you felt unable or were unwilling to directly address any of the points I made- and instead chose to just go with baseless rhetoric in the end. If you send me a head shot I can give you some solid therapy sessions right here on youtube (free of charge since I know times are tough for you). good night.
Don't you understand that NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE ??? Your not ever going to get anything from the govt that doesn't have strings and red tape attached to it..... It may be free for a few but it come at the expense of your fellow man, is that so hard to understand...
@AwohaliSagwu - I got a free education. No strings. No red tape. And I got a military that protected me my whole life. No strings. No red tape. I never implied it was free- did I? It's getting late so maybe I did- but I am well aware that our taxes pay for these things. I am also aware that some people don't pay taxes and that everyone pays a different amount.
I never asked for any help, I was being sarcastic with a point, and that is that other people shouldn't be forced to provide anything for someone else aginst their will. It's not my or anyone elses responsibility to take care of anyone elses family at the expense of our own unless we want to. And it is deffinately not the place of a govt to try to force it on us, you, me or anybody.
@AwohaliSagwu - okay- so should we not publicly fund anything? We can't pick and choose things based on whether we actually personally use them or not- otherwise the people that don't use them would be providing for someone else against their will. So should not fund anything with taxes? Where do you draw the line- and why should I be subject to the same line?
Simple, because I said my hubby lost his job not that he was out of work, he does construction work & is great at it. He currently makes half what he was makeing but I does us just fine because when everything hit we were not living beyond our means. WIC stands for women & infant care, I'm not preggers either, to get welfare you have to have kids, and I'm typing on a very nice pc in my office so I don't think I need a shelter just yet, but hey maybe I cant get some hot dogs on food stamps...
@AwohaliSagwu - you're a bit of an odd duck. You post talking about how tough you have it and asking where you can get help- then get defensive and begin talking about your nice pc and how things are fine when you get an answer. The point is- help is there- if you need it. Yes- even for you.
It shouldn't be my responsibility to educate your children, as I said I don't have children so that is all I'm doing everytime I pay my property tax is paying for other peoples kids, it's a service I've never used and never will. And I could care less what you do with your freedom just don't try to drag me down with you, I don't mind paying for road because, hey...it's actually something that I use. Although I'd help anyone if asked, don't try to force me to do anything...because u think I shld
@AwohaliSagwu - Yeah- so do you protest the public school system? Should it be abolished? And on a related note- do you not see the value that public schools bring to you and the country- even if you don't have children?
Yes, I protest the liberal indoctrination centers they call "schools". They're the reason our children are so misguided and ubersensitive. The only of our offspring strong enough to defend our nation are those who shake off the shackles of liberal robot-think and embrace the true ideals of America.
Thank God there are still some that do this. And it is for the very reason above that conscription or a draft would be harmful, by letting that ubersensitive element into the military.
In fact, my husband and I have no kids, aren't 65 and not disabled, but he lost his job, where's the help for all the ppl like us? We can't get squat!!!! We are all on our own.....How come we can't get something for nothing paid for by those of you that still have a job?? Same difference....
@AwohaliSagwu - I'm sorry for your situation (unless that was just an example)- but we do have programs for people in your situation. Food stamps/ WIC- welfare- unemployment- stimulus- tax funded shelters. I am not judging you- but I am confused how someone who has experienced the bad luck hand that life can sometimes deal to good people wouldn't support a culture of a helping hand.
In my country I would be considered Right Wing, by American standards I am probably center left, either way the world does not need a militarily strong America as much as it needs a financially strong America, close to half of your budget goes to defense, whoever you vote in please put your budget in the limelight, confidence breeds investment, the rest including jobs will follow, never before have I seen an America that is so divided, so fearful and so lacking in confidence in your own future.
Oh and accourding to my local new channel yesterday, the home foreclosure rate in the next year is expected to exceed 1 million, if Owebamas big plans are working for the American ppl I'd like to know where.....
Bottom line, this President has failed on everything. Point blank!! Americans are fed up with his lies, his broken prmises, and his lack of support for this countries Miitary. 2 more years and he is gone, question remains, can this country survive another 2 years of Obama and his radical agenda?
The radical Obama agenda. Letting honorable homosexuals serve openly and proudly in the military. RADICAL. Giving the millions of uninsured Americans coverage. RADICAL. Withdrawing from two wars with discipline and honor. RADICAL. Holding bi-partisan meetings with members of a super minority party. RADICAL.
@USAon3 - If you think a homosexual can't be an honorable human being- what can I say? I guess I can say- thanks for helping me prove my point. Unfortunately- there are ugly people out there and we need a good man like Obama to make sure minorities and the oppressed are protected. But you are correct- it isn't Obama's money- it is ours. It's a progressive philosophy about being a society- not just a large group of individuals.
@HolyShrink, Your absolutely right that those points are Radical. I dont believe homosexuality is right, it has been wrong across most societies for thousands of years. Healthcare is wrong simply because the Fed Govt has no constitutional right to force it upon people. That is RADICAL!. Holding bi-partisan meetings is good, until you use it for political gain and have no desire to actually be bi-partisan. So for that hes simply A LIAR! He deserves impeachment!
@jacobew2000 - Well if you don't believe homosexuality is right- then I'll call all the liberals and let them know we need to abandon the issue ASAP. After all- you have the last word and made the excellent and factually water tight argument that homosexuality has been "wrong" for thousands of years". I guess since slavery and discrimination was "right" for even longer in "most societies" we have a good argument for those institutions also.
@HolyShrink, I understand your thoughts on this, but You can not compare slavery with homosexual rights. Slavery prevents people from achieving by their color of their skin. Homosexuality is wrong on so many levels because it is contrary to GODS commandments (oh boy here comes the radical comments against God), and by the very biology of humanity. Sorry but 2 gays can not have kids without the other gender (biologically speaking).
@jacobew2000 - Ha ha- ok- I won't go anti-God comment because it will take us too far gone- and neither one of us will change their minds. My point in that your opinion does not a fact make- mine either. But if this America and not some radical Islamic country- every citizen has equal protection and equal access to life and liberty and happiness. If homosexuality is bad for society- ok. If it's bad for Christians or Muslims or whoever- too bad because we are not a theocracy.
@HolyShrink, we may not be a "theocracy" but this country was built on christian morals and morees. Regardless of how many time secularists try to change history, that is in fact the truth. The 1st amendment was made to prevent a particular christian DENOMINATION from taking over, not from completely excluding Christianity from American society or government. If you read the anti-religious court decissions since 1940's, it was at first anti-denominational, not anti-christian.
@jacobew2000 I agree with arguments that the founders wanted a Christian nation- so I usually take this approach- Who Cares? They believed slavery was cool and leeches could cure illness. Great intellects and legendary heroes are not always correct. I think homosexuality is fine- and I respect every homosexual as a citizen- so I just have to argue that even the founders made mistakes and we should fix them. But I married a Baptist- I have no delusion that I will change your mind.
@HolyShrink, your way off base, and its a major slander of our founding fathers to say that they all believed that slavery was cool. Many didnt want slavery. But they had to deal with the issue of quickly creating a nation to stand up to the gigantic British army. They created the idea of 4/5th of slave for purposes of vote in congress, as what many at the time thought was a temporary solution, and would be corrected latter. Many wanted freedom for ALL after suffering under British rule.
@jacobew2000_ Even if they needed to build a nation or save God himself- enslaving people is not ok. And even if you think that justifies it- does it justify them owning slaves themselves for personal service? Does it justify raping them and impregnating them? (Tom of course) Does it justify pulling the teeth from their mouths to use as their own? (George) It was a different time- and some slack might be in order- but don't re-write history on me.
@HolyShrink, it was a different era, and we are looking at it after over 230years of time with which to analyze what they did. The north states banned slavery in 1805, and even in the south, it was a very small percentage of the south that actually had slaves. There was actually more white indentured servants than blacks, a little known thing in history now. In 1865, America was only country to actually ban slavery because of cruelty. The christian movement in north was fundemental in this.
@jacobew2000 - I do agree. These men were not monsters- despite what some of their actions make them sound like in 2010. Very different circumstances and conventions. However- I still reject the "well our founding fathers say..." argument in an attempt to address every issue of the current day. Clearly- they were not perfect-and there may be modern issues that need a modern look.
@HolyShrink, they were not perfect, but they are perhaps 95%+ on track for what constitutes a great nation. The progressives are about 95% WRONG in all they want for America. They see that the more people are dependant on government, the more likely they will HAVE TO keep the socialist programs in effect. And sadly, that is the truth.
The basics in the constitution are there to protect us from tyranny of an out of control govt. The founders warned of that repeatedly, and they are right!
@jacobew2000 - Well I'll just call it like I see. I think you're off the reservation. Overall you seem like a decent person- and the comment isn't meant to be insulting- but between being so anti-gay because of some religious doctrine and the conspiracy theory over social programs- I think you are out of balance. How do you explain all the liberals not in government- and not in need but supportive of social programs? Why would they want people to HAVE TO keep "socialist" programs.
@jacobew2000 - So if we dropped the "mandate" in the health bill- would you be for it? That is the only straw the unconstitutional lawsuits have in their grasp. Would you support giving health care to millions of uninsured? Would you support regulating the insurance companies and making sure pre-existing conditions couldn't be grounds for rejection- and so on. If not- you don't oppose health care because you think it's unconstitutional.
@HolyShrink, I would not be for healthcare if the mandate was dropped simply because the Fed Govt should not be involved. Even if the mandate was dropped, the program would not survive under the weight of the spending. Even medicare was barely surviving (before this mandate cut it by 60%), and its been going on since about 1965. Insurance&Govt can not cover everyone, for everything, regardless of how many mandates are forced upon them. They will eventually collapse under the expense.
@jacobew2000 - OK- to me that is fair enough. Not that you were waiting for my approval- but I will not argue against people who oppose health care reform based on money. I think it is a legitimate argument and for all I know it might be right. I think it is a good bill because I like its' goal and direction- and the unconstitutional argument is to me a B.S. cover. But when people say it could be economically devastating- I don't just ignore it. The economy concerns all of us.
@jacobew2000 - As far as President Obama having "no desire to actually be bi-partisan" I didn't realize you were a mind reader. See- I need to see it- like McCain who said he won't vote yes on a single piece of legislation for the rest of the year because he was pouting over health care. Or Boehner who said health care was a horrible government takeover- but then stated agreement with 99% of what was in the bill he voted against. Repeal and replace indeed.
@HolyShrink, I dont have to be a mind reader when his actions and that of Pelosi and Reed shout their intentions. Republicans submitted hundreds of amendments (and bills) to the various bills in the past year and half, and not ONE has been added to any bill. That is proof of the lack of bi-partisianship in itself. If that is the case of Mccain, I disagree with that.
I dont want Repeal and replace! I WANT COMPLETE AND TOTAL REPEAL OF THIS UNFUNDED HEALTHCARE MANDATE UPON THE STATES!
@jacobew2000_ First of all- Reid and Pelosi are not Obama. Everything every democrat does should not be pinned on the President. And I am not aware of every bill or amendment proposed by Republicans- but I do know they were absent on health care ("let's go back to a blank piece of paper") and their fannie and freddie financial "bill" was- in my opinion- toothless and off target. So in those cases I blame the lack of Republican input on the Republicans.
@HolyShrink, I can and should pin it on Obama, simple because as a democratic president, he is the leader and sets the agenda of the democratic party. If he doesnt like it, or doesnt agree with it, he could say so to the American people. As they say "his silence is speaks louder than words".
The Repubs were not "absent" as you say. They put forth many options for healthcare, none used by dems, and many of the Fannie/freddie issues can be traced back to the dems congress in early 1990's.
@jacobew2000 - I was not making a point about fannie and freddie- I'm making a point about the Republican financial reform bill that was offered to counter the stability act. It was all wrapped up in fannie and freddie. I read half the actual bill and just thought- "This is a waste of my time and would accomplish very little that isn't already in the Dems bill" It looked like a bank protection act- and that's why the financial bill was a partisan effort. The Republicans bill sucked.
@renodude36 Thats a good question, I say the longer we bide our time to try and avoid maritial law the more damage he's going to do and the more rights and freedoms we will lose, I think we should just joint forces now and hit while everything is in our favor, take back our country because I don't know how everybody else feels but I don't have any hope a diffrent party or president will reverse all the damage or give up all the elites power back to the people.
@renodude36 Check politifact for Obama's "lies" and "broken promises". You'll see he tells the truth and keeps his promises rather often. How does he not support the military? By allowing gays to openly serve, something recommended by the generals? And this is a nation of civilian control, not a military dictatorship. As a country, we have to stop our infatuation with military might. And Obama's agenda is by today's standards center left, not radical in the slightest.
@atlant80 Really, over sixty days without a so much as a finger lifted by this administration after the oil spill yet he says they have been on top of it since day one, when in fact he didn't even address the disaster till after 15 days. Second He went on t.v and lied on equitpment and man power used to help clean up, when fishermen were blocked by red tape from going out to assist the efforts to keep from the oil from coming on shore. They werent even allowed to build burms, until 46 days later
@atlant80 13 Countries offered to send ships to aid the oil clean up, they were turned down by this administration even in writing. He still has yet to create any jobs especialy now with this morotorium in place has taken away jobs from about 22,000 Americans but yet he says the federal government is doing everything possible to help the people of Lousiana. The radicalism comes when this president continues to more and more restrictions on banks and businesss so that small businesses can't grow
@atlant80 Oh yea, during this presidents campiagn, he promised transparency in the White House. I have yet to see it. He's cut NASA which put 12,000 scientists out of work. The Firing of General McCrystal, the down sizing of our weapons, kissing the ass of the Mexican president. 4 Terrorist attacks on America since last June all on his watch. And all he's done to secure our borders was to pass a law suit on AZ. This president is not only inncompitant, but worthless. What has he done right?
The reason people (even Democrats) don't like Obama is because he has gotten what he wanted and the country is miserable. He takes responsibility for nothing and divides along class, race, and gender lines, agitating an already partisan public at every opportunity. He's not a leader, he's just an agitator.
The government is sitting on the sidelines while Americans get poorer and poorer? Absurd. The stimulus was aimed directly at middle class unemployed. Health care was aimed directly at those in poverty. And financial reform is loaded with consumer protection for the everyman- even those who get in over their head with a signature. How effective are the policies? We'll see- but the government is far from the sidelines.
@HolyShrink Government is the biggest problem...Greed, and corruption on both sides. the Democrats wanted this oil spill to attempt to show America that they can handle a crisis, that Failed, 4 terrorist attacks on Obamas watch and he has done nothing to secure the Borders, not to mention his lack of support for AZ. Just make any febal attemt to pretend he cares, like sending troop to help the border patrol after the fact, makes more obviouse that he is not fit to sit in the oval office..
@renodude36 - if Obama isn't fit to sit in the White House- then the White House should remain empty. He's not perfect- but who is? He is an example of the best we can be- intellectually and morally.
And FYI the kind of law that requires Americans to have health care coverage is the same kind of law that requires drivers to have car insurance- children to attend school and be immunized- people to pay taxes- etc. It's called "common good"- and lack of health coverage effects everyone- physically and economically. Making sure everyone has coverage simply makes sense- but I'm sure you know that.
@HolyShrink Just a few examples how Government when intwined into our persoanl lives can gain control of everything, under Obama, soon they will tell you what to feed your family and what kind of clothes you should wear to work and how you should get there. If you want Governent in you home and control everything, be my guest.
@renodude36 - Yeah- and soon they'll tell homosexuals they can serve openly and proudly in the military. Oh- the horror... maybe if people weren't inherently stupid- we wouldn't need the government to tell us certain things. But alas...
@HolyShrink I can only hope...I served for 9 yrs, with no problems, honerably and with dedication. I think gays have that right. But totaly different topic.
@renodude36 - No it isn't a different topic. You can't suggest the government has no role in shaping society on one issue- but does in another. The large majority of America opposes gay marriage- that doesn't make it right.
@HolyShrink There is a big dirrerence there, not everyone owns/drives a car and therefor are not taxed/penalized/fined, alot of ppl home school their kids & don't get immunization and therefor are not taxed/penalized/fined, alot of ppl are on welfare & I don't know if they pay taxes but if they do it's from walfare money paid in by hard working Americans not them. This is about redistribution of wealth, take from 1 class to give to another for free, or be fined/taxed/penalized.
@AwohaliSagwu - if you say health care reform is about redistribution of wealth- nothing I say can will change your mind. In fact- you might even be right. But I supported it both to help poor people with no coverage- and to provide a net for me and my family if we are hit with a serious illness or injury- the kind that bankrupts hard working Americans with insurance. I believe Obama did it for those reasons.
@HolyShrink: You are very much the kind of Liberal I enjoy debating. A true believer. You are correct when you say that health care reform, as a "redistribution program" differentiates us. Very true!
@NObamma2008 - I have to admit I am a pretty far left liberal- but I'm not sure if I would feel the need to jump in to every liberal issue with both feet if everything was not met with such vitriol and misinformation. I kind of agreed that health insurance was a little expensive at a bad time for the economy- but when the death panel B.S. and dying in the street rhetoric started- I felt like rational debate was counter productive- because no one listens to that.
@HolyShrink: I think the basic difference between Liberals and conservatives is that Liberals believe all men are responsible for helping their fellow man, whereas conservatives believe that all men are responsible for themselves. Each belief has value, but they are in opposition. I say "man" in the generic sense!
@NObamma2008 - I think that is a standard difference- but I'm not saying all conservatives are "sink, swim, or go to hell" either - I know many simply prefer charities and non- mandated ways to help those in need. Not all conservatives are greedy pricks and not all liberals are lazy looking for a handout.
@HolyShrink And I respect your feeling about your reasons but does that mean that the Govt has the right on your behalf or anyone elses to force me to purchase a product to do the same or be taxed/penalized/fined, when did it become my responsibility to provide for your family or anyone elses? If you couldn't provide for your family maybe you should have did what I did and chose not to have a family. (I had difference reasons but principle is same)
@AwohaliSagwu - When did it become your responsibility to educate my children? Or to protect my freedom? Or to pave my highways? Because if I don't pay taxes- then you're paying for all those things for me. Some of us see health care to be as important- or even more so- then education- and we think everyone should have it. Yes- some people may get it for "free"- but we live in a society- where our collective wealth (taxes) establishes institutions for the common good. We're already there.
If it's not a relative, someone else's lack of heatlhcare doesn't affect me unless I'm forced by law to pay for it - and that's exactly what Barrycare does. It robs Americans to pay for all.
"common good" - there's a phrase used often by communist despots - figures that Barry would have that in his lexicon.
@USAon3 -communist despots and evil dictators have also been known to say "get me a cheeseburger" - but that doesn't make McDonald's customers evil. I know you also hate public schools- yes? So I can't really argue with you- you adhere to that philosophy regardless of the politician. I can't say you are wrong on that- but I disagree. I think a society should use it's government to help ease the burden of poverty- and also to protect the middle class that falls on hard times.
O'bama, What can i say about the man,He has lied to everyone who believed in him,his belief is american's are to stupid to think for them self's,so feed them full of bullshit,and then tell them that's the truth,and most people believe him. All i am saying is,wake up people,check the fact's for yourself,and make your own opinion, People,don't be taken for fools any longer.
ajkopy 6 days ago
Im just saying... Anna has a nice rack. forget about obama. im voting for Anna
J2dahile 1 month ago
2011 -10-29 Voters Lose Confidence In Obama AGAIN!! He is at an all time low, again.
NoBama in 2012.
ladylordess 3 months ago
Being a black man, one would have thought that Obama would have had a little compassion for the underdog but clearly he couldn't care less about anyone but himself. He is a very weak human being and also selfish.
reverenceforall 6 months ago
All I see is pathetic, brainwashed, liberal idiots supporting a man that has no clue and no love for America. They put their faith in a community organizer with no executive experience what so ever and now they're upset at the world. Too bad their massive egos wont allow them to admit they were fooled by this con-man. Its so painfully evident its pathetic. ..and soon obama is going to pay for your mortgage and give you free gas too!!!......pfft..
nyclposter 9 months ago
the rally cry of the dems BLAME everyone.
Bearfootbob 9 months ago
what about all the lies that obama was preaching, health care reform on cspan for 5 days before voting in congress (1)"they passed with bravery and money", close guantanamo (2), end the wars (3) wall street reform, LOL fannymae and derivatives was the only 2 things out of the reform. oabama is just another bush different party and better far better speecher, that's all, have a good day
faitita2005 1 year ago
also to address the end of the video..how can a terrorist attack, even a failed one, get blown out of proportion? these failed attacks could have just as easily been successful and caused the death of many people.
docj09 1 year ago
how have the republicans been obstructing obama his first 2 years? it was mathematically impossible for the republicans to stop a bill from happening the past 2 years. Democrats had a filibuster in the house and the senate. the economy fell apart in bush's last year and under a democrat house and senate. people always forget about that. and people forget that it was a clinton bill that made it so banks had to ease up on standards of issuing loans for houses. thats why the banks failed
docj09 1 year ago
I just cannot focus to what she is saying.
justawordaway 1 year ago
How can you say anything about the guy when the republicans don't do anything and what the democrats do they say there pushing it down your throats. You can not have it both ways, Either you get behind your PRESIDENT and show a real grass roots effort OR just keep letting the republicans play a game with us as their puppets. (Just look at how mind boggling BRAIN WAsHED tea party republicans are)
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Muzzy337 1 year ago
What's the alternative to supporting Obama? Joining the "just say No Party"? Get real!
Obama has done more for the working class than the right wingers ever intended. Without their constant obstruction, Obama would have done even more.
Stop white-washing the evils of today's GOP1
thursdaysrecords 1 year ago
say no to EPA, say no to FDA, say no to tyranny, say no to "me" paying for your healtcare, say no to 99'ers who dont want to take mexicans jobs, say no to Michael Taylor "monsanto CEO" been head of the FDA, say no to more bailouts, say no to "no reals" jobs ready jobs, say no to public workers unions.
if u thing something is no good for u or u family u just say NO. (btw bush stinks to, bush jr, sr, clinton, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan (aspartame)..... well after JFK all of them suck,
faitita2005 1 year ago
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say no to EPA, say no to FDA, say no to tyranny, say no to "me" paying for your healtcare, say no to 99'ers who dont want to take mexicans jobs, say no to Michael Taylor "monsanto CEO" been head of the FDA, say no to more bailouts, say no to "no reals" jobs ready jobs, say no to public workers unions.
if u thing something is no good for u or u family u just say NO. (btw bush stinks to, bush jr, sr, clinton, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan (aspartame)..... well after JFK all of them suck
faitita2005 1 year ago
@thursdaysrecords Obama has caused taxes to go up on items that COST the poor more. What about stupid do you not understand? Seems Obama's slogan should be changed to "The beatings will continue until morale improves." We regular people see past the bullshit. Apparently you are stuck on stupid, for which there is no cure. We see past your leftist dogma. Get over it, because we're going to smash the HATED donkey in '12.
soco13466 11 months ago
i just love melons, they are my favorite fruit
nigel891 1 year ago
The media is trying to pitch this as just conservatives being pissed at Obama. The liberals feel betrayed too. That should be addressed more.
nowaynohow26 1 year ago
Oh I suppose 9/11 was blown out of proportion too? Real people are trying to commit mass murder, simple bitch.
theskiesbelowme 1 year ago
oh my god. the reason that obama cant do anything is becouse u americans use stupid "systems" so he cant do anything.
mrmeanbunny 1 year ago
omg people think about it please please this is not a dictator ship Obama cannot just do whatever he wants to do other wise there would be a lot of change. he is president not king. he has rules to follow he is president to SERVE every American not just the people who voted for him . there is a senate just like in old Rome that is suppose to represent the people.shit has to get voted on Obama doesnt jus say fuck it and do what he wants. its democracy people hate it or love it.
bryant49 1 year ago
None of our Presidents, have just jumped into Oval Office, and stripped down to their Superman Suit. Washington for example, started the first civil war with the Whiskey Tax to pay for the War(Whiskey Rebellion). Pissing of a whole lot of Citizens. And every president has had friction from both sides. FDR(elected 3 or 4 times) durring the depression, was hounder, ragged and ridiculed by both parties. Bottom line, 2 of the countries greatest presidents, were considered Fuck-Up's. 2BContinued
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and black people won't be able to eat at resteraunts
CCShamrock13C 1 year ago
@CCShamrock13C lolol right,....where did you find that statement? Oh wait, I know...MSNBC on Maddows show. hahaha right lolololololol. Now that I have stopped laughing at you. That would never happen and you know it. ( nice try )
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I am sorry, i misread that as "Ran Paul"
CCShamrock13C 1 year ago
@CCShamrock13C you mean RAND, and it's o.k. RON PAUL has the best constitutional voting record in congress. PAUL's for LIBERTY and CAPITALISM 100%...the record shows that!
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Ron Paul has also said that he wants no taxes. That's just plain stupid
CCShamrock13C 1 year ago
@CCShamrock13C Ron Paul wants to END the FEDERAL RESERVE, which will end federal income on private people. Why is it stupid to end a banking organization that charges the US Government interest on it's own money. That money that you pay-out in your weekly or bi-weekly pay-check goes straight to the Federal Reserve as payment of interest! How is that stupid? You should check-out the videos on my channel if you wanna know how that FED thing works.
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no he just wants no taxes
CCShamrock13C 1 year ago
@CCShamrock13C What are you talking about? He wants to audit then end the Fed. Reserve! He still wants U.S. Gov. income tax on businesses, and he still wants State Taxes. He just wants to stop giving our money to foreign banking org. !
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no actually he has said before that he wants no taxes. And i know how the fed works
CCShamrock13C 1 year ago
@CCShamrock13C Can you show me or give the link to that where he says that he wants no taxes at all? If that is what you mean by that. I have worked with him,...I know he has never said that !!! So please, would you direct my to that video, article, anything, anywhere, because i just googled and binged it and nothing like what you have said comes up. Thank you.
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@CCShamrock13C And... if you know how the Federal Reserve works.....You still want it in place. Would you think it a good idea to audit the FED and then END it for good, that is, you do know how it works?
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if you want no reserve then you don't know how it works
CCShamrock13C 1 year ago
@CCShamrock13C You should take some time out to check into RON PAUL and the FEDERAL RESERVE.
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@CCShamrock13C Look at any money $ bill, 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, or 100 dollar bill and you will see that it says 'Federal Reserve Note'...,...not 'U.S. Treasury Note'. That's a big difference!!! You should really check those vids out!
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my 5 dollar bill says treasurer of the United States of America and is signed by the Secretary of the Treasury
dsjj251 1 year ago
@dsjj251 But the Note is issued by the Federal Reserve . Why can't the U.S. Treasury dept. issue a Note . He just signed it to say, 'It's O.K. to steal' . Look at the top of Ab's head in the drak green banner,...FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE . Watch this video; watch?v=zNTCQYl6M2U and this one watch?v=SxCX_D5xVLM . You'll See !
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ooh no the young libtards again.
ooh they are crying now about hussein obama. Did they forget how they went along with the hysterical mass, getting all hyped up screaming about change, almost wanting to kill for change, while they had the slightest clue what change was about.
Didn't matter, change will come, and if you don't agree, you are a bigoted racist.
Now look at the shame they all got.
In your face the youngturks
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stupid racist libtards
Patrickthedutch 1 year ago
@Patrickthedutch "Hussein Obama", yes, that's his name, but that's like me calling our last president "Walker Bush". It doesn't make sense. Now if you're trying to make it seem like Obama is someway related, or akin to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein in terms of lineage, religion, and/or leadership, you could do so in a more constructive way...if not, shut the fuck up. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are making a fortune off of people like you. And even they know they're playing you. You don't.
Motionedout 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 It's Canada's Health INSURANCE--not health care-- system that is government run. Now we need to seriously consider what works, what the costs are, and how many people are insured in other countries. And I just said "consider", so don't get on me for that, lol. The insurance companies here, like them or not, their incentive is to make money, and often their clients have a hard time getting the coverage they pay for. We just need to consider the options other countries have taken.
Motionedout 1 year ago
I'm going to leave some space for the other guys to respond. I say health care is a national crisis- you disagree. I'm not sure there is a need for much more debate on any aspect of the issue if we disagree on that.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
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Or in case people are lazy and dont want to look it up, here is the 10th Amendment in the bill of rights.....
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
jacobew2000 1 year ago
It is the job of our federal government to respond to national crisis- and health care is a national crisis. I wish John Boehner would stop calling it a government take over of health care. The government did not take over health care. The "constitutional" issue in question is the mandate- which is clearly a political attack. As if any American who could have health care would not. Oh- I forgot- Boehner suddenly cares deeply about college kids between ages 19-23.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, Health care is not a national crisis. That is the biggest BS that is used to take away peoples rights. Thomas Jefferson said "when you give up freedom for security, you have neither...". IT IS IN FACT A GOVT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE, and worse of all, it enslaves the next 10 generations of Americans under a mandate that will never and can never be paid for!
The Fed govt has no right to interfer in states rights and responsibilities. Plz read the 10th amendment!
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 Ha ha ha- enslaves the next 10 generations? You would make a good politician- because that would make a great sound bite. Ridiculous- but still a great sound bite. How is health care reform a take over of health care? It's basically regulation. Did the government take over communications when it busted up AT&T? Doctors are still private- insurance companies are still private- pharmaceutical companies are still private. You can say it over and over but it just isn't so...
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, there hasnt been a liberal program in the past 60 years that didnt go over budget by anywhere from 10 to 50 times.
Unlike deregulation, the government never required anyone to BUY a product before. You are delusional if you think think that insurance is actually "private". By forcing you to buy healthcare, they have artificially affected the health insurance market. When they eventually fail, then it will be another "emergency" and the govt will take it over.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - You know why liberal programs go over budget? Because they're needed more than anyone can anticipate. Joe the Plumber will cry about taxes and getting the government out of his pocket- then be first in line for food stamps or unemployment or mortgage restructuring or public schooling. Remember all the republican governors who swore to reject the stimulus money for their state? Can you guess how many actually did?
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, the reason why that the liberal programs go over budget is because people have been taught since birth that the govt is there to give you whatever you want for free. You have 3 generations of people who are slaves to that system and just like any animal, will always demand more than they actually need when its free. People will only use what they NEED when they have to invest some of their own sweat and tears into it. Thats why free healthcare will self-implode.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - OK I lied. I disagree with the argument that free programs inhibit desire to achieve more. Health care is a necessity- but getting it for "free" isn't going to stop people from wanting sports cars and big vacations and season tickets to the local team. Unemployment and welfare didn't stop people from wanting to achieve wealth and luxury- most people will keep striving and working hard because there is much to be had outside the "free" programs. I will read your response.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 Was 9/11 a national crisis? Because over 3000 people died that day. How many lives have been lost because people were denied proper health care coverage? A Harvard study says 45,000 a year die because they lack insurance. A year. I call that a crisis- and that isn't really an opinion. Even if the number was a third of that study.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - Stop it with the 10th amendment, okay? We've all read it. Everyone has read it. You're twisting the amendment and latching on to it to fight against people getting health care. If the constitution said Irish people have no right to oxygen- you can bet I would insist on breathing anyway- despite the sanctity of the rule of law. Crisis calls for leadership.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, I wont stop on pressing the 10th amendment because YOU are ignoring it! You are twisting the constitution for your own socialist agenda! People dont NEED healthcare anymore than we NEED a car. Its technology that has made our lives easier. People NEED freedom, NEED oxygen, NEED less taxes so they can prosper and buy food and stuff on their own, NEED security from death by enemy nations. They DONT NEED idiots in congress taxing them to death, or forcing them to buy something.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
That's a genius idea. The 45 million Americans without insurance can just pay for it themselves. Why didn't we think of that? Another brilliant solution offered by our friends on the right. And people say you're the party of no? Thanks again- your understanding of poverty is keen indeed- and your compassion for your fellow human beings is inspiring.
HolyShrink 1 year ago 23
@HolyShrink Yeah man, my sentiments exactly. We're living right door to a scary socialist country--Canada--where an evil 86% of their citizens are satisfied with their health system as it exists today. Must be that paying $3000 less per capita (compared to the US) that's making them so horribly content and making them live two years longer than "Real Americans ", lol.
Motionedout 1 year ago
@Motionedout, I have cousins in Canada who have had to come to the USA for their medical needs because the socialist health system in Canada is so incredibly BROKEN!
I blame fast food in the USA for the shorter lifespans, not the healthcare system here. In fact, if you have a major issue like a heart attack, there is a lot of procedures in USA that Socialized medicine wont do (ask those in Britain). They are considered "experimental" there.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, the problem with the whole arguement is that there is nothing in the constitution that allows the Govt to take over healtcare. If liberals want it in there, then by all means lets pass a constitutional amendment to strip those powers away from the states (read the 10th amendment). We can all be compassionate, but we also need to go by the RULE OF LAW. I believe that the liberal senators and congressmen have violated their sworn oaths by passing this law. Its a states right!
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - Well I believe that you- or at least the majority of people who use constitutionality as an argument against health care- didn't become these staunch defenders of the constitution until it served their political ends. You believe compassion is a good thing- but you're going to let "rule of law" stand in the way of children getting decent health care? Rule of law is more precious to you then human life? Too dramatic? Maybe- but it fits.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, our constitution was made on the understanding of basic rights that are afforded in the constitution. Having an over-reaching federal government that rips apart our basic freedoms FROM GOVERNMENT INTRUSION is a key belief that has made American superior to almost every other nation in history. Your argument is that by defending this, I have a bad political agenda. I simply am demanding freedom from govt and the right to my own choice to choose what I want in my life. Taxs enslav
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 But you are suggesting an overreaching government ripping apart our basic freedoms. Of course that will win in an argument- but it just isn't true. It is a pure untruth via exaggeration. Health care reform doesn't work without a mandate. That is not in any way ripping apart our basic freedoms. making health insurance mandatory? Come on. Even if the mandate is unconstitutional- you over-state by characterizing the actions that way.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - I think it's obvious we need to address constitutionality with a modern eye. Health care moved light years since 1787- access to health care when the constitution was written didn't have the value it has now. Health care wasn't given to the states- it was ignored. Knowing that greedy Republicans will not address the issue at the state level- or any level- would you support an amendment that gives health care power to the fed?
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, there is a reason why that our founding fathers warned about a Federal government that had too much control. They warned that when that happened, freedom would be lost. That is a universal truth that doesnt fall under the test of time. Even 1000 years from now, that will still be the truth. A small limited fed govt is good for liberty, simple as that! I have yet to see a politician in a far away state that knew anything about my state, or understand our citizens needs.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - I would rather see nationalized health care and less federal law enforcement in the states. To me federal law enforcement is getting closer to "control"- but at the same time I can not disagree with your statement. Your opposition seems very consistent- and not politically motivated. However- what basic needs does someone in Oklahoma have from someone in D.C. or someone in L.A.? Very different people- but very similar in basic needs. And everyone would still have federal reps.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, again I have to say "what business does the congress of the fed govt have in violating the 10th amendment and forcing individuals into buying something? If tomarrow I told you that you had to buy a GM car because it would benefit those workers in Michigan, and not only that, but you could only drive it once a month because of polution concerns, would you want to buy it? After all, you NEED transportation to get to work.. right? Fed govt KNOWS what you need after all...
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 _ I will worry about being forced to buy a certain brand of car when that happens. Health care is a national crisis- a few workers finding new jobs is not- so I would fight that. Quality health care is a human right- keeping a company alive is not. So I would fight that. As for environmental concerns- we have regulations. Very reasonable- progressive regulation.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink Which is why Republicans statistically donate more money to charity than do Democrats in every single income bracket....
szelle63 1 year ago
@HolyShrink Let's put the "insurance" back into healthcare. It would be much cheaper to just pay out of pocket for routine doctor visits, pay a much lower monthly premium for catastrophic. Doctors, freed up from piles of paperwork, etc, would lower their fees. And has anyone noticed that in the field of lazic surgery, which generally isn't covered by insurance, that those costs have gone down, due to the fact that it's an out of pocket, no 3rd payer involvement?
soco13466 11 months ago
@jacobew2000 You know what they say even people with two eyes can't see what's right in front of them sometimes . You can have policies that are liberal in name only ,and the end product comes out right wing. Just go and take a look at all the bills he passed . None of are helping or will help the people ,but they surely will help corporate America and the the top 2% in this country . That's something any republican would really be proud of.
Dblock7185 1 year ago
@TresJolie7 All those bills are junk bills period .They don't help the people. Those bills only help the top 1% and corporate America . Yeah , what a nice history to really be proud of LOL. That something republicans would really be proud off..
Dblock7185 1 year ago
@Dblock7185, if you think that only the "greedy repubs" are doing stuff for the corporations, then you have truly bought the democrat party LIES. In the last election, the Dems got more money than the Repubs did from corporations. So you tell me how the Dems are not in the back pocket of the Corporations.... hummmmmmmm.....
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 Actually I have not .I know both parties are corrupt . The only difference is that the republicans tell you out right that they are on the side of the corporation and the rich .While the Dems try to hide it ,and tell their supporters that the republicans got in the way .
Dblock7185 1 year ago
@USAon3 And if you're going to bring up "massive government spending won't allow the US to do that" for the answer to my previous post, this is the reason why liberals, and even some conservatives, argue against starting costly wars and maintaing the American Empire. And if you're going to bring up the Constitution to answer my question, we're back at square one: for that reason, Medicaid and Medicare should have been totalled by Bush and his party.
Motionedout 1 year ago
@Motionedout, one of the few responsibilities spelled out in the constitution for the Fed govt is to make treaties and enforce them. We have a treaty to protect Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as part of our national interests. I would argue that in fact, Medicare/caid is illegal too. Sorry but it is. They should never had been passed by the liberals in the 1960's. Again, its a states right issue, and regardless of party, it should be repealed. We have too many liberal programs wasting money on!
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 Yes, Medicare/aid is technically unconstitutional. Strictly speaking, a good number of Federal programs and departments are. But those programs (I'm talking about Medicare here) have proven to be very popular since their inception, even leading Reagan to deny he opposed them in the 1960s (in 1980--so that he could get elected). Does their popularity justify the illegality of their existence? Of course not.
Motionedout 1 year ago
Here is a couple targets to start out with for Obama's "FAT" police.....Janet Napolitano, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor and the Surgeon General Regina Benjamin who explained the need for such paternalism by saying “BMI provides a reliable indicator of body fatness for most people and is used to screen for weight categories that may lead to health problems.” RUN LADIES....RUN!!! The "Fat" police are coming.
dkkght46 1 year ago
Caring about all your citizens is- quite simply- Presidential. Frankly- the rich don't need much caring for- but a strong military and fair business practices take care of that. When you become the leader of a family- or a business- or a nation- you focus on those who need the most help. Or at least you should- right?
HolyShrink 1 year ago
Obama is interested in giving everyone a chance at the American dream. If we do raise taxes- it will mean LeBron James might only own 19 yachts (not 20)- he will not fire his assistant. Meanwhile- John Q will not have to surrender his 3 bedroom home- or drive a jalopy instead of his slightly used Corolla. Some believe giving everyone access to the dream is admirable.
HolyShrink 1 year ago 14
@HolyShrink
Here's the flaw in your post. The people who have the American Dream without having it handed to them, attained it by EARNING IT. Liberals just hate this concept.
Tell you what - if you're so set on socialist concepts, help me attain my wish of the American Dream and buy me a Z06 in my choice of color and options. How's that set with you, liberal?
USAon3 1 year ago
@USAon3 - Liberals don't hate when people earn the American dream- that's ridiculous. Liberals recognize that some people need a helping hand. Nothing would make liberals happier than to see poverty eliminated. And comparing a car (I assume that's what a Z06 is) to health care is even more ridiculous. We're not looking to heap luxuries on the poor- just the basic necessities and a chance at the dream. You're just joking here- right?
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink Poverty can't be eliminated. Yes im a "bit" drunk, but its not going to happen ever, nature itself forbids it. What we can do is help the poor survive. But its important to not let them get comfortable in poverty, its sad but the poor must remain hungry, alive, but hungry. (figurativley speaking, dont actually starve them)
Fitzcard 1 year ago
@Fitzcard - I agree with you that poverty will never be eliminated- it was just to make a point that liberals certainly don't "want" poverty- and they don't "hate" a society where people earn the things they have. We don't even "hate" rich people. (We really don't). In a socialist utopia- poverty would be eliminated- but that could work in the real world. Our support for the poor (welfare, health care, food stamps) will never take away the hunger to succeed. It only provides the bare minimum.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@Fitzcard - of course I meant to say "could NOT work in the real world" in my previous comment. Hope your drinking is going well. My Phillies are not playing well- but the beer is still pretty good.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, if you want to give Americans a chance at the American dream, the first thing you do is reduce taxes which gives those middle income people more fluid money with which to spend. Second is reduce the governement intrusion into business, especially the small business that provides 90% of the all the jobs in America. Govt tends to destroy business, and jobs. The liberals dont see that and that is why unemployment will continue above 10% into 2014 with them in charge.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
Zbigniew Brzezinski..... Obama is interested in advancing HIS agenda while America is interested in trying to hold on to the American Dream. The two are not compatible. Malaise is a kind way of saying our President is asleep at the wheel. Not good news for Obama when one of the important members of the jimmy Carter Administration recognizes this!
dkkght46 1 year ago
As sucky as it sounds, I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping for a terrorist attack. He is considered a failure by over 60% of the voters, his responce would take the forcuse off everything else he has failed at. The oil crises,back fired. The illegal immigration issue is back firing. Afgahnastan is back firing. He's running out of opptions. My prediction, in the next 2 years, this president is going to try and win back what he has lost, we will see somthing drastic take place by next summer.
renodude36 1 year ago
And with presdients lack of support in securing our borders, Mexicans along with South America, are continuing to aid terrorists from all other countries to include Al Quada and the Telaban through Mexico and into the U.S. Obama is opening the door for another 9/11 or worse scale attack. I gaurantee, by 2012, another attack will take place, this is the only thing that will save him, his responce will dictate his legacy. Everything els is failing, watch,
renodude36 1 year ago
With gas prices rising again, home forclosures on a continuous rise, terrorist activity on the rise, which will be coming from Mexico soon as well. In case you haven't herad yet, Cartels are now resorting to using car bombs in Mexico to kill police and aid workers, my hunch is that they are testing, Becuase now we have arrrested thousands of Illegal drug trafficers here in the U.S and confiscated millions in drugs and cash, I'm betting they are about to do the same here. AZ was right.
renodude36 1 year ago
I'll tell you what.... I don't care what you do with your money.... give it all to Owebama for all I care, but in the end when your sitting under a roof paid for by the govt, eating food provided by the govt, wearing cloths provided by the govt and they tell you to jump, just reply " Yes Sir, How High?
This is pointless, I'm tired and going to bed, enjoy your "free" Owebama care while me and mine do without "just that much more"
Goodnite
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - Yes- you don't sound silly at all. I'm sorry you felt unable or were unwilling to directly address any of the points I made- and instead chose to just go with baseless rhetoric in the end. If you send me a head shot I can give you some solid therapy sessions right here on youtube (free of charge since I know times are tough for you). good night.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
Don't you understand that NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE ??? Your not ever going to get anything from the govt that doesn't have strings and red tape attached to it..... It may be free for a few but it come at the expense of your fellow man, is that so hard to understand...
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - I got a free education. No strings. No red tape. And I got a military that protected me my whole life. No strings. No red tape. I never implied it was free- did I? It's getting late so maybe I did- but I am well aware that our taxes pay for these things. I am also aware that some people don't pay taxes and that everyone pays a different amount.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
I never asked for any help, I was being sarcastic with a point, and that is that other people shouldn't be forced to provide anything for someone else aginst their will. It's not my or anyone elses responsibility to take care of anyone elses family at the expense of our own unless we want to. And it is deffinately not the place of a govt to try to force it on us, you, me or anybody.
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - okay- so should we not publicly fund anything? We can't pick and choose things based on whether we actually personally use them or not- otherwise the people that don't use them would be providing for someone else against their will. So should not fund anything with taxes? Where do you draw the line- and why should I be subject to the same line?
HolyShrink 1 year ago
Simple, because I said my hubby lost his job not that he was out of work, he does construction work & is great at it. He currently makes half what he was makeing but I does us just fine because when everything hit we were not living beyond our means. WIC stands for women & infant care, I'm not preggers either, to get welfare you have to have kids, and I'm typing on a very nice pc in my office so I don't think I need a shelter just yet, but hey maybe I cant get some hot dogs on food stamps...
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - you're a bit of an odd duck. You post talking about how tough you have it and asking where you can get help- then get defensive and begin talking about your nice pc and how things are fine when you get an answer. The point is- help is there- if you need it. Yes- even for you.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
It shouldn't be my responsibility to educate your children, as I said I don't have children so that is all I'm doing everytime I pay my property tax is paying for other peoples kids, it's a service I've never used and never will. And I could care less what you do with your freedom just don't try to drag me down with you, I don't mind paying for road because, hey...it's actually something that I use. Although I'd help anyone if asked, don't try to force me to do anything...because u think I shld
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - Yeah- so do you protest the public school system? Should it be abolished? And on a related note- do you not see the value that public schools bring to you and the country- even if you don't have children?
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink
Yes, I protest the liberal indoctrination centers they call "schools". They're the reason our children are so misguided and ubersensitive. The only of our offspring strong enough to defend our nation are those who shake off the shackles of liberal robot-think and embrace the true ideals of America.
Thank God there are still some that do this. And it is for the very reason above that conscription or a draft would be harmful, by letting that ubersensitive element into the military.
USAon3 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - by the way- the "protect my freedom" reference was referring to the military that you pay for.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
In fact, my husband and I have no kids, aren't 65 and not disabled, but he lost his job, where's the help for all the ppl like us? We can't get squat!!!! We are all on our own.....How come we can't get something for nothing paid for by those of you that still have a job?? Same difference....
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - I'm sorry for your situation (unless that was just an example)- but we do have programs for people in your situation. Food stamps/ WIC- welfare- unemployment- stimulus- tax funded shelters. I am not judging you- but I am confused how someone who has experienced the bad luck hand that life can sometimes deal to good people wouldn't support a culture of a helping hand.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
In my country I would be considered Right Wing, by American standards I am probably center left, either way the world does not need a militarily strong America as much as it needs a financially strong America, close to half of your budget goes to defense, whoever you vote in please put your budget in the limelight, confidence breeds investment, the rest including jobs will follow, never before have I seen an America that is so divided, so fearful and so lacking in confidence in your own future.
tr77777 1 year ago
Alex Jones
cyprusxxx 1 year ago
this video sucked.. sorry
spongah 1 year ago
Oh and accourding to my local new channel yesterday, the home foreclosure rate in the next year is expected to exceed 1 million, if Owebamas big plans are working for the American ppl I'd like to know where.....
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
Bottom line, this President has failed on everything. Point blank!! Americans are fed up with his lies, his broken prmises, and his lack of support for this countries Miitary. 2 more years and he is gone, question remains, can this country survive another 2 years of Obama and his radical agenda?
renodude36 1 year ago
The radical Obama agenda. Letting honorable homosexuals serve openly and proudly in the military. RADICAL. Giving the millions of uninsured Americans coverage. RADICAL. Withdrawing from two wars with discipline and honor. RADICAL. Holding bi-partisan meetings with members of a super minority party. RADICAL.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink - there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one - "honorable homosexual".
And Barry isn't giving the uninsured a thing.
WE ARE.
Just like every other liberal, he's very generous with Americans' money, without the least bit of consent from them.
USAon3 1 year ago
@USAon3 - If you think a homosexual can't be an honorable human being- what can I say? I guess I can say- thanks for helping me prove my point. Unfortunately- there are ugly people out there and we need a good man like Obama to make sure minorities and the oppressed are protected. But you are correct- it isn't Obama's money- it is ours. It's a progressive philosophy about being a society- not just a large group of individuals.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, Your absolutely right that those points are Radical. I dont believe homosexuality is right, it has been wrong across most societies for thousands of years. Healthcare is wrong simply because the Fed Govt has no constitutional right to force it upon people. That is RADICAL!. Holding bi-partisan meetings is good, until you use it for political gain and have no desire to actually be bi-partisan. So for that hes simply A LIAR! He deserves impeachment!
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - Well if you don't believe homosexuality is right- then I'll call all the liberals and let them know we need to abandon the issue ASAP. After all- you have the last word and made the excellent and factually water tight argument that homosexuality has been "wrong" for thousands of years". I guess since slavery and discrimination was "right" for even longer in "most societies" we have a good argument for those institutions also.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, I understand your thoughts on this, but You can not compare slavery with homosexual rights. Slavery prevents people from achieving by their color of their skin. Homosexuality is wrong on so many levels because it is contrary to GODS commandments (oh boy here comes the radical comments against God), and by the very biology of humanity. Sorry but 2 gays can not have kids without the other gender (biologically speaking).
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - Ha ha- ok- I won't go anti-God comment because it will take us too far gone- and neither one of us will change their minds. My point in that your opinion does not a fact make- mine either. But if this America and not some radical Islamic country- every citizen has equal protection and equal access to life and liberty and happiness. If homosexuality is bad for society- ok. If it's bad for Christians or Muslims or whoever- too bad because we are not a theocracy.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, we may not be a "theocracy" but this country was built on christian morals and morees. Regardless of how many time secularists try to change history, that is in fact the truth. The 1st amendment was made to prevent a particular christian DENOMINATION from taking over, not from completely excluding Christianity from American society or government. If you read the anti-religious court decissions since 1940's, it was at first anti-denominational, not anti-christian.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 I agree with arguments that the founders wanted a Christian nation- so I usually take this approach- Who Cares? They believed slavery was cool and leeches could cure illness. Great intellects and legendary heroes are not always correct. I think homosexuality is fine- and I respect every homosexual as a citizen- so I just have to argue that even the founders made mistakes and we should fix them. But I married a Baptist- I have no delusion that I will change your mind.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, your way off base, and its a major slander of our founding fathers to say that they all believed that slavery was cool. Many didnt want slavery. But they had to deal with the issue of quickly creating a nation to stand up to the gigantic British army. They created the idea of 4/5th of slave for purposes of vote in congress, as what many at the time thought was a temporary solution, and would be corrected latter. Many wanted freedom for ALL after suffering under British rule.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000_ Even if they needed to build a nation or save God himself- enslaving people is not ok. And even if you think that justifies it- does it justify them owning slaves themselves for personal service? Does it justify raping them and impregnating them? (Tom of course) Does it justify pulling the teeth from their mouths to use as their own? (George) It was a different time- and some slack might be in order- but don't re-write history on me.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, it was a different era, and we are looking at it after over 230years of time with which to analyze what they did. The north states banned slavery in 1805, and even in the south, it was a very small percentage of the south that actually had slaves. There was actually more white indentured servants than blacks, a little known thing in history now. In 1865, America was only country to actually ban slavery because of cruelty. The christian movement in north was fundemental in this.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - I do agree. These men were not monsters- despite what some of their actions make them sound like in 2010. Very different circumstances and conventions. However- I still reject the "well our founding fathers say..." argument in an attempt to address every issue of the current day. Clearly- they were not perfect-and there may be modern issues that need a modern look.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, they were not perfect, but they are perhaps 95%+ on track for what constitutes a great nation. The progressives are about 95% WRONG in all they want for America. They see that the more people are dependant on government, the more likely they will HAVE TO keep the socialist programs in effect. And sadly, that is the truth.
The basics in the constitution are there to protect us from tyranny of an out of control govt. The founders warned of that repeatedly, and they are right!
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - Well I'll just call it like I see. I think you're off the reservation. Overall you seem like a decent person- and the comment isn't meant to be insulting- but between being so anti-gay because of some religious doctrine and the conspiracy theory over social programs- I think you are out of balance. How do you explain all the liberals not in government- and not in need but supportive of social programs? Why would they want people to HAVE TO keep "socialist" programs.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - So if we dropped the "mandate" in the health bill- would you be for it? That is the only straw the unconstitutional lawsuits have in their grasp. Would you support giving health care to millions of uninsured? Would you support regulating the insurance companies and making sure pre-existing conditions couldn't be grounds for rejection- and so on. If not- you don't oppose health care because you think it's unconstitutional.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, I would not be for healthcare if the mandate was dropped simply because the Fed Govt should not be involved. Even if the mandate was dropped, the program would not survive under the weight of the spending. Even medicare was barely surviving (before this mandate cut it by 60%), and its been going on since about 1965. Insurance&Govt can not cover everyone, for everything, regardless of how many mandates are forced upon them. They will eventually collapse under the expense.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - OK- to me that is fair enough. Not that you were waiting for my approval- but I will not argue against people who oppose health care reform based on money. I think it is a legitimate argument and for all I know it might be right. I think it is a good bill because I like its' goal and direction- and the unconstitutional argument is to me a B.S. cover. But when people say it could be economically devastating- I don't just ignore it. The economy concerns all of us.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - As far as President Obama having "no desire to actually be bi-partisan" I didn't realize you were a mind reader. See- I need to see it- like McCain who said he won't vote yes on a single piece of legislation for the rest of the year because he was pouting over health care. Or Boehner who said health care was a horrible government takeover- but then stated agreement with 99% of what was in the bill he voted against. Repeal and replace indeed.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, I dont have to be a mind reader when his actions and that of Pelosi and Reed shout their intentions. Republicans submitted hundreds of amendments (and bills) to the various bills in the past year and half, and not ONE has been added to any bill. That is proof of the lack of bi-partisianship in itself. If that is the case of Mccain, I disagree with that.
I dont want Repeal and replace! I WANT COMPLETE AND TOTAL REPEAL OF THIS UNFUNDED HEALTHCARE MANDATE UPON THE STATES!
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000_ First of all- Reid and Pelosi are not Obama. Everything every democrat does should not be pinned on the President. And I am not aware of every bill or amendment proposed by Republicans- but I do know they were absent on health care ("let's go back to a blank piece of paper") and their fannie and freddie financial "bill" was- in my opinion- toothless and off target. So in those cases I blame the lack of Republican input on the Republicans.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink, I can and should pin it on Obama, simple because as a democratic president, he is the leader and sets the agenda of the democratic party. If he doesnt like it, or doesnt agree with it, he could say so to the American people. As they say "his silence is speaks louder than words".
