'Franco and the Nationalists' g The Spanish Civil War

[WilhelmEbert]

@Jaabyourface btw Marx hated Jews

[WilhelmEbert]

@Jaabyourface Actually 'Red Spain' was a myth spread by foreign papers. The republic was made up of left and right socialists anarchists and yes... communists. But one can be sure that any of these would have been more liberal and created more equality than Franco's junta.

[ttboy2004]

Viva Espana!!!! Viva Franco!!!!

[Jaabyourface]

Long Live the counter-revolution! better dead than red! working class my ass, a bunch of state bewuarocrats who sit on their assess, drink wine, and plan out the enitre country's economy and force the workers to do exactly exactly as they say or else is NOT a classelss society, it is the same old ancinet bullshit, except the landowners are the state instead of private individuals, fuck jewish marixism. long live Europe and its people.

[pjboom]

Muerte a franco pudrete en el infierno.

[303random]

Franco was Gay and her boyfriend called Ben Mizzian

[hadock2004]

He was not as bad as you pretend. Look at us know, we are nearly 4 or more nations.

[thegreatfearblog]

Great video. Please read "The Last Crusade Warren H Carroll, for a more thorough expose of the real causes of the Civil War in Spain. Particularly if you have the disfortune of knowing leftists and other idiots who still to this day insist that Franco started the war because "he disagreed with the rightfully elected govnerment".

[drrapid]

Violence on the Republican side diminished after its government was able to impose law and order. The Nationalists encouraged the use of violence to eliminate political opponents. Due to his repressive régime he managed to give Spain peace. Some prosperity was only achieved after he stopped following the policy of autarky when Spain was no longer diplomatically isolated due to the USA's interests in the country during the 1950s. Real prosperity only came with the establishment of a democracy.

[Genjuanpa]

I´ts very funny to see americans call "labour unions" or "workers" the communists that had been killing and bombing all Spain previous to the war they themselves provoked expecting to win it. Why don´t you call "workers" and labour unions the URSS, Cuba or north corea?.

It is exactly the same with the difference that here not Franco, but the majority of spanish people fought and won communism.

Franco was far away of being any fascist, he was an honest catholic and very respected military man.

[BBMSergey]

Franco and Satan spending time in fun now.

[acp1778]

hhahahha I laugh because the elite have made us all believe that paper has value. The madness!! What will they make us believe next?????

[rukavibes]

This comentaries are a shame and ofense!

[1492921]

franco assesino de masas genocida. españa libertaria no olvida, miles de españoles claman aun desde lo hondo de las fosas comunes

[spurrell90]

He also send thousands of Republicans to Nazi concentration camps and was still signing death warrants on his death bed. Peace and prosperity?

[CosmosLoyal]

Conservatives are truly the scum of the earth. They've been on the back foot for the last few hundred years but they keep coming back. Nevertheless the people will win this long dialectic against conservatives and their proxies.

[Rico8458]

Il Duce was another joke. his troops dont know how to fight a war.

[kviapunx]

The capitalist allies had the communists (their representatives in that conflict)stab the anarchists in the back,even though they were fighting the same enemy. They didnt want the people of Spain to successfully manage themselves without gov.&capitalism as they were afraid the idea would spread and threaten their own power&wealth, they rather it fell to fascists and keep the myth of our need for the state and capital alive.Ukraine also had successful anarchists, but fell to Bolshevik doublecross

[kviapunx]

The abolish-en of money did not work well by the way, however, those that went with a more Bakunin/syndicalist method were extremely successful, raising the standard of living(during wartime!)and conducting industry with more efficiency,making the workplace safer,creating healthcare plans and schools,once the $ went to the workers instead of the bosses pocket and the workplace was democratized things got better fast.

[kviapunx]

During the Spanish rev/civil war the anarchists were quite diverse in their organization preferences, and those that didnt use money at all were considered to be "more" communist then the ones that still used money or production hour cards as a means of remuneration,pure communist theory is a society that communaly owns everything,money is not needed nor is the state,even state communists said that eventually the state would "dissolve"-of coarse that never happens-thats why I'm an anarchist.

