ANSWER: If you lowered all the mountain areas and lifted all the valley areas equally the earth would be a perfect sphere and the amount of water on the earth right now is more than enough to cover the entire globe exactly as deep as the bible says it was. Figure it out for yourself. Every field of real imperical science proves the Bible is true. As a former athiest and evolutionist it was hard to finally admit that, I scoured through refutations but in the end the evolutionist side = EPIC FAIL
@JungleJargon NO, there is no evidence at all of a flood. The fossils like crinoids preserved in sedimentary layers are so numerous that they would cover more than the earth's surface, if all lived (and died at once in a great flood).
Also, many rock strata are not formed by water: Desert varnish is formed by exposure to the air, some kinds of sandstone by deserts, tillite by glaciers, etc.
Finally, where the hell was all that sediment BEFORE the Imaginary Flood?
@InternetDarkLord We live on top of the sediments deposited by the flood. It is not possible for you to disprove actual verifiable historical events such as the flood.
Everything in the sediments deposited by the flood were buried by the flood. Everything built on top of the sediments deposited by the flood existed after the flood which was no more than 5,100 years ago.
Ok, no matter how much (evidence) you Creationists present for a global flood, it will no convince any body because the idea it self is Impossible!!. A global flood wold release so much vapor that you would drowned from breathing the air!!! not to mention the weight of the atmosphere would crush your lungs!!! So building a boat wold be the least of Noah's concerns :D. And on top of that you could write a book about the other 1000+ reasons,evidence,facts against a global flood! SO STFU
@tigerclaw1000 You got any evidence of that genius? You do know The Bible says all land dwelling air breathing life outside the Ark was killed right? So your claim of the flood being an impossibility because of the vapor release is actually evidence for it, thanks for your support. Tell me some of those reasons why a flood is impossible in that book your writing.
Decent vid...nice choice in music...but what does it have to do with the Noah Myth?
As to the wales..If you are refering to the ones in Chille, they are only 1/2 mile from the coast and that area of land was pushed up by platectonics, thus it WAS under water once. and is hardly a "mountain"
I'm not certain whether or not there was a global flood, but the answer to your video is that the bible says the earth was torn apart and changed during the flood. In other words, there were not mountains like we see today before the flood. If the earth was flat, there is enough water to cover the whole thing 8000 ft deep.
@InternetDarkLord Yes, and the high spots were not as high pre-flood. It also says the earth as it was vanished and was torn apart. Just saying there is enough water on earth to cover everything, it didn't have to appear or disappear if the surface of the earth was different. I'm neutral on this argument though, I just know enough to know that I don't know enough.
@limpingcrab Please explain how the flood could tear apart the earth. Logic says that pouring rain for 40 days would flatten mountains, instead of adding more height. (And where does the Bible say this, anyway?)
Also, if the flood created geologic strata, then where did it erode from in the first place? Sediment can't deposit unless it also erodes.
Another problem with claiming that the Imaginary Flood created the ocean is that the sea creates our climate, by absorbing energy by day, and releasing it by night. It also generates over half the oxygen in the air. So without the sea, earth would have been lifeless.
On a funny note, Genesis Chapter 1 refers to the ocean existing before the flood anyway.
BTW, the average ocean depth is about 13,000 feet. So if you somehow-don't ask how- raised the sea bottom to current sea level, the ocean still would not reach the valley bottoms around Mount Everest.
You can't do that anyway, because the continents are less dense granite floating on more dense basalt like ice on a pond.
@InternetDarkLord I'm not certain whether or not there was a global flood, but the answer to your video is that the bible says the earth was torn apart and changed during the flood. In other words, there were not mountains like we see today before the flood. If the earth was flat, there is enough water to cover the whole thing 8000 ft deep.
@gregrutz If you don't know it by know that I DO NOT believe that Mt. Everest was there before the flood, you probably never will. If you think Neph and equestions are "dumb" people, you should seriously read the definition of that word again. If you're so smart, go to that video and debate him. Sence he's "dumber" than Neph, it should be a super easy win for you.
@ironman197268 WHY DEBATE HIM. YOU CAN SHOW FACTS TO A CREATIONIST ALL DAY LONG AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT IT IS YOUR WORLD VIEW. THEY WILL NOT LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
NEPHI STILL THINKS THE EARTH IS THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING. WHEN I PROVED HIM WRONG HE BLOCKED ME, JUST LIKE HE BLOCKS EVERYONE WHO SHOWS HIM HOW STUPID HE IS.
@gregrutz I was talking about equestions, the one who has the video you couldn't watch cause it made you laugh so hard. Where did you PROVE Neph wrong about anything other than in some MATH problems? Cause that is the only place PROOF, PROVE and PROVIN exist. So come on man, go over to that video "Why doesn't anyone question thuderf00t (part 1)" and leave a comment and tell him what you think, show him whos the MAN!!
what happened to the water? i shall tell you. it literally went underneath China. wheres my source you say? seismologists. i never heard of it? well now you did, its called the beijing anomaly. search it up, its a volume of water under the earths crust with the same volume of water as the arctic ocean. we know that from global warming, if the arctic were to melt, the whole earth would flood. well there you go, the answer is underneath china.
@RCACsurvivorman How does water get under China? You sound as silly as Walt's Hydroplate theory with water under pressure erupting forth. Water is under China in rocks just like well water. You can't hide 29,000 feet of water under ground.
@SeenAndNotSeen The water didn't go anywhere, the land rose up out of the water from the Earth's crust shifting and sinking. Some of it was sucked up in the ice caps frozen in the poles forming the ice age.
@ironman197268 Please cite your source on that. Chapter and verse, please. Again, why do you make up an explanation when the Bible already gives an explanation in Genesis 8:1?
@SeenAndNotSeen This isn't in The Bible if that's what you're asking, this is Dr. Walt Browns hydroplate theory. The video is just a few inches to the right, check it out. The wind God made pass over the water may have nothing to do with the waters subsiding, It doesn't say the wind made or caused the waters to subside.
@ironman197268 So you're saying that God created a wind, just for the hell of it, and it did nothing, but was included in the Bible just for the hell of it. Despite the fact that it says, in the exact same sentence, that the waters subsided, there is no causal relationship between the wind and the subsidence of the water. Meanwhile, the ACTUAL explanation is nowhere in the Bible and had to be hypothesized some 3000 years after the story was written.
@SeenAndNotSeen The Bible has little to do with how, it's an account of why and about a relationship between man and his creator. Don't confuse science and physics, our method for explaining what we observe in the natural, with a clearly supernatural event. It's a waste of time. You think this is a cleaver video, it's really a clear confession of your ignorance on the Bible. Far better men have spent there lives beating on this rock, only to die defeated.You proved you're biblically ignorant.
@PhalanxPerception That's funny, because "creation scientists" would say that you are the one who has made a "clear confession of your ignorance on the Bible" by compartmentalizing the Bible and science, ignoring what scripture has to say about history and the natural world.
If you don't think Noah's flood can be explained scientifically, and you don't think the Bible should be taught as science, this video is not mean for you, no matter how badly you want it to be so you can claim victory.
@PP When I criticize non-literalist Christians for their inconsistent views, I get smug repsonses from literalists who brag that I haven't disproven the "real" Christianity. When I then criticize biblical literalism for its obvious falsehood, I get smug responses from non-literalists who tell me I'm "ignorant" for attacking a simplistic theology. Either way, there's always some self-important asshole who feels vindicated when I don't happen to address his pet ideology in that one instance.
@SeenAndNotSeen If it makes you feel any better, once science gets established, every religion claims they believed it the whole time. 100 years from now religious fanatics will claim the Bible clearly predicted that a meteor would hit the Mars colony.
@gregrutz You should read Walt Browns book "In the Beginning" where it talks about subterranean water chambers, all that water shot up to the surface and the land sank down in it's place. How about all the land under water and those under water islands in the pacific ocean called guyots? You're the one making up stories, your favorite being "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR A GLOBAL FLOOD" There's plenty of evidence.
