chuck todd saying advocate money was out pacing the one million a day spent by the insurance and drug companies is pure nonsense. obama had already taken the public option off the table before allowing elizabeth fowler, an executive for wellpoint for 15 years to write the goddamn insurance bill. where was all the mainstream reporting on this todd??? i think jeremy scahill exposed this guy as your typical career over substance guy.
Chuck Todd YOU have created this drama and all corporate media that falls for Fox news lies (so much for our liberal media) are part of the problem. Thank god the senators and members of the house are listening to their constituents instead of watching cable tv. We have been asking for a public option and 19 out of 20 polls prove that Americans want a public option.
Obama and the Democrats are making a big mistake. Perhaps they do not remember when the Clintons tried to take over healthcare in 1993 and the Republicans took over Congress in 1994. According to Quinnipiac University poll, by a 72-21 margin voters do not believe Obama will keep his promise to reform healthcare without adding to the deficit. By 57-37 margin, voters think healthcare reform should be scrapped if it will add to the deficit.
"rationed healthcare"? not really... with the reform of several programs it will help reduce cost. Unemployment just went down according to the department of labor and statistics and were currently out of a recession.
Yes dummy, I am smarter than he is, but most anybody with a functioning brain is also , but that leaves you out with all the other lying liberal brain dead dumb asses.
and typical of liberals, they prove their hypocrisy by deleting my comments!
I read responses that say everyone deserves healthcare and this is a national issue.
With both of these I have to ask where in the Constitution does it provide that this is a national gov't power? It should be left to the states. If you think welfare clause, then you do not understand the Constitution.
I understand sympathy for your fellow man, but don't force me by the point of a gun to hand over money. Let me keep my money to give to charities as my free will desires or for my own healthcare.
Am not going to talk to you into a thing, I realize, but if half of you people who talk about private charities being the balm for all wounds would actually donate to them, maybe they'd be sufficient. As it stands, greater action is required.
Oh my... that statement that if half of us gave to charity, perhaps it would be sufficient misses the point on so many levels. As stated earlier, charity is the only method of free will... i.e. freedom. Instead, it is demanded that we have a forced charity every April 15th.... i.e. not freedom. When did freedom become so unpopular in favor of gov't good. i.e. progressivism i.e. socialism.
Live Free or Die, men! Earn your destiny or go to Canada!
It is the impoverished in our country that lack in freedom, straitjacketed by ill-funded government programs that give only enough room for barest survival and punish those who attempt to work their way upward.
Freedom isn't just for you, nor is it just for the middle class.
We have tried that, and it turns out most people are too greedy to give of their time or money. With this type of diseased mentality infecting western society, it is time that somebody stood up and did what is right by prying the money from your clenched hands.
OK OK, I am being facetious... but even so, people are suffering, and expecting people to do something about that suffering on their own free will is naive. Something has to be done, and a few eggs have to break to do it.
Hmmm, in your opinion, to coerce others to do as you want... even if against their will, is ok if it is the RIGHT thing for them.
So your worldview is when you get the power to coerce others (because people who think like you are in power) it is ok... break a few eggs as you say.
I don't pretend to know how to run your life better than you. And I would prefer you leave the right to do the same for myself and everyone else for that matter.
Who comes first... the individual or the collective?
Raising taxres is not socialism though, that is written into the constitution. That the government can raise taxes as they see fit for the general welfare of the American People.
Please understand what general welfare means before using it as an argument
The fastest course to understanding it is to read Federalist paper #41.
The gov't has the power to raise taxes but only on those things that they are empowered. Those powers are listed in the Constitution (and healthcare is not mentioned) therefore, it falls to the states to take up items not mentioned (9th and 10th amendment). If general welfare meant the gov't to do ANYTHING, there would be no need to enumerate powers.
General welfare means the general well being. If you think people dying with various diseases and being refused treatment doesn't constitute as someone's well being, then you are lost.
So you think we should cover everyone "dying with various diseases?" Based on what? There is no legal clause (if you would please read what I provided) You can't just say I feel sorry for a group and arbitrarily take money from one group and give it to them. Hell, why not just pay 100% of your income to the gov't and let them take care of everyone based on your logic.
Does the Const provide the rights of gov't or their limitations? Please answer
DO you seriously think that because someone can't afford health care means that they shouldn't get it? If you do, you're not only disgusting, but I hope you get incredibly ill and not have the insurance to cover you.
I want you to see how it feels. You think that people don't deserve health care because they cannot afford it and that is despicable. I hope that one day the shoe is on the other foot and your views will definitely change.
