'Goverment of the people, by the people & for the people'-Lincoln. It's your very existence at the moment. Except for the 'Fiat Currency' part that you've accepted & allowed as "mirrors & smoke"
@minivanjack The 'Mirror & Smoke" part is the INEQUALITY that each one of us has accepted & allowed for it to become as a system. We can also accept & allow for EQUALITY to exist as a system individually to collectively. Answer: Equal Money System as this prevent the abuser to abuse. The current monetary system allow abusers to thrive. How do you suggest preventing people from stopping abusing with the current monetary system?
@kiengb That is yet another non-explanation and non-answer to my questions. You are not convincing anyone of anything because you not communicating wit those general and vague claims.
Support the Equal Money System as it's the solution to this self abdication of Self Responsibility as the very system as self has created as a DEBT SYSTEM - DEATH SYSTEM.
if you have a pile of money like uncle scrooge under a new monetary system it will have no value, sure you can give it the value you want but it wn't be useful for trading and purchasing.
Nobody gets to take your stuff and give it away, there will not be private property anymore so what I mean is you cannot understand the EMS basing yourself on what you know about economy, it won't work, hang in there, when we'll enter politics you'll get it :)
@egozzini I have no trouble "getting" anything you are explaining. The question is, why aren't you explaining it? Is EMS based on true human nature or an imposed "system" of control? You don't need to be in "politics" to explain your ideologies.
you don't yet understand Equal Money because in your words is written everywhere that you support the Inequality of this world because you don't want to give Equally, nor you understand that redistribution won't be necessary when you rewrite a system for All, you can keep what you have, it will just no longer be worth anything, this is how you change the system, can't win, can't join it, you have to step out of the Monopoly game, all infrastructures will be at the service of Life
@egozzini You said "what I have will have no value". Wrong. It will have whatever value I perceive it to have. We each have our own control of our perceptions and we each set the price of our own possessions. You say "I don't want to give". Sure I do. What I said is I don't want someone else to have the "authority" to give away my stuff without my consent. Do I get to give away your stuff? Who gets to give away who's stuff? That's called "haves" and "have nots". Inequity.
@egozzini You said people are "born with equal credit", so someone controls credit for you before you are born? Who, Ben Bernanke? The Dali Lama? Some flawed human being or committee controls everyone else's lives. Here's the equation. Control=collectives=pots of money=temptation=corruption=inequity=tyranny. That equation describes every "system" in world history. 95% of any "system" must be tyranny prevention.
Money is the God of existence, the sooner we face this, the faster we can come to a solution. God doesn't feed you, doen't pay for school for a roof over your head, Money does, it's Money that decides who lives and who dies, so Money is the Unfair God we have allowed to rule existence. We must give what we would like to receive, funny how even the religious or spiritual people don't want to hear this..because..Money is their GOD ! So, if and when you are ready join us visit Equalmoney
@egozzini In any ideology where you guarantee income for one person, you guarantee slavery for another. Redistribution of wealth creates little other than secret pots of money and a massive opportunity for corruption and waste. Who takes my money? Who guarantees my "equal money"? Who manages that? Stalin? Hitler? Dick Cheney? Barack Obama? Anonymous "Equal Money" webmasters? No thank you. You may not "guarantee" my earnings to others.
@minivanjack It's interesting how people attack Equal Money without knowing or understanding anything about it yet, which is a prove of your brainwashing to words, what's wrong with being Equal to everyone on the planet or are you advocating your right to be MORE ? Equal money System will be managed by everyone for everyone, there will no longer be paper money and people will be born in credit and not in debit, given an amount to sustain their whole life, Inequality is the problem
@egozzini I do know something about Equal Money, I read the web site. I did not attack Equal Money, I attacked the idea that my earnings would be taken and distributed by someone other than myself. I am advocating the right to keep what I earn and to earn what I wish to keep. If my earnings are snatched into some giant pot to be managed by some psychopath who aspires to do that, I will not bother to earn, and the redistribution model will collapse, as did the Soviet Union.
@minivanjack , yes and so is the Elite :) we have never talked about redistribution of wealth, we are talking about Equal access to the planet resources, a complete different concept, because if you don't want to see the Equality in others don't complain when the Elite doesn't see the Equality in you and keeps you from living a dignified life that everyone deserves. There won't be my earnings in an EMS , a a slave to a debt sys, there will be your givens, completely different .....
@egozzini Enforcement of "equal access"is called "redistribution". How else can you enforce that "equal access"? Somebody besides the earner and rightful possessor is ENFORCING the presumed "ideal"distribution or "access" if that's what you want to call it. You don't seem to distinguish between the right to operate freely and the "right" for a person to receive a benefit paid for or created by another person, that benefit being transferred by force of policy, authority and regime.
@minivanjack the words "rightful possessor" indicate a problem - no one is rightful possessor of anything, as everything was here before one was born, the earth provides for all, but man wants to own/possess. As a result mankind is possessed by its possessions, so much so that it allows for half the world to starve. Supply&demand in the current system is not based on the actual needs of everyone but only serves the perpetuation of consumerism, consumption and the con of 'power'. This must stop!
@BellaBargilly So I don't possess the thing I made my self and hold in my hands? Just one problem, who pries my fingers off of it to give it to the person you decide needs it? Without some kind of police state Equal Money does not work. What group of goons gets to decide and enforce who possesses what? Even the most non- "property ownership" societies allowed personal possession.
@minivanjack obviously we dont want a police state. And yes mankind will require a new agreement to change what is here. Perhaps it's time we actually learned something from history and realize that we can't continue blaming& shifting responsibility. Those with most power should be those with most responsibility, yet in actuality this isnt the case.
Keep your personal possessions, no-one's gonna take them away from you -but the way you approach the matter reveals the actual problem in the world.
@BellaBargilly "The way I approach the matter"? At least I approach it. You cannot seem to explain the mechanism of your system of "justice". Does it, or does it not involve collective control and force? Explain it. No one supporting Equal Money seems to be able to do that.
@minivanjack "Does it, or does it not involve collective control and force?" What greater force is there than moral force of the majority? EMS should be put to a popular vote and if a new morality that includes the well-being for everyone descends from that, who are you to oppose it? Morality is indeed the "collective control and force" that helps society remain stable. The neoliberal ideal of exceptional individualism has long ago been discredited. Time for Plan E. Equality
@DarrylWThomas Mob rule has been consistently discredited. Since when is the majority moral? They feed themselves at the expense of the collective. Individual liberty is the foundation of our country's original freedom, greatness and prosperity. I never mentioned or advocated "exceptional individualism". You seem to make very loose and self-serving interpretations of what others say. I could say you advocate "Exceptional Statism".
@minivanjack "Morality" is simply a collective "rules" a society has agreed upon. When you appeal to the ideal of "individual liberty as the foundation of our country's freedom," you seem to forget that this country was founded on the subjugation, the forced control of some groups over others. The wealth of America was built on the bonds of slavery, exploitation and colonization of certain groups over others for Christ's sake. Your perspective is biased and distorted. Clear it.
@DarrylWThomas I see, so you hate everything about the U.S. back to the beginning and anyone who doesn't see it that way has to "clear it". So please share what country's system you admire and why. Make sure it's better than the U.S. of course. Make sure I won't be able to point out it's flaws like you just did for the U.S. So far you are a bit short of solid facts and explanations to make any case for the "Equal Money System".
@minivanjack (1)"Hate America?" I'm just challenging and pointing out the flaws of your appraisal of the USA ever having a "foundation of freedom," because it obviously wasn't set up that way except for the wealthy, white elites who ran everything, just as they do now. They had a grand time spinning yarns about "liberty and freedom" and managed to get their dominating imperialism, & enslavement programs admired as the highlight of human achievement. Your premise doesn't hold.
@DarrylWThomas You made some wild guess that I wouldn't notice that you completely evaded my question? If your purpose here is to simply attack your posts will be deleted. Please answer the question. Cite the better example of government. Point out the political mechanism that leads to perfect equity. Do it.
@minivanjack There is no country's "system" I currently "admire." They are all equally oppressive and authoritarian being based on capitalist economic systems to one extent or another. A democratic system of govt. based on the principle of economic equality that removes all forms of plutocratic,self- interest and economic domination that has corrupted all forms of current governance is the only form that I would ever support, which would be an Equal Money System.
@DarrylWThomas You want a system that has never existed and you can't describe. But it seems to require some central control, but you don't like oppression. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do to get this figured out.
@minivanjack (2) "Solid facts" about implementing the Equal Money System is being currently being disseminated on the social networks via various blogs and websites. It really can't be seriously detailed in forums like YouTube, but the information is available through searching the internet.
@DarrylWThomas Great and workable principals do not take reams of paper to describe. Equal Money has a good simple, practical idea for social equity or it does not. If you can't express that here in a few posts it is not something that people will embrace and support.
@minivanjack The Equal Money system is a democratic & economic government (One Person, One Vote) that is based on universal equality and respect for life. This is a post-capitalist government where money doesn't buy power for an elite. EMS is the end of all elites, Economic Darwinism and political deception. People will no longer waste their lives working only for money. Basic needs will be provided by the State as the State (the People) will only exist to do what is best for all.
@DarrylWThomas "What is best for all" ?! Last I checked "All" has never said what is best for it. That means that some "leader" will be deciding what is best for all. And that will also happen to be best for that "leader". Democracy? I noticed you never responded to my definition of democracy. Two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. Mob rule. Study some history, all your mistakes are there.
