Iron Chef - Battle Foie Gras (5 of 5)

[TheStrayHotdog]

I wish I could taste their dishes

[justinvengeance]

in my opinion, they both won in my opinion, both chefs dishes were excellent looking

[vfaulkon]

Wow, this was a great episode. They both did excellently, and the scores were so tight! It's a shame so many of you are focused on this 'battle of ethics', 'cause I think you missed something almost inspiring about these chefs' creativity and talent.

[cassey05]

im drooling!! T_T

[idler11]

Half the world starving to death.....now this.

[Michael326]

@idler11

This comment has absolutely nothing to do with the video. Shutup.

[Leziii]

@idler11 Go starve with them

[thexev]

@idler11 this show is like ten years old. way to be up to date.

[B34NSPWNS]

its just food.

[amayagab]

If you dont respect what goes into your body and gives you fuel for life you cannot respect yourself and no one should respect you.

[B34NSPWNS]

theres nothing wrong with foie gras, its natural.

[TsurugiOni]

If we all went vegan, billions of pounds of animal foods that provide nutrition would go missing. The bounties of the oceans would be offlimits. Non genetically modified foodcrops in such confined spaces are highly prone to disease, and MASSIVE crop failures without pesticides and proper spacing. Billions of lbs of fertilizers made form natural gases would have to be produced to feed the world safely. Billions of people around the world, all in the name of "morality".

[journeyman47]

Now you're way off. The "bounties" of the oceans are already dying because of us-- and should be made off limits before they're empty.

As for your first sentence, I don't know what you're talking about. "Go missing"?

[TsurugiOni]

Well the oceans are being polluted and overfished, I agree with. But they will never empty. If we don't do something early, our yearly eventually fall to a level which will lead to malnutrition and death in human society. Nature balancing itself. Of course we could correct this if people simply observed truthfully.  But to forcefully make them offlimits would GUARANTEE death, create anger against ur philosophy, and work against you.

[journeyman47]

Dude, it sounds like you need to do more reading about how bad our oceans are already. They are DYING, and we are overfishing the last of many of the life in them. You're right, our catches will soon start to fall, no matter what we do. We need to stop eating so damn many fish is what we need to do, and switch to plants. Sure, fish taste good, but we're killing them off eating them.

No laws will stop that; the oceans themselves will decide it when they are empty.

[TsurugiOni]

I know man, I'm well educated. It's not simply fishing, but the ways which we fish. Like the shrimp fishing bycatch can be up to 90% of the weight of actual fish. As I say don't blanket everything under one evil black umbrella, it is NEVER that simple. And oceans will never empty, they will drop dangerously low, but never empty. Plus if people cannot profit from catching large amounts of fish, they WONT' fish (no profit). They will replenish, but there will be much harm to our world

[journeyman47]

Sure, they may never (and "never" is a very long time) be totally empty, but as we kill off species of fish, they will never (and I mean NEVER) return. Look at what we're doing to the cod, the salmon, the sharks, the whales, the dolphins.... the list goes on. Once gone, they will neve "replenish".

[TsurugiOni]

I'm a fisherman, and I eat what I fish. Without hatcheries to replace the wild salmon/trout where I live, we'd have nothing to catch 3 years from now. Why? Because dumbasses catch them for sport, severely injure fish, snap a Kodak, and release them back into the water hoping they'll live. All in the name of sport.  Yet, who is ultimately hurt in this practice? The guy who fishes for dinner (me). Yet I can't shape peoples minds, they have to come to their own truths.

[journeyman47]

I agree that "sport" fishing is stupid and cruel.

[TsurugiOni]

This may sound cruel, but listen. It's not important if a species goes extinct, it's perfectly natural and is supposed to happen. Blacksmithing went extinct too because it's no longer relevant, it's simply evolution. Yet, these species are critically important to our survival, as well as to maintain the biosphere needed for our survival. Yet, what we don't do, is take care of our brothers who take care of us. This is suicide, and can be corrected with some truthful observation.

[journeyman47]

Sure, species naturally become extinct. Without that there could be no evolution. But humans are causing mass extinction up to 1,000 times faster than "naturally" would occur.

