Sure ATLAS SHRUGGED was a BORING movie and the acting was LAME .... BUT the message it carried is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT !!!
That message is : that this world has only a FEW VERY TALENTED PEOPLE (the elites) ... and we must exempt them from taxes.... otherwise: if they leave us ... our economy will grind to a halt !!!!
The book was amazing. I haven't seen the movie because I really don't know if it could stand up to the book. It was one of the best books I've ever read. Just my opinion. (and here come the hate comments blah blah....)
@MrSuperneocon Okay, so you think you are extremely talented? The emperor has no cloth, however, he is convinced that he is wearing invisible cloths that only clever people can see!! YOU ARE THE EMPEROR!!
The book/movie does well demonstrate that when people work very hard to overcome government obstacles, government will pat itself on the back and create more obstacles.
@BlackFrontHeathen77 and you know this because you've seen it right? oh right i totally forgot you're a racist who thinks he's a critic who thinks he's seen things before they have been released. gtfo fag.
@TMzong Uhh are you stupid? Part one has been out for a while now and I have actually seen it. It was very bland and full of generalizations. The characters Taggart and Rearden are portrayed as if they are God's gift to the planet while the workers below them are portrayed as stupid and just getting in the way of all the great and wonderful things Taggart and Rearden want to give to the world. An intellectually dishonest book and novel to say the least.
I saw it too (never read the book). I agree with a lot of the movie was trying to say, but really felt like it was trying to force the message down our throats rather than allowing it to develop naturally with the storyline. Coupled with a cast of mediocre actors playing bland and unlikeable characters, and what you have is a good message being poorly told by a bad movie. I spent half the movie laughing and the other half groaning in pain.
@BlackFrontHeathen77 He's used to that kind of exposure. When you look up 'adult who still likes Ayn Rand' in the dictionary, sgapplebee's photo is front and center.
@BlackFrontHeathen77 He's not afraid to put himself out there. When you look up 'adult who still likes Ayn Rand' in the dictionary, sgapplebee's photo is front and center.
@BlackFrontHeathen77 I completely agree with you! MY GOD. Ayn Rand has no intellectual integrity. She simply sale books by telling people she came from Soviet Russia and how she like america much better. Her book is rip off of Animal Farm except WAYYYYY more biased.
As someone who loves talking about economics and political philosophy, I would just like to go on record and say that anyone who thinks it makes compelling blockbuster cinema is a MORON.
@bdf234 You mean that she may have received some benefits back from the insurance she was forced to pay for. Is that what you call a hypocrite these days?
@Solverwiz Yes, when you spend your life lambasting anyone who makes use of the social safety net as a "leech" and a "moocher" and a "parasite," only to make use of it yourself in a time of need, it makes you a fucking hypocrite.
It's no use. Liberals are either too STUPID to understand what hypocrisy is, or to IMMORAL to want to admit that, according to them, THEFT is perfectly acceptable if enough people vote for it.
I've watched this site for roughly a year now, and NOT ONE liberal has been intelligent enough to understand what hypocrisy means.
@sgapplebee So it's okay because she paid into it, yet anyone else who collects benefits after paying into them is nonetheless a "moocher." Quite the double standard, professor.
it failed. it all failed in reality. but we still do the same things, and it will fail again. Ayn Rand's philosophy is brilliant but it dosent work. power from the government is taken up by other governments and countries like china. Anarchy needs more pracitcal thought, could work, why not try it out?
@burnticeblues has it failed? Are you sure of that? She never mentions anarchy or lack of government or weakness. What it is about is the basic fundamental principle of government; Justice. A government is needed to provide justice, to provide property rights, to provide protection from foreign invaders. These are the basic services which benefit everyone and in which a sound government is formed upon. No-one can step up and claim that vacuum of vacated power if these things are still provided.
While everyone's arguing economics, people are forgetting that we are watching the trailer for a movie. A movie that is poorly written, poorly acted, poorly designed, and poorly conceived. Ayn Rand herself would have hated this piece of crap movie, and I wish her fans would stop blindly supporting this horrendous cheap-looking piece of crap, whose production values make 'Sharktopus" look like "Lord of the Rings".
99 percent had a refrigerator and stove, two-thirds had a plasma TV, a DVD player and access to cable or satellite, 43 percent were on the Internet, half had a video game system like PlayStation or Xbox. Three-fourths of the poor had a car or truck, nine in 10 a microwave, 80 percent had air conditioning.
Why would the film producers not set this back in the 1940s & 50s (when it was written)?. Back when Railroads and US manufactured Steel were a significant part of the economy. When this book was published there were no Japanese import cars in the U.S., so seeing Dagny in a Toyota is a little weird.
Of course it's the motivation behind the people abusing the system, but the system has been set-up to allow people to abuse it. When people are FORCED by their government to give money to people who are lttle more than human parasites, those human parasites develop a mentality of entitlement. If people were able to CHOOSE who they want to help (the philosophy of our governments founding documents), there wouldn't be so many human leeches sucking off the system.
Then why didn't that happen in the first hundred years of American history? At the turn of the 20th century, and without ANY government programs, The United States had the highest standard of living in the world (with the possible exception of Great Britain).
The 'War on Poverty' has been a COMPLETE failure because it has created an entitlement mentality in many Americans. Before this so-called "war" began, poverty was continually decreasing...cont...
...since it's inception, the poverty rate has remained the same.
It has also helped to destroy the American family (especially the black family).
Also, no matter what someone calls it (Welfare, egalitarianism, redistribution of wealth...etc.), it's still STEALING from one person in order to give to another. No one has the right to ANYTHING someone else is forced to give.
Morality is based on choice; choice is based on freedom; therefore, morality is based on freedom.
Simply read The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. The REASON we have a government is to protect the Rights of the individual. Which obviously means people are no allowed to kill other people.
As to people "starving to death", please give me some names of people who starved to death in America before our government became a nanny state.
And as to Taxes, if a tax isn't Constitutional, and goes against its intent, Americans shouldn't be forced to pay it.
