Google V. China: Should the internet be policed?

[VideoMenu]

If this is the level of critical thinking the youngest adult generation has to offer, no WONDER the EU is rapidly morphing into radical states with Sharia law in place.

Yes, that's right! England, Sweden & I think Netherlands all have Sharia protection in place right now. Rapidly in EU, wife beatings, honor killings, halal, female circumcision, etc are PROTECTED.

"Like, OMG, if their culture is, like, Communism?--we have to, like, respect that!" :41

You people FRIGHTEN me.

[VideoMenu]

Every RT show (two I've seen now) seems to be hosted by dingalings.

1st, your title promised China as the topic It quickly changed to "Like, OMG! My info is, like, on Facebook 'n stuff!"

2nd, did that limp noodle at :41 actually make apologies for communism? I'm socially liberal & THAT frightens me.

3rd, your video comment makes no logical sense. "Like, I don't believe in censorship? But then I don't, like, believe in them knowing everything."

WHAT?! Censorship & privacy are not the same! cont.

[clairishe]

You should have posed the question for this debate differently. How could anyone ever be in favor of censorship? Its the responsibility of individuals to protect themselves from information not other entities. You should have asked, "Should Google try to defeat China's efforts at censorship or should it respect China's cultural values" or something along those lines.

[bramcorleone]

I think the internet is the closest thing to freedom and freedom of speech. Just look at all the racism and cursing in comments on youtube alone.. No conventional medium would showcase such comments (you'll probably get a lot of beeps). Off course comments can be (falsely/correctly) marked as spam

[paydog23]

Not at all! Internet censorship is evil!

[MrXxxilikepiexxx]

China's communist DICKtators oppress the Chinese people too much. When I was in China last summer I asked our guide about the Tiannamen Square Incident and he replied "Oh I know Tiannamen Square, good place, nothing bad ever happen." Later I asked him about WWII and the nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He said it is common knowledge that the Japanese had already surrendered to China, then America nuked them.

[natalie5102325]

If the internet is policed,

where the hell else will we have freedom?

It's already censored in some ways.

[OnlyTheTruthSorry]

China alwayz feel like imposing their point of view to the rest of the world no matter what their own people might think !!!! chinese government restrinctions are definitely not CULTURE beliefs !!! it s called oppression....

[1waitandbleed1]

Lmfao Australia tried censoring the internet and look what happened they got ass raped by there own people.

[robi2000]

Seems that youtube is censoring the comments by not having them post for a day or 2. Anyone realize this ? It's a real strange blocking of free speech.

[salemrush]

I can't wait for Summer Rez

Looking forward to googling your hottieness

But I'm still listening even though your bod is doing the talking

[shortattentionspan1]

... ummm ... Wow you really do pay attention .... now this piece is really YOU at your best .... you GO girl.

[560e]

Chinese totalitarianism is not a culture, so Google does not have to respect it.

There is no way to police the Internet without sacrificing vital freedoms.

[johnt49]

what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Do I hear a hallelujah

[abramhb]

everybody has there own way of seeing things if china wants to censored their Internet let them do it.

[hfhry464646]

censorship and people posting information which can lead to identity theft are 2 different balls of wax.

[gustavocologni]

Should anything be policed ?

IF the answer is YES, then everything should !

As simple as that !!

Do you know that in the UK for instance there are laws that prevent latin music to play more than 20 minutes a week. To protect their culture.

You try to do something like that in Latin America... There is a military coup within seconds... for breaching CONSTITUTION... just as happened with MANOEL ZELAYA in Honduras very recently.

The guy was overthrown for only proposing a national referendum

[clayp72]

Funny, the same ones that were clapping and barking like seals when the Patriot Act came about are no complaining about internet censorship. But rest assured, if Uncle Sam sticks his fat nose into something, he NEVER takes it out. My messege to the DemoRATS and the RepubliCONS is simply this, L E A V E U S A L O N E ! ! ! ! !

[magikmaker]

Funny thing is that Americans always say the internet shouldn't be censored [and I totally agree], but I've never been anywhere where there's so much censorship in music, television and speech.

How is it totally acceptable to beep out every word that sounds remotely like f**k [I'm probably not allowed to write it here ;-)] or even come up with words like "F-ing", but when it comes to censoring internet people start yelling "freedom".

How can you be sure "your internet" isn't censored already?

[Rocketeer1001]

@magikmaker "but I've never been anywhere [United States] where there's so much censorship in music, television and speech."

Funny because RT can be watched in the United States. On the contrary, it's funny how China forces Google to censor anything related to 1989 Tiannamen Square incident and how Russia kills investigative journalists.