This is in my opinion the worst crime we have and continue to commit against our brother animals and against our descendents, whose planet will be much poorer because of our greed and stupidity.

See my blogsite for more; it's posted on my channel page.

[TsurugiOni]

There is no such thing as "natural", what is happening is natural because it is happening. We are the apex species, and we create a world which is our dream. That is what every species on earth tries to do. You think influenza hasn't created massive chaos / extinction? Intestinal parasites? You think the first oxygen emitting plants on earth didn't wipe out most species before it (to which oxygen was a lethal poison)?

[journeyman47]

Of course there is such a thing as "natural"-- it means anything that happens without human's interference.

There were five great exctinctions on the planet, all due to natural causes (giant meteors, volcanoes, etc.) We are the cause of the 6th great one going on now.

[TsurugiOni]

Humans are part of nature, hence it is natural. EVERYTHING is natural, that's what you don't get. All life is about increasing consciousness. First there are cells, then tissues, then organs, organ systems. Everything any organism does is develop better ways of understanding, and better ways accomplishing what it wants. That's why we have nerves to receieve impulses, highly developed brains to analyze these impulses, and the means to accomplish it's goals.

[journeyman47]

Well, I have to go. You have a lot of energy and ideas. Perhaps you should focus them on other places besides here on a pathetic video of idiots talking about foie gras.

I wish you success with your fishing projects and other future ideas. Keep learning... that's the key.

I hope you learn more about factory farming cruelties and decide for yourself to not support such evils. We could use a guy like you to spread the word!

See ya.

PS Please check out my blogsite some time- it's on my page.

[TsurugiOni]

This whole world is NATURAL, if it wasn't then it wouldn't be allowed to exist. The holocaust is perfectly natural, using guns to kill is natural, aliens are natural. But what we see as not natural is simply a lack of understanding of how something works (mostly ourselves and our true nature). What's going on now is simply a reflection of the human body. We're taking massives of dosages of drugs, and have no liver or kidney to help clean them out. Hence we poison ourselves.

[TsurugiOni]

Humans are simply LIFE combined with intelligence. We are no different than a plant, except we have better tools for accomplishing what we need. And because of our brains we can consciously evolve to a much higher degree than most other animals, and in much more dynamic ways. All this is natural.

[journeyman47]

Partly true, but I wouldn't be so proud of humans if I were you. Read Carl Sagan's book "Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors". You will see how eerily close we are to the apes and other, and in some ways worse. It would take too long to explain; just read the book and you'll see.

Yes, evoluton is natural. Killing off species for "sport" and just because we can is not.

[FrostbittenWolf]

Dead wrong on the first sentance.

[TsurugiOni]

I'm currently working on projects to end unsustainable fishing and the 9-5 work day that leads people to exploit. You can point bad stuff out all day, and it's important to be aware of it, but what are YOU doing? Are you just denying, or have you dreamed the Garden of Eden yet? Have you made the blueprints, laid the foundations, and detailed the layout? If you are TRUTH, people can do nothing but follow.

[journeyman47]

My "Garden of Eden" is an Earth where we show respect and compassion to all living beings. I am "laying the foundation" by not only setting an example myself, but being an activist and trying to educate others to do the same thing.

I like your projects; they sound like part of my Eden.

[TsurugiOni]

But man, once you save a life, you also destroy one. You cannot save an anteloupe without starving the lion. You can't save your garden without destroying the deer. You can love leeches and let them suck your blood, or respect mosquites and let sip on some human juice. But love is ultimately of self, and that is not selfish in any way.  When you people start to love themselves, then the world will correct itself. But you can't try to play God with peoples lives (not sayin you are).

[TsurugiOni]

People will buy name brand clothes because they need the love and attention of another. People will pay 90% of their income and taxes and work 9-5 just because they haven't realized that there could be a world without those qualities. People do drugs because they didn't realize that they could have the greatest natural happiness that surpasses Ecstasy. Life is a reflection of our own individual minds, and fighting the manifestations will usually make people recreate them with more vigor.

[comradechristophe]

drugs made me realize i was lied to my whole life from all angles, government, school, churchs. i found true happiness and freedom because of the drugs. it wasnt the drugs them self but they help me change myself

[crazystarf]

@comradechristophe The problem is, can drugs help you sustain yourself?

