It almost looked like at 0:15 the trailing runner passed the preceding runner. But that's tough to see from this angle, and probably a good no-call anyways considering the ununual nature of the play. Preceding runner entitled to base--good officiating.
Most rules state that if two runners occupy same base, the lead runner is entitled to the bag and the trailing runner may be tagged out even if on the base.
tree: 2 players can occupy the base at the same time, until the trailing runner is tagged. Everyone is safe is the correct call - UNLESS at the 16 second mark you could say the trailing runner passed the lead runner, which is close. Other than that, it's all legal.
tree: 2 players can occupy the base at the same time, until the trailing runner is tagged. Everyone is safe is the correct call - UNLESS at the 16 second mark you could say the trailing runner passed the lead runner, which is close. Other than that, it's all legal.
at 0:14 the lead runner should have been out, because two peopel were occupying the base at the same time and you cant do that, so technically, bad call.
@tree224331 First neither runner is automatically out, they need to be tagged. Second if/when the defensive does tag the runner the lead runner is entitled to that base so the runner behind him would be out. Know some rules before commenting.
@chitownref it depends on the rules but if 2 runners occupy a base one of them is out according to dixie league but it all depends on which rules you go by
The runner who started on second base is out. If you actually WATCH the play when the lead runner slides back into third base, at 0:16, the lead runner has his foot on third base while the second runner has a foot down the third base line. Therefore, the runner from second base has passed the lead runner, and under Rule 7.08(h), any runner who passes another runner before that other runner is out, is himself out.
I was under the impression that the lead runner is out when he's touching the same base as the previous runner...at one time they were. Is that not true?
everybody safe good call...this couldve been bad for the batting team... very poor base running.. the runner at 2nd an 3rd should fake advance a few strides to force the 3rd baseman to play the lead runner an help the batter beat the throw to 1st... they both ran as if it was a bases loaded force...situational awareness boys!...the red team blew a golden inning ending DP opportunity
@yoji6365 you have the rule correct, but if its called, the following runner has to actually PASS the preceding runner. From this video, it doesnt look like he passes him, at the most he comes "even" with him. You rarely see this called. For an umpire to call that, the runner has to clearly pass the other runner. On this, the runner doesnt clearly pass him.
if two runners are on the same base at the same time either the lead runner is out or theyre both out, cant remember which but there definitely should have been at least one out called.
@k3kenny actually your wrong if both runners are on the plate the lead runner is able to run back to the other base but if he goes out while running both runners are out. It happenedat my baseball game
@hookemhorns0293 wrong, only when you touch home can you not go back... if you need to go back to a base you can always go back.... The only way someone should be out is when the runner originally started going back to 3rd.... If they were both on the base at the same time, the lead runner is safe, the runner from 2nd is out, which they both appear to be on the base at the same time... if they were not though, then the rest of the call is completely correct
i'd actually get an out on this play. the runner on second appears to have passed the runner on 3rd when the throw gets away at third base. R2 should have been called out.
everyone is safe as the runners have to be tagged in between bases after a ground ball. Everyone got caught in a pickle but luckily, they all made it back.
@chris55000 That would be correct if there was a tag. The only other way that one would be out is if the lead runner were passed by the trail. Otherwise, it's as clear as day in the rules, NHSF, NCAA, and MLB that these runners are safe my friend
@danieledwardbailey Dude...when and where did R2 pass R3??? All they did was occupy the same base. R3 still has a right to third base even though he is caught in a run down and R2 advances to third.
@danieledwardbailey Ok, if if you look, the base runner going home coming back to 3rd slides. His feet are closer to home at all times than the feet of the runner that ended up on second. No runner ever passed another and this is honestly a crazy/close call
0:14 the runner going from first to 2nd starts home on the errant throw. Then realizes he can't pass his buddy and stops. In real time, it is super hard to see.
guy going from 2 to 3 is out. if you watch closely at 0:14 he made a move to home while the other guy was on the base, thus passing the guy on third so he is out. wow though, that is really weird.
NObody is out in the two on a bag situation unless the trailing runner is tagged out. Since first base was open at the time of the pitch, neither runner is forced so, unless tagged while both runners are on the same bag there is no out. I also agree with the runner being passed the runner in front of him. The rule says if the following runner passes...to me that means completely passes. I am pretty sure the decisions book reflects this too. Looked like winter Little Leaguers!!
No for the last time people, one runner is automatically out when any two runners are on the same point of the basepaths, either on or off base, therefore you can't both be on base safely! Look up Kirk Gibson/Brian McRae. McRae passed Gibson and was called out. By both express rule and the logic inherent in the Gibson example, no two runners can occupy the same base ever! I mean, Jesus people, it's in the rulebook verbatim! Rule 7.08(h) guys. For the record, I'm done, I'm not arguing this
That's good because you must have some crazy rulebook, Everyone that has responded to you is right. The only beef that I have is that when the two runners were on third, the runner from second should've been called out because he made an attempt at home while the guy ahead of him was laying on the ground after diving into third.