I'm not sure what your point is with this post. What does it have to do with me asking you for some names of people who supposedely staved to death before the nanny state began? Do you have some names?
@babogatae Boardwalk empire, "...peeling back the layers of polite society to reveal a giddy shadow world of criminals and politicians collaborating..."
Sounds a bit like the book and much like the many players with their schemes going on today.
Despite some objections we saw this movie yesterday. I did not think it was at all as bad as the reviews. One thing I found revealing is people who did business needed “a man in washington.” The bad businesses need them more. This union starts really fouling things up. I found it strange that the “good” side only wants to make money and seems to like having affairs where the “bad” side like to talk and make rules. Not going to read the book but all said, I hope they make a part 2.
It never ceases to amaze me how people attempt to comment on things they have NO understandiing of. For Gods sake AT THE VERY LEAST know the characters!
John Golt is NOT Hank Rearden. And NEITHER ONE would be involved in the "slave trade". Rands ENTIRE political philosophy is BASED ON nobody being allowed to initiate force...period!
And what kind of idiot calls something a "cultish pseudo philosophy", but then admits to never reading it?!
@sgapplebee She's a hypocrite because she said Israel had the right to use force to get rid of Palestinians because they were quote "savages", she used the same reasoning to justify displacing and slaughtering native americans.
So the no force line you cultists peddle is bullshit, you can find the video of her admitting this on youtube with Phil Donahue
I find it amazing how many people have closed their minds to understanding this book. If slave trading was the best way to get money, would John Galt be a slave trader? Why or why not? The full and correct answer to that would summarize his philosophy.
@mustang607 there's a difference between understanding something and recognizing that it's cultish pseudo philosophy and never bothering to read it. i'm guilty of the latter, but most rand critics are of the former category.
Sorry about the last post, I thought you were someone else. However, perhaps when you grow up and get a JOB you'll understand why people get sick & tired of paying the bills of others.
In honor of Super Tuesday March 3rd&4th will be an "Atlas Shrugged - Liberty or Death" weekend. Spread the word. Plan you movie party now. We must change the current course of our nation. Rent or buy this movie. Tell everyone. "Liberty or Death" Weekend is coming. We are at a pivotal point in history and everyone needs to have their eyes open.
All of Ayn Rands political philosophy can be summed up in a single question:
Are the needs (or supposed needs) of one human being a mortgage on the freedom of another?
That's the ONLY question that needs to be answered because a government must either protect a citizens "Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", or a government must force one person to be another’s keeper (from each according to his ability to each according to his need". It MUST be one or the other…Period!
@sgapplebee I remember reading Atlas Shrugged back in high school I remember the time Dangny Taggart and Hank Rearden were about to have sex. I remember Dangny Taggart saying this is going to cost you. This is when Alyssia Rosenbaum (real name of Ayn Rand) lost me. Become a fucking prostitute. lol
Funny how so many Rand haters (i.e., human parasites) post on this site. They know that Americans are FINALLY waking up and are going to kick them off Welfare and make them get a job. Poor babies :-(
Guess they'll just have to move back into their mommy's basement :-(
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Some jerk off millionaire makes a bad film and cries foul.The whole story depends on a newly discovered stronger and cheaper metal.The plot is so thin it it almost invisible.Whos John Gault ...who fucking cares.
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@cosmicforums Rand was not even relevant until 2001 when techno fetish software developers dusted her off with the help of fake conservatives and propped her up to justify their own simple greed.Alan Greenspan was in her inner circle of awful people in New York.And now thanks to Billionaires who made there money inventing shit no one needs and if it weren't for Manufacturing of needs nobody would even want.Our American society has gotten dumber and more violent.Ayn Rand fits right in.
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@jasrogg - A society pretty much reflects the people. If the people prasie people such as Ayn Rand, then they will get what they are asking for. Not a single one of the Randians think they will be the victim in this situation. All of them think they will be John Gaul, inventor of the magic engine, and powerful enough to stop the progress of humanity. Its nothing but pure delusions. Damn near every single Ayn supporter on this video will become a victim of their political philosophy.
This just shows how ignorant you are of her philosophy on economics. This is the same Alan Greenspan who became head of the Fed, right? You know, that unconstitutional government granted monopoly created in 1913 that she was completely AGAINST? THAT Alan Greenspan?
@sgapplebee Alan Greenspan was also against the Federal Reserve, but he took the job. Greenspan wrote in his book that Ayn Rand was "the single greatest influence on my economic philosophy." Ayn Rand would have also taken the job as Fed Chairman had she been offered. YOu seem to forget that the main thing for John Galt was to make money. It doesn't matter if you are a hypocrite, just as long as you get the money.
@sgapplebee Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand has easy prose, an easy writing style. Also, her ideas are not difficult. It is not like reading Nietzsche or James Joyce. I started laughing when Dangny Taggart told Hank Rearden that it "would cost him" to fuck her. This was a hoot and when I knew that Ayn Rand was a sociopath.
@sgapplebee Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand has easy prose, an easy writing style. Also, her ideas are not difficult. It is not like reading Nietzsche or James Joyce. I started laughing when Dangny Taggart told Hank Rearden that it "would cost him" to fuck her. This was a hoot and when I knew that Ayn Rand was a sociopath.
@sgapplebee Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand has easy prose, an easy writing style. Also, her ideas are not difficult. It is not like reading Nietzsche or James Joyce. I started laughing when Dangny Taggart told Hank Rearden that it "would cost him" to fuck her. This was a hoot and when I knew that Ayn Rand was a sociopath.
@cosmicforums And now i have to listen to people tell me that collectivism is the real problem not Corporate Govt merger you know FASCISM.And all these FAKE ASS WANNA BE INTELLECTUALS think Rand is great because they grew up in homes that voted against their interests like Reagan ,Bush and, Bill Clinton or not being involved at all.And living by the creed Greed is Good.Read my blog youll love it and i need some feedback.jasonlkroggasch@blogspot.com THANKS
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Ayn Rand for those people who hate their fellow humans.Also Shrugged is like the NWO bible.Her books are long but at least they are boring.And she was so pretty.Men lined up just to get away from her.And only this hyper dumbed down Technocrisy would have any use for Rands books.All those Billionaire software Nerds who no one would ever want to fuck love her Misanthropic ideals.I thought we had left Rand in the 80s where she belonged.Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg im looking at you.
