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  • Drum set... drum set....FUCKING DRUM SET!!!!

  • Well, if you say brass work harder than than the drumline, you aren't thinking enough. The percussion instruments weigh a ton. If you have ever worn one and marched with one, you would know. Brass may be more lung-strong, but the drumline is more focused on mid-body strength. Saying one is harder than the other is ignorant.

  • Dear wanna be jocks,

    this is a real sport...

  • put your drumset on... *facepalm*

  • I'd like to see the Contra's stats

  • Marching band vs. DCI.... I'm in a marching band. We're the best in Canada. (Calgary Stampede Showband) we go and dominate almoat all American marching bands we compete against.. Our technical level, and rehearsal intensity challenges that of the top 12 corps. Marching band is not simply easier. It can EASILY be as challenging, and intense. It just depends on the band...

  • @MrZr1nut Sorry, I don't think you guys look that great.

  • @MrZr1nut thats a shame for Canada. I watched your 2011 show. Bad-untogether sounds from your brass, awfully dirty drumline(2 tenors and 2 or 3 snares, DCI lines are generally 3-5 tenors and 6-9 snares and are sickly clean) and untogether pit and unclean spacing throughout your drill. You can play loud, thats about it. cool story. Top 12 corps would easily destroy you. check out schools like LD Bell. Im not biased because i dont go there, THAT is a good marching band :)

  • His heart rate was over 200 BPS all the time sounds like DCI to me.

  • it's not a drum kit... they are called tenors... dumb ass

  • @Thegoodmusicianguy How the hell would he know that?

  • @empreme he could have atleast asked the guy... this is going on tv you know

  • @Thegoodmusicianguy Well, then he's probably just a "lazy-ass" instead of a dumbass. :D

  • they need to strap those things onto a contra player

  • Imagine if they didn't do it with a cavalier. They can make some cool lookin drill with some small steps. Put that shit on a cadet yo.

  • It's like looking at Darth Vader marching tenor-drums

  • I wonder what would happen if they put that on a contra player, but somehow had him play at the same time

  • Fucking 105 every day here in texas it's soo fucking hard to march and burn at the same time

  • At my school the band and football switched so band went through football camp and the football players did band camp. The band easily did it while the football players didn't survive. Viva Marching band!

  • My school gives athletic credits for marching band. It was hard earned though. I cannot explain how ignorant a person is when they say marching band is easy or not athletic . our band's season and practices are longer than any other sport and we have received more awards. "Marching band is easy" my ass. I dont see any other sport doing 7 hour 90 degree practices. Reppin' Lawrence Central , Indianapolis .

  • @frenchvanilacoolwhip Marching band is easy :3

  • no it's because he's being monitored so he's immediately gonna start working harder. it's a physcological effect.

  • @Agemrepus have you marched before? there is only room in your head for one thing: performing. why would you work harder because you're being monitored like that? he's in a drum corps, he most likely knows that self-improvement should happen no matter what. you only get so many reps so every rep has to improve anyway.

  • @193614 Yes, I marched for 4 years and traveled out of the country to march as well. I'm not saying he's lazy when he's not being monitored. I'm just adding some sociological background to this video. He is under the Hawthorne effect - "a form of reactivity whereby subjects improve or modify an aspect of their behavior being experimentally measured simply in response to the fact that they are being studied" I'm sure he works hard all the time, but harder when observed.

  • @Agemrepus An excellent observation. One could also argue that under the stress of a final performance and knowing that this is his last show; he would also give 110%.Therefore, the data received is more relevent to a final performance or a performance that has greater significance where know he is being monitored by judges which would increase his stress response in comparison to a regular practice.

  • @Agemrepus The Hawthorne effect would affect his psychological response to the stress of the situation which THEN would affect his HR etc, but it does not directly affect his physiological response as no one can directly control their autonomic nervous system that regulates HR, etc...

    I know I'm having a hard time explaining my opinion, but I hope you understand.

  • @goders22 don't worry about it. my guess is that you're in high school and you've never taken a sociology class before. There's no need to debate my point.

  • sub-zero drummers

  • Can we please put more of DCI on tv? So few people know about this activity, and it's sad almost, seeing how much effort these kids put in. I didn't even know what drum corps was until my boyfriend started marching.