Biswalt before u get all nerdy with the rules thinking u know the rules, WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN. in ur last comment u said the runner on first went to 2nd, then back to first. u idiot there was no runner on first. The situation was runners on 2nd on 3rd.
No r-tard, I meant the batter, because once he reached 1st he became the runner at first. Secondly how would that make ALL my statements false, my main point was that two people cannot occupy a bag at the same time under any circumstances! My point was that, at least under MLB rules, all runners should have been out. Now the minors might have a different rule, but I gurantee two runners cannot occupy the same bag, one was safe, one was out, period. Even teeball has that rule, man.
There is nothing to call, no one made a tag on any of the runners. True two people can not occupy a base at the same time, but depending on the situation the base runners need to be tagged. That did not happen in this case. So everything is good on my end.
CHECK THIS OUT PEOPLE! at the time 1:18 both runners are on third base at the same time according to the rule can't be two runners occupying the same base,so the rule says that the runner from second should be called out at that time but sure they were not on the both on the same base at the same time,everything should've been legal.
No, that makes one dude safe and one automatically out, read the rules. You are out when you are at the same point on the base path even if you're not on the same bag, ie. b/w bags. So one runner safe other out, and at least in MLB rules the guy overtaken is out, so 3b runner out. 2b runner safe at third, out at least in MLB for running path backwards, as was hitter who ran to second only to run back to 1st. All three out, at least in MLB and all leagues I've been in.
I have been a Umpire for the Canadian baseball for 14 years and a national level for 8 I have showed this to 6 other of my fellow umpires (one of which is a minor level A and AA) ball and the only thing they have said is maybe the runner from 2nd past the runner from 3rd from the angle its hard to tell you can run anyway you want as long as you dont pass anybody or obstruct anybody. I dont know where your getting your info but its wrong you are right if they over take one another
Ummmm, no. You can run the path backwards. Otherwise you wouldn't have any "pickles". Also, there was a very funny play back n the 80's (I think it was the 80's) where an MLB player steals second, thenthe ball gets thrown to the outfield and for some reason he runs back to first, then the throw to first gets jaccked up and he steals second again for the second time on the play. You can go back to first from second. It's not like it's an advantage for the runner.
No, once you reach base safely at 2nd you cannot re-occupy 1st it IS against the rules.Rule 7.02 to be exact and I quote: In advancing, a runner shall touch first, second, third and home base in order. If forced to return, he shall retouch all bases in reverse order, unless the ball is dead under any provision of Rule 5.09. In such cases, the runner may go directly to his original base."
Play u refer to is a runner forced to1st, because he had never touched it to begin with!
It says right there he can go back! The play I'm talking about is there was a man on first, standing on it, not just touching it. Then he leads off and steals second, ball went to the outfield, the dumb ass runner ran back to first, ball overthrown, then he stole second again. And in this video in particular, the guys were forced to go back and they did so in order. So thanks for the rule.
@Biswalt You ARE a dumbass, aren't you? The rule (7.08(i) btw - you can't even quote the correct rule - SHEESH!!!) was designed to stop a runner who was SAFE at 2nd trying to steal 1st on a subsequent play. It was designed in order for the offense not to resort to deceptive practices or make a mockery of the game.
Wow, horrible call by the officials. Once the dude was on third from second he was legally occupying the base. Dude can't go back to second and then 1st. It's running the basepath backwards it's an automatic out.
Ruling should be a triple play. 3b runner is out when he and homedude tage base at same time b/c h'es been overtaken. 2b runner is out when he tags 3b and goes back to 2b. 1b runner/hitter is out when he tags 2b and then runs back to 1st. It's in the rules (see MLB 7.02, 7.03)
So where the rule apply when rules says that can't be two runners on the same base... I paused the video and check for yourself and on the socond :13 both runners are on third base so I understand your point that runner from second base can go back as long as he does it propertly but appearently he did not but he was on third base at the same time when runner heading to home plate when back to third,shouldn't runner from second called out at that point? because that base was already occupied
That rule applies when tagged. Technically, you can have 2 people on the same base (momentarily of course), but the base belongs to the lead runner as long as he hasn't advanced to the next base yet. If they would have chased the guy going home back, and tagged the guy from second, they would have gotten the trail runner out.
If they had both gotten there at the same time the original 3b runners is safe and gets the base and the 2b runner is out unless second is unoccupied then he can go back to second, but that's if there was a tie at 3rd, As it is 2b runner took 3rd, 3rd base runner was therefore no longer legally entitled to it, and it became an out for him for trying to occupy an occupied base. Other runners are out because they legally took bases and then ran backwards to free them up. Horrible call by umps!
Nope. The rule is, if both runners are on the bag, the runner who originally had the bag, is safe, because he had the bag when the play started. The defense then needs to tag the following runner, in this case that would be the runner who was on 2nd, and ran to 3rd. Both runners are never out, if they are on the bag. Only the following runner, if tagged.
