Didn't finish the whole video yet but what about John 3:16? It says God gave His only begotten son. It seems to point to Jesus being the only begotten of the Father before he died.
@ProveYourFaith I don't believe in a pre-existent Christ. I was just asking because in your video you say that he was begotten upon his resurrection. The verse you read does say that but i was wondering how John 3:16 would fit with that.
@ProveYourFaith I don't believe in a pre-existent Christ. I was just asking because in your video you say that he was begotten upon his resurrection. The verse you read does say that but i was wondering how John 3:16 would fit with that.
Excellent video bro, all in line with the scriptures. Yes, there is different aspects to the title Son God, and Jesus was Son in many ways but not through the virgin birth.As ultimately he became the Son of God by rising from the dead, when he was begotten to eternal and immortalty.Romans 1:4 4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;
I'm confused about the last part where your talking about Abraham. From my understanding Abe is not resurrected even to this day and at that time he could not have been resurrected because Yahushua was the first born. (And Yahushua was not resurrected yet). 'was glad he should see my day, he saw it and did rejoice'... Do you believe he could have just been referencing the promise Abe knew of that he knew was coming through his seed? Meaning that Abe forsaw the day of the Messiah and rejoiced?
@ABurningHill7 Abraham is simply not resurrected until Jesus will be.. That is to be brought forth. However Jesus plainly taught Abraham is alive living unto God. When he said Abraham rejoiced to see my day and saw it - He was saying Abraham literally seen his day not that he seen Abraham's day.
We dont need Paul statement when YAH says it himself twice before Paul. Matthew Ch 3 ver 17 "And behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying THIS IS MY SON, the beloved, in whom I have found my delight" and again Matthew Ch 17 ver 5 "While he was still speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them, behold a voice out of the cloud saying, THIS IS MY SON the beloved, in whom I have found my delight, Hear him" So who spoke from the sky? Paul?No YAHWEH
bro. Jeff, once again, don't u think that Jesus was the ONLY begotten son of God until his resurrection? After the resurrection of Jesus Christ God the Father could bestow His Holy Spirit to those who believes His son's name resulting many sons. Why this message is so important, understanding Jesus as son of man, so we identify with him in all things that we become like Jesus. That's our Father's will, I believe.
@ProveYourFaith I inserted a space in front of "com" otherwise YT will not allow the post. If you copy & past the ink in to google search box that will also get you there.
I'm assuming you've recanted your previous position that Hebrews 1 was both an addition and not inspired? It seems that before you had argued Hebrews 1:10 was a false quote, but now interpreted in terms of new creation.
@ProveYourFaith I see... Though there's no problem with the quote in Heb 1:10 once one considers it is taken from the LXX where God here addresses a 2nd Lord.
@IvanDefendingTruth The Lxx had a mistranslation it translated "He answered" instead of "he afflicted"! The Author of Hebrews was deceived by this error! No one else translating the Hebrew made the same error.
@ProveYourFaith Indeed, the translators of the LXX mistranslated this psalm but the author of Hebrews knowingly quoted it because it evidently didn't contradict anything his Church believed, nor anything other Churches believed!
@IvanDefendingTruth Think about what you just said! I don't have to agree with a misquote to advance my doctrine am I greater than the Contributor to the book of Hebrews?
@ProveYourFaith Early Christians believed this "misquote" to the extent that there were no polemics about such a teaching throughout the geographical distribution of Hebrews in the late 1st and 2nd century. Evidently, Christ's pre-existence as advanced by the author of Hebrews had no opposition, implying, of course, that it was a widely held belief.
Didn't finish the whole video yet but what about John 3:16? It says God gave His only begotten son. It seems to point to Jesus being the only begotten of the Father before he died.
Hoogz20 3 days ago
@Hoogz20 Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem. Was he the Christ before he was born? Wake up idiot!
ProveYourFaith 2 days ago
@ProveYourFaith I guess that would make sense though since all was already accomplished in God's eyes.
Hoogz20 2 days ago
@ProveYourFaith I don't believe in a pre-existent Christ. I was just asking because in your video you say that he was begotten upon his resurrection. The verse you read does say that but i was wondering how John 3:16 would fit with that.
