JESUS CHRIST IS A MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND GOD THE FATHER AND ST MARY IS MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND HER SON-CHRIST CONFIRMED BY VISIONARIES FOR 2000 YEARS.
GOD WANTS FAMILY NOT ROBOTS AND ALLOWS ST MARY AND ALL SAINTS AND ANGELS to HELP US!
SHE IS OUR MOTHER IN CHRIST AND BLESSED BY ALL GENERATIONS
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:1-17-LADY OF GUADALUPE
To all the Protestants, please explain to me why every angelic appartition is demonic? Didnt God and Jesus use angels to do good? Why wouldnt he do so again? I'll stay with "judge ye by his fruits" and frankly your fruit oh disruptor of good works is rotten. Christ entered the world through a woman and he will come again by a woman... You miss out on so much by your ignorance.
Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these DECEIVERS and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to signs that were so evident and did so plainly foretell their future desolation; but like men infatuated without either eyes to see, or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that G-d made to them. "Josephus Flavus"
The Theotokos --the God-bearer-- bringing a message of peace & harmony to ALL, regardless of religious beliefs. She appeared to Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims, Jews and non-believers alike, with motherly love. She is the messenger & the message in one, for she actually LIVED and LIVES [we believe in the resurrection thanks to Jesus Christ] the message in herself...total TRUST in GOD -- the all-merciful -- and bowing down before the CROSS of her son and God's Son...only possible w/Holy Spirit.
Mary is not in Heaven. Nobody who has died has gone to Heaven except for Christ Himself.....John 3:13 " And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
@johnthreesixteen316 How absurd so heaven is empty, by this logic Christ sacrifice at the cross was in vain, so no one is in heaven but God. Thereby for the past 2000 years every soul is in Hell, how do you come to these idiotic conclusions.
@johnthreesixteen316 I am not your friend, YOUR interpretation of the Bible is absurd, not the Bible where did you earn your theology degree at the 7 -11,,,
@johnthreesixteen316 you misrepresent that verse in John 3 where Jesus is speaking to those on earth "none of which have gone to heaven" read the entire paragrah & you cannot claim she is dead, Mary is not dead as Jesus clearly stated in Mat 22:32 "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." absent from the body present with the Lord look that one up
@johnthreesixteen316 your chop up of John 3 is like me quoting directly from 1 Corinthians 15 "those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost" without showing that the paragraph shows the opposite, i am pretty sure misrepresetnting scripture is also "the work of the devil" as you call it
@johnthreesixteen316 I am not Catholic but I was profoundly transformed by the testimony of Rwandan genocide survivor Immaculee Ilibagiza, and finding out about the girls in Kibeho warning everyone to repent and the forsight of the rivers of blood that would be coming
2 Corinthinians.....14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
If you are not sure of something don't call it demonic right away because that's a sin calling Gods Spirit Satan. When Christ healed the people who were possessed what did the Jews say? They said he takes out the devil by the power of Satan? and Christ said All sins will be forgiven except blasphemy against Gods Spirit.
2. Again this miracle helped many Muslims and atheist convert to Christ. The Virgin Mary healed many , cured cancer and Satan never brings people 2 God.
@Pharaoh714 Thanks for the comment. There is something you don't understand. These apparitions are leading people to catholicism, not to Christ. The catholic 'Jesus' isn't the Jesus of the Bible. Catholicism is a false religion and isn't Biblical.
@johnthreesixteen316 Sorry but you are very mistaken.. These apperations have nothing to do with the Catholic church, This is the Coptic Orthodox Church. The Coptic Orthodox Church was founded by John Mark or AKA Saint Mark the Evangelist who wrote the gospel of St. Mark . It is your hatred of Catholics that you come here and attack us not knowing the difference. No the early church was not wrong at all they had the original faith and that was the Faith that Christ passed to the apostles..
@Pharaoh714 I don't hate catholics. I am trying to show catholics that salvation is through Christ alone and not the catholic church. The true church of Christ isn't catholic or protestant. It doesn't have a mailing address or a zip code. It doesn't have statues on the front lawn. The true church is made up of those whose names are written in the Book of Life from the very beginning. Christ knows who His friends are.
@johnthreesixteen316 I'm not Roman Catholic but I'm pretty sure Catholics believe that Salvation is only through Christ. And that is why the are considered Christian, because to be Christian is to believe that Christ is Lord and through Him we are saved. But anyways the Church is the Faith that was passed down by the Apostles to us, and it started by Simon Peters confession "You are the Christ the Son of God" .. And in my point of view to be a Church of Christ you must have the 7 sacraments.
@johnthreesixteen316 Also, you are not familiar with the early church, because they believed in Intercession of Saints and that all saints that pass away are alive in Christ. That's why Christ said in Matthiew 22 "'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob' ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Also keep in mind we don't worship Mary nor do we think she can forgive sins but we do believe that God works through His saints just like he works through us.
@Pharaoh714 When you mention an early church you must be speaking of a false church at that time. The Bible clearly says that Christ is our only intercessor, our only mediator. So, the members of this early false church you are refering to were mistaken when they believed that there is intercession through saints.
@johnthreesixteen316 I think throwing insults at the Mother of Jesus is a bad idea, sometimes I find protestants so blinded by there absolute hate for Catholics. You and rest of the bible thumpers lack one thing commanded by Christ that we have and that is compassion.
@Canisius19 Hello friend. I'm not throwing insults at Mary. The apparitions are not Mary. I'm am calling the apparitions for what they are....demonic. Mary has nothing to do with this.
It isn't Mary. Open your eyes please.....2 Corinthians 11.....13 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
Those "white or golden luminous doves,hovered around our lady at night.Flying at great heights & then suddenly,just disappeared" pictures r UFOs, fit within the UFO phenomenon & act just like the Orbs that have been filmed making cropcircles
This event is very accurate to many depictions of beings descending from the heavens [space],within the crux of all Afro-Middle Eastern Religion
If 1 has the capacity to let go of their limitations,Angles/Demons/ET's all fit under the same umbrella
@the26thhour No its not UFO's watch this video below. Do you research about early Christianity and seek God with all your heart and you will find Him.
cyouss09 why this place? this place is where she was been to with her son. for detail aske orthodox church for all your why....why.....then im sure you can find correct answer.