[BBQPeanut]

I think censorship should be allowed, but changing history shouldn't. For example, you can't have it say that Germany won WW2 if you search it up, it should just be omitted completely.

[PariahOlympics]

Oh wow Youtube put a Google Analytics ad pop-up below this vid.....oh yes internet free to use, but only for the private citizen......for companies and governments, regulations on their activities should be transparent to the public and reviewed.....but wouldn't that be revolutionary a government stopping itself from excessive power. XD (sad that that's laughable really)

[IriquoisPliskinn]

Fuck no. The internet should not be policed.

FREEEEEEEDOM!

[UnderseaCaveman]

For 99.99% of the population that they (if) had every piece of personal detail on the internet would not matter one bit.....because there are not enough people to care about any one particular person.... It's like living in Nature again, an open Savanna... who ever said "Life is Easy"..... there are Predators everywhere!

[markbatch]

stopping bad stuff on the net is cool .. child porn etc

but china wants to stop the truth,

many young chinese dont even know the tianamen square massacre happened

google yahoo and fox all bent over and took one in the ass to get dollars from chinas market.

yahoo has even given up info on political activists to the chinese regime the pricks

we should be telling those gutless fucks to demand a stopping of censorship in china or they will pull out

grow a pair google and yahoo cowards

[yousief]

I don't want anyone censoring al that luberly japanese porn

[rezapormi88]

Last time I checked, the flow of information had nothing to do with culture. It has to do with the oppressive Chinese government that is trying to hide the skeletons in its closet.

[DecentralizedByGuilt]

china should be banned from the internet altogether.

americans must stop buying their products, and other imports.

[EquivocallyAbsurd]

Don't put it out there if you don't want it known.

[LuiWallentin]

Simple answer: HELL NO!

[vodkasvictim]

I see a lot of smart comments here.

However, I find it hard to believe the chinese government has a valid point. let us not forget that we are taking here about a government which was bonkers enough to pass a law against sparrows.

[averagekid82]

All google does is search internet pages that match the words you've typed. If your information is out there, a majority of the time, you put it out there. I say let freedom run its course.

[ogier1]

I am positively surprised that you found a lot of people that don't intend to impose their national culture on other cultures.

You as an internet expert of course know that the interwebs could need some guidelines LOL

[veilen]

A totalitarianism a culture that needs protection? Are you kidding?!

Internet needs policing just like our streets. That doesn't mean police should be allowed to make a preventive arrests of people who speak in public something that might not be legal. Like for example criticizing a government, policy, laws or ideas.

Censorship is a crime against free speech. Without free speech there is no democracy. Without democracy there is no freedom. No one should know that better then US citizens.

[Faeriiie]

I come from a country where pornographic and hacking websites are censored out. I really appreciate it because it respects people from looking at it and prevents the youth of my country from stumbling upon it whilst doing a school project using the computer.

I do agree with you in one point though, I do not want companies the internet to be watching what I am doing and stealing all my information.

[Czzzaar]

It respects people from looking at it? That sentence makes no sense.

What needs to be respected is the individuals right to see and do whatever they want as long as they are not physically or economically harming another. That is called FREEDOM.

You either believe in liberty or you don't, there is no in-between.

[Faeriiie]

Lol oops, I meant prevents!

Watching porn and masturbating to it and all that is sinful and thus preventing it aids people from not sinning. Is FREEDOM encouraging people to do sinful things? I think not.

Liberty, or no liberty, I don't even know what that is. I am speaking from a religious perspective.

[platonicmojo]

unfortunately people who say they dont believe in censorship are talking jibberish and are counterintuitive... When your 12 year old kid surfs the net and you dont let him go to self mutilation sites or kkk sites that is censorship... but common sense...

[platonicmojo]

(forgot to add) When people say they are against censorship usually it only means that they are against government censorship... or rather the government acting as a parental agent.... I agree that the state as parent is a sticky issue.. but the other side is just as sticky... blocking hacking school sites or arresting those who post child porn seems to be legitimate censorship... no?

[veilen]

It might be true to parent children relations but not government citizens.

Government rarely knows what's best for citizens better then citizens themselves.

[platonicmojo]

depending on the government type... but in a democracy... if a gov is elected on a anti child porn platform they they do in fact fill the same role as parent-child relation. The goverment is not some unknown entity but rather a grouping of people... Im not saying gov are good but rather that goverments by logical reasoning can be said to share the SAME problems as regular people.

[veilen]

"if a gov is elected on a anti child porn platform"

Exactly. Citizens decided that they need to fight child pornography and they elected a government from people who promise to take care of it.

In other words citizens decide not government on its own. No parent children relation what so ever.