  • Duh...there all kids they should be this active and putting out this kind of physical exertion. Heck, I worked just as hard at thier age when I was in drum corps back 40 yrs ago. Nice to see that durm corps still gives these young kids a platform to compete on.

  • Ya!!! WOOO GO @SamSeeAStar

  • this isnt band, its drum corps! Im in drum corps, im in the only active high school drum corps in the nation, defending it is the first thing ill do.

  • Imagine if they could monitor how much air a brass player uses during a show. I want to see those numbers and see how that compares to other athletes.

  • @JacobFCO I was thinking the same thing!

  • @JacobFCO It would probably be lower due to the fact that you actually breathe in less amounts of time than a normal athlete would for phrasing and such. While you might be stressing your lungs a little more you would actually be consuming less oxygen.

  • @DrumDrum83 Haha, 'normal athlete'.

  • Lol... "Let's go ahead and put your 'drum set' on..."

  • This guy isn't even wearing a full uniform! The results should be even higher.

  • In the nation

  • Ok so we will never end this fight. Yes? But to the people who think that marching band is easy, you're wrong. Why not join a 5A band? Maybe top 10? Then come and say that we don't work...

  • @Drumfan486 Honestly then don't have to join a DCI band they could also Experience this through Competition Bands in High Schools. The Problem with most of these people is that they think of the Stereotype Marching Band that is these weak little scrawny High School Students that only perform at the Friday Night Football games.

  • @Drumfan486 Been there, done that. Marching band is simple after you do something with high intensity...like drum corps. People in bands don't have to rehearse 13 hours every day for three months. They also don't sleep on gym floors, shower in some shitty school showers, have only gush & go's, and drink awful hose water. Top 12 corps drill alone would make most kids cry. I've heard of serious injuries in corps...not anything beyond heat exhaustion in band. Marching band = easy.

  • @euphmmx thank you. band is nothing compared to organized sports. done both and it isnt even close

  • @NMlax25 he wasn't agreeing with you. he said drum corps was hard, which is band.

  • @briannaslone ok. DCI isnt easy but it doesnt compare to sports

  • @NMlax25 Okay, 2 ways I could interpret this. gathering that you HAVE been in DCI, you should know how serious people take this. Therefore, you should know you're starting shit . BUT if you HAVEN'T been in DCI, There's no reason for you to be here trash talking something you know nothing about.

  • @briannaslone well geeze

  • @NMlax25 yes it does you daft fool, you didnt even watch the video did you?

  • @Sirblader11 ok a fat guys heart rate goes up when he gets off the couch, heart rate cant tell how difficult something i, its just a measure of how much effort is going into something. listen im on a D1 drumline and have gone to dci camps. there not easy but compared to the lax team i was on or even skiing. band is not an easy thing to do but having done both band isnt a "sport" its an activity that takes more talent than athleticism

  • @NMlax25 oh please i know that your full of it mate, a fat guys heartrate doesnt rise to an athletic level, secondly i doubt u were on the drum line otherwise you wouldnt say that, and third i played football for a awile until i joined the marching team, and i found marching to be much harder.

  • @Sirblader11 boise state drumline, 3rd snare. listen i said that band is hard. in no way is it easy but in my 7+ years on a drumline i have never run out of breath, had to ice up after a practice or absolutly needed water before a passout. all these things occured during lacrosse practice/a solid day of skiing. just because im on a drumline doesnt mean i cant say this, why else would i be watching the video. judging by your words your bristih. football or soccer as we call it. is a joke sport.

  • @NMlax25 Going to a dci camp, is very different than going through a full season. and about your comment above this one, just like you wouldnt compare college football to NFL dont compare college drumline to DCI. thats all i have to say

  • @euphmmx Think about when you were in high school doing marching band, at the time i'm sure you thought it was difficult.

  • @briannaslone Nope. I marched drum corps in high school. Didn't think band was hard before, and definitely not after, I marched.

  • My school finally got a brain my sophmore year and started giving out Athletic letters, though you have to wait till your junior year.

  • w/ drums dog, not w/ the band haha. i think maybe w/ percussion not so much the band considered a sport

  • @AsianLaxBro I'm in pit in marching band and it's physically exhausting. Even just standing there, you will still do work, stuff can go wrong, and you will have to get a spare synthesyser or piano, those things are heavy, even if you can bench 180, so good day, I say good day!

