Whoever say that Muhamad taught that Jesus didn't die on the cross. May I ask was Muhamad the eye withness of the crusification as compare to Mark, John and Peter who were the historical eye withnesses. How can you imagine that the Roman soldiers allow the replacement when Pilate already ordered to crucify Jesus. Defying the order of Roman governor will have to die. So to think that someone replace Jesus on the cross is absurd. If Jesus had not died and rose again we christians believed in vain
According to bible. None of Christ Apostales were there at the time of Crucifixtion. YOur own bible says. THEY ALL FORSOOK HIM AND FLED.. Explain that first ??
c the cat mate ur very ill. ur going round and round. tel ur dad that he will have 2 pay 4 ur sins c what what he says or ask any liltle kid i'm sure they will tell u 2 stick it up ur a**.
Please study God's law before telling me what I do or don't know or using the insinuation of profanity.
God's law requires sacrifice for sin. (Leviticus 16:15-16, 17:11, Hebrews 9:22)
God's prophets stated that the messiah would come to be that sacrifice (Isaiah 53:4-6, 10, 12)
God's messiah plainly stated that he came to die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34) exactly HOW he would die (Mt 20:19,26:2) and exactly WHY he must die (Cont.)
False. They fled the scene of the arrest. It does not say the fled the scene of the crucifixion. There were many present at the cross.
IE. John 19 which gives you a list of some present:
But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
Muhammad taught that Jesus didn't die on the cross but that another who looked like Jesus died instead which is insane
Muhammad pretended to praise Jesus but downsized and used Jesus to endorse himself which failed because Jesus never announced the coming of Muhammad rather he said the Holy Spirit that lives in all people on earth would come and he came 500 years before Muhammad
The mere fact that Muhammad even heard of Jesus was solely because Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead
loll once ears have been sealed and eyes have been covered theres nothing that can be done.you are living proof.anyways brother this back and forthe stuff is getting silly.peacee
The Quran states Jesus never died on the cross but another who looked like him died instead
but the only reason Muhammad heard about Jesus was due to the fact Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead
No one else in existence claimed he would rise from the dead except Jesus and Jesus rose from the dead for that is when Christianity came into existence
It is outrageous to claim someone else died in place of Jesus when Jesus' Mother was at the foot of the cross and Jesus spoke to her
when you do read the Quran, i mean translation, 'coz I READ ARABIC, so no twisting in the hatred & haters talks like yourself, you said he "Mohammad" pbuh said ONLY ONE GOD, now you jump from this to that, contradict urself, contradict the direct exact refrences of God's commands i gave you "from your bible" WHATEVER VERSION YOU HAVE, since you said "any" so which is GOD'S WORD, & which are the hypocrats words &bibles, yet you dont know
a movie confused the entire christian faith worldwide
Al it doesn't matter to you which version of the Bible I read because Muhamamd who could not read and did not know the languages of the Bibles claimed the Bibles of 2 religions was falsified
Only Muhammad accused Christians of worshiping 2 gods and Mary as a god to wage war with the Christians
There are many versions of the Quran as well which doesn't matter because only Muhammad taught hatred, violence and war which contradicted God and which proved only Muhammad used God to oppress people
which is the true one? which to follow, the OT, or NT, & which version of it, since you christians claim the law is dead, jews says NO & they say jesus is son of roman soldier raped Mary "may Allah punish them for such accusation. but yet, you went to extreme making him BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD " begoteen not made" yet again u look & then close your eyes and continue as if it was not there
Deuteronomy 18:18 will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
WHO IS THAT PROPHET, WHO R THE BROTHEREN OF THE ISRAELITES, ARENT THEY THE ARABS?????
& isnt Mohammad like Moses peace be upon both of them.& he is from the brotheren of the israelites, but again u will not accept 2 even see it, u will close your eyes & stop ur mind from functioning, just "believe" yea right
yes u use lies, & u cant prove trinity, u go arround giving laime things, what is true christianty "gays/lesbians/ drugs/ adultry & illegal children???
to worship God its to be as God said to be worshiped not "just believe"
yea we dont like lies as nobody does, so we show the world how silly ur claims about God are, and how you bash Jesus pbuh by saying he is "Begotten Son of God" what did God according to you had Sex with Mary?
no other explantion in any dictionary for Beget. so run arround
I can prove the Trinity and I don't lie because I am not a Muslim
Muhammad did say God do battle with the Christians for saying Jesus is the Son of God, to justify slaughtering both Jews and Christians
but Gabriel said to Mary she would give birth to the son of God and Jesus referred himself as being the son of God, only Muhammad was a false prophet who proved it by his false teachings, contradictions and violence as well perversions
Muhammad was not like Moses because Muhammad made no miracles and God called Moses to be a prophet he never called Muhammad to be a prophet Muhammad's family did as it was good busniness for the kaaba that they owned and it was Muhammad's family who said the spirit was Gabriel who guided Muhammad which is not true because God honours his promises and a true angel also honours God's words and God said he chose Isaac's lineage to be prophets not Ishmael
there are tons of Miracles done by Mohammad pbuh,but we dont go selling them arround saying "see" yet nothing to see,we have a living miracle the Quran, which sadly you only read twisted translations & put in it whats not there. but still u dont want to even look in your own bible. & i u ever really stuided the biography of Mohammad u will see that his relative who was a christian "not trinitarian" told him that his encounters were true & that he is the prophet fortold to come for "the world"
There are no miracles by Muhammad so stop lying even Muhammad confessed in the Quran he did no miracles until he came up with the bright idea that the Quran was a miracle when he had 2 scribes to verify each other and when the Quran came into existence after Muhammad died by his successors who hired 4 scribes
His Christian relative was wrong because Muhammad was never a prophet and he was never mentioned in any bible
The biography of Muhammad does not reflect the truth as in the Hadith
Deut 18:18 It is your own eyes that are blind for I told you there were 2 passages that proved Deut.18-18 applied to the messiah
and Jesus said in John 5:46 If you believed Moses you would believe me for Moses wrote about me and in John 1:45 Philip said come see the one Moses wrote about in the Law and which the prophets wrote about, Jesus of Nazareth
So it is you who refuse to see these passages prove Deut 18-18 applies to the Messiah never to Muhammad who hated the Jews
again see how you run & start bashing & saying lies about Mohammad pbuh. i told you show me where jesus said he is God, or said Worship me, yet its not in anywhere, you just take verses from other places & twist them, i cant talk about Deut 18:18 & prove to you thru logic that its about Mohammad pbuh, but would you look or even awnt to see. it never applied to the Messiah, there was nothing common between him & Moses pbuh except being prohets & jews. as simple as that. but nothing else
Deuteronomy 18:18 applied to the coming of the Messiah
and Jesus said in John 5:46 that if you believed Moses you would believe me for Moses wrote about me
and in John 1:46 which Philip said come see the one Moses and the prophets wrote about, Jesus
The only biblical passages that fortold of Muhammad is Mt 7-15 beware of false prophets or ferocious wolves who come to you dressed in sheep's clothing
I don't need to lie or to apply Taqiyah because I am not a Muslim
Deuteronomy 18:18 applied to the coming of the Messiah
Jesus said in John 5:46 that if you believed Moses you would believe me for Moses wrote about me
John 1:46 states Philip said come see Jesus the one Moses and the prophets wrote about
The only biblical passages that fortold of Muhammad is Mt 7-15 beware of false prophets or ferocious wolves who come to you dressed in sheep's clothing
I don't need to lie or to apply Taqiyah because I am not a Muslim
i u want to talk, then start from Point Zero, otherwise i wont reply to any of ur ignorance, coz u had been lying and saying lies ONLY.
IS JESUS GOD.
LETS DEFINE GOT AT FIRST. "COMMON GROUND" then we go from there.
is it too hard for you to go with, or u need to go with the bashing & insults which u grow up learning to pull on those who does not accept your faith.
If Jesus was only a Rabbi I would still love him for he loved and helped people
If Jesus said he was only a servant of God, I would accept it but he himself said he gave us eternal life and only God can do that and Jesus himself said he is in all people on earth and that ability is strickly the one true feature of the One True God
All this time that I spoke you, I never told you I experienced the presence of God 30years ago
it took me that long to study before I learnt Jesus is God
Jesus died on the Cross as witnessed by his Mother Mary who stood at the foot of the cross in which Jesus spoke to her
The mere fact that an illiterate man like Muhammad even heard of Jesus and Mary was soley due to the fact that Jesus went to the cross otherwise no one would have heard of Jesus
Jesus was the only one in history to say he will rise himself from the dead to which he did, then only then did Christianity come into existence and not before
wish you show me, & the fact that an illiterate person comes with the Quran the miracle of miracles "that is a living miracle" & then a faith/religon that is conquoring the world inspite of all the fight against it, showes that there is a Mighty Power "that of God" that is supporting it.when tons of pastors & priests convert to islam, & never in the opposite direction.
coz the truth will overcome the falsehood no matter what..
Yes Jesus was crucified and Mother Mary was at the foot of the cross to testify to that fact for only after Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead did Christianity come into existence and not before and since Jesus was fortold to come as the Messiah and to die on the cross that means no prophet was sent after him but because the Bible of both the Jews and Christians proved Muhammad was a false prophet Muhammad hated both the Jews and Christians and he slaughtered them
see how you mix facts with lies, yes he was fortold the Messiah was fortold, & jesus is the Messiah, but it was never said he will die on the cross or that the messiah is God. just show your evidence, but you can never, coz its not there, except in the claims of Paul, its never there. & its the gospels that say all his deciples "fled" when he is suppsdly crussified,& yet i wonder how the desiple say he did that without saying mary told him this or that.see how you guys just hate islam & muslims
The Quran teaches Muslims to hate all non Muslims, they are taught to hate Christians who were falsely accused of worshiping plural gods, of falsifying their bible
Christians were hated for believing Jesus is the Son of God which is the basis of our belief
that you for the hate for muslims & islam about 1/3 of the worlds population, great LOVE your showing as you claim.
i wont argue here, start ONE talk about IS JESUS GOD. show me step by step and IF YOU ARE REALLY SURE then you will prove it., only ONE message at a time
For I told you I do not hate Muslims and that there is a distinqtion between Islam and Muslims
but Satan still has in his hands 1.2 billion deceived people who only think they bow down to God but they bow down to satan for satan hates people and he hates all he has not enslavened
It is ISLAM itself that hates 3/4 the world so get your numbers straight
again you are running away fwd, i told you to bring claims get evidence, or just i should "believe" you ?
im a muslim, & an arab, never grew up learning to hate anyone, so dont mix what few might do & put it on muslims & teachings of islam, as u dont want me to say christianty is what got slavery.
again, start from the first point.
IS Jesus God?
start by giving the charatersitics of God. then i would reply & we wll go from there.
Jesus died on the cross for it was his mission as fortold in Psalms 22 exaclty how he would die on the cross as well as other prophetic passages in the Torah and also in Revelations that when Jesus returns all will see him even those who pierced him
In order to promote Islam, Muhammad had to devalue his competors, in order to justify slaughtering Jews and Christians he had to falsely accuse them
for he invaded the Middle East forcing those who believed in one God to convert to Islam
hope you show which psalms exactly, as the one there is crying for God to save him, so how he could be "God" ?
Muhammad came with the Truth & it can be proven, not depending on the bible "contradictin txt" which is not the word of God.
as for the Middle East, you tell me what Romans was doing there ? its all Arabs & jews "semetics" & no one was forced to accept islam its christianty which was forced by the blade of the sword.
again, dont mump arround. all yoru saying about the prophet Mohammad pbuh is not true, i already showed u correct transaltions but u dont want to even see them.
so again,
IS Jesus God?
start by giving the charatersitics of God. then i would reply & we wll go from there
You showed me nothing nor can you because you do not know you are blind and in the darkness for darkness is fear, hatred, violence and all that Islam is
but you were taught that good people were evil and that non followers of satan were to be hated
even if jesus pbuh came & ur alive, & told u im not GOD, you will say NOOO YOU ARE, I BELIEVE YOU ARE. and you will go on after him saying he is hypocrat & lier coz he does not believe himself to be God.