Yes! Lead run should've called out and once the second base runner touched third base there is not way he can go back to second,so he did, he should've been called out as well and this rule don't apply to fly outs so I do agree with previous message and too bad that many people don't read baseball rules and they just go by thought or because other people tell them, better for you to read rules so that way nobody make you believe in a false statement. READ GUYS!
Ummm, your wrong on all counts. I umpire college baseball here in So Cal. The lead runner, he is not being forced, so he can go back to 3rd, he doesnt have to run, as he wasnt being forced. He just decided not to try and score. And the runner who was on 2nd, he can go back to his original base, as long as he does it the right way. He touched 3rd, and went back. Where is he supposed to go, since the original runner is back at 3rd? He can go back, or put himself in jeopardy of getting tagged out
A lot of you need to take a rules class. This depends on the level of ball but in general the ball is not dead. And once you advance to the next base you can not return. and two base runners can not be on the same base. when the 2 runners are on third the lead runner will be called out on a delayed call. the runner from second once he starts to returns would be called out on the spot. I did not see if the hitter touched secound or not. so from what I saw there were 2 outs.
All levels of ball, If two runners are on the same base, and not forced, as in this play, the FOLLOWING runner is called out, the base belongs to the lead runner, it was his originally. He took a few steps when the ball was hit then decided to go back. If both runners are on the base, the defense needs to tag the runner who started on 2nd, and was now at 3rd. He can go back to 2nd as long as he does it properly, as he does here. And its not a delayed call, its immediate, if the runner is tagged
one of you said that umpire should have called dead ball and runner out....that is false...the ball is not dead when a runner passes another runner...he is out..but ball is not dead
good call!! You are correct. I dont have the runner out here though for passing the runner. It looks close, but to call him out for passing, to me, he has to be all the way "past" him. Which doesnt look like the case here. There is so much going on here, the umpire would have to be in the perfect position to see that here. And with everything else going on, I dont have a pass here.
All you have to do is bring the ball at home and stay there. No one will be able to advance at all. You chase the runner at 3rd back to base just by looking at him and you also keep the double play chance alive.
NOTE the trail runner who came from second. About the time when both runner were on 3rd, for a split moment the trail runner went a half step in front of the original (lead) runner who was at 3rd. At that moment the umps should have ruled a dead ball and the runner out.
umpires right just very poor execution by the defense, they got confused by all the runners, calm down and get an out preferably the lead runner who cares if someone is already on third you got the guy caught in the middle between home and third give him a proper run down and let them move the runners up
You can go back.. Its just like if your on base and someone hits a fly ball and you don't tag. You can run back to the base you were on even if you pass the 2nd base.. As long as you touch the 2nd base on your way back to the 1st base.
ur right about the fly ball but no the same thing happened to me in a game but they team got called out because they said once you touch the bag you cant go back as long as the ball wasnt a fly out
The player on second should have been out. Both players were touching third base at the same time. The lead runner has the option of returning to the base. Once they are on the base at the same time the second runner (2nd) base is out.
there all safe none were tagged and they all got back to there rightful bases if they were all on the same bases and tagged then the lead runner would be safe and it would be a double play
they must have one hell of a coach when they don;t know what to do on that play
MrStrongarms 3 months ago
at 0:24 the guy at third should of ran home
djdon20 5 months ago
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djdon20 5 months ago
It almost looked like at 0:15 the trailing runner passed the preceding runner. But that's tough to see from this angle, and probably a good no-call anyways considering the ununual nature of the play. Preceding runner entitled to base--good officiating.
PostMortemer12 5 months ago
safe
Alantadback 6 months ago
Piss-poor base-running, and lucky SOBs. All safe.
But uglier than Rosie O'Donnell in a nighty.
milpoolXXX 6 months ago
And even if one of them was tagged if he was on the base at the time then he is still safe
qwertyuiop4332 7 months ago
The runners have the right to go to each base and retreat from a base so as long as no one was tagged everyone is safe
qwertyuiop4332 7 months ago
Everyone is safe, but if they tagged the runner coming from second when they were both on the base, he would be ruled out.