[ryko26]

yawn

[kviapunx]

So while the anarchists were considered communist or socialist, it was in a direct,participatory,democrati­c capacity-instead of a statist system-they were opposed to authoritarian communism-"freedom without socialism is privilege&injustice.Socialism without freedom is slavery&brutality"-Bakunin.The 1rst international split over this difference-unfortunately all people remember of communism was the authoritarians,few know the difference of anarchism.

[kviapunx]

Actually the communists fucked the anarchists over in Spain, same in the Ukraine,Russia,China,and Korea (and maybe more I dont know about) when you remove the authoritarian aspect of communism, and stick with the essential economic theory,the workers owning the means of production(rather than the state or party)than it is basically the same as socialism when you remove the state from it.Back in the day they were practically interchangeable words.Anarchism is libertarian rather than authritarian

[kissfan7]

That is the name of this documentary? I've seen clips of it before on YouTube, but I still haven't found the title.

[kissfan7]

Nevermind. I've found it.

[workergirls]

Long Live The Great Communism !!!

Death to the fascism, capitalism and racism !!!

[ssszar]

workergirls- please show us on communist country in any time in histor where the people have had greater freedom and more liberty than in a fascist or capitalist country

[ImperialGuard9001]

Here comes the moron partymen...

[ArthurHilty]

I pray to God that we have a chance to have a Civil War again in Europe. Here in Britain we will take the socialists, zionists and homosexuals and bury them deep.

[75amoeba]

Communists are cunts. Fascists are cunts. Spanish are cunts. Everyone is a cunt. Cunts.

[mpkpkm]

Fuck fascists and fuck communists!!! Anarchists ONLY!!!! And Polish AK and George Orwell who knows about the past....Read his (Orwell) letter(to the newspaper) from VIII 44 about Warsaw Uprising-HE was great!!!! He KNOWS all!!!!

[soakchips]

maybe you should clarify what you mean because most "anarchists" in history have considered themselves to be communists

[spanish111japan]

So , Americans dont helped us at civil war and they comment it!!?? . Americans , go for your own civil war

[DJonrustnv]

Oh my god. What a stupid opinion:"stop listening to the jewish led media". Arseholes like that started the second world war. And commited awfull crimes against humanity. Slaughtering jews, homo's, gipsy's, slavians and handicapt people. Only Stalin murdered more. Only dumb dimwits believe the jews rule the world. And stupid nasi's. Franco was evil, just like Hitler and Stalin.

[DJonrustnv]

The spanish comunists started to fight the anarchists by order of Stalin. So the communists were the reason the republic fell. To bad I realy liked the CNT and FAI. Comunism is Fascism.

[hungryasshit]

Stalin didn't even want the revolution in Spain anyway. Half of the communist dominance and collapse of Republican ideal is the fault of the tacit approval of the Nationalists by Western 'democracies' who paved the way for communist dominance of the Republic.

[mulbrogue]

100%correct. well done

[Dt0x75]

dude?.... what the FUCK are you talking about? Stop listening to the Jewish led media.

[Revuhlooshun]

What exactly do you disagree with in that answer?

The Allied nations not only gave no aid to the then liberal, capitalist Spanish Republic under Azana, but cut off any support at all, forcing the sieged government to turn to the Soviet Union for supplies, forcing a heavy reliance on them.

Had the West actually supported the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government (because the West is so concerned about democracy supposedly), the Communists would have had little influence at all.

[GrievousCommander]

Kick commie ass Franco!!!

[taktiker89]

He save Spane from the communism.

[hungryasshit]

Not to mention from liberty and human rights as well.

[ssszar]

like the rights for communists to kill clergy?

[hungryasshit]

didn't kill ENOUGH. That's the problem.

[ssszar]

enough communists and anarchist? i agree

[hungryasshit]

Not to exclude people who apparently can't read as well.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

What does that mean Kill enough?

[hungryasshit]

It means what it means; too many nutjob priests running around the country for too long.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

As oppose to the communist running about too long.

[hungryasshit]

Eh, sorry, but 16th century~1975 compared to late 19th century~present? I don't think they balance out.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

Your right in the 19th century communist managed to murder off 100,000,000 people.