@ironman197268 He talks about subterranean water chambers, and ?>> He made it up to match the bible flood story. NO Evidence.
There is evidence the earth is old. Look at all the layer of rock exposed in the Grand Canyon. How did 5000 feet of sediment, some desert sands, get to 8000 feet above see level? And there are layer under that.
@gregrutz If it matches the Bible flood story then he did not make up anything. Those layers in the Grand Canyon is evidence of a global flood, otherwise there would be erosion marks in between the layers, you know, while the newest layer is waiting millions of years for the next one to form, it most likely got RAINED on a time or two. And please, do not send me any thunderfoot, cdk007, potholer54, or donexodus videos. I've seen them all, and I can't decide which one is the worst.
@gregrutz Why would you say I keep forgetting about those fossils, when we have not even mentioned fossils in this debate? You've got some circular reasoning going on too, basing the age of those layers on the fossils found in them.
"THE WHOLE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN IS A SEA BED. You figure it out." That's funny, I've got it figured out. You are the first person to actually DENY the existence of the Giant oysters and clams that are up there.
@ironman197268 I DENY what you claim. YES there are clams on the top of mountains, but is is not there because the water was that high. Where did 29,029 feet of water go? I am saying there is a whole sea floor that makes up the mountians. They ocean floor was raised up over millions of years. Mt. Everest is still going up, they can measure it.
@gregrutz Of coarse you didn't watch it, you where getting ready to be presented with good evidence about micro fossils on the Moon and it scared you. Peer reviewed papers, not Wikipedia that the great and powerful, I know everything in the universe thunderf00t uses. You asked me for evidence and I delivered, and what do you say, I was laughing too to watch the whole thing...
@gregrutz Explain something for me, about 27,000 feet above sea level, up near the top of Mt. Everest of coarse, there is hundreds of giant clams and oysters that are petrified in the CLOSED position. How do you think they got up there? And please don't give me that "UPLIFT" talk either because Mt. Everest is 450 miles away from the nearest ocean, you know... where Clams and Oysters belong.
Genesis is fiction:This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as opposed to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
I think it does, let me try to explain my understanding
Lets assume for a moment that the flood did not consist of still waters, but rather a flow of water. If the water came from underwater chambers located in the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, such as Walter Brown' model suggests, then the waters would most likely be flowing over the land toward a low point that we call the Pacific Ocean. Given the vast amount of water, it could possibly take 150 days to recede, separating the continents.
Nice vid. Thanks for the pizza. Yeah, I had to pay for it, but it didn't cost me very much. Even as a Christian. Tell Brak thanks as well. I'm still laughing.
The "global flood" is the most ridiculous piece of garbage ever contrived by ancient desert-dwelling primitives.
It never happened. There is absolutely no evidence for it ever happening. Every field of science, from geology to biology to physics, has shown the idea to be false.
But humanity is shamefully stupid when it comes to religion and believing in these ancient false stories. My elementary school teacher told us that this was just an old myth and I never had a second of belief in Noah's Ark. Now 30 years or so later I can find fellow grown-up Americans actually believing in this shit. The biggest joke is felon Kent Hovind version of Noah's Ark seen from a "science" perspective. These people are putting a great shame on America...
@GhostOfPaley: Your absolutely right that a global flood never happened, but let's look at the view point of those primitives. In ancient times most people never went more than about 25 miles from their homes. The roads and conveyances we take for granted just didn't exist till at least Roman times for the most basic highways. And being largely agrarian populations, they settled on flood plains for the most fertile land. (continued)
@GhostOfPaley: These areas would've been their entire world. So it's really easy to understand their viewpoint with that knowledge. The problem is when moderns, who really should know better, take old folklore as fact and try to push it on everyone else. Even worse, they do this in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. No, I don't blame the ignorant of the past, I blame the fools of today.
It didn't happen, there has been no evidence ever discovered to support this event.
The Bible is a collection of moral parables writen by scientifically primitive man for primitive man to instill a desired behavor and belief system by the theocratic leadership of the time.
Also the Hindus, Buddest and other theist faiths do not record such an event. Only those rooted in the old testement.
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To answer the question. The water did not go anywhere. Psalms 104:8 in most translations, says the Mountians rose up and the valleys sank down. In other words, MT Everest was not as high as it is today. Nor were the ocean valleys as deep as they are today But anyways, the Bible also said people would scoff at it in the end. I think you guys need to follow your thoughts home and look deeper into things. I was a skeptic once as yourselves. But than I put aside my pride.
Wrong. Genesis 8:1 clearly states that it was a wind that drove the water away:
"And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged"
People have been scoffing at it since its inception, not just "in the end". More and more, is science simply proving that it is false.
The reason it says "people will scoff at it in the end" is to keep gullible fools like you to keep from looking at the evidence, because the bible itself tells you not to.
Look deeper into things? What he hell do you mean? Look deeper into the evidence and find... more... evidence?
You don't even know what's in the very book that you believe so blindly. If the Earth was to have done what you say it did, even though the Bible doesn't say that, nor does science - it's just a complete fabrication of your own making to excuse yourself for believing in your goat-herding bronze age mythology - if the sea trenches had mysteriously deepened suddenly for no reason, it would cause a massive shift in the tectonic plates, causing huge earthquakes.
Oh, and also! How the heck was My. Everest "not as high as it is today"? Where is any kind of proof for that? Geological formations don't just happen, mountains don't just get bigger, they actually get SMALLER over time as they wear away - the mass doesn't sprout wings and fly up to the top of the mountain to add to it.
And no, the rest of the Earth did not get smaller, it continually gets added to, as you can see with the layers of the Earth.
But that does not, would not, ever, happen in the space of a week, as this guy says. If it did did happen in 6 days, the speed of it would probably tear the world apart.
We have been measuring Mt. Everest's height for quite some time now, and as the tectonic plates push together it grows higher at a rate of 2.4 inches per year. It grows from the bottom, not the top, and it does wear away, but despite that it still grows higher. It is currently 29,035 feet tall.
Using this rate of growth , we can calculate the age of Mt. Everest. The answer is 145,000 years. Please note that number is significantly larger than 6,000.
This would be true if the rate of growth has always been the same. However, I have reason to believe that the majority, possibly all, of the mountains were formed during or slightly after the flood in a relatively short amount of time. The continents were once joined as one dry land mass. The fountains of the deep burst forth in the middle of this land separating the land into the Americas and Europe, Africa, etc. This is achieved with water lubrication under the land. See Browns Model
I have reason to believe you're a gigantic retard, but until I can prove it scientifically I'm not going to assert it as fact.
Anyway, there's no global flood. China would have noticed. They were around before then and none of them needed to build an ark. Their civilization continued uninterrupted, with no reports of water covering the mountaintops. Did God just miss a few nations during the omnicide?
Believe what you want my friend. China does have a legend of a global flood story very similar to the one mentioned in the Bible. In fact, these legends can be found in a lot of different places. These legends don't necessarily prove anything, but they most defiantly shows that some happen on a global scale.
I can not say when the flood happened, only that it did and that a day is coming of greater judgment. Turn to Christ for salvation.
Rather than taking the time to copy and paste your words back to you sarcastically, please imagine I have instead replaced your baseless assertions with facts and concluded, for humor value, with the blind threat that the flying spaghetti monster will send you to hell for incorrectly making an irrational conclusion as to the existence of gods and furthermore one particular god as opposed to any others when there is no evidence for such.
I'm serious when I call you friend. We are both sinners in need of redemption and thus would share common judgment if not for the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ on my soul.
All I can say is that you are warned of the coming destruction and have no excuse for your unbelief.
I'm not a sinner, and I'm not in need of redemption. If I were in need of redemption, I'd atone for it personally at the police station or courthouse rather than through human sacrifice.