@minivanjack The Principle of an Equal Money System will sort this out as no one has more power over the other in a pratical way. Yet everyone will have equal power in monetary value. It's the realization & agreement between all participants to support the foundation for a Equality System. Currently the view point 'Dog eat Dog' that you've pointed out is existing b/c of system is feeding on the Inequality of mankind. Equal Money System will equalize this very point of abuse. Abuse or NO!
@kiengb Your system will be corrupted from day one. You will never get unanimous "realization and agreement". You still haven't answered the question "Who will be in control of this "equality". As you explain it, it must be controlled by a central dictator and arbitrary policies.
@minivanjack It's not difficult to see that the participants have created the monetary system as an abuser. That is the aim within your video you're trying to convey for the creation of 'Fiat Currency', b/c of the inequality that is exisiting within Each One as an Abuser. Self Responsibility to Collective Responsibility is the Sollution - Equal Money System. You have to realize this for yourSELF. MONEY is currently a twisted form of MAN EYE
@kiengb Even if a collective is rigidly defined, stable and consistent, individual perceptions of ones "responsibility to the collective" will vary with each individual. Equal Money does not seem to allow that "responsibility" to be voluntary (variable). Therefore, there must be central control. Therefore corruption, skimming, waste, abuse and power brokering are inevitable. There is nothing new or ideal there according to any of the EMS messages on this page.
@minivanjack Collective Responsibility represent the individual Responsibility to ensure that all get equal share of this money within the system that it represent. Answer Equal Money System.
@kiengb That may be your personal definition, but do you control the collective? Are you the dictator? The lawmaker? The individual "responsibility" to support the collective, to be equal to all, must be defined by a central authority. Why is it that you and all EMS posters avoid the question of the central control and rule necessary to your concept? Whether by direct voter consensus, representation or dictatorship there must be central control of individuals, so, abuse and corruption.
@minivanjack There's a simple reason why 'all' hasn't said what is best for it. All has been separated, divided, diverted and manipulated by forces that has operated under a program of self-interest and money. One day the people will wake up. We want them to do it before it is too late. Your fear of "tyranny" prevents you to see how One Person, One Vote is the most practical principle in dealing with issues that affect everyone. Sorry that makes you feel like a sheep among wolves.
@DarrylWThomas "that makes you feel"?? You do love to invent things to suit yourself. That doesn't "make me feel" anything. That is mob rule. The majority "ruling" and violating the rights of the minority and the individual. You will never get equity by letting people "vote" on anything. Control is control.
@minivanjack If you are going to have a society then you are going to have controls to regulate relationships between people. Are you advocating "anarchy"? Your apparent disdain for democracy and "tyranny" from "control" (I assume you mean "state control") is very curious. This clip on the subject of fiat money seems directed to get people (as a group) to gain "control" over the situation and do something about it. So I don't understand where you are coming from.
@DarrylWThomas "Controls to regulate relationships? No thank you, I can manage my own relationships. It is very clear that you don't understand. There are other options besides mob rule ("democracy") and anarchy. Obviously I a not suggesting anarchy. I am suggesting individual responsibility, honor and rights. "Controls" are for tyrants and slaves.
@minivanjack Fascinating. What do you get when a group of individuals relate responsibly and honorably with each other if not equality and justice? And what "rights" can one assert without being recognized by others?
@DarrylWThomas You described a Republic of Individual Sovereigns there. So Equal Money relies on the good behavior of all members and has no central authority?
@minivanjack The system of justice must be simplistic - one basic law: Life as the highest value, thus practically promoting what's best for all, always considering the whole. The details of systems &the re-evaluation of our management as humanity are issues that'll have to be decided by the majority through &within democracy - and given the conditions the majority find ourselves today, i am certain most people will agree it's time to find common sense as our common interest on common ground.
@minivanjack The "right to operate freely" has historically been abused to cause a lot of human suffering in this world under colonial & neoliberal economic practices. This in itself is economic totalitarianism. All people are exploited by this neoliberal economic domination -it's just that some slaves can afford to buy toys other slaves are forced to manufacture. Foxconn is a case in point why your thesis of "rights" and "freedom" is incoherent, ironic and self-deceptive.
@DarrylWThomas Foxconn has nothing to do with my comments or positions. You are throwing red herrings, and you are failing to explain how your system will force redistribution to create "equality". Please explain the mechanism that will force the redistribution of resources, possessions and equity. You say people must "give". Who forces them to do that?
@minivanjack I used Foxconn as an example in how your comments about "the right to operate freely" within this capitalist system doesn't make sense because such a thing isn't even possible under current circumstances. One's reality is contingent upon the ability to purchase survival from others. There's no "freedom" within that at all no matter where you happen to fall within the enslavement spectrum, and that is the point I addressed.
@DarrylWThomas Believe it or not, working for Foxconn is a choice. We set our wages and working conditions by agreeing to them. We have freedom the moment we take it. Freedom cannot be given. Only benefits and privileges are given. Freedom must be taken.
@minivanjack "Working for Foxconn is a choice," alright. So is exploiting crummy economic conditions of one segment of the human race so another may benefit. Choosing between starvation or exploitation is not a "choice" made "freely." It is the response to the immediacy of survival, which one either "chooses" to temporarily forestall, or like a few Foxconn workers, leap to their deaths when nothing of life was left within them, You are trivializing great suffering. Shame on you.
@DarrylWThomas I am not trivializing, you are missing my point. The more tyranny we suffer the more of us must oppose the tyranny. There are two enemies of justice, the tyrant and the willing slave of the tyrant. The tyrant alone can do nothing. EMS does not account for everyone's obligation to resist tyranny. If people are exercising their responsibility to resist tyranny your 'inequity" problem solves itself.
@minivanjack part 2 until people get it we will be going down the drain. It's simple, Equal Money is about reurning to everybody the same acess to the planet resources that was intended before some smart cookies started the hoarding game. At the moment you are living the illusion of freedom, as George Carlin said you may choose between TV channels and bagel flavours, you can't even choose your own president, time to wake up to the real problem, ask yourself why you are against
@minivanjack part 3 Equality, and inside yourself you will find WHY the world is the way it is, guess what, the Elite is against Equality too, YOURS, you are not an Equal you are less than them, so the only possible correction is to Equalize everything and everybody to what exists here, than the abuses will stop, the violence will stop, everything that is an outflow of Inequality stops, you would be surprised how many Godly people don't want to give as they would like to receive....
@egozzini Define "equality". Equally free to produce for ourselves? Or equally enslaved to produce for the collective? Voluntary giving is called charity, involuntary "giving" is called slavery. We can all be equal and we can all be eating dirt. You have to have incentive to produce.
@minivanjack All are born from the dust of the earth & all return to dust. The value of life is life - within that is equality. Allow all equally the value of life in physical terms - Love thy neighbor as thy self - that is equality. Dignified living conditions to be born into, regardless where - that is equality.
Charity do not address the root of the problem, but only serve the 'clearing' of one's conscience so that one may sit back and allow/accept the world to continue 'as we know it'.
@BellaBargilly When you define what "dignified living" is, you will see the problem. Someone must provide that "dignity" and it will not be free. Can you define "dignified living"? The only "dignity" that is free is that we provide for ourselves. If we are required to provide "dignity" for others, then our resources must be forcibly redistributed.
@minivanjack we do live in a society with other beings, so we require to 'live together' and should find a system in which we can distribute resources to everyone in the best way possible - and that 'best way' can only be determined through the principle of 'give to another as you would like to receive'. It is common sense to treat another how we ourselves would like to be treated, there is no discussion or arguing in this. So herein is 'freedom' yet not in a self-centered way
@solex4plescar "We can distribute resources" ... who is "we", what "resources" are being distributed, and who gets the authority to force that distribution? Some (psychopathic) leader? You? Me? Pat Robertson? Rachel Maddow? a Supreme Politburo Committee? Let's get some answers here.
@minivanjack 'we', the people in a DEMOCRATIC system - quite like what you are suggesting in your video by implying that a government should be 'under' the people - the government should indeed serve what is best for the people, and that government should therefore be established through democratic elections, not unlike what we have today, only more transparent and less corrupt.
@solex4plescar OK, so, EMS subscribes to an idealized form of "Democracy", or mob rule, where, for "the greater good" the majority may deny the rights, property, health and lives of individuals, administered by easily corrupted politicians and bureaucrats, with no particular mechanism to prevent the corruption.
And EMS is then opposed to a "Republican" form of government where no one may be infringed except by those he has harmed, government or otherwise.
@minivanjack how is to deny the rights, property, health and lives of the individuals in any way "the greater good"?! obviously what "the greater good" should be is what is best for each individual as a living being. What we are living right now, as capitalism, communism, socialism, etc - is all within this "greater good" concept of using the people to give their lives to an apparent 'greater system' wherein the "greater good" basically means the few with all the money and power
@minivanjack There is an absolute Greater Good, and that is equality, Equal rights, equal access to everything that the planet is giving for free, equal access to the best education, equal access to having a roof over your head, equal access to the best healthcare, and yes the principle of Equality is what will drive the EMS, those that are against equality however they dress up their reasons will be voted against. The system will be handled by the people, no space or need for
@egozzini What does equality have to do with material benefits like education, healthcare and housing? Those things cost money. Equality means no one can deny your ownership of your property. It does not mean a bunch of taxpayers have to pay for your material benefits. That is inequality. They pay, you benefit.
@minivanjack corruption when everyone is Equal ! What can you shoot for ? More Equality ? :) Corruption is a byproduct of the capitalistic system where for every winner there are many losers, it's driven by competition, within Equality there will be no competition, there is a Forum if you are interested you'll find all about it there even why EMS IS NOT AT ALL LIKE COMMUNISM ! therwise as I said, you can wait until the whole project will be politically introduced, you can vote
@egozzini You are using the term "politically". Politics is analogous with compromise and consensus. In politics, if 10% of the people are criminals then 10% of government and law is criminal, unless corruption skews that. That is "representation" and "democracy". The word "Politics" is based on the "greater good at the expense of individual rights" model. Despotic greedy psychopaths just love to install themselves as "leaders" of such collectives.