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this bill has no health care reform in it, only health care controle,every thing they tell you this bill will do is a LIE. this will deteriate our health care industry to the level of england or canada . all you need to do to understand how bad this is to ask your congressman to sign on to it for themselfs THEY WON't, never in a million years would they subject themselfs to this POS plan ask yourself WHY then ask them WHY read page 16 that will tell you all you need to know. stand up be heard.
have you NO because they dont want it to be available to the public until the last second. that is exactly the problem they pass 1200 page bills and none of the members of congress has read it either. I have read the parts that have been made available and is nothing but a piece of bureaucratic piece of SIHT that is contrary to every thing OBOMA has promised the american people. but what else do you expect from a lying communist fuck like him? deciption, lies, bamboozle, double speek=DNC
BTW do you know how to tell when your telling the truth? liberals call you a dick head and tell you to STFU rather than offer a real argument. RIGHT? I think you forgot the "Im telling mom!!!!" part. you libreral PUSSY
Listen You crapdaddy911 test tube baby mother fucker. How can you read something thats not available to you fuck boy? And uh BTW Im not a liberal.
PUSSY! I can see it now you don't know shit from shinola. You just like the faggots at the Fox new channel all talk no facts. You know why members of congress haven't read a 1200 page bill because they have staff that does it for them shit for brains. See you are a Dick Head you conservative cum guzzler.
I must be closer to the truth than i thought your on excitable ANGRY liberal pussy. hope you have some ductape to hold your head togather after it exploads.
I'm till waiting for Obama to address the problem of Social Security. We were told 30 years ago that SS was teetering on bankruptcy and it still is. Without a lockbox, both Republicans and Democrats continue using the income to fund their pork-laden pet projects.
Facts? All I see here is my challenge being ignored, a little "no it isn't", and an ad hominem attack. I thought I might have a logical civil conversation. But evidently not. Since you can't talk like big kids, the debate must end now, unresolved.
"Here in England our education is far superior to that of the USA. Our Health Care is also better because it is a right for everyone & the doctors & nurses in return receive more benefits as well as higher salaries compared to those of the United States." Please bring this to the US too. People who care about American families will support this healthcare reform.
We have waited for more than 60 years for health care to be reformed. Doing nothing is no longer an option. Please take the time and read the bill for yourselves instead of falling for the lies and scare tactics that are spreading like wild fire. I have posted a link to the bill in the comment section of my profile for those of you who are interested in the truth. Thank you.
Real simple solution to the problem ... cap hospital cost to where the majority of Americans can afford it and get companies to drop the health insurance on their employees.
Do you realize how many more job there would be if companies and business owners didn't have to foot the bill for health insurance, workmans comp, etc. for their employees.
I think people are missing the point that insurance IS socialism. Everyone pays in a certain amount and gets back according to need. That is the definition of socialism. Plus billions of dollars in profit for corporations of course.
So why not have the government do it without profit. Just cut the insurance companies out of the equation all together? It's socialism no matter who is doing it. The only difference is the cost.
Insurance isn't socialism .... it a business until you start forcing people to buy it under a law ... that's socialism.
The cost isn't going to go down ... I talked to a gentlemen a while back that was from Ireland and they have this same health care system there and according to him the cost doesn't go down since there is nothing in place to stop the hospitals from taking advantage of the system and the taxpayers pay through the nose for it (whether you use it or not).
As for cost savings .... I'm saving plenty right now.
I haven't been to a hospital or doctor in over 15 years and I workout everyday, eat healthy, and I'm in perfect health ... and it's not costing me anything.
My father hasn't been to a doctor or hospital in over 40 years and he's doing just fine. My Grandfather hasn't been to a hospital in over 67 years and he's 91 now and doing just fine.
Not paying for someones problems and hospital bills ... now that's a cost savings.
Do you not see how selfish you are? Just because you and your family are doing fine, does not mean that there is nothing wrong with the system. People get sick everyday. Accidents happen everyday. Hell... I might have to go to the hospital now because I am nauseous after reading your comment.
That is the difference between us; I can see further than my own nose.
Problem is, the passage of Obama's bill will make medical insurance MANDATORY for ALL people. The government dictating what I will do about my health care is not funny.
Me having to pay higher health care costs to cover your emergency medical care because you don't have insurance would be even less funny.
I don't mind helping to pay for your preventative care. That's cheap. But I don't feel like paying for a major procedure you need because you didn't get proper care.
YOU need insurance. Because we DON'T need to choose between letting you die and paying for you.
This is nothing but a scam cooked up by the insurance companies and the health care industry.
I don't want health insurance or to be fined if I don't.
You shouldn't need health insurance to be able to go to the hospital and be treated. Before all these company and government programs, you use to be able to go to the doctor and the prices were reasonable. Now, the hospital are double and triple billing with no set price for procedures ... it's a freaking joke and so is health care reform.
This health insurance crap is what is destroying American business and the jobs they create.
If companies and the government would stop paying people's health insurance for them this problem would go away. It would break the health insurance companies backs and hospitals would be forced to low their prices to a reasonable rate where most people could afford it or the hospitals would go broke. It's time to give the health care industry a reality check instead of giving them more money!
In this economy .... we've all had the cut back or give up somethings to make a living .... why should the health care industry be immune from this (they want more ... and our govenemt seems hellbent on forcing us to give it to them).
Great, another person I have to pay for in higher medical costs because you won't get insurance. This solution is so it is CHEAPER, for people like me, to pay for people like YOU. Since letting you die isn't really an option.
unpaid emergency care is destroying health care. It is unsustainable.