  • @mickeyfan5534 i said percussion, including pit. i was in it last year, moved to tenors. it was pretty exhausting in pit.

  • Drum kit? Fail

  • @dEMuKi0 LOL

  • schools should give athletics credit for band. hardcore.

    no joke.

  • @193614 My school does that.

  • @cshackelford1 that's awesome, a lot of schools in our area don't do that. :/

  • I love how the graph vallys out at the ballad and skyrockets right during the closer.

  • If DCI became a proffesional sport the retirement age would be higher than in the NFL

  • jordan thomas = swag

  • being from both sides i can say band doesnt hang with sport. being in a college line at a DIV 1 school isnt easy but it doesnt compare to the high school lacrosse team i was on or skiing. im not hating on bad, know how hard it is but, compared to physical sports, theres no comparing

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  • Ok drum corps have running, warming up, mental and physical activities, and running formations perfectly or the director will get mad.

    Football has running, stretching, mental and physical activities, and running plays perfectly or the coach will get mad.

    Football is a sport and drum corps do same things so is also a sport.

  • Just want to put it out there that yes marching band and drum corps are pretty much the same thing, but at the same time in most schools, if not every one, Marching Band does not equal Drum Corps.

  • Not only am I an ultra runner, marathon runner and muli-day multi stage runner and sponsored athlete I was also a 3 year drum corps veteran. I played baritone on the hornline and I can attest that marching in a DCI corps is definitly a SPORT and a tough one at that!

  • I agree with @splooiehuh that your body would fall apart quickly, but man, I would LOVE to be in a professional marching band. I'm a Music Education major and as much as I do love teaching kids music, I love marching band more. This marks my tenth year marching for a band, and although I never was in a Corps, I always wanted to be, it was always financial for me, not that I wasn't good enough.

  • Hey, well it's nice to be recognized at least, huh? :)

  • Also I played baseball for 5 years, football for 2 years, basketball for 1 year, and ran track for 1 year and yet marching band has been the most physically demanding thing I've ever done.

  • Okay boys and girls.

    If you've never experienced marching band then you have no right to talk.

    We don't go around saying any sports you do aren't sports just because they might look easy. Plus why would you spend your time, sitting on your but at a computer, watching videos of things you don't like, just to argue that it's not a sport.

  • @TenorDrumTony Marching band? No, Its not a sport. I had NEVER been winded while in marching band like i was in football. Marching band is a mental activity, and so is drum corps. Yeah drum corps is hard work and physically taxing, but it still shouldn't be considered a sport.

  • @splooiehuh I see your name has splooie in it have you marched in a drum corps? because if you had, you wouldn't be saying that at all. Now, comparing drum corps and marching band on a breathing level, that's kinda dumb. DCI is of a WAY higher level than marching band. The things corps do is way more demanding. Overall I don't think marching should be compared to football because that's like comparing bowling with football... You just can't do it... I think marching is a sport. end of discussion

  • @cavalierfan2008 i see your name is "Cavalierfan2008".. Its funny, seeing as how that was my new guy year at the Cavaliers. Now, seeing as how i have 3 (soon to be 4) years of drum corps experience,i know what i'm talking about. As for you? i don't believe so. Yes, drum corps is harder than marching band. Much harder. But it still won't be considered a sport no matter how much you complain. If you still want to discuss this message me. Im not arguing on youtube.

  • @splooiehuh Well, even if I message you it would still be an argument over youtube so oops, I am not sure if claiming if I don't know what i'm talking about is a wise thing to say. I have done baseball and done a little football and marching was WAY harder. I see marching as a sport and an art. I have eyes and I can see how hard dci marchers work. I am ashamed that a cavies vet. has said these things... you can comment back if you want I wont read it, good luck to you

  • @cavalierfan2008 and i have been on both athletic spectrums as well. football and drum corps. Now i find it a little bando to be disappointed in my because i don't see eye to eye with him. Drum corps is hard yeah, but once you've been in the activity long enough you'll soon realize its a mental activity. Take that with a grain of salt my friend. Good day to you.