AGAIN for the milion time
IS Jesus God?
start by giving the charatersitics of God. then i would reply & we wll go from there ...
The Messiah was fortold to come, that distinguishes him from all the other prophets for he came and that ended the call for prophets
There is a purpose in being the Messiah, he was not merely a prophet but the one fortold to come, he came
It is my own belief based on research of the Bible that Jesus is God, it is not the teachings of others for I did not know he is God from the teachings of others
My beliefs are really none of your dam business for you are already taught to hate Christians
Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia prove you are a liar because they nations suffered with Muslim terrorists and brutality
in which millions of people were slaughtered in recent modern times
Muslims wait until they are the majority then they cease the governments and slaughter the prior owners of the nations
Even your paradise is beneath the twin Swords, how you lie to yourself when anyone who reads the Quran can clearly see Islam is hate and war against all non Muslims
From the beginning you accused me of being a Muslim that is you accused me of lying and then you have the nerve to say now your showing the lies
Lebanon was entirely Christian, Lebanon welcomed the persecuted Palestinians who were slaughtered by the Jordanians,
Lebanon had the best schools and way of life in the entire Middle East, then Muslims multiplied and took over slaughtering the Christians that had taken them in
The sufferings in Lebanon were caused soley by the Muslims
Do you think Muslims can tell the true history of any nation?
No because deception is so much a part of your reality that you don't even realize it
I told you, you already reject everything I wrote
Block me because your brain is blocked anyway
You do have access to God, for you do not know you bow down to satan who Muhammad added before God because you deny Islam is a false religion of war using God
its you who is blocked, i asked you simply, start with is jesus God.
& about history of Lebanon, its my own country, & the history there is written by christians & muslims, who live there, so u hypocrat u put ur own version of what u want to be history & push it in the throts of people. we all in lebanon learn the same, goverment books & the president is CHRISTIAN, but again, ur religon is a fake as urself.
We will always lock horns because you think Islam is the truth but it is not, only God is the truth and God is already for all people on earth but Islam is against all non Muslims
What is God "crator of all" and what is his charateristics.
yes keep ignoring this part i will only repeat it for all the posts u put so others would see how you RUN AWAY from starting to talk on the basic levels & just want to push ur concepts
WHAT IS GOD/HIS CHARATERISTICS. THE ONE WHO CREATED ALL "HEAVENS & EARTH"
God is One there is no other, there is nothing and nobody that can exist outside of God
God is the Creator of both the universe and Paradise
God is all knowing, is all everlasting, is the beginning and the end, is the light, the truth, the resurrection, the way, the king of kings, who knows the secrets of our hearts and minds, who is compassionate, merciful, accessible, knowable to all humankind
God is all that is Good and there is no evil in God, God is not satan and satan is not a god
There is a difference between the Creator and the created
We are only to love or worship the Creator but we can marvel at God's awesome creation so long as we attribute the existence of creation onto God and so long as we do not worship any part of creation as a god
God alone exists and God can do anything, he came into humanform as he said he would and he returned to being the Omnipresence of the Creator Father who is forever with all humankind
please dong jump into "he came" part, we are still talking about GOD if you remember, not "preaching"
i know what u mean about worshiing him only & all the creation only reflects the greatness of the creator, not a physical part of him.
so please one step at a time.
u agree that God is not part of his creation ???
that for example, the mountains or animals or plants or cosmos are not "part" of God, as for example a painting u make is "not part of U" but it reflects that u r a painter right?
I was talking about God and I am not preaching because as I said you already reject everything I write and believe in
God is a spiritual being and that is pure energy
The universe is also pure energy but frozen energy that is made of dust and it is like a glove but God is the hand in the glove for it is written what we do onto others we do onto God for I said only God exists but we as a universe is part of God we are to worship God with our own spirit and spirit is our own heart and mind
most of the previous stuff like 95% i agree on regarding what god is and what god isnt.
but do you mean the univers existed with god, its as "old" "ancient" without begining like him???
what i think or belive in is that, the universe itself is created by God, even the Energy, & we can not apprehand how god is or such coz our minds r not fit to say he is bigger/smaller size & such.
all is created the engery & the laws of physics r created & set by God Almighty.
almost 95% i agree with as well, except apprehanding God Almighty tottaly for us "as humans".
yes i agree we are created and the point of our lives is to worship him only. coz if we do love him, we would worship him. right??? we would know him from his works & creation & mercies & all what he had given & showed us. right????
i swear i get what you mean by "we need god to have meaning of our lives" & I TOTTALY AGREE WITH IT. the purpose of us being created is to cherish/worship/love God, thru everything we do, thru every aspect of our lives, even smiling for another person could be a way for worshiping God.
Yes you are right, we need God to have meaning in our lives and we need God to have meaning and purpose for life itself
The purpose of us is to cherish, worship and love God
That is why we can know God for God created us to know and to experience God for that is the best way we can truly love God through everything we do, in every aspect of our lives
To Love and to Be loved is God's Will for all humankind
There is passage that says be still and know that I am God
it means you quiet your thoughts( best before sleeping and getting up in the morning)
First you acknowledge God is with you then you silence your thoughts as best as you can for God will speak to your heart and with your heart you will hear him though his voice is inaudible on purpose to the ears of our body but you will hear him in a way that will fill you with love and joy
Muhammad said God is compassionate cling to that fact with the totality of your being and add nothing bad to it
for God is always and only Compassionate and God is never evil
In all that you do in life acknowledge God is with you and God will reveal himself to you but you will learn God is good and God is honest and God requires you to be honest to him
You don't have to tell the world anything but you have to be honest to God and this will take on your part
from Adam who is considered a prophet coz he teached his children about God, till John the baptist "yahia/yohana" in arabic.
and the reason for the prophets is to call people to the way of God, & its each person's choice, to follow God & experience his mercy/compassion/greatness & rewards. or suffer his wrath later on. "like satan/ phero or nemrod who were tyrents & fought those who followed God
the part of Adam i dont tottaly agree with, yes he disobeyed God somehow, but was not the first, Satan was.
so the prophets are as i mentioned, to guide people back to the way of God, to give them the rules/outlines and such, how God wants them to worship him "regarding every aspect right" ??
by the way, just so you would know, all i accepted from what you said, is what the Quran says & Mohammad pbuh teaches. & i can give you exact refrences to them.
I know that all I said Muhammad said in the Quran but I also know that Muhammad took what he wanted from the bible because the Bible existed first and what I told you came from the bible
Be a Muslim but know that God is not Satan and hatred, violence, deception come only from satan
The Jews memorized their Bible, they followed every letter to the dot but they forgot repeatly that God is with them to guide them so instead they became fanatical and oppressive punishing those who broke the laws
You don't have to tell the world anything but you have to be honest to God and this will take time on your part as it will involving a training through time and experience
Do not judge yourself and do not judge others
For you could have been brought up with fear and fear causes people to be dishonest
The purpose of a tree is to be itself which benefits life with its oxygen etc
You will be taught to be your true self
When you experience Joy or Love then you are truly in God's presence
yea its not a the issue here, each is accountable for himself accepting God or not. and living to their best according to God's will/grace.
but you didnt told me why the prophets are sent thru times, isnt it to show or tell people what God wants them to do? specially that for each person the devil or their on greedness would pull them away bit by bit from God.
For example some prophecies took thousands of years to come into reality other prophecies happened quickly as when Jesus said that the Jews would be tossed out of Israel and their temple torn down which occurred 40 years after he said so
Doing bad things indeed pulls us away from awareness of God's presence but God does not pull away from us
God wants us to be the best we can be without hurting others
Muhammad claimed God sent many prophets out into the world which is untrue but ask yourself if 200,000 prophets were sent why did Muhammad then want to conquer the world to force the world to only accept Islam yet he said God guides whom he wills and God does not Guide whom he wills
The purpose of a prophet was to reveal God's promises and or to return people to the knowledge God alone is the best guidance for only God knows all things and only God is with all people on earth
Right this minute I am reading the Quran called the pen sura 68, many suras have a similar theme, in it Muhammad sees that some of those who hear his suras think he is crazy so he planned to revenge them for not submitting to him
Islam is only about Muhammad and it is in defense of him and it attacks those who reject him in their life time
God never sent Muhammad to warn people of Judgment day in fact Muhammad stold the idea of hellfire from a parable of Jesus
God chose from out of all the world, the Jews and only Jews could be prophets
God could have chosen Ishmael but he did not and that means no prophets came out of Ishmael and this means Ishmael was never a prophet
Muhammad slaughtered people, he robbed people of everything they had, he sold their little girls as slaves yet he chopped off people's hands for stealing, this behavior is of the devil having greediness for only the devil uses God to oppress people
Al I taught you how God is with you despite you are a Muslim
I never said leave Islam and join Christianity instead I taught you what is true for all people on earth regardless of their religion or lack of religion
You can use this knowledge despite you are a Muslim
You have the choice to believe God is only Compassionate or to believe god is hateful, violent, oppressive
If you chose the latter then you serve only Satan without your knowledge
something you should know & be sure of, you didnt taught me anything.
in islam one is either a muslim or not, one cant make up some understanding for him/her self & say i believe this but not that, islam is like a complete package.
& all what i agreed on & even told you & shared with you is what islam teaches.
what the Quran says & what the prophet Mohammad preached & teached & practiced thru his life.
so please no bashing, lets continue the talk one step after another.
Part 2 is who said Jesus is God, what and who, why and how is Jesus God
Jesus said he is God that is why he was sent to the cross but that is also why he rose from the dead and despite he rose from the dead he knew people would still doubt his claim that he is God so he focused on those who did believe and he taught them and proved to them that he is in them to guide them, for that was the purpose of coming into humanform and he chose to go to the cross for he could have walked away
you say he said this & he said that. "about Jesus pbuh". you said god said this god said that, where, show me please, dont throw tons of things together, one point after another. u said u reached this after extensive study. so one point after anohter.
again i wont comment on this tho i can, but i will wait for the one point after another. coz if u look in the bible itself when god sends moses to phero, read urself how he tells moses "over & over" that he will harden his heart & refuse to let the israelits out with Moses.
so please lets carry on one point after another. step by step, carry one point after another. till we are over it then continue.
thank you & please dont put many things together, one point after another so we give it time.
ok you jumped up way far to many preaching, we are talking about God, now
what got Jesus into being God?
why, and who and said who?
& please be sure nobody bring anybody up on fear and dishonesty, im grew up in usa, so no fear of anything here. as well tons of muslims all over the west & world.
what and who is Jesus, is he God
how & why, this is the 2nd part of our talk.
coz the issue of God we already agreed like 90% on it, about his attributes & charatersitics.
God said he would come into humanform for he would never send someone else to die on the cross instead he would come himself for that is how God is and Muhammad denied that Jesus even went to the cross which is an insane lie
There is only One true God who created the universe and all of life
He came into humanform to teach us how he is and to reveal he knows us intimately so that he could teach us he is already in every person on earth at the same time
Saying Muhammad was not a prophet is not attacking but saying the truth
I know the reasons Muhammad gave as to why Islam exists but all his claims were false claims
Any truth in the Quran was taken from others,
Anything you understood about God was taken by Muhammad from others, he even took hell fire from Revelations and made a religion on it claiming he was a plain warner
you are putting claims & saying its true, yet it can all be discussed but, for now we are talkign the main major thing, about God. and we agreed what God is for a huge extant.
now about you mentioning God wanting to come & die for us on cross.
why??
i asked you for evidnce that support this, you said "bible says" i asked WHERE. i would like to see, please be specific in refrences as i will check them then talk back to u, & plz dont jump 2other issues
Look you, here is a site that is attacking Christianity
A debate between a Muslim and a Christian
what right has the Muslim to fight over the religions and what right had Muhammad to say Jesus didn't die on the cross
You Muslims attack my religion and when I say you people only do that because Muhammad was a false prophet who taught falsehood then you think I attack Muhammad when it was Muhammad who was the aggressor
Now I want to tell you al, you have your religion and I have mine, indeed we will never agree because no prophet was sent by God after the messiah came
Islam is a man made religion of all that is wrong with our world and it desires to conquer all the world and if it does then God gave this world over to satan
If you haven't the guts to distinguish good from evil, then you haven't the guts to face the truth that Islam is evil using God
Why do you think I have to prove my religion to you?