There are kids dying in Africa who would love to have the preventative care that is going to be offered to you. So don't be an ingrate.
I'm not being an ingrate and I don' t want a hand out like so government worker or welfare bunny. I'm capable of paying my own medical bills without anyone's help. The best preventative care is staying out of a hospital from what I can see. If I'm going to die so be it, at least I'm not willing to let the hospital come in and take all my possessions and burden my heirs with debt or let an insurance company slowly but surely drain me dry over time.
I'm a farmer ... how would you like it if all us farmers got together and demanded higher prices to the point you had to have help from the government to pay for your food or we starved you out. We all know that isn't the case (the farmer typically takes a bath so idiots like you can eat) and people won't stand for this!
That's basically what the health care industry is doing ... so why are you so damn willing to hand your cash over to them? Stupidity?
Nope. Everyone who has to have emergency care, but can't pay for it (IE people without insurance), raise the cost of medical care. It goes up for everyone because we have to pay for them. So if they get insurance so they can get checkups from a doctor, there will be less of the expensive treatments. This costs LESS.
I want this because I want to pay less. I also like the public option because you don't have to pay for billions of dollars of insurance company profits. I LOVE saving money!
it would be nice if the media would have more supporters of Obama's health care reform on these show's.. all i see is republicans against it senators/congressmen/pundits.. so no wonder the poll's have dropped on it. and they say the media is liberal controlled? i think it;s all the Rx commercials like viagra and all the heart pills flomax etc that sign our media's paychecks. the only thing the media is good at is drama and non news and issues like Micheal Jackson
If anyone is gullible enough to believe that the majority of American people are going to benefit by this pork barrel healthcare nonsense, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Horseshit. Nonsense. Over 70% of Americans support some type of governmental public option. It WILL benefit millions of Americans. Do you have a problem with that?
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It has come out that Obama is covering up important economic data that is due soon. He's instructed his staff to "cover it up" until mid-August.
This may well be Obama's Watergate!
The data likely contains more bad news about a worsening economy, higher job losses and an out of control federal deficit, that may raise to panic mode.
He's still blaming Bush for everything, but it's not working anymore. Obama is falling fast!
You think he has those data taped under his desk or his chair? Or maybe he keeps them in his back pocket at all times! He's a president, not the friggin emperor. Presidents have no real power, they have symbolistic power and media power. Its silly to even imagine they have any real control over the economy much less have something to cover up.
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We are $12,000,000,000,000.00 (that's $12 trillion dollars) in debt as a nation. How the hell are we going to afford a "national health care" plan with that kind of debt?
Forget that the Federal Reserve prints US currency like it's monopoly money. We're still engaged in the "War on Terror" and our civil liberties were shredded with the Patriot Act.
Don't worry though, health care is the priority! Fight evil corporations so the politicians in Washington can continue to roll us all over.
Switch to the Westminster system. Get a huge majority in Parliament, pass whatever you like and if your party members dissent, sack them. If the upper house doesn't pass it, flood the place with peerages of your own people.
I agree - the US system of government sucks. Nothing gets done, and individual politicians can be easily held in sway by special interests, who finance their elections.
Chuck Todd has excellent sources and great insight into political news. With all the bloated ego, biased self-promoting blowhards out there, I always look forward to hearing news delivered without spin from Todd.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? you did NOT just say only 6% of people have complaints with their healthcare...
no actually you are probably right because only 10% of people acutually DO HAVE healthcare to complain about!
seriously...do some research and put yourself in other people's shoes before talking..I have seen people die because they could not afford their prescriptions. We are the greatest country in the world EVERYONE deserves healthcare..this is a joke.
You've lost your humanity. You need serious counseling. Who cares who they are, they are human beings suffering because of greed and apathy. Besides, as christinaeli pointed out eloquently, you are wrong with your math. And, 14,000 people a day are losing health care coverage - that is a serious NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE!
Hello. My names FreedomsPatriot. I couldn't think of a better name because I was having sex with my mother. This lead to my dumb incestuous kids that feed me ideas on what the worlds like.
That's the only logical way anyone could think of this crap.
How is what you said even a remote fact? Prove it. Show me how you know these are propaganda institutes. By the way I'm not strictly a liberal. I'd classify myself as in between liberal and libertarian.
Typical "go America no matter what dumb ass" response. Make wild claims with no facts.
Electango, again you show your ignorance and an amazing ability to parot EXACTLY what ever talking points that the right wingers and your apparent slave master faux news suply. There are like seven different sites that tell you the details of the presidents health care reform, but what would be the point, you won't look at it and will just repeat your lame tired idiotic talking points, your a looser and a joke!
all the little rich kid republi-spawn on the internet make a lot of noise, but don't let them bother you. Along with the white supremacists, the religious nutsos, and the just plain crazy(that would be you Glen), under-age teeny-trolls greazing around the internet on mom's computer over summer break make up 99% of the RINOsaurus party. GO BACK TO SCHOOL!