Please understand that even if I were convinced Yahweh exists and was omnipotent and had created the universe, I still would not accept an act of human sacrifice as the basis for morality, even under threat of eternal torture.
Your god has more to answer for than his mere non-existence.
@Jman3000 just because some ancient people wrote about a flood does not mean it was a global one. Everywhere experiences floods from time to time. to them water rising 10 to 20 feet would seem like a global flood. specially when they thought the earth was flat. some even wrote about a huge black snake that flew around the galaxy and every so often destroys the earth. does that mean a huge snake is real, or that maybe it was a commit, or solar storm. do you believe the huge snake is real? why not
@Jman3000 On one side of the earth the plates are over lapping causing the land to sink into the center of the earth. On the other side, it is thrusting land outwards. Thats why the continents are seperating, but slowly coming together on the other side of the earth. Mountains take thousands of years grow. If they were to just pop up out of know where. Our weather paterns would be severly altered. The earth is over 6 BILLION years old
@bobby472 Who's to say that our the earth weather patterns weren't severely altered? Also, how does a very fast underwater process of forming mountains change the weather? I can understand how mountains block wind patterns, is this what you mean? The climate of earth was very different from the flood. Dramatically changing weather fits right in to the Biblical account of the Global flood. It was a dramatic event and the destruction of it can still be seen today in earthquakes, tornadoes ,etc.
@bobby472 The idea of a the global flood being local is contrary to the Bible. Modern people often underestimate the intelligence of ancient people. These people had a good understanding of mathematics and were able to calculate the passing of time by the stars. The only example I can think of people thinking the earth was flat is the whole Christopher Columbus deal. What about the people in the east? Did they think the earth was flat? I think they too have stories of a Global Flood.
@Jman3000 1) The first person to prove a round earth was Eratosthenes in the 200s BCE, many centuries after the writing of Genesis. Prior to that, people generally did believe in a flat earth.
Moreover, "the whole Christopher Columbus deal" was a myth. The educated people of Europe knew the Earth was round, and their objections to Columbus's route were not that he would fall off the earth, but that he would be killed in the vast unexplored ocean, perhaps by sea monsters.
@SeenAndNotSeen "people generally did believe in a flat earth. " Who exactly?
If you climb to the top of a high mountain the entire earth's surface can not be seen. It seems obvious to me that people would be able to figure out the earth is not flat when they walk on seemingly flat land and suddenly see a mountain that
appears over the horizon. If i'm not mistaken, people use moved around a lot, even over seas, hence Native Americans. Also if the flood was local, shouldnt Noah have seen land?
@Jman3000 It's easy to observe the world with modern scientific knowledge and marvel at how obvious it is, but facts such as the earth's curvature would not necessarily have been so obvious to someone who has never heard of the notion, especially since it defies common sense. The earth certainly appears flat, and even if someone had observed a curvature of teh earth from a high up place, they wouldn't have been so easily able to put two and two together and conclude that the earth is spherical.
@Jman3000 Furthermore, the Bible seems to presuppose a flat earth in some passages. For instance, when Satan tempts Jesus in Matthew 4, he brings him to a tall mountain and shows him "all the kingdoms of the world," which would only be possible on a flat Earth.
Genesis 8:1 says that God sent a wind over the earth to push back the waters and end the great flood. If the earth were presumed a sphere, and it were totally submerged, a wind would solve nothing, which is the whole point of this video!
@SeenAndNotSeen Wasn't Matthew written after Eratosthenes during/after the time of the Roman Empire? At this time there were a lot of advancements ind many different areas. I am sure that people were aware of the earth being round.
Genesis 8:1 (Complete Jewish Bible)
God remembered Noach, every living thing and all the livestock with him in the ark; so God caused a wind to pass over the earth, and the water began to go down.
It doesn't say what the wind exactly did, just stated 2 events
@Jman3000 As for Noah being able to see land if the flood were local, I never claim that Genesis describes a local flood. While the Genesis flood is probably based on an actual (local) flood, the Genesis story itself describes a worldwide flood. If you haven't caught on by now, I'm not a believer in the Bible or even a Christian for that matter. The point about Noah not seeing land may be useful when arguing with a Christian who believes in a local flood, but not with me.
Guess what? REALITY is contrary to The Bible. A global flood is impossible and has no evidence supporting it in any case.
And of course, most of The Bible was plagiarized from earlier mythological stories and religious texts. Noah's flood is a blatant copy of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
@gregrutz How does Chinese flood history support this conclusion? The Chinese wouldn't have all died, because there weren't any until after the global flood. The same goes with Egyptians and every other nation we have today.
By 6000 BC Egyptians in the SW corner of Egypt were herding cattle and constructing large buildings. Subsistence in organized and permanent settlements in predynastic Egypt by the middle of the 6th millennium BC centered predominantly on cereal and animal agriculture. Metal objects replaced prior ones of stone. Tanning of animal skins, pottery and weaving are common. There are indications of seasonal occupation of the Al Fayyum in the 6th millennium BC.
There is no date specifically given, the time of the flood is estimation based on genealogies. How do we know that it was 6000 BC when the Egyptians did what you say?
@gregrutz Yes, there are people studying history, but how do i know what they say is true? I'm not suggesting it isn't, I am saying that evidence can be misinterpreted. As I've said the Chinese people didn't exist until after the flood, hence it would have been impossible for them all to die in the global flood.
@Jman By 6000 BC Egyptians in the SW corner of Egypt were herding cattle and constructing large buildings. Subsistence in organized and permanent settlements in predynastic Egypt by the middle of the 6th millennium BC centered predominantly on cereal and animal agriculture. Metal objects replaced prior ones of stone. Tanning of animal skins, pottery and weaving are common. There are indications of seasonal occupation of the Al Fayyum in the 6th millennium BC
@gregrutz I have no doubt that these objects exist, but how to we know that The Egyptians were there around 6000 bc? I assume that the objects found determine this date, but how exactly?
@gregrutz Hey greg, I'm over here now. So why does the tree ring date, and C14 date not match up, when the tree ring specialists do these blind tests? Oh yeah, evolution is as far from a FACT as you can get so, keep dreamin!! Now tell me why whale fossils on Mountain tops, that are supposedly Millions of years old, look just like the whales in the oceans today? Didn't Whales evolve too?
@gregrutz Nobody's lying for Jesus, only Atheists are lying..... for Satan!! Science told me, and I read about it in Dr. Walt Browns book on page 342-344. If it's whales on those mountain tops, then there would NOT be whales in the oceans today. And if it's not whales on those mountain tops, then scientists wouldn't know what those fossils are, and would name them "whaleipithicas" and call it a transitional fossil for whales. Everything in the fossil record looks just like what we see today.
@gregrutz Oh I'm sorry greg, I should have been a little more specific, even though you missed 2 thirds of my comment, just like you always do. What's in the fossil record looks just like what we see today, that isn't extinct, or make believe, for the "FairyTale" part of Science.
Now show me a "whaleipithicas" please, and if you want to see a Neanderthal Man, just go look in the mirror....Blyyuuwwaaaaahaaaaaahaaaahahahaaaaa!!!
@ironman197268 DNA proves Neaderthal Man was not us, they were a different kind of human. Explain 2 kinds of humans on the earth at the same time, over 30,000 years ago. I am sure you can find it in the bible.
@gregrutz Greg Proof only exists in math, I think I've told you this about a million times now. I'm sorry I can't explain 2 humans on earth at the same time 30,000 years ago because there's no such thing as 30,000 years ago. Why are you ignoring my other comments?
Xenu's DC-8 galactic cruisers are powered by water, he obviously stopped by the ark to borrow some before he headed off to Hawaii to throw those alien souls into the volcano.....
I wouldn't usually do this, but the music 'What happened to the water' is also the subtitle of a viseo I have just posted. Please don't hit Spam, it is at least relevant!
Just click on my username, and the video is the feature. I hope you like it.