By definiton immortality means; deathless, everlasting, eternal, having no beginning or end, diety, divine. Jesus is divine. 1Tim6:14-16 says only God is immortal. Jesus was before the foundation of the world 1Pet1:20. Jesus said "Before Abraham was I AM" Jn8:58. Mary is mortal. She had a beginning and end. Shes dead and will be resurrected at the 2nd coming of Christ. Apparitions are deceptions. They are familiar spirits that impersonate the dead.
My response is that the Virgin Mary is supporting the Church and her Sacraments, which is how the very earliest Church who put the Bible together practiced. So how could support of the Sacraments (namely the Eucharist) be evil? if they attack our belief in Jesus' real presence in the Eucharist then point them to the words of St. Ignatius of Antioch on the matter (Google him), who was late 1st century/early 2nd century.
Well Chirst apperd to the origanal 12 Apostles, was he the AntiChrist? No, if he could apper to the first apostles his mother could appear to the rest of them.
Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
The virgin Mary did not preach a diffrent gospel , she bowed down to the cross of Christ, she healed many people and she brough many back to Christ.. No devil would ever dare do that, lest his kingdom is divided.
If good comes from it then it is good and I don't believe you are Catholic because you would know that apparitions are not dogma... you main concern is to spread hate.
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WARNING! These apparitions are real! But it is not Mary or anything from God. It is Satan or one of his angels disguising themselves as Angels of Light. It is a sign of the End as predicted by John. Get ready for the union of Church and State and FORCED Catholocism in the entire World. Do not fall for these tricks of Satan! The World will be threatened by a global disaster. These apparations WILL appear in the future telling us how to avoid it. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. Trust in Jesus! Email me!
1) Peace of the Lord Jesus Christ upon you, first of all yes these miracles did happened millions of people saw it including my dad. I also can understand that the devil can appear to many but this was not the case. The Virgin Mary did not do anything but stay silent and she bowed to the Cross , and she healed many with cancer, and made many Muslims convert to Christianity and accept Christ as their savior. (Cont)
2 ) This only happens through the works of the Holy Spirit and this Apparition is no devil but the Holy mother re-assuring us that God is real and she bowed down to him as we all should. This Miracle is a Divine, and if it was satanic it would of lead people away from Christ and it did not! Please do not speak bad about the miracles that God blessed us with. May God bestow his mercy upon you and forgive us all.
@Pharaoh714, you obviously have no rationality, since you're assuming that this is supernatural. Give me one piece of evidence contrary to the popular view that the "apparitions" were a hoax, and were created through photo manipulation. Not only that, all the pictures came from ONE source, one person. Sounds kind of fishy now eh?
I dont care what you believe , this was an actual miracle for me! She cured lots of people one which was a lady that had cancer and another was a mute person. Many people saw her including my dad with his own eyes.. I honestly can care less if you believe it or not , you can think God is a hoax and Christs miracles were hoax too for all I care, that is your choice.
@Pharaoh714, You're exhibiting the typical ignorance and denial that christians often use in self defense of their beliefs. As far as science is concerned and can show to us, no lady was ever magically cured of cancer. In fact, all of these events can easily be faked. The fact of the matter is that you DON'T know the truth about these sightings or what they are any more than I do, so how can you then profess to really know? Also, why believe in it if you don't really know it? Seems ignorant..
Actually the cancer miracle is documented and doctors said they dont know how she was cured but they didnt say the Virgin Mary cured her! Anyways no one forced you to believe in it, if you dont want to believe in God thats your choice it is not my loss. And you can think I am ignorant and stupid all you want too. Like God said if You want to find me you will find me in your Heart , you will never find God the way you are trying to find him and never will. Have a good day.
What I mean to say overall is this; using people's experiences and beliefs with as a basis for your own beliefs just doesn't seem rational. To me it's like the whole Mormon thing and Joseph Smith, the man whom people believed had talked to god, but could never prove.If you think that belief in Smith is pretty silly, then you'll probably agree with me on why I don't accept other people's experiences as a basis for faith or belief. I prefer to check up on my own.
@jedimasterham its been proven by 100's of thousands of people not only in egypt but ppl that came from all over the world to see her and did.... maybe thats enough evidence for you mate
dont hatte it , apreciate it ,, nah but seriously my dad was there and witness it first hand for himself im from Australia
how many cameras / video-cams were present among the Egyptian audiences ? i dont know, but i doubt i would be snapping photos during an episode such as these. one thing i do know, "supernatural" events exceed this world. by definition, our reality is not built for the Heavenly, but just Man who dwells here (briefly). just as this world has no hold or existence in the next life.
@stybarrow, first of all, scientifically speaking, there's no actual evidence for what you call the "supernatural", nor any of heaven or a next life. It's all mere speculation on our parts, nothing more. However, if you profess something over the realm of possibilities, you're psychotic.
you will never prove the supernatural thru scientific methods. i mean, do you think God is going to appear at Jet Propulsion Lab and get measured ? is Gabriel going to visit Oracle and discuss how divine knowledge can be retained without mass or energy ? maybe Michael could expand on Heaven being outside of Time ? if you are so linear as to only believe what can be weighed / predicted by Man, then its simple life for you.
Well here's the problem, without scientific methods, meaning logic and evidence and process of elimination, etc, you -and I mean you as an individual- cannot prove the supernatural.. If you can't prove it, then your belief in it isn't valid. If you're so irrational as to only believe what cannot be weighed, then it's a simple -though ignorant- like for whoever lives it.
no, the problem would be people living according to your view, centuries ago, in a world defined by the measurements at hand. so in the 16th century, there would be no germs, right ? in the 17th century, no atoms ? only an obstinate (fool) would argue present day science has a handle on how the universe operates ! if you do, check mate; you are a low IQ / high Agnostic.
@Pharaoh714 These apparitions are leading people away from the truth which is in Christ alone. Compare these demonic messages with the Bible and the truth shall set you free. May God bestow His mercy upon you and forgive you for not keeping yourself Biblically informed.
@johnthreesixteen316 question does your narrow minded view of the bible prevent you from believing that God can perform works and miracles not mentioned in the Bible. If so why, do you think God has limited himself to only what is mentioned in the Bible if so why. If that is true that God IS NOT all powerful if he has only limited himself to what is mentioned in the Bible. Get it through your head, God presents himself in ways you cannot explain in the Bible
@Canisius19 Hello friend. I didn't say God doesn't perform miracles outside of the Bible. I'm just saying that these apparitions are not 'Mary' and are not from God. These apparitions are nothing more than this.....2 Corinthians.....14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
Yes...God can perform miracles...I didn't have any toilette paper and I picked up this book called the bible and now I magically have toilette paper...I'm up to the rather terrible book of Luke and possibly with Taco night coming up maybe I can start John.
