Open Challange:Deobandi Scared To Accept Till Date!!!

[suzair110]

MASLAK BRAHELVI ZINADBAD JAWAB TU DE

[sai5i]

w w w.n a t i o n m a s t e r.c o m /e n c y c l o p e d ia/Khilafat-Movement.

The khilafat movement headed by Gandhi,against Islamic principle,Deobandis as a group were against Pakistan movement and it is well documented fact. Imam Ahmed Raza's fatwa was in light of conditions of jahad & opened Muslims eye that do not help mushrikeen in their conspiracy with congressi mullahs for getting hold of india which was a muslim empire..as a muslim help any muslim no1 ever objectd but do not twist facts

[sai5i]

ottomon empire was a kingdom not a khilafat as other kingdom of muslims.Muslims of India were never under Turkish Ottomon Rule and they had nothing to do with the political warfare of Ottomon Sultanate.. and the Hadis mubaraka you are quoting doesnt support your claim i-e to fight for ottomon empire, hand in hand with Germans and Japanese was farz on muslim and it was farz that every muslim must leave the normal life and join the battlefield.. stop beatin round the bush.

[sai5i]

The british hated deobandis lol and Ashraf ali thanvi was receving 600 rupees per month from British Govt. and his brother was an officer in British C.I.D.. your ulemah were licking feet of british and najdis and still are check out the 100 year celeberation of deoband when indra gandhi was invited . a mushrika. Open up your eyes mr illogical and read history and by the way why deoband is not declaring jahad in india now?? British were Christians and Indian govt is mushrik what is the difference

[LogicalZak]

The British loved Ahmed Ridda lol. Because He played a pivital role and collaborated with the British i.e opposing Jihad. He himself issued a Fatwa, in which he stated, not help (the Islamic Caliphate at that time) THE OTTOMANS and classed them as a "Bastard Empire" as they were not of the House. This is a Shia trait that the caliphate must be from the House of the Prophet (saw). Whereas mainstream Sunni's believe it goes on artistic merits. Not royalty.

[sai5i]

(contrary to shia beleif of only from house) anyone claiming Khilafat must belong to Quresh as were all the 4 khalifas raziAllahanhum.. Imam Ahmed Raza said what Rasulullah alaislam said and your objection goes to where it originates from, so beware do not argue just for the sake of argument..

read the Hadis sharif which says Khilafat is only for Quresh..

w w w.u s c.e d u/d e p t/M S A/f u n d a m e n t als/ha dithsu nnah / bukhari / 082. sbt. h t m l#008.082.817 (remove spaces)

[LogicalZak]

Btw lets not forget Ahmed Qaadiani who came from the same district as Ahmed Riddah also issued a fatwah not to oppose the British rule and NOT to help the Ottoman caliphate who the British were also fighting!

[sai5i]

mr fabricator your lie is documented here for all to see.you said 'same district' yet the truth is that even the States were not same..

Imam Ahmed Raza was born , lived and died in Barely Sharif , Utar Pardesh and Dajjal ghulam ahmd was born in punjab, india..

stop listenin to zfarooqi ,ae zaheer and their company and strive yourself to find out the truth as you would have to answer what you chose.

[LogicalZak]

Are they not from Punjab?

[LogicalZak]

My mistake Uttar Pradesh is not anywhere close to Punjab. I retract that statement. Apologies.

[sai5i]

If you start researching about whatever you have heard so far with pure intention you will soon know all you have heard about Ala hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza are just lies and twisted fabrications from those who opposed the Ahlesunna wal jamat.

may Allah give guidance to those who look for it.

[sai5i]

what ottomons were fighting for? with germans and japanese that was a war of politics and power not of Islam if Imam Ahmed Raza would have issued fatwa to fight for ottomon empire now people like you would be saying look Ahmed Ridaa gave fatwa of jahad and made innocent muslims die fighthing for a worldly war.He gave fatwa as per Islam and Shariya and to stop muslims from being made fool from stupid mullahs living in luxury and making muslims die for a useless war where kuffar was on both side.

[LogicalZak]

Prophet Muhammed (saw): Constantinople will be conquered. Blessed is the commander who will conquer it, and blessed are his troops (Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 4, 335). Since that city was itself a symbol of a large dominion, the Prophet was thus directing his umma to carry Islam all over the world. The high spiritual rank of Sultan Mehmed, the Conqueror, and the virtuousness of his army. Ottomans!!

Looks like Qaadiani as well as Brelwi errored in there Fatwas. Too bad it was a really bad one.

[sai5i]

So you think all muslims are same as qadiyanis because they beleive in Allah they call quran as their book. stop fooling around and prove your point . I gave you the reference of a hadith from a site which I searched on google on the go . The khilafat is for Quresh this is order of Nabi pak alaislam and Ijma of Sahaba rizwanullah ajmaeen, you and all your party have no value infront of what has been decided by Allah azzawajal and His Prophet alaislam..

[LogicalZak]

Why are you putting words into my mouth by now claiming "So you think all muslims are same as qadiyanis because they beleive in Allah they call quran as their book."