If you can, you're well on your way

[TsurugiOni]

You know what I do to help? I get a can of Pepsi, and I stare at it for an hour. Thinking of some new invention using the Pepsi can that is SO useful that nobody will ever throw away a can again. Thats 'what I mean, you gotta be PRO Truth, not Anti- Delusion. You can spend your whole life fighting pollution, and that may be what ur whole life is. But you could also create a system where there is little waste, and you could spend ur whole life living that.

[TsurugiOni]

You see, the main problem is nontruthful observation. Seeing short term profit and ignoring desecration of environment. Destroying that which supports you means that people are turning the cheek towards TRUTH. If we simply always followed TRUTH (in speech , action, etc) the world would be better tomorrow. Sure you get a fancy car now, but the truth is really that you'd trade your soul and life for social approval.

[TsurugiOni]

It is their mind who has to realize these truths. They have fish PLACED in a river/lake for them, they have giant industries making rods, hooks, and baits for them, and then they feel like they had a challenge by catching the fish. I can't force people to see how irrational this is, and trying to force people of this nature to see my way will only make them resist. That I guarantee.

[TsurugiOni]

I know it sounds all mystically, but thats it.  What we need is BALANCE. We can't eat all vegan, nor raw vegan, nor meat. Pigeons turn garbage into raw protein, which becomes food for another animal. Forage fish and balleen whales eat algae that would otherwise destroy marine ecosystems. The Black Plague was simply a response of LIFE correcting an imbalance that an aspect of life created.

But you cannot go to one extreme or the other, you gotta find balance.

[TsurugiOni]

A young kid sees a flower wilt, and cries because it dies. Momma says "dont worry, it's just a flower". Yet when the pet hamster dies the parent comforts the child. Just because the hamster moves, has eyes, shows feelings and behavior. These are the sins of the father that have been passed to you journey. You don't see that this is your world dichotomy. For someone who wants to connect with all life, you miss the message. ALL life is the flower, and all is the hamster.All is life

[journeyman47]

Wrong. I DO connect with and respect all life. But I have to eat something, so choose to eat plants. It's either that or starve. But I can still care for all life, as I do, and cherish every living thing.

I also choose not to kill animals. I think that makes me more into "life" than you, if you eat anything plopped onto your plate.

[TsurugiOni]

This is the nature of every economic system on our planet, every social structure. The energy transfer from one system becomes the energy for the next, and so life magnifies life into the most glorious forms like fractal geometry. There is no death in life, cuz EVERYTHING is life. The brain doesn't give life value, but is simply a tool which allows organisms to CREATE. To know what they feel, and to create what they want to happen. This is the goal of all life.

[TsurugiOni]

Lets say I grow a subsistence garden, but bugs and small herbivores eat my plants. Isn't it wrong to kill them? Nothing in the earth belongs to anybody, it's all everybody's. They're just trying to survive, so is it wrong to kill them for simply listening to their true nature? Surely I should let my family starve to death, because ultimately my consciousness is attached to the Web of LIfe. And I know with my death that the rest of nature will remain in harmony. Huh?

[journeyman47]

You keep bringing up totally irrelevant scenarios and drift off the subject of this video.

Nobody needs to eat foie gras to survive.

[TsurugiOni]

Nobody needs to eat an orange to survive either. Or grains, apples, pears, milk, or any fruit for that matter. But we CAN, because we're human, we have free will, and it's our choice. Everything I said is relevant, since you dogmatize my rationality for allowing "cruelty", while you never answer the question "How do you determine cruelty". And on your profile ur all "Go Vegan To Save the Planet"! / anti "animal cruelty", so really it's all relavent.

[journeyman47]

Exactly, we can choose what we eat. That's why I say we should choose ethically and make humane decisions in what we buy to eat. I choose not to eat my fellow animals, especially ones that have been treated horribly, by not eating foie gras, veal, or any animal products for that matter.