Any government that claims to know better what's best for you than you yourself is going to take away your freedom to decide about your own fate.

[platonicmojo]

@ Veilen

im confused. First you say that the government enacting the peoples general will into law is a good thing.(antichildporn) and then say that the the government shouldnt say what is best for people. But any time the people as a whole/ interest group elects people to do things they do things against the will of others (parental) You seem to think that there is a clear distinction between actions done because of votes, interest groups, etc... and actions done on "parental" gounds only...

[veilen]

We talk about the same thing but understand it differently.

It's difficult to see a clear distinction between "govern by people" and "parent/child" by comparing only democratic countries.

Does Chinese government act because of votes and a will of majority of people? Can Chinese citizens make decisions on their own if they are cut off from information due to censorship? Indeed Chinese people ARE like children.

Of course there is a minorities issue in democracy but it's another topic.

[platonicmojo]

but of course you cant talk about china and democratic countries in the same light. talking comparing mixed communism and democracy will obviously lead us to different distinctions. All I meant was that in a democracy the voting system only decides who the parents are... or rather which parental values will be followed. For the government has ALLOT of say in the lives of people who cant vote, (children for ex) or people who cant do things on their own, (pay for healthcare, pay the rent etc).

[platonicmojo]

In regards to china...

the metaphor of children doesnt seem to apply since a a parents fist priority (or atleast one of the top) is the child where as the first priority of communism is the people as a whole and the state. Thus China is like one big un-unionized factory with management acting for the whole but crushing individuals. (kind of ironic since communism is supposed to raise the individual together with everyone )

[renegade2142]

These street interviews just make me annoyed at New Yorkers. I know I'm generalizing, but watching these just re-enforces my dislike of big cities and city people.

[perfectlittlelife]

@renegade - she's interviewing people in Times Square. I doubt any of the people she interviewed are New Yorkers. If she wanted to interview New Yorkers she could stay in Brooklyn (where she lives) or at least go to Union Square or some place downtown like City Hall or the Financial District.

[paultheuglydog]

you have pretty hair. I wish I could run my fingers through your hair

[strongyang]

Seriously, I think that any government should butt off from the life of its citizens. If they wanna watch it, WATCH THE DAMN VIDEOS. We are all human after all. Why making our life so complicated with all these fucked up rules that ain't even going to help the people. It's crazy man. LOCO!

[platonicmojo]

except of course the people in government usually get elected on platforms that involve them getting involved in the lives of the public in forms of censorship...meaning that people on mass are the ones defacto doing their own censorship...via governmental agency... (of course they also do it directed by specific interest groups which infringes on other people... which creates problems)

[teachtruth2U]

founder of izlam=mohamad=CRIMINAL.

[ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz]

i think everywhere should have no censorship at all, if in china, a certain thing is unnaceptable in their culture, then people using the internet should just not look at it, its up to them, if your sitting flicking channels on your TV and you come across a porno, who's fault is it if you watch? china's statement on the internet was straight up orwellian, as for your info being on a site, there should be more warning on exactly how your info will be used, after that, its up to us.

[httprover]

The Declaration of Independence starts out, "When in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bonds which have connected them with another,..." The Federalist Papers warned about the possibility of foreign governments interferring with elections. And the Alien and Sedition Acts granted the Federal government power over foreign nationals within the US. There are also trade & communications restrictions.

Conclusion: We set bounds on liberty too.

[Rklesyouth]

I'm from Brooklyn, but I live in China right now, and use a VPN for facebook/youtube/blogs.

This country is over 4,000 years old, but only acquired government 60 years ago. A modern, free society and a government to support those ideals is still in its infancy stages. Give them time.

60 years after the creation of the U.S, we still kept slaves.

[ObsTheGreat]

The internet should always be free and anonymous, though I doubt it will stay that way.

[rattaplan]

It shouldn't, no! It's the only free medium we have.. or had. Commercialization has devalued it a great deal already and it's now rapidly changing into a global police net (with country IP restrictions etc).

Also, for people that don't like their personal stuff on the internet.. try this: DON'T PUT IT ON THERE!

[DreadsideNubune]

This sort of hard hitting journalism would be banned in China, which is exactly why I stand 100% behind their strategy.

It's negative ninnies like you bringing down the economy, literally, with your liberal attitudes. At least in China the trains run on time! And they have a top notch health service, unlike LIBERAL USA!! CHINA BEST CAPITALiSt NATION!!

[zigomertrubahin]

Girls like The Resident are bringing down the economy? Now that's quite a bit of shocking news to me. I'm ready to stop her, though.

[DreadsideNubune]

@zigomertrubahin Yes they are literally slagging off the government and that all the time! They don't seem to realise it's well hard to be in power, with every decision under close scrutiny!