4.4 billion cubic km of water! Where did it go indeed. There is only 1.3 billion cubic km now, and that 4.4 billion would have had to have ben in addition to the 1.3 billion. So not only where did it go, where did it come from?
Yeah, but that's beyond the point. All those methods of flood wouldn't be biblical, would they? They would just be a natural explanation for something the Bible said happened. That's the burden of faith; there CAN'T be a logical explanation for what the Bible says, it must be taken on faith. And I'm pretty sure the Bible even says this. So the people using "science" to try to convince people the Bible is true are actually blasphemers.
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Nothing happened to the water its all still there over 70% coverage of the whole globe.If all the ocean trenches were filled in and the mountains were levelled out there would be enough to cover the whole earth fot a depth of two miles-interesting to note that there are marine fossils found on the tops of high mountains
I don't think you understand the video. The point is, if the entire globe was covered with water, no amount of wind could ever blow it away, like the Bible says, because we now know the earth is a sphere.
As for the marine fossils on mountains: I've explained it a million times. Those mountains were pushed up from underwater over millions of years by convergent tectonic plates. Everest, for instance, is still growing. All parts of the earth have been underwater- but never at the same time.
Well when the Earth was first forming it might have been completely covered by water but that was billions of years ago and I'm just saying that it's a possibility.
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"those mountains were pushed up..." explains where all the water went. The moutains were not as tall and the ocean valleys were not as deep when the water covered the whole Earth.
ANSWER: If you lowered all the mountain areas and lifted all the valley areas equally the earth would be a perfect sphere and the amount of water on the earth right now is more than enough to cover the entire globe exactly as deep as the bible says it was. Figure it out for yourself. Every field of real imperical science proves the Bible is true. As a former athiest and evolutionist it was hard to finally admit that, I scoured through refutations but in the end the evolutionist side = EPIC FAIL
ChristianMark1986 1 week ago
@ChristianMark1986 Except the Bible says the flood covered all the "high places" of the earth, not that it was flat. READ your own fairy tale.
Why did the flood fail to cause incest and inbreeding?
Why does the Bible say that the pairs were "male and female" when many animals don't have 2 genders?
Why didn't everything that died before the Imaginary Flood create one stratified layer below the other ones?
Are you a Poe?
InternetDarkLord 1 week ago
Why are there successive layers of sediments over a mile deep on land and not in the oceans?
It is because the water sank down and formed the deep oceans after the flood.
That is proof there was a global flood that buried everything living on earth like the hundreds of historical accounts all say.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Nonsense, sedimentary rock contains more fossils in crinoids alone than the entire earth's surface, the flood is a fairy tale.
InternetDarkLord 1 week ago
@InternetDarkLord The flood is actual verifiable history and the fossils are evidence of the flood that buried everything living on earth.
JungleJargon 1 week ago
@JungleJargon NO, there is no evidence at all of a flood. The fossils like crinoids preserved in sedimentary layers are so numerous that they would cover more than the earth's surface, if all lived (and died at once in a great flood).
Also, many rock strata are not formed by water: Desert varnish is formed by exposure to the air, some kinds of sandstone by deserts, tillite by glaciers, etc.
Finally, where the hell was all that sediment BEFORE the Imaginary Flood?
InternetDarkLord 1 week ago
@InternetDarkLord You don't know what was there before the flood so there is nothing you can say about the events that followed.
We are the evidence that humans and animals survived the flood.
JungleJargon 1 week ago
@JungleJargon NONSENSE, there is no evidence of any flood, so nothing preceded any.
We are evidence of no flood, have you heard of INBREEDING and INCEST?
Noah's Farce can also be disproven by: chronostratigraphy, dendrochronology, electron spin resonance, fossil indexes, geomagnetism, lichenometry, Milankovitch cycles, rock patination, radiometric dating, Mitochondrial DNA, ice sheet cores, varves, want more?
InternetDarkLord 1 week ago
@InternetDarkLord We live on top of the sediments deposited by the flood. It is not possible for you to disprove actual verifiable historical events such as the flood.
Everything in the sediments deposited by the flood were buried by the flood. Everything built on top of the sediments deposited by the flood existed after the flood which was no more than 5,100 years ago.
JungleJargon 3 days ago
@JungleJargon Nonsense, the flood can be disproven by: chronostratigraphy, coral reef layering, bryozoan stratification, dendrochronology, electron spin resonance, geomagnetic dating, rock patination, ocean sediment core analysis, polar ice sheet cores, Mitochondrial DNA, Milankovitch cycles, radiometric dating, lichenometry, varves, thermoluminescence, varves, obsidian hydration analysis, fossil indexes, Y-chromosome DNA, want more?
InternetDarkLord 2 days ago
Ok, no matter how much (evidence) you Creationists present for a global flood, it will no convince any body because the idea it self is Impossible!!. A global flood wold release so much vapor that you would drowned from breathing the air!!! not to mention the weight of the atmosphere would crush your lungs!!! So building a boat wold be the least of Noah's concerns :D. And on top of that you could write a book about the other 1000+ reasons,evidence,facts against a global flood! SO STFU
tigerclaw1000 3 months ago 6
@tigerclaw1000 You got any evidence of that genius? You do know The Bible says all land dwelling air breathing life outside the Ark was killed right? So your claim of the flood being an impossibility because of the vapor release is actually evidence for it, thanks for your support. Tell me some of those reasons why a flood is impossible in that book your writing.
ironman197268 2 weeks ago
@tigerclaw1000 The fact that we are living today is proof that we survived the flood.
JungleJargon 1 week ago 2
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@JungleJargon "The fact that we are living today is proof that we survived the flood."
You don't know what proof means. or your are plain dumb!
The fact that we are living today is proof that we live today.
tigerclaw1000 1 week ago
Question. Where did the other 30,000 feet of water go?
gregrutz 4 months ago
@gregrutz Hey Greg, maybe this will help you understand.
watch?v=zyGy5C-x1ao&feature=feedrec_grec_index
ironman197268 4 months ago in playlist gregrutz
@ironman197268 I took Geology 101 in college, dildo.
Still waiting for you to show me a trilobite, or a dinosaur because ''What's in the fossil record looks just like what we see today''
No it isn't Creatard, You didn't look.
gregrutz 4 months ago
@gregrutz What? Did you miss my comment below? Of coarse you didn't, that would make you look stupid.
ironman197268 4 months ago
@ironman197268
"watch?v=zyGy5C-x1ao&feature=feedrec_grec_index"
Decent vid...nice choice in music...but what does it have to do with the Noah Myth?
As to the wales..If you are refering to the ones in Chille, they are only 1/2 mile from the coast and that area of land was pushed up by platectonics, thus it WAS under water once. and is hardly a "mountain"
Global flood didn't and couldn't happen
whiteowl1415 3 months ago
ha ha ha! really? Yes, there should be no questions asked. None.
DecentExposureMedia 5 months ago
I believe only "selected" pairs of animals were transported in the Ark and these gives total extinction of the dinosaurs.
Manolonda 7 months ago
@Manolonda WHY?
InternetDarkLord 7 months ago
@Manolonda
You are quite entitled tp believe any nonsense you like.
However, advertising your ignorance is a form of self-chastisement better avoided.
tellnet 7 months ago
Better question: Did the ark hold the 500,000 species of dinosaurs paleontologists calculate existed?
InternetDarkLord 10 months ago
So what is your question exactly?
InternetDarkLord 11 months ago
wow you didnt disprove anything...that was a waste........generation of vipers=P-thats what your acting like.the generation of vipers
lilwinche 11 months ago
I am really sad it didn't happen now - i would get my free pizza :)
cr4yv3n 11 months ago
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limpingcrab 1 year ago
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limpingcrab 1 year ago
I'm not certain whether or not there was a global flood, but the answer to your video is that the bible says the earth was torn apart and changed during the flood. In other words, there were not mountains like we see today before the flood. If the earth was flat, there is enough water to cover the whole thing 8000 ft deep.
limpingcrab 1 year ago
@limpingcrab The Bible does not say that. Chapter 7, verse 19 says the Flood covered all the high spots at the beginning of the flood.