Almamattets you are a true idiot! What they are saying is that fox and sheeple like you are creating this myth that there is this huge struggle to get health care reform when it obvious that the American public wants it. 76% of poll respondents want health care reform. It is the right wingers who are creating these lies that he is struggling, what he is doing is called, "campaigning for reform",
Myth? Nobody including you knows what's in this health care reform. How can anyone support something when they don't know what it is? Obama needs to get America working again and to focus only on that until the recession ends. What's the rush on health care that nobody has time to read the fine print? It's a scam. You're for it and you don't even know what it will do,
poor donkey punched idiot, how was beck this morning, screaming as usual, or were you kneeling in front of the great bouncing fat man, repugs hate you unless you are the upper 1% of income, if you are not then you are a sheeple for faux news, Moron
chuck todd saying advocate money was out pacing the one million a day spent by the insurance and drug companies is pure nonsense. obama had already taken the public option off the table before allowing elizabeth fowler, an executive for wellpoint for 15 years to write the goddamn insurance bill. where was all the mainstream reporting on this todd??? i think jeremy scahill exposed this guy as your typical career over substance guy.
tomitstube 1 year ago
Chuck Todd YOU have created this drama and all corporate media that falls for Fox news lies (so much for our liberal media) are part of the problem. Thank god the senators and members of the house are listening to their constituents instead of watching cable tv. We have been asking for a public option and 19 out of 20 polls prove that Americans want a public option.
jensen1901 2 years ago
Use your brain people, remember when we were promised how car insurance rates would go down if they were made mandatory?....
WELL.............. WHOSE PAYS LESS IN CAR LIABILITY INSURANCE NOW?
SUCKERS!
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
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Obama and the Democrats are making a big mistake. Perhaps they do not remember when the Clintons tried to take over healthcare in 1993 and the Republicans took over Congress in 1994. According to Quinnipiac University poll, by a 72-21 margin voters do not believe Obama will keep his promise to reform healthcare without adding to the deficit. By 57-37 margin, voters think healthcare reform should be scrapped if it will add to the deficit.
roncram 2 years ago
xj2yzz - "Yada, yada, Bush, yada, yada, Bush, yada, yada, Bush, etc."
Sorry, the Gang of Three (Pelosi, Reid, and Obama) is in charge now. Blaming Bush doesn't fly.
CastorT64 2 years ago
Because of course, CastorT64, seven months is enough time to undo 96 months of mistakes, right?
xtrastage 2 years ago
No shit, but that is all they ever had, even though they were blaming a man that succeed and got the job done?
Liberals are so damn stupid!
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
Trillion dollar budgets, trillion dollar deficits, attempts to impliment rationed health care, growing unemployment, etc.
The Obama Presidency and the Loony Left Congress have been a disaster.
Next election, throw out the SOBs!
CastorT64 2 years ago
You know Bush started it,where were you then?
xj2yzz 2 years ago
"rationed healthcare"? not really... with the reform of several programs it will help reduce cost. Unemployment just went down according to the department of labor and statistics and were currently out of a recession.
ERAUPRCWA 2 years ago
Media doesn't matter Boycott MSM and beware of media matters because really it doesn't.
rachelabombdotcom 2 years ago
Hey, you're here, you're watching :)
Nictusempra 2 years ago
Obama is a real dumbass!
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
I guess you are smarter than he is, right? I am so glad that the country is no longer in the hands of nutjobs like yourself.
mgband 2 years ago
Yes dummy, I am smarter than he is, but most anybody with a functioning brain is also , but that leaves you out with all the other lying liberal brain dead dumb asses.
and typical of liberals, they prove their hypocrisy by deleting my comments!
Liberals fear the truth!
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
I read responses that say everyone deserves healthcare and this is a national issue.
With both of these I have to ask where in the Constitution does it provide that this is a national gov't power? It should be left to the states. If you think welfare clause, then you do not understand the Constitution.
I understand sympathy for your fellow man, but don't force me by the point of a gun to hand over money. Let me keep my money to give to charities as my free will desires or for my own healthcare.
barnold1000 2 years ago 2
Am not going to talk to you into a thing, I realize, but if half of you people who talk about private charities being the balm for all wounds would actually donate to them, maybe they'd be sufficient. As it stands, greater action is required.
Nictusempra 2 years ago
Oh my... that statement that if half of us gave to charity, perhaps it would be sufficient misses the point on so many levels. As stated earlier, charity is the only method of free will... i.e. freedom. Instead, it is demanded that we have a forced charity every April 15th.... i.e. not freedom. When did freedom become so unpopular in favor of gov't good. i.e. progressivism i.e. socialism.
Live Free or Die, men! Earn your destiny or go to Canada!
MrB0bb0 2 years ago
It is the impoverished in our country that lack in freedom, straitjacketed by ill-funded government programs that give only enough room for barest survival and punish those who attempt to work their way upward.
Freedom isn't just for you, nor is it just for the middle class.
