Bad Influence! - Atari Jaguar

[IotoAncor]

Im sorry but did he say a Virtual Realty Helmet? What a load of bull shit.

[djdavedoc]

oh god how bad did Cybermorph and Chequered Flag 2 look!!? 64 Bits? Yeah right you could do Virtua Racing on a Mega Drive and Star Fox looks Tonnes better and plays better than Cybermorph.... 48Bits less but a whole load better!

[Kirbyguy12345]

Well n64 and ps1 was more powerful because n64 is true 64 bit jaguar some how adds it up and ps1 is more or not powerful than jaguar

[ChocoboGrinder]

Atari Jaguar ....64bit of real shit !

[revengemf]

that motherfucker dont invented the pong game ,,,,stupid bitch and stupid asshole guy.

[IporkPeople]

64 bits you fucking faggots! Get your limp dick 16 bit shit systems outta my face! Ill punch your soft dick hard if you dont believe the Atari Jaguar was the best video game player in the house. Those graphics hit so hard your momma sits on it for anul pleasure.

[winlover37]

Yeah, Atari JAGUA... Sure...

[natixeboom]

The nes and master system were not the first game systems you stupid bitch!

[J25x]

I take it this program was aired in the early 90's?

[dannyofthededd]

bless em fer trying to sell us some kit..never realised that most telly was just a thinly veiled shopping channel back in the day..shit....i miss being a young un.

[incarnationofsorrow]

"So what does 64 bit mean?" Well lady, it means that you're extremely hard on the eyes with your military buzz, and it also means that british people love to turn abbreviations into obnoxious words, the SNEZZ!?

[VAR1UM]

What the fuck is that hideous mutant at 0:39 ?

[ANAHEIM8]

a virtual reality helmet? lol

[SlightyDisturbedNBK]

@ANAHEIM8 That would have been interesting. Shame about the quality of the games though.

[TheRedCoke]

Neo geo was a beast and still is a fucking beast.

[sinjeet1]

i cant see shit!!!

[ZyxthePest]

WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY?

[IBOU699]

buttsex with an asian man

[tttoomm1]

ha ha ha ha  fantastic quality

[AutumnOath]

WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY? D:

Either way, I miss those days...

[NielsShoe]

32bit graphics Chip with a 16bit CPU and 2Mb of ram The neo geo was more powerfull.

[Alevamltd]

@NielsShoe

Actually, there was a 64-bit blitter coprocessor and 64-bit object processor

both of these chips worked in tandem with the GPU on a 64-bit bus

[footlover2345]

omg my phone has better graphics than that lol

[nikkademus1]

the bit wars those were the good old days!

[IluvSonic09]

Atari Jaguar the best console in the world

[madbadJim]

I had a 1million bit console it was really great. It could write to YOUR memory and cause emotions. I especially liked street fighter 74 Chun Lee's revenge. Were u were actually made asian. So im asian now.

[AlexFruen]

"The jaguars 64 bit connectors are so small you can barely see them" Thats probably because their not there...

[djdavedoc]

@AlexFruen Lol yep

[atariman72]

that virtual reality helmet would have been kick-ass

[newkillergenius]

Jesus. I hate this machine. I own one and couldn't even be talked into playing it, it's so bad.

[completebastard]

Snezz. Snezzzzzzzzzz. o_O

[adakar83]

VIRTUAL REALITY HELMET !!?!?!?

SAY WHAT ???

[Arrowdance]

64 bits? FAIL!

[thegamingbrit]

The connectors are so faint you can hardly see them. Probably because they aren't there. They never knew the laughing stock Atari and the Jaguar would be today.

[SniperStorm7]

It's like if I put two Sega 32X's on top of each other, Now it's 64 bit!

[RJElite]

JAh ag u er

[Tryzon]

"The first consoles"?

I think she means "3rd generation".

[ihave1dollars]

fantastic quality graphics... lol

[modewr]

Is the Jaguar really 16 or 32 bit?

[Treblaine]

@modewr Jaguar is really 32 bit... but it isn't ALL about the bus-size (how many bits), the bits may be a fundamental limitation (8 bit consoles are fundamentally limited) but just because one limit is removed doesn't mean the full capability is there.