DoubleWmusic 7 months ago
Most rules state that if two runners occupy same base, the lead runner is entitled to the bag and the trailing runner may be tagged out even if on the base.
dwolfg 7 months ago
i dont kno at all
manalego 7 months ago
everyone is safe
tvmoviesandmusic 7 months ago
All runners are safe
tdigiano 8 months ago
the defence got fukin owned! dim wits
jujuflytrap 9 months ago
No force no tag no out
SquirrelMasterOne 9 months ago
man, that defensive team really screwed up a chance for at lest 1 out! and for the offence, u got luky
dillitheduck 9 months ago
LOL....THATS WHAT OUR TRAVEL TEAM DO ALL THE TIME.THATS WHY WERE NUMMBER1.
rowrowflo 9 months ago
every1 was safe
ninjamonkeybird 9 months ago
What just happen was that a bunch of failures who didn't make the show tried to played baseball and failed epicly
ConkeyCrack 10 months ago
they didn't think
KraZeDxShoTzz 10 months ago
well that was confusing
Canada9990 10 months ago
running away win
SquallLeonhart4444 10 months ago
all safe. Should have thrown to the 3rd baseman.
fixitman21 1 year ago
totallyn stumped. ha ha.
zachmcrath 1 year ago
poor execution by the defense.
alpharedtrot 1 year ago
easy they were stumped 0_o
madweemitch44 1 year ago
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what was 3rd and short who ever was covering doing standing there like morons….Get in the play ya morons or sit on the pine..WOW they shitty
TeBoi1 1 year ago
what was 3rd and short who ever was covering doing standing there like morons….Get in the play ya morons or sit on the pine..
TeBoi1 1 year ago
Why can't little league have these kind of good umpires. Ours suck.
taipod119guys 1 year ago
ALL SAFE BIATCH
wudude13 1 year ago
he should bitchslap his players o.O
danielzz89 1 year ago
loose pucks I see no illegality safe all around is the right call
RandomManAJS 1 year ago
If you pass the runner in front of you you're automatically out. Can't tell if that happened or not. If it didn't, the right call was made.
teejate 1 year ago
at 0:12 to 0:17 the behind runner does cross the first runner. making him out
clubpenguinDUDE1 1 year ago
Coach must have been in a MEGA-RAGE of SUPER-PISSED-OFFNESS!!!!
theman11211994 1 year ago 18
lol wow hahahah i would b pissed off hahaha
unlivable1 1 year ago
i don't know weather to call that totally stupid and lucky base running or completely genius and fantastic base running.
RedFoxGamer3 1 year ago
...oh man. i'd want to quit after that but w/e everyone makes mistakes. Some just make really big ones one after another.
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tree: 2 players can occupy the base at the same time, until the trailing runner is tagged. Everyone is safe is the correct call - UNLESS at the 16 second mark you could say the trailing runner passed the lead runner, which is close. Other than that, it's all legal.
loosepucks 1 year ago
tree: 2 players can occupy the base at the same time, until the trailing runner is tagged. Everyone is safe is the correct call - UNLESS at the 16 second mark you could say the trailing runner passed the lead runner, which is close. Other than that, it's all legal.
loosepucks 1 year ago
at 0:14 the lead runner should have been out, because two peopel were occupying the base at the same time and you cant do that, so technically, bad call.
tree224331 1 year ago
@tree224331 yup
MichaelOhara 1 year ago
@tree224331 First neither runner is automatically out, they need to be tagged. Second if/when the defensive does tag the runner the lead runner is entitled to that base so the runner behind him would be out. Know some rules before commenting.
chitownref 1 year ago 11
@chitownref yep everyones safe
Jonathanev1 1 year ago
@chitownref it depends on the rules but if 2 runners occupy a base one of them is out according to dixie league but it all depends on which rules you go by
dapens1 7 months ago
@dapens1 the 2nd runner is out when tagged
spudfour 7 months ago
that was wierd :D
legoman200000 1 year ago
wtf!?!?!
M16A41000 1 year ago
now those are good umps
jklm4babies 1 year ago
Everyone is safe. Good call.
dastiger 1 year ago
@sportmusicguy97 no if you retouch the bases in order. it's legal.
xPanthers09 1 year ago
actually the lead runner is out because the runner behind him occupied 3rd at the same time. the other two runners are safe at 1st and 2nd.
lilwedge2000 1 year ago
The runner who started on second base is out. If you actually WATCH the play when the lead runner slides back into third base, at 0:16, the lead runner has his foot on third base while the second runner has a foot down the third base line. Therefore, the runner from second base has passed the lead runner, and under Rule 7.08(h), any runner who passes another runner before that other runner is out, is himself out.
cureholder 1 year ago
@cureholder not in high school rules my friend
Bengford 1 year ago
I was under the impression that the lead runner is out when he's touching the same base as the previous runner...at one time they were. Is that not true?
db0255 1 year ago
@db0255 That's only if they tag the runner. Its also the only case where a runner can be tagged out when standing on a bag.
ReaperOfMen 1 year ago
that was so smart
acdcsrs 1 year ago
every body is safe 2 me
mandonalex 1 year ago
Can a runner come back to a base that he has already run? i mean,can you go to 1st after passing by 2nd?
nanyfede8805 1 year ago
@nanyfede8805 yes
acdcsrs 1 year ago
@nanyfede8805 yea as long as you re touch every base ur good to go back
bigbrit93 1 year ago
everybody safe good call...this couldve been bad for the batting team... very poor base running.. the runner at 2nd an 3rd should fake advance a few strides to force the 3rd baseman to play the lead runner an help the batter beat the throw to 1st... they both ran as if it was a bases loaded force...situational awareness boys!...the red team blew a golden inning ending DP opportunity
rascalferret 1 year ago
wow LUCKY!!
elijahdrakeandhunter 1 year ago
wierd
TheVlad0000 1 year ago
i'm safe too
Zoroasterrrr 1 year ago
safe everything is safe
MrTimothy13 1 year ago
safe on all bases
SASOE23 1 year ago
All's well here.