Nictusempra 2 years ago
We have tried that, and it turns out most people are too greedy to give of their time or money. With this type of diseased mentality infecting western society, it is time that somebody stood up and did what is right by prying the money from your clenched hands.
OK OK, I am being facetious... but even so, people are suffering, and expecting people to do something about that suffering on their own free will is naive. Something has to be done, and a few eggs have to break to do it.
mgband 2 years ago
Hmmm, in your opinion, to coerce others to do as you want... even if against their will, is ok if it is the RIGHT thing for them.
So your worldview is when you get the power to coerce others (because people who think like you are in power) it is ok... break a few eggs as you say.
I don't pretend to know how to run your life better than you. And I would prefer you leave the right to do the same for myself and everyone else for that matter.
Who comes first... the individual or the collective?
MrB0bb0 2 years ago
Raising taxres is not socialism though, that is written into the constitution. That the government can raise taxes as they see fit for the general welfare of the American People.
AngelMarieFox 2 years ago 7
Please understand what general welfare means before using it as an argument
The fastest course to understanding it is to read Federalist paper #41.
The gov't has the power to raise taxes but only on those things that they are empowered. Those powers are listed in the Constitution (and healthcare is not mentioned) therefore, it falls to the states to take up items not mentioned (9th and 10th amendment). If general welfare meant the gov't to do ANYTHING, there would be no need to enumerate powers.
MrB0bb0 2 years ago
General welfare means the general well being. If you think people dying with various diseases and being refused treatment doesn't constitute as someone's well being, then you are lost.
AngelMarieFox 2 years ago 3
I'm only replying b/c I find this so funny.
So you think we should cover everyone "dying with various diseases?" Based on what? There is no legal clause (if you would please read what I provided) You can't just say I feel sorry for a group and arbitrarily take money from one group and give it to them. Hell, why not just pay 100% of your income to the gov't and let them take care of everyone based on your logic.
Does the Const provide the rights of gov't or their limitations? Please answer
MrB0bb0 2 years ago
DO you seriously think that because someone can't afford health care means that they shouldn't get it? If you do, you're not only disgusting, but I hope you get incredibly ill and not have the insurance to cover you.
AngelMarieFox 2 years ago 2
I will conclude this with a note to everyone...
Read AngelMarieFox's comment as that of your typical liberal. When you don't agree with them, they wish you harm.
MrB0bb0 2 years ago
I want you to see how it feels. You think that people don't deserve health care because they cannot afford it and that is despicable. I hope that one day the shoe is on the other foot and your views will definitely change.
AngelMarieFox 2 years ago 3
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this bill has no health care reform in it, only health care controle,every thing they tell you this bill will do is a LIE. this will deteriate our health care industry to the level of england or canada . all you need to do to understand how bad this is to ask your congressman to sign on to it for themselfs THEY WON't, never in a million years would they subject themselfs to this POS plan ask yourself WHY then ask them WHY read page 16 that will tell you all you need to know. stand up be heard.
scrapdaddy811 2 years ago
Dick head did you read the actual bill. Obviously you didn't. STFU.
Hazmat347 2 years ago
have you NO because they dont want it to be available to the public until the last second. that is exactly the problem they pass 1200 page bills and none of the members of congress has read it either. I have read the parts that have been made available and is nothing but a piece of bureaucratic piece of SIHT that is contrary to every thing OBOMA has promised the american people. but what else do you expect from a lying communist fuck like him? deciption, lies, bamboozle, double speek=DNC
scrapdaddy811 2 years ago
BTW do you know how to tell when your telling the truth? liberals call you a dick head and tell you to STFU rather than offer a real argument. RIGHT? I think you forgot the "Im telling mom!!!!" part. you libreral PUSSY
scrapdaddy811 2 years ago
Listen You crapdaddy911 test tube baby mother fucker. How can you read something thats not available to you fuck boy? And uh BTW Im not a liberal.
PUSSY! I can see it now you don't know shit from shinola. You just like the faggots at the Fox new channel all talk no facts. You know why members of congress haven't read a 1200 page bill because they have staff that does it for them shit for brains. See you are a Dick Head you conservative cum guzzler.
Hazmat347 2 years ago
I must be closer to the truth than i thought your on excitable ANGRY liberal pussy. hope you have some ductape to hold your head togather after it exploads.
scrapdaddy811 2 years ago
check todays polls!
stars13x 2 years ago
Obama now under 50% approval...America is finally waking up!!
stars13x 2 years ago
Um, no he is not
Schnaazberry 2 years ago
I'm till waiting for Obama to address the problem of Social Security. We were told 30 years ago that SS was teetering on bankruptcy and it still is. Without a lockbox, both Republicans and Democrats continue using the income to fund their pork-laden pet projects.
dyadtwo 2 years ago 2
Yes, the media has created this drama and Chuck Todd is leading the pack.
dyadtwo 2 years ago
Facts? All I see here is my challenge being ignored, a little "no it isn't", and an ad hominem attack. I thought I might have a logical civil conversation. But evidently not. Since you can't talk like big kids, the debate must end now, unresolved.