No, you gave citation information. From my research I could not find one person who had ever seen the orginal document or a copy of it. And you did not give the context, you gave a sentence or two, which is hardly context. There is a pretty good refutation of most of it at the end of a thread on the forums at catholic dottt comm. Do a search for "Cities Petrus Bertanous" on there.
For some reason Youtube won't let me post my reply. I'll try again at a later time. Suffice to say, those quotes have never been provided in a primary source or put in proper context.
If ANY of those things were true then I would be very worried and would probably leave the Church, but as they are blown WAY out of proportion, I am not so worried. Perhaps you should read about the history of the early Church Fathers as I suggested prior. I am very confident you will change your mind at least about Catholic Sacraments if you do so. It's common ground we can come together on given it's early Christianity immediately following the Apostles. Every Christian should be read up on it
Are you really that comfortable with such an absurd view of Catholicism? It's intellectual laziness and insecurity plain and simple. If you weren't so arrogant you would take the time to address our best arguments instead of propping up ridiculous straw men. So much for not casting the first stone, and, on another level, being able to back them up.
wintersdemise said it better than I could, see his follow comments. Also, read the Ante-Nicene Fathers, I think you will be surprised at how important Tradition really is. They can be found for free online. If you want to hear about them second hand by converts to the Catholic Church, I highly suggest searching YouTube for episodes of The Journey Home. All of them are about converts to the Catholic Church and why they did so. You need to address the biggest arguments and not straw men.
"For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed".
First of all, your assumption is extremely unlikely given:
1) Jesus lost tons of followers after He said that, which is indicative that they were completely shocked at His saying they would literally have to comsume His body and blood. Why would they walk away if He was merely being figurative? (See John 6:67),
and 2) The early Church Fathers believed in Jesus' body, blood, soul, and divinity in the Eucharist.
Who said anything about worshiping Mary? No informed Catholic does that. All these apparitions do is lead one to Jesus. For example, at Garabandal Mary told four peasant girls to think about the passion of Jesus, to receive the Eucharist frequently, and to pray for priests who are on the road to perdition. How is that against Jesus?
Glf453: One place we'd disagree is that the text of the bible is the sole source of belief. I say this not to besmirch my Protestant brothers, but to point out something that you overlook: it's uncommon for a Protestant church to maintain a central teaching authority, while the Catholic church has maintained one for 2000 years. You have an incorrect impression that Catholicism is ad hoc, when the opposite is true. And equating Rome with the Anti-Christ does a real disservice to the Gospel.
....in revelation there are two women presented....the Whore who rides the seven headed beast...and the women clothed in the sun...the whore presents a false church that controls a kingdom that is situated on seven hills....so tell me...where in history do we see a religion seated on a seven hilled city that controls(ed) a kingdom...
i guess a demon has to come out of a firey pit and kill thousands of people to be a demon? im very sure that a more intelligent being would use cunning and desguise........like an apparition of mary
WOW you need to open that big dusty book you have at your house called THE HOLY BIBLE because apparently you have never read a word in it....go read JOB 1 and tell me that a church is too holy for satan to appear on....
Sure unholy beings can enter a Catholic church just as easy as a Protestant church, but Christ also said his church would never fall. After 2000 years, the Catholic or "Universal" church still survives while Protestants start new sects when they don't agree with the way the Bible is being interpreted, so they start the 2nd baptist or 3rd baptist and so on. We don't take one verse and put it with another verse from a different book to make it look like God is saying something he is not.
Perhaps you should read the Book of Luke in the NEW Testament, not an Old Testament book. God gave Mary a special role. He saved her from all sin (Luke 1:28, 47), made her uniquely blessed among all women (Luke 1:42), and made her a model for all Christians (Luke 1:48). At the end of her life he took her, body and soul, into heaven—an image of our own resurrection at the end of the world (Rev. 12:1--2).
Mary was special, she was the mother of Jesus, and she was blessed among women. but she does not deserve the worship that is given to her from your "faith". and where does it say she was taken body and soul into heaven.....
Again, I , nor many Catholics I know do not worship Mary. We honor her and respect her. As far as her ascension---At the end of her life he took her, body and soul, into heaven—an image of our own resurrection at the end of the world (Rev. 12:1--2)
listen man...all im trying to show you is that there is too much adoration of mary that it steals attention from Jesus Christ...there is only one way to God thats Jesus. i dont want to argue with you b ut id rather compare our beliefs.....
I would disagree. All Catholics know the way to salvation is through Christ and Christ alone, but we feel the need to honor his mother who went through so much as a Human being giving birth to the Savior of the world.
first revelation 12 is figurative....i know this because everything else in revelation is...the seven headed beast, lampstands, and the others are symbols for what is to come....and why would mary need to flee into the wilderness like it says in verse 6 of chapter 12
heres something else to think about...read the very next chapter....it paints a perfect picture of the Catholic church....drunken with the blood of the martys of JESUS CHRIST
See if we could have a discussion without you being so biased against Catholics we might get somewhere. The Church was started at the time of Christ and its the only one who can say that. I like to believe the next chapter speaks of the Protestants. Why did she flee into the wilderness? To protect Jesus! Its' talking about her at the time of Christs birth. Peter called Jesus the son of Mary, not the Son of Joseph. Why would he do that? Because he knew she was a holy woman.
why would revelation speak of her fleeing and protecting Jesus.....It is symbolic of the end time church that is persecuted by the antichrist. since the Bible is not of private interpretation....(2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.)and the Bible interperates its own symbols you will see that a women is the symbol for a church
1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe; they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons.
2 These teachers are hypocrites and liars. They pretend to be religious, but their consciences are dead.
3 They will say it's wrong to be married & wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten w/ thanksgiving by people who know and believe the truth.
Mark, chapter 3. Christ was accused of casting demons out by the power of Satan, he replies (depending on the translation) saying ""How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand...And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand." Just keep that in mind and think, why would a Demon create an apparition like this? What's Satan to gain?
he is to gain all the simple minded people who dont know what the Bible says about Satan and his angels and how they decieve if possible the very elect and transform themselves into an angel of light. so creating an illusion of an angel or mary and thus deceiving millions is what he has to gain.