  • @cavalierfan2008 AMEN! Especially for Contras lol

  • Damn, athletes or not some of those boys are f-i-n-e. Go band geeks!

  • Why do people fight about this? I mean seriously i see the same things by each side. From the "it is a sport side" you see the we work hard and spend so much time mentally and physically. Then may i point out that sure i don't doubt you work hard I am about to go into trombone for Marcus High School. Then on the other side you hear things like" it's based on opinion" which i may agree with also, many sports have no opinion based play it's all set in stone. Both sides can say what they want.

  • This is in no way a sport. Grow up nerds

  • @AgentHuggy Marching band involves competitions, getting your heart rate up, sweating, being out in the sun, stretching, running for warm-up, and breathing hard. Call me mistaken, but I think it is a sport. And "grow up nerds" was uncalled for. I'm pretty sure most of these people are much more mature than you are. This is coming from a 15 year old. And yes, I am in band just in case your were wondering why I know all this. BAM.

  • @AgentHuggy Thank you I take that as a compliment, it goes to show how epic we are because we have a sport and you jocks won't except the fact that we have something as entertaining as football or baseball. I am happy we hit a soft spot on you!

  • ESPN should redo this with SportsScience, and hook up everyone else, especially low brass (like some have said). flags, bass drums, etc...

  • DCI needs to be on TV again.

  • Marching is not easy by any means, but it however is not a sport. It is a well organized competition of coordination, focus, and musical abilities even acrobatic abilities in some places, but it is just that... a competition.

  • @bsmith347 What you just described IS basically a sport + music.

  • @bsmith347 Youve just defined the word "sport" with music in it.

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  • Marching is in no way easy from what i have heard and seen, however it is in no way a sport either. It is a well organized competition of coordination and musical abilities.

  • @bsmith347 A well organized competition of coordination..... like a sport, right?

    Come on man. Trying thinking just a little bit before you post.

  • Marching is in no way easy from what i have heard and seen, however it is in no way a sport either. It is a well organized competition of cordination and musical abilities.

  • I think everyone who thinks marching band/dci/etc isn't a sport, or isn't hard needs to watch this.

  • I love how they tested a guy with one of the heavy instruments in the band

  • @shysadly9 Seriously, they need to test a euphonium or tuba player. They have equally if not harder jobs as percussionists. Marching euphoniums can weight up to 25-30 pounds, and you have to hold that out in front of your body at head height with no support for 10-15 minutes all while using huge amounts of air to actually play the horn.

  • @iFreeThinker Something goes over the quad players mouth...

  • @euphmmx , by that logic, high school football and basketball shouldn't be counted as sports either, seeing as someone from the NFL or NBA respectively would probably find going back to the hs level to be extremely easy.

  • And people are still arguing if DCI is a sport....

  • "Sport: Noun: An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others."

    Spending hours in the sun, doing pt, marching, playing an instrument ( or spinning) at the highest level would be physical exertion and skill. And everyday there is a show, it's a competition.

    Just to clear that up.

  • I still don't think this is a sport. This guy's definition of a sport is something that increases your heart rate. If that's the case then me carrying a heavy table from a car to my house is a sport. Oh and just because the drum is heavy doesn't make it a sport either. Yes, it's a workout but again, then I can call carrying the previously mentioned table around the block and call it a sport.

  • @FlavoredTelephone its still different, you dont have to carry the table for hours in the the sun with perfect technique... its something thats hard to understand until you actually do it. trust me.

  • @FlavoredTelephone ...except there's NO SKILL involved in carrying a heavy table from a car to your house... unless you're house is at the end of a tightrope. Oh, and I don't think you'd get too many spectators to pay to watch you do that...

  • @BonesBass1 So with that said what is your definition of a sport?

  • @FlavoredTelephone I don't think that DCI is a sport... I don't think that anything left up to a judge's discretion can be considered a sport because ultimately, the score is left up to someone's interpretation of the performance... Figure Skating, not a sport. Gymnastics, not a sport. Diving, not a sport.

    I just think your logic is flawed by comparing something that OBVIOUSLY requires an immense amount of skill and conditioning to moving furniture.

  • @BonesBass1 It was only a comparison I came up with off the top of my head - obviously it's not exactly the same. My point was just that almost anything can raise your heart rate. But yes, many things take skill (and raise heart rate) but are not sports. Singing or acting for example takes a lot of training to become good and I'm sure performing in from of a huge audience sends your heart rate flying; but it's not a sport.