Jaguar just wasn't that capable, it used older tech than 32-bit consoles like PS1. Bit-size is not very relevant any more, there are so many varying factors it's best to judge consoles by their ACTUAL games, not theoretical performance.

[TrevHead10]

@Treblaine I read in a old retrogamer mag that that Jag was originally a upgraded konix / fair child console which was stillborn UK console. Atari bought the tech and voila

[Alevamltd]

@modewr

It has two 64-bit coprocessors working in tandem with a 32-bit GPU

[damieandark]

Jaguer had only around 3 good games ever made for it imo the best console never to really make it big is still the Sega Dreamcast.

[TheHushCat]

@damieandark After seeing a vid just then displaying 50 Jag games, I spotted a fair few good titles, however most of these better titles were games that already existed on other platforms, such as Doom, Wolfenstein 3D, Zoop, Bubsy, Cannon Fodder, Theme Park, Worms etc. They were smooth though.

[tmsods]

what a perfect name for a show that promotes comercially failed consoles!

[SouskeSagara91]

I don't see why they thought that these games look awesome. Star Fox for the SNES looked a lot better then this cybershit flying game.

[tmsods]

@SouskeSagara91

what I don't see is how there is a huge fan base of people who actually think that it's a good system.

[japhyriddle]

Ooh. Beta version of AVP. Awesome.

[luishomeroremohsiul]

lol@virtual reality helmet

[fgfan19]

That was a pretty cool show, but they were wrong about Pong being the first arcade game the first arcade game was Computer Space and it was made by Nolan Bushnell who they were talking about so they really should have known that.

[paulspydar]

its amazing how Violet has changed, still fancy her rotten though!

[rekkapower]

too bad jaguar sucked shit out of an ass, i know i have one.

[hazzardwantcookies]

if only it had done as well as they made it look like it would. :(

[playstation4evah]

Of course its a bad influence! Its a shitty Atari Jaguar its not a sexy Playstation.

[97channel]

I remember the hype surrounding it before launch, then..... saw a demo console in HMV on launch day and the large gathered crowd stood open mouthed at how awful the graphics looked! There was a football game playing on it, and ye-gods it looked absolutely pants. Word spread around the city within hours and NOBODY wanted one. Stores couldn't give them away. In one store, on the same day, sales staff were openly slating it for all to hear. I'll never forget how disappointed everyone was.

[sevenforcex]

@97channel LOL Thats so true, I remember I really wanted a Jaguar had been making early payments to my local game store, and then I saw the games -_-

I bought a playstation instead.

[0mniaVincitAm0r]

most snes games look better than this lol

[homer4556]

what kill the jaguar off was the poor lack of games.

did,nt help with that joypad what look like a big house phone.

The super nes,gameboy,sega where knocking bells out of this even when it was out

[NeverAgain1985]

wow this is old,another time. that blonde chicks voice makes me wanna punch her

[JESSIEEDSELL21]

heres a few things they could have done to save there company

1. change there name from atari to somthing else the 'atari' name was tarnished

2. they shouldnt have lied and said it was a 64 bit machine even if it was a 32 bit machine its still twice as powerful as the sega genesis whom was dominating at the time

3. never should have made the cd attatchment it used to much resources

4. had really good launch games.

5.redesign the controller to make it more compact and durable.

[bestgamer2112]

omg the gameplay and falure rate of the snes is way better the megadrive was a fail to

[stewroo]

Wow, we all clearly have too much spare time, besides its the games that make the console and the jaguar, now withstanding, had none of any memorable value, hence failure. That said I did enjoy alien trilogy, for a couple of minutes.

[SauceCaptain]

@stewroo It's clear that you never played a Jaguar at all. There never even was a game called "alien trilogy" for the Jaguar. There was a game caled Alien vs Predator for the Jag that was an amazing game when released. Of the 60 or so games that came out for the Jaguar many of them are not any good but the system has some amazing games that are still fun to play. If you ever get a chance to play Battlesphere or Skyhammer you might change your mind about the system.