[hungryasshit]

1. There is a decisive difference between the deliberate murders and atrocities of failed and vicious policies.

2. The conversation is about within Spain, retard, and Bolsheviks weren't only people Franco killed off, either.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

Franco fucked up Gueradia Civil through my uncle in Jail. Don't pretend to lecture me about Franco.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

Extermiantion is not a failed policy. It worked very well in nations it has been practiced

[hungryasshit]

1. As if millions of people died under Mao or Stalin were gassed or shot like Hitler or Franco did. There are distinct differences.

2. Killed of my gran during the war and killed her son in jail, too. Not to mention making the rest of the family running off to the States to keep their asses intact. Don't talk as if you are the only person who got screwed by Franco.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

Ya their is a very distinct difference, people want to give Communism another chance.

[hungryasshit]

Better off than Hitler's church going pup and his descendant spin-offs another chance.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

Then lets take the communist off the net while we are at it.

Since we are on the subject. How about Muslims, Monarchist and Socialist.

Who decideds what is dangerous thought and what isn't?

[hungryasshit]

Exactly. No one does. That's why you don't go off shooting them or arrest them and labor them to death just because they are different or you don't like their way of thinking.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

But that is what your advocating.

My uncle got thrown in jail for putting up fliers in support of farmers.

[hungryasshit]

My granny was a militant for CNT-FAI who got killed while fighting in Barcelona in 36, and her son was a teacher who had excessive honesty for his society.

[CandelarioGaIvan]

hungryasshit

She knew the rules as did my uncle. You dance you gotta play.

[hungryasshit]

Yea well somebody gotta break them to spice things up, don't they?

[NickB1967]

Hitler's church going pup? The same man who stayed out of the war, and kept Hitler at a distance? Franco was a conservative reactionary, not a fascist true believer.

[hungryasshit]

You are true on that segment. However, the Movimento Nacional regime's extreme concentration of power on Franco himself and the synchronization of the state power and the individual dictator is a clear reflection of Mussolini and Hitlerite influence.

[NickB1967]

Sorry, no. Franco purged the Communists, and put a lid on Basque or Catalan separatism, but he most certainly *did not* try to undo the Church, other property owners, or other bases of power in Spain. He wanted an anti-Communist and conservative order, but he did not try to remake Spanish society. This sets him apart from Hitler. There was no "New Order" in Spain.

If Jose Calvo Sotelo had not been murdered by the communists, Franco might not have ever been known to history.

[hungryasshit]

While it is true that the conservative elements of the Franquist society was left untouched, it was merely because they suited Franco's taste on social model and helped his firmer grip on the power. Ultra-Catholic traditionalist Carlists, for example were betrayed in their own ways by denial of Prince Jaime into the line of succession to Spanish throne. Also, the fact that the appointment of Spanish bishops were done under authority of Franco himself, not Vatican, and Spanish Church's conflict

[hungryasshit]

with Vatican after the Second Vatican Council clearly shows that the church and other pre-existing social establishments were, ultimately, under the personal control of Franco, which is clearly a reflection of Fascistic elements within Movimento Nacional.

I am curious if Franco still would have risen to power if either Sanjurjo or Antonio de Rivera survived. As much as the man had devious intellect in gaining power, you can't deny that he had huge amount of luck as well.

[mulbrogue]

hey pal, the fuck killed more people after the war than he did during it. don't give me that crap

[21156590]

That didn't count at all.

[FIPITYFLIP]

Thank Franco for liberate us from being a moral and economic ruin as all comunist countries have become.

Los que vais de rojillos piraros a escuchar música en vuestro ipod o a comer al macdonalds. O a fumar porros y hacer el vago que es a lo que os soleis dedicar.

[aguichris]

@FIPITYFLIP hola eres de espana???

[HongKongKanto]

@FIPITYFLIP and now youre a ruin of the european union

[lopeibnmusa]

Lack of objectivism about the war retaliations. There were, but not as quoted here.

[djxaco]

Franco was the spanish Hitler, he save us from the democracy and the peace, nowadays the war still present between people.

VIVA LA REPUBLICA!!

[luisikolandia]

Por que insultas?? Tu mismo te acabas de desacreditar, que tengas suerte en la vida, y te recomiendo que des argumentos, no descalifiques. Saludos.