Hoogz20 2 days ago
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@ProveYourFaith I don't believe in a pre-existent Christ. I was just asking because in your video you say that he was begotten upon his resurrection. The verse you read does say that but i was wondering how John 3:16 would fit with that.
Hoogz20 2 days ago
Excellent video bro, all in line with the scriptures. Yes, there is different aspects to the title Son God, and Jesus was Son in many ways but not through the virgin birth.As ultimately he became the Son of God by rising from the dead, when he was begotten to eternal and immortalty.Romans 1:4 4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
I'm confused about the last part where your talking about Abraham. From my understanding Abe is not resurrected even to this day and at that time he could not have been resurrected because Yahushua was the first born. (And Yahushua was not resurrected yet). 'was glad he should see my day, he saw it and did rejoice'... Do you believe he could have just been referencing the promise Abe knew of that he knew was coming through his seed? Meaning that Abe forsaw the day of the Messiah and rejoiced?
ABurningHill7 1 month ago
@ABurningHill7 Abraham is simply not resurrected until Jesus will be.. That is to be brought forth. However Jesus plainly taught Abraham is alive living unto God. When he said Abraham rejoiced to see my day and saw it - He was saying Abraham literally seen his day not that he seen Abraham's day.
ProveYourFaith 1 month ago
@ProveYourFaith When Abraham walked the earth he saw the day of the Messiah coming..
And although he is asleep now, he still lives unto Elohiym.
Do you agree?
ABurningHill7 1 month ago
We dont need Paul statement when YAH says it himself twice before Paul. Matthew Ch 3 ver 17 "And behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying THIS IS MY SON, the beloved, in whom I have found my delight" and again Matthew Ch 17 ver 5 "While he was still speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them, behold a voice out of the cloud saying, THIS IS MY SON the beloved, in whom I have found my delight, Hear him" So who spoke from the sky? Paul?No YAHWEH
Jerz1983 3 months ago
bro. Jeff, once again, don't u think that Jesus was the ONLY begotten son of God until his resurrection? After the resurrection of Jesus Christ God the Father could bestow His Holy Spirit to those who believes His son's name resulting many sons. Why this message is so important, understanding Jesus as son of man, so we identify with him in all things that we become like Jesus. That's our Father's will, I believe.
shibakim 3 months ago
fosterheologicalreflections.blogspot. com/2008/03/geza-vermes-on-expression-son-of-god.html
dunklaw 3 months ago
@dunklaw Your link does not work!
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith I inserted a space in front of "com" otherwise YT will not allow the post. If you copy & past the ink in to google search box that will also get you there.
dunklaw 3 months ago
I'm assuming you've recanted your previous position that Hebrews 1 was both an addition and not inspired? It seems that before you had argued Hebrews 1:10 was a false quote, but now interpreted in terms of new creation.
IvanDefendingTruth 3 months ago
@IvanDefendingTruth No I didn't you need to listen carefully to what I said in this video! I was very clear Hebrews 1:10 is still a false quote.
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith I see... Though there's no problem with the quote in Heb 1:10 once one considers it is taken from the LXX where God here addresses a 2nd Lord.
IvanDefendingTruth 3 months ago
@IvanDefendingTruth The Lxx had a mistranslation it translated "He answered" instead of "he afflicted"! The Author of Hebrews was deceived by this error! No one else translating the Hebrew made the same error.
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Indeed, the translators of the LXX mistranslated this psalm but the author of Hebrews knowingly quoted it because it evidently didn't contradict anything his Church believed, nor anything other Churches believed!
IvanDefendingTruth 3 months ago
@IvanDefendingTruth Think about what you just said! I don't have to agree with a misquote to advance my doctrine am I greater than the Contributor to the book of Hebrews?
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Early Christians believed this "misquote" to the extent that there were no polemics about such a teaching throughout the geographical distribution of Hebrews in the late 1st and 2nd century. Evidently, Christ's pre-existence as advanced by the author of Hebrews had no opposition, implying, of course, that it was a widely held belief.
IvanDefendingTruth 3 months ago
@IvanDefendingTruth Another extraction.
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago