Downloading Videos, YouTube ToS, Copyright, and You

[cdhitman550]

nah dip

[ChristiannaGarrett1]

Thanks. Really useful info.

[kemry55]

lolz do you like english class or somthing

[DdlyHeadshot]

I grant anyone the right to mirror my videos from hereon (as long as they link back to my channel). OK, now what's YouTube's angle..?

[IkilledGatti]

if you make your own video which uses footage from someone elses uploaded video, can they claim copyright to it if they have since deleted that video?in other words. can someone file a dmca claim for one of their deleted videos being used by another user?

[unassumption]

is it possible to film the screen and mirror that way w/o downloading?

[DdlyHeadshot]

Possible - yes, I've done it myself on other sites (not YouTube).  Legal... Dunno...

[unassumption]

This was about youtube being against the mirroring of videos when the person wants their videos mirrored right? You could always say you gave everyone the video to be mirrored in an email or something; it would be on the person who made it's hard-drive before and potentially after they upload. While in all likelyhood they will have downloaded, the website cannot assume it has been downloaded before mirroring. If the person doesn't want them mirrored then sucks to be the mirror-er :P

[fuzzytime205]

yr suckish dude

[ZER01NE1NE]

lolwut

[TheShatnerMan31]

"Good Morning. Good Afternoon, or Good Evening depending on the time where it is in your area when you watch this video" lol another youtuber has a similar intro.

[ZER01NE1NE]

haha nice

[featherwinglove]

6:07: Actually ... the computer downloads a file that is *.flv (I think) that plays in the Youtube player. That obviously can't be construed as a ToS violation, although the ToS should be worded more smartly so no one needs to fear downloading these *.flv files ... the youtube player doesn't work without them, so it obviously fits under "provided functionality"; the word "copy" covers any redistrubition of *.flv files if (should I say "when"?) someone figures out how to do that.

[Kaibaman21]

This is true I have noticed from any kind of video ripper is your computer does temporarily download a .flv file so you can view the video in fact on some video rippers if you download a video from the SAME CHANNEL and download a previous video you have to make a copy and paste that video because the original file will be over-rided . Plus youtube also has a program were on specific channels like whitehouse or so you can actually download the video with a fee so yeah.

To featherwinglove

[featherwinglove]

I wanted to add "(should I say has?)" to the end of my comment, but my char count ran out.

[ZER01NE1NE]

That download link that you see on WhiteHouse is provided by YouTube, so clause 5B DOES allow people to download videos that way.

[ZER01NE1NE]

Yeah, I think they should scrap clause 5B entirely. Clause 4C already prohibits you from accessing "User Submissions...or YouTube Content through any technology or means other than the video playback pages of the Website itself, the YouTube Embeddable Player, or other explicitly authorized means YouTube may designate." That in itself prohibits you from using third-party software to download videos. This also prohibits you from retrieving the temporary .FLV file, so clause 5B is not necessary.

[Sports2FilmReviews]

But some people make tribute videos.

[ZER01NE1NE]

You mean where they compile clips of people's videos? Yeah people do that, and they have to download videos in order to do this, but YouTube, as far as I know, has never enforced this rule.

[BillyGrozy]

nice man the happycabbie made a response

that'll get u some subs =]

[ZER01NE1NE]

Lol, true, but the point of this video wasn't to get subscribers or views. The point of this video was to generate discussion, which it certainly has.

[BillyGrozy]

lol i know

i was just saying that its pretty cool

btw im finally getting a dotcom domain

i just bought it now i gots to set it up =]

[ZER01NE1NE]

Ooh, nice! What is it? billygrozy[.]com?

[BillyGrozy]

yup

he can you get on aim?

i need a little help

i dont have enough to buy hosting and i want to use webs[.]com to host

[websnarf]

1) Rules don't prevent privacy.

2) Some tools like the Real Player plugin for Internet Explorer allow you to download any flash video.

3) As a matter of technology, playing the video intrinsically requires downloading it. Your browser puts a copy of the video in its cache.

[ZER01NE1NE]

1) It's PIRACY, not PRIVACY. And even if this rule doesn't prevent PIRACY, I'm just giving a possible reason that it could be in place.

2) The Real Player plugin is still a violation of the ToS, since the link isn't put there by YouTube.

3) I understand how caching works. Some people make this argument against the ToS. When they say "download", they basically mean saving the file onto your computer for purposes other than watching the video on the video watch page.

[ZER01NE1NE]

*when YouTube's ToS says "download"

[websnarf]

1) YouTube has no interest w.r.t. content piracy outside of legal obligations.

2) Real is a corporation that must comply with the DMCA. Real is not a signatory of the YouTube policies. YT's TOS cannot dictate how you use your browser.

3) Yes, I notice you have no counter argument. Downloading to the cache, is what makes YT practical (it makes rewind possible). YT cannot tell you to not look in your browser cache.

[ZER01NE1NE]

Well, if you think I'm wrong, then give me another possible reason that this rule could be in place. Otherwise, don't come onto my channel mixing up "piracy" with "privacy."