[TsurugiOni]

You gotta realize the sun is alive, just not in the same way as plants. And bacteria are alive like animals. They are different, yet they are all LIFE, although they respresent themselves differently. Yet RESPECTING life doesn't mean that everything lives, because if so we wouldn't have life. No chemical reaction is perfect, no heat transfer is perfect. That tiny bit of light/heat that is wasted is what allows change, movement, dynamic flow, evolution, progress, creation.

[TsurugiOni]

"I choose not to eat my fellow animals". We are brothers only with animals, and the plants are our minions? I know where your coming from dude, trust me. But one far-fetched scenario for you to think about. Some super highly evolved beings in a spaceship comes to earth, and enslaves people for food. They say "I would never hurt my brothers, but humans are okay. They're lesser evolved" Ponder this scenario. Don't you see how you mentally justify the same? Just 1 step away

[journeyman47]

It's ironic that you use the "aliens" scenario, because I was just reading that essay I told you about on VeganOutreach which uses that same scenario as an explanation of their philosophy. You have the right idea, but then you apply it to plants as well. Fair enough, but we can't eat rocks and sand, so unfortunately plants have to die for us. As I said, I respect and love all plants, but you have to eat something.

[TsurugiOni]

But you see, all life is in that situation, and life IS that situation. Ima break it down to ya. Nomads had to chase the weather, cuz fresh produce is only available when in season, and game follow the produce. We had always followed this pattern until grains and beans, which could be dry stored for long periods of time. This allowed us to survive in harsh climates when produce couldn't be procured (no mass transport), and we needed the calories.

[TsurugiOni]

But you see, your paradigm of a vegan world includes mass transport (fossil fuel based) of fresh produce, mass use of pesticides and fertilizers (natural gas) to raise crops in newly/poorly cultivated soil. If you want to switch to organic and sustainable methods, and restructure society in the way, and also deal with the anarchist breakdown that would result from a societal power structure collapse, expect 90% of the world population to die.

[TsurugiOni]

My mom was a S. Korean subsistence farmer, and I"ve lived out where she lived for a while. You pump water from a well, you piss on your soil to give it the much needed nitrogen, you eat corn 2-3x a meal, you pick up every edible plant you find, and eating a 1lb wild bird is 9 person family event. So you gotta understand the true impact of technology (refrigeration, pesticides, transport) in relation to your life, within the structure of any ideal society.

[TsurugiOni]

Guess what tho? Russians / Alaskans who can't get fresh produce have an option. They can eat birds which eat inedible seeds, eat rabbits and elk who eat indigestible brush. And they can live in inhospitable environments (little produce) this way, just as the lions in African Savannah's eat meat because there is only grass (which is why there are so many herbivores). Even saving lives has consequences, the unforseen butterfly effect.

[TsurugiOni]

But you see, when someone makes a law against foie gras production, that ONE person who gets all natural foie gras (wild winter goose liver) is hurt too. That is the same philosophy which has made marijuana/hemp illegal, although it is a potent medicine and one of the best natural fibers in the world. The same philosophy that is currently trying to make it illegal to backyard garden without a liscense (Because non-standardization means potentially not safe). I hope you understand.

[journeyman47]

I'm not sure what you mean, but there are already laws against foie gras production. If it "hurts" someone, sorry, but my sympathies lie with the waterbirds.

LIke I said, we simply don' t need this disgisting product tosurvive, and anyone involved in its cruel production can go find something else to do.

[TsurugiOni]

Do you have a problem with foie gras attained from a wild bird? Before migration their livers are natural fattened much more than during the warmer months. But when the bird lives another creature is hurt, a human. Maybe one with children, a wife, enslaved by a bad social system. Do your sympathies not lie with the person?

[journeyman47]

I still do not believe we need to eat anyhone's liver, no matter where they come from or how they're raised.

Nobody needs to eat animal parts, period. Millions of vegetarians have lived for decades without them and are perfectly healthy. I myself have been a vegan for over 2 years and have never felt better.

My sympathies lie with the opressed and enslaved everywhere, which includes animals on factory farms, in laboratories and circuses, etc.