Some of you have really poor taste in movies. For the budget this movie was made with, it is excellent. If you didn't like it, you probably didn't get it or you're the type this book treats as the problem with society. Note, I did not mention anyone's name here, so if you were offended and want to flame me, do so with the admission that you are a troll.
@AMackenzie22 I think the reason why they didn't stick with the period was budget; It would have cost a great deal more to make.
Atlas Shrugged is one of the greatest books ever written, and it is an egregious error that it is not part of the curriculum in many education systems. We are constantly presented with one perspective, Capitalism is often condemned by educators, Rand’s book is a refreshing counterbalance to that idea. If you have not read it you are missing an important point of view. The book is amazing. That said movies are never as good as the book they're based on, and I hope they didn't butcher it.
@LearningAsIGo80 Making money isn't the only goal in life, its Reardens only goal in life. You do know you have a thing called choice right? That was Ayn Rands philosophy choice. I fail to see why that is psycho
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
The producers only earned back about $4 million of their $20 million budget when this film was released, so they were hesitant to make a second film, but it looks like filming for the second film was given a green light and part 2 is supposed to be released in the fall of 2012.
After seeing this movie, Atlas Shrugged, I may tell that it is pretty interesting, so if you want to watch it just go to this video /watch?v=7Zy-e33-png and grab the link in video description!
Do you really believe that she is referring to you personalty as the John Galt archetype?
I doubt that any of her protagonists would have the time to make comments on youtube, they would be out making money and screwing your wives/husbands (because it is their 'right')
No, she was not just speaking to the John Galts. She was speaking to every honest man and woman who had enough self respect to earn their own way instead of trying to steal from others who had.
@jarvy251. If only it was as black and white as that.
Not all social security users are dishonest thieves, just as not all 'rich' people are not misunderstood geniuses who are held back by society
I find it hard to believe that the majority of people on welfare enjoy being on the bottom rung of society, where they are marginalized, dehumanized and seen as the scapegoat for all of society's ills.
"I find it hard to believe that the majority of people on welfare enjoy being on the bottom rung of society"
I agree, but it becomes a question of necessity. If getting yourself off welfare and into the workplace means you taking an immediate income cut, would you do it?
This is a big problem we have in Canada. The unskilled poor want to work, but welfare gives them more money than entry level jobs do.
We could cut welfare, but what politician would do that? Everyone would say that they "Hate the poor." It's not in a politician's best interests to help the poor at all.
The poor will always vote to steal form the rich. The rich, in a panic, will then bribe the politicians to protect their wealth. The government obliges by passing regulations that stomp out competition, creating more poor, and more votes
Rand was just casting light on our disgusting system.
@jarvy251 The rich will be lucky if they are only stolen from, they have created poverty through self entitlement and greed, in reality the rich deserve death. They are the scum of the system, the lowest in evolution, the plague of our species.
Well, I'm very sorry to hear that you think the inventors of the internet, airplane, telephone, automobile, and just about every modern innovation and luxury we have are scum deserving of death.
@jarvy251 I said rich people not inventors, most inventors where not wealthy. Most wealthy inventors simply mass produced a poor person invention. Leonard Kleinrock, (initial idea fo the net), The Wright Brothers (invent first airplane), Alexander Graham Bell & Thomas A. Watson (invented the phone together) Nicolas-Joseph Cugno (invented first car), none of these people where rich. We have had countless inventions destroyed by the rich to ensure profit over advancement.
To say that Bell and Watson weren't rich is laughable. Bell's company remains the largest telecommunication company in Canada, and Watson used his immense income from royalties to start several new companies of his own.
Cugno's vehicle was less practical than using a horse and he did not refine it any further, why would anyone pay him for it?
The Wright aircraft design was notoriously unsafe and they refused to change it, while others adapted superior designs.
It's not enough to simply invent, it also must be made useful. Finding a way to make an impractical invention into a useful or surperior invention is also a valuable skill.
If Cugno has survived long enough to see steam-powered rail, or had worked to improve his design himself, he would have been wallowing in money.
@jarvy251 You said "you think the inventors,are scum deserving of death". I said "they (the mega rich) have created poverty through self entitlement and greed, in reality the rich deserve death". Bell and Watson and none of those inventors where rich when they invented those things. Genesis, creativity, and inventiveness are not a by-product of being absurdly wealthy. Poverty, suffering, and slavery are a direct result of greed and self entitlement.
@ElDiabloWhoppo Retarded statement. "Rights" such as these have never been expressed or implied. And as to: "those that believe in Ayn Rand"... Well, I'm pretty sure Ayn Rand actually existed, so not believing in her would be idiotic.
I LOVED THIS MOVIE!!!! and I'm only 11! my name is Dagny too (main character or Dagny Taggart but that's not my last name)
troupedagny9 10 hours ago
I LOVED this movie and I'm eleven!! my name is Dagny!!!!!!!!!
troupedagny9 10 hours ago
I didn't even know there was a god damn movie! anyways. Terrific book and a glorious philosophy.
Canadianloyalist123 1 day ago
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Ayn Rand is a GREAT CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHER !!!
Sure ATLAS SHRUGGED was a BORING movie and the acting was LAME .... BUT the message it carried is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT !!!
That message is : that this world has only a FEW VERY TALENTED PEOPLE (the elites) ... and we must exempt them from taxes.... otherwise: if they leave us ... our economy will grind to a halt !!!!
Make the FLAT-TAX a reality now !!!!