@minivanjack against it, but the have nots already have the majority, funny how that is, that the meek will inherit the earth, with a twist, everyone will benefit, because everyone will be Equal, but nobody will be more (or less), this principle is non negotiable, Equality will cure most of the diseases of the planet, Earth is the correction facility where we realize the consequences of Inequality, funny how nobody gets it while it's in front of everyone's eyes.
@egozzini Everybody gets it, but here's the point that is not in front of our eyes: Nature, biology, the jungle, reality, none of those things operate in "equality". The strong survive, they even dominate until they weaken or make themselves extinct. That's nature. Equality has to be imposed by a regime of arbitrary control administered by power-trippers who decide for themselves what "equality" means, then they impose that on others for benefit for the benefit of the power-trippers.
@minivanjack we do not know why nature functions the way it does/how this all started. to use this to JUSTIFY the exploitation of life to the benefit of a few (who simply happened to be born into bloodlines of influence) is a shame!
Perhaps nature/the animal kingdom are reflecting us back to ourselves? Perhaps we arent only the effect, but also the cause of this existence? It's time to reconsider what we take for granted & the justifications we use to not have to take responsibility for LIFE!
@minivanjack providing dignity for yourself only without making sure everyone is equally in a position to provide for themselves is an application of ego & separation. Again you speak about 'y/our resources' - yes they will have to be redistributed just like the earth provides equally for all. No one should own oil or water, no one owns the sun. Around the world, the people already show a force. What we're saying is, let's not wait until this force destroys everything, let's manage ourselves!
@BellaBargilly OK, so my resources will "have to be redistributed", as if I am rich? Now that we have established that back to the question. Who has the authority to take and redistribute my resources? What kind of force will they use? Who will decide what resources I will be permitted to access? Who will be the tyrant dictator who will administer the redistribution? Please answer how that person will be chosen, and why it will not be a psychopath.
@Stridus7 Depends on what you mean by religious. If by religious you mean "utilizing a set of faith based beliefs that dictate your morality, sense of purpose, etc" then I would say yes you are in fact religious. Religions are just largely agreed on sets of faith based beliefs. If you had many people following your beliefs you would somewhat be starting a makeshift religion.
2.) Dissolve all debts and usery schemes with military coercion.
3.) Nationally regiment all industrial, agricultural and infrastructural investment. Simply coerce the captains of industry and financiers into investing in America without interest or other funny business via a white collar gulag system located in the DPRK.
@longfang40 Notes are not the problem, interest is. So, I say no interest owed on the issuance of currency. Many competitive currencies based on reputation and integrity. No regulations, no restrictions, just reputation and integrity and a free market. If your currency isn't proven and trusted nobody has to use it, and nobody gets to charge interest or "income tax" on any currencies. They are just paper!
what the hell is wrong with a generic IOU as long as a parasitic banker is not facilitating the creation of it? you need my brains and i need your fancy presentation skills.
@minivanjack yes, i said a parasitc banker is creating it. and then i said something after that. do you see it? i have to know, because it appears there's some kind of hypnotizing goin on. is it just me? does 2+2=5?
@philoplatt It does have the name on it. Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank regulated by the Federal Reserv Board. The notes (IOU's) are owned and controlled by the Federal Reserve bank, and their control, at their request, has been codified in statute by corrupt legislators. If it were owned by "the public", then "the public" would have no reason to pay taxes and interest on it.
@minivanjack i meant the borrowers name isn't on it. it's supposed to be owned by the public. if i could get someone to redo my presentations professionaly, the bank would die.
@philoplatt The borrowers are named through their fiduciaries, the Treasurer and the Secretary of the Treasury who both sign and authorize every Federal Reserve note (IOU) "on behalf" of the "public".
@minivanjack Are you trying to tell me that the bank doesn't have any money before a borrower walks into it to have it facilitate a loan and the true lender is the person who takes the money in exchange for a product or service? Holy crap!
@philoplatt@philoplatt That is exactly true. Banks do not lend money from their own accounts or their depositors accounts. The funding comes from the Treasury/Federal Reserve in the form of digital money out of thin air to your account. At that moment you have full title, free and clear, on your home. The bank, simply as a "loan servicer", then steals those funds from you as "abandoned funds" and tricks you into "paying them back". And yes, "holy crap" is correct.
@philoplatt The process I described just above on debt monetization is confirmed by the Federal Reserve's own publications which clearly state that "Funds are created and deposited at the bank (in the "borrower's" name) when someone applies for a loan".
@minivanjack So your saying the borrower essentially borrows a house from the community, and as he extinguishes the debt with the community, he also has to extinguish debt with the banker(compounding interest) when the banker never loaned him anything? Wow! That's heavy.
@philoplatt Yes, but the "debt" is not "extinguished". The bank steals the payments. The payments are owed to the taxpayers who will suffer the inflation form the currency creation. Income tax must be paid to balance the account and pay the interest. The principal remains as "debt" to the taxpayer forever and that debt (and income tax) always grows because congress can't stop spending. The Ponzi scheme will soon collapse because the debt is now too large to sustain.
@minivanjack So you're saying that as the borrower produces stuff to exchange to the rest of the community for the IOU's he got from the bank, to give back the bank(plus the IOU's that were created because of the compounding interest), we only think there's a huge national debt because we're brainwashed? Unbelievable!
@philoplatt Yes, but in this case it is not so much brainwashing as simple non-disclosure, fraud and deceit. We are made to believe we have "borrowed" money on these major purchases such as homes and cars. That is not the case. It is important to understand this does not apply to "hard money" lending. Money is sometimes lent, by local banks and credit unions, just not on mortgages and major "loan" contracts (notes) with large banks. They actually call them "debt" contracts. There is no loan.
@philoplatt Some people make the mistake that all debt can be "discharged" (extinguished) because the funds were created by fiat (decree) for the debt and they can be just as easily "discharged" or un-created without harm to anyone. For normal transactions day to day, and for many loans, money is not created that way. Usually money that is spent or lent was already earned by the spender or lender. Only large banks are creating currency out of thin air, and only those "debts" can be discharged.
@minivanjack Do you mean to say that when a seller of a product takes IOU's, he is merely transferring debt from someone else to himself? And, when he purchases something with the IOU, it is only then he completes a sale? And, when I loan IOU's that I have earned, I'm risking those earnings and am actually an investor? Amazing!
What is amazing is that people use Federal Reserve Notes even though they are taxed, not once but dozens of ways, by inflation, income tax, sales tax, payroll taxes, permits and fees, layers and layers of business and corporate taxes from every stage of a product's development, marketing, transportation and distribution, tax tax tax tax tax tax tax, but only with FRN's and other fiat currencies, not with "real money", commodities and barter.
@minivanjack Are you saying the compounding interest you pay the banker is a tax? Because he's not the real lender and risks nothing? And only the collective community is risking because defaults cause inflation? And that we're actually in a communist country? Wow! What's "sarcasm"?
@philoplatt These are tricky concepts and it's hard to tell what is meant sometimes. My apologies for any misunderstanding. The payments on the loan are not a tax because they go to the bank, no the government. Inflation is a tax, and income tax is exclusively for the purpose of paying interest on public debt and keeping inflation from spiraling out of control by taking currency out of circulation. Problem is, gov't puts it right back.
@minivanjack Are you saying everybody has less money because there's less money in circulation then there was in 2007? And inflation is caused by people defaulting? And the progressive tax was enacted to keep everyone divided? And the government should overthrow the bank and take the place of the bank by issuing currency in small amounts directly to all the people? A small amount that the producer doesn't have to pay back until retirement with no interest attached? Genius!
@minivanjack Due to political realities, government cannot responsibly manage the issue of currency, nor can retirees "pay back" all the currency they have used in their lives. People should issue their own currencies, backed, unbacked, solvent, debt-based, whatever. There should be no restrictions or control by "government" on currency. Only in an unregulated competitive environment can currency become honest, stable and sound. Currency must live or die based on competitive integrity.
Arguing over the technical implementation of the currency currently enslaving you is exactly what they want you to do. Economists cannot unwrap the onion skin of obfuscation the fat cats have draped over their eyes. Knock yourselves out.
Sure, the banks are committing fraud right now. No one is indicted, are they?
Maybe they can find a few low-level token sacrifices if they have to.
They stole your money in 1913. Google it. It's them -- the 0.01%.
@minivanjack There is only one solution that I have seen. A gentleman by the name of Mike Montagne ferreted it out in 1979. He calls his idea Mathematically Perfected Economy(tm) and is working on constitutional language to make his idea a reality. You owe yourself a visit to his website (that YouTube won't let me quote.)
A belief system is a set of mutually supportive beliefs. The beliefs may be religious, philosophical, ideological ,governments, laws, good ,bad or a combination of these.they "draw people in and hold them captive so they become willing slaves ... if you get sucked in, it can be extremely difficult to think your way clear again" these control you they are beliefs and not need . even banking system is a belief system as we know it today
If you sell me your chicken for a few pounds of my wheat after harvest (a promissory note) how is my debt to you a bad thing? There is nothing wrong with debt, Jerry, we incur debts all the time. Debt is part of living.
Where FRNs go wrong is not because of debt, or even being printed from thin air (backed by collateral, we assume) but through the charging of interest for their use. We pay a fee to use money owned by someone else. Law requires it.