InternetDarkLord 1 year ago
@InternetDarkLord Yes, and the high spots were not as high pre-flood. It also says the earth as it was vanished and was torn apart. Just saying there is enough water on earth to cover everything, it didn't have to appear or disappear if the surface of the earth was different. I'm neutral on this argument though, I just know enough to know that I don't know enough.
limpingcrab 1 year ago
@limpingcrab Please explain how the flood could tear apart the earth. Logic says that pouring rain for 40 days would flatten mountains, instead of adding more height. (And where does the Bible say this, anyway?)
Also, if the flood created geologic strata, then where did it erode from in the first place? Sediment can't deposit unless it also erodes.
InternetDarkLord 1 year ago
Another problem with claiming that the Imaginary Flood created the ocean is that the sea creates our climate, by absorbing energy by day, and releasing it by night. It also generates over half the oxygen in the air. So without the sea, earth would have been lifeless.
On a funny note, Genesis Chapter 1 refers to the ocean existing before the flood anyway.
InternetDarkLord 1 year ago
BTW, the average ocean depth is about 13,000 feet. So if you somehow-don't ask how- raised the sea bottom to current sea level, the ocean still would not reach the valley bottoms around Mount Everest.
You can't do that anyway, because the continents are less dense granite floating on more dense basalt like ice on a pond.
InternetDarkLord 1 year ago
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@InternetDarkLord I'm not certain whether or not there was a global flood, but the answer to your video is that the bible says the earth was torn apart and changed during the flood. In other words, there were not mountains like we see today before the flood. If the earth was flat, there is enough water to cover the whole thing 8000 ft deep.
limpingcrab 1 year ago
Questions:
Why is the oldest clonal aspen stand 80,000 years old?
Why is the maximum recorded rain in 24 hours only 6 feet?
Are you aware some animals don't have two genders, "male and female?"
InternetDarkLord 1 year ago
29,000 feet of water is a lot of water. Next the creatards will try to tell us the mountains were smaller.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz If you don't know it by know that I DO NOT believe that Mt. Everest was there before the flood, you probably never will. If you think Neph and equestions are "dumb" people, you should seriously read the definition of that word again. If you're so smart, go to that video and debate him. Sence he's "dumber" than Neph, it should be a super easy win for you.
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 WHY DEBATE HIM. YOU CAN SHOW FACTS TO A CREATIONIST ALL DAY LONG AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT IT IS YOUR WORLD VIEW. THEY WILL NOT LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
NEPHI STILL THINKS THE EARTH IS THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING. WHEN I PROVED HIM WRONG HE BLOCKED ME, JUST LIKE HE BLOCKS EVERYONE WHO SHOWS HIM HOW STUPID HE IS.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I was talking about equestions, the one who has the video you couldn't watch cause it made you laugh so hard. Where did you PROVE Neph wrong about anything other than in some MATH problems? Cause that is the only place PROOF, PROVE and PROVIN exist. So come on man, go over to that video "Why doesn't anyone question thuderf00t (part 1)" and leave a comment and tell him what you think, show him whos the MAN!!
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 Can't find the video.
Nephi thinks there was a global flood, that was proven wrong by the first geologists who looked, over 200 years ago.
Biology does not use a lot of math. Only people who are trying to prove evolution is not probible use math, like Mr. Butinski.
Evolution is accepted because of all the evidence, it is not a math proof.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Here you go, let um have it!!
watch?v=tDbqhZg9Yrk
ironman197268 1 year ago
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@ironman197268 ''I DO NOT believe that Mt. Everest was there before the flood''
Did it just ''Poof'' jump up there 4400 years ago? How?
gregrutz 1 year ago
what happened to the water? i shall tell you. it literally went underneath China. wheres my source you say? seismologists. i never heard of it? well now you did, its called the beijing anomaly. search it up, its a volume of water under the earths crust with the same volume of water as the arctic ocean. we know that from global warming, if the arctic were to melt, the whole earth would flood. well there you go, the answer is underneath china.
RCACsurvivorman 1 year ago
@RCACsurvivorman How does water get under China? You sound as silly as Walt's Hydroplate theory with water under pressure erupting forth. Water is under China in rocks just like well water. You can't hide 29,000 feet of water under ground.
gregrutz 1 year ago
It's still here, the land that was on top of the water in the Earth sank down to take its place while it was coming out of the Earth. Any questions?
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 Yeah, two.
Where did the water go AFTER the flood was over? (That's the whole point of this video).
Why does the Bible say that God made a wind pass over the earth which caused the waters to recede?
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen The water didn't go anywhere, the land rose up out of the water from the Earth's crust shifting and sinking. Some of it was sucked up in the ice caps frozen in the poles forming the ice age.
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 Please cite your source on that. Chapter and verse, please. Again, why do you make up an explanation when the Bible already gives an explanation in Genesis 8:1?
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen This isn't in The Bible if that's what you're asking, this is Dr. Walt Browns hydroplate theory. The video is just a few inches to the right, check it out. The wind God made pass over the water may have nothing to do with the waters subsiding, It doesn't say the wind made or caused the waters to subside.
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 So you're saying that God created a wind, just for the hell of it, and it did nothing, but was included in the Bible just for the hell of it. Despite the fact that it says, in the exact same sentence, that the waters subsided, there is no causal relationship between the wind and the subsidence of the water. Meanwhile, the ACTUAL explanation is nowhere in the Bible and had to be hypothesized some 3000 years after the story was written.
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen Other than "for the hell of it" Yes!!
ironman197268 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen The Bible has little to do with how, it's an account of why and about a relationship between man and his creator. Don't confuse science and physics, our method for explaining what we observe in the natural, with a clearly supernatural event. It's a waste of time. You think this is a cleaver video, it's really a clear confession of your ignorance on the Bible. Far better men have spent there lives beating on this rock, only to die defeated.You proved you're biblically ignorant.
PhalanxPerception 11 months ago
@PhalanxPerception That's funny, because "creation scientists" would say that you are the one who has made a "clear confession of your ignorance on the Bible" by compartmentalizing the Bible and science, ignoring what scripture has to say about history and the natural world.
If you don't think Noah's flood can be explained scientifically, and you don't think the Bible should be taught as science, this video is not mean for you, no matter how badly you want it to be so you can claim victory.
SeenAndNotSeen 11 months ago
@PP When I criticize non-literalist Christians for their inconsistent views, I get smug repsonses from literalists who brag that I haven't disproven the "real" Christianity. When I then criticize biblical literalism for its obvious falsehood, I get smug responses from non-literalists who tell me I'm "ignorant" for attacking a simplistic theology. Either way, there's always some self-important asshole who feels vindicated when I don't happen to address his pet ideology in that one instance.
SeenAndNotSeen 11 months ago
@SeenAndNotSeen If it makes you feel any better, once science gets established, every religion claims they believed it the whole time. 100 years from now religious fanatics will claim the Bible clearly predicted that a meteor would hit the Mars colony.
They already knew that!
InternetDarkLord 11 months ago
@ironman197268
that makes no sense at all.
rogerpenna 1 year ago
@ironman197268 How did all this ''Earth sank down'' happen and not leave any evidence? You can't just make up more stories to support your stories.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz You should read Walt Browns book "In the Beginning" where it talks about subterranean water chambers, all that water shot up to the surface and the land sank down in it's place. How about all the land under water and those under water islands in the pacific ocean called guyots? You're the one making up stories, your favorite being "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR A GLOBAL FLOOD" There's plenty of evidence.
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 He talks about subterranean water chambers, and ?>> He made it up to match the bible flood story. NO Evidence.