[50kT]

talk about being late on this topic

[httprover]

"China maintains it welcomes international internet companies so long as they're respectful of Chinese culture and public interest."

That sounds like doublespeak for "you can only do it if we permit it." Those in power sound like they serve themselves rather than the Chinese people.

[Zeldovich]

You should be policed, and I'm want to be the one to put you in cuffs.

[natedogs212]

I Think it is complete BullShit. The internet is a way to communicate and the government has no right to censor it no matter their culture.

[narellie]

Haha.

The "United States should have access to everything?" Because everything is relative to Americans? Whereas backwards countries like China should have the wool pulled over their eyes because in an American mindset they are "more rigid"?

LOL, Oh, fail to that girls brain.

[ShiekUrBooty]

Shooting Chinese paratroopers with my Russian SKS??? Never on a sundae, that wouldn't be right.

[yuetching]

censoring information means censoring the freedom of info their citizens can access..it's an infringement on basic human rights

[scorpionkings]

Censorship shouldn't exist

[jackuy12345]

fuck americans..... chinese r good slaves and they should remain in slaves form

[scorpionkings]

@jackuy12345 lol I love people that say what they think

[terder123]

fuck the Chinese

The internet is a free market source of information

since when does the chinese government get to decide what can and can't be viewed. Since when do they get to decide what is bad and good.

Its disgracefull.

[CommentorX]

@ terder123 I personally believe that [CENSORED] [CENSORED][CENSORED] [CENSORED]

... and that's the truth.

[xkeltoix]

censorship is always bad. saying "its our culture" is nothing but an irrational cop out.

[Blargaldalien]

Hello,Lori.

The Internet explosion has taken all government's control over what the people find about,away. Once the genie is out of the, people everywhere want more. As for information about me being out on the web,I agree with the one interviewee who said it is out there IF YOU PUT IT there.

[mjulianstudios]

Lori i can't decide sometimes if you are just another political tool. Do you really think anything less than freedom is acceptable?

[NatureLegalized]

a good slave doesn't worry about such things

[Yamakashi1]

EVERYTHING IS RIGHT ON THE INTERNETZ

[quixgofar]

Looking GOOD!!

Nice subject...... I tend to agree with second guy you interviewed.

Makes a valid point.

[aallppiinnee]

wow, she really interviewed some dolts this time

Going by their logic, North Korea, which has a culture of complete and total repression of the populace should continue to repress the populace (who are in the dark and probably clueless because of this repression) because it's their "culture."

[LSRochon]

NSA Wiretap......already legal.....authorities should also be policed....

[LSRochon]

can't stop the internet.

[byblosadvocate]

"What's right and wrong..."? So Lori, we're back to talking about legislating morality ~

[RAMKING61]

It should be up to Tim Berners-Lee...it's his baby.

[Brulluhman]

Freedom is good. It needs explanation.

Your free to do all kind of stuff. Without borders there is no freedom.

[tetsubo57]

The internet should not be policed. But we should also have an amendment protecting our privacy. How other countries deal with this is up to them. But I support a similar idea internationally. Censorship is a pervasive evil that must be fought wherever it raises its ugly head. The data must be free.

[jortizz]

Historically, companies having too much information on individuals has been nowhere nearly as dangerous as the government having too much information on us. Yet, we live in a society that demonizes the former and apologizes for the latter.

[johnt49]

Chinese government doesn't care what anybody thinks about anything.

Try buying American......... you can't ....... everything was made in China.... you can't compete with slave labor...we are supposed to hate communism, not make them the most richest country on earth.

[TheGiantRobot]

Everything has to be policed to some point, of course. Like you mentioned, you don't want people publishing your personal information. Of course we don't want child pornography. So it's not whether to do it, it's where to draw the line - like pretty much everything else.

[Slapnuts6931]

fear and paranoia rule us all.

[mrzack888]

i can't believe pple actually think it should be censored.  they enjoy being slaves.

[PsychSyke]

@mrzack888: I know! I was shocked that she had people actually found people in times square who condoned censorship.

[psp785]

it should be up to the Chinese government to censor all their porn

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

shut up

[audadvnc]

The Google vrs China hoohah has got a lot of backstory going on that doesn't make it to the MSM. For instance, the National Security Agency is heavily involved, one way or another... and probably in more ways than they're telling. US Gov't may be one of the bad guys here.

[skylineTG1]

the internet is free let it be!!

[psp785]

internet is not free

-we pay isp

-their starting to charge us for banthwith usage

-and their has been talks about charging for websites I think the resident covered this one too

[legendofcraig]

rofl