@minivanjack I am not sure what you're saying, here. The exchange is even, but occurs after an agreed upon time. Asking for wheat when I have only seed is like my asking for your chickens while you have only eggs.
You try to place a higher value on your time than mine, I think. Usury takes many strange forms.
though i am a firm believer in God, and strongly believe that the Federal Reserve believe in some evil entity rather than the God we know, this is a brilliant video.
Another excellent and straight to the point video, I admire your clear thinking and ability to convey truth is such an understandable way. I was at first very confused with all the truths I was exposed to a few years back, but now I see plainly and am able to explain in layman terms exactly how this is all happening. Those who once doubted me are now realizing the truth. Seeds of truth always grow, no matter the soil.
@beachFront1000 Think about that, "confiscation of gold" as if your owning gold was harmful to someone. It is only harmful to a fake-money monopoly that feeds on people's debt. Obviously, confiscation of gold is a crime, but government sometimes commits criminal acts, so how do you protect ANYTHING from tyranny and criminals? Knowledge, planning, courage wits and hopefully a lot of friends who see the tyranny and match your courage.
@beachFront1000 Hide the gold, stuff it somewhere that their sniffers and their trackers cannot find it, maybe a lead lined steel box inside a concrete block would be good, buried at least 6 feet under rock and rubble and packed hard with a ton-weight to make sure they can't easily get at it or even have a hint it is there. It may seem inconvenient, but it would definitely be worth it to keep it after they have taken all the other people's gold.
So what is your opinion about bitcoin good or bad I want to hear it, but try to be political about it if you are against bitcoin.
Here is my opinion...
Bticoin solves a problem we have had with all currencies... Backed or unbacked they are promises to pay. And with 100% rate of failure those promises have been broken. Bitcoin has no one to corrupt into changing the rules, thus it's a better money substitute than backed currency.
@davincij15 Bitcoin is one of many alternative methods of currency that would be needed to establish choice, stability, integrity, fairness and diversity in the economic landscape. The downside of bitcoin is that it is subject to hacking, official raids and most important of all, internet shutdown or disruption. In emergencies such as we have seen in Libya, Egypt, etc. the prevailing tyrants have simply shut down the info-grids, and/or the U.S. bombed the infrastructure.
Thanks you have kindly pointed out real issues with the bitcoin system. Those issues exist also for paper currency backed up by gold - it's subject to info-grids (is the gold gone?) and the existence of entity backing it up not being bombed, Tyrants taking off with the gold etc. :)
This is why I tell everyone that only gold and silver in your hands is money everything else is just a money substitute or convenient currency.
With bitcoin or backed dollar I will be taking gold home
I’m not religious either, and regard it as evil. If you want to get good people to do wicked things you need religion.
Religion is an Agenda that exercises control and exerts authority and influence, and is essentially a despotic fiefdom. Religion is Fanaticism, and has excessive intolerance of opposing views; Religion is dominionist, and demagogy and obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.
No, replace religion with corruption, envy , cunning, craftiness, those things, they use religion. Religion is not a problem. Before those things, religion was not those things. After those things, the religion of Jesus ( peace, meditation, self study ) become tyranny ( do what pope says or else )
I’m republican, I’m Democrat, I’m Catholic, I’m Baptist, I’m American, I’m Mexican, I’m White, I’m Black, is all DIVISION.
Senate Document # 43; SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 62 (Pg 9, Para 2) April 17, 1933. "The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called "ownership” is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere user; d." (Emphasis added)
You thing the NAME on that BIRTH CERTIFICATE is yours? Who created it? Doesn’t it say the STATE somewhere on that piece of paper? Then that’s whom it must belong to. Look at the BIRTH CERTIFICATE as a GIFT CERTIFICATE.
The problem is everybody think they own things, when in fact your just using ‘SHIT”. The so-called STATE and GOVERNMENT holds LEGAL TITLE to everything, and you have what is call EQUITABLE TITLE.
The vehicle you drive is registered, and to register something means to transfer ownership, to which you get the certificate of title, and they hold the original manufacturers title in they’re records.
You said, we created the government? What evidence do you have we created the so-called GOVERNMENT? Define “WE”, who’s we? Could you be speaking FRENCH
“IN GOD WE TRUST”, they never define GOD, replace GOD with GOVERNMERNT, and you get “IN GOVERNMENT WE TRUST”, or “IN CORPORATION WE TRUST”.
NO they didn’t put GOD on the money in defiance to KING GEORGE. “GOD” MEANS CORPORATION, that’s why people in can’t understand real truth. The UNITED STATES is a CORPORATION.
George Washington was the first Apotheos of the United States. Apo Theos can be translated literally "Appointor of Gods". Was George Washington a god?
God means Love. You can't touch Love or fill a pail with it. You can't see it. You can't "know" it exists by your criteria but you DO know it exists. You feel it. You use it. You give it . You take it. You NEED it yet you can't hold it in your hands. All this talk of God is misdirection designed to keep us defocused from Love to the idols we have accepted as Love we call Gods. God defined is that which each of us spend the majority of our time gathering to ourselves. Money is most peoples God.
You know what the problem is in this video and also with the expressed opinions is? “He who claims ownership claims liability” Any time your claiming ownership of something you get the BILL, YOU GET THE LIABILITY, so pay the tax, and Since you say, “Our government”, “Our dollar”, “Our currency”, “Our nation” Does it belong to you? What evidence do you have that you own anything, but if you think it’s yours, then what’s your bitch.
“Religion is the opium of the people“ “religion’s purpose is to create illusory fantasies for the poor. Economic realities prevent them from finding true happiness in this life, so religion tells them that this is OK because they will find true happiness in the next life”.
@minivanjack Even with the odds of Gold-confiscation or prohibition of owning gold privately. Or J P Morgan influencing the precious metal market, downwards?
Okay, one correction to my own post, then really I must slumber. The Fed carries "gold and gold swapped" on its balance sheet. No one knows how much physical gold it actually has. One more reason to audit the Fed.
@JiveDadson A balance sheet is not the same as a reserve. If you have a reserve you have a balance sheet, but if you have a balance sheet you don't necessarily have a reserve.
@minivanjack Yes, I am trying to teach. You have a good heart, and I admire your initiative. I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions. Please quit asking that awful question. Whether or not what I post is true or not does not depend on my intentions. But my intentions are, in my small way, to help audit the Fed, end the Fed, and restore Liberty.
@JiveDadson Does auditing the Fed put us over the top? It seems like a long way from there to ending the Fed, ending debt-based currency and ending Income Tax. It almost seems easier for all of us to start trading in currencies and commodities over which the Fed has no authority. The added benefit is, as their currency collapses we won't be holding it.
'Goverment of the people, by the people & for the people'-Lincoln. It's your very existence at the moment. Except for the 'Fiat Currency' part that you've accepted & allowed as "mirrors & smoke"
kiengb 1 week ago
@kiengb I've allowed?? So I am Ben Bernanke? Did I sound like I was promoting fiat currency in that video? What are you talking about?
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack The 'Mirror & Smoke" part is the INEQUALITY that each one of us has accepted & allowed for it to become as a system. We can also accept & allow for EQUALITY to exist as a system individually to collectively. Answer: Equal Money System as this prevent the abuser to abuse. The current monetary system allow abusers to thrive. How do you suggest preventing people from stopping abusing with the current monetary system?
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@kiengb That is yet another non-explanation and non-answer to my questions. You are not convincing anyone of anything because you not communicating wit those general and vague claims.
minivanjack 1 week ago
Support the Equal Money System as it's the solution to this self abdication of Self Responsibility as the very system as self has created as a DEBT SYSTEM - DEATH SYSTEM.
kiengb 1 week ago
if you have a pile of money like uncle scrooge under a new monetary system it will have no value, sure you can give it the value you want but it wn't be useful for trading and purchasing.
Nobody gets to take your stuff and give it away, there will not be private property anymore so what I mean is you cannot understand the EMS basing yourself on what you know about economy, it won't work, hang in there, when we'll enter politics you'll get it :)
egozzini 1 week ago
@egozzini I have no trouble "getting" anything you are explaining. The question is, why aren't you explaining it? Is EMS based on true human nature or an imposed "system" of control? You don't need to be in "politics" to explain your ideologies.
minivanjack 1 week ago
you don't yet understand Equal Money because in your words is written everywhere that you support the Inequality of this world because you don't want to give Equally, nor you understand that redistribution won't be necessary when you rewrite a system for All, you can keep what you have, it will just no longer be worth anything, this is how you change the system, can't win, can't join it, you have to step out of the Monopoly game, all infrastructures will be at the service of Life
egozzini 1 week ago
@egozzini You said "what I have will have no value". Wrong. It will have whatever value I perceive it to have. We each have our own control of our perceptions and we each set the price of our own possessions. You say "I don't want to give". Sure I do. What I said is I don't want someone else to have the "authority" to give away my stuff without my consent. Do I get to give away your stuff? Who gets to give away who's stuff? That's called "haves" and "have nots". Inequity.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@egozzini You said people are "born with equal credit", so someone controls credit for you before you are born? Who, Ben Bernanke? The Dali Lama? Some flawed human being or committee controls everyone else's lives. Here's the equation. Control=collectives=pots of money=temptation=corruption=inequity=tyranny. That equation describes every "system" in world history. 95% of any "system" must be tyranny prevention.