[hellspit2003]

cybermorph has realy awesome shooting sounds in this video... the actual game had atari 2600 sound effects.. boy did atari drop the bomb with this pile of pooh!

[yankee268]

Outdated even for the time. Sony made the PS1 and made Sega, Atari, and Nintendo eat it's dust.

[bestgamer2112]

@yankee268 no n64 gave it a run for its money

[3gdosrsfs]

Now for anyone with real knowledge, bits mean little. The Jaguar's biggest downfall is not its bit width which is 64 bits. It is the fact that 5 processors are trying to use the same unified 64 bit bus ans same unified 64 bit memory. Tom and Jerry are monster precessing chips. The problem with the Jaguar is the system design, not the silicon.

[3gdosrsfs]

Get over it Nintendo fan boy....which BTW the N64 is a 64 bit processor ona 32 bit system bus. So how much less is your garbage machine based on your flawed logic? Piss poor i'd say.

[3gdosrsfs]

StoneyTheRaster, you are clueless. The OPL and Blitter are 64 bit processors connected to a 64 bit bus system. The Two Riscs are 32 bits internal and is all they need to be. They could have very well been 8 bits internal and still have the system be 64 bits. THe GPU, though a 32 bit risc internallly is capable of reading and writng 64 bits in one bus access.

[3gdosrsfs]

The Jaguar is truly a 64 bit bus with 3 64 bit procesors. Any moron that thinks its two 32 bit processors is a parrot repeating the ignorance of the game mags morons who's daddy bought them a magazine company and have not one bit of technical understanding whatsoever.

[meowmmmmm]

Jaguar has 5 processors. 3 of them are 64 bit processors on one chip, the other is a 64 bit on another chip. They communicate an external 32 bit address bus. The Atari 2600 had an 8 bit processor, but did not use a full 8 bit address bus. Numerous consoles state they are so many bits, but limit the address bus to save cost. As for the Jag, 4 of its 5 processors can process 64 bits of information at a time. I say its 64 bit.

[michaelstokley1970]

HEY THATS GREAT

[campervan25]

in the UK ppl pronounce the super nintendo SNEZ i dunno i just call it super nintendo

[AMD7thS]

how times have changed

[Linebeck6]

They said add ons such as a "virtual reality helmet", looks like it never saw the light of day because the system alone was such a FAILURE!

[CPS2]

Actually there are working prototypes of the Jaguar VR headset.

It was never released because Virtuality - the company that were making it (and THE company for VR stuff worldwide) couldn't make the headset cheap enough to be a viable release.

[DanielBMS]

1:28 32 + 32 does not equal 64.

[CPS2]

Go to school much?

[DanielBMS]

It's a joke dude. In all seriousness it's dishonest to claim any computer is 64 bit unless it has a 64 bit CPU. Take a look at how 64 bit computers are just now becoming common place. The reality of the Jaguar's 32 bit CPU combined with it's 32 bit graphics system was that it was just too hard to program for. No game ever fully took advantage of the Jaguar's hardware.

[CPS2]

True enough.

Most Jag games looked like Genesis or SNES games at best. There were a few which were impressive (AvP, Tempest) but the only game to really show what the Jaguar could do was Skyhammer - a game released 6 years after the Jaguar's death. :-)

[taranchula97]

mathematically it does equal 64, but the fact that the jaguar has a 32 bit sound chip and a 32 bit video chip means that it's really a 32 bit system.

[CPS2]

@taranchula97

Do a bit of homework please mate.

You clearly don't know much about the jaguar's architecture if you think it had "a 32 bit sound chip and a 32 bit video chip".

[stoneytheraster]

@CPS2

taranchula97 is right. If it has two 32 bit processors one for sound and one for graphics then it is a 32 bit machine.

[CPS2]

@stoneytheraster

But he's not right.

The Jag did have two 32 bit processors and one of them did handle sound - but sound was only a small part of what the second chip (Jerry) did.

In order to save yourself from any more annoying bandwagon-jumping urges, I suggest you search for some Jaguar specifications.