When Islam teaches you to hate and to wage war against the Christians, when you are taught lies about Jesus and Christianity
Examine your own religion and ask yourself if you can distinguish between the true God of creation who is compassionate and the false god of this world, satan who uses deception, terror, fear and violence to oppress his slaves
It is your religion not my religion that you should question
you say god/christ died for our sins, then great, show me, since its for "our" not only "your" but since as simple as the fact you cant get into jesus being God & prove it, you are jumping arround.
or can you prove to me Jesus is God???
if so, then great lets continue, if not, then say you cant prove it & its just "faith" coz from the bible & jesus words i can show u that he is not God
at least not the God U said that God is when we started the talk.
u just show me you dont know it over & over, when u keep saying "Mohammad said" another on the cross, yet its no where in the Quran, & the Quran is nto what Mohammad is saying, its what God is saying.
& yes run away say you dont need to prove anything coz simply you cant prove, u claim on a lousy scripture which the hindu scripure is more authontics from it.
if i started listing the errors in the bible & evil stuff would you dare to try to explain? or u will simply "close your eyes" ???
I knew from the very beginning that you believe only in Muhammad and that you are too afraid to question your own religion because Muhammad even said don't question your faith because it will be worse for you if you did and left Islam
That is true because he made sure of it by saying kill those who leave Islam
So Muslims invest their time putting their big nose into other people's religions which they are taught to totally reject
I do not close my eyes to the ancient history of the Jews in the bible but only Muhammad said hate the non believer see them as evil kill them where you find them and he meant the non believer of Muhammad and his suckers obeyed him
It is your own eyes that are closed
Only Islam teaches war to enter paradise
Only Islam says all your evil deeds will be forgiven if you fight for Islam
Only Islam offers virgins in paradise when paradise is knowing God
Sura 61:6 Muhammad claimed Jesus announced the coming of an apostle the ahmad when Jesus said the Holy Spirit would come to comfort his disciples while they lived not 500 years later and that the Holy Spirit to come already lives in all people on earth and with all people on earth (John 14-17) and clearly that proves Muhammad was never fortold to come by Jesus and that Muhammad was never an apostle
In fact it clearly proves Muhammad was a false prophet
I guess you also call jesus a liar and false prophet because he said in
Luke 21:25-33 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
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32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Yet that generation from the time of jesus has been dead and rotted away for over 1500 years, and still he has not returned, So please apply the same standard and reject jesus based on your bible.
I do not call Jesus a Liar, I call Muhammad a liar, Deedat and you
and all Muslims who fight against other people's religion, instead question the Quran and its hadith that teaches hatred, violence against all non Muslims serving only Satan
Luke 21:25-33 is not your dam business as is the whole bible that you were taught was falsified for Jesus is already with all people on earth and he has always been
John 14:20 for the clouds is symbolic for thoughts that block out of people's minds the awareness of God's presence
You naliakbar who has over 1000 Deedat videos fighting over Christianity and teaching only falsehoods thereby serving only Satan and worse is that you do not realize it but you will realize one day
Your purpose Naliakbar is not to educate as you are too afraid to question the hatred and violence in the Quran and Hadith that points to a man made religion using God to oppress others so to look good in the eyes of other Muslims you fight over other religions as Muslims did since Islam began
You pretend to want explanations for a bible you reject
Explain to yourself sura 5:33 in which in Serra Leon babies have both hands chopped off by Muslims
So you are now telling me that I need not look at you bible, the book that you take guidance from and then you are trying to guide me to it, how pathetic And why cant you apply the same standard which you hold muslims to?
You find a supposed issue with my quran using your bible and here I used your bible and found issue with the bible it's self and you are now trying to tell me that it is none of my business you are pathetic
As for questioning the quran and hadith, I have not came across anything that I questioned where I didnt find an answer. You are proof that christians cant be accountable to the standards which they lay forth, you call one a liar but you dont call the other a liar, when there is direct proof what he said didnt happen, did you forget judge not or you will be judged? That is where your problem is, because you dont want to be judged but you judge, pathetic
As for the 9000 or 1 million or what ever other "terrorist" attacks, I dont need to explain them, but if you want and explaination, then tell me why bush and his cronies attacked iraq under the pretence of weapons of mass destruction and to put the icening on the cake his reports had verses from the bible on the cover which tells us it was a religious war not a war for peace, so the answer to that would be the answer to the million "muslim" terrorist attack.
The Jews returned to Israel in 1948 which proves God honours his words in the Bible even if Muslims do not and it also proves only Muhammad made a false claim about the Bibles in order to teach the opposite of what God instructed people to do
God said love your neighbours but Muhammad said wage war with the non believer as is your neighbour
When you were taught to reject the Bible then the Bible is no longer your business
Question instead the violence and hatred taught in the Quran
Hey Hyprocrite, the man who expects freedom of speech but cant give the same to others
I am not taught to hate non muslims, most of my friends are non muslims, infact my family is comprised of non muslims, so your arguement is stupid and baseless.
As for the jews giong back to the land of canan, friend you are confused it was not god that put them there, it was the UN putting them there because no one wanted the jews in their country after hitler killed a few of them. As for my right to the bible, when you talk to me you qoute the bible, so I am to use the bible in discussion, why dont you proove your religion using my quran then I wont have to use the bible?
As for slaughter of jews and christians by Muhammad(saw) that is a blatent lie, because we have many hadiths of not only the prophet but even the followers of the prophet taking care of their jewish and christian neighbors, and there are christians that do worship mary as the mother of god, so please dont pretend that only your sect of christianity exists.
As for war of islam, friend go and read there are restrictions placed infront of any muslim before he fights war go read some more, you will find that when there is a confilct we are to seek peace, and if that does not work then invite to islam and make them brothers so there is no reason to fight and if that doesnt work then fight. Any "muslim" who does not do that is not following the path of truth and therefore I dont need to defend any of them.
As for bush's war, he fought it under the christian banner, that is becoming more and more apparent as things surface, so be it that you like it or not, it was as bush called it after 9-11 a crusade, so it is tied to yoru religion.
he reads a word "kill/fight" and jumps arround "their wishes" & they write stuff out of their imagination & claim thats the Quran, when they dont ever know what the word Quran means. they just jump arround bouncing to avoid answering then say "the bible say" when asked "show" they throw something out of context & continue running.
just weridos, that Allah said had seald their hearts on the darkness & makes them tick.
is not God, never was and all Christians knew that but they ask her to pray to God on their behalf because they think God will listen more to her than to them
Your idea of peace, is indeed we invite them to Islam, but if they refuse, then you wage war, so don't pretend Islam is a religion of peace because it is a religion of war against All non believers
istn that idol worshiping, to have intercessors, what Moses said NOT TO DO, the 10 commandments said not to think of "air/eart/see" but noo, you brought up jesus & as well Mary, and they are innocent of all your balspheming.
see what "worship" means. you worship of hate, coz it drives you & makes you go arround bashing islam & muslims adn the greatest man ever lived MOHAMMAD peace & blessings be upon him.
If Christians chased after you to baptise you it was to enable you to experience how God is with you to guide you which in turn removes your sufferings and restores you to paradise
Christians don't chase after you to kill you for only Muslims do that for only Muslims slaughtered people worldwide as it is an Islamic duty taught by Muhammad who said war is prescribed to you even if you do not like it
hehehe see again how you are a lier, and a hpyocrat. when i answered & covered all ur supposdly qotations of the Quran, you jump to same old record, why??
all that coz i said now DEFINE JESUS after we defined what God is and what God is not?
you ran fwd & starthing throwing things right & left panicing coz you cant face the truth yourself. when there is evidences
Jesus came into humanform and his humanform retained the laws of nature but he died on the cross and he rose from the dead to return to being the Father so that he could teach he is in all people on earth
You have your beliefs and I have mine we can never agree because no prophet was sent after the Messiah only false prophets came
I don't need your acceptance or approval of my beliefs for I know the Quran's hatred towards all non Muslims and I rather die a non Muslim
ok so now are you ready to compare jesus to God???
coz i said tell me how jesus is like GOD or is GOD??? i want direct bible things, specially from him. to see if he says he is god, or implies that he is the ALMIGHTY
Maybe you have time to sit around licking your wounds but I don't have time to watch you
As for your request, it is like you being blind asking me to show you things
Jesus said in John 14:20 on that day you learn of the Holy Spirit you will learn I am in you and you are in me, just as I am in the Father, the Father is in me
This ability to be in all people on earth is how Jesus will manifest for Judgment and it proves at the same time he is God and that Muhammad was a false prophet
if you want to qote this john 14:20, then "they are also Gods" coz its the same as you said "that just disprofes the tirnity" does not support it mr Hypocrat. coz you say he said "god in me" & he says now he is in them "he is go & god is in him so they are God as well"
not "all people since its spoken to all decipels "including juda"
I write on Deedat videos because on every single video Deedat lied
He took advantage that most people do not know either the Bible or the Quran
but God does not use liars to teach about God only Satan uses liars
I am solid about my religion because Christianity teaches me how to know and to experience God
I speak on these Islamic videos because they lie to unsuspecting people promoting Islam the only man made religion of war while pretending Islam is a religion of peace
loll you cannot be serious lollllllll,, so anis shorrosh is not a lier? jay smith? sam shamoun? i can go on and on, tell me what Ahmed deedat lied about please.
Did I say Shorrosh was a liar? I said Deedat was a liar.
Deedat said the gospel of John confirms Muhammad because the pronoun (he) was mentioned
Since Deedat professed to be a biblical scholar, he knew a mere pronoun is not proof and he also knew that Jesus never said an apostle would come (sura 61:6) but that the Holy Spirit who lives with and lives in all people on earth would come to Jesus'own disciples while they lived (John 14:17) thereby proving Muhammad was a false prophet
A true prophet would have brought you to the knowledge how God is with you to guide you away from hell into paradise as paradise is knowing God's love for you
for that is the meaning of taking you out of the darkness into the light
It means taking you away from all human sufferings into the awareness of the presence of God who guides you through Intuition
if your 'God' says to me 'why diddnt you believe i came down as a man and died for you, and why diddnt you believe in the bible''. i would say oh God sorry for thinking your too perfect to come down as a mere man and die, sorry for not beleiving the bible is from you because i thought you was soo perfect that anything with a mistake cannot be from you,sorry for saying your 1 not 3,sorry for thinkin coming out a virgina is an insult towards you.would i really desrve hell??come on man think!!
