His c/r on the flop shows a lot of strength and I don't think he's doing that with cold flush draws, maybe flush draw with straight draw. In his range are pocket pairs like ,55,66,77,88,99 that check if you are cbetting with air but rarely, and most often TT,JJ,QQ. In pokerstove you have 70% equity against this range so you are ahead here.I would 3bet the flop like 2750-2875 chips and if he shoves I fold because it's a flip against his 4bet-shoving range.
Is checking back OTF reasonable? It'll induce a lot more bluffs because you're under-repping your hand pretty significantly as well as he'll probably value bet all his Jx hands and a decent portion of his Tx hands, unless the board runs out ugly.
Rule of thumb , if you are getting check raised on the flop , and there is a strong continue on the turn , and you still have only one pair with no draw , then you are probably dead ...
If you we're not sure about his hand on the turn, why didn't you just call the almost 2k bet? the A on the river would have let you get away from your hand. Pretty tought hand, it's kind of a cooler, but if he made it 2k on the turn that pretty much commited him should have been a red flag, at this point you have to ask yourself what can you beat? not a lot i'm afraid.
that's a tough spot, i think you played it aswell as you could. personally i would 3 bet and not fold on the flop, that way theres quite a few hands your still beatin and you dont have to make a tough fold!
i though thtat he had a-q of diamonds too..but i would have just called on the turn so when the ace would come on the river i would have folded anyways and saved about 8k
Its so easy, from the 1985 bet you can see that he has either a set or a 2 pair, and hes puting you on a flush draw or a straight draw because you called his reraise on the flop, thats why hes bettering so big..
And yes.. too much talking, you could have done this video in 2min
@daunela a 1985 could be a bluff-bet too..or a semi-bluff bet..and its not that easy to fold kings..i hate ppl watching a video and see the mistake after the shodown and say::IT WAS AN EASY LAYDOWN OR BAD CALL ETC..its not easy..there are a million ways to play a hand..
I think you make a classic mistake in that you call what he has, but you can't bring yourself to fold your big pre-flop hand, (I do this way to much) you identify that he is wanting to play for stacks and you obviously know from all your talk in the vid that he need's a very big hand to do this with. you are at the start of the tourney so i think your hand is not to strong to throw away, you only have 1k invested on turn, plenty of time to find a much better spot than this to get your chips in.
I disagree with all the negative feedback here. Yes, at this level you should have folded but an obvious fold and to call him an stupid? Lets just say i have seen far, far worse. Even in the early levels of a tournament like this one. Unfortunately the point here is not what could beat you, its the situation. Theres no reason to risk 90% of your stack with just a pair of kings. If he doesn't flip over the set, he probably has aces. QQ is your only hope. If you are ahead there, it doesn't matter.
k u never stfu also saying folding KK on the turn is to big a hand, how fucking so? its no dif then having say king 10 and pairing a king on the flop. u didnt have a set u had a pair of kings playing the 4s on the board for 2 pair. gj.
It's pretty much a cooler. Although early in the Sunday Million there are rarely any maniacs. You play it like a deep-stack cash game and only play the nuts.
One pair is almost never good enough to stack off. Once the antes kick in you start defending your BB by reraising in order to narrow down your opponents' ranges. By the 3rd level with antes, cards start to lose meaning and it's all about making moves, not taking foot off the gas.
You over analyze this situation.. I think u played it correct.. with the 4 hitting turn and he making that raise its almost inpossible to get away.. u cant just call on the turn either... sometimes u are just beatn
do you play chess? this game/ hand is over on the flop... on to the next hand/game.
what if the most basic thing you think in this situation is most likely the correct awnser? you are in the level of 25 50 with 11K chips. and a winning player check raised you on the flop. "this hand is not strong enough to continue in the hand." fold- It's funny only cause what you say is that every action you took was correct, but you tone of ur voice says otherwise. KISS!! Keep it simple Stupid!
I think folding to the flop CR from a good player would be extremely awful. Folding turn can be good with a read, but even that's not an obvious fold.