sonnygll 2 years ago
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"Here in England our education is far superior to that of the USA. Our Health Care is also better because it is a right for everyone & the doctors & nurses in return receive more benefits as well as higher salaries compared to those of the United States." Please bring this to the US too. People who care about American families will support this healthcare reform.
takingcookies1 2 years ago
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We have waited for more than 60 years for health care to be reformed. Doing nothing is no longer an option. Please take the time and read the bill for yourselves instead of falling for the lies and scare tactics that are spreading like wild fire. I have posted a link to the bill in the comment section of my profile for those of you who are interested in the truth. Thank you.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Real simple solution to the problem ... cap hospital cost to where the majority of Americans can afford it and get companies to drop the health insurance on their employees.
Do you realize how many more job there would be if companies and business owners didn't have to foot the bill for health insurance, workmans comp, etc. for their employees.
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
I think people are missing the point that insurance IS socialism. Everyone pays in a certain amount and gets back according to need. That is the definition of socialism. Plus billions of dollars in profit for corporations of course.
So why not have the government do it without profit. Just cut the insurance companies out of the equation all together? It's socialism no matter who is doing it. The only difference is the cost.
sonnygll 2 years ago
Insurance isn't socialism .... it a business until you start forcing people to buy it under a law ... that's socialism.
The cost isn't going to go down ... I talked to a gentlemen a while back that was from Ireland and they have this same health care system there and according to him the cost doesn't go down since there is nothing in place to stop the hospitals from taking advantage of the system and the taxpayers pay through the nose for it (whether you use it or not).
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
As for cost savings .... I'm saving plenty right now.
I haven't been to a hospital or doctor in over 15 years and I workout everyday, eat healthy, and I'm in perfect health ... and it's not costing me anything.
My father hasn't been to a doctor or hospital in over 40 years and he's doing just fine. My Grandfather hasn't been to a hospital in over 67 years and he's 91 now and doing just fine.
Not paying for someones problems and hospital bills ... now that's a cost savings.
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
Do you not see how selfish you are? Just because you and your family are doing fine, does not mean that there is nothing wrong with the system. People get sick everyday. Accidents happen everyday. Hell... I might have to go to the hospital now because I am nauseous after reading your comment.
That is the difference between us; I can see further than my own nose.
mgband 2 years ago
Problem is, the passage of Obama's bill will make medical insurance MANDATORY for ALL people. The government dictating what I will do about my health care is not funny.
iciavosser 2 years ago
Me having to pay higher health care costs to cover your emergency medical care because you don't have insurance would be even less funny.
I don't mind helping to pay for your preventative care. That's cheap. But I don't feel like paying for a major procedure you need because you didn't get proper care.
YOU need insurance. Because we DON'T need to choose between letting you die and paying for you.
sonnygll 2 years ago
This is nothing but a scam cooked up by the insurance companies and the health care industry.
I don't want health insurance or to be fined if I don't.
You shouldn't need health insurance to be able to go to the hospital and be treated. Before all these company and government programs, you use to be able to go to the doctor and the prices were reasonable. Now, the hospital are double and triple billing with no set price for procedures ... it's a freaking joke and so is health care reform.
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
This health insurance crap is what is destroying American business and the jobs they create.
If companies and the government would stop paying people's health insurance for them this problem would go away. It would break the health insurance companies backs and hospitals would be forced to low their prices to a reasonable rate where most people could afford it or the hospitals would go broke. It's time to give the health care industry a reality check instead of giving them more money!
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
In this economy .... we've all had the cut back or give up somethings to make a living .... why should the health care industry be immune from this (they want more ... and our govenemt seems hellbent on forcing us to give it to them).
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
Great, another person I have to pay for in higher medical costs because you won't get insurance. This solution is so it is CHEAPER, for people like me, to pay for people like YOU. Since letting you die isn't really an option.
unpaid emergency care is destroying health care. It is unsustainable.
There are kids dying in Africa who would love to have the preventative care that is going to be offered to you. So don't be an ingrate.
sonnygll 2 years ago
I'm not being an ingrate and I don' t want a hand out like so government worker or welfare bunny. I'm capable of paying my own medical bills without anyone's help. The best preventative care is staying out of a hospital from what I can see. If I'm going to die so be it, at least I'm not willing to let the hospital come in and take all my possessions and burden my heirs with debt or let an insurance company slowly but surely drain me dry over time.
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
Your missing the point ....
I'm a farmer ... how would you like it if all us farmers got together and demanded higher prices to the point you had to have help from the government to pay for your food or we starved you out. We all know that isn't the case (the farmer typically takes a bath so idiots like you can eat) and people won't stand for this!
That's basically what the health care industry is doing ... so why are you so damn willing to hand your cash over to them? Stupidity?
EvilWeevilAnime 2 years ago
Nope. Everyone who has to have emergency care, but can't pay for it (IE people without insurance), raise the cost of medical care. It goes up for everyone because we have to pay for them. So if they get insurance so they can get checkups from a doctor, there will be less of the expensive treatments. This costs LESS.
