Aside from the target/9mm load issue, I found it interesting how different shooter #7's approach to the course of fire was. He preferred to stand back and move less, as opposed to get right up to the windows and move more.
Each competitor is usually permitted to find the shooting solution which best fits his or her strengths. A shooter whose forte is to shoot fast may choose to take the time to move forward, so as to shot quickly with a good chance that his shots hit the target, thus acquiring targets in a lesser time.
On the other hand, a shooter whose fortes is accuracy may choose to engage targets from farther away, thus taking less TIME to shoot the stage.
This is NOT a "legal" target. A Pepper Popper must be calibrated; a "Plate" must fall when hit.
Anyone who hit this PLATE and it didn't fall should get a reshoot, and the (sodden) paper target "counter-weight" should have been replaced early and often.
Let me repeat: this target is not legal in IPSC, or USPSA.
It's fun to shoot ... when it works.
Don't do this at home. Don't do this at all. The "home section" doesn't do this, any more.
9mm will engage properly, use 147 gn lead @ 1.135 oal with win231 powder, recommended for 3.5 gn max, use 3.8. I do the same with my beretta 92, got sick of not knocking down the steel with the underpowered 115gn and 124
Let's see, .45 ACP has no problem, .38 Super is OK, but the smokey, underloaded, unjacketed 9mm ammo failed?
If the 9mm was shooting unjacketed ammo, that would make a difference. Why did the last shooter have so much smoke? Unjacketed ammo or an inefficient 9mm reload?
Don't go up against .45 ACP or .38 Super and complain.
You're right about 'non-standard steek, non-sanctioned match'. But the target design is inherently flawed and its use has been discontinued in the Columbia-Cascade Setion of USPSA.
(1) A Pepper Popper which doesn't fall is subject to calibration. It's the competitor's call, not the RO.
(2) But this wasn't a Popper target, it was a plate with targets attached. Only Poppers are subject to calibration, per USPSA rules. Plates are NOT subject to calibration, USPSA rule US4.3.1.6
The answer, then, is that the RO is never permitted to call for calibration, but a Plate is never subject to calibration ... and if it doesn't fall it is a mandatory reshoot.
USPSA has made no provision for a popper that looks like a plate. Even in the just-released 2008 USPSA rule book, all authorized steel targets are defined and described. The targets you see here are plates. That they are used to activate targets was confusing to us, and obviously the confusion continues.
Aside from the target/9mm load issue, I found it interesting how different shooter #7's approach to the course of fire was. He preferred to stand back and move less, as opposed to get right up to the windows and move more.
silvermediastudio 1 year ago
@silvermediastudio
Each competitor is usually permitted to find the shooting solution which best fits his or her strengths. A shooter whose forte is to shoot fast may choose to take the time to move forward, so as to shot quickly with a good chance that his shots hit the target, thus acquiring targets in a lesser time.
On the other hand, a shooter whose fortes is accuracy may choose to engage targets from farther away, thus taking less TIME to shoot the stage.
Or maybe the other way around.
jerrythegeek 1 year ago
UPDATE: so nobody misunderstands.
This is NOT a "legal" target. A Pepper Popper must be calibrated; a "Plate" must fall when hit.
Anyone who hit this PLATE and it didn't fall should get a reshoot, and the (sodden) paper target "counter-weight" should have been replaced early and often.
Let me repeat: this target is not legal in IPSC, or USPSA.
It's fun to shoot ... when it works.
Don't do this at home. Don't do this at all. The "home section" doesn't do this, any more.
Bad Karma, Dude!
jerrythegeek 1 year ago
Did shooter number 5 break the 180? Looks like his arm was behind his body when he dropped the first mag on the table.
Any comments?
sticustom 3 years ago
9mm will engage properly, use 147 gn lead @ 1.135 oal with win231 powder, recommended for 3.5 gn max, use 3.8. I do the same with my beretta 92, got sick of not knocking down the steel with the underpowered 115gn and 124
knightstalker1369 4 years ago
Let's see, .45 ACP has no problem, .38 Super is OK, but the smokey, underloaded, unjacketed 9mm ammo failed?
If the 9mm was shooting unjacketed ammo, that would make a difference. Why did the last shooter have so much smoke? Unjacketed ammo or an inefficient 9mm reload?
Don't go up against .45 ACP or .38 Super and complain.
Triebflugal 4 years ago
Non-standard steel. Non-sanctioned match.
Oh well for those who load light. My .357Sig wouldn't have had a problem.
PursuitFRC 4 years ago
This was actually a 'trick question'.
You're right about 'non-standard steek, non-sanctioned match'. But the target design is inherently flawed and its use has been discontinued in the Columbia-Cascade Setion of USPSA.
jerrythegeek 4 years ago
Shouldn't the match have stopped for calibration after the first failure?
robertsmtn 5 years ago
(1) A Pepper Popper which doesn't fall is subject to calibration. It's the competitor's call, not the RO.
(2) But this wasn't a Popper target, it was a plate with targets attached. Only Poppers are subject to calibration, per USPSA rules. Plates are NOT subject to calibration, USPSA rule US4.3.1.6
The answer, then, is that the RO is never permitted to call for calibration, but a Plate is never subject to calibration ... and if it doesn't fall it is a mandatory reshoot.
jerrythegeek 5 years ago
Ah but is this a plate in the real sense of the word?
It is a specialized target........more of a popper than a plate as the plate does not "fall: at all.
EESASTORM 4 years ago
USPSA has made no provision for a popper that looks like a plate. Even in the just-released 2008 USPSA rule book, all authorized steel targets are defined and described. The targets you see here are plates. That they are used to activate targets was confusing to us, and obviously the confusion continues.
jerrythegeek 4 years ago
NO kidding...
As I read the post....it is not longer used which is probably a good thing.
EESASTORM 4 years ago