minivanjack 1 week ago
Money is the God of existence, the sooner we face this, the faster we can come to a solution. God doesn't feed you, doen't pay for school for a roof over your head, Money does, it's Money that decides who lives and who dies, so Money is the Unfair God we have allowed to rule existence. We must give what we would like to receive, funny how even the religious or spiritual people don't want to hear this..because..Money is their GOD ! So, if and when you are ready join us visit Equalmoney
egozzini 1 week ago 16
@egozzini In any ideology where you guarantee income for one person, you guarantee slavery for another. Redistribution of wealth creates little other than secret pots of money and a massive opportunity for corruption and waste. Who takes my money? Who guarantees my "equal money"? Who manages that? Stalin? Hitler? Dick Cheney? Barack Obama? Anonymous "Equal Money" webmasters? No thank you. You may not "guarantee" my earnings to others.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack It's interesting how people attack Equal Money without knowing or understanding anything about it yet, which is a prove of your brainwashing to words, what's wrong with being Equal to everyone on the planet or are you advocating your right to be MORE ? Equal money System will be managed by everyone for everyone, there will no longer be paper money and people will be born in credit and not in debit, given an amount to sustain their whole life, Inequality is the problem
egozzini 1 week ago 5
@egozzini I do know something about Equal Money, I read the web site. I did not attack Equal Money, I attacked the idea that my earnings would be taken and distributed by someone other than myself. I am advocating the right to keep what I earn and to earn what I wish to keep. If my earnings are snatched into some giant pot to be managed by some psychopath who aspires to do that, I will not bother to earn, and the redistribution model will collapse, as did the Soviet Union.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack , yes and so is the Elite :) we have never talked about redistribution of wealth, we are talking about Equal access to the planet resources, a complete different concept, because if you don't want to see the Equality in others don't complain when the Elite doesn't see the Equality in you and keeps you from living a dignified life that everyone deserves. There won't be my earnings in an EMS , a a slave to a debt sys, there will be your givens, completely different .....
egozzini 1 week ago 6
@egozzini Enforcement of "equal access"is called "redistribution". How else can you enforce that "equal access"? Somebody besides the earner and rightful possessor is ENFORCING the presumed "ideal"distribution or "access" if that's what you want to call it. You don't seem to distinguish between the right to operate freely and the "right" for a person to receive a benefit paid for or created by another person, that benefit being transferred by force of policy, authority and regime.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack the words "rightful possessor" indicate a problem - no one is rightful possessor of anything, as everything was here before one was born, the earth provides for all, but man wants to own/possess. As a result mankind is possessed by its possessions, so much so that it allows for half the world to starve. Supply&demand in the current system is not based on the actual needs of everyone but only serves the perpetuation of consumerism, consumption and the con of 'power'. This must stop!
BellaBargilly 1 week ago 2
@BellaBargilly So I don't possess the thing I made my self and hold in my hands? Just one problem, who pries my fingers off of it to give it to the person you decide needs it? Without some kind of police state Equal Money does not work. What group of goons gets to decide and enforce who possesses what? Even the most non- "property ownership" societies allowed personal possession.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack obviously we dont want a police state. And yes mankind will require a new agreement to change what is here. Perhaps it's time we actually learned something from history and realize that we can't continue blaming& shifting responsibility. Those with most power should be those with most responsibility, yet in actuality this isnt the case.
Keep your personal possessions, no-one's gonna take them away from you -but the way you approach the matter reveals the actual problem in the world.
BellaBargilly 1 week ago
@BellaBargilly "The way I approach the matter"? At least I approach it. You cannot seem to explain the mechanism of your system of "justice". Does it, or does it not involve collective control and force? Explain it. No one supporting Equal Money seems to be able to do that.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack "Does it, or does it not involve collective control and force?" What greater force is there than moral force of the majority? EMS should be put to a popular vote and if a new morality that includes the well-being for everyone descends from that, who are you to oppose it? Morality is indeed the "collective control and force" that helps society remain stable. The neoliberal ideal of exceptional individualism has long ago been discredited. Time for Plan E. Equality
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas Mob rule has been consistently discredited. Since when is the majority moral? They feed themselves at the expense of the collective. Individual liberty is the foundation of our country's original freedom, greatness and prosperity. I never mentioned or advocated "exceptional individualism". You seem to make very loose and self-serving interpretations of what others say. I could say you advocate "Exceptional Statism".
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack "Morality" is simply a collective "rules" a society has agreed upon. When you appeal to the ideal of "individual liberty as the foundation of our country's freedom," you seem to forget that this country was founded on the subjugation, the forced control of some groups over others. The wealth of America was built on the bonds of slavery, exploitation and colonization of certain groups over others for Christ's sake. Your perspective is biased and distorted. Clear it.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas I see, so you hate everything about the U.S. back to the beginning and anyone who doesn't see it that way has to "clear it". So please share what country's system you admire and why. Make sure it's better than the U.S. of course. Make sure I won't be able to point out it's flaws like you just did for the U.S. So far you are a bit short of solid facts and explanations to make any case for the "Equal Money System".
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack (1)"Hate America?" I'm just challenging and pointing out the flaws of your appraisal of the USA ever having a "foundation of freedom," because it obviously wasn't set up that way except for the wealthy, white elites who ran everything, just as they do now. They had a grand time spinning yarns about "liberty and freedom" and managed to get their dominating imperialism, & enslavement programs admired as the highlight of human achievement. Your premise doesn't hold.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas You made some wild guess that I wouldn't notice that you completely evaded my question? If your purpose here is to simply attack your posts will be deleted. Please answer the question. Cite the better example of government. Point out the political mechanism that leads to perfect equity. Do it.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack There is no country's "system" I currently "admire." They are all equally oppressive and authoritarian being based on capitalist economic systems to one extent or another. A democratic system of govt. based on the principle of economic equality that removes all forms of plutocratic,self- interest and economic domination that has corrupted all forms of current governance is the only form that I would ever support, which would be an Equal Money System.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas You want a system that has never existed and you can't describe. But it seems to require some central control, but you don't like oppression. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do to get this figured out.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack (2) "Solid facts" about implementing the Equal Money System is being currently being disseminated on the social networks via various blogs and websites. It really can't be seriously detailed in forums like YouTube, but the information is available through searching the internet.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas Great and workable principals do not take reams of paper to describe. Equal Money has a good simple, practical idea for social equity or it does not. If you can't express that here in a few posts it is not something that people will embrace and support.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack The Equal Money system is a democratic & economic government (One Person, One Vote) that is based on universal equality and respect for life. This is a post-capitalist government where money doesn't buy power for an elite. EMS is the end of all elites, Economic Darwinism and political deception. People will no longer waste their lives working only for money. Basic needs will be provided by the State as the State (the People) will only exist to do what is best for all.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas "What is best for all" ?! Last I checked "All" has never said what is best for it. That means that some "leader" will be deciding what is best for all. And that will also happen to be best for that "leader". Democracy? I noticed you never responded to my definition of democracy. Two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. Mob rule. Study some history, all your mistakes are there.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack The Principle of an Equal Money System will sort this out as no one has more power over the other in a pratical way. Yet everyone will have equal power in monetary value. It's the realization & agreement between all participants to support the foundation for a Equality System. Currently the view point 'Dog eat Dog' that you've pointed out is existing b/c of system is feeding on the Inequality of mankind. Equal Money System will equalize this very point of abuse. Abuse or NO!
kiengb 1 week ago
@kiengb Your system will be corrupted from day one. You will never get unanimous "realization and agreement". You still haven't answered the question "Who will be in control of this "equality". As you explain it, it must be controlled by a central dictator and arbitrary policies.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack It's not difficult to see that the participants have created the monetary system as an abuser. That is the aim within your video you're trying to convey for the creation of 'Fiat Currency', b/c of the inequality that is exisiting within Each One as an Abuser. Self Responsibility to Collective Responsibility is the Sollution - Equal Money System. You have to realize this for yourSELF. MONEY is currently a twisted form of MAN EYE
kiengb 1 week ago
@kiengb Even if a collective is rigidly defined, stable and consistent, individual perceptions of ones "responsibility to the collective" will vary with each individual. Equal Money does not seem to allow that "responsibility" to be voluntary (variable). Therefore, there must be central control. Therefore corruption, skimming, waste, abuse and power brokering are inevitable. There is nothing new or ideal there according to any of the EMS messages on this page.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack Collective Responsibility represent the individual Responsibility to ensure that all get equal share of this money within the system that it represent. Answer Equal Money System.
kiengb 1 week ago
@kiengb That may be your personal definition, but do you control the collective? Are you the dictator? The lawmaker? The individual "responsibility" to support the collective, to be equal to all, must be defined by a central authority. Why is it that you and all EMS posters avoid the question of the central control and rule necessary to your concept? Whether by direct voter consensus, representation or dictatorship there must be central control of individuals, so, abuse and corruption.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack There's a simple reason why 'all' hasn't said what is best for it. All has been separated, divided, diverted and manipulated by forces that has operated under a program of self-interest and money. One day the people will wake up. We want them to do it before it is too late. Your fear of "tyranny" prevents you to see how One Person, One Vote is the most practical principle in dealing with issues that affect everyone. Sorry that makes you feel like a sheep among wolves.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas "that makes you feel"?? You do love to invent things to suit yourself. That doesn't "make me feel" anything. That is mob rule. The majority "ruling" and violating the rights of the minority and the individual. You will never get equity by letting people "vote" on anything. Control is control.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack If you are going to have a society then you are going to have controls to regulate relationships between people. Are you advocating "anarchy"? Your apparent disdain for democracy and "tyranny" from "control" (I assume you mean "state control") is very curious. This clip on the subject of fiat money seems directed to get people (as a group) to gain "control" over the situation and do something about it. So I don't understand where you are coming from.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas "Controls to regulate relationships? No thank you, I can manage my own relationships. It is very clear that you don't understand. There are other options besides mob rule ("democracy") and anarchy. Obviously I a not suggesting anarchy. I am suggesting individual responsibility, honor and rights. "Controls" are for tyrants and slaves.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack Fascinating. What do you get when a group of individuals relate responsibly and honorably with each other if not equality and justice? And what "rights" can one assert without being recognized by others?