[CPS2]

@stoneytheraster

And before you go reiterating to me what the TV presenters in the above video have said, just remember that they don't really know what they're talking about :-)

[stoneytheraster]

@CPS2

I'm not bandwagon-jumping. It's a 32 bit machine. Just because it has two 64 bit cpus does not automatically make it a 64 bit machine. They are two 32 bit cpus therefore they can access up to 4 billion memory addresses, or 4GB of RAM. The Jaguar is an example of parellel processing where it is getting two cpus to do two or more simultaneous tasks but that does not mean any one cpu is faster than another. I suggest you read up on cpu architecture.

[CPS2]

@stoneytheraster

Huh? Two 64 bit cpus?

I suggest you read up on reading up, sunshine

And yeah, you really are bandwagon jumping :-)

[stoneytheraster]

@CPS2

yeah that was meant to say 32 bit. Anyway if you think 32 + 32 in base 2 equals 64 then I will leave you in your world of ignorance. Good day! :P

[LeonMeekis84]

They should compare that shit console to a PS3. LOL!

[taranchula97]

So it's NOT a 64 bit console then....

Atari lied to us! No wonder this console failed!

[CPS2]

The console failed due to piss-poor marketing and advertisement, and an over complicated architecture which made writing code for it a real bitch.

The debate of whether or not it is 64 bit has raged on for years, and no one is going to win because no one can can be absolutely sure.

I realise it's cool to bash the Jaguar, but let's not forget that it was host to Tempest 2000 and the Rebellion's original Alien vs Predator. 2 of the very best games ever.

[andoc]

You speak the truth about Tempest and AVP, those two games were very good. I actually love Tempest 200, and that game is the only reason I hunted for a Jaguar on Ebay. The rest of the Jag games I got on the package... sigh... they suck so hard.

[skatepunkuk41]

Atari Jaguar lol how we look back at that review and laugh. If I conect 4 snes together does that make it 64 bit? The games even when that review was made looked no better than a mega drive shooter or star fox for the snes.

[justinsfhc]

i bet those guys got paid from atari to give posi feedback...

[TONYCOV881]

oh my god

i fucking loved this show, i was 10 when this was on, i fucking loved it

[CLeRKSfan4life]

Damn that woman's voice was annoying

[urtv1]

it's a 32 bit system dammit

[urtv1]

@urtv1 even worse most of the games look 16 bit. The jaguar was quite possibly the worst console of all time.

[CLeRKSfan4life]

64 bit. All the proof is there in the specs and if people knew what the fock they were talking about this argument would be over.

[urtv1]

@CLeRKSfan4life No you don't include sound. If the jaguar is 64 bit then the megadrive is 24 bit. As the old jacguar comercials say do the math

[CLeRKSfan4life]

I'm not including the sound processor. I'm just going by specs, graphical techniques and developer comments.

[urtv1]

@CLeRKSfan4life It's still a terrible console.

[CLeRKSfan4life]

lol. Fair enough.

[SegaVsNin]

Ummm... wasn't Space War the first arcade game?

[CollisionCat]

Correct! Since Pong was so popular, people often erroneously refer to that as the first arcade game, sometimes even the first video game. =P

[frankyrocksmyrocks]

the sness?

[Mibmu]

@frankyrocksmyrocks, SNES, Super Nintendo Entertainment System.

[frankyrocksmyrocks]

of course, i'd never heard anyone refer to it as a "sness," either the lady has no idea what shes talking about, OR she knows exactly what shes talking about. i'm scared.

[TheRusskinruss]

64 bits means you had to build it your self..it came with 64 bits to build it..

[jeystonemusic]

i have such fond memories of being 14..donkey kong country on the SNES, killer instinct at the arcades..I remember waiting for the ultra 64, i saved for a whole year to buy it

[panacea999]

You can see why this machine tanked. The games look terrible, much worse than what the SNES and Megadrive were doing at the time.

[Nintendomanwill]

'Two 32 bit processors'

So it's not 64 bit then!

[aletrenismusic]

Lies!

It's a flipping 32 bit console! They said it theirself in their biased little voices.

Virtua Racing must have been awful! I love that game, but with a controller like a mobile phone I doubt it would be any good.

[hididdlyho82]

Sega and Atari learned the hard not to make shit consoles, the dreamcast was a brillant console but they'd made so many duds by then noone took it seriously!