God has always been with every person on earth to this day and God desires people to learn that fact for it would end hell on earth and restore the world back to paradise and the way he chose to teach us He is in us to guide us is by coming into humanform
Only Muhammad pretended to praise Jesus but he hated both Jews and Christians and slaughtered them
Think is your god allah satan because only satan is a liar, an oppressor, a hater and a murderer which is Islam
john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
definition of Beget "SIRE" "produce as a father"
but no, now you want to give it another meaning???
i asked you million times what begets means & where u come with those explanations of the bible.
told you show me what jesus is and how he is & then lets compare him to GOD to see if he is "GOD" as you claim, but NOOO you dont
You see the speck of filth in another's eye but you overlook the log in your own
You have 1000 Deedat videos attacking Christianity with your Islamic ignorance of this faith so when I stand up to you then you ban me which makes you the hypocrite
the weird thing is that you say we are attacking christianty, yet see how christains are like dogs running after muslim nations & people wanting to "baptise them" so we show your lies & stupidty
wha is BEGOTEEN NOT MADE means, you ran away, BEGET "PROUCE THRU SEX" but again, we need someone who can think or do have brains, sadly seems im not talking to one. SADLY!!!
Gabriel said to Mary she would give birth to the son of God
No where does it claim God had sex with Mary for God is not Satan and God who created sexuality for all life forms has the highest morals and values of all
God only had to say and it was so but Muhamamd who said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like Jesus died instead also said that God begetteth not and he is not begotten because he knew Christians believed Jesusto be the Son of God which means God incarnate
God created the universe, he created all life on earth and he created sexuality but he never had sex with Mary that accusation came from the false prophet Muhammad
Gabriel said the Holy Spirit will over Shadow thee which means he will protect her from being stoned to death as Muslims still do to this day
My Quran version sura 4:157 states yet they slew him not and they crucified him not but they had only his likeness
that sex thing comes from you guys coz you jumped BEGOTEEN word again which has ONE & ONLY ONE MEANING.
there is quran translation not "version" Quran is only Quran when its the Arabic as recited by the Prophet pbuh till now.
"laken shobeha lahom" thats a transliteration which means somehow "but it was respebeld to them" how or what the Quran does not says. so dont put in the Quran whats not there my Hypocrat,coz its only Arabic,it was made to "them" not he was or such.
when he tells them "my mother was a chested woman, & my father was a noble/respectable man. so was his father & father & father.
at least i know who is my dad, & my mom was not "pre-used/tested" or i dont know how is my dad.
honor & pride, something u never heared of or knew or would know. thank God my mom is not F*** arround or my sisters, they are pure & clean not full with STDs & live like PIGS as the hpocrats as yourself & those you know
see what 5:18 says you ignorant, its telling the jews & chrisitans if you say you are the "loved ones & children of God" then why God punishes you & put you in those ordeals.
& 9:52 talks about the hypocrats who claims to be muslims. yet does not do the good things Allah told them to do.
9:30 yes coz of your claims Allah is very Mad at you for balspheming.
see how you jump from verse in the middle to one after then before
9:14 "see 9:13" when it says fight those who started it. yet do you C
Muslims always say non Muslims who quote the Quran always take passages out of contexts
but the world saw Muslims beheading non Muslims and that instruction to behead comes from the Quran that says strike terror into the non believer, strike off their heads and finger tips sura 8:12
and there is when you encounter the non believers, strike off their heads till you have made a great slaughter among them sura
Mr Hypocrat, its talking about the battle of Bader "first batter in Muslim history, 314 muslism against 1000 pagens who went to demolish islam & end it, so you expect God to tell the muslisms TURN THE OTHER CHEECK? or to tell the muslims to fight fearloussly & that he will support them & bring them victory. "as he gave Moses pbuh.
see the history of that battle, what muslims had & what pagens had & judge for yourself if it was not grace of God that muslims won.
is it a waste of time if I downloaded this man's speech? :S
LOL I know it is but I just want to SAY IT OUT LOUD! XD
livingonmyon 1 year ago
yes u christain do believe in vain, u also believ e jesus is god. so u believe god was cruxified.
even though jesus states in the bible clearly "i am son of man"
786mansoor786 2 years ago
Whoever say that Muhamad taught that Jesus didn't die on the cross. May I ask was Muhamad the eye withness of the crusification as compare to Mark, John and Peter who were the historical eye withnesses. How can you imagine that the Roman soldiers allow the replacement when Pilate already ordered to crucify Jesus. Defying the order of Roman governor will have to die. So to think that someone replace Jesus on the cross is absurd. If Jesus had not died and rose again we christians believed in vain
justiceye 2 years ago
According to bible. None of Christ Apostales were there at the time of Crucifixtion. YOur own bible says. THEY ALL FORSOOK HIM AND FLED.. Explain that first ??
mjoe1111211 2 years ago
The fled the Garden. It is well documented that many of Jesus' followers were at the crucifixion.
jorsak 2 years ago
c the cat mate ur very ill. ur going round and round. tel ur dad that he will have 2 pay 4 ur sins c what what he says or ask any liltle kid i'm sure they will tell u 2 stick it up ur a**.
kamal280878 2 years ago
"c the cat mate"
I have no idea what that means.
Please study God's law before telling me what I do or don't know or using the insinuation of profanity.
God's law requires sacrifice for sin. (Leviticus 16:15-16, 17:11, Hebrews 9:22)
God's prophets stated that the messiah would come to be that sacrifice (Isaiah 53:4-6, 10, 12)
God's messiah plainly stated that he came to die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34) exactly HOW he would die (Mt 20:19,26:2) and exactly WHY he must die (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
which is plainly stated in Matthew 26:28, "for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."
Plain. Clear. Simple.
Islam denies God's law, God's prophets, and the Messiah himself.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
no they were not eye witness pls check ur facts. b cos the bible(book) says they forsok and fled(runaway) b4 he was put on the X
kamal280878 2 years ago
False. They fled the scene of the arrest. It does not say the fled the scene of the crucifixion. There were many present at the cross.
IE. John 19 which gives you a list of some present:
But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
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Muhammad taught that Jesus didn't die on the cross but that another who looked like Jesus died instead which is insane
Muhammad pretended to praise Jesus but downsized and used Jesus to endorse himself which failed because Jesus never announced the coming of Muhammad rather he said the Holy Spirit that lives in all people on earth would come and he came 500 years before Muhammad
The mere fact that Muhammad even heard of Jesus was solely because Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead
BonjourNuit4 2 years ago
loll once ears have been sealed and eyes have been covered theres nothing that can be done.you are living proof.anyways brother this back and forthe stuff is getting silly.peacee
pillgrimz 2 years ago
The Quran states Jesus never died on the cross but another who looked like him died instead
but the only reason Muhammad heard about Jesus was due to the fact Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead
No one else in existence claimed he would rise from the dead except Jesus and Jesus rose from the dead for that is when Christianity came into existence
It is outrageous to claim someone else died in place of Jesus when Jesus' Mother was at the foot of the cross and Jesus spoke to her
BonjourNuit31 2 years ago
Muslims know there is One God not because of Muhammad but because of the Jews
Muslims know about Abraham not because of Muhammad but because the Jews recorded Abraham
Muhammad heard about Jesus only because Jesus went to the cross and rose from the dead otherwise Muhammad would never have heard about Jesus
Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like him died instead
Muhammad claimed the Bibles were falsified to promote Islam a religion of war that uses God
BonjourNuit31 2 years ago
Jesus died on the Cross for then he rose from the dead and that is when Christianity came into existence and not before
But Muhammad claimed Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like him died instead
Mother Mary was at the foot of the cross, and Jesus spoke to her but Muhammad wasn't at the foot of the cross
yet the only reason Muhammad even heard about Jesus and Mary was because Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead
BonjourNuit20 2 years ago
when you do read the Quran, i mean translation, 'coz I READ ARABIC, so no twisting in the hatred & haters talks like yourself, you said he "Mohammad" pbuh said ONLY ONE GOD, now you jump from this to that, contradict urself, contradict the direct exact refrences of God's commands i gave you "from your bible" WHATEVER VERSION YOU HAVE, since you said "any" so which is GOD'S WORD, & which are the hypocrats words &bibles, yet you dont know
a movie confused the entire christian faith worldwide
alhanounn 2 years ago
Al it doesn't matter to you which version of the Bible I read because Muhamamd who could not read and did not know the languages of the Bibles claimed the Bibles of 2 religions was falsified
Only Muhammad accused Christians of worshiping 2 gods and Mary as a god to wage war with the Christians
There are many versions of the Quran as well which doesn't matter because only Muhammad taught hatred, violence and war which contradicted God and which proved only Muhammad used God to oppress people
BonjourNuit20 2 years ago
so simply you confess about versions of bible, so
which is the true one? which to follow, the OT, or NT, & which version of it, since you christians claim the law is dead, jews says NO & they say jesus is son of roman soldier raped Mary "may Allah punish them for such accusation. but yet, you went to extreme making him BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD " begoteen not made" yet again u look & then close your eyes and continue as if it was not there
alhanounn 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 18:18 will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
WHO IS THAT PROPHET, WHO R THE BROTHEREN OF THE ISRAELITES, ARENT THEY THE ARABS?????
& isnt Mohammad like Moses peace be upon both of them.& he is from the brotheren of the israelites, but again u will not accept 2 even see it, u will close your eyes & stop ur mind from functioning, just "believe" yea right
alhanounn 2 years ago
Yes us guys go around baptising people in the name of Christ
Christ itself means one with God
but most only symbolically baptise people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit who is Jesus
but Jesus himself still baptises with the Holy Spirit and that means he makes people aware of His Heavenly presence
For true Christianity allows us to become aware of God's presence and there is no greater experience in life but to experience God
If you don't like that we baptise too bad for you
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
yes u use lies, & u cant prove trinity, u go arround giving laime things, what is true christianty "gays/lesbians/ drugs/ adultry & illegal children???
to worship God its to be as God said to be worshiped not "just believe"
yea we dont like lies as nobody does, so we show the world how silly ur claims about God are, and how you bash Jesus pbuh by saying he is "Begotten Son of God" what did God according to you had Sex with Mary?
no other explantion in any dictionary for Beget. so run arround
alhanounn 2 years ago
I can prove the Trinity and I don't lie because I am not a Muslim
Muhammad did say God do battle with the Christians for saying Jesus is the Son of God, to justify slaughtering both Jews and Christians
but Gabriel said to Mary she would give birth to the son of God and Jesus referred himself as being the son of God, only Muhammad was a false prophet who proved it by his false teachings, contradictions and violence as well perversions
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
the arabs hate the Jews
Muhammad was not like Moses because Muhammad made no miracles and God called Moses to be a prophet he never called Muhammad to be a prophet Muhammad's family did as it was good busniness for the kaaba that they owned and it was Muhammad's family who said the spirit was Gabriel who guided Muhammad which is not true because God honours his promises and a true angel also honours God's words and God said he chose Isaac's lineage to be prophets not Ishmael
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
there are tons of Miracles done by Mohammad pbuh,but we dont go selling them arround saying "see" yet nothing to see,we have a living miracle the Quran, which sadly you only read twisted translations & put in it whats not there. but still u dont want to even look in your own bible. & i u ever really stuided the biography of Mohammad u will see that his relative who was a christian "not trinitarian" told him that his encounters were true & that he is the prophet fortold to come for "the world"
alhanounn 2 years ago
There are no miracles by Muhammad so stop lying even Muhammad confessed in the Quran he did no miracles until he came up with the bright idea that the Quran was a miracle when he had 2 scribes to verify each other and when the Quran came into existence after Muhammad died by his successors who hired 4 scribes
His Christian relative was wrong because Muhammad was never a prophet and he was never mentioned in any bible
The biography of Muhammad does not reflect the truth as in the Hadith
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
Deut 18:18 It is your own eyes that are blind for I told you there were 2 passages that proved Deut.18-18 applied to the messiah
and Jesus said in John 5:46 If you believed Moses you would believe me for Moses wrote about me and in John 1:45 Philip said come see the one Moses wrote about in the Law and which the prophets wrote about, Jesus of Nazareth
So it is you who refuse to see these passages prove Deut 18-18 applies to the Messiah never to Muhammad who hated the Jews
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
again see how you run & start bashing & saying lies about Mohammad pbuh. i told you show me where jesus said he is God, or said Worship me, yet its not in anywhere, you just take verses from other places & twist them, i cant talk about Deut 18:18 & prove to you thru logic that its about Mohammad pbuh, but would you look or even awnt to see. it never applied to the Messiah, there was nothing common between him & Moses pbuh except being prohets & jews. as simple as that. but nothing else
alhanounn 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 18:18 applied to the coming of the Messiah
and Jesus said in John 5:46 that if you believed Moses you would believe me for Moses wrote about me
and in John 1:46 which Philip said come see the one Moses and the prophets wrote about, Jesus
The only biblical passages that fortold of Muhammad is Mt 7-15 beware of false prophets or ferocious wolves who come to you dressed in sheep's clothing
I don't need to lie or to apply Taqiyah because I am not a Muslim
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
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Deuteronomy 18:18 applied to the coming of the Messiah
Jesus said in John 5:46 that if you believed Moses you would believe me for Moses wrote about me
John 1:46 states Philip said come see Jesus the one Moses and the prophets wrote about
The only biblical passages that fortold of Muhammad is Mt 7-15 beware of false prophets or ferocious wolves who come to you dressed in sheep's clothing
I don't need to lie or to apply Taqiyah because I am not a Muslim
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
BonjourNuit106,
i u want to talk, then start from Point Zero, otherwise i wont reply to any of ur ignorance, coz u had been lying and saying lies ONLY.