I want this because I want to pay less. I also like the public option because you don't have to pay for billions of dollars of insurance company profits. I LOVE saving money!
sonnygll 2 years ago
it would be nice if the media would have more supporters of Obama's health care reform on these show's.. all i see is republicans against it senators/congressmen/pundits.. so no wonder the poll's have dropped on it. and they say the media is liberal controlled? i think it;s all the Rx commercials like viagra and all the heart pills flomax etc that sign our media's paychecks. the only thing the media is good at is drama and non news and issues like Micheal Jackson
ace8878 2 years ago
Media matters sucks.
wolviex2008 2 years ago
OBAMACARE=EPIC FAIL
spankinator3000 2 years ago
OBAMA = EPIC FALL
spankinator3000 2 years ago
You wish,,,but you will fail not Obama.
Towser60 2 years ago
If anyone is gullible enough to believe that the majority of American people are going to benefit by this pork barrel healthcare nonsense, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
CastorT64 2 years ago
How much and do you take Visa?
milliradian 2 years ago
Horseshit. Nonsense. Over 70% of Americans support some type of governmental public option. It WILL benefit millions of Americans. Do you have a problem with that?
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
liberals don't let the right wing loonies get their way .. stand up for health care
tsocanuck 2 years ago
obama is the man
tsocanuck 2 years ago
lol obama fans u feel better...its all media hype...so is obama
jwojthr 2 years ago
Chuck Todd is an evil man with a huge amount of power. And, of course, he sucks at his job. Die, you prick.
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MrLessons101 2 years ago
It has come out that Obama is covering up important economic data that is due soon. He's instructed his staff to "cover it up" until mid-August.
This may well be Obama's Watergate!
The data likely contains more bad news about a worsening economy, higher job losses and an out of control federal deficit, that may raise to panic mode.
He's still blaming Bush for everything, but it's not working anymore. Obama is falling fast!
Zile77 2 years ago
You think he has those data taped under his desk or his chair? Or maybe he keeps them in his back pocket at all times! He's a president, not the friggin emperor. Presidents have no real power, they have symbolistic power and media power. Its silly to even imagine they have any real control over the economy much less have something to cover up.
saibjai 2 years ago
Chuck Todd jumped the shark trying to spin that this (hc deal) will happen. No way in hell.
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EarnPoints2ShopNOW 2 years ago
Use your TV as a foot stool or a stepping stone in a bridge; it will be better for your brain that way.
k166a 2 years ago
Obama daughters learning valuable lessons in budgeting..NOT!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!
330kaybo 2 years ago
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ohkeepa2009 2 years ago
spammer, everyone has read your ignorant tinfoil hat crap 100 million times.
dejahthoris 2 years ago
preach about the fake moon landing. and roswell . and the magic bullet that killed JFK next.
We all NEED the TRUTH. Please tell me MORE Truths. I can handle the TRUTH.
Adv2k169 2 years ago
$400,000,000,000.00
FOUR HUNDRED BILLIONS HAS BEEN SPENT BY THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY in the last decade.
One million four hundred thousand dollars are being spent everyday to defeat health care reform
One thousand health care lobbyists are being flown to Washington DC right now!
The force of of the health care industry is very strong on this one!
teleutube 2 years ago 6
We are $12,000,000,000,000.00 (that's $12 trillion dollars) in debt as a nation. How the hell are we going to afford a "national health care" plan with that kind of debt?
Forget that the Federal Reserve prints US currency like it's monopoly money. We're still engaged in the "War on Terror" and our civil liberties were shredded with the Patriot Act.
Don't worry though, health care is the priority! Fight evil corporations so the politicians in Washington can continue to roll us all over.
Kapan60 2 years ago
Surplus before Bush fucked it up.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago 2
If you consider a goverment surplus Clinton raiding Social Security to pay of goverment debt, then I suppose so.
I'd say send Bush straight to prison, but I'm already tired of him wasting tax dollars. Maybe we could send him abroad for war crimes instead.
Kapan60 2 years ago
Chuck Todd is the most interesting political analyst on TV. I stop multi-tasking when he starts speaking -- he's worth my undivided attention.
gmatusk 2 years ago 2
I suppose a blowjob is also in order.
Gman256 2 years ago
Switch to the Westminster system. Get a huge majority in Parliament, pass whatever you like and if your party members dissent, sack them. If the upper house doesn't pass it, flood the place with peerages of your own people.
baresolid 2 years ago
I agree - the US system of government sucks. Nothing gets done, and individual politicians can be easily held in sway by special interests, who finance their elections.
fishhead06 2 years ago
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dejahthoris 2 years ago
Chuck Todd has excellent sources and great insight into political news. With all the bloated ego, biased self-promoting blowhards out there, I always look forward to hearing news delivered without spin from Todd.
cooperzee 2 years ago 4
Tell the blue dogs: fifty to seventy million uninsured is a health care crisis and a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE. .
duhCider 2 years ago
It is an illegal alien problem dumbasses!!!!!