You know what you just proved the point i want to make.....it puts all the focus away from where it should be...Jesus...The ONLY one who can save you...not Mary.....shes human...
She was more than human, she gave birth to the savior of the world, so she is more than just a human and deserves to be honored for that. Jesus is always above all.
We ask her to pray for us as you would ask someone at church to do for a sick family member or whatever. There is no form of Worship of Mary in the Catholic church. If thats what you think, then you are sadly mistaken.
Please take this into consideration my friend,show me one place in the BIble where it says to pray to Mary...in fact it says not to associate with familiar spirits, and you dont need Mary to pray to you, you have the only mediator between God and man and thats the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that youll see the truth.
Haven't we had this discussion already? We DO NOT WORSHIP MARY!!! Do you ever ask a friend or a family member to pray for you or someone else? That's what we ask Mary to do for us. She is the mother of Christ, sorry you don't understand that.
Mary is dead...along with every human that has died...except Jesus Christ....tell me this ... would it be wrong to ask my dead grandma to pray for me???
Where does it say Mary Died? Do you know she died and wasn't taken from the earth by God when she was alive? St.Peter taught that Mary ascended into heaven like Christ.Why do you have such a dislike for the Mother of Christ? There is no worship of her going on, despite what you want to believe. Where do you think your church came from? It came from the Catholic church just as all the other Protestant churches which are off shoots from the church.
you are not you can't even spell it....this stuff happens man wake up and smell the coffee.......don't think you are anything because every one i mean everyone saw that....any type....so either you were blind or just nothing so i think you are just nothing..
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.(Mat 24:24) I believe these Marian apparitions are spurious signs being used by the devil to promote goddess (Queen of Heaven) worship and to work toward uniting all of the religions of the world. They do not draw men to Christ, they exalt Mary. "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1Ti 2:5
I think Islam has nothing to do here and no need to bring it here, if you want to listen that its real and that makes you happy, ok, its real,But if you wanna think, think, make your mind, finally, if its not Real, it dsnet mean there is something worng with chertianity. or good with Islam or jodism , we are very materialstic and speaking about possible and no possible regardless the names or religions! we are discussing a phenomena,
no you mole nobody did nothing why coz the islams tuned off all the power no one could get to power and they did there invist and found nothing but for it to be true..........
right dave why the virgin comes only at night coz she is the liht now will the light ,light up in day time in sunlight dont think so dont no how you will see her but in the dark she is like the sun bright as ever no yet but the virgin will take soon coz if she did we would all be christians time will tell that being a christian is the right way............
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JESUS CHRIST IS A MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND GOD THE FATHER AND ST MARY IS MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND HER SON-CHRIST CONFIRMED BY VISIONARIES FOR 2000 YEARS.
GOD WANTS FAMILY NOT ROBOTS AND ALLOWS ST MARY AND ALL SAINTS AND ANGELS to HELP US!
SHE IS OUR MOTHER IN CHRIST AND BLESSED BY ALL GENERATIONS
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:1-17-LADY OF GUADALUPE
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To all the Protestants, please explain to me why every angelic appartition is demonic? Didnt God and Jesus use angels to do good? Why wouldnt he do so again? I'll stay with "judge ye by his fruits" and frankly your fruit oh disruptor of good works is rotten. Christ entered the world through a woman and he will come again by a woman... You miss out on so much by your ignorance.
BOOBALASDADA 1 year ago
Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these DECEIVERS and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to signs that were so evident and did so plainly foretell their future desolation; but like men infatuated without either eyes to see, or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that G-d made to them. "Josephus Flavus"
strive4PRIZE 1 year ago
The Theotokos --the God-bearer-- bringing a message of peace & harmony to ALL, regardless of religious beliefs. She appeared to Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims, Jews and non-believers alike, with motherly love. She is the messenger & the message in one, for she actually LIVED and LIVES [we believe in the resurrection thanks to Jesus Christ] the message in herself...total TRUST in GOD -- the all-merciful -- and bowing down before the CROSS of her son and God's Son...only possible w/Holy Spirit.
TheOrlandoCatholic 1 year ago
THEOTOKOS THE MOTHER OF GOD, HAPPY ST. MARY'S FEAST! :)
jazzician12 1 year ago 3
Mary is not in Heaven. Nobody who has died has gone to Heaven except for Christ Himself.....John 3:13 " And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 How absurd so heaven is empty, by this logic Christ sacrifice at the cross was in vain, so no one is in heaven but God. Thereby for the past 2000 years every soul is in Hell, how do you come to these idiotic conclusions.
Canisius19 1 year ago
@Canisius19 Well friend, I guess the bible is absurd then.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 I am not your friend, YOUR interpretation of the Bible is absurd, not the Bible where did you earn your theology degree at the 7 -11,,,
Canisius19 1 year ago
@Canisius19
1. Everyone bitches and complains, oh he died on the cross. What about the other hundreds of more important assholes who did?
AngryPigFetus 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 you misrepresent that verse in John 3 where Jesus is speaking to those on earth "none of which have gone to heaven" read the entire paragrah & you cannot claim she is dead, Mary is not dead as Jesus clearly stated in Mat 22:32 "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." absent from the body present with the Lord look that one up
AmmorMagnusDoctorEst 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 your chop up of John 3 is like me quoting directly from 1 Corinthians 15 "those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost" without showing that the paragraph shows the opposite, i am pretty sure misrepresetnting scripture is also "the work of the devil" as you call it
AmmorMagnusDoctorEst 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 I am not Catholic but I was profoundly transformed by the testimony of Rwandan genocide survivor Immaculee Ilibagiza, and finding out about the girls in Kibeho warning everyone to repent and the forsight of the rivers of blood that would be coming
AmmorMagnusDoctorEst 1 year ago 2
2 Corinthinians.....14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316
If you are not sure of something don't call it demonic right away because that's a sin calling Gods Spirit Satan. When Christ healed the people who were possessed what did the Jews say? They said he takes out the devil by the power of Satan? and Christ said All sins will be forgiven except blasphemy against Gods Spirit.
2. Again this miracle helped many Muslims and atheist convert to Christ. The Virgin Mary healed many , cured cancer and Satan never brings people 2 God.