IS JESUS GOD.
LETS DEFINE GOT AT FIRST. "COMMON GROUND" then we go from there.
is it too hard for you to go with, or u need to go with the bashing & insults which u grow up learning to pull on those who does not accept your faith.
alhanounn 2 years ago
If Jesus was only a Rabbi I would still love him for he loved and helped people
If Jesus said he was only a servant of God, I would accept it but he himself said he gave us eternal life and only God can do that and Jesus himself said he is in all people on earth and that ability is strickly the one true feature of the One True God
All this time that I spoke you, I never told you I experienced the presence of God 30years ago
it took me that long to study before I learnt Jesus is God
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
but u just dont want to share & prove it, starting at ground ZERO, is jesus God
and what is God 'crator of all" his charateristics. BUT you are a hypocrat who made up his own idea & concepts. & u dont even accept to talk
alhanounn 2 years ago
BonJourNuit,
is Jesus God ??????//
please first of all, the first thing i want you to tell me the characteristics of God Almighty.
hope you carry on here ONLY
alhanounn 2 years ago
Jesus died on the Cross as witnessed by his Mother Mary who stood at the foot of the cross in which Jesus spoke to her
The mere fact that an illiterate man like Muhammad even heard of Jesus and Mary was soley due to the fact that Jesus went to the cross otherwise no one would have heard of Jesus
Jesus was the only one in history to say he will rise himself from the dead to which he did, then only then did Christianity come into existence and not before
No prophet was sent after the Messiah
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
where he said he will rise from the dead???
wish you show me, & the fact that an illiterate person comes with the Quran the miracle of miracles "that is a living miracle" & then a faith/religon that is conquoring the world inspite of all the fight against it, showes that there is a Mighty Power "that of God" that is supporting it.when tons of pastors & priests convert to islam, & never in the opposite direction.
coz the truth will overcome the falsehood no matter what..
again bring ur claims
alhanounn 2 years ago
Yes Jesus was crucified and Mother Mary was at the foot of the cross to testify to that fact for only after Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead did Christianity come into existence and not before and since Jesus was fortold to come as the Messiah and to die on the cross that means no prophet was sent after him but because the Bible of both the Jews and Christians proved Muhammad was a false prophet Muhammad hated both the Jews and Christians and he slaughtered them
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
see how you mix facts with lies, yes he was fortold the Messiah was fortold, & jesus is the Messiah, but it was never said he will die on the cross or that the messiah is God. just show your evidence, but you can never, coz its not there, except in the claims of Paul, its never there. & its the gospels that say all his deciples "fled" when he is suppsdly crussified,& yet i wonder how the desiple say he did that without saying mary told him this or that.see how you guys just hate islam & muslims
alhanounn 2 years ago
I am not a Muslim so I do not lie
as Muslims are taught to lie for Islam
The Quran teaches Muslims to hate all non Muslims, they are taught to hate Christians who were falsely accused of worshiping plural gods, of falsifying their bible
Christians were hated for believing Jesus is the Son of God which is the basis of our belief
All the disciples fled but Mary
was there at the cross and that has value
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
that you for the hate for muslims & islam about 1/3 of the worlds population, great LOVE your showing as you claim.
i wont argue here, start ONE talk about IS JESUS GOD. show me step by step and IF YOU ARE REALLY SURE then you will prove it., only ONE message at a time
alhanounn 2 years ago
I told you learn to read properly
For I told you I do not hate Muslims and that there is a distinqtion between Islam and Muslims
but Satan still has in his hands 1.2 billion deceived people who only think they bow down to God but they bow down to satan for satan hates people and he hates all he has not enslavened
It is ISLAM itself that hates 3/4 the world so get your numbers straight
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
again you are running away fwd, i told you to bring claims get evidence, or just i should "believe" you ?
im a muslim, & an arab, never grew up learning to hate anyone, so dont mix what few might do & put it on muslims & teachings of islam, as u dont want me to say christianty is what got slavery.
again, start from the first point.
IS Jesus God?
start by giving the charatersitics of God. then i would reply & we wll go from there.
alhanounn 2 years ago
Jesus died on the cross for it was his mission as fortold in Psalms 22 exaclty how he would die on the cross as well as other prophetic passages in the Torah and also in Revelations that when Jesus returns all will see him even those who pierced him
In order to promote Islam, Muhammad had to devalue his competors, in order to justify slaughtering Jews and Christians he had to falsely accuse them
for he invaded the Middle East forcing those who believed in one God to convert to Islam
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
hope you show which psalms exactly, as the one there is crying for God to save him, so how he could be "God" ?
Muhammad came with the Truth & it can be proven, not depending on the bible "contradictin txt" which is not the word of God.
as for the Middle East, you tell me what Romans was doing there ? its all Arabs & jews "semetics" & no one was forced to accept islam its christianty which was forced by the blade of the sword.
see history Again. so go to the beginging
is jesus God?
alhanounn 2 years ago
Psalms 22 begins with the line My God why have you forsaken me
This passage was inserted into the Christian bible to claim the prophecy of Psalms 22 was fulfilled by Jesus
Only Muhammad contradicted God
he claimed he spoke the truth but he did not
Only he took what he wanted from the Bible to make it appear as if he was a prophet but everything he took, he distorted teaching nothing about God
Even the people told him we could utter its like, it is mere tales of the ancients
sura 8:32
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
again, dont mump arround. all yoru saying about the prophet Mohammad pbuh is not true, i already showed u correct transaltions but u dont want to even see them.
so again,
IS Jesus God?
start by giving the charatersitics of God. then i would reply & we wll go from there
alhanounn 2 years ago
You showed me nothing nor can you because you do not know you are blind and in the darkness for darkness is fear, hatred, violence and all that Islam is
but you were taught that good people were evil and that non followers of satan were to be hated
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
very true i cant
coz you dont want to see
even if jesus pbuh came & ur alive, & told u im not GOD, you will say NOOO YOU ARE, I BELIEVE YOU ARE. and you will go on after him saying he is hypocrat & lier coz he does not believe himself to be God.
AGAIN for the milion time
IS Jesus God?
start by giving the charatersitics of God. then i would reply & we wll go from there ...
alhanounn 2 years ago
The Messiah was fortold to come, that distinguishes him from all the other prophets for he came and that ended the call for prophets
There is a purpose in being the Messiah, he was not merely a prophet but the one fortold to come, he came
It is my own belief based on research of the Bible that Jesus is God, it is not the teachings of others for I did not know he is God from the teachings of others
My beliefs are really none of your dam business for you are already taught to hate Christians
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
i dont need you to tell me he was fortold, we are saying so since over 1400 years ago & telling the jews that the Messiah is Jesus the son of Mary.
but Messiah does not mean "God or Son of God"
and thanks for this great language you are saying.
share your research from the start, is jesus God. tell me how you proved it to yourself.
afterall you should Share the jesus salvation right???
or you just "believe without proof" ?
alhanounn 2 years ago
Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia prove you are a liar because they nations suffered with Muslim terrorists and brutality
in which millions of people were slaughtered in recent modern times
Muslims wait until they are the majority then they cease the governments and slaughter the prior owners of the nations
Even your paradise is beneath the twin Swords, how you lie to yourself when anyone who reads the Quran can clearly see Islam is hate and war against all non Muslims
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
great, now your showing the lies,
im from Lebanon, so dont tell me about terroist & all that.
im from Beirut, & the slaughter that christian militas did in Sabra & shatila is 5 minutes walking from my old home.
check it out if you like.
so again dont push lies
IS Jesus God?
start by giving the charatersitics of God. then i would reply & we wll go from there..............
alhanounn 2 years ago
From the beginning you accused me of being a Muslim that is you accused me of lying and then you have the nerve to say now your showing the lies
Lebanon was entirely Christian, Lebanon welcomed the persecuted Palestinians who were slaughtered by the Jordanians,
Lebanon had the best schools and way of life in the entire Middle East, then Muslims multiplied and took over slaughtering the Christians that had taken them in
The sufferings in Lebanon were caused soley by the Muslims
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
now u r teaching me about the history of my own country, coooollll.
ok, how about water on Mars??? since you know everything, even know my country better then i.
see how you are FULL OF BS.
i wont bother & anwer again, coz you are the greatest hyprocrat, & im blocking you
so scream as usuall.
btw, u didnt told me about Atlantis, was it all christain as well.
what abt Mars?
did ur "God" came to them as green dude & the put him on a cross.
i seek refuge in Allah in people as YOU.
HYPOCRAT
alhanounn 2 years ago
Do you think Muslims can tell the true history of any nation?
No because deception is so much a part of your reality that you don't even realize it
I told you, you already reject everything I wrote
Block me because your brain is blocked anyway
You do have access to God, for you do not know you bow down to satan who Muhammad added before God because you deny Islam is a false religion of war using God
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
its you who is blocked, i asked you simply, start with is jesus God.
& about history of Lebanon, its my own country, & the history there is written by christians & muslims, who live there, so u hypocrat u put ur own version of what u want to be history & push it in the throts of people. we all in lebanon learn the same, goverment books & the president is CHRISTIAN, but again, ur religon is a fake as urself.
salam/peace
alhanounn 2 years ago
We will always lock horns because you think Islam is the truth but it is not, only God is the truth and God is already for all people on earth but Islam is against all non Muslims
Can't you admit that
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
start at ground Zero
What is God "crator of all" and what is his charateristics.
yes keep ignoring this part i will only repeat it for all the posts u put so others would see how you RUN AWAY from starting to talk on the basic levels & just want to push ur concepts
WHAT IS GOD/HIS CHARATERISTICS. THE ONE WHO CREATED ALL "HEAVENS & EARTH"
then we go from there .......................
alhanounn 2 years ago
God is One there is no other, there is nothing and nobody that can exist outside of God
God is the Creator of both the universe and Paradise
God is all knowing, is all everlasting, is the beginning and the end, is the light, the truth, the resurrection, the way, the king of kings, who knows the secrets of our hearts and minds, who is compassionate, merciful, accessible, knowable to all humankind
God is all that is Good and there is no evil in God, God is not satan and satan is not a god
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
just more info about "nobody exist outside of God" do you mean god in everything???
or you mean metaphorically that all is in existence by the grace & will/power of God ??
alhanounn 2 years ago
God is the Creator of the universe, God sustains all of life and all of life comes from God
I do not know what you mean with the question metaphorically that all is in existence by the grace and will power of God
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
i ment that in existence in God "as hindus means" that God is presnet himself in everthing, wanted to make sure its not so for what you said.