[sonikku956]

@hididdlyho82 i am suprised that SEGA didnt take Atari as a example as what would happen to them if they dont get their act together.

[hididdlyho82]

It was just a case of the company's thinking whoever released their console's first would become the biggest that and greed! Also programing languages are more sophisticated now programer's would've found it hard going trying to create 64 bit graphics created with the C++language! It would have taken them quite a while!

[LeonMeekis84]

dreamcast had so much potential.. sigh

[LurkingCrassZero]

I used to have a crush on Violet Berlin as a kid!

[MagikGimp]

Virtual reality helmet, no no NO Atari!!

Also, only machine in the country, what do we do? Open her up and poke around inside, of course!

[Grimraziel]

"The CD add on should come next year"... Jaguar from way of the begening should have build in CD-Drive.... 5mb carts were just huge mistakes... And still Jaguar have only 32 bit prossesor... so it isn't the first true 64bit system

[AssociationAdmirer]

Yes. Look at it. I've seen vids of a few games that appeared on both the Jaguar and the Playstation. Without exception, the Jaguar versions look as good or better than the Playstation versions.

Take a good look at Rayman for the Jaguar. Unquestionably more impressive than the Playstation version.

[akumacornflakes]

@AssociationAdmirer

It seems to me that the Jaguar was much more well suited to 2D than the PS1, which was mostly focusing on polygons, so it definitely had that going for it. People always talk about how the Jaguar had worse graphics than the Playstation, but quite frankly, the Playstation had some really crappy looking games as well (Metal Gear Solid's brilliant, but it still looks like a bunch of Legos.)

[hididdlyho82]

Do you know it was mainly based on the game part of the failed Atari Falcon! A old ST processor was placed in it to run the system leaving the 64 bit part to run the game, but programmers couldn't be arsed even using the 64 bit(falcon part) and just used the ST chip to rush games out thats why it doe'sn't look like it's 64 bit because it isn't! It's not even 16 bit really! more like 12 as the other bits ran the sound!

[ImprovedMano2]

The only real 64-bit console was the (Nintendo 64)

[MASTURCHEEF001]

@ImprovedMano2 yeah!

[1a5c]

@ImprovedMano2 what about the ps2? it had a 64 bit processor but yea the n64 was great :)

[MASTURCHEEF001]

@1a5c 128 bit. not 64 bit.

[nicholasthetaylor]

@ImprovedMano2 You are a sad sad man

[cockmaster2006]

@ImprovedMano2 and was a shit but yeah n64 was better than this shit of jaguar

[MegaJacob97]

@ImprovedMano2 true but it was the second 32 bit system to come out in the uk 1st was the amiga cd32

[atarian2049]

Unfortunately, the Atari Corporation relied on hardware claims like this to sell their system. They sold it on the potential to have great games instead of _having_ great games at launch, which is what Nintendo did with the NES. Atari sold the Jaguar like a computer instead of a video game system, and as a result, the system went nowhere.

[radicalgarbage02]

OMG that fucking dike was annoyingly loud. Sounded like a drowning bag of cats.

[FistedByTrisha]

Nah mate, Violet Berlin's a legend! :-)

[iluvmyveedub]

Pong was not the first arcade game, it was Computer Space, pong was just more popular.

Anyway, JAG FTW!

[cyberduhh]

i had this console and bielive me it was a brick of cowshitit had no games and was rubbish

amiga megadrive and snes

where the best

[TheWalshMan]

Worst console ever. OMG LOLZ!

[homer4556]

64bit don,t make me laught

Every one of them manchine on the table beat the jaguar

[katakisLives]

I've seen the Atari jaguar up close and the graphics sure as hell didn't look 64 bit

[bogart266]

They are 32 bit at best... It's like an n64 but 32 bits less and no video like the PS1. It was a real piece of shit spare SOME games like raiden and tempest 2000. That's really it though.

[mitzibishi]

the cranester! and the dike with the lisp. plenty of videogame faux pas here. "the first consoles, like the master system"

[southlondon80]

Andy crane is a helmet!