There is evidence the earth is old. Look at all the layer of rock exposed in the Grand Canyon. How did 5000 feet of sediment, some desert sands, get to 8000 feet above see level? And there are layer under that.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz If it matches the Bible flood story then he did not make up anything. Those layers in the Grand Canyon is evidence of a global flood, otherwise there would be erosion marks in between the layers, you know, while the newest layer is waiting millions of years for the next one to form, it most likely got RAINED on a time or two. And please, do not send me any thunderfoot, cdk007, potholer54, or donexodus videos. I've seen them all, and I can't decide which one is the worst.
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 ''Those layers in the Grand Canyon is evidence of a global flood''
Wrong, some of the layers are wind blown sands, we know from the fossils in it. You keep forgetting about those fossils.
There are also distinct layers of different kinds of rock. Floods don't make distinct layers. Floods don't make different kinds of rock.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Why would you say I keep forgetting about those fossils, when we have not even mentioned fossils in this debate? You've got some circular reasoning going on too, basing the age of those layers on the fossils found in them.
"THE WHOLE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN IS A SEA BED. You figure it out." That's funny, I've got it figured out. You are the first person to actually DENY the existence of the Giant oysters and clams that are up there.
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 I DENY what you claim. YES there are clams on the top of mountains, but is is not there because the water was that high. Where did 29,029 feet of water go? I am saying there is a whole sea floor that makes up the mountians. They ocean floor was raised up over millions of years. Mt. Everest is still going up, they can measure it.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hey Greg, what do you think about all those "Micro Marine Fossils" that were found on the MOON back in 1970?
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 Evidence please.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Her you go!!
watch?v=tDbqhZg9Yrk
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 Wow, that was something. I can't believe someone was sticking up for Nephi. I couldn't watch the whole thing I was laughing too hard.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Of coarse you didn't watch it, you where getting ready to be presented with good evidence about micro fossils on the Moon and it scared you. Peer reviewed papers, not Wikipedia that the great and powerful, I know everything in the universe thunderf00t uses. You asked me for evidence and I delivered, and what do you say, I was laughing too to watch the whole thing...
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 Yup, I couldn't believe someone was dumber than Nephi.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Explain something for me, about 27,000 feet above sea level, up near the top of Mt. Everest of coarse, there is hundreds of giant clams and oysters that are petrified in the CLOSED position. How do you think they got up there? And please don't give me that "UPLIFT" talk either because Mt. Everest is 450 miles away from the nearest ocean, you know... where Clams and Oysters belong.
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 No, there are not ''hundreds of giant clams and oysters'' on the top of Mt. Everest.
THE WHOLE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN IS A SEA BED. You figure it out.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@ironman197268 How did the ocean get under the rock in the first place. rock don't float
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Huummm....good question, I'll have to do some research.
ironman197268 1 year ago
The flood is just a fairy tale. Like a dude coming back to life after being dead for three days. lol jazy tune though
thewoodenfrog 1 year ago
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Genesis is fiction:This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as opposed to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
lizazoon 1 year ago
the water is still here, it just receded after the land buckled as trenches and mountains, thanks for the pizza
PattMyle 2 years ago
@PattMyle Unfortunately, the earth does not contain enough water to have done this.
johngeetar 2 years ago
@johngeetar
I think it does, let me try to explain my understanding
Lets assume for a moment that the flood did not consist of still waters, but rather a flow of water. If the water came from underwater chambers located in the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, such as Walter Brown' model suggests, then the waters would most likely be flowing over the land toward a low point that we call the Pacific Ocean. Given the vast amount of water, it could possibly take 150 days to recede, separating the continents.
Jman3000 2 years ago
Nice vid. Thanks for the pizza. Yeah, I had to pay for it, but it didn't cost me very much. Even as a Christian. Tell Brak thanks as well. I'm still laughing.
dyz12003 2 years ago
Maybe jesus turned it into wine. But then what happened to the wine? It's all so confusing!
davidls11 2 years ago
@davidls11 The humans drank all the wine then traveled into space to piss it all away.
johngeetar 2 years ago
I have a question? WTF was that about?
What global flood?
gregrutz 2 years ago
As in the supposed flood described in the Bible.
SeenAndNotSeen 2 years ago
The "global flood" is the most ridiculous piece of garbage ever contrived by ancient desert-dwelling primitives.
It never happened. There is absolutely no evidence for it ever happening. Every field of science, from geology to biology to physics, has shown the idea to be false.
Carry on, humanity!
GhostOfPaley 2 years ago 4
GhostOfPaley, Well said.
But humanity is shamefully stupid when it comes to religion and believing in these ancient false stories. My elementary school teacher told us that this was just an old myth and I never had a second of belief in Noah's Ark. Now 30 years or so later I can find fellow grown-up Americans actually believing in this shit. The biggest joke is felon Kent Hovind version of Noah's Ark seen from a "science" perspective. These people are putting a great shame on America...
ThinkingBetter 2 years ago 4
@GhostOfPaley: Your absolutely right that a global flood never happened, but let's look at the view point of those primitives. In ancient times most people never went more than about 25 miles from their homes. The roads and conveyances we take for granted just didn't exist till at least Roman times for the most basic highways. And being largely agrarian populations, they settled on flood plains for the most fertile land. (continued)
magick205 2 years ago 2
@GhostOfPaley: These areas would've been their entire world. So it's really easy to understand their viewpoint with that knowledge. The problem is when moderns, who really should know better, take old folklore as fact and try to push it on everyone else. Even worse, they do this in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. No, I don't blame the ignorant of the past, I blame the fools of today.
magick205 2 years ago 2
Do you know what happened to the water?
Nothing.
It didn't happen, there has been no evidence ever discovered to support this event.
The Bible is a collection of moral parables writen by scientifically primitive man for primitive man to instill a desired behavor and belief system by the theocratic leadership of the time.
Also the Hindus, Buddest and other theist faiths do not record such an event. Only those rooted in the old testement.
torak101 2 years ago 5
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@torak101 wrong they have found much evidence of the flood.look in the bedrocks.
lilwinche 11 months ago
@torak101 oh and it evaporated and the earth soaked it all up
lilwinche 11 months ago
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To answer the question. The water did not go anywhere. Psalms 104:8 in most translations, says the Mountians rose up and the valleys sank down. In other words, MT Everest was not as high as it is today. Nor were the ocean valleys as deep as they are today But anyways, the Bible also said people would scoff at it in the end. I think you guys need to follow your thoughts home and look deeper into things. I was a skeptic once as yourselves. But than I put aside my pride.
TheJoel2003 2 years ago
Wrong. Genesis 8:1 clearly states that it was a wind that drove the water away:
"And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged"
SeenAndNotSeen 2 years ago
People have been scoffing at it since its inception, not just "in the end". More and more, is science simply proving that it is false.
The reason it says "people will scoff at it in the end" is to keep gullible fools like you to keep from looking at the evidence, because the bible itself tells you not to.
Look deeper into things? What he hell do you mean? Look deeper into the evidence and find... more... evidence?
Hiddeknight0 2 years ago 2
You don't even know what's in the very book that you believe so blindly. If the Earth was to have done what you say it did, even though the Bible doesn't say that, nor does science - it's just a complete fabrication of your own making to excuse yourself for believing in your goat-herding bronze age mythology - if the sea trenches had mysteriously deepened suddenly for no reason, it would cause a massive shift in the tectonic plates, causing huge earthquakes.
Hiddeknight0 2 years ago
Oh, and also! How the heck was My. Everest "not as high as it is today"? Where is any kind of proof for that? Geological formations don't just happen, mountains don't just get bigger, they actually get SMALLER over time as they wear away - the mass doesn't sprout wings and fly up to the top of the mountain to add to it.
And no, the rest of the Earth did not get smaller, it continually gets added to, as you can see with the layers of the Earth.
Hiddeknight0 2 years ago
Indeed, old mountains get smaller over time because of external forces, such as rain, wind, and most effectively, water freezing and melting.