1. It has nothing to do with the issue i addressed. 2. The reference is from authentic hadith

"Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will he be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!"

And it just happen to be Sultan Mehmed II of the Ottomans.

[sai5i]

I am not putting any words in your mouth but thats what you meant by discussing qadiyanis ie if a kafir , mushrik , devaint is saying something ,doesn't matter what islamic ruling is about that issue; a muslim should absolutely oppose what k m d said. when a mufti issues fatwa he has to look for sources of shariya or saying n actions of deviants?

i asked you several times does that hadis states whereever turkish ottomon army fights it is farz on every muslim to fight with them..

[LogicalZak]

The issue isn't whether it was fard. But rather to point out a major sign that had come to pass in reference to Hadeeth. The Fatwas issued by Brelwi as well as Mirza Ghulam benifited who? The British. If Deoband were a British plant surely they would have issued fatwas not to oppose British rule and not to aid the Ottomans. Serving there interests. It is well known the British in India labelled every subsequent Muslim movement for Indian freedom against colonial oppressors as a Wahabi.

[sai5i]

thats what the issue is Imam Ahmed Raza gave fatwa what islam says it is not fard to fight along turkish when some stupids were issuing fatwa it is fard.. doesnt matter british loved it or you hated it a mufti would issue fatwa according to islam whether you like ir or not.the hadis you qutd is about the army which will attack istanbul & in world war no muslim army was attacking istanbul,do'nt twist hadis at least. Nabi pak alaislam said which means whoever fabricates in my name is in hell

[LogicalZak]

Also search online the Silken Letters Conspiracy. Maulana Mahmud Al Hasan was accused by the British of seeking Ottoman aid for a Muslim insurrection in Afghanistan. Btw the Wahabis Nejd were in a open war against the Ottomans.

[sai5i]

and also search who was informing british about silken letters consipiracy..mr thanvi kept goras informed & used to receive 600 rs per month from british govt, this isn't what ahlulsunnah say it is written in famous deobandi works.. i told you indian muslims were never under turkish rule but najdis were and they rebelled from their legitimate & just rulers i-e ottoman sultanate i hope you are logical enough to understand the difference.

[LogicalZak]

Those very letters contained proposals as well as plans to put an end to the tyranical British Government in India. They were compiled by our Ulemah. Some of the Deobandi leaders as well as other Indian Muslims that were part of this conspiracy were apprehended by the British. We know Mirza Ghulam was agent yet issued a similar fatwa, that only served the best interests of the British. If Deo were a plant they would have taken the same stance as Brelwi and Qaadiani. It doesn't go hand in hand.

[sai5i]

dajjal qadynai denied mutlak jahad as a farz, Imam ahmed raza favoured muslim with his true fatwa that jahad (ottomons is not farz on indian muslims and khilafat movement was a movement where stupid congresi mullahs were protesting under leadership of Gandhi if muslims would have joined this movement ultimately their own country would have fallen in the hands of hindu majority which was worst for muslims Imam Ahmed raza's issd fatwa in light of shariya and for muslim interest.

[LogicalZak]

Because the rule in India was given back to the INDIANS by mandate. The imperialists looted most Indias resources and have done there job with divide and conquer. I wouldn't consider them christians more like pagaans/masons. The British came as oppressors into India FACT. What does Shariah and our Prophet (saw) say on this issue? ill let you do your homework.

If fighting the invading forces i.e. in Afghanistan and NWFP is considered licking there feet so be it :)

[sai5i]

the rule of india was given back to hindus by mandate of whom? deobandi mandate is amazing let me say hypocritical.

fighting with invading forces or blowing up mosques and killing innocent muslims thats what your style is.. as far as the shariya ruling about jahad is concern it stays same as ever . do your homework ask your muftis and let me know that due to afghanistan , iraq etc jahad is farz now on every muslim or not ?

[LogicalZak]

The same coalition U.S/UK/NATO and it's allies that support Isreal and thus indirectly killing palestinians by giving them funds/arms. The same group that had involvement in the massace in Kosva, Chechnya, at present Afghanistan, Iraq. You need to look at the wider picture. The resistance fighters in palestine, afghanistan, iraq are all terrorists in your eyes? is that what your saying? Blowing up mosques? Your clearly being spoonfed by CNN. It's the big bad taliban blowing up mosques right? lol

[sai5i]

just one example

wahabi deobandi taliban suicider bomber responsilbe for the massacre of nishtar park:

w w w.d a w n.c o m /2007/06/16/local9.h t m

and if two odds are fighting with each other it doesn't prove one is even.come up with a better exuse next time..

[LogicalZak]

The irony is after the collapse of the Soviet Empire. The Talibs were ruling for over a decade. During this period did you ever hear of them blowing up Masjids? My friend the U.S/UK flatterned more masjids in one day during there initial strike on Afghanistan alone and killed more civilians in one day then the supposedly "bad terrorist taliban" ever could. Well atleast they kept the country stable. It's in a far worse state now.

The link you gave doesn't mention talib.