[TsurugiOni]

I've heard of terminally ill cancer patients who homeopathically have had to eat raw animal parts to treat their cancer (because their body couldn't produce the proper enzymes). Sure, you can stop foie gras production, but what about the 9-5 lifestyle that creates this behavior which makes men exploit their environment just to live? You know in ancient India a king planted fruit mangroves near the roads to feed weary travelers. Couldn't that be our world?

[TsurugiOni]

But you see, it's not your job to fight something. When you fight something, you become a part of it. You believe in it, and the world in which it exists. What you have to do is CREATE.  Dream a new vision for yourself, and make it a reality. Make a Vegan food forest overfeeds you. Be the vision of TRUTH, and then people will be drawn to it. Denying is not the same as Living, because if they cannot live what you deny, then you deny them life. And everybody wants to live.

[TsurugiOni]

YOu dont' think plants have a will to live? You think they don't actively adapt to their environment, respond to changes, and want to have offspring? You don't think plants try to protect their offspring with anti-nutrients, thorns, poisons? A grain of wheat is a baby wheat plant, and yet you kill it with no regard because it doesn't have a brain. Just because it doesn't dynamically interact with the environment you RATIONALIZE it to be somehow not as important as a animal w/ a brain.

[journeyman47]

Man, you really need to get a life. Of course plants are important and have a "will to live", in a way. But they have no central nervous system as we know it, and no brain. Hopefully, they can't feel pain, but they sense trauma and adapt to it.

But we all have to eat something, so better plants than animals, who have emotional needs as well as basic ones.

You have to draw the line somewhere. It's all in the book I told you about.

PS I avoid killing trees & recycle.. Do you?

[TsurugiOni]

I do recycle. I never throw away plastic bottles, I save or recycle every glass bottle I buy, and I compost. I also garden. I've raised animals, I've cherished pets, and I've killed them. I fish, but only for food and never for sport. There is no absolute ethics in nature, only mind. A bear that eats me for dinner is ethical according to his mind, and me eating a medicinal animal/plant is ethical for me. I know you try to respect life, but EVERYTHING is life.

[journeyman47]

It sounds like you have a good attitude towards our planet and the living things on it that we share it with.

So I'm not sure why you keep seeming to defend the production of foie gras, or perhaps you aren't, but are just trying to get an idea of where I'm coming from.

Sorry I haven't been much help in giving you details on my philosophy; there's not enough room here.

I only know that it is wrong to force-feed waterbirds until they're sick and eat their livers.

Nice chatting with you.

[TsurugiOni]

You talk about "rationalizations" on justifying meat eater's lives, what about your life? Is a lion killing a hyena cubs without eating them "cruel"? Everything in life is LIVING, and aims to perpetuate itself. Even the cells that make up your fingers want to live and thrive. Do more highly evolved beings deserve more rights? Tell me great one how YOU deal with this problem? Because all I see is a bunch of hate speaking, and no real answers to guide this poor lost soul. Change that.

[journeyman47]

That's what I'm trying to do, change attitudes by explaining what goes on behind the scenes to produce foie gras.

There is no room here for lengthy philosophical discussions. You must do some reading on your own for that (see my suggestions below).

[TsurugiOni]

Oh no, a dirty cop has been exposed! Shut down the police system!! That's what you're crying. I don't approve of "inhumane" animal treatment, but I highly disapprove of blind heartfelt ignorance. Expose the cruel practices, but don't fearmonger. Let people know about the good places. Once people see the alternative the light side they'll never accept the cruel practices. Don't hate the evil, but shine light onto the good. U know?

[journeyman47]

Geez, the way you rationalize the cruelty is marvelous. There is no "good" way to make foie gras, no humane way of force-feeding a captive bird until he's almost dead from hepatic steatosis.

If you read all my comments here you know where i stand. I don't think I need to say anything else.

[TsurugiOni]

Not all birds that are used for production are on their death beds. And birds naturally store fat in their liver, they're not "diseased". In nature they instinctly fatten them the same way before migration. I guess killing termites is cruelty too, hundreds of thousands of tiny animals just trying to make a home in ur house! Or perhaps using fish as bait, my God they are being used as live bait! I don't take a general stand on the issue. I believe it's all situational.

[journeyman47]

Sure, go ahead, make excuses and rationalize your food choices; I'm sure that will ease your conscience.