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago 2
@DarrylWThomas You described a Republic of Individual Sovereigns there. So Equal Money relies on the good behavior of all members and has no central authority?
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack The system of justice must be simplistic - one basic law: Life as the highest value, thus practically promoting what's best for all, always considering the whole. The details of systems &the re-evaluation of our management as humanity are issues that'll have to be decided by the majority through &within democracy - and given the conditions the majority find ourselves today, i am certain most people will agree it's time to find common sense as our common interest on common ground.
BellaBargilly 1 week ago
@BellaBargilly "Majority Rule" is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. You don't get to equality that way.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack The "right to operate freely" has historically been abused to cause a lot of human suffering in this world under colonial & neoliberal economic practices. This in itself is economic totalitarianism. All people are exploited by this neoliberal economic domination -it's just that some slaves can afford to buy toys other slaves are forced to manufacture. Foxconn is a case in point why your thesis of "rights" and "freedom" is incoherent, ironic and self-deceptive.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas Foxconn has nothing to do with my comments or positions. You are throwing red herrings, and you are failing to explain how your system will force redistribution to create "equality". Please explain the mechanism that will force the redistribution of resources, possessions and equity. You say people must "give". Who forces them to do that?
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack I used Foxconn as an example in how your comments about "the right to operate freely" within this capitalist system doesn't make sense because such a thing isn't even possible under current circumstances. One's reality is contingent upon the ability to purchase survival from others. There's no "freedom" within that at all no matter where you happen to fall within the enslavement spectrum, and that is the point I addressed.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas Believe it or not, working for Foxconn is a choice. We set our wages and working conditions by agreeing to them. We have freedom the moment we take it. Freedom cannot be given. Only benefits and privileges are given. Freedom must be taken.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack "Working for Foxconn is a choice," alright. So is exploiting crummy economic conditions of one segment of the human race so another may benefit. Choosing between starvation or exploitation is not a "choice" made "freely." It is the response to the immediacy of survival, which one either "chooses" to temporarily forestall, or like a few Foxconn workers, leap to their deaths when nothing of life was left within them, You are trivializing great suffering. Shame on you.
DarrylWThomas 1 week ago
@DarrylWThomas I am not trivializing, you are missing my point. The more tyranny we suffer the more of us must oppose the tyranny. There are two enemies of justice, the tyrant and the willing slave of the tyrant. The tyrant alone can do nothing. EMS does not account for everyone's obligation to resist tyranny. If people are exercising their responsibility to resist tyranny your 'inequity" problem solves itself.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack part 2 until people get it we will be going down the drain. It's simple, Equal Money is about reurning to everybody the same acess to the planet resources that was intended before some smart cookies started the hoarding game. At the moment you are living the illusion of freedom, as George Carlin said you may choose between TV channels and bagel flavours, you can't even choose your own president, time to wake up to the real problem, ask yourself why you are against
egozzini 1 week ago 7
@minivanjack part 3 Equality, and inside yourself you will find WHY the world is the way it is, guess what, the Elite is against Equality too, YOURS, you are not an Equal you are less than them, so the only possible correction is to Equalize everything and everybody to what exists here, than the abuses will stop, the violence will stop, everything that is an outflow of Inequality stops, you would be surprised how many Godly people don't want to give as they would like to receive....
egozzini 1 week ago 12
@egozzini Define "equality". Equally free to produce for ourselves? Or equally enslaved to produce for the collective? Voluntary giving is called charity, involuntary "giving" is called slavery. We can all be equal and we can all be eating dirt. You have to have incentive to produce.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack All are born from the dust of the earth & all return to dust. The value of life is life - within that is equality. Allow all equally the value of life in physical terms - Love thy neighbor as thy self - that is equality. Dignified living conditions to be born into, regardless where - that is equality.
Charity do not address the root of the problem, but only serve the 'clearing' of one's conscience so that one may sit back and allow/accept the world to continue 'as we know it'.
BellaBargilly 1 week ago
@BellaBargilly When you define what "dignified living" is, you will see the problem. Someone must provide that "dignity" and it will not be free. Can you define "dignified living"? The only "dignity" that is free is that we provide for ourselves. If we are required to provide "dignity" for others, then our resources must be forcibly redistributed.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack we do live in a society with other beings, so we require to 'live together' and should find a system in which we can distribute resources to everyone in the best way possible - and that 'best way' can only be determined through the principle of 'give to another as you would like to receive'. It is common sense to treat another how we ourselves would like to be treated, there is no discussion or arguing in this. So herein is 'freedom' yet not in a self-centered way
solex4plescar 1 week ago
@solex4plescar "We can distribute resources" ... who is "we", what "resources" are being distributed, and who gets the authority to force that distribution? Some (psychopathic) leader? You? Me? Pat Robertson? Rachel Maddow? a Supreme Politburo Committee? Let's get some answers here.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack 'we', the people in a DEMOCRATIC system - quite like what you are suggesting in your video by implying that a government should be 'under' the people - the government should indeed serve what is best for the people, and that government should therefore be established through democratic elections, not unlike what we have today, only more transparent and less corrupt.
solex4plescar 1 week ago
@solex4plescar OK, so, EMS subscribes to an idealized form of "Democracy", or mob rule, where, for "the greater good" the majority may deny the rights, property, health and lives of individuals, administered by easily corrupted politicians and bureaucrats, with no particular mechanism to prevent the corruption.
And EMS is then opposed to a "Republican" form of government where no one may be infringed except by those he has harmed, government or otherwise.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack how is to deny the rights, property, health and lives of the individuals in any way "the greater good"?! obviously what "the greater good" should be is what is best for each individual as a living being. What we are living right now, as capitalism, communism, socialism, etc - is all within this "greater good" concept of using the people to give their lives to an apparent 'greater system' wherein the "greater good" basically means the few with all the money and power
solex4plescar 1 week ago
@solex4plescar Exactly. The concept of "the greater good" is always interpreted and corrupted by those in power.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack There is an absolute Greater Good, and that is equality, Equal rights, equal access to everything that the planet is giving for free, equal access to the best education, equal access to having a roof over your head, equal access to the best healthcare, and yes the principle of Equality is what will drive the EMS, those that are against equality however they dress up their reasons will be voted against. The system will be handled by the people, no space or need for
egozzini 1 week ago
@egozzini What does equality have to do with material benefits like education, healthcare and housing? Those things cost money. Equality means no one can deny your ownership of your property. It does not mean a bunch of taxpayers have to pay for your material benefits. That is inequality. They pay, you benefit.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack corruption when everyone is Equal ! What can you shoot for ? More Equality ? :) Corruption is a byproduct of the capitalistic system where for every winner there are many losers, it's driven by competition, within Equality there will be no competition, there is a Forum if you are interested you'll find all about it there even why EMS IS NOT AT ALL LIKE COMMUNISM ! therwise as I said, you can wait until the whole project will be politically introduced, you can vote
egozzini 1 week ago
@egozzini You are using the term "politically". Politics is analogous with compromise and consensus. In politics, if 10% of the people are criminals then 10% of government and law is criminal, unless corruption skews that. That is "representation" and "democracy". The word "Politics" is based on the "greater good at the expense of individual rights" model. Despotic greedy psychopaths just love to install themselves as "leaders" of such collectives.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack against it, but the have nots already have the majority, funny how that is, that the meek will inherit the earth, with a twist, everyone will benefit, because everyone will be Equal, but nobody will be more (or less), this principle is non negotiable, Equality will cure most of the diseases of the planet, Earth is the correction facility where we realize the consequences of Inequality, funny how nobody gets it while it's in front of everyone's eyes.
egozzini 1 week ago
@egozzini Everybody gets it, but here's the point that is not in front of our eyes: Nature, biology, the jungle, reality, none of those things operate in "equality". The strong survive, they even dominate until they weaken or make themselves extinct. That's nature. Equality has to be imposed by a regime of arbitrary control administered by power-trippers who decide for themselves what "equality" means, then they impose that on others for benefit for the benefit of the power-trippers.
minivanjack 1 week ago
@minivanjack we do not know why nature functions the way it does/how this all started. to use this to JUSTIFY the exploitation of life to the benefit of a few (who simply happened to be born into bloodlines of influence) is a shame!
Perhaps nature/the animal kingdom are reflecting us back to ourselves? Perhaps we arent only the effect, but also the cause of this existence? It's time to reconsider what we take for granted & the justifications we use to not have to take responsibility for LIFE!
BellaBargilly 1 week ago
@minivanjack providing dignity for yourself only without making sure everyone is equally in a position to provide for themselves is an application of ego & separation. Again you speak about 'y/our resources' - yes they will have to be redistributed just like the earth provides equally for all. No one should own oil or water, no one owns the sun. Around the world, the people already show a force. What we're saying is, let's not wait until this force destroys everything, let's manage ourselves!