Oh, and for those that aren't aware, if both runners were tagged while touching the same base, then the FOLLOWING runner would be out.
backdown12345 1 year ago
TOTALLY STUMPED .. haha
ststephen909 1 year ago
EVERYBODY IS SAFE!
JohnCenaIsDaBomb1 1 year ago
Wow, very well done. And very nicely explained by the commentator. Very well handled by the umpires as well.
300Z31 1 year ago
the runner on second passed the runner on 3rd after he slid back into 3rd base, he should have been called out
yoji6365 1 year ago
@yoji6365 you have the rule correct, but if its called, the following runner has to actually PASS the preceding runner. From this video, it doesnt look like he passes him, at the most he comes "even" with him. You rarely see this called. For an umpire to call that, the runner has to clearly pass the other runner. On this, the runner doesnt clearly pass him.
chuckfan1 1 year ago
GUys, if you don't know the rules of baseball, then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Cuz, the field has to TAG him while both guys are on the base. Durhh Da Durhh
superninjahotdogs 1 year ago
right call. None of the runners passed the other. Correct Call!!
aubrandon 1 year ago
Chuck Norris' Baseball..
TehRunescapeClan 1 year ago
the runner at 2nd is out
marlinssoxguy11 1 year ago
if two runners are on the same base at the same time either the lead runner is out or theyre both out, cant remember which but there definitely should have been at least one out called.
k3kenny 1 year ago
@k3kenny actually your wrong if both runners are on the plate the lead runner is able to run back to the other base but if he goes out while running both runners are out. It happenedat my baseball game
BXBOMBER457 1 year ago
bunch of dumbasses to let them all be safe
CFlaherty93 1 year ago
Huh?
denarox18 1 year ago
what just happened ...... they suck
TheManixx 1 year ago
EPIC FAIL
ilovewwelottz 1 year ago
@ chickenis6 obviously u don't know baseball
TheLADODGERS 1 year ago
can you back from a base after being safe?
and two players touched the same base at the same time-out
chickenis6 1 year ago
can two players occupy the same base?
ritalate 1 year ago
@hookemhorns0293 wrong, only when you touch home can you not go back... if you need to go back to a base you can always go back.... The only way someone should be out is when the runner originally started going back to 3rd.... If they were both on the base at the same time, the lead runner is safe, the runner from 2nd is out, which they both appear to be on the base at the same time... if they were not though, then the rest of the call is completely correct
wolves07 1 year ago
@wolves07 never mind, i read my rule wrong... they would have to be tagged for the runner from 2nd to be out
wolves07 1 year ago
i'd actually get an out on this play. the runner on second appears to have passed the runner on 3rd when the throw gets away at third base. R2 should have been called out.
PhilOrzechowski 1 year ago
They werent safe, once you touch a bag, you can't go back.
hookemhorns0293 1 year ago
@hookemhorns0293 If you get caught in a pickle you can go back.
cepope13 1 year ago
Um, why would anyone think this is a difficult situation to call? waste of time.
Sopak23 1 year ago
good job blue! first good close call i have seen in a long time from the umps
zZBBZz100 1 year ago
wait wahat?
sparky7590 1 year ago
everybody's safe
BasesLoaded123 1 year ago
everyone is safe as the runners have to be tagged in between bases after a ground ball. Everyone got caught in a pickle but luckily, they all made it back.
washingtonsooners 1 year ago
everyone is safe good call
crazey4wwe2 1 year ago
When two players touch the same bag, the last one to touch it is out.
chris55000 1 year ago
@chris55000 That would be correct if there was a tag. The only other way that one would be out is if the lead runner were passed by the trail. Otherwise, it's as clear as day in the rules, NHSF, NCAA, and MLB that these runners are safe my friend
mrlaymansterms1 1 year ago
1:14 WOOOHOOO I GOT IT
cilothechilos 1 year ago
and still the right call
ravex24 1 year ago
Even if the call was correct or not. that´s horrible defense
Intercity101 1 year ago
What The HECK!
Riley35271cp 1 year ago
How is this a decision? Nobody is out because the umpires never called anybody out. In all judgement calls, the umpire is correct.