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The simple question Rand haters refuse to answer (for obvious reasons):
If a person is FORCED to pay for something, are they a hypocrite for taking their money back in any way they can?
sgapplebee 2 days ago 2
The book was amazing. I haven't seen the movie because I really don't know if it could stand up to the book. It was one of the best books I've ever read. Just my opinion. (and here come the hate comments blah blah....)
stephy198920011 2 days ago
The movie can only be understood by people who are EXTREMELY TALENTED !!!
If you dont like this movie... then you are NOT TALENTED !!!!
MrSuperneocon 3 days ago
@MrSuperneocon Okay, so you think you are extremely talented? The emperor has no cloth, however, he is convinced that he is wearing invisible cloths that only clever people can see!! YOU ARE THE EMPEROR!!
yauyyb 1 day ago
The book/movie does well demonstrate that when people work very hard to overcome government obstacles, government will pat itself on the back and create more obstacles.
Solverwiz 3 days ago
Shit movie inspired by a shitty book written by a shitty drug addicted to jewess
BlackFrontHeathen77 4 days ago
@BlackFrontHeathen77 and you know this because you've seen it right? oh right i totally forgot you're a racist who thinks he's a critic who thinks he's seen things before they have been released. gtfo fag.
TMzong 4 days ago
@TMzong Uhh are you stupid? Part one has been out for a while now and I have actually seen it. It was very bland and full of generalizations. The characters Taggart and Rearden are portrayed as if they are God's gift to the planet while the workers below them are portrayed as stupid and just getting in the way of all the great and wonderful things Taggart and Rearden want to give to the world. An intellectually dishonest book and novel to say the least.
BlackFrontHeathen77 4 days ago 10
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I saw it too (never read the book). I agree with a lot of the movie was trying to say, but really felt like it was trying to force the message down our throats rather than allowing it to develop naturally with the storyline. Coupled with a cast of mediocre actors playing bland and unlikeable characters, and what you have is a good message being poorly told by a bad movie. I spent half the movie laughing and the other half groaning in pain.
JoeyBatz 3 days ago
@BlackFrontHeathen77: "An intellectually dishonest book...etc"?
This coming form someone who doesn't even have the balls to identify himself?
sgapplebee 3 days ago
@sgapplebee Oh yes cause one has to show their face on youtube to have a valid opinion, nice logic buddy
BlackFrontHeathen77 2 days ago
@BlackFrontHeathen77 He's used to that kind of exposure. When you look up 'adult who still likes Ayn Rand' in the dictionary, sgapplebee's photo is front and center.
bdf234 2 days ago
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@BlackFrontHeathen77 He's not afraid to put himself out there. When you look up 'adult who still likes Ayn Rand' in the dictionary, sgapplebee's photo is front and center.
bdf234 2 days ago 2
@BlackFrontHeathen77 I completely agree with you! MY GOD. Ayn Rand has no intellectual integrity. She simply sale books by telling people she came from Soviet Russia and how she like america much better. Her book is rip off of Animal Farm except WAYYYYY more biased.
yauyyb 1 day ago
As someone who loves talking about economics and political philosophy, I would just like to go on record and say that anyone who thinks it makes compelling blockbuster cinema is a MORON.
RioMadeira 5 days ago
I forced myself to watch this and oh lawdy, what a ham-fisted, amateur piece of shit.
It captured the essence of Ayn Rand perfectly.
bdf234 6 days ago
@bdf234,
Sure ya did. We believe you.
sgapplebee 6 days ago
@bdf234 Somehow I doubt you've ever read a book longer than a hundred pages let alone Atlas Shrugged
56donkeyes 4 days ago
@56donkeyes Did you know Ayn Rand collected Medicare when she was old and sick? What a hypocrite.
bdf234 3 days ago
@bdf234 You mean that she may have received some benefits back from the insurance she was forced to pay for. Is that what you call a hypocrite these days?
Solverwiz 3 days ago
@Solverwiz Yes, when you spend your life lambasting anyone who makes use of the social safety net as a "leech" and a "moocher" and a "parasite," only to make use of it yourself in a time of need, it makes you a fucking hypocrite.
bdf234 3 days ago
@Solverwiz,
It's no use. Liberals are either too STUPID to understand what hypocrisy is, or to IMMORAL to want to admit that, according to them, THEFT is perfectly acceptable if enough people vote for it.
I've watched this site for roughly a year now, and NOT ONE liberal has been intelligent enough to understand what hypocrisy means.
sgapplebee 3 days ago 2
@sgapplebee By all means professor, explain to me how Ayn Rand collecting Medicare isn't hypocrisy.
bdf234 3 days ago
@bdf234,
Simple. If a person is FORCED to pay for something, they have every RIGHT to get THEIR money back in any way they can.
She would only be a hypocrite if she was against Medicare, DIDN'T pay into it, but then collected form it. Simple enough?
sgapplebee 3 days ago
@sgapplebee So it's okay because she paid into it, yet anyone else who collects benefits after paying into them is nonetheless a "moocher." Quite the double standard, professor.
bdf234 3 days ago
@bdf234,
Hello?
Yes or no? If a person is FORCED to pay for something, are they a hypocrite for taking their money back any way they can?
sgapplebee 3 days ago
@sgapplebee I think he is somehow confusing a victim with a moocher.
Solverwiz 1 day ago
@56donkeyes,
Is 'Fun with Dick and Jane' a hundred pages? He wasn't able to read it either, so he waited for the movie as well with that one too :-(
sgapplebee 3 days ago
@sgapplebee Yep, and it still had more philosophical value than Atlas Shrugged.
bdf234 3 days ago
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GentStark 1 week ago
it failed. it all failed in reality. but we still do the same things, and it will fail again. Ayn Rand's philosophy is brilliant but it dosent work. power from the government is taken up by other governments and countries like china. Anarchy needs more pracitcal thought, could work, why not try it out?
burnticeblues 1 week ago
@burnticeblues has it failed? Are you sure of that? She never mentions anarchy or lack of government or weakness. What it is about is the basic fundamental principle of government; Justice. A government is needed to provide justice, to provide property rights, to provide protection from foreign invaders. These are the basic services which benefit everyone and in which a sound government is formed upon. No-one can step up and claim that vacuum of vacated power if these things are still provided.