  • @BonesBass1 Then you do not know what a sport is. And as for a judges interpretation of something, that is not how it works. It is based off of how clean the drill is and how clean the music is. It's very black and white. There isn't very much Personal views in it. It's about doing something correctly and getting scored off of that. Figure skating is a sport, gymnastics is a sport, diving is a sport.

  • @zepfan2012 I participated in this "sport" for 4 years, and have seen my share of favoritism of DCI trying to "help out" corps about to fold, (and having folded anyway, regardless of DCI's "help") and dumping on a corps or line due to personality conflicts between the judge and directors/instructors. If you think that every judge is scrupulous, then you, my friend, are an idealistic person who thinks there's a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow.

  • @zepfan2012 I participated in this "sport" for 4 years, and have seen my share of favoritism of DCI trying to "help out" corps about to fold, (and having folded anyway, regardless of DCI's "help") and dumping on a corps or line due to personality conflicts between the judge and directors/instructors. If you think that every judge is scrupulous, then you, my friend, are an idealistic person who thinks there's a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow.

  • @zepfan2012 You're entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. Until the human element is removed from determining how well/poorly a performer scores, there can be no "black and white."

  • @zepfan2012 You're entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. Until the human element is removed from determining how well/poorly a performer scores, there can be no "black and white."

    Sorry for the multiple posts.

  • @FlavoredTelephone ...and if your heart rate is getting up to 200 bpm by moving furniture around, then you need to see a cardiologist! ;-)

  • 6 people watch NASCAR...

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  • "They get incredibly high heart rates during the performance and it actually doesn't vary a lot."

    "Your heart rate was up over 200 BPM."

  • WHY IS DIS NOT ON ESPN??? D:

  • This is the kind of thing all non-marching people need to see. I remember in high school a kid asked me "what's so hard about marching band? it's just like...walking around". FALSE.

  • I marched for 6 years and I gave up trying to figure out which section is harder. In all actuality, the are all hard on the same level, just in almost completely different capacities.  All of the sections deserve to be represented, I think they just chose the tenor drummer because he can wear this measuring equipment the easiest with his instrument.

  • @DaMMx95 Consider however, that 1. While drummers hold their drums with their core muscles and play with their hands/arms, hornline members hold their horns with merely some of their rotator cuff muscles and play with face muscles naturally much less strong than arms. and 2. While the drummers breath freely the horn players only get to breath in short bursts before they start to exhale again. I would argue that both are equally as hard and athletic in different ways.

  • @unusuallynormal231 totally agree... morons at my high school deny the fact that marching band IS in fact a sport. Plus they take out the fact of band camp. i just want yell in their face...AND WHAT SPORT DO YOU PLAY THAT FORCES YOU TO TAKE 3 WEEKS OUT OF YOUR HOT SUMMER TO WORK INTENSIVLEY IN 100 DEGREE WEATHER FOR 12 HOURS A DAY...

  • @sfhsmello29 How much does your band practice? About 8 hours of practice a day, Monday through Friday? That's like 15 days the entire summer. Try doing something really hard (like drum corps), and then go back to marching band. You'll find out quickly that you were just being biased and ignorant.

    And this is a DCI athlete. He's working his ass off in stuff marching band doesn't compare to. Don't use this video to attempt to show marching band is a sport, because it's not.

  • these people work just as hard as most athletes. the problem is, its BAND. its MAKING MUSIC. to other people, that cancels out the fact that its a sport, because these people are "band geeks" or "band fags". get over it people. we're not in high school anymore. These people deserve just as much respect as the athletes on ESPN.

  • and people say marching isnt a sport.

    I say to them: Screw you! its a sport. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!

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  • yes peole will know think marching is hard!!!!!1

  • fuck football, it should be called "the marching field" not the football field...

  • dci deserves to be made a major sport in which the athletes get paid and can actually make a living doing what they love to do

  • @jsk8drummer I can agree with that...but think about the difference of college sports and pro sports...which one is more fun to watch...the pros dont want it as much as collegiate athletes and DCI is the best of the best of those who want it...