[hungryasshit]

to bomb their own country into rubbles have much to be a bitch about.

[jimmtpicornell]

aMERICA BOMBER HIROSHIMA SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FUCK YOU!

[hungryasshit]

Yes, I see that Republican government did in fact ship large proportion of gold reserve to purchase Soviet military assistance which Stalin used to penetrate Republican military and create internal conflicts within Republican faction. However, in terms of devastation, it seems trivial compared to the massive human lives destroyed by the carnage of Nationalists and Franco regime. In terms of bringing foreign involvement into the civil conflict, I don't think those who brought Nazis and Fascists

[passaratto]

Franco saved Spain from the communism!

He gave us peace and prosperity, you haters!

ARRIBA ESPAÑA!!

[chosanzapan]

¿Paz? No todos tuvieron paz, lo digo por los familiares de los miles de fusilados (Aunque, claro, seguro que todos merecían la muerte)

¿Prosperidad? Pues sí, España era la repera de própera. Que se lo digan a mis padres, que desde los 11 años trabajaban en turnos de 12 horas (Claro que como no eran hijos de capitostes franquistas...) Salimos del franquismo estando en la cola de Europa, con un atraso económico de 40 años

¡¡¡IDIOTA IGNORANTE!!!

[TheTollundWoman]

@passaratto

Franco didn't "save spain from communism", in fact he made Spain far more vulnerable to a communist revolution than it ever would've been in a democracy. fascism and communism are two sides of the same filthy coin

[adiosucks123]

@TheTollundWoman Your speaking of Socialism, communism is an anarchist/democractic ideal.

[TheTollundWoman]

@adiosucks123

communism as intended by its founders is indeed democratic. i was referring to the "communism" of the soviet union.

[ImperialGuard9001]

@TheTollundWoman Franco wasnt Fascist

[TheTollundWoman]

@passaratto

spain didn't prsoper under franco, thousands died in a famine and thousands more were left homeless as refugees. how could starting a civil war possibly bring peace?? and as for prosperity, it only came about after franco died, when spain returned to a healthy democracy. capitalism can't function properly under a dictatorship, real capitalism exists only in real democracies

[TheExRepublican]

@TheTollundWoman If by capitalism you mean "free markets", then capitalism cannot exist where there is a state, ESPECIALLY not in democratic ones. Capitalism uses the framework of the state as a tool of oppression to transfer wealth from one group to another. The vote is a tool used for lobbying for privileges and regulation which serve to eliminate competition and therefore choice. In reality, "capitalism" is conflated with the concept of "free markets" but they are not the same.

[thegreatfearblog]

@passaratto ARRIBA ESPAÑA!! Indeed! Please read "The Last Crusade Warren H Carroll, for a more thorough expose of the real causes of the Civil War in Spain. Particularly if you have the disfortune of knowing leftists and other idiots who still to this day insist that Franco started the war because "he disagreed with the rightfully elected govnerment".

[CommieThreat]

@passaratto Oye carajo, Franco era fascista--es mejor vivir abajo de fascimo con estabilidad? Prefierio conflict (en vez de paz) y ruina economica (en vez de propsperidad) que fascismo.. carajo de mierda facha cabron

[hungryasshit]

It's been more than a week since I demanded for exact information regarding that Republicans shipping off gold to USSR. Please do not make up random claims that you cannot prove.

[dkrustyklown]

Yes, the Republican government sent Spain's gold reserves to the Soviet Union in order to secure war materials.

This is a verifiable fact that can be checked by doing some simple internet research or visiting a library.

If you cannot find this information on your own, then you are a dimwitted fool.

[hungryasshit]

And where did you get that information regarding Republicans shipping off gold reserves to USSR from? Gimme the exact source of that information.

[hungryasshit]

In the year of 1939 alone, about 193,000 people were executed under Franco's regime. In the year of 1941, there were more than 230,000 people in prison as political prisoners. When Italian foreign minister and Mussolini's son-in-law Count Ciano paid visit to Spain in July 1939, he states that "Average 250~300 people in Madrid, 150 people in Barcelona, and 80 people in Seville are shot to death on daily basis." Republicans slaughtered human lives in this scale? I don't think so, my friend.