Pharaoh714 1 year ago
@Pharaoh714 Thanks for the comment. There is something you don't understand. These apparitions are leading people to catholicism, not to Christ. The catholic 'Jesus' isn't the Jesus of the Bible. Catholicism is a false religion and isn't Biblical.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Sorry but you are very mistaken.. These apperations have nothing to do with the Catholic church, This is the Coptic Orthodox Church. The Coptic Orthodox Church was founded by John Mark or AKA Saint Mark the Evangelist who wrote the gospel of St. Mark . It is your hatred of Catholics that you come here and attack us not knowing the difference. No the early church was not wrong at all they had the original faith and that was the Faith that Christ passed to the apostles..
Pharaoh714 1 year ago
@Pharaoh714 I don't hate catholics. I am trying to show catholics that salvation is through Christ alone and not the catholic church. The true church of Christ isn't catholic or protestant. It doesn't have a mailing address or a zip code. It doesn't have statues on the front lawn. The true church is made up of those whose names are written in the Book of Life from the very beginning. Christ knows who His friends are.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 I'm not Roman Catholic but I'm pretty sure Catholics believe that Salvation is only through Christ. And that is why the are considered Christian, because to be Christian is to believe that Christ is Lord and through Him we are saved. But anyways the Church is the Faith that was passed down by the Apostles to us, and it started by Simon Peters confession "You are the Christ the Son of God" .. And in my point of view to be a Church of Christ you must have the 7 sacraments.
Pharaoh714 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Also, you are not familiar with the early church, because they believed in Intercession of Saints and that all saints that pass away are alive in Christ. That's why Christ said in Matthiew 22 "'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob' ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Also keep in mind we don't worship Mary nor do we think she can forgive sins but we do believe that God works through His saints just like he works through us.
Pharaoh714 1 year ago
@Pharaoh714 When you mention an early church you must be speaking of a false church at that time. The Bible clearly says that Christ is our only intercessor, our only mediator. So, the members of this early false church you are refering to were mistaken when they believed that there is intercession through saints.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 I think throwing insults at the Mother of Jesus is a bad idea, sometimes I find protestants so blinded by there absolute hate for Catholics. You and rest of the bible thumpers lack one thing commanded by Christ that we have and that is compassion.
Canisius19 1 year ago
@Canisius19 Hello friend. I'm not throwing insults at Mary. The apparitions are not Mary. I'm am calling the apparitions for what they are....demonic. Mary has nothing to do with this.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
These apparitions are not the 'work of God'. They are demonic in origin. The same lying "Queen of Heaven" mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah 7.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
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It isn't Mary. Open your eyes please.....2 Corinthians 11.....13 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
Those "white or golden luminous doves,hovered around our lady at night.Flying at great heights & then suddenly,just disappeared" pictures r UFOs, fit within the UFO phenomenon & act just like the Orbs that have been filmed making cropcircles
This event is very accurate to many depictions of beings descending from the heavens [space],within the crux of all Afro-Middle Eastern Religion
If 1 has the capacity to let go of their limitations,Angles/Demons/ET's all fit under the same umbrella
the26thhour 2 years ago
@the26thhour No its not UFO's watch this video below. Do you research about early Christianity and seek God with all your heart and you will find Him.
/watch?v=6WwV9GhPcGs
Pharaoh714 1 year ago
@Pharaoh
Thanks but if u did ur research, u'd know that all Christianity derives from an even earlier story of what we now call Divine ETs & UFOs
Thanks for the vid of lights over a church but I don't need to go out & search for something that has not & can not, ever leave me
For as Christian belief states, God is all things, so why does God need go out & look for itself?
I volintarly joined the Church at 6yrs of age... then I woke up
Have a nice day
the26thhour 1 year ago
cyouss09 why this place? this place is where she was been to with her son. for detail aske orthodox church for all your why....why.....then im sure you can find correct answer.
mariamdengel 2 years ago
ye i know y lool i was trying to prove a point!!!
cyouss09 2 years ago
YES Virgin Mary is all of us mother and she give us forgivenss from her son(God)
mariamdengel 2 years ago
By definiton immortality means; deathless, everlasting, eternal, having no beginning or end, diety, divine. Jesus is divine. 1Tim6:14-16 says only God is immortal. Jesus was before the foundation of the world 1Pet1:20. Jesus said "Before Abraham was I AM" Jn8:58. Mary is mortal. She had a beginning and end. Shes dead and will be resurrected at the 2nd coming of Christ. Apparitions are deceptions. They are familiar spirits that impersonate the dead.
Thank you
potooth 2 years ago
holy mary pray for me naan anna thana ammayuda vimala hridayathinnu prathishttikkunnuu ave maria
rinopjoseph06 2 years ago
how do we defend our faith against this new propaganda that Mary of the Apparitions is the antichrist?
They even have prophecies in the Bible pointing to the apparitions as Antichrist.
Please visit rev1911dotwebsdotcom
I hope you can help me and other Catholics in this.
They are spreading it fast and it is very threatening.
plank2n 2 years ago
My response is that the Virgin Mary is supporting the Church and her Sacraments, which is how the very earliest Church who put the Bible together practiced. So how could support of the Sacraments (namely the Eucharist) be evil? if they attack our belief in Jesus' real presence in the Eucharist then point them to the words of St. Ignatius of Antioch on the matter (Google him), who was late 1st century/early 2nd century.
Whorsquini 2 years ago
Well Chirst apperd to the origanal 12 Apostles, was he the AntiChrist? No, if he could apper to the first apostles his mother could appear to the rest of them.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
The virgin Mary did not preach a diffrent gospel , she bowed down to the cross of Christ, she healed many people and she brough many back to Christ.. No devil would ever dare do that, lest his kingdom is divided.
Pharaoh714 2 years ago
So, infact you imply that Chirst is the Anti-Christ, beacuse he appperd to the Apostles.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
plank2n
If good comes from it then it is good and I don't believe you are Catholic because you would know that apparitions are not dogma... you main concern is to spread hate.
atumbleweeding 2 years ago
my father saw that
there was no tricks because it was 1968
there was hardly electricity in zeitun in that
year
samuelsam4 2 years ago
awesome
ScaryIntentions 2 years ago
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WARNING! These apparitions are real! But it is not Mary or anything from God. It is Satan or one of his angels disguising themselves as Angels of Light. It is a sign of the End as predicted by John. Get ready for the union of Church and State and FORCED Catholocism in the entire World. Do not fall for these tricks of Satan! The World will be threatened by a global disaster. These apparations WILL appear in the future telling us how to avoid it. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. Trust in Jesus! Email me!