  • @jsk8drummer No. You couldn't make a living doing this. Your body will fall apart before you reach 35.

  • @splooiehuh hahahahaha, hey just like most other sports.

  • @jsk8drummer

    Awwwww mannn, that would be the DREAM

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  • @avenged7xguitar because by the time NFL season starts, all the athletes in drum corps are either back home, back at school, or preparing for the next season. it would just be a hassle to get everyone back together for just 1 or 2 football games

  • @MrCharliebush Ah, right... My band geek self doesn't know when football season is, bahahah.

  • @avenged7xguitar Better yet, why isn't the NFL playing intermission (INT) for a DCI event?

  • @kaseyWtrumpet Hahah, right. I was thinking after I sent that that I wouldn't even want to perform in front of the football fans. Most of them probably wouldn't have the respect to sit down and listen to the show. At least that's how it is at my high school... lol.

  • @MrHeavenell I realized that that was there just after I posted that comment... Thanks!!

    :)

  • show this to my school haha

  • I was wondering which drumline it is... It's all male so it's either Madison Scouts or Cavaliers. So I looked. Cavies. :D Love them.

  • 6 people are sax players 0.0

  • Speaking of "sympathetic part of the nervous system" raising his heart rate, I remember the bit with the Star tenor drummer and how his heart rate was matching the music's tempo in the later part of the show. Made me wonder if it was subconsciously tying together with the music.

  • The Indiana State University did this experiment waaaayyyyy back in '93 with a tenor player from Star of Indiana. A new spin on it but still pretty cool.

  • of course they used the Cavaliers because their drumline is so badass

  • @360Alexrules08 yeah.2005.Bret Kuhns last year as percussion head.

  • I just realized that he said "drum set." :41

  • @nagawinniePR56 lol yeahh

  • important note... marching band and drum corps are not the same things...

  • I'm showing this to all the people I know who think that marching band is easy because they think we just walk around on a field. This proves that they're wrong

  • @friedsushi34 Im going that too :)

  • @friedsushi34 Marching band IS easy. Marching band IS NOT a sport. Literally anyone could do marching band if they tried. Those people you are talking about are not wrong.

    This is a Cavalier we're talking about. He's playing music and marching drill that is beyond what most, if not all, marching bands can do.

  • @euphmmx Marching band is not easy. March tenors or bottom bass and tell me it's easy. And of course it's not a sport it's music.

  • @llPurpleHazell It is easy and don't you try to tell me different. If you were a proficient tenor or bottom bass and had years of drum corps under your belt, you'd agree.

    The only exception I can think of is Avon. They have some pretty hard shows for marching band. On the other hand, most BOA "marching" bands are like Tarpon Springs: Broadway on a football field.

  • @euphmmx Wow DCI is harder than a high school marching band? NO fucking duh. 50 bucks says you can't find a bass 5 that will say it's easy without lying. Just because you march flute doesn't mean that everyone else isn't working there ass off.

  • @llPurpleHazell Ok..there's a thing called civility in the world. With your kind of attitude, you'll be hard-pressed to find ANY corps that will take you. It's also funny that you think I play flute. I've played trombone for seven years and marched euph in a world class drum corps, so I don't need a bando like you calling me out for stuff you probably don't know shit about. You're a pussy since you keep bitching about how heavy your instrument is. You picked it. Get off your fucking high horse

  • @llPurpleHazell you owe me $50 bud

  • @euphmmx isnt NFL beyond what most high school football players can do?

    DCI>Marching band

    NFL>High School football

    both are similar, the only difference is scale and intensity of each increases

    just like any kid can join marching band, any kid can join football. even the stupid fat ones have their place in football >: /

    just sayin.

  • @crazitaco Um...what? How is that relevant to anything I posted?

  • Every athlete should be required to watch this video. We aren't just band nerds who blow horns and bang drums.

  • my assistant band director was marching Contra in this video =D

  • I hate how he called them a "Drum Kit"

  • @0SukMunky0 that showed that he really didn't march and wasn't one band geek sticking up for another though, he'd never marched before and saw how hard they were working and was impressed.

  • Yup, pretty awesome DRUMSET there guyz. I thought they were called tenors but I guess it's just a drum set. Go kill urself

  • @shildrine dude. relax.  it's youtube.