BellaBargilly 1 week ago
@BellaBargilly OK, so my resources will "have to be redistributed", as if I am rich? Now that we have established that back to the question. Who has the authority to take and redistribute my resources? What kind of force will they use? Who will decide what resources I will be permitted to access? Who will be the tyrant dictator who will administer the redistribution? Please answer how that person will be chosen, and why it will not be a psychopath.
minivanjack 1 week ago
excellent video.. adding it to facebook.. and i dont do that often
python178 2 weeks ago
believing in God or a god does not make you "religious"
Stridus7 1 month ago
@Stridus7 Who are you referring to?
minivanjack 1 month ago
@Stridus7 Depends on what you mean by religious. If by religious you mean "utilizing a set of faith based beliefs that dictate your morality, sense of purpose, etc" then I would say yes you are in fact religious. Religions are just largely agreed on sets of faith based beliefs. If you had many people following your beliefs you would somewhat be starting a makeshift religion.
chuckwagon1645 3 weeks ago
@chuckwagon1645 In that case, "not being religious" meant not caring if the word God is on money.
minivanjack 3 weeks ago
Fantastic comment. The message is not trivial but the clarity and delivery style drove the nail thru my thick skull. thanks!
maurpine 2 months ago
There are 3 solutions to America's problems:
1.) Ban the Federal Reserve Fiat system.
2.) Dissolve all debts and usery schemes with military coercion.
3.) Nationally regiment all industrial, agricultural and infrastructural investment. Simply coerce the captains of industry and financiers into investing in America without interest or other funny business via a white collar gulag system located in the DPRK.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!
PrimeConsciousness 2 months ago
gold is money, paper is for wiping our bottoms : )
MorpheusWasRight 2 months ago
what would you suggest instead of notes? it's just a system put in place for trade...
longfang40 2 months ago
@longfang40 Notes are not the problem, interest is. So, I say no interest owed on the issuance of currency. Many competitive currencies based on reputation and integrity. No regulations, no restrictions, just reputation and integrity and a free market. If your currency isn't proven and trusted nobody has to use it, and nobody gets to charge interest or "income tax" on any currencies. They are just paper!
minivanjack 2 months ago
very well said, concise and to the point. good job nice to see intelligent people spreading the truth
danielc121162 3 months ago
what the hell is wrong with a generic IOU as long as a parasitic banker is not facilitating the creation of it? you need my brains and i need your fancy presentation skills.
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt A parasitic banker IS creating it. Your brains are not showing yet. Please post something brainy.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack yes, i said a parasitc banker is creating it. and then i said something after that. do you see it? i have to know, because it appears there's some kind of hypnotizing goin on. is it just me? does 2+2=5?
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt You said "...a parasitic banker is not facilitating the creation of it." After that you said you were brainy.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack there is something right before that on my screen, i think.
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt You said "after that" now you say "before that". An FRN is not generic. It is proprietary.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack the IOU doesn't have the name on it. it is at the bank. it should be in a public open book. it is the public cash.
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt It does have the name on it. Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank regulated by the Federal Reserv Board. The notes (IOU's) are owned and controlled by the Federal Reserve bank, and their control, at their request, has been codified in statute by corrupt legislators. If it were owned by "the public", then "the public" would have no reason to pay taxes and interest on it.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack i meant the borrowers name isn't on it. it's supposed to be owned by the public. if i could get someone to redo my presentations professionaly, the bank would die.
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt The borrowers are named through their fiduciaries, the Treasurer and the Secretary of the Treasury who both sign and authorize every Federal Reserve note (IOU) "on behalf" of the "public".
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack Are you trying to tell me that the bank doesn't have any money before a borrower walks into it to have it facilitate a loan and the true lender is the person who takes the money in exchange for a product or service? Holy crap!
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt @philoplatt That is exactly true. Banks do not lend money from their own accounts or their depositors accounts. The funding comes from the Treasury/Federal Reserve in the form of digital money out of thin air to your account. At that moment you have full title, free and clear, on your home. The bank, simply as a "loan servicer", then steals those funds from you as "abandoned funds" and tricks you into "paying them back". And yes, "holy crap" is correct.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@philoplatt The process I described just above on debt monetization is confirmed by the Federal Reserve's own publications which clearly state that "Funds are created and deposited at the bank (in the "borrower's" name) when someone applies for a loan".
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack So your saying the borrower essentially borrows a house from the community, and as he extinguishes the debt with the community, he also has to extinguish debt with the banker(compounding interest) when the banker never loaned him anything? Wow! That's heavy.
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt Yes, but the "debt" is not "extinguished". The bank steals the payments. The payments are owed to the taxpayers who will suffer the inflation form the currency creation. Income tax must be paid to balance the account and pay the interest. The principal remains as "debt" to the taxpayer forever and that debt (and income tax) always grows because congress can't stop spending. The Ponzi scheme will soon collapse because the debt is now too large to sustain.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack So you're saying that as the borrower produces stuff to exchange to the rest of the community for the IOU's he got from the bank, to give back the bank(plus the IOU's that were created because of the compounding interest), we only think there's a huge national debt because we're brainwashed? Unbelievable!
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt Yes, but in this case it is not so much brainwashing as simple non-disclosure, fraud and deceit. We are made to believe we have "borrowed" money on these major purchases such as homes and cars. That is not the case. It is important to understand this does not apply to "hard money" lending. Money is sometimes lent, by local banks and credit unions, just not on mortgages and major "loan" contracts (notes) with large banks. They actually call them "debt" contracts. There is no loan.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack Could you rephrase that last comment? It was a little hard to follow.
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt Some people make the mistake that all debt can be "discharged" (extinguished) because the funds were created by fiat (decree) for the debt and they can be just as easily "discharged" or un-created without harm to anyone. For normal transactions day to day, and for many loans, money is not created that way. Usually money that is spent or lent was already earned by the spender or lender. Only large banks are creating currency out of thin air, and only those "debts" can be discharged.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack Do you mean to say that when a seller of a product takes IOU's, he is merely transferring debt from someone else to himself? And, when he purchases something with the IOU, it is only then he completes a sale? And, when I loan IOU's that I have earned, I'm risking those earnings and am actually an investor? Amazing!
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt I assume that is sarcasm.
What is amazing is that people use Federal Reserve Notes even though they are taxed, not once but dozens of ways, by inflation, income tax, sales tax, payroll taxes, permits and fees, layers and layers of business and corporate taxes from every stage of a product's development, marketing, transportation and distribution, tax tax tax tax tax tax tax, but only with FRN's and other fiat currencies, not with "real money", commodities and barter.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack Are you saying the compounding interest you pay the banker is a tax? Because he's not the real lender and risks nothing? And only the collective community is risking because defaults cause inflation? And that we're actually in a communist country? Wow! What's "sarcasm"?
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt These are tricky concepts and it's hard to tell what is meant sometimes. My apologies for any misunderstanding. The payments on the loan are not a tax because they go to the bank, no the government. Inflation is a tax, and income tax is exclusively for the purpose of paying interest on public debt and keeping inflation from spiraling out of control by taking currency out of circulation. Problem is, gov't puts it right back.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack Are you saying everybody has less money because there's less money in circulation then there was in 2007? And inflation is caused by people defaulting? And the progressive tax was enacted to keep everyone divided? And the government should overthrow the bank and take the place of the bank by issuing currency in small amounts directly to all the people? A small amount that the producer doesn't have to pay back until retirement with no interest attached? Genius!
philoplatt 3 months ago
@philoplatt I did not say that.
minivanjack 3 months ago
@minivanjack Due to political realities, government cannot responsibly manage the issue of currency, nor can retirees "pay back" all the currency they have used in their lives. People should issue their own currencies, backed, unbacked, solvent, debt-based, whatever. There should be no restrictions or control by "government" on currency. Only in an unregulated competitive environment can currency become honest, stable and sound. Currency must live or die based on competitive integrity.
minivanjack 3 months ago
Arguing over the technical implementation of the currency currently enslaving you is exactly what they want you to do. Economists cannot unwrap the onion skin of obfuscation the fat cats have draped over their eyes. Knock yourselves out.
Sure, the banks are committing fraud right now. No one is indicted, are they?
Maybe they can find a few low-level token sacrifices if they have to.
They stole your money in 1913. Google it. It's them -- the 0.01%.
Dog eat dog, is that it? Are we not men?
olrailbird 4 months ago
@olrailbird So what's your solution? No medium of exchange? Gold/silver? Or...........?
minivanjack 4 months ago
@minivanjack There is only one solution that I have seen. A gentleman by the name of Mike Montagne ferreted it out in 1979. He calls his idea Mathematically Perfected Economy(tm) and is working on constitutional language to make his idea a reality. You owe yourself a visit to his website (that YouTube won't let me quote.)
per fect Eco nomy d o t co m
olrailbird 4 months ago
I like to know which fools clicked the dislike button. Probably Fed employees.
blokeish 4 months ago
freedom of belief in whatever we want. hey minivanjack, shall we stop freedom of belief& religion ay?
chevyvictor 4 months ago
@chevyvictor You don't get freedom by stopping freedom.
minivanjack 4 months ago
A belief system is a set of mutually supportive beliefs. The beliefs may be religious, philosophical, ideological ,governments, laws, good ,bad or a combination of these.they "draw people in and hold them captive so they become willing slaves ... if you get sucked in, it can be extremely difficult to think your way clear again" these control you they are beliefs and not need . even banking system is a belief system as we know it today
greenearthnazi20204u 4 months ago
If you sell me your chicken for a few pounds of my wheat after harvest (a promissory note) how is my debt to you a bad thing? There is nothing wrong with debt, Jerry, we incur debts all the time. Debt is part of living.
Where FRNs go wrong is not because of debt, or even being printed from thin air (backed by collateral, we assume) but through the charging of interest for their use. We pay a fee to use money owned by someone else. Law requires it.
Americans deserve Zero Interest Money!
olrailbird 4 months ago
@olrailbird There is no debt in an even exchange. Interest-free debt is a gift, not debt.
minivanjack 4 months ago
@minivanjack I am not sure what you're saying, here. The exchange is even, but occurs after an agreed upon time. Asking for wheat when I have only seed is like my asking for your chickens while you have only eggs.