56donkeyes 11 hours ago
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GentStark 1 week ago
While everyone's arguing economics, people are forgetting that we are watching the trailer for a movie. A movie that is poorly written, poorly acted, poorly designed, and poorly conceived. Ayn Rand herself would have hated this piece of crap movie, and I wish her fans would stop blindly supporting this horrendous cheap-looking piece of crap, whose production values make 'Sharktopus" look like "Lord of the Rings".
goji2099 1 week ago
@goji2099,
So you've seen it?
sgapplebee 1 week ago
@sgapplebee Yes. I'm one of the twenty three.
goji2099 1 week ago
@goji2099,
Sure ya did. We believe you too.
sgapplebee 6 days ago
@sgapplebee Don't give a shit if you do or not.
bdf234 6 days ago
@bdf234,
Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have wasted your time answering. Yet another Welfare parasite trying to protect his free ride :-(
sgapplebee 5 days ago
Some new facts about Americas "poor":
99 percent had a refrigerator and stove, two-thirds had a plasma TV, a DVD player and access to cable or satellite, 43 percent were on the Internet, half had a video game system like PlayStation or Xbox. Three-fourths of the poor had a car or truck, nine in 10 a microwave, 80 percent had air conditioning.
Crushing poverty?
sgapplebee 1 week ago
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GentStark 1 week ago
So this movie is about a making a train and a track?
Akamuone 1 week ago
This trailer wins for Razzie of the year. That is for sure. Way to make a trailer that makes me have no interest in seeing the film.
Akamuone 1 week ago
@sgappebee
The bums all over the country being turned away from homeless shelters due to overcrowding. Why so many bums? Government overspending.
brannonfavel 1 week ago
i wonder how many of the people commenting actually read the 1100-page book.
blue9001 1 week ago
@blue9001 I ask myself the same question to those who argue against it.
Canadianloyalist123 1 week ago
@blue9001 I read the whole thing.
calronmoonflower 1 week ago
Fascinating story, but a very generic trailer...
morylencyAKAjohn 1 week ago
Why would the film producers not set this back in the 1940s & 50s (when it was written)?. Back when Railroads and US manufactured Steel were a significant part of the economy. When this book was published there were no Japanese import cars in the U.S., so seeing Dagny in a Toyota is a little weird.
MarcBrewer 1 week ago
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GentStark 1 week ago
@GentStark,
Of course it's the motivation behind the people abusing the system, but the system has been set-up to allow people to abuse it. When people are FORCED by their government to give money to people who are lttle more than human parasites, those human parasites develop a mentality of entitlement. If people were able to CHOOSE who they want to help (the philosophy of our governments founding documents), there wouldn't be so many human leeches sucking off the system.
sgapplebee 1 week ago
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GentStark 1 week ago
@GentStark,
Then why didn't that happen in the first hundred years of American history? At the turn of the 20th century, and without ANY government programs, The United States had the highest standard of living in the world (with the possible exception of Great Britain).
The 'War on Poverty' has been a COMPLETE failure because it has created an entitlement mentality in many Americans. Before this so-called "war" began, poverty was continually decreasing...cont...
sgapplebee 1 week ago
...since it's inception, the poverty rate has remained the same.
It has also helped to destroy the American family (especially the black family).
Also, no matter what someone calls it (Welfare, egalitarianism, redistribution of wealth...etc.), it's still STEALING from one person in order to give to another. No one has the right to ANYTHING someone else is forced to give.
Morality is based on choice; choice is based on freedom; therefore, morality is based on freedom.
sgapplebee 1 week ago
btw, when I capitalize I'm not yelling, but emphasizing :-)
sgapplebee 1 week ago
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GentStark 1 week ago
@GentStark,
Simply read The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. The REASON we have a government is to protect the Rights of the individual. Which obviously means people are no allowed to kill other people.
As to people "starving to death", please give me some names of people who starved to death in America before our government became a nanny state.
And as to Taxes, if a tax isn't Constitutional, and goes against its intent, Americans shouldn't be forced to pay it.
sgapplebee 1 week ago
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The bums all over the country being turned away from homeless shelters due to overcrowding. Why so many bums? Government overspending.
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GentStark 1 week ago
@GentStark,
I'm not sure what your point is with this post. What does it have to do with me asking you for some names of people who supposedely staved to death before the nanny state began? Do you have some names?
sgapplebee 1 week ago
Why the hell did they put it in modern times?
sonic16913 2 weeks ago
@sonic16913 it's sort of futuristic being that it's supposed to take place in 2016 I know that it's in about 4 years but still it's the future
AidanTaih 2 weeks ago
Wow, look at what the free market has supplied us with, a remarkable film adaption of a even more remarkable book!
martingrannholmen 2 weeks ago
I think they created a business version of 007 again.. not based on the book. Even the time set up was wrong.. 21 century and Toyota Camry? Omg..
babogatae 2 weeks ago
I've read the book and thought it was OK. I'm interested to see the movie. I see it's a trilogy like Lord of the Rings.
benthejrporter 2 weeks ago
I'd rather watch "Boardwalk empire."
babogatae 2 weeks ago
@babogatae Boardwalk empire, "...peeling back the layers of polite society to reveal a giddy shadow world of criminals and politicians collaborating..."
Sounds a bit like the book and much like the many players with their schemes going on today.
Solverwiz 2 weeks ago
The movie is quite good, I am waiting for parts II and III. I recommend.
moreiralfm 2 weeks ago
just watched it, it was a pretty good movie
DAWNKEVIN1127 2 weeks ago
Despite some objections we saw this movie yesterday. I did not think it was at all as bad as the reviews. One thing I found revealing is people who did business needed “a man in washington.” The bad businesses need them more. This union starts really fouling things up. I found it strange that the “good” side only wants to make money and seems to like having affairs where the “bad” side like to talk and make rules. Not going to read the book but all said, I hope they make a part 2.