SO.....
everything "heavens/earth/pardise & all" is created by God, so God created place/space & time. so he is not part of his creation.
alhanounn 2 years ago
There is a difference between the Creator and the created
We are only to love or worship the Creator but we can marvel at God's awesome creation so long as we attribute the existence of creation onto God and so long as we do not worship any part of creation as a god
God alone exists and God can do anything, he came into humanform as he said he would and he returned to being the Omnipresence of the Creator Father who is forever with all humankind
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
please dong jump into "he came" part, we are still talking about GOD if you remember, not "preaching"
i know what u mean about worshiing him only & all the creation only reflects the greatness of the creator, not a physical part of him.
so please one step at a time.
u agree that God is not part of his creation ???
that for example, the mountains or animals or plants or cosmos are not "part" of God, as for example a painting u make is "not part of U" but it reflects that u r a painter right?
alhanounn 2 years ago
I was talking about God and I am not preaching because as I said you already reject everything I write and believe in
God is a spiritual being and that is pure energy
The universe is also pure energy but frozen energy that is made of dust and it is like a glove but God is the hand in the glove for it is written what we do onto others we do onto God for I said only God exists but we as a universe is part of God we are to worship God with our own spirit and spirit is our own heart and mind
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
most of the previous stuff like 95% i agree on regarding what god is and what god isnt.
but do you mean the univers existed with god, its as "old" "ancient" without begining like him???
what i think or belive in is that, the universe itself is created by God, even the Energy, & we can not apprehand how god is or such coz our minds r not fit to say he is bigger/smaller size & such.
all is created the engery & the laws of physics r created & set by God Almighty.
do u agree to that?
alhanounn 2 years ago
I mean God always existed but the universe did not always exist
The Universe is created by God and God loves Creation
It is untrue that we cannot know God for I said God created us to experience God,
We can know God that does not mean we can know all that God knows because only God knows everything
We need God not only to live but we need God to render life meaningful
To me there is no point to life itself without Knowing God, that is the sole importance of life is to know God
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
almost 95% i agree with as well, except apprehanding God Almighty tottaly for us "as humans".
yes i agree we are created and the point of our lives is to worship him only. coz if we do love him, we would worship him. right??? we would know him from his works & creation & mercies & all what he had given & showed us. right????
alhanounn 2 years ago
Yes if we love God then that is true worship
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
i swear i get what you mean by "we need god to have meaning of our lives" & I TOTTALY AGREE WITH IT. the purpose of us being created is to cherish/worship/love God, thru everything we do, thru every aspect of our lives, even smiling for another person could be a way for worshiping God.
right?
alhanounn 2 years ago
Yes you are right, we need God to have meaning in our lives and we need God to have meaning and purpose for life itself
The purpose of us is to cherish, worship and love God
That is why we can know God for God created us to know and to experience God for that is the best way we can truly love God through everything we do, in every aspect of our lives
To Love and to Be loved is God's Will for all humankind
You got it alhanounn
Blessings To YOU!
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
ok, now what is the best way to worship God? and how would we know God?
can we figure it out ourselves?
or its God who would guide us to him "salvation" & then we either choose to follow that path or not
do you agree to that?
alhanounn 2 years ago
God will help you to figure it out
First you must ask to become aware of his loving presence because God is with all people on earth but God does not impose himself upon anyone
Then in all you do know God will guide you to do what is right and God will guide you away from sufferings
God communicates with your true self or soul via intuition even via dreams
God will lead you out of darkness into his loving presence which is true paradise
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
There is passage that says be still and know that I am God
it means you quiet your thoughts( best before sleeping and getting up in the morning)
First you acknowledge God is with you then you silence your thoughts as best as you can for God will speak to your heart and with your heart you will hear him though his voice is inaudible on purpose to the ears of our body but you will hear him in a way that will fill you with love and joy
Try it
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
You asked how do we know God?
Muhammad said God is compassionate cling to that fact with the totality of your being and add nothing bad to it
for God is always and only Compassionate and God is never evil
In all that you do in life acknowledge God is with you and God will reveal himself to you but you will learn God is good and God is honest and God requires you to be honest to him
You don't have to tell the world anything but you have to be honest to God and this will take on your part
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
again im like 90% in tottal agree with you.
but God sent us prophets right?
from Adam who is considered a prophet coz he teached his children about God, till John the baptist "yahia/yohana" in arabic.
and the reason for the prophets is to call people to the way of God, & its each person's choice, to follow God & experience his mercy/compassion/greatness & rewards. or suffer his wrath later on. "like satan/ phero or nemrod who were tyrents & fought those who followed God
right?
alhanounn 2 years ago
Even though you are a Muslim I am telling you what you can do to know God who is with you
Adam was not a prophet but the first to disobey God
With Moses when the mountain shook the people were afraid and asked for prophets instead of wanting God but
The purpose of a prophet was to return you to the knowledge that God guides best and that God is with you
To be taken out of darkness into the light is to be taken out of fear, pain, hatred sufferings into the presence of God who is with you
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
the part of Adam i dont tottaly agree with, yes he disobeyed God somehow, but was not the first, Satan was.
so the prophets are as i mentioned, to guide people back to the way of God, to give them the rules/outlines and such, how God wants them to worship him "regarding every aspect right" ??
by the way, just so you would know, all i accepted from what you said, is what the Quran says & Mohammad pbuh teaches. & i can give you exact refrences to them.
alhanounn 2 years ago
I know that all I said Muhammad said in the Quran but I also know that Muhammad took what he wanted from the bible because the Bible existed first and what I told you came from the bible
Be a Muslim but know that God is not Satan and hatred, violence, deception come only from satan
The Jews memorized their Bible, they followed every letter to the dot but they forgot repeatly that God is with them to guide them so instead they became fanatical and oppressive punishing those who broke the laws
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
I will say not all men who claimed to be prophets were true prophets
True prophets do not wage war against non believers only satan only does that
True prophets help you know God is with you so that God can guide you
True prophets do not slaughter people for power fortune and female slaves
A true prophet does not steal from other prophets and he does not add satan before God as did Muhammad
Be a Muslim but Jesus died on the cross
Now I have to go
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
God will guide us to him "salvation" and we either chose to follow that path or not for God does not impose his love upon us, we must want Him
When you quiet your thoughts, you only have to do so for a few minutes and the more you do so, the more you will perceive His loving Presence
There is no greater knowledge or experience in all of life then to know God is with you and that you can know God for yourself
For that is a God given right
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
You don't have to tell the world anything but you have to be honest to God and this will take time on your part as it will involving a training through time and experience
Do not judge yourself and do not judge others
For you could have been brought up with fear and fear causes people to be dishonest
The purpose of a tree is to be itself which benefits life with its oxygen etc
You will be taught to be your true self
When you experience Joy or Love then you are truly in God's presence
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
yea its not a the issue here, each is accountable for himself accepting God or not. and living to their best according to God's will/grace.
but you didnt told me why the prophets are sent thru times, isnt it to show or tell people what God wants them to do? specially that for each person the devil or their on greedness would pull them away bit by bit from God.
right?
alhanounn 2 years ago
Yes each is accountable for himself
A prophet makes prohecies
For example some prophecies took thousands of years to come into reality other prophecies happened quickly as when Jesus said that the Jews would be tossed out of Israel and their temple torn down which occurred 40 years after he said so
Doing bad things indeed pulls us away from awareness of God's presence but God does not pull away from us
God wants us to be the best we can be without hurting others
BonjourNuit106 2 years ago
Muhammad claimed God sent many prophets out into the world which is untrue but ask yourself if 200,000 prophets were sent why did Muhammad then want to conquer the world to force the world to only accept Islam yet he said God guides whom he wills and God does not Guide whom he wills
The purpose of a prophet was to reveal God's promises and or to return people to the knowledge God alone is the best guidance for only God knows all things and only God is with all people on earth
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
i wont comment on this,coz if u want to deny this then u r denying all the prophets in the bible aswell.
so lets carry on with one point at a time.
alhanounn 2 years ago
Right this minute I am reading the Quran called the pen sura 68, many suras have a similar theme, in it Muhammad sees that some of those who hear his suras think he is crazy so he planned to revenge them for not submitting to him
Islam is only about Muhammad and it is in defense of him and it attacks those who reject him in their life time
God never sent Muhammad to warn people of Judgment day in fact Muhammad stold the idea of hellfire from a parable of Jesus
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
God chose from out of all the world, the Jews and only Jews could be prophets
God could have chosen Ishmael but he did not and that means no prophets came out of Ishmael and this means Ishmael was never a prophet
Muhammad slaughtered people, he robbed people of everything they had, he sold their little girls as slaves yet he chopped off people's hands for stealing, this behavior is of the devil having greediness for only the devil uses God to oppress people
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
Al I taught you how God is with you despite you are a Muslim
I never said leave Islam and join Christianity instead I taught you what is true for all people on earth regardless of their religion or lack of religion
You can use this knowledge despite you are a Muslim
You have the choice to believe God is only Compassionate or to believe god is hateful, violent, oppressive
If you chose the latter then you serve only Satan without your knowledge
and that is absolute
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
something you should know & be sure of, you didnt taught me anything.
in islam one is either a muslim or not, one cant make up some understanding for him/her self & say i believe this but not that, islam is like a complete package.
& all what i agreed on & even told you & shared with you is what islam teaches.
what the Quran says & what the prophet Mohammad preached & teached & practiced thru his life.
so please no bashing, lets continue the talk one step after another.
alhanounn 2 years ago
Here you are claiming I am bashing Muhammad when it is your site that bashes Christianity
Deedat hated Whites and Christianity
He was a scholar yet he purposely quoted sometimes only half a passage because he knew most people do not know either the Bible or the Quran
yet he knew had he quoted the whole passage it would have contradicted him
I worked with Muslims long enough to know them and I know even if I spend hours explaining things to you, that you already rejected what ever I write
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
Part 2 is who said Jesus is God, what and who, why and how is Jesus God
Jesus said he is God that is why he was sent to the cross but that is also why he rose from the dead and despite he rose from the dead he knew people would still doubt his claim that he is God so he focused on those who did believe and he taught them and proved to them that he is in them to guide them, for that was the purpose of coming into humanform and he chose to go to the cross for he could have walked away
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
you say he said this & he said that. "about Jesus pbuh". you said god said this god said that, where, show me please, dont throw tons of things together, one point after another. u said u reached this after extensive study. so one point after anohter.
alhanounn 2 years ago
I merely told you how God is with all people on earth
Take it or leave it
You want to debate over my religion when it is not your affair
You were taught falsehood about Christianity and you were commanded only to obey Muhammad
but I am doing a comparative study on religions which forces me to study Islam
I see the threats he carried out, I see what you cannot see because you are forced to believe Muhammad's every word
but what people believe I compare to what is true about God
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
There is a formula to determine what comes from man and what comes from God
What comes from man is oppression, violent, hateful but what comes from God is all the universe and life itself
All that is good is of God and all that is bad is from satan
Satan is not a revival god but the beliefs of humankind that blind people from perceiving God's presence in one's life and in the life of all people
The quest of God is to remove satan in order to remove all forms of human sufferings
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
You and I have meant each other through God's active presence in our world
God is with every person on earth
Those who seek peace, mercy and compassion are God's true servants
God desires to bring upon this world heaven for all humankind
He has the ability to restore people from all illnesses back to health
He can cure people of evil, insanity, even death and restore them back to life
The purpose of life is To love and be loved by God which is God's will for all people
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
again i wont comment on this tho i can, but i will wait for the one point after another. coz if u look in the bible itself when god sends moses to phero, read urself how he tells moses "over & over" that he will harden his heart & refuse to let the israelits out with Moses.
so please lets carry on one point after another. step by step, carry one point after another. till we are over it then continue.
thank you & please dont put many things together, one point after another so we give it time.
alhanounn 2 years ago
ok you jumped up way far to many preaching, we are talking about God, now
what got Jesus into being God?
why, and who and said who?