Some times you have to take a stand. You seem to be too weak for that, I'm sorry to say.

PS the termite thing was really lame.

[TsurugiOni]

Lol I have made a choice long ago, and I stand by it everyday. Im just curious as to how YOU choose morality. What criteria makes something "moral" to kill? Plants? Bacteria? Insects? Mammals, humans? Aren't all these things living and deserve the right to live? Since you seem to know all of the answers on morality, maybe you can enlighten me as your qualifications on choosing what lives or dies (an answer would be nice). You say my stuff is weak, then give me a reason to change

[journeyman47]

Fair questions. Unfortunately, 500 characters is not enough to explain much. Basically, I won't eat anything with a brain, which implies desires and a will to live.

Read Peter Singer's "Animal Liberation" for a great summary of my ethics and philosophy. It will shed light on many tough ethical questions such as the ones you ask. It was groundbreaking when he wrote it in the '70s, but now many other philosphers agree with him.

Also, "A Theory of Ethics" essay at vegan outreach dot com.

[TsurugiOni]

In the U.S. there's an industry for stone crab claws. They break off one arm of a crab and toss it back into the water to regrow, only so they can harvest again and repeat. This technique is marketed as "sustainable and environmentally friendly" and is a selling point in the product. This practice can be either cruel or sustainable depending on your life philosophy. In the end that's all it is though, rationalization. To each his own.

[journeyman47]

Tsurungi: I never heard about htat, but it sounds like a classic case of yet another form of abuse humans inflict on another species just to make money and feed the greed.

"Environmentally friendly"? Considering stone crabs are part of the environment, it doesn't sound very friendly to me.

[TsurugiOni]

It all depends on your life philosophy. Everything in nature dies, even parasites harm other animals indefinately to live. Is hooking a worm a sin to catch fish? Does an animal's degree of consciousness affect how you can kill it? What about if it's for sport or survival? Does it make a difference then? What about restraining wild animals for health care, even though they resist with all their might. All life is philosophy and rationalization. You have to be dynamic in understanding

[TsurugiOni]

The liver isn't diseased, it's just fattened. Birds store fat in their liver, although the foie gras production does make it much fatter than usual.

[journeyman47]

The liver of a force-fed duck or goose becomes a pale, sickly-yellow color and swells to TEN times its normal size.

This hepatic steatosis ("fatty liver") disease leads to death, and the birds are slaughtered just at the point where they are dying.

If this isn't disease, I don't know what is.

This practice is so cruel it's becoming banned more and more all over the world. Entire countries are outlawing it, even ones that allow factory farming.

Any more rationalizations?

[awilsonator]

seems unfair that all the dishes can't be served as soon as they're ready but I guess only one can go first..

[Cujucuyo]

Oh boo-hoo!

[slimpapaya]

There are free range foie gras now a days.

[journeyman47]

I can't imagine anyone actually thinking that producing and eating foie gras is humane as long as the diseased birds are "free range", which, you should know, only means that they're crammed into a giant shed together, instead of individual cages.

Same with "free range" eggs... it s a grossly misleading term. There's no "range" at all; the chickens are squeezed by the thousands in dark, smelly, manure-ridden sheds.

But hey, "free range" just sounds so wonderful, doesn't it?

[slimpapaya]

I'm a farm vet. I do know what "free range" means. Perhaps you should go out and see them for yourself?

[journeyman47]

If you're a vet then you know how untrue the term "free range" is. Perhaps you'd like to explain what I'm talking about?

And I really would like to go and see for myself what a factory farm is like, but I doubt I could get near one. They know how bad their treatment is and don't want the word getting out.

I have to go; this video of people eating diseased livers of tortured ducks is making me sick.

[Darkzeratulrocky]

haha you must be out of your mind,of course it's food, but it shouldn't be like that, if they want their livers they shouldn't make them suffer, just kill the poor ducks and eat them.

[alienscreatedhumans]

shut up dumbass

[Ramsez]

yeah shut up, if you had ever had some good foie, you wouldn't say such crap.

[journeyman47]

Good point. Too bad everyone here doesn't want to hear the truth about it. They'd rather stay in the dark so they can eat their diseased processed liver without feeling guilty about it.