GodsStyleGirl 2 weeks ago
@GodsStyleGirl
The book is epic (a little heavy though). Id hope for a part 2
SupremeParkitects 1 week ago
@SupremeParkitects what would be the point of adding prt.1 after a film title if there were no plans for a prt. 2
rsbarrett4991 1 week ago
It never ceases to amaze me how people attempt to comment on things they have NO understandiing of. For Gods sake AT THE VERY LEAST know the characters!
John Golt is NOT Hank Rearden. And NEITHER ONE would be involved in the "slave trade". Rands ENTIRE political philosophy is BASED ON nobody being allowed to initiate force...period!
And what kind of idiot calls something a "cultish pseudo philosophy", but then admits to never reading it?!
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@sgapplebee She's a hypocrite because she said Israel had the right to use force to get rid of Palestinians because they were quote "savages", she used the same reasoning to justify displacing and slaughtering native americans.
So the no force line you cultists peddle is bullshit, you can find the video of her admitting this on youtube with Phil Donahue
ImaginedWriter 2 weeks ago
@sgapplebee John GALT. not Golt.
ChasingCharles 2 weeks ago
@ChasingCharles,
Of course, that's what happens when you're in a hurry :-)
sgapplebee 2 weeks ago
@sgapplebee Re: your last sentence. Well I never read "Dianetics", but...
MarcBrewer 1 week ago
honestly i didnt even watch movie only trailer was needed so i can realize this movie is shit ...
cant say anything about book :D
boboviodbobilanda 3 weeks ago
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Ayn Rand=lame
thaHoncho 3 weeks ago
Anyone who follows everything Rand said or did, just because, isn't very objective.
mustang607 3 weeks ago
I find it amazing how many people have closed their minds to understanding this book. If slave trading was the best way to get money, would John Galt be a slave trader? Why or why not? The full and correct answer to that would summarize his philosophy.
mustang607 3 weeks ago
@mustang607 there's a difference between understanding something and recognizing that it's cultish pseudo philosophy and never bothering to read it. i'm guilty of the latter, but most rand critics are of the former category.
zackhanscom 3 weeks ago
@mustang607
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
SupremeParkitects 1 week ago
@evilsymphony94,
Sorry about the last post, I thought you were someone else. However, perhaps when you grow up and get a JOB you'll understand why people get sick & tired of paying the bills of others.
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago
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sgapplebee 3 weeks ago
In honor of Super Tuesday March 3rd&4th will be an "Atlas Shrugged - Liberty or Death" weekend. Spread the word. Plan you movie party now. We must change the current course of our nation. Rent or buy this movie. Tell everyone. "Liberty or Death" Weekend is coming. We are at a pivotal point in history and everyone needs to have their eyes open.
RepublicTruth 3 weeks ago
I'm watching this because of Bioshock. And PewDiePie.
drogadkatt 3 weeks ago
It never ceases to amaze me now people want to argue algebra when they have yet to learn arithmetic :-(
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago 22
@sgapplebee i completely agree w/u... it's also disheartening...
rsbarrett4991 1 week ago
@rsbarrett4991,
It is, but that's why people of principle need to stand up to those who aren't.
sgapplebee 1 week ago
All of Ayn Rands political philosophy can be summed up in a single question:
Are the needs (or supposed needs) of one human being a mortgage on the freedom of another?
That's the ONLY question that needs to be answered because a government must either protect a citizens "Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", or a government must force one person to be another’s keeper (from each according to his ability to each according to his need". It MUST be one or the other…Period!
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago
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@sgapplebee I remember reading Atlas Shrugged back in high school I remember the time Dangny Taggart and Hank Rearden were about to have sex. I remember Dangny Taggart saying this is going to cost you. This is when Alyssia Rosenbaum (real name of Ayn Rand) lost me. Become a fucking prostitute. lol
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 weeks ago
Funny how so many Rand haters (i.e., human parasites) post on this site. They know that Americans are FINALLY waking up and are going to kick them off Welfare and make them get a job. Poor babies :-(
Guess they'll just have to move back into their mommy's basement :-(
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago 2
WHO IS JOHN GALT?!?!
sniped101 3 weeks ago
@sniped101 I was thinking of Willie Gault thanks for the correction.
jasrogg 3 weeks ago
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Some jerk off millionaire makes a bad film and cries foul.The whole story depends on a newly discovered stronger and cheaper metal.The plot is so thin it it almost invisible.Whos John Gault ...who fucking cares.
jasrogg 3 weeks ago
@jasrogg Ayn Rand fans can get so annoying sometimes, dont you agree?
cosmicforums 3 weeks ago
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@cosmicforums Rand was not even relevant until 2001 when techno fetish software developers dusted her off with the help of fake conservatives and propped her up to justify their own simple greed.Alan Greenspan was in her inner circle of awful people in New York.And now thanks to Billionaires who made there money inventing shit no one needs and if it weren't for Manufacturing of needs nobody would even want.Our American society has gotten dumber and more violent.Ayn Rand fits right in.
jasrogg 3 weeks ago
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@jasrogg - A society pretty much reflects the people. If the people prasie people such as Ayn Rand, then they will get what they are asking for. Not a single one of the Randians think they will be the victim in this situation. All of them think they will be John Gaul, inventor of the magic engine, and powerful enough to stop the progress of humanity. Its nothing but pure delusions. Damn near every single Ayn supporter on this video will become a victim of their political philosophy.
cosmicforums 3 weeks ago
@cosmicforums Alan Greenspan, an Ayn Rand desciple, admitted his economic philosophy was wrong to congress.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 weeks ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus,
This just shows how ignorant you are of her philosophy on economics. This is the same Alan Greenspan who became head of the Fed, right? You know, that unconstitutional government granted monopoly created in 1913 that she was completely AGAINST? THAT Alan Greenspan?