Runner on 2nd advancing passed the runner on 3rd SHOULD have been out. Out of position umpire in the 3 hole misses that one.
danieledwardbailey 1 year ago
@danieledwardbailey Dude...when and where did R2 pass R3??? All they did was occupy the same base. R3 still has a right to third base even though he is caught in a run down and R2 advances to third.
redverter 1 year ago
@danieledwardbailey Oh..nevermind. I see it at 0:14. Thats still too close to call from the angle we're given in this video.
redverter 1 year ago
@danieledwardbailey Ok, if if you look, the base runner going home coming back to 3rd slides. His feet are closer to home at all times than the feet of the runner that ended up on second. No runner ever passed another and this is honestly a crazy/close call
ravex24 1 year ago
@ravex24
0:14 the runner going from first to 2nd starts home on the errant throw. Then realizes he can't pass his buddy and stops. In real time, it is super hard to see.
danieledwardbailey 1 year ago
@ravex24 I meant runner on 2nd advancing to 3rd starts home...
danieledwardbailey 1 year ago
guy going from 2 to 3 is out. if you watch closely at 0:14 he made a move to home while the other guy was on the base, thus passing the guy on third so he is out. wow though, that is really weird.
countryfirst32 1 year ago
yeah, he never tagged someone on third... he was safe, holy shit
carpetmucher9 1 year ago
NObody is out in the two on a bag situation unless the trailing runner is tagged out. Since first base was open at the time of the pitch, neither runner is forced so, unless tagged while both runners are on the same bag there is no out. I also agree with the runner being passed the runner in front of him. The rule says if the following runner passes...to me that means completely passes. I am pretty sure the decisions book reflects this too. Looked like winter Little Leaguers!!
jrwripit 1 year ago
No for the last time people, one runner is automatically out when any two runners are on the same point of the basepaths, either on or off base, therefore you can't both be on base safely! Look up Kirk Gibson/Brian McRae. McRae passed Gibson and was called out. By both express rule and the logic inherent in the Gibson example, no two runners can occupy the same base ever! I mean, Jesus people, it's in the rulebook verbatim! Rule 7.08(h) guys. For the record, I'm done, I'm not arguing this
Biswalt 1 year ago
That's good because you must have some crazy rulebook, Everyone that has responded to you is right. The only beef that I have is that when the two runners were on third, the runner from second should've been called out because he made an attempt at home while the guy ahead of him was laying on the ground after diving into third.
countryfirst32 1 year ago
he just didnt tag anyone that wasnt on the base ..
MetalOmgz 1 year ago
Runners on second and third*
Boltfire21 2 years ago
Biswalt before u get all nerdy with the rules thinking u know the rules, WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN. in ur last comment u said the runner on first went to 2nd, then back to first. u idiot there was no runner on first. The situation was runners on 2nd on 3rd.
all ur statements are false
Boltfire21 2 years ago
No r-tard, I meant the batter, because once he reached 1st he became the runner at first. Secondly how would that make ALL my statements false, my main point was that two people cannot occupy a bag at the same time under any circumstances! My point was that, at least under MLB rules, all runners should have been out. Now the minors might have a different rule, but I gurantee two runners cannot occupy the same bag, one was safe, one was out, period. Even teeball has that rule, man.
Biswalt 1 year ago
even in the minor level they can occupy the same bag if the other team doesnt discover it they can run back to where they need should be
iggyjill 1 year ago
There is nothing to call, no one made a tag on any of the runners. True two people can not occupy a base at the same time, but depending on the situation the base runners need to be tagged. That did not happen in this case. So everything is good on my end.
jinxxxinco 2 years ago
I agree I showed this to 4 other umpires I umpire with and they all say wow and no calls to make
iggyjill 1 year ago
CHECK THIS OUT PEOPLE! at the time 1:18 both runners are on third base at the same time according to the rule can't be two runners occupying the same base,so the rule says that the runner from second should be called out at that time but sure they were not on the both on the same base at the same time,everything should've been legal.
francbloom18 2 years ago
two people can occupy a base providing they dont be tagged the leading runner is the right person to determine who has the base or not
iggyjill 1 year ago
No, that makes one dude safe and one automatically out, read the rules. You are out when you are at the same point on the base path even if you're not on the same bag, ie. b/w bags. So one runner safe other out, and at least in MLB rules the guy overtaken is out, so 3b runner out. 2b runner safe at third, out at least in MLB for running path backwards, as was hitter who ran to second only to run back to 1st. All three out, at least in MLB and all leagues I've been in.
Biswalt 1 year ago
I have been a Umpire for the Canadian baseball for 14 years and a national level for 8 I have showed this to 6 other of my fellow umpires (one of which is a minor level A and AA) ball and the only thing they have said is maybe the runner from 2nd past the runner from 3rd from the angle its hard to tell you can run anyway you want as long as you dont pass anybody or obstruct anybody. I dont know where your getting your info but its wrong you are right if they over take one another
iggyjill 1 year ago
@Biswalt you can occupy the same base given your not tagged or the trailing runner does not move or stand infront of the lead runner.
livezeppelin 1 year ago
Ummmm, no. You can run the path backwards. Otherwise you wouldn't have any "pickles". Also, there was a very funny play back n the 80's (I think it was the 80's) where an MLB player steals second, thenthe ball gets thrown to the outfield and for some reason he runs back to first, then the throw to first gets jaccked up and he steals second again for the second time on the play. You can go back to first from second. It's not like it's an advantage for the runner.
ravex24 1 year ago
No, once you reach base safely at 2nd you cannot re-occupy 1st it IS against the rules.Rule 7.02 to be exact and I quote: In advancing, a runner shall touch first, second, third and home base in order. If forced to return, he shall retouch all bases in reverse order, unless the ball is dead under any provision of Rule 5.09. In such cases, the runner may go directly to his original base."