[4head11]

The Republicans were no angels themselves. They were just as bad. Both sides were pretty evil.

[hungryasshit]

So Republicans butchered their own people in hundreds of thousands? I'm well aware that not all of Republican actions are quite clean, but to the extent that makes them equal to Franco and his Nazi & Fascist friends? I don't think so.

[luisikolandia]

Si no se hubiera rebelado el ejercito de franco contra el desastre de gobierno que fue elegido en 1936 hoy dia España no existira como lo conoceis actualmente. Solo hay que fijarse en el problema que tenemos ahora con solo 30 años de democracia con los vascos y catalanes y como estos han aumentado su poder por culpa de el sistema electoral que tenemos y por culpa de presidentes socialistas como Zapatero. Imaginense que hubiesen mantenido el poder desde 1936, que desastre. Viva España!!

[hungryasshit]

secondly the World War II, and his subsequent fascist dictatorship over all parts of society.AND also let's not forget the massive American financial support all over Western Europe post World War II which was fundamental to their recovery. Most of all, what is the merit of economic growth when the very fundamental citizens of the society are getting dragged off by secret service and gets shot in the head for most trivial demand for their basic rights as free human beings?

[serverfix]

Dragged off the street and shot?

The 'Republicans' are more famous for that, my friend. As for the economy, the 'Republicans' took the entire gold reserve and shipped it off to the USSR. Small wonder it took so long for the economy to recover.

[hungryasshit]

Spanish miracle?? Don't give me that bullshit. Franco didn't make the economic boom happen. His younger, fresh, post-Civil War generation of policy makers who opened up the economy that was closed in typical fascist fashion before the late days of Franco's regime. Only credit that should be given to Franco about economic boom is that he was at least smart enough to acknowledge that he screwed up the national economy which was in complete disaster by first the Civil War,

[hungryasshit]

And Franco's Nationalists were violently anti-human and anti-liberty.

[jazz4jean]

Republican Spain vas violently anti-christian so I wont shed a tear for the republics death

[serverfix]

Viva Franco!

Muerte a los rojo y anarquista todos!

[4296742]

fuck you fascist

[hardmachine01]

die fucking nazis.

antifaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[heero171]

Spani had always been inpoverished,it was rule by the the king,the clergy and the landowners. then the communists nad socialists,who didn't really change anything,then Finally..the brutal and somewhat ridiculous reign of Franco's facist government. Spain never really had a chioce it was either extreme left, or extreme right wing rule. i'm so happy to know that Spain is in better condition now,especially the Basque region

[daljinac2]

Viva Franco Viva Espanna !!!! Stop the communists !!! Falanga from Serbia

[alfonso22espana]

vivia españa

vivia franco

vosotros mo conoceís españa, vosotros que os importa españa, meteos en vuestros asuntos.

[heyzog]

Actually Spain had been poor and backwards for quite some time. The Franco regime,though unfortunate brought stability to the country. Now Spain is a modern, constitutional monarchy like Britian, fully integrated with Europe and gaining prosperity.

[DaveSmithjr]

Viva Falange and Viva Franco!

[Khomradeigor]

The amount of apologism for Franco in the years of the Cold War is astonishing. Suddenly he was a hero according to Nixon because he was anti-communist (funny coming from the same right wingers who denounce facism as a left wing ideoulogie.) The fact that Hitler tested his strenght on Spanish soil before invading Poland is often neglected.

[sebreathnach]

Never forgotten by the Left. But through the Catholic Church (JP11, Thatcher and Reagan and again through Benedict XVI, Blair and Bush), the Fascists have inherited the earth -- and that includes WW11. They never did it: it is buried under the religious rubric of what is dead is not to be remembered. Religion hates history and believers also hate history!

[tHeWasTeDYouTh]

Franco was a hero, he saved Spain frm the reds

[reset22312]

He made Spain a backwards country much like Eastern Euorpean communist states.

[dkrustyklown]

I suppose you never heard of the "Spanish miracle" of the 1960's in which Franco's Spain experienced the fastest economic growth in history up to that point.

[kirkd17]

!es la pura verdad!

[wildbillcleveland]

¡Batard!

[pdx97212]

Thanks for sharing