& please be sure nobody bring anybody up on fear and dishonesty, im grew up in usa, so no fear of anything here. as well tons of muslims all over the west & world.
what and who is Jesus, is he God
how & why, this is the 2nd part of our talk.
coz the issue of God we already agreed like 90% on it, about his attributes & charatersitics.
alhanounn 2 years ago
God said he would come into humanform for he would never send someone else to die on the cross instead he would come himself for that is how God is and Muhammad denied that Jesus even went to the cross which is an insane lie
There is only One true God who created the universe and all of life
He came into humanform to teach us how he is and to reveal he knows us intimately so that he could teach us he is already in every person on earth at the same time
This one feature is proof Jesus is God
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
again see how you jump arround, & started attacking & bashing Mohammad pbuh.
please again ONE STEP AT A TIME, dont jump into hundred thing together.
alhanounn 2 years ago
I don't attack Muhammad
I simply say what is true
Saying Muhammad was not a prophet is not attacking but saying the truth
I know the reasons Muhammad gave as to why Islam exists but all his claims were false claims
Any truth in the Quran was taken from others,
Anything you understood about God was taken by Muhammad from others, he even took hell fire from Revelations and made a religion on it claiming he was a plain warner
He took darkness and light
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
well yea this is attacking & running fwd.
you are putting claims & saying its true, yet it can all be discussed but, for now we are talkign the main major thing, about God. and we agreed what God is for a huge extant.
now about you mentioning God wanting to come & die for us on cross.
why??
i asked you for evidnce that support this, you said "bible says" i asked WHERE. i would like to see, please be specific in refrences as i will check them then talk back to u, & plz dont jump 2other issues
alhanounn 2 years ago
The prophecies of the coming of the messiah, is throughout the Torah
as in Psalms 22-16 which describes how Jesus dies on the cross..they have pierced my hands and feet
-when crucifixition was a Roman punishment
Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one calling in the desert prepare the way for the Lord 40:5 and the Glory of the Lord will be revealed
Isaiah 53:5 for he was pierced for our transgression...and by his wounds we are healed
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
Look you, here is a site that is attacking Christianity
A debate between a Muslim and a Christian
what right has the Muslim to fight over the religions and what right had Muhammad to say Jesus didn't die on the cross
You Muslims attack my religion and when I say you people only do that because Muhammad was a false prophet who taught falsehood then you think I attack Muhammad when it was Muhammad who was the aggressor
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
Now I want to tell you al, you have your religion and I have mine, indeed we will never agree because no prophet was sent by God after the messiah came
Islam is a man made religion of all that is wrong with our world and it desires to conquer all the world and if it does then God gave this world over to satan
If you haven't the guts to distinguish good from evil, then you haven't the guts to face the truth that Islam is evil using God
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
Why do you think I have to prove my religion to you?
When Islam teaches you to hate and to wage war against the Christians, when you are taught lies about Jesus and Christianity
Examine your own religion and ask yourself if you can distinguish between the true God of creation who is compassionate and the false god of this world, satan who uses deception, terror, fear and violence to oppress his slaves
It is your religion not my religion that you should question
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
you say god/christ died for our sins, then great, show me, since its for "our" not only "your" but since as simple as the fact you cant get into jesus being God & prove it, you are jumping arround.
or can you prove to me Jesus is God???
if so, then great lets continue, if not, then say you cant prove it & its just "faith" coz from the bible & jesus words i can show u that he is not God
at least not the God U said that God is when we started the talk.
all knowing/eternal, sustainer, etc ....
alhanounn 2 years ago
I told you I know the Quran
and its teachings on Jesus and Christianity
Muhammad said God do battle with the Christians for saying Jesus is the Son of God
I know Muhammad slaughtered those who rejected him
Despite Islamic hatred towards non Muslims
I say Jesus is God and I don't care what all Muslims think or believe
For I do not have to prove to you anything to you
It is my right to believe in my religion even if you hate me for it as I also know Only Muhammad was a false prophet
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
u just show me you dont know it over & over, when u keep saying "Mohammad said" another on the cross, yet its no where in the Quran, & the Quran is nto what Mohammad is saying, its what God is saying.
& yes run away say you dont need to prove anything coz simply you cant prove, u claim on a lousy scripture which the hindu scripure is more authontics from it.
if i started listing the errors in the bible & evil stuff would you dare to try to explain? or u will simply "close your eyes" ???
alhanounn 2 years ago
God never had sex with Mary, show me anywhere in any biblethat says God had sex with Mary
How dare you even say that when God created all humankind and God has the greatest morals and values of all
Only Muhammad had sex with his daughter,with a 9 year old,with his adopted son's wife and with a slave of one of his wives
Only Muhammad committed adultery yet he stoned 2 people to death
only Muhammad beheaded 600 men and robbed them of everything they had yet he chopped off the hand of a theif
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
I knew from the very beginning that you believe only in Muhammad and that you are too afraid to question your own religion because Muhammad even said don't question your faith because it will be worse for you if you did and left Islam
That is true because he made sure of it by saying kill those who leave Islam
So Muslims invest their time putting their big nose into other people's religions which they are taught to totally reject
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
infact im not afraid, im living in usa, & nobody can harm a hair on my body,but its you who put this idea & go arround preaching it.
but still you dont see the ruling of appostion in the Bible itself,
SPARE THEM NOT, thats all over SEE:
Deuteronomy 13:6-9, Deuteronomy 17:3-5, 2 Chronicles 15:13 ,
now the New testament: "by jesus Matthew 15:1-9" then your favorit Paul: Romans 1:20-32 , & Leviticus 20:27.
so what that is? ohhhh yea its the book of the moon people??? & u dare say "muslims"
alhanounn 2 years ago
I do not close my eyes to the ancient history of the Jews in the bible but only Muhammad said hate the non believer see them as evil kill them where you find them and he meant the non believer of Muhammad and his suckers obeyed him
It is your own eyes that are closed
Only Islam teaches war to enter paradise
Only Islam says all your evil deeds will be forgiven if you fight for Islam
Only Islam offers virgins in paradise when paradise is knowing God
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
Sura 61:6 Muhammad claimed Jesus announced the coming of an apostle the ahmad when Jesus said the Holy Spirit would come to comfort his disciples while they lived not 500 years later and that the Holy Spirit to come already lives in all people on earth and with all people on earth (John 14-17) and clearly that proves Muhammad was never fortold to come by Jesus and that Muhammad was never an apostle
In fact it clearly proves Muhammad was a false prophet
BonjourNuit108 2 years ago
I guess you also call jesus a liar and false prophet because he said in
Luke 21:25-33 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
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32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Yet that generation from the time of jesus has been dead and rotted away for over 1500 years, and still he has not returned, So please apply the same standard and reject jesus based on your bible.
naliakbar 2 years ago
I do not call Jesus a Liar, I call Muhammad a liar, Deedat and you
and all Muslims who fight against other people's religion, instead question the Quran and its hadith that teaches hatred, violence against all non Muslims serving only Satan
BonjourNuit7 2 years ago
Luke 21:25-33 is not your dam business as is the whole bible that you were taught was falsified for Jesus is already with all people on earth and he has always been
John 14:20 for the clouds is symbolic for thoughts that block out of people's minds the awareness of God's presence
You naliakbar who has over 1000 Deedat videos fighting over Christianity and teaching only falsehoods thereby serving only Satan and worse is that you do not realize it but you will realize one day
BonjourNuit7 2 years ago
Your purpose Naliakbar is not to educate as you are too afraid to question the hatred and violence in the Quran and Hadith that points to a man made religion using God to oppress others so to look good in the eyes of other Muslims you fight over other religions as Muslims did since Islam began
You pretend to want explanations for a bible you reject
Explain to yourself sura 5:33 in which in Serra Leon babies have both hands chopped off by Muslims
Explain the 9000 terrorists attackes since9/11
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
So you are now telling me that I need not look at you bible, the book that you take guidance from and then you are trying to guide me to it, how pathetic And why cant you apply the same standard which you hold muslims to?
naliakbar 2 years ago
You find a supposed issue with my quran using your bible and here I used your bible and found issue with the bible it's self and you are now trying to tell me that it is none of my business you are pathetic
naliakbar 2 years ago
As for questioning the quran and hadith, I have not came across anything that I questioned where I didnt find an answer. You are proof that christians cant be accountable to the standards which they lay forth, you call one a liar but you dont call the other a liar, when there is direct proof what he said didnt happen, did you forget judge not or you will be judged? That is where your problem is, because you dont want to be judged but you judge, pathetic
naliakbar 2 years ago
As for the 9000 or 1 million or what ever other "terrorist" attacks, I dont need to explain them, but if you want and explaination, then tell me why bush and his cronies attacked iraq under the pretence of weapons of mass destruction and to put the icening on the cake his reports had verses from the bible on the cover which tells us it was a religious war not a war for peace, so the answer to that would be the answer to the million "muslim" terrorist attack.
naliakbar 2 years ago
You were already taught to hate non Muslims, you were taught even to lie for Islam, to wait until you become the majority
but only Satan is a liar and a murderer and those who follow his ways serve only Satan and that is Islam
Only the Quran judged others saying exalt Islam over the other religions and conquer the world for Islam
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
The Jews returned to Israel in 1948 which proves God honours his words in the Bible even if Muslims do not and it also proves only Muhammad made a false claim about the Bibles in order to teach the opposite of what God instructed people to do
God said love your neighbours but Muhammad said wage war with the non believer as is your neighbour
When you were taught to reject the Bible then the Bible is no longer your business
Question instead the violence and hatred taught in the Quran
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
Naliakbar you can't read properly
sura 61:6 is Muhammad's vain attempt to claim Jesus endorsed Muhammad which backfired
Would Jesus have glad tidying towards Muhammad who slaughtered Jews and Christians not only in Saudi Arabia but throughout the Middle East?
who falsely accused Christians of worshiping 2 gods and Mary as a god
Instead Jesus said beware of false prophets who come to you as ferocious wolves dressed in sheep's clothing and that describes only Muhammad
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
Ask Bush why he attacked Iraq
I didn't see people in the streets yelling out death to Iraq, did you?
But I have seen Muslims in the streets yelling death to America
Muslims say first comes Saturday then comes Sunday
For Muhammad said war is
assigned to you even if you don't like it and those who do not fight are considered expendable
for only Islam is a religion of war against all non believers in the whole world because only Islam is from man using God to oppress people
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
Hey Hyprocrite, the man who expects freedom of speech but cant give the same to others
I am not taught to hate non muslims, most of my friends are non muslims, infact my family is comprised of non muslims, so your arguement is stupid and baseless.
naliakbar 2 years ago
As for the jews giong back to the land of canan, friend you are confused it was not god that put them there, it was the UN putting them there because no one wanted the jews in their country after hitler killed a few of them. As for my right to the bible, when you talk to me you qoute the bible, so I am to use the bible in discussion, why dont you proove your religion using my quran then I wont have to use the bible?
naliakbar 2 years ago
As for slaughter of jews and christians by Muhammad(saw) that is a blatent lie, because we have many hadiths of not only the prophet but even the followers of the prophet taking care of their jewish and christian neighbors, and there are christians that do worship mary as the mother of god, so please dont pretend that only your sect of christianity exists.
naliakbar 2 years ago
As for war of islam, friend go and read there are restrictions placed infront of any muslim before he fights war go read some more, you will find that when there is a confilct we are to seek peace, and if that does not work then invite to islam and make them brothers so there is no reason to fight and if that doesnt work then fight. Any "muslim" who does not do that is not following the path of truth and therefore I dont need to defend any of them.
naliakbar 2 years ago
As for bush's war, he fought it under the christian banner, that is becoming more and more apparent as things surface, so be it that you like it or not, it was as bush called it after 9-11 a crusade, so it is tied to yoru religion.
naliakbar 2 years ago
he reads a word "kill/fight" and jumps arround "their wishes" & they write stuff out of their imagination & claim thats the Quran, when they dont ever know what the word Quran means. they just jump arround bouncing to avoid answering then say "the bible say" when asked "show" they throw something out of context & continue running.
just weridos, that Allah said had seald their hearts on the darkness & makes them tick.