@TheIllegit thats why i like to limp 3 bet in the very early stages of the tournament. if there is no preflop raise u got to be able to fold your hand on the turn or river due to missing information. on the other hand u are able to destroy his implied odds preflop, if he makes a 4x raise preflop ( i dont think he checks JJ there)
but its just me and i lost many times in situations likes this (not 200 bb deep but still deep) its just that fucking voice in your hand that whines :but i have kings
I've seen that vid. In his vid, he just coolered the other guy because they weren't very deep stacked and there was nothing the guy could do. 200 BBs deep against a good player though (like I am here), stacking off with one pair is not automatic.
i believe your first instinct was right you had a read on him and in your scenerio his possible hands beat yours overall the pocket pairs you suspected for him to hit a set with you shouldve in my opinion reraised sice you were kinda lost in the hand and if he 4bets or pushes you save money but the turn 4 made u feel too comfortable and kinda sealed your fate because you were lost and his bet further confused you
reraise flop, fold to shove. simple.
dieselboy87 5 months ago
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slimshady617 7 months ago
GOD STOP TALKING SO MUCH WITH THE BET ON THE TURN, I GET IT, YOU HAVE A GOOD HAND BUT IT'S VERY POSSIBLE HE HAS YOU BEAT. MOVE ON DUDE.
e27481 7 months ago
3:01 says AJ... not seen end yet, I may be a donk.
WillyMcWilliness 9 months ago
His c/r on the flop shows a lot of strength and I don't think he's doing that with cold flush draws, maybe flush draw with straight draw. In his range are pocket pairs like ,55,66,77,88,99 that check if you are cbetting with air but rarely, and most often TT,JJ,QQ. In pokerstove you have 70% equity against this range so you are ahead here.I would 3bet the flop like 2750-2875 chips and if he shoves I fold because it's a flip against his 4bet-shoving range.
vladkpone 10 months ago
Fold on the turn. You obviously weren't ready for the 6k barrel that he was going to fire on the river that you KNEW was going to be coming.
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amana25 1 year ago
Is checking back OTF reasonable? It'll induce a lot more bluffs because you're under-repping your hand pretty significantly as well as he'll probably value bet all his Jx hands and a decent portion of his Tx hands, unless the board runs out ugly.
lurgertor 1 year ago
umm ah uh umm umm ah umm ah ah WTF
MrKydaman 1 year ago
Rule of thumb , if you are getting check raised on the flop , and there is a strong continue on the turn , and you still have only one pair with no draw , then you are probably dead ...
kournjaev 1 year ago
@kournjaev the problem is he has 2 pair on the turn which plays pretty good vs 10j Qj Kj AJ and all the draws
killerkombokalamari 1 year ago
Youre a fish.
JohnRagoon 1 year ago
If you we're not sure about his hand on the turn, why didn't you just call the almost 2k bet? the A on the river would have let you get away from your hand. Pretty tought hand, it's kind of a cooler, but if he made it 2k on the turn that pretty much commited him should have been a red flag, at this point you have to ask yourself what can you beat? not a lot i'm afraid.
indiesk8r 1 year ago
that's a tough spot, i think you played it aswell as you could. personally i would 3 bet and not fold on the flop, that way theres quite a few hands your still beatin and you dont have to make a tough fold!
fradlands 1 year ago
A good player knows when his KK or AA's are beaten that's all I gotta say
smashueatu 1 year ago
i though thtat he had a-q of diamonds too..but i would have just called on the turn so when the ace would come on the river i would have folded anyways and saved about 8k
fortuloco55 1 year ago
Its so easy, from the 1985 bet you can see that he has either a set or a 2 pair, and hes puting you on a flush draw or a straight draw because you called his reraise on the flop, thats why hes bettering so big..
And yes.. too much talking, you could have done this video in 2min
daunela 1 year ago
@daunela a 1985 could be a bluff-bet too..or a semi-bluff bet..and its not that easy to fold kings..i hate ppl watching a video and see the mistake after the shodown and say::IT WAS AN EASY LAYDOWN OR BAD CALL ETC..its not easy..there are a million ways to play a hand..
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I'd put him on JTo
lukaborna 1 year ago
I think you make a classic mistake in that you call what he has, but you can't bring yourself to fold your big pre-flop hand, (I do this way to much) you identify that he is wanting to play for stacks and you obviously know from all your talk in the vid that he need's a very big hand to do this with. you are at the start of the tourney so i think your hand is not to strong to throw away, you only have 1k invested on turn, plenty of time to find a much better spot than this to get your chips in.
ajtoulson 1 year ago
so you start with 10k chips at 25/50? COOL. Im in it this sunday.