Play u refer to is a runner forced to1st, because he had never touched it to begin with!
Biswalt 1 year ago
It says right there he can go back! The play I'm talking about is there was a man on first, standing on it, not just touching it. Then he leads off and steals second, ball went to the outfield, the dumb ass runner ran back to first, ball overthrown, then he stole second again. And in this video in particular, the guys were forced to go back and they did so in order. So thanks for the rule.
ravex24 1 year ago
@Biswalt You ARE a dumbass, aren't you? The rule (7.08(i) btw - you can't even quote the correct rule - SHEESH!!!) was designed to stop a runner who was SAFE at 2nd trying to steal 1st on a subsequent play. It was designed in order for the offense not to resort to deceptive practices or make a mockery of the game.
SimonFoster23111971 1 year ago
Wow, horrible call by the officials. Once the dude was on third from second he was legally occupying the base. Dude can't go back to second and then 1st. It's running the basepath backwards it's an automatic out.
Ruling should be a triple play. 3b runner is out when he and homedude tage base at same time b/c h'es been overtaken. 2b runner is out when he tags 3b and goes back to 2b. 1b runner/hitter is out when he tags 2b and then runs back to 1st. It's in the rules (see MLB 7.02, 7.03)
Biswalt 2 years ago
MLB rules and minor ball is way different
iggyjill 1 year ago
Just go to the video replay ....and make the call umps.!! easy-
BigBearVids 2 years ago
Im not all up to date on my baseball rules, but I think the umps did a good call..it was a bit chaotic I must say.
reverendjeremiah 2 years ago
EVERY1 SAFE!!!
jesse2762 2 years ago
I have no idea
CAZZERNERY 2 years ago
everybody is safe, good call umps
jakeE500 2 years ago 13
The umps did right. neither runner should be called out on this play.
cultrox 2 years ago 5
the person that was on 2 base he has to stay there so the catcher should of tagged home
ITALO1232 2 years ago
So where the rule apply when rules says that can't be two runners on the same base... I paused the video and check for yourself and on the socond :13 both runners are on third base so I understand your point that runner from second base can go back as long as he does it propertly but appearently he did not but he was on third base at the same time when runner heading to home plate when back to third,shouldn't runner from second called out at that point? because that base was already occupied
francbloom18 2 years ago
That rule applies when tagged. Technically, you can have 2 people on the same base (momentarily of course), but the base belongs to the lead runner as long as he hasn't advanced to the next base yet. If they would have chased the guy going home back, and tagged the guy from second, they would have gotten the trail runner out.
kmcnelly 2 years ago
If they had both gotten there at the same time the original 3b runners is safe and gets the base and the 2b runner is out unless second is unoccupied then he can go back to second, but that's if there was a tie at 3rd, As it is 2b runner took 3rd, 3rd base runner was therefore no longer legally entitled to it, and it became an out for him for trying to occupy an occupied base. Other runners are out because they legally took bases and then ran backwards to free them up. Horrible call by umps!
Biswalt 2 years ago
If two runner are on the same bag both runners are out (Not sure if it's both or just the lead runner). But they were both on 3rd at :13.
SxChampagne32 2 years ago
Nope. The rule is, if both runners are on the bag, the runner who originally had the bag, is safe, because he had the bag when the play started. The defense then needs to tag the following runner, in this case that would be the runner who was on 2nd, and ran to 3rd. Both runners are never out, if they are on the bag. Only the following runner, if tagged.
chuckfan1 2 years ago
Ok, I wasn't sure, but I knew at least one of them were out.
SxChampagne32 2 years ago
haha
haz3yb0y 2 years ago
Yes! Lead run should've called out and once the second base runner touched third base there is not way he can go back to second,so he did, he should've been called out as well and this rule don't apply to fly outs so I do agree with previous message and too bad that many people don't read baseball rules and they just go by thought or because other people tell them, better for you to read rules so that way nobody make you believe in a false statement. READ GUYS!
francbloom18 2 years ago
Lead runner can't retreat beyond 3rd. Trailing runner can't retreat beyond 2nd. Batter can't retreat beyond 1st.
Lead runner has legal possession of 3rd 'til he touches home, ergo trailing runner never had possession of 3rd and can retreat.