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago
@sgapplebee Alan Greenspan was also against the Federal Reserve, but he took the job. Greenspan wrote in his book that Ayn Rand was "the single greatest influence on my economic philosophy." Ayn Rand would have also taken the job as Fed Chairman had she been offered. YOu seem to forget that the main thing for John Galt was to make money. It doesn't matter if you are a hypocrite, just as long as you get the money.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 weeks ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus,
Thanks again for showing your ignorance. Please quote her just ONCE supporting the Fed, and ONCE supporting hypocrisy.
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus: "the main thing for John Galt was to make money"?
Really? Thanks, once again, for showing your ignorance :-)
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago 2
@sgapplebee You obviously have not read the book Atlas Shrugged. You are a wannabe.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 weeks ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus,
Really? And YOU have? Perhaps you should get your characters straight first, no?
sgapplebee 3 weeks ago
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@sgapplebee Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand has easy prose, an easy writing style. Also, her ideas are not difficult. It is not like reading Nietzsche or James Joyce. I started laughing when Dangny Taggart told Hank Rearden that it "would cost him" to fuck her. This was a hoot and when I knew that Ayn Rand was a sociopath.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 weeks ago
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@sgapplebee Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand has easy prose, an easy writing style. Also, her ideas are not difficult. It is not like reading Nietzsche or James Joyce. I started laughing when Dangny Taggart told Hank Rearden that it "would cost him" to fuck her. This was a hoot and when I knew that Ayn Rand was a sociopath.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 weeks ago
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@sgapplebee Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand has easy prose, an easy writing style. Also, her ideas are not difficult. It is not like reading Nietzsche or James Joyce. I started laughing when Dangny Taggart told Hank Rearden that it "would cost him" to fuck her. This was a hoot and when I knew that Ayn Rand was a sociopath.
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@cosmicforums And now i have to listen to people tell me that collectivism is the real problem not Corporate Govt merger you know FASCISM.And all these FAKE ASS WANNA BE INTELLECTUALS think Rand is great because they grew up in homes that voted against their interests like Reagan ,Bush and, Bill Clinton or not being involved at all.And living by the creed Greed is Good.Read my blog youll love it and i need some feedback.jasonlkroggasch@blogspot.com THANKS
jasrogg 3 weeks ago
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Ayn Rand for those people who hate their fellow humans.Also Shrugged is like the NWO bible.Her books are long but at least they are boring.And she was so pretty.Men lined up just to get away from her.And only this hyper dumbed down Technocrisy would have any use for Rands books.All those Billionaire software Nerds who no one would ever want to fuck love her Misanthropic ideals.I thought we had left Rand in the 80s where she belonged.Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg im looking at you.
jasrogg 3 weeks ago
"ATLAS SHRUGGED" the cure for your insomnia
corbinctr 3 weeks ago
Atlas Shrugged. So did critics.
tidalwavedave305 3 weeks ago
Some of you have really poor taste in movies. For the budget this movie was made with, it is excellent. If you didn't like it, you probably didn't get it or you're the type this book treats as the problem with society. Note, I did not mention anyone's name here, so if you were offended and want to flame me, do so with the admission that you are a troll.
@AMackenzie22 I think the reason why they didn't stick with the period was budget; It would have cost a great deal more to make.
emplehod 3 weeks ago
@hitmanhart670 You are correct, sir.
rehsabthgir 3 weeks ago
I like Ayn Rand's work, and this is an awful movie.
ipwnallnubscuzirock 3 weeks ago
Atlas Shrugged is one of the greatest books ever written, and it is an egregious error that it is not part of the curriculum in many education systems. We are constantly presented with one perspective, Capitalism is often condemned by educators, Rand’s book is a refreshing counterbalance to that idea. If you have not read it you are missing an important point of view. The book is amazing. That said movies are never as good as the book they're based on, and I hope they didn't butcher it.
AMackenzie22 4 weeks ago
Making money is the only goal in life? Wow what a philosopher that psycho Ayn Rand was.
LearningAsIGo80 4 weeks ago
@LearningAsIGo80 Making money isn't the only goal in life, its Reardens only goal in life. You do know you have a thing called choice right? That was Ayn Rands philosophy choice. I fail to see why that is psycho
JCKustom13 3 weeks ago
@JCKustom13 I fail to see how privatizing the entire planet would leave people any choice. We see how well privatizing the jails worked in the US.
LearningAsIGo80 3 weeks ago
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unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
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@LearningAsIGo80
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
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@LearningAsIGo80
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
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@LearningAsIGo80
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
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@LearningAsIGo80
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
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@LearningAsIGo80
unfortunately, Rand cultists are rarely capable of seeing an idea through to its logical conclusion. It's part of the personality required to be a Rand cultist in the first place.
TFYFWYA 3 weeks ago
Just looks like a really shit story for a film. So boring.
NathanT4791 4 weeks ago
@NathanT4791
I found the book was exciting, but yeah, I don't think it translates well into film at all.
jarvy251 4 weeks ago
God I hope they make this anywhere close to as good as the book is. Anybody know when this us coming out?
227Morgan 1 month ago
@227Morgan
It's out right now.
jarvy251 1 month ago
All things considered, "Plan Nine From Outer Space" was a much better movie.
Jazzycat47 1 month ago
The book is better
BrutallyHonestKissy 1 month ago
Nah it just sucked
big time
NetProwlers1 1 month ago
a comedy right?
tomitstube 1 month ago
I wish Rand had lived to write the screenplay. It probably would have turned out better...
kiomarv 1 month ago 2
James Taggart in the book is a bald, 39-year-old man who looks fifty; James in the movie, however, looks like a stretched-out ten-year-old (lol).
kiomarv 1 month ago
@kiomarv The one in the movie is hot!
jgizzy 1 month ago
Yo where the fuck is part 2 bitch!?!?!?!?
Shonenut213 1 month ago
@Shonenut213
The producers only earned back about $4 million of their $20 million budget when this film was released, so they were hesitant to make a second film, but it looks like filming for the second film was given a green light and part 2 is supposed to be released in the fall of 2012.
kiomarv 1 month ago
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After seeing this movie, Atlas Shrugged, I may tell that it is pretty interesting, so if you want to watch it just go to this video /watch?v=7Zy-e33-png and grab the link in video description!
willisswanson1 1 month ago 8
To those that believe in Ayn Rand...