[sai5i]

it does mention the areas you quoted and the lashkar jhangvi which is new name of siphah sahaba and everyone knows who r sipah sahba the mastermind of taliban tahreek and their leaders are all deos. i am not a us lover at all but the irony is who gave them the excuse rqrd to bombard innocent muslims they needed a excuse and talibans leadership&alqaeda provided it so all of them are equally responsible.over a decade they were fighting with northern alliance a political war in the name of jahad.

[LogicalZak]

Not all Talibs are Deobandis; the large proportion are to have studied from Deo directly or gained knowledge from a Deo (learned persons) and the rest are Brelwi as well as other Sunni faction groups; who do not follow the madrasahs of Deo or Brelwi. The Sunni aqeedah usul and fiqh are the same. The difference is only in obsecure matters. The talibs are merely a resistance movement. The same western media refers to palestinian, iraqi and afghani; freedom fighters as terrorists?

[sai5i]

the issue is what Islam says not what west says or he says or she says.. any movement is identified by the leadership and taliban leadership is all deobandis first you were claiming that all afghanistan nwfp is deobandi now you are opposing your own words..whoever fights for a muslim state is a mujahid ther is no issue but whoever brings misery to muslims is a sinner..

the deobandi and barelvi difference is not in obscure matters it is a difference in Aqidah.

[LogicalZak]

Your clutching onto straws; I said the "majority" NOT "all". There are currently no Islamic state (not since 1924 anyway). By that I mean there is no legitimate Caliphate at present, let alone a Muslim country that fully implements shariah law. Your anology is very poor. So the palestian, kashmiri, iraqi and afghani struggle against the neo-cons bavarian illuminati has no value in your eyes? Is that what your saying?

[sai5i]

i clearly wrote before any1 defending a muslim state is a mujahid that includes any muslim state. only for the sake of argument you declared ottomon empire was legitamate caliphate clearly opposing the hadis of Rasulullah alaislam that caliphate is for quresh you are the one clutching onto straws. no1 ever said ottomons or present day freedom fighters are wrong but that doesnt mean all muslims have jahad farz upon them or is it? thats the issue you raised stating the fatwa of Imam Ahmed Raza

[LogicalZak]

Al Qaeda in my opinion is just a phantom enemy created by the Rupert Murdoch. Who just happens to own 90% of the world media; sky news, cnn etc. Pro Zionist/illuminati.

This is way off topic. I think it would be better if we chat in PM.

[sai5i]

i do not mind you can pm me i would reply inshaAllah and also let you know my email

fi aman Allah

[hanzakhan]

lol brailvi tu shia kay sath manazara nahin kar sakte , mushrik brailvi , lol

[ExposingNifaq]

By the Grace and Rehmat of Allah subhan, Ahle Sunnah wal Jamat hav always defeated Ahle Batil (Wahabiya & Shia) in all debates and Mubahilla. If u r interested to c another humilation of Deos then bring any of ur mullas chalange acceptance.

[sai5i]

mr hanza khan the supreme leader of deobandi cult rasheed ahmed gangohi said in his fatawa Rasheedia that those who abuse Sahaba kiram are not out of Ahlesunna and that he doesnt call rafzis as kafir... and Ahlesunnat's Imam Ahmed Raza Khan alaihirahma wrote more then 20 books refuting rafzis.. even the liar z farooqi quoted Alahazrat and wrote "Imame Ahlesunnat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan fatwa" in his 'Tareekhi Dastawaiz' which was on sipahe sahaba website untill recently.

[suzair110]

@hanzakhan

YEH TU KARWA SAH HAI MERE BHAI. BARDAST KARO YA JAWAB DO

[muzukhan]

@hanzakhan oey bolaaooo apne shia dongi ko abhi yahan ek sunni k bacha challenge karta hai ... hai himmat ....

[MASHROOFI]

@hanzakhan

harami tu kisibhi badmazhab ko lkr aa sabse munazra kar sakte he

[AhSaN9212]

yay kia karain Ga ... Kismat k Thokray_A Ho-A_

[Crunchybear1]

Keep up the good work brother, hurl the truth against the falsehood of the Deobandis.

[malang009]

so this is the only munazra brelvi can say they win ??

[ExposingNifaq]

By the Grace and Rehmat of Allah subhan, Ahle Sunnah wal Jamat hav always defeated Ahle Batil (Wahabiya & Rafziya) in all debates and Mubahilla. If u r interested to c another humilation of Deos then bring any of ur mullas chalange acceptance. In addition y u have run away from ur earlier posted challange on islamiMefhil(.info)

[SunniTiger]

U r exposing the nifaq of deobandi/wahabi plz keep this noble work up , may ALLAH accet yr work , Jazak ALLAH Ameen

[AhSaN9212]

Aameen , JazakAllah Azzwajal

[swatiking]

subhanAllah wat is the great challanage

brother jazakAllah

[BatilHunter]

great work brother.. zabardast...

deobandi pehlay kabhi aagey aaye hain jo ab aayen ge. inka aik bacha aaya islamimehfil per taha ali voice munazra challanage kar k bhag gaya. bechare ko apne deobandi forum par malangon ki koi support nahi mili.. lolz