EndProphecy 2 years ago
1) Peace of the Lord Jesus Christ upon you, first of all yes these miracles did happened millions of people saw it including my dad. I also can understand that the devil can appear to many but this was not the case. The Virgin Mary did not do anything but stay silent and she bowed to the Cross , and she healed many with cancer, and made many Muslims convert to Christianity and accept Christ as their savior. (Cont)
Pharaoh714 2 years ago 3
2 ) This only happens through the works of the Holy Spirit and this Apparition is no devil but the Holy mother re-assuring us that God is real and she bowed down to him as we all should. This Miracle is a Divine, and if it was satanic it would of lead people away from Christ and it did not! Please do not speak bad about the miracles that God blessed us with. May God bestow his mercy upon you and forgive us all.
Pharaoh714 2 years ago 16
@Pharaoh714, you obviously have no rationality, since you're assuming that this is supernatural. Give me one piece of evidence contrary to the popular view that the "apparitions" were a hoax, and were created through photo manipulation. Not only that, all the pictures came from ONE source, one person. Sounds kind of fishy now eh?
jedimasterham 2 years ago
@jedimasterham
I dont care what you believe , this was an actual miracle for me! She cured lots of people one which was a lady that had cancer and another was a mute person. Many people saw her including my dad with his own eyes.. I honestly can care less if you believe it or not , you can think God is a hoax and Christs miracles were hoax too for all I care, that is your choice.
Pharaoh714 2 years ago
@Pharaoh714, You're exhibiting the typical ignorance and denial that christians often use in self defense of their beliefs. As far as science is concerned and can show to us, no lady was ever magically cured of cancer. In fact, all of these events can easily be faked. The fact of the matter is that you DON'T know the truth about these sightings or what they are any more than I do, so how can you then profess to really know? Also, why believe in it if you don't really know it? Seems ignorant..
jedimasterham 2 years ago
@jedimasterham
Actually the cancer miracle is documented and doctors said they dont know how she was cured but they didnt say the Virgin Mary cured her! Anyways no one forced you to believe in it, if you dont want to believe in God thats your choice it is not my loss. And you can think I am ignorant and stupid all you want too. Like God said if You want to find me you will find me in your Heart , you will never find God the way you are trying to find him and never will. Have a good day.
Pharaoh714 2 years ago
@Pharaoh714
What I mean to say overall is this; using people's experiences and beliefs with as a basis for your own beliefs just doesn't seem rational. To me it's like the whole Mormon thing and Joseph Smith, the man whom people believed had talked to god, but could never prove.If you think that belief in Smith is pretty silly, then you'll probably agree with me on why I don't accept other people's experiences as a basis for faith or belief. I prefer to check up on my own.
jedimasterham 2 years ago
@jedimasterham
have u ever wondered why ? why she apeared? why this year? thy this place?
look it up be4 u deny it mate
cyouss09 2 years ago
@cyouss09, prove it before you believe it, then we can talk about the Why.
jedimasterham 2 years ago
@jedimasterham its been proven by 100's of thousands of people not only in egypt but ppl that came from all over the world to see her and did.... maybe thats enough evidence for you mate
dont hatte it , apreciate it ,, nah but seriously my dad was there and witness it first hand for himself im from Australia
cyouss09 2 years ago
how many cameras / video-cams were present among the Egyptian audiences ? i dont know, but i doubt i would be snapping photos during an episode such as these. one thing i do know, "supernatural" events exceed this world. by definition, our reality is not built for the Heavenly, but just Man who dwells here (briefly). just as this world has no hold or existence in the next life.
stybarrow 2 years ago
@stybarrow, first of all, scientifically speaking, there's no actual evidence for what you call the "supernatural", nor any of heaven or a next life. It's all mere speculation on our parts, nothing more. However, if you profess something over the realm of possibilities, you're psychotic.
jedimasterham 2 years ago
you will never prove the supernatural thru scientific methods. i mean, do you think God is going to appear at Jet Propulsion Lab and get measured ? is Gabriel going to visit Oracle and discuss how divine knowledge can be retained without mass or energy ? maybe Michael could expand on Heaven being outside of Time ? if you are so linear as to only believe what can be weighed / predicted by Man, then its simple life for you.
stybarrow 2 years ago
@stybarrow
Well here's the problem, without scientific methods, meaning logic and evidence and process of elimination, etc, you -and I mean you as an individual- cannot prove the supernatural.. If you can't prove it, then your belief in it isn't valid. If you're so irrational as to only believe what cannot be weighed, then it's a simple -though ignorant- like for whoever lives it.
jedimasterham 2 years ago
no, the problem would be people living according to your view, centuries ago, in a world defined by the measurements at hand. so in the 16th century, there would be no germs, right ? in the 17th century, no atoms ? only an obstinate (fool) would argue present day science has a handle on how the universe operates ! if you do, check mate; you are a low IQ / high Agnostic.
stybarrow 2 years ago
@Pharaoh714 These apparitions are leading people away from the truth which is in Christ alone. Compare these demonic messages with the Bible and the truth shall set you free. May God bestow His mercy upon you and forgive you for not keeping yourself Biblically informed.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 question does your narrow minded view of the bible prevent you from believing that God can perform works and miracles not mentioned in the Bible. If so why, do you think God has limited himself to only what is mentioned in the Bible if so why. If that is true that God IS NOT all powerful if he has only limited himself to what is mentioned in the Bible. Get it through your head, God presents himself in ways you cannot explain in the Bible
Canisius19 1 year ago
@Canisius19 Hello friend. I didn't say God doesn't perform miracles outside of the Bible. I'm just saying that these apparitions are not 'Mary' and are not from God. These apparitions are nothing more than this.....2 Corinthians.....14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@Canisius19
Yes...God can perform miracles...I didn't have any toilette paper and I picked up this book called the bible and now I magically have toilette paper...I'm up to the rather terrible book of Luke and possibly with Taco night coming up maybe I can start John.
AngryPigFetus 1 year ago
I have been to Zeitun and met a Mulim man who had seen the original apparitions. All he would say was that it was "a beautiful supernatural thing."
Motherdiva 2 years ago
No, you gave citation information. From my research I could not find one person who had ever seen the orginal document or a copy of it. And you did not give the context, you gave a sentence or two, which is hardly context. There is a pretty good refutation of most of it at the end of a thread on the forums at catholic dottt comm. Do a search for "Cities Petrus Bertanous" on there.