Do you really believe that she is referring to you personalty as the John Galt archetype?
I doubt that any of her protagonists would have the time to make comments on youtube, they would be out making money and screwing your wives/husbands (because it is their 'right')
ElDiabloWhoppo 1 month ago
@ElDiabloWhoppo,
As opposed to living in your mommy's basement and being on Welfare like yourself?
sgapplebee 1 month ago
@sgapplebee. Not to sound like a dick but:
1. Undergraduate Degree in Banking & Finance (check),
2. Post-graduate Diploma Economics (check),
3. Masters of Accounting (check)
4. A relationship manager at a commercial/institutional bank for 10 years (check)
My taxes pay for your... everything!, so yes I am qualified to make an opinion
ElDiabloWhoppo 1 month ago
@ElDiabloWhoppo,
Really? Me too! Plus I speak 14 languages as well :-)
It's amazing how educated everyone is on the internet :-)
sgapplebee 1 month ago
@sgapplebee. Technically gibberish is only one language :)
ElDiabloWhoppo 1 month ago
@ElDiabloWhoppo,
And it's obviously the one you speak best.
sgapplebee 1 month ago
@sgapplebee. Apart from the fact this is a WRITTEN medium
Yes you burned me good
ElDiabloWhoppo 1 month ago
@ElDiabloWhoppo
No, she was not just speaking to the John Galts. She was speaking to every honest man and woman who had enough self respect to earn their own way instead of trying to steal from others who had.
jarvy251 1 month ago
@jarvy251. If only it was as black and white as that.
Not all social security users are dishonest thieves, just as not all 'rich' people are not misunderstood geniuses who are held back by society
I find it hard to believe that the majority of people on welfare enjoy being on the bottom rung of society, where they are marginalized, dehumanized and seen as the scapegoat for all of society's ills.
ElDiabloWhoppo 4 weeks ago
@ElDiabloWhoppo
"I find it hard to believe that the majority of people on welfare enjoy being on the bottom rung of society"
I agree, but it becomes a question of necessity. If getting yourself off welfare and into the workplace means you taking an immediate income cut, would you do it?
This is a big problem we have in Canada. The unskilled poor want to work, but welfare gives them more money than entry level jobs do.
jarvy251 4 weeks ago
@ElDiabloWhoppo
We could cut welfare, but what politician would do that? Everyone would say that they "Hate the poor." It's not in a politician's best interests to help the poor at all.
The poor will always vote to steal form the rich. The rich, in a panic, will then bribe the politicians to protect their wealth. The government obliges by passing regulations that stomp out competition, creating more poor, and more votes
Rand was just casting light on our disgusting system.
jarvy251 4 weeks ago
@jarvy251 The rich will be lucky if they are only stolen from, they have created poverty through self entitlement and greed, in reality the rich deserve death. They are the scum of the system, the lowest in evolution, the plague of our species.
superfish812 4 weeks ago
@superfish812
Well, I'm very sorry to hear that you think the inventors of the internet, airplane, telephone, automobile, and just about every modern innovation and luxury we have are scum deserving of death.
Some of us have more sense than that.
jarvy251 4 weeks ago
@jarvy251 I said rich people not inventors, most inventors where not wealthy. Most wealthy inventors simply mass produced a poor person invention. Leonard Kleinrock, (initial idea fo the net), The Wright Brothers (invent first airplane), Alexander Graham Bell & Thomas A. Watson (invented the phone together) Nicolas-Joseph Cugno (invented first car), none of these people where rich. We have had countless inventions destroyed by the rich to ensure profit over advancement.
superfish812 4 weeks ago
@superfish812
To say that Bell and Watson weren't rich is laughable. Bell's company remains the largest telecommunication company in Canada, and Watson used his immense income from royalties to start several new companies of his own.
Cugno's vehicle was less practical than using a horse and he did not refine it any further, why would anyone pay him for it?
The Wright aircraft design was notoriously unsafe and they refused to change it, while others adapted superior designs.
jarvy251 4 weeks ago
@superfish812
It's not enough to simply invent, it also must be made useful. Finding a way to make an impractical invention into a useful or surperior invention is also a valuable skill.
If Cugno has survived long enough to see steam-powered rail, or had worked to improve his design himself, he would have been wallowing in money.
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@jarvy251 You said "you think the inventors,are scum deserving of death". I said "they (the mega rich) have created poverty through self entitlement and greed, in reality the rich deserve death". Bell and Watson and none of those inventors where rich when they invented those things. Genesis, creativity, and inventiveness are not a by-product of being absurdly wealthy. Poverty, suffering, and slavery are a direct result of greed and self entitlement.
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sgapplebee 4 weeks ago
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@ElDiabloWhoppo,
Ah, poor babies :-(
But like you, if they remain anonymous (as the media works hard to make sure of), they're simply "victims" of a uncaring world :-(
300 million Americans.
138 million WORKING Americans.
21 million of those are GOVERNMENT employees.
60 million on Social Security.
48 million collecting some type of Welfare.
2 million in prison or jail.
What percentage of a population can feed at the public trough before society collapses?
sgapplebee 4 weeks ago
@ElDiabloWhoppo Retarded statement. "Rights" such as these have never been expressed or implied. And as to: "those that believe in Ayn Rand"... Well, I'm pretty sure Ayn Rand actually existed, so not believing in her would be idiotic.
emplehod 3 weeks ago
@emplehod. Obviously I'm questioning her physical existence?
The perception of a right, is a state of mind, in this case the justification of the powerful taking advantage of the weak.
Retarded statement? The irony of your use of that phrase is telling
I think I would classify you as a moron based on the Stanford-Binet intelligence scale (it could have been worse)
Get back to me after you "Wikipedia" it genius (god knows you couldn't research it yourself)
ElDiabloWhoppo 3 weeks ago