La Elaha Ella Allah, Mohammad Rasool Allah
baraka Allah feekom naliakbar
alhanounn 2 years ago
Mother Mary
is not God, never was and all Christians knew that but they ask her to pray to God on their behalf because they think God will listen more to her than to them
Your idea of peace, is indeed we invite them to Islam, but if they refuse, then you wage war, so don't pretend Islam is a religion of peace because it is a religion of war against All non believers
BonjourNuit20 2 years ago
istn that idol worshiping, to have intercessors, what Moses said NOT TO DO, the 10 commandments said not to think of "air/eart/see" but noo, you brought up jesus & as well Mary, and they are innocent of all your balspheming.
see what "worship" means. you worship of hate, coz it drives you & makes you go arround bashing islam & muslims adn the greatest man ever lived MOHAMMAD peace & blessings be upon him.
alhanounn 2 years ago
If Christians chased after you to baptise you it was to enable you to experience how God is with you to guide you which in turn removes your sufferings and restores you to paradise
Christians don't chase after you to kill you for only Muslims do that for only Muslims slaughtered people worldwide as it is an Islamic duty taught by Muhammad who said war is prescribed to you even if you do not like it
BonjourNuit27 2 years ago
hehehe see again how you are a lier, and a hpyocrat. when i answered & covered all ur supposdly qotations of the Quran, you jump to same old record, why??
all that coz i said now DEFINE JESUS after we defined what God is and what God is not?
you ran fwd & starthing throwing things right & left panicing coz you cant face the truth yourself. when there is evidences
alhanounn 2 years ago
Jesus came into humanform and his humanform retained the laws of nature but he died on the cross and he rose from the dead to return to being the Father so that he could teach he is in all people on earth
You have your beliefs and I have mine we can never agree because no prophet was sent after the Messiah only false prophets came
I don't need your acceptance or approval of my beliefs for I know the Quran's hatred towards all non Muslims and I rather die a non Muslim
BonjourNuit27 2 years ago
ok so now are you ready to compare jesus to God???
coz i said tell me how jesus is like GOD or is GOD??? i want direct bible things, specially from him. to see if he says he is god, or implies that he is the ALMIGHTY
alhanounn 2 years ago
Maybe you have time to sit around licking your wounds but I don't have time to watch you
As for your request, it is like you being blind asking me to show you things
Jesus said in John 14:20 on that day you learn of the Holy Spirit you will learn I am in you and you are in me, just as I am in the Father, the Father is in me
This ability to be in all people on earth is how Jesus will manifest for Judgment and it proves at the same time he is God and that Muhammad was a false prophet
BonjourNuit27 2 years ago
hehehe you are the dog who bark arround wastfull.
if you want to qote this john 14:20, then "they are also Gods" coz its the same as you said "that just disprofes the tirnity" does not support it mr Hypocrat. coz you say he said "god in me" & he says now he is in them "he is go & god is in him so they are God as well"
not "all people since its spoken to all decipels "including juda"
alhanounn 2 years ago
i see you on everysingle deedat video loll i think your in doubt about your christian faith otherwise you wouldent be on all these islamic videos.
pillgrimz 2 years ago
I write on Deedat videos because on every single video Deedat lied
He took advantage that most people do not know either the Bible or the Quran
but God does not use liars to teach about God only Satan uses liars
I am solid about my religion because Christianity teaches me how to know and to experience God
I speak on these Islamic videos because they lie to unsuspecting people promoting Islam the only man made religion of war while pretending Islam is a religion of peace
BonjourNuit31 2 years ago
loll you cannot be serious lollllllll,, so anis shorrosh is not a lier? jay smith? sam shamoun? i can go on and on, tell me what Ahmed deedat lied about please.
pillgrimz 2 years ago
Did I say Shorrosh was a liar? I said Deedat was a liar.
Deedat said the gospel of John confirms Muhammad because the pronoun (he) was mentioned
Since Deedat professed to be a biblical scholar, he knew a mere pronoun is not proof and he also knew that Jesus never said an apostle would come (sura 61:6) but that the Holy Spirit who lives with and lives in all people on earth would come to Jesus'own disciples while they lived (John 14:17) thereby proving Muhammad was a false prophet
BonjourNuit31 2 years ago
what ever you say pal what ever you say.
pillgrimz 2 years ago
God made you not to test you for God is with you
A true prophet would have brought you to the knowledge how God is with you to guide you away from hell into paradise as paradise is knowing God's love for you
for that is the meaning of taking you out of the darkness into the light
It means taking you away from all human sufferings into the awareness of the presence of God who guides you through Intuition
Blessings to you 4 that is what I say pal
BonjourNuit31 2 years ago
if your 'God' says to me 'why diddnt you believe i came down as a man and died for you, and why diddnt you believe in the bible''. i would say oh God sorry for thinking your too perfect to come down as a mere man and die, sorry for not beleiving the bible is from you because i thought you was soo perfect that anything with a mistake cannot be from you,sorry for saying your 1 not 3,sorry for thinkin coming out a virgina is an insult towards you.would i really desrve hell??come on man think!!
pillgrimz 2 years ago
Take your own advice and think
God has always been with every person on earth to this day and God desires people to learn that fact for it would end hell on earth and restore the world back to paradise and the way he chose to teach us He is in us to guide us is by coming into humanform
Only Muhammad pretended to praise Jesus but he hated both Jews and Christians and slaughtered them
Think is your god allah satan because only satan is a liar, an oppressor, a hater and a murderer which is Islam
BonjourNuit31 2 years ago
Show me where in the Bible that it is written Begetten through sex
I don't run away from you, I got things to do
Running away from you would be like letting you drown but even though I reach my hand to you, you try to pull me under with you
I can see why you need someone who can think and who has brians because you don't think and who don't use your brains
BonjourNuit27 2 years ago
john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
definition of Beget "SIRE" "produce as a father"
but no, now you want to give it another meaning???
i asked you million times what begets means & where u come with those explanations of the bible.
told you show me what jesus is and how he is & then lets compare him to GOD to see if he is "GOD" as you claim, but NOOO you dont
alhanounn 2 years ago
You see the speck of filth in another's eye but you overlook the log in your own
You have 1000 Deedat videos attacking Christianity with your Islamic ignorance of this faith so when I stand up to you then you ban me which makes you the hypocrite
BonjourNuit20 2 years ago
the weird thing is that you say we are attacking christianty, yet see how christains are like dogs running after muslim nations & people wanting to "baptise them" so we show your lies & stupidty
wha is BEGOTEEN NOT MADE means, you ran away, BEGET "PROUCE THRU SEX" but again, we need someone who can think or do have brains, sadly seems im not talking to one. SADLY!!!
alhanounn 2 years ago
Gabriel said to Mary she would give birth to the son of God
No where does it claim God had sex with Mary for God is not Satan and God who created sexuality for all life forms has the highest morals and values of all
God only had to say and it was so but Muhamamd who said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like Jesus died instead also said that God begetteth not and he is not begotten because he knew Christians believed Jesusto be the Son of God which means God incarnate
BonjourNuit27 2 years ago
so now Satan according to YOU "christians" created sexuality??
so why you guys have sex & follow satan then? & now u say Gabriel? thought you say he is the "begotten son of God"
"OverShadow thee" "come upon thee" thats what the bible says. at least most versions of it.
again NO WHERE the Quran says "another went instead" mr Hypocrat see real true honest translations now ur own hate sites that you copy/paste from.
your bible says "begotten son" which you run away from explaining
alhanounn 2 years ago
I told you that you do not read properly
God created the universe, he created all life on earth and he created sexuality but he never had sex with Mary that accusation came from the false prophet Muhammad
Gabriel said the Holy Spirit will over Shadow thee which means he will protect her from being stoned to death as Muslims still do to this day
My Quran version sura 4:157 states yet they slew him not and they crucified him not but they had only his likeness
BonjourNuit27 2 years ago
that sex thing comes from you guys coz you jumped BEGOTEEN word again which has ONE & ONLY ONE MEANING.
there is quran translation not "version" Quran is only Quran when its the Arabic as recited by the Prophet pbuh till now.
"laken shobeha lahom" thats a transliteration which means somehow "but it was respebeld to them" how or what the Quran does not says. so dont put in the Quran whats not there my Hypocrat,coz its only Arabic,it was made to "them" not he was or such.
so jesus created life?
alhanounn 2 years ago
So I am out of here
I will come back when I have the time
My Mommy doesn't make suppy for me like your Mommy
BonjourNuit27 2 years ago
had u ever watched the movie "13th warrior" ??
when he tells them "my mother was a chested woman, & my father was a noble/respectable man. so was his father & father & father.
at least i know who is my dad, & my mom was not "pre-used/tested" or i dont know how is my dad.
honor & pride, something u never heared of or knew or would know. thank God my mom is not F*** arround or my sisters, they are pure & clean not full with STDs & live like PIGS as the hpocrats as yourself & those you know
alhanounn 2 years ago
You said Muhammad did not slaughter Jews and Christians
Yes he did and he made a religion out of it
Say the Jews and Christians, we are God's sons, say why does he chastise you for your sins 5:18
Who is he but Muhammad who said
we await for you the infliction of a chastisement by God or at our hands 9:52
The Jews say Izra is the son of God and Christians say Jesus is the son of God, God do battle with them 9:30
so make war on them
by your hands God will chastise them 9:14
BonjourNuit20 2 years ago
see what 5:18 says you ignorant, its telling the jews & chrisitans if you say you are the "loved ones & children of God" then why God punishes you & put you in those ordeals.
& 9:52 talks about the hypocrats who claims to be muslims. yet does not do the good things Allah told them to do.
9:30 yes coz of your claims Allah is very Mad at you for balspheming.
see how you jump from verse in the middle to one after then before
9:14 "see 9:13" when it says fight those who started it. yet do you C
alhanounn 2 years ago
Big deal you have non Muslim friends for it is written in the Quran don't make Jews or Christians your friends sura 5:51
and wage war with the non believer as are your neighbours 9:123
which you do through your Deedat videos
BonjourNuit20 2 years ago
you HYPOCRAT "the best name for you" that verse 5:51 talks about not making the jews/crisitans as LEADERS 'wali" the people who rule you.
and you hypocrate Again!!! the other verse i already explained to you, coz i know arabic, its to fight those who are close to you & fighting you.
but NOOO you show how you are blind & dont even read. & never read the contexts as well or explanation/tafseer
read & understand then talk "like inteligent people does"
alhanounn 2 years ago
Muslims always say non Muslims who quote the Quran always take passages out of contexts
but the world saw Muslims beheading non Muslims and that instruction to behead comes from the Quran that says strike terror into the non believer, strike off their heads and finger tips sura 8:12
and there is when you encounter the non believers, strike off their heads till you have made a great slaughter among them sura
and there are other passages similar
So stop lying to yourself
BonjourNuit20 2 years ago
Mr Hypocrat, its talking about the battle of Bader "first batter in Muslim history, 314 muslism against 1000 pagens who went to demolish islam & end it, so you expect God to tell the muslisms TURN THE OTHER CHEECK? or to tell the muslims to fight fearloussly & that he will support them & bring them victory. "as he gave Moses pbuh.
see the history of that battle, what muslims had & what pagens had & judge for yourself if it was not grace of God that muslims won.
like yarmook 250 tho vs 50 tho
alhanounn 2 years ago