You try to place a higher value on your time than mine, I think. Usury takes many strange forms.
olrailbird 4 months ago
@olrailbird Your comment is unclear. The exchange is not even. One party creates "currency" out of thin air and loans it at interest.
minivanjack 3 months ago
YOU FORGOT THE WARS
jopaddy81 5 months ago
though i am a firm believer in God, and strongly believe that the Federal Reserve believe in some evil entity rather than the God we know, this is a brilliant video.
universalstudios13 6 months ago
As Tolstoy would say, do not render unto Caesar that which belongs to God
deadballo 6 months ago
FLAGGED!! ...... AS AWESOME!
thabadguyice 6 months ago
Money is backed by Greed, Drugs, Prostitution , Human trafficking, Child abduction .and any other diabolical thing you can thing of.
Humanity is a Total failure
LottsaLasagna 6 months ago 2
This is right up there with Pat Condell's point of view, another mind in full gear
aphoolimnaught 6 months ago
Excellent commentary. Thanks for posting this !
ScalerWave 7 months ago
Dollars = via Dolorosa = the way of sorrows = the path supposedly taken by the mythical Jesus to his Crucifixion. = CROSS OF FICTION
FED = ATE = 8 = Octagon = total Control, to have eaten something is to have taken total control over it.
The brain sells addiction,nary for only One sent.
enjoy the DAZE until your WEAK end
lisulove 7 months ago
@lisulove You have that Jordan Maxwell way about you.
minivanjack 7 months ago
Another excellent and straight to the point video, I admire your clear thinking and ability to convey truth is such an understandable way. I was at first very confused with all the truths I was exposed to a few years back, but now I see plainly and am able to explain in layman terms exactly how this is all happening. Those who once doubted me are now realizing the truth. Seeds of truth always grow, no matter the soil.
~Peace and Love and Life..
Snowblindinfinity 7 months ago
If I buy silver or gold with my hard earned FRN's.."they" can confiscate them according to the video. SO how am I protected if I buy precious metals?
beachFront1000 7 months ago
@beachFront1000 Think about that, "confiscation of gold" as if your owning gold was harmful to someone. It is only harmful to a fake-money monopoly that feeds on people's debt. Obviously, confiscation of gold is a crime, but government sometimes commits criminal acts, so how do you protect ANYTHING from tyranny and criminals? Knowledge, planning, courage wits and hopefully a lot of friends who see the tyranny and match your courage.
minivanjack 7 months ago
@beachFront1000 Hide the gold, stuff it somewhere that their sniffers and their trackers cannot find it, maybe a lead lined steel box inside a concrete block would be good, buried at least 6 feet under rock and rubble and packed hard with a ton-weight to make sure they can't easily get at it or even have a hint it is there. It may seem inconvenient, but it would definitely be worth it to keep it after they have taken all the other people's gold.
Snowblindinfinity 7 months ago
So what is your opinion about bitcoin good or bad I want to hear it, but try to be political about it if you are against bitcoin.
Here is my opinion...
Bticoin solves a problem we have had with all currencies... Backed or unbacked they are promises to pay. And with 100% rate of failure those promises have been broken. Bitcoin has no one to corrupt into changing the rules, thus it's a better money substitute than backed currency.
But it's not money gold and silver are money.
davincij15 7 months ago
@davincij15 Bitcoin is one of many alternative methods of currency that would be needed to establish choice, stability, integrity, fairness and diversity in the economic landscape. The downside of bitcoin is that it is subject to hacking, official raids and most important of all, internet shutdown or disruption. In emergencies such as we have seen in Libya, Egypt, etc. the prevailing tyrants have simply shut down the info-grids, and/or the U.S. bombed the infrastructure.
minivanjack 7 months ago
@minivanjack
Thanks you have kindly pointed out real issues with the bitcoin system. Those issues exist also for paper currency backed up by gold - it's subject to info-grids (is the gold gone?) and the existence of entity backing it up not being bombed, Tyrants taking off with the gold etc. :)
This is why I tell everyone that only gold and silver in your hands is money everything else is just a money substitute or convenient currency.
With bitcoin or backed dollar I will be taking gold home
davincij15 7 months ago
I’m not religious either, and regard it as evil. If you want to get good people to do wicked things you need religion.
Religion is an Agenda that exercises control and exerts authority and influence, and is essentially a despotic fiefdom. Religion is Fanaticism, and has excessive intolerance of opposing views; Religion is dominionist, and demagogy and obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.
nonassumsit 8 months ago
@nonassumsit
No, replace religion with corruption, envy , cunning, craftiness, those things, they use religion. Religion is not a problem. Before those things, religion was not those things. After those things, the religion of Jesus ( peace, meditation, self study ) become tyranny ( do what pope says or else )
sunlightblessing 7 months ago
I’m republican, I’m Democrat, I’m Catholic, I’m Baptist, I’m American, I’m Mexican, I’m White, I’m Black, is all DIVISION.
Senate Document # 43; SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 62 (Pg 9, Para 2) April 17, 1933. "The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called "ownership” is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere user; d." (Emphasis added)
nonassumsit 8 months ago
You thing the NAME on that BIRTH CERTIFICATE is yours? Who created it? Doesn’t it say the STATE somewhere on that piece of paper? Then that’s whom it must belong to. Look at the BIRTH CERTIFICATE as a GIFT CERTIFICATE.
The problem is everybody think they own things, when in fact your just using ‘SHIT”. The so-called STATE and GOVERNMENT holds LEGAL TITLE to everything, and you have what is call EQUITABLE TITLE.
nonassumsit 8 months ago
The vehicle you drive is registered, and to register something means to transfer ownership, to which you get the certificate of title, and they hold the original manufacturers title in they’re records.
You said, we created the government? What evidence do you have we created the so-called GOVERNMENT? Define “WE”, who’s we? Could you be speaking FRENCH
GOVERNMENT is a CORPORATE FICTION
nonassumsit 8 months ago
“IN GOD WE TRUST”, they never define GOD, replace GOD with GOVERNMERNT, and you get “IN GOVERNMENT WE TRUST”, or “IN CORPORATION WE TRUST”.
NO they didn’t put GOD on the money in defiance to KING GEORGE. “GOD” MEANS CORPORATION, that’s why people in can’t understand real truth. The UNITED STATES is a CORPORATION.
George Washington was the first Apotheos of the United States. Apo Theos can be translated literally "Appointor of Gods". Was George Washington a god?
nonassumsit 8 months ago
God means Love. You can't touch Love or fill a pail with it. You can't see it. You can't "know" it exists by your criteria but you DO know it exists. You feel it. You use it. You give it . You take it. You NEED it yet you can't hold it in your hands. All this talk of God is misdirection designed to keep us defocused from Love to the idols we have accepted as Love we call Gods. God defined is that which each of us spend the majority of our time gathering to ourselves. Money is most peoples God.
Liberty4awl 8 months ago
You know what the problem is in this video and also with the expressed opinions is? “He who claims ownership claims liability” Any time your claiming ownership of something you get the BILL, YOU GET THE LIABILITY, so pay the tax, and Since you say, “Our government”, “Our dollar”, “Our currency”, “Our nation” Does it belong to you? What evidence do you have that you own anything, but if you think it’s yours, then what’s your bitch.
nonassumsit 8 months ago
“Religion is the opium of the people“ “religion’s purpose is to create illusory fantasies for the poor. Economic realities prevent them from finding true happiness in this life, so religion tells them that this is OK because they will find true happiness in the next life”.
nonassumsit 8 months ago
Congress is not "trapped". they are complicit
phospheneca 8 months ago
How can you take this seriously when it starts with the lie, 'I'm not religious'. He's clearly not an atheist so he must be religious.
Ackers555 10 months ago
One world currency..here we come!
Shadofx 10 months ago
Are you freemason??
marcos497 11 months ago
@marcos497 No, are you?
minivanjack 11 months ago
So what to do with out fiat money, spend it all on stuff?
TVAExtreme 1 year ago
@TVAExtreme I would say spend it on gold, silver or cash-sale real estate.
minivanjack 1 year ago
@minivanjack Even with the odds of Gold-confiscation or prohibition of owning gold privately. Or J P Morgan influencing the precious metal market, downwards?
TVAExtreme 1 year ago
Respond to this video...Very true. Knowing the perfect investment as our economy flies to bits would not be my fortee.
minivanjack 1 year ago
Very good video
midwestcharm 1 year ago
Okay, one correction to my own post, then really I must slumber. The Fed carries "gold and gold swapped" on its balance sheet. No one knows how much physical gold it actually has. One more reason to audit the Fed.
JiveDadson 1 year ago
@JiveDadson A balance sheet is not the same as a reserve. If you have a reserve you have a balance sheet, but if you have a balance sheet you don't necessarily have a reserve.
minivanjack 1 year ago
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JiveDadson 1 year ago
@JiveDadson You are teaching lessons? I suggest you read my posts again.
And for the third time, do you work with the Fed or the Treasury?
minivanjack 1 year ago
@minivanjack Yes, I am trying to teach. You have a good heart, and I admire your initiative. I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions. Please quit asking that awful question. Whether or not what I post is true or not does not depend on my intentions. But my intentions are, in my small way, to help audit the Fed, end the Fed, and restore Liberty.
JiveDadson 1 year ago
@JiveDadson Does auditing the Fed put us over the top? It seems like a long way from there to ending the Fed, ending debt-based currency and ending Income Tax. It almost seems easier for all of us to start trading in currencies and commodities over which the Fed has no authority. The added benefit is, as their currency collapses we won't be holding it.
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