Only 6% have any complaints with their health care, just wait until the government fucks it all up!!!
You would be able to afford an aspirin!
First off, get all politicians, (lawyers) the hell out of any decision making!
Better yet, NEVER...NEVER...NEVER... Elect a lawyer for anything, especially the ones who NEVER had a real JOB!
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? you did NOT just say only 6% of people have complaints with their healthcare...
no actually you are probably right because only 10% of people acutually DO HAVE healthcare to complain about!
seriously...do some research and put yourself in other people's shoes before talking..I have seen people die because they could not afford their prescriptions. We are the greatest country in the world EVERYONE deserves healthcare..this is a joke.
christinaeli 2 years ago
Out of 300,000,000 only 16,000,000 are LEGAL CITIZENS without health care and most CHOOSE NOT to have Health Care?
The Constitution does not provide for any health care or even public schooling either.
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
You've lost your humanity. You need serious counseling. Who cares who they are, they are human beings suffering because of greed and apathy. Besides, as christinaeli pointed out eloquently, you are wrong with your math. And, 14,000 people a day are losing health care coverage - that is a serious NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE!
duhCider 2 years ago
I'm hoping for single payer.
mraevirdomil 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
MM & MoveOn and another hundred of these liberal propagandist sites are funded by George Soros, he owns all liberal Demoncrooks like yourself....
Typical liberal hypocrisy and stupidity, now the morons forget who owns them?...lol.
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
lolololol
2nd fail
lewghost 2 years ago
What´s your point, patriot ??? What do you really know about Soros ?? Am I owned ??? Get a life. You sound unhappy..
Francebrasil 2 years ago
Hello. My names FreedomsPatriot. I couldn't think of a better name because I was having sex with my mother. This lead to my dumb incestuous kids that feed me ideas on what the worlds like.
That's the only logical way anyone could think of this crap.
Tylonous 2 years ago
Typical liberal response when backed into a corner with facts.
Only liberal faggots seem to have some sexual problems with their mother?.....
FreedomsPatriot 2 years ago
How is what you said even a remote fact? Prove it. Show me how you know these are propaganda institutes. By the way I'm not strictly a liberal. I'd classify myself as in between liberal and libertarian.
Typical "go America no matter what dumb ass" response. Make wild claims with no facts.
Tylonous 2 years ago
hahaha, you think one person owns everything
troll
encoli 2 years ago
fearful words from a person who believes in fearful propaganda
ELowkey7 2 years ago
Electango, again you show your ignorance and an amazing ability to parot EXACTLY what ever talking points that the right wingers and your apparent slave master faux news suply. There are like seven different sites that tell you the details of the presidents health care reform, but what would be the point, you won't look at it and will just repeat your lame tired idiotic talking points, your a looser and a joke!
aquamadman 2 years ago
all the little rich kid republi-spawn on the internet make a lot of noise, but don't let them bother you. Along with the white supremacists, the religious nutsos, and the just plain crazy(that would be you Glen), under-age teeny-trolls greazing around the internet on mom's computer over summer break make up 99% of the RINOsaurus party. GO BACK TO SCHOOL!
palaround 2 years ago
they vote for change, and when the chance is starting, and they say that they are not sure????
american people are like women, they dont know wht they want.
m6m17 2 years ago
Republicans always side with the corporations.
That is why the Republican party is dead.
Richardgwm 2 years ago 11
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electango 2 years ago
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eqsmooth 2 years ago
Corporations aren't stupid. They will give to both parties just to hedge their bets. And it makes perfect sense.
The way the system is setup and the way private interests can manipulate the government is stunning.
ifinoli 2 years ago 2
It's not that simple but it's a rather agreeable statement.
Kloxboy 2 years ago
as much as the repubs want to kill the health care reform, if 76% of the people in this country want it, it will pass.
fma891 2 years ago 7
by that logic the 80% of americans that DIDNT want bailouts should not have past but they did.
turkeyduck123 2 years ago
Almamattets you are a true idiot! What they are saying is that fox and sheeple like you are creating this myth that there is this huge struggle to get health care reform when it obvious that the American public wants it. 76% of poll respondents want health care reform. It is the right wingers who are creating these lies that he is struggling, what he is doing is called, "campaigning for reform",
aquamadman 2 years ago 5
Myth? Nobody including you knows what's in this health care reform. How can anyone support something when they don't know what it is? Obama needs to get America working again and to focus only on that until the recession ends. What's the rush on health care that nobody has time to read the fine print? It's a scam. You're for it and you don't even know what it will do,
electango 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Finally, a member of the MSM admitting that the MSM is nothing but a farce.
almamatters2471 2 years ago
poor donkey punched idiot, how was beck this morning, screaming as usual, or were you kneeling in front of the great bouncing fat man, repugs hate you unless you are the upper 1% of income, if you are not then you are a sheeple for faux news, Moron
goldgrif 2 years ago
Way to go, Chuck!
fryersoncaptain 2 years ago 3