The Repubs were not "absent" as you say. They put forth many options for healthcare, none used by dems, and many of the Fannie/freddie issues can be traced back to the dems congress in early 1990's.
jacobew2000 1 year ago
@jacobew2000 - I was not making a point about fannie and freddie- I'm making a point about the Republican financial reform bill that was offered to counter the stability act. It was all wrapped up in fannie and freddie. I read half the actual bill and just thought- "This is a waste of my time and would accomplish very little that isn't already in the Dems bill" It looked like a bank protection act- and that's why the financial bill was a partisan effort. The Republicans bill sucked.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@renodude36 Thats a good question, I say the longer we bide our time to try and avoid maritial law the more damage he's going to do and the more rights and freedoms we will lose, I think we should just joint forces now and hit while everything is in our favor, take back our country because I don't know how everybody else feels but I don't have any hope a diffrent party or president will reverse all the damage or give up all the elites power back to the people.
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@renodude36 Check politifact for Obama's "lies" and "broken promises". You'll see he tells the truth and keeps his promises rather often. How does he not support the military? By allowing gays to openly serve, something recommended by the generals? And this is a nation of civilian control, not a military dictatorship. As a country, we have to stop our infatuation with military might. And Obama's agenda is by today's standards center left, not radical in the slightest.
atlant80 1 year ago
@atlant80 Really, over sixty days without a so much as a finger lifted by this administration after the oil spill yet he says they have been on top of it since day one, when in fact he didn't even address the disaster till after 15 days. Second He went on t.v and lied on equitpment and man power used to help clean up, when fishermen were blocked by red tape from going out to assist the efforts to keep from the oil from coming on shore. They werent even allowed to build burms, until 46 days later
renodude36 1 year ago
@atlant80 13 Countries offered to send ships to aid the oil clean up, they were turned down by this administration even in writing. He still has yet to create any jobs especialy now with this morotorium in place has taken away jobs from about 22,000 Americans but yet he says the federal government is doing everything possible to help the people of Lousiana. The radicalism comes when this president continues to more and more restrictions on banks and businesss so that small businesses can't grow
renodude36 1 year ago
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renodude36 1 year ago
@atlant80 Oh yea, during this presidents campiagn, he promised transparency in the White House. I have yet to see it. He's cut NASA which put 12,000 scientists out of work. The Firing of General McCrystal, the down sizing of our weapons, kissing the ass of the Mexican president. 4 Terrorist attacks on America since last June all on his watch. And all he's done to secure our borders was to pass a law suit on AZ. This president is not only inncompitant, but worthless. What has he done right?
renodude36 1 year ago
The reason people (even Democrats) don't like Obama is because he has gotten what he wanted and the country is miserable. He takes responsibility for nothing and divides along class, race, and gender lines, agitating an already partisan public at every opportunity. He's not a leader, he's just an agitator.
milleajj 1 year ago
The government is sitting on the sidelines while Americans get poorer and poorer? Absurd. The stimulus was aimed directly at middle class unemployed. Health care was aimed directly at those in poverty. And financial reform is loaded with consumer protection for the everyman- even those who get in over their head with a signature. How effective are the policies? We'll see- but the government is far from the sidelines.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink Government is the biggest problem...Greed, and corruption on both sides. the Democrats wanted this oil spill to attempt to show America that they can handle a crisis, that Failed, 4 terrorist attacks on Obamas watch and he has done nothing to secure the Borders, not to mention his lack of support for AZ. Just make any febal attemt to pretend he cares, like sending troop to help the border patrol after the fact, makes more obviouse that he is not fit to sit in the oval office..
renodude36 1 year ago
@renodude36 - if Obama isn't fit to sit in the White House- then the White House should remain empty. He's not perfect- but who is? He is an example of the best we can be- intellectually and morally.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
And FYI the kind of law that requires Americans to have health care coverage is the same kind of law that requires drivers to have car insurance- children to attend school and be immunized- people to pay taxes- etc. It's called "common good"- and lack of health coverage effects everyone- physically and economically. Making sure everyone has coverage simply makes sense- but I'm sure you know that.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink Just a few examples how Government when intwined into our persoanl lives can gain control of everything, under Obama, soon they will tell you what to feed your family and what kind of clothes you should wear to work and how you should get there. If you want Governent in you home and control everything, be my guest.
renodude36 1 year ago
@renodude36 - Yeah- and soon they'll tell homosexuals they can serve openly and proudly in the military. Oh- the horror... maybe if people weren't inherently stupid- we wouldn't need the government to tell us certain things. But alas...
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink I can only hope...I served for 9 yrs, with no problems, honerably and with dedication. I think gays have that right. But totaly different topic.
renodude36 1 year ago
@renodude36 - No it isn't a different topic. You can't suggest the government has no role in shaping society on one issue- but does in another. The large majority of America opposes gay marriage- that doesn't make it right.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink There is a huge diffence between shaping society and taking control of it.
renodude36 1 year ago
@HolyShrink There is a big dirrerence there, not everyone owns/drives a car and therefor are not taxed/penalized/fined, alot of ppl home school their kids & don't get immunization and therefor are not taxed/penalized/fined, alot of ppl are on welfare & I don't know if they pay taxes but if they do it's from walfare money paid in by hard working Americans not them. This is about redistribution of wealth, take from 1 class to give to another for free, or be fined/taxed/penalized.
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - if you say health care reform is about redistribution of wealth- nothing I say can will change your mind. In fact- you might even be right. But I supported it both to help poor people with no coverage- and to provide a net for me and my family if we are hit with a serious illness or injury- the kind that bankrupts hard working Americans with insurance. I believe Obama did it for those reasons.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink: You are very much the kind of Liberal I enjoy debating. A true believer. You are correct when you say that health care reform, as a "redistribution program" differentiates us. Very true!
NObamma2008 1 year ago
@NObamma2008 - I have to admit I am a pretty far left liberal- but I'm not sure if I would feel the need to jump in to every liberal issue with both feet if everything was not met with such vitriol and misinformation. I kind of agreed that health insurance was a little expensive at a bad time for the economy- but when the death panel B.S. and dying in the street rhetoric started- I felt like rational debate was counter productive- because no one listens to that.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink: I think the basic difference between Liberals and conservatives is that Liberals believe all men are responsible for helping their fellow man, whereas conservatives believe that all men are responsible for themselves. Each belief has value, but they are in opposition. I say "man" in the generic sense!
NObamma2008 1 year ago
@NObamma2008 - I think that is a standard difference- but I'm not saying all conservatives are "sink, swim, or go to hell" either - I know many simply prefer charities and non- mandated ways to help those in need. Not all conservatives are greedy pricks and not all liberals are lazy looking for a handout.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink And I respect your feeling about your reasons but does that mean that the Govt has the right on your behalf or anyone elses to force me to purchase a product to do the same or be taxed/penalized/fined, when did it become my responsibility to provide for your family or anyone elses? If you couldn't provide for your family maybe you should have did what I did and chose not to have a family. (I had difference reasons but principle is same)
AwohaliSagwu 1 year ago
@AwohaliSagwu - When did it become your responsibility to educate my children? Or to protect my freedom? Or to pave my highways? Because if I don't pay taxes- then you're paying for all those things for me. Some of us see health care to be as important- or even more so- then education- and we think everyone should have it. Yes- some people may get it for "free"- but we live in a society- where our collective wealth (taxes) establishes institutions for the common good. We're already there.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
@HolyShrink
If it's not a relative, someone else's lack of heatlhcare doesn't affect me unless I'm forced by law to pay for it - and that's exactly what Barrycare does. It robs Americans to pay for all.
"common good" - there's a phrase used often by communist despots - figures that Barry would have that in his lexicon.
USAon3 1 year ago
@USAon3 -communist despots and evil dictators have also been known to say "get me a cheeseburger" - but that doesn't make McDonald's customers evil. I know you also hate public schools- yes? So I can't really argue with you- you adhere to that philosophy regardless of the politician. I can't say you are wrong on that- but I disagree. I think a society should use it's government to help ease the burden of poverty- and also to protect the middle class that falls on hard times.
HolyShrink 1 year ago
Health Care reform- delivered
Financial Reform- delivered
End the wars- responsibly and honroably delivering
Advance women's rights- delivered on multiple counts
Advance Latino rights- delivered
Restore America's global image- delivered
Bring bi-partisanship to Washington- attempted but rejected
HolyShrink 1 year ago