But of course some mountains do grow... The tectonic plates push them upwards.
madskillz1o1 2 years ago
But that does not, would not, ever, happen in the space of a week, as this guy says. If it did did happen in 6 days, the speed of it would probably tear the world apart.
Hiddeknight0 2 years ago
We have been measuring Mt. Everest's height for quite some time now, and as the tectonic plates push together it grows higher at a rate of 2.4 inches per year. It grows from the bottom, not the top, and it does wear away, but despite that it still grows higher. It is currently 29,035 feet tall.
Using this rate of growth , we can calculate the age of Mt. Everest. The answer is 145,000 years. Please note that number is significantly larger than 6,000.
rkyeun 2 years ago
@rkyeun
This would be true if the rate of growth has always been the same. However, I have reason to believe that the majority, possibly all, of the mountains were formed during or slightly after the flood in a relatively short amount of time. The continents were once joined as one dry land mass. The fountains of the deep burst forth in the middle of this land separating the land into the Americas and Europe, Africa, etc. This is achieved with water lubrication under the land. See Browns Model
Jman3000 2 years ago
I have reason to believe you're a gigantic retard, but until I can prove it scientifically I'm not going to assert it as fact.
Anyway, there's no global flood. China would have noticed. They were around before then and none of them needed to build an ark. Their civilization continued uninterrupted, with no reports of water covering the mountaintops. Did God just miss a few nations during the omnicide?
rkyeun 2 years ago
Believe what you want my friend. China does have a legend of a global flood story very similar to the one mentioned in the Bible. In fact, these legends can be found in a lot of different places. These legends don't necessarily prove anything, but they most defiantly shows that some happen on a global scale.
I can not say when the flood happened, only that it did and that a day is coming of greater judgment. Turn to Christ for salvation.
Jman3000 2 years ago
Rather than taking the time to copy and paste your words back to you sarcastically, please imagine I have instead replaced your baseless assertions with facts and concluded, for humor value, with the blind threat that the flying spaghetti monster will send you to hell for incorrectly making an irrational conclusion as to the existence of gods and furthermore one particular god as opposed to any others when there is no evidence for such.
rkyeun 2 years ago
I'm serious when I call you friend. We are both sinners in need of redemption and thus would share common judgment if not for the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ on my soul.
All I can say is that you are warned of the coming destruction and have no excuse for your unbelief.
Jman3000 2 years ago
I'm not a sinner, and I'm not in need of redemption. If I were in need of redemption, I'd atone for it personally at the police station or courthouse rather than through human sacrifice.
Please understand that even if I were convinced Yahweh exists and was omnipotent and had created the universe, I still would not accept an act of human sacrifice as the basis for morality, even under threat of eternal torture.
Your god has more to answer for than his mere non-existence.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@Jman3000 just because some ancient people wrote about a flood does not mean it was a global one. Everywhere experiences floods from time to time. to them water rising 10 to 20 feet would seem like a global flood. specially when they thought the earth was flat. some even wrote about a huge black snake that flew around the galaxy and every so often destroys the earth. does that mean a huge snake is real, or that maybe it was a commit, or solar storm. do you believe the huge snake is real? why not
bobby472 1 year ago
@Jman3000 On one side of the earth the plates are over lapping causing the land to sink into the center of the earth. On the other side, it is thrusting land outwards. Thats why the continents are seperating, but slowly coming together on the other side of the earth. Mountains take thousands of years grow. If they were to just pop up out of know where. Our weather paterns would be severly altered. The earth is over 6 BILLION years old
bobby472 1 year ago
@bobby472 Who's to say that our the earth weather patterns weren't severely altered? Also, how does a very fast underwater process of forming mountains change the weather? I can understand how mountains block wind patterns, is this what you mean? The climate of earth was very different from the flood. Dramatically changing weather fits right in to the Biblical account of the Global flood. It was a dramatic event and the destruction of it can still be seen today in earthquakes, tornadoes ,etc.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@bobby472 The idea of a the global flood being local is contrary to the Bible. Modern people often underestimate the intelligence of ancient people. These people had a good understanding of mathematics and were able to calculate the passing of time by the stars. The only example I can think of people thinking the earth was flat is the whole Christopher Columbus deal. What about the people in the east? Did they think the earth was flat? I think they too have stories of a Global Flood.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000 1) The first person to prove a round earth was Eratosthenes in the 200s BCE, many centuries after the writing of Genesis. Prior to that, people generally did believe in a flat earth.
Moreover, "the whole Christopher Columbus deal" was a myth. The educated people of Europe knew the Earth was round, and their objections to Columbus's route were not that he would fall off the earth, but that he would be killed in the vast unexplored ocean, perhaps by sea monsters.
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen "people generally did believe in a flat earth. " Who exactly?
If you climb to the top of a high mountain the entire earth's surface can not be seen. It seems obvious to me that people would be able to figure out the earth is not flat when they walk on seemingly flat land and suddenly see a mountain that
appears over the horizon. If i'm not mistaken, people use moved around a lot, even over seas, hence Native Americans. Also if the flood was local, shouldnt Noah have seen land?
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000 It's easy to observe the world with modern scientific knowledge and marvel at how obvious it is, but facts such as the earth's curvature would not necessarily have been so obvious to someone who has never heard of the notion, especially since it defies common sense. The earth certainly appears flat, and even if someone had observed a curvature of teh earth from a high up place, they wouldn't have been so easily able to put two and two together and conclude that the earth is spherical.
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@Jman3000 Furthermore, the Bible seems to presuppose a flat earth in some passages. For instance, when Satan tempts Jesus in Matthew 4, he brings him to a tall mountain and shows him "all the kingdoms of the world," which would only be possible on a flat Earth.
Genesis 8:1 says that God sent a wind over the earth to push back the waters and end the great flood. If the earth were presumed a sphere, and it were totally submerged, a wind would solve nothing, which is the whole point of this video!
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen Wasn't Matthew written after Eratosthenes during/after the time of the Roman Empire? At this time there were a lot of advancements ind many different areas. I am sure that people were aware of the earth being round.
Genesis 8:1 (Complete Jewish Bible)
God remembered Noach, every living thing and all the livestock with him in the ark; so God caused a wind to pass over the earth, and the water began to go down.
It doesn't say what the wind exactly did, just stated 2 events
Jman3000 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen Are you familiar with the Walt Brown's theory of how the flood happened?
watch?v=YlAog3GjCYU
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000 Yes, it is amazing the stories people can make up when they don't need an evidence. Hovind is a good story teller too. No evidence.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@Jman3000 As for Noah being able to see land if the flood were local, I never claim that Genesis describes a local flood. While the Genesis flood is probably based on an actual (local) flood, the Genesis story itself describes a worldwide flood. If you haven't caught on by now, I'm not a believer in the Bible or even a Christian for that matter. The point about Noah not seeing land may be useful when arguing with a Christian who believes in a local flood, but not with me.
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@Jman3000
Guess what? REALITY is contrary to The Bible. A global flood is impossible and has no evidence supporting it in any case.
And of course, most of The Bible was plagiarized from earlier mythological stories and religious texts. Noah's flood is a blatant copy of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Syrinx69 1 year ago
@Jman3000 The Chinese have a long history with many floods documnted, but they didn't all die. The Egyptian in 3000 BC didn't die either.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz
Sorry it has taken so long to reply.
I don't understand what you are getting at.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000 There never was a global flood.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz How does Chinese flood history support this conclusion? The Chinese wouldn't have all died, because there weren't any until after the global flood. The same goes with Egyptians and every other nation we have today.
Jman3000 1 year ago
By 6000 BC Egyptians in the SW corner of Egypt were herding cattle and constructing large buildings. Subsistence in organized and permanent settlements in predynastic Egypt by the middle of the 6th millennium BC centered predominantly on cereal and animal agriculture. Metal objects replaced prior ones of stone. Tanning of animal skins, pottery and weaving are common. There are indications of seasonal occupation of the Al Fayyum in the 6th millennium BC.