Whorsquini 2 years ago
For some reason Youtube won't let me post my reply. I'll try again at a later time. Suffice to say, those quotes have never been provided in a primary source or put in proper context.
Whorsquini 2 years ago
If ANY of those things were true then I would be very worried and would probably leave the Church, but as they are blown WAY out of proportion, I am not so worried. Perhaps you should read about the history of the early Church Fathers as I suggested prior. I am very confident you will change your mind at least about Catholic Sacraments if you do so. It's common ground we can come together on given it's early Christianity immediately following the Apostles. Every Christian should be read up on it
Whorsquini 2 years ago
Are you really that comfortable with such an absurd view of Catholicism? It's intellectual laziness and insecurity plain and simple. If you weren't so arrogant you would take the time to address our best arguments instead of propping up ridiculous straw men. So much for not casting the first stone, and, on another level, being able to back them up.
Whorsquini 2 years ago
wintersdemise said it better than I could, see his follow comments. Also, read the Ante-Nicene Fathers, I think you will be surprised at how important Tradition really is. They can be found for free online. If you want to hear about them second hand by converts to the Catholic Church, I highly suggest searching YouTube for episodes of The Journey Home. All of them are about converts to the Catholic Church and why they did so. You need to address the biggest arguments and not straw men.
Whorsquini 2 years ago
And the reason so many left and the early Church Fathers believed otherwise?
Whorsquini 2 years ago
John 6:56
"For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed".
First of all, your assumption is extremely unlikely given:
1) Jesus lost tons of followers after He said that, which is indicative that they were completely shocked at His saying they would literally have to comsume His body and blood. Why would they walk away if He was merely being figurative? (See John 6:67),
and 2) The early Church Fathers believed in Jesus' body, blood, soul, and divinity in the Eucharist.
Whorsquini 2 years ago
Who said anything about worshiping Mary? No informed Catholic does that. All these apparitions do is lead one to Jesus. For example, at Garabandal Mary told four peasant girls to think about the passion of Jesus, to receive the Eucharist frequently, and to pray for priests who are on the road to perdition. How is that against Jesus?
Whorsquini 2 years ago
Upon what fruits of this supernatural event do you base that radical statement? Jesus did tell us to judge fruits after all.
Whorsquini 2 years ago
Without the Catholics, the protestants and" born again Christians " will not have a bible to speak of.
So please stop bashing the Catholic Church.
edurne1 2 years ago 4
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Zeitun = Mass Hysteria. Case closed.
goebels99 3 years ago
Zeitun =/= Mass Hysteria. Case closed.
You have to present evidence to back up your claims, or else they're just ramblings. So, evidence please?
CircusofPython 3 years ago
I haven't seen much mass hysteria that has been photographed.
toucansam3 3 years ago
This a Coptic Orthodox Church not Catholic Church. In the Coptic Orthodox Church, they have Popes. These are not the same Pope in Rome.
mannyfit75 3 years ago
This is nit Mirian Ben Iuda because she didnt know pope and not the Holy Spirit because she dont know bible!
flayrton 3 years ago
Glf453: One place we'd disagree is that the text of the bible is the sole source of belief. I say this not to besmirch my Protestant brothers, but to point out something that you overlook: it's uncommon for a Protestant church to maintain a central teaching authority, while the Catholic church has maintained one for 2000 years. You have an incorrect impression that Catholicism is ad hoc, when the opposite is true. And equating Rome with the Anti-Christ does a real disservice to the Gospel.
goateeki 3 years ago
....in revelation there are two women presented....the Whore who rides the seven headed beast...and the women clothed in the sun...the whore presents a false church that controls a kingdom that is situated on seven hills....so tell me...where in history do we see a religion seated on a seven hilled city that controls(ed) a kingdom...
Glf453 3 years ago
Thanks for not denying you're anti catholic. Take care...
kcwlf29 3 years ago
i guess a demon has to come out of a firey pit and kill thousands of people to be a demon? im very sure that a more intelligent being would use cunning and desguise........like an apparition of mary
Glf453 3 years ago
no dought th devil could do that but he couldent do that on top of a church it would be to holy and ontop of stmarys aswell nowayy
PUNANIMASTER2204 3 years ago 3
WOW you need to open that big dusty book you have at your house called THE HOLY BIBLE because apparently you have never read a word in it....go read JOB 1 and tell me that a church is too holy for satan to appear on....
Glf453 3 years ago
Sure unholy beings can enter a Catholic church just as easy as a Protestant church, but Christ also said his church would never fall. After 2000 years, the Catholic or "Universal" church still survives while Protestants start new sects when they don't agree with the way the Bible is being interpreted, so they start the 2nd baptist or 3rd baptist and so on. We don't take one verse and put it with another verse from a different book to make it look like God is saying something he is not.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
Perhaps you should read the Book of Luke in the NEW Testament, not an Old Testament book. God gave Mary a special role. He saved her from all sin (Luke 1:28, 47), made her uniquely blessed among all women (Luke 1:42), and made her a model for all Christians (Luke 1:48). At the end of her life he took her, body and soul, into heaven—an image of our own resurrection at the end of the world (Rev. 12:1--2).
kcwlf29 3 years ago
Mary was special, she was the mother of Jesus, and she was blessed among women. but she does not deserve the worship that is given to her from your "faith". and where does it say she was taken body and soul into heaven.....
Glf453 3 years ago
Again, I , nor many Catholics I know do not worship Mary. We honor her and respect her. As far as her ascension---At the end of her life he took her, body and soul, into heaven—an image of our own resurrection at the end of the world (Rev. 12:1--2)
kcwlf29 3 years ago
listen man...all im trying to show you is that there is too much adoration of mary that it steals attention from Jesus Christ...there is only one way to God thats Jesus. i dont want to argue with you b ut id rather compare our beliefs.....