I prob wouldve called turn and check or fold the river with the ace... tough hand i guess!!
bamboo 1 year ago
I disagree with all the negative feedback here. Yes, at this level you should have folded but an obvious fold and to call him an stupid? Lets just say i have seen far, far worse. Even in the early levels of a tournament like this one. Unfortunately the point here is not what could beat you, its the situation. Theres no reason to risk 90% of your stack with just a pair of kings. If he doesn't flip over the set, he probably has aces. QQ is your only hope. If you are ahead there, it doesn't matter.
jkehoe01 1 year ago 4
top set,,,,, full house !. dont play if you got no clue, his flat call pre flop was terrible, your flat call on the flop was terrible
liamthetwitch 1 year ago
@liamthetwitch everything you just said was wrong:)
bassbole 1 year ago
i bet or raise after flop in those situations...then i know sombody got better than me.
hitsdilla 1 year ago
k u never stfu also saying folding KK on the turn is to big a hand, how fucking so? its no dif then having say king 10 and pairing a king on the flop. u didnt have a set u had a pair of kings playing the 4s on the board for 2 pair. gj.
orcuser 1 year ago
not really alot you can do there i probably shove the turn,he played it well but who cant play top set well lololol
andos8888 1 year ago
i am currently 4th in 2k garunteed by folding kk to similar board
roob2k9 1 year ago
do u ever shut up
moneytalks2011 1 year ago
id put him on TT
LordGregoire 1 year ago
I personally believe you played the hand very well, just a cooler was all, I mean, Your line of reasoning is Saine...Just a BB was all
abdiASSAD 2 years ago 2
A call on the turn would have saved you money.
It's pretty much a cooler. Although early in the Sunday Million there are rarely any maniacs. You play it like a deep-stack cash game and only play the nuts.
One pair is almost never good enough to stack off. Once the antes kick in you start defending your BB by reraising in order to narrow down your opponents' ranges. By the 3rd level with antes, cards start to lose meaning and it's all about making moves, not taking foot off the gas.
lookaguru 2 years ago
you should have folded KK's preflop obviously
debink1990 2 years ago
You over analyze this situation.. I think u played it correct.. with the 4 hitting turn and he making that raise its almost inpossible to get away.. u cant just call on the turn either... sometimes u are just beatn
erikseneide 2 years ago
damn that was hurt :)
oklah23 2 years ago
holy fuck buddy, to much talking
mrbankalot 2 years ago 13
do you play chess? this game/ hand is over on the flop... on to the next hand/game.
what if the most basic thing you think in this situation is most likely the correct awnser? you are in the level of 25 50 with 11K chips. and a winning player check raised you on the flop. "this hand is not strong enough to continue in the hand." fold- It's funny only cause what you say is that every action you took was correct, but you tone of ur voice says otherwise. KISS!! Keep it simple Stupid!
wildDuces234 2 years ago
I think folding to the flop CR from a good player would be extremely awful. Folding turn can be good with a read, but even that's not an obvious fold.
TheIllegit 2 years ago
@TheIllegit thats why i like to limp 3 bet in the very early stages of the tournament. if there is no preflop raise u got to be able to fold your hand on the turn or river due to missing information. on the other hand u are able to destroy his implied odds preflop, if he makes a 4x raise preflop ( i dont think he checks JJ there)
but its just me and i lost many times in situations likes this (not 200 bb deep but still deep) its just that fucking voice in your hand that whines :but i have kings
killerkombokalamari 1 year ago
watch turtle knifes vid on when he busted a pro.
Same exact situation from the other side, and of course, the same exact over-analysis
FullTiltChallenge 2 years ago
I've seen that vid. In his vid, he just coolered the other guy because they weren't very deep stacked and there was nothing the guy could do. 200 BBs deep against a good player though (like I am here), stacking off with one pair is not automatic.
TheIllegit 2 years ago
...you had two pair.
RussellsParadox 2 years ago
idk its jus what i think its hard to get away from but you will only improve cant wait to see u make your first 500k-1million!!!!
thathroedest936 2 years ago
i believe your first instinct was right you had a read on him and in your scenerio his possible hands beat yours overall the pocket pairs you suspected for him to hit a set with you shouldve in my opinion reraised sice you were kinda lost in the hand and if he 4bets or pushes you save money but the turn 4 made u feel too comfortable and kinda sealed your fate because you were lost and his bet further confused you
thathroedest936 2 years ago