Trailing runner has legal possession of 2nd 'til he gets LEGAL POSSESSION of 3rd. Batter can retreat to 1st.
Step one: Read the DEFINITIONS in the rule book.
Step two: Get a "CASE BOOK" and read that.
Step 3: Think a long, hard time before posting.
milwaukeejt 2 years ago 2
Ummm, your wrong on all counts. I umpire college baseball here in So Cal. The lead runner, he is not being forced, so he can go back to 3rd, he doesnt have to run, as he wasnt being forced. He just decided not to try and score. And the runner who was on 2nd, he can go back to his original base, as long as he does it the right way. He touched 3rd, and went back. Where is he supposed to go, since the original runner is back at 3rd? He can go back, or put himself in jeopardy of getting tagged out
chuckfan1 2 years ago
A lot of you need to take a rules class. This depends on the level of ball but in general the ball is not dead. And once you advance to the next base you can not return. and two base runners can not be on the same base. when the 2 runners are on third the lead runner will be called out on a delayed call. the runner from second once he starts to returns would be called out on the spot. I did not see if the hitter touched secound or not. so from what I saw there were 2 outs.
doltmann1 2 years ago
All levels of ball, If two runners are on the same base, and not forced, as in this play, the FOLLOWING runner is called out, the base belongs to the lead runner, it was his originally. He took a few steps when the ball was hit then decided to go back. If both runners are on the base, the defense needs to tag the runner who started on 2nd, and was now at 3rd. He can go back to 2nd as long as he does it properly, as he does here. And its not a delayed call, its immediate, if the runner is tagged
chuckfan1 2 years ago
All safe.. Good call, it appears the catcher air mailed the ball, so possible error on the catcher (E2)
Fox946 2 years ago 2
one of you said that umpire should have called dead ball and runner out....that is false...the ball is not dead when a runner passes another runner...he is out..but ball is not dead
RVD4Life1 2 years ago
good call!! You are correct. I dont have the runner out here though for passing the runner. It looks close, but to call him out for passing, to me, he has to be all the way "past" him. Which doesnt look like the case here. There is so much going on here, the umpire would have to be in the perfect position to see that here. And with everything else going on, I dont have a pass here.
chuckfan1 2 years ago
All you have to do is bring the ball at home and stay there. No one will be able to advance at all. You chase the runner at 3rd back to base just by looking at him and you also keep the double play chance alive.
Ascendency 2 years ago
lol great base running
jjmmcc443344 2 years ago
NOTE the trail runner who came from second. About the time when both runner were on 3rd, for a split moment the trail runner went a half step in front of the original (lead) runner who was at 3rd. At that moment the umps should have ruled a dead ball and the runner out.
guyfroml 2 years ago
umpires right just very poor execution by the defense, they got confused by all the runners, calm down and get an out preferably the lead runner who cares if someone is already on third you got the guy caught in the middle between home and third give him a proper run down and let them move the runners up
klemle 2 years ago
lol that was awesome
itsherbie33 2 years ago
You can go back.. Its just like if your on base and someone hits a fly ball and you don't tag. You can run back to the base you were on even if you pass the 2nd base.. As long as you touch the 2nd base on your way back to the 1st base.
wolfbait74 2 years ago
ur right about the fly ball but no the same thing happened to me in a game but they team got called out because they said once you touch the bag you cant go back as long as the ball wasnt a fly out
Vercetti44133 2 years ago
umpires made the right call
Scorp959 2 years ago
out
once u occupy a base u cant go back unless the ball was hit in the air
mclong44 2 years ago 2
wrong
Jinxteru 2 years ago
weapon30 and lookitzmark are both almost right. umpires(once again) got it right.
taterblue 2 years ago
once u advance to a base and touch it on a live ball u dont have the option to go back to your previous base
lookitzmark 2 years ago
sorry no, if u tag the base u advanced to then u may go bak to the previous base
QuelDanas 2 years ago
wrong
cubs0110 2 years ago
The player on second should have been out. Both players were touching third base at the same time. The lead runner has the option of returning to the base. Once they are on the base at the same time the second runner (2nd) base is out.
weapon30 2 years ago
yep
guynumber12 2 years ago
yes that wouldve happened had they not thrown the ball away, they have to tag the base in order to get the 2nd baserunner out
QuelDanas 2 years ago
lucky fkers
44jler44 2 years ago
WOW THAT IS NICE
StevenW405 2 years ago
wow lol good job on getting out of that one i bet the managers where shaking their heads. they are all safe.
TheSrikeOutCards 2 years ago
Wow, i dont know what happened.
Very hard, but i agree with the umpire. they are safe.
SuperMariofB 2 years ago
haha
tschopp44 2 years ago
there all safe none were tagged and they all got back to there rightful bases if they were all on the same bases and tagged then the lead runner would be safe and it would be a double play
rockbandsmaster 2 years ago
all safe
notanomad 2 years ago
yah the're all safe
sumrandomguy86 2 years ago
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