Glf453 3 years ago
I would disagree. All Catholics know the way to salvation is through Christ and Christ alone, but we feel the need to honor his mother who went through so much as a Human being giving birth to the Savior of the world.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
first revelation 12 is figurative....i know this because everything else in revelation is...the seven headed beast, lampstands, and the others are symbols for what is to come....and why would mary need to flee into the wilderness like it says in verse 6 of chapter 12
heres something else to think about...read the very next chapter....it paints a perfect picture of the Catholic church....drunken with the blood of the martys of JESUS CHRIST
Glf453 3 years ago
See if we could have a discussion without you being so biased against Catholics we might get somewhere. The Church was started at the time of Christ and its the only one who can say that. I like to believe the next chapter speaks of the Protestants. Why did she flee into the wilderness? To protect Jesus! Its' talking about her at the time of Christs birth. Peter called Jesus the son of Mary, not the Son of Joseph. Why would he do that? Because he knew she was a holy woman.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
why would revelation speak of her fleeing and protecting Jesus.....It is symbolic of the end time church that is persecuted by the antichrist. since the Bible is not of private interpretation....(2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.)and the Bible interperates its own symbols you will see that a women is the symbol for a church
Glf453 3 years ago
Yes and Christ calls his church his bride.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
ya i just said that
dragonowns2 3 years ago
1 TIMOTHY 4: WARNING AGAINST FALSE TEACHERS
1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe; they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons.
2 These teachers are hypocrites and liars. They pretend to be religious, but their consciences are dead.
3 They will say it's wrong to be married & wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten w/ thanksgiving by people who know and believe the truth.
roygueta 3 years ago
Yes, the false teachings of these offshoot strip mall type churches.
kcwlf29 3 years ago 4
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Its not mary...its a demon...2 Cor 11:13-14 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light
Glf453 4 years ago
Mark, chapter 3. Christ was accused of casting demons out by the power of Satan, he replies (depending on the translation) saying ""How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand...And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand." Just keep that in mind and think, why would a Demon create an apparition like this? What's Satan to gain?
kcwlf29 3 years ago
he is to gain all the simple minded people who dont know what the Bible says about Satan and his angels and how they decieve if possible the very elect and transform themselves into an angel of light. so creating an illusion of an angel or mary and thus deceiving millions is what he has to gain.
Glf453 3 years ago
so by making people believe God and Mary exists helps Satan??? Makes zero sense.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
You know what you just proved the point i want to make.....it puts all the focus away from where it should be...Jesus...The ONLY one who can save you...not Mary.....shes human...
Glf453 3 years ago
She was more than human, she gave birth to the savior of the world, so she is more than just a human and deserves to be honored for that. Jesus is always above all.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
ya she is blessed among women...not a perfect being
Glf453 3 years ago
Nope, only Christ was perfect, but Mary deserves to be honored for who she was and still is.The mother of Christ.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
So your telling me that she deserves to be prayed to??? and you cant say Catholics dont....
Glf453 3 years ago
We ask her to pray for us as you would ask someone at church to do for a sick family member or whatever. There is no form of Worship of Mary in the Catholic church. If thats what you think, then you are sadly mistaken.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
Please take this into consideration my friend,show me one place in the BIble where it says to pray to Mary...in fact it says not to associate with familiar spirits, and you dont need Mary to pray to you, you have the only mediator between God and man and thats the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that youll see the truth.
Glf453 3 years ago
Haven't we had this discussion already? We DO NOT WORSHIP MARY!!! Do you ever ask a friend or a family member to pray for you or someone else? That's what we ask Mary to do for us. She is the mother of Christ, sorry you don't understand that.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
Mary is dead...along with every human that has died...except Jesus Christ....tell me this ... would it be wrong to ask my dead grandma to pray for me???
Glf453 3 years ago
Where does it say Mary Died? Do you know she died and wasn't taken from the earth by God when she was alive? St.Peter taught that Mary ascended into heaven like Christ.Why do you have such a dislike for the Mother of Christ? There is no worship of her going on, despite what you want to believe. Where do you think your church came from? It came from the Catholic church just as all the other Protestant churches which are off shoots from the church.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
a i am coptic orthxod trust me stuff like this really dose happen man
PUNANIMASTER2204 4 years ago 2
you are not you can't even spell it....this stuff happens man wake up and smell the coffee.......don't think you are anything because every one i mean everyone saw that....any type....so either you were blind or just nothing so i think you are just nothing..
mavrik690 3 years ago
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.(Mat 24:24) I believe these Marian apparitions are spurious signs being used by the devil to promote goddess (Queen of Heaven) worship and to work toward uniting all of the religions of the world. They do not draw men to Christ, they exalt Mary. "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1Ti 2:5
Only Jesus saves.
boan000 4 years ago
Hey! Protestant, We Catholics don't need you....
grekito 4 years ago
Yes we are aware of that. Christ is the only way. We honor Mary, we do not worship her.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
I think Islam has nothing to do here and no need to bring it here, if you want to listen that its real and that makes you happy, ok, its real,But if you wanna think, think, make your mind, finally, if its not Real, it dsnet mean there is something worng with chertianity. or good with Islam or jodism , we are very materialstic and speaking about possible and no possible regardless the names or religions! we are discussing a phenomena,
you have a nice nick name.
chelates 4 years ago
the virgin is light shining so ever bright thats why she only appears in the night!!!!!
sexyblondebabiez 4 years ago
If People were waiting her to appear, and then she appeared, it means only its not true, , somebody did something guys.
chelates 4 years ago
no you mole nobody did nothing why coz the islams tuned off all the power no one could get to power and they did there invist and found nothing but for it to be true..........
sexyblondebabiez 4 years ago
///////How people can be non-believers is beyond me. ///////
I have many reasons, but since we're watching the Zeitun apparition I'll address it.
Don't you think it's suspicious that she appears only at night? This strongly suggests some type of laser or light trick.
Why didn't she speak to the crowd? A few words from her would have made it much harder for skeptics like me to dismiss this.
dave4248 4 years ago
right dave why the virgin comes only at night coz she is the liht now will the light ,light up in day time in sunlight dont think so dont no how you will see her but in the dark she is like the sun bright as ever no yet but the virgin will take soon coz if she did we would all be christians time will tell that being a christian is the right way............
sexyblondebabiez 4 years ago
Well being the Egyptian Government cut the power all across the country trying to stop it and still could not says a lot.
kcwlf29 3 years ago
I wish i was there to see holly mary.
SyphonFilter1 4 years ago
Blessed Virgin Mary, pray for us, the sinners, your non-innocent child.
danmarcovici12 4 years ago 2
I believe in Mary of Zeitun. Thanks to God for these miracles.
Univerrsalmind 4 years ago 2
Holy Theotokos, pray for our salvation. We want Heaven.
danmarcovici12 4 years ago
why dont you pray to the only one capable of saving you.....his name is JESUS
Glf453 3 years ago
We do.
kcwlf29 3 years ago