Also, expecting me to have a counter argument for point #3 when I don't even disagree with it in the first place makes no sense. Do you expect me to deny how an internet browser works?

[HappyCabbie]

Excellent video, TMA sent me here. You are correct in many points but I want to clarify the download link that some partners have. It is a pilot program and yes I am part of it. I had to apply. I must certify that I possess not only the copyright to the video but also the world wide distribution rights to the video. To enable download I have the option to set it at 99 cents by default or to have it free. Followed up in next comment

[HappyCabbie]

I set mine for free because I know that nobody is going to pay to download when they can just rip it for free. Also I have the option of putting it in the public domain, or under creative common license. Because I am an attention whore I select Creative Common License and select the option to let others make derivitave works and to allow commercial use of my content. It takes 48 hours for a video to be approved for downloading.

[HappyCabbie]

The third point is your claim that corporations do not belong here on YouTube. The reasons these music companies are here is because they know that they cannot fight copyright infringement, thus they signed contracts and now make money instead of losing money.

[ZER01NE1NE]

I wondered how partners got download links. I've seen a bunch of videos with download links but I didn't know how they got those. Thanks for explaining that.

You're right, nobody's going to pay for a video when they can download it for free, so there's no point in making people pay for it.

The problem is, YouTube was never meant for large companies, it was meant for small users to share their creative work. In that sense, by pirating music, users have caused this rule to be put into place.

[HappyCabbie]

I recorded a video response, I will post it tomorrow. Basically I show how to submit a video for downloading. You will get to see it done.

[ZER01NE1NE]

Cool, thanks! I can't wait to see!

[snoggerforce76]

downloaded

[ZER01NE1NE]

haha

[CoIorado]

Alright this video is awesome!

and your greeenscreen is badass

[ZER01NE1NE]

Thanks dude :-)

[ZER01NE1NE]

thanks dude

[themaskedanalyst]

Sorry for the late response. This really deserves a video response, but you got me at a particularly busy time. I hope I will be able to respond by next Monday or Tuesday.

[ZER01NE1NE]

OK, thanks, it's fine. No need to rush. ;-)

[fuzzytime205]

kool dude

[ZER01NE1NE]

thanks :)

[MusicmanAlexG]

I have used material in the past from other people's accounts, but I have always asked before I used them. Would that still be considered a violation?

Also, no one would buy something on youtube if they could get if for free (obviously) I see the download link on vids for Hotforwords, but I wouldn't buy it anyway. Plus, when I do download vids from youtube, I just put them on my ipod.

I only have 2 videos where people can get the exact files (I use fileshare)

[ZER01NE1NE]

If you have their permission then it's not a copyright violation. It's only a violation of YouTube's Terms of Service. If you want to avoid breaking the Terms of Service, the best thing to do is ask the copyright owner for a link to download the video from a file-sharing site.

You're right, some of the larger partners have download links where you have to pay for the download, but of course nobody's going to pay for it. That's why the rule is in place.

Thanks for commenting!

[BreffmintsMDV2010]

5/5

BTW I love the title of the video.

[ZER01NE1NE]

Lol. Thanks for rating!

[BillyGrozy]

ive done that ive taken the mp3 through that b4 the programs stopped working

[ZER01NE1NE]

They didn't stop working, I just downloaded a video right now using a third-party website, they still work.

[BillyGrozy]

can you pm a link?

the two sites i used stopped working for youtube at the same time

[ZER01NE1NE]

I use keepvid[.]com.

[Kayblue10]

Sounds useful, but I think this is also another greenscreen test, party :P

5 stars for getting Youtube brownie points! XD

[ZER01NE1NE]

Lol, yeah, this is kind of a greenscreen test.

Thanks for rating!

[bmxguy94]

lol cool are you on about downloading youtube video's in particular

[ZER01NE1NE]

Yes, that's the whole point of this video.

[bmxguy94]

ok I use youtube downloader but only to download music videos but then I convert them to mp3

[ZER01NE1NE]

Yeah, clause 5B is in place to make sure people don't do that and steal music and stuff, but that's the most disregarded rule in the ToS.

[bmxguy94]

well I do use ITunes as well

[sniffer94]

just download VDOWNLOADER and then you can download videos and songs :P

[ZER01NE1NE]

Is VDownloader for YouTube? Or some other website?

[sniffer94]

Youtube and many other sites :P

[ZER01NE1NE]

There are many programs and websites that can also download videos.

[megar2009]

yay u said my favorite band green day

[ZER01NE1NE]

haha

thanks for watching!

[allTimeSubscriber]

Nice video really explains everything right. 5/5

[ZER01NE1NE]

Thanks for the feedback and rating!

[gamingentertainerz]

youtube is in a beta form for downloading youtube videos.. on partners like me can try it out

[ZER01NE1NE]

Yeah, I know, I've seen download links on some partner videos.

[ZER01NE1NE]

thanks dude

[TechTechMan]

Great video dude. Love the green screen and shadown effect once again =]

[ZER01NE1NE]

Thanks for the input.

[sub43subs]

5 stars

[ZER01NE1NE]

Thanks for rating!