Too bad we won't shut up.

[danmarcenko]

Who's we?

Your obviously confused about production of Foie Gras. I suggest you stop passing judgement and protest it in the simplest way possible. Don't purchase it.

[journeyman47]

On the contrary, I am very clear in my understanding of foie gras production, having researched it extensively for my website (see my channel).

I have, however, heard lots of distortions, rationalizations and outright lies on this and other sites about it from commentors.

I don't buy it, of course, but a much better way to help stop the cruelty is to educate others about it, which I intend to keep doing. It's up to each of you to decide if you want to continue to support animal abuse.

[TsurugiOni]

I guess you could call obesity a disease too. Im not saying it's not "humane", but it is what it is. I've researched tons but I haven't had any real life experience with production, so I couldn't really attest to its decency. Until I can first hand see the welfare of these animals, I'd rather not veto somebody else's right to do what they want. It's kinda like eating sushi, highly controversial.

[journeyman47]

Sigh! Yet more rationalizations.

How nice to be so naive, to think that there is any "controversy" over foie gras production.

You say until you see it in person you won't come to a conclusion.... do you also need to attend a dogfight before you disagree with them, or a bullfight before you see how bloody and senseless it is?

There is ample, documented and videod evidence of cruelty; I for one don't need to see the actual abuse to despise it.

There is no "controversy": it's cruel, period.

[TsurugiOni]

Yah sure, there's documentation of cruel foie gras production. But what about legitimate? You can't just umbrella everything under one category, I'm sure there are humane production methods as well as cruel. I don't condemn them all just because of the few, I've heard many reports and videos of very humane farms. I'd rather not picket something just based on a couple videos. It's just like hating fur farming cuz of the few horrible videos on youtube.

[HPBbOii]

but it taste good

[IHATEPLAID]

hey... its food... we need food...

[journeyman47]

Sure we need food. We have plenty of it, too, without torturing small animals just to eat their diseased livers.

Your excuse is no excuse.

[CrashGames2108]

Unfortunately what you say just isn't back up by facts. The ducks are perfectly content.

[TheDrunkenCelt]

Aww sweet, Emeril Live is on next!

[hnksnw]

I hate the fucking Kishi, she always gives the iron chef a high point.

[tambor74]

foie gras is bad for animals.

[cuisinier1nicolas]

hahaha...i cook w/truffles and foie gras everyday...u should move to france

[LovelyYTRocks]

Truffles!?

Shit!

He should be glad he didn't have to pay for that.

[forza599]

wow most intense announcement of the winners ever great episode...

[Nothwithstanding]

i thought that suzuki should have won but it is up otht eh judges

[chimera333]

Well the new iron chef used several rather daring/creative techniques and methods to best express the flavor profile of the foie. While Suzuki simply used proven flavor marriages. I'm sure that in terms of taste, Suzuki's would probably be better executed, given that foie is a french staple in the kitchen. So it really boils down to technical execution versus daring conceptualism. For me, I think the judges made the right decision.

[empak]

I'm confused. How can you make a sound judgement without actually having tasted the dishes? :P

[Nothwithstanding]

You can tell by what the judges say

[Nothwithstanding]

hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xeryph]

The original Iron Chef is the only one that matters to me. I really disliked the American one.

[hkitty383]

right on the point!

[type2mike]

Great Battle!! I observed that he was a wreck since the second Kaga-san announced the theme ingredient but he kept it together and proved why he deserves the Iron Chef title!! The relief on his face was proof enough! Good for Nakamura-san!!!

[dana4999]

i think it would be such a shame if nakamura loses in his debut match. a bit fixed, but i dont care really. thanks for the iron chef uploads! mwah :*

[archo89]

Well, Kobe lost his debut match, so it's not really all fixed as it seems

[dana4999]

really? that's good to know. thanks for that info and thanks for all of the uploads. there aren't any iron chef america uploads here to compare. but definitely, the orig iron chef is better! ;)

[monday123456]

thanks for hte uploads mate

[bardsinister]

I understand awarding points for originality, but why use an ingredient as expensive as foie gras, when you cannot tell what it is in the dish?