When was your mythical flood?
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz
There is no date specifically given, the time of the flood is estimation based on genealogies. How do we know that it was 6000 BC when the Egyptians did what you say?
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000 There are people who study history. The Chinese have a long history with many floods and they didn't all die in a global flood.
Dinosaurs ruled the earth of 160 million years, changing over time.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Yes, there are people studying history, but how do i know what they say is true? I'm not suggesting it isn't, I am saying that evidence can be misinterpreted. As I've said the Chinese people didn't exist until after the flood, hence it would have been impossible for them all to die in the global flood.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman By 6000 BC Egyptians in the SW corner of Egypt were herding cattle and constructing large buildings. Subsistence in organized and permanent settlements in predynastic Egypt by the middle of the 6th millennium BC centered predominantly on cereal and animal agriculture. Metal objects replaced prior ones of stone. Tanning of animal skins, pottery and weaving are common. There are indications of seasonal occupation of the Al Fayyum in the 6th millennium BC
They did not all die in a flood.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I have no doubt that these objects exist, but how to we know that The Egyptians were there around 6000 bc? I assume that the objects found determine this date, but how exactly?
Jman3000 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hey greg, I'm over here now. So why does the tree ring date, and C14 date not match up, when the tree ring specialists do these blind tests? Oh yeah, evolution is as far from a FACT as you can get so, keep dreamin!! Now tell me why whale fossils on Mountain tops, that are supposedly Millions of years old, look just like the whales in the oceans today? Didn't Whales evolve too?
ironman197268 4 months ago
@ironman197268 Who told you the dates don't match up? someone lying for Jesus.
The whales got to the top of the mountains the same way the clams did dummy.
The whale are not the same whale, the modern whale evolved from the fossil one.
gregrutz 4 months ago
@gregrutz Nobody's lying for Jesus, only Atheists are lying..... for Satan!! Science told me, and I read about it in Dr. Walt Browns book on page 342-344. If it's whales on those mountain tops, then there would NOT be whales in the oceans today. And if it's not whales on those mountain tops, then scientists wouldn't know what those fossils are, and would name them "whaleipithicas" and call it a transitional fossil for whales. Everything in the fossil record looks just like what we see today.
ironman197268 4 months ago
@ironman197268 Everything in the fossil record looks just like what we see today.
Show me a T-Rex.
Show me a trilobite.
Show me a sabertooth tiger.
Show me mammoth.
Show me a Neanderthal Man.
Just one.
This argument will go on until YOU go look at the fossil record a see that you are wrong.
gregrutz 4 months ago
@gregrutz Oh I'm sorry greg, I should have been a little more specific, even though you missed 2 thirds of my comment, just like you always do. What's in the fossil record looks just like what we see today, that isn't extinct, or make believe, for the "FairyTale" part of Science.
Now show me a "whaleipithicas" please, and if you want to see a Neanderthal Man, just go look in the mirror....Blyyuuwwaaaaahaaaaaahaaaahahahaaaaa!!!
ironman197268 4 months ago
@ironman197268 DNA proves Neaderthal Man was not us, they were a different kind of human. Explain 2 kinds of humans on the earth at the same time, over 30,000 years ago. I am sure you can find it in the bible.
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
@gregrutz Greg Proof only exists in math, I think I've told you this about a million times now. I'm sorry I can't explain 2 humans on earth at the same time 30,000 years ago because there's no such thing as 30,000 years ago. Why are you ignoring my other comments?
ironman197268 2 weeks ago
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@ironman197268 "there's no such thing as 30,000 years ago"
''What's in the fossil record looks just like what we see today''
"because of the vapor release is actually evidence for it[global flood]"
Lol you are saying that because Noah and his family could not breath in that scenario, actually proves that scenario??!!!
LOL Creatard alert!!!!
tigerclaw1000 2 weeks ago 2
@gregrutz Try Google images if you are too lazy to get off you ass and look at the evidence.
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
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@gregrutz Try Google images if you are too lazy to get off you ass and look at the evidence.
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
@ironman197268 The fossil whales on the mountain tops are the ancestors of modern whales.
and they are called;
-Ambulocetus
-Dalanistes
-Rodhocetus
-Takracetus
-Gaviocetus
-Dorudon
-Basilosaurus
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
@gregrutz you missed Dumbersaurus
raponte1955 1 week ago
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@ironman197268 The fossil whales on the mountain tops are the ancestors of modern whales.
and they are called;
-Ambulocetus
-Dalanistes
-Rodhocetus
-Takracetus
-Gaviocetus
-Dorudon
-Basilosaurus
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
North and south poles, of ice. Besides the great flood never happened anyways.
sclf 2 years ago
Xenu's DC-8 galactic cruisers are powered by water, he obviously stopped by the ark to borrow some before he headed off to Hawaii to throw those alien souls into the volcano.....
Raptor302 2 years ago 3
LOL
You win a lifetime supply of internets.
psycausticyo 2 years ago
I wouldn't usually do this, but the music 'What happened to the water' is also the subtitle of a viseo I have just posted. Please don't hit Spam, it is at least relevant!
Just click on my username, and the video is the feature. I hope you like it.
630633 2 years ago
So the evil fish and evil ducks got away without dying? God's plan failed.
benji7 2 years ago
Hahaha, I like the song choice.
GBart 3 years ago 2
That was great. All this effort i waste trying to teach basic math to creationists....
Mumblerd 3 years ago
Lol. Not sure if I ever thought of this simple question.
dbogle1 3 years ago
4.4 billion cubic km of water! Where did it go indeed. There is only 1.3 billion cubic km now, and that 4.4 billion would have had to have ben in addition to the 1.3 billion. So not only where did it go, where did it come from?
630633 2 years ago 2
Man, you're a genius. I love you.
pippodeltrappeto 3 years ago
*Insert desperate bullshit creationist excuses here*
tanzanman 3 years ago 14
The Flood is the most indefensible of all YEC claims.
Meteor? Can't happen that way.
Underground Caverns of water? Nope. Can't happen that way.
Rain? Nope, can't happen that way.
sacrosanct24 3 years ago 7
Yeah, but that's beyond the point. All those methods of flood wouldn't be biblical, would they? They would just be a natural explanation for something the Bible said happened. That's the burden of faith; there CAN'T be a logical explanation for what the Bible says, it must be taken on faith. And I'm pretty sure the Bible even says this. So the people using "science" to try to convince people the Bible is true are actually blasphemers.
I'm an atheist, I'm just using biblical logic.
787Bisurdaddy 3 years ago
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Nothing happened to the water its all still there over 70% coverage of the whole globe.If all the ocean trenches were filled in and the mountains were levelled out there would be enough to cover the whole earth fot a depth of two miles-interesting to note that there are marine fossils found on the tops of high mountains
saladdogger 3 years ago
I don't think you understand the video. The point is, if the entire globe was covered with water, no amount of wind could ever blow it away, like the Bible says, because we now know the earth is a sphere.
As for the marine fossils on mountains: I've explained it a million times. Those mountains were pushed up from underwater over millions of years by convergent tectonic plates. Everest, for instance, is still growing. All parts of the earth have been underwater- but never at the same time.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Well when the Earth was first forming it might have been completely covered by water but that was billions of years ago and I'm just saying that it's a possibility.
Tylonous 3 years ago
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"those mountains were pushed up..." explains where all the water went. The moutains were not as tall and the ocean valleys were not as deep when the water covered the whole Earth.
86mks 2 years ago
Except it doesn't say that in Genesis. It does, however, clearly say that a wind passed over the earth and blew the water away. Genesis 8:1.
SeenAndNotSeen 2 years ago
you can blow water off of a sphere if its the center of gravity
wowplayer6541011 2 years ago
Into outer space?
SeenAndNotSeen 2 years ago
sorry typo cant the wind that originates on a tilted shere is curves there fore letting it fit on