[KitsuneDarkStalker]

What a great idea, the system isn't even ready yet, and LET'S SHOW THE INTERNALS ON PUBLIC TV! >_>

[benjaminshinobi]

Indeed a bad Influence on children...not fair to lie to children

[TheSaintST1]

somuch potential but so many things conspire against it.. a real shame :(

[mormanwarrior]

reality helmet gime a break

[roflman79]

lmao jaguar virtual reality helmet!!

[hardgayramen4ever]

where did you learn how to fly?

[sbiq]

Lies.

Pong was created by Ralph H. Baer, not Nolan Bushnell.

[Sheepy007]

Bushnell created pong, Bear created a tennis videogame and Higinbotham created the first tennis game ever.

[externalpower]

the snezz

[StuLuminos]

I want my Virtual Reality helmet!

[dodsLOVER]

i like tom :D

[megaverner]

This video proves that the Jaguar wasn´t a 64-bit console, since it could only produce 32-bit graphics and 32-bit sound. If the Jaguar was 64-bit, then the NES would have been 16-bit, and Megadrive 32-bit.

[dorkforceti83]

Nope, bits have nothing to do with CPU speed. Jag was slow cause it had only 20mhz cpu. N64 is way faster cause it has a 95mhz CPU.

Atari 2600 and NES were both 8-bit. NES just had faster CPU. It's a scientific fact jag could process 64bit instructions. Just really slowly ; )

[dorkforceti83]

oh and the guy was mistaken about the 2 32 bit processors. It actually had a 64bit, a couple 32bit ones, and a 16bit processor. I'm sure if I wiki it I'd be correct.

[Raymiles2]

You must have completely missed everything he said. the graphics processor (the bit that most people use to judge the power of the console) is ONLY 32-Bit and the other 32 bits are in the sound processor. Looking at footage of Jag games it easily equals other 32-Bit games like those on the Sega 32X or Super FX chipped SNES games (which were technically 32 Bit)

[Herbarius]

CD addon? Virtual Reality helmet?

LOL ^^ those never saw the light of day.

[jellyboy123]

the cd drive did make it on to the market it was a add on that you put in to the cartridge bay of the jaguar sadly there was only 14 games made for the cd add on for the jaguar.

[Enzo012]

The CD addon saw the light of day.

[Herbarius]

Yeah, I noticed my error even before the new AVGN episode came out... But it's really weird, especially since they seem to have planned it all the way, it propably should have been part of the system instead of an addon - but I guess they wanted to make money.

[Raymiles2]

The CD add-on did

[Herbarius]

Yes, I know. As you can see I already wrote that it was my mistake.

[strunway]

the jag wasnt really 64bit, it was a complicated "sort of" variant of a 32 bit machine.

It was 64 bit technically in certain programming comditions. But saddly a let down for the suckers that fell for it.

also the programmers couldnt use the '64bit ness" it was so contrived

[therealKINDLE]

I'm afraid that snake is right. The chips were so hard to program that alot of textures, sounds & other elements were left out of many games such a Checkered Lag coz they got fed up! But a few did get done & they were the few games that shined. Tempest 2000 has now became a cult! Me & wes are fans! I miss the Jag in a way! Querky old Jag!

[snake2006]

The problem with the Jag is that the chips were incomplete and thus prone to crashing.

You think developers complain about PS3's being hard to program for, the Jag is a nightmare.

The are serious bugs in the chips, which is what helped it die a early death because the developers didn't want to hassle with it.

[robotwo]

WHOA WHOA WHOA! wait a minute... they were making a VR-helmet for it? D8

WHY DIDN'T IT GET RELEASED!?

we totally need more of those :(

[rich1980]

god cant believe i used to get excited over those games

[hididdlyho82]

I know

[joeshgamespot]

ahhh, bad influence, the poor mans gamesmaster.

[NETGURU2525]

Not effects like THAT? I Won't believe it!

[ineedapizza]

isn't this a bit out of sync?

[blackienvincecock]

an ambomination of a console should be ashamed to have Atati on it

[bruceclarkemexico]

'Atati'?

[Tube2097]

I still have my Jaguar, complete with more than 20 games. Alien VS Predator, etc etc. Cool controller map cards.