You sure have spent a lot of time and effort to establish that you are one of the biggest morons on Youtube! Hey what kind of snakes are in season at your church there in Lincolnton you twit!
To get the latest figures you have to go by the same list of factors (not just medical mistakes beccause that is like saying all asian countries only sell x amount of cars because of what Kia sold last year, you have to add it ALL up not just some of it show WHO can convey a certain stance.) and add up the latest figures for 2009. When you add it up the same way you get 760k for today's figures.
@nyclear The point is, you're NOT adding up the other side of the equation: number who die of heart attacks, cancer, automobile accidents, etc. You're adding the figures on one side but not the other; that's DISHONEST.
I am asking you to add up all the american made cars and compare them to japanese cars here. That was presumptiive. Here is the article: The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000
Jama is not the Internet. Read the AMA's own journal. If you want to trust WHO after what they just hid from the public regarding Baxter, go right ahead. Add the numbers up manually. Do the math. There you will find the truth. Or do I get warnings because you are stuck in one perspective as "truth" and cannot here an opposing opinion. I am referring you to a leading medical journal yet you want to boot me for lies? WHO is not adding up everything pertinent only 1 factor. That'd not valid
@nyclear JAMA is a medical journal. Just saying JAMA is NOT citing a source. You need to cite the article, with title, issue, and page numbers. You have not.
And you don't just "add up numbers," because that's LYING. It would be like me adding up all of the GM and Ford cars, comparing the number to Kia, and using it to say that the US made more cars than Asia.
It is just as bogus to call something bogus without proper research as vice versa by the way. This is my point. And it's not cardiovascular disease. You didn't even do your own inquiry before you said I lied. Again, ad up all deaths from people getting correct treatment and who dies from the treatment, malpractice deaths, hospital infections, pharmacy errors, etc. If you do the math yourself and not rely on an industry $the number exceeds cardiovascular deaths. Do the math. Read jama
@shanedk. Look it up in regards to leading cause of death. JAMA Jan 2000 I believe. Or look it up on the web. All u have to do is add up medical mistakes, iatrogenic deaths, malpractice deaths, negligence deaths etc. This is a known fact among medical resesrchers who but is spoken of little since medicine is a huge industry. This is the bond faith in Modern science I am talking about. Did u see the latest research that definatively coorelates autism and vaccines? Of course not.
@nyclear I *DID* look it up: from the WHO, not some random page on the internet. The deaths you're talking about number about 50-60,000 per year. Cardiovascular disease claims MANY TIMES that amount.
@Siriusmined my point is, we know crap about crap. But if you say they are charlatans I think it's only fair you had a direct experience to back that up rather than making sweeping statements about something you haven't experienced. Maybe you are comfortable with that. I remain open until I saw, touched, heard it for myself. Especially since there is no research worth noting to go by. What are you going by, anyway? YouTube videos? What other inexperienced people say? One bad experience with a
@Siriusmined one could argue that all medical doctors are charlatans too since the leading cause of death in the USA is prescription drugs and surgeries. If you use the same statistical analysis that the journal of American medical association used to say these are 3rd leading cause in 2000, the stats now say #1. Things are not always as they seem
@Siriusmined. I think everyone has a right to an opinion. I know a few really great people who would never tell a lie who are also astrologers. I have never referred anyone to them who didn't report having a profound, insightful and accurate experience. Which includes follks with Doctorates in various science field. ( I have one). We know very little as a species so to be adamant about not believing something is a slippery slope be well.
What's funny is how they make claims that it works, but are NEVER willing to demonstrate to someone that isn't already a believer (with confirmation biases already in place)
@SiriusMined I think expert astrologers just don't want to bother proving something to anybody at this point. Respect them or not, you pay them for their time like any other profession. Could you imagine telling a respected accountant that I don't believe you are any good so give me some free accounting? Life is short. Believe or don't believe. My take is you have to experience something solidly a few times before having a valid opinion. But that's just me.
You say that he should be able to prove that he can perform what he claims to be able to perform.
So what is he claiming? I just watched the video that this is a response too, and it seems to me that all he is claiming is that Astrology is a venerable discipline of understanding complex parts of life through symbolic thought.
I think what he is trying to communicate to you is that Astrology cannot create rigorous proven results because it is not intended to.
The whole debate sort of reminds me of what happened to childbirth around the turn of the century.
Industrialization and sanitation brought a surgical perspective to childbirth, and this cold clinical perspective did alot of good, and childbirth mortality went down.
However, there were many issues that delivering mothers experienced were outside the strictly medical experience of their doctors. The housewives of old and their traditional methods had been thrown out.. cont
... so mothers who experienced problems that their doctors did not understand suffered greatly during this period.
Now, children are delivered in a synthesis of both the new and old ways, with serious attention given to both the scientific medical side of things, but also to things that would have been considered bogus and non-medical like breathing techniques, emotional support, and nesting.
*whoops meant to say midwife instead of housewife on that other post*
Just because the physical claims and explanations of the matrons and midwives were "bogus" and non-factual (midwivey) does NOT mean that the wisdom derived through hundreds of years practice is worthless.
No need to pick on the astrologers that are just trying to help people make some shred of sense out of all this craziness.
Pick on the ones that apply astrology to questions that can be actually solved by other means.
@monkeymule Wise words. Also interesting that our infant mortality rate in this country is not so hot. There are some 3rd world countries that beat us. Plus, science is in it's infancy stage even in 2010. We still mostly deliver babies in hospitals with women on their back when that was started by a sadistic King hundreds of years ago. He wanted to see his wife in pain since the pelvic floor contracts on your back. Yet 'modern' medicine still uses that practice for the most part? 'science'
Post#11: And by the way, 10 "hits" out of 12 attempts would suffice.
Post#5
Regarding "setting the bar high" for what the JREF would consider a successful demonstration of your claim, well, yes, we do set the bar high, but not inappropriately so (in our opinion), considering the Million Dollar Prize we offer in return.
Exactly 1 chance on 7.149.277 x 7.149.277 = 51.112.161.622.729
I am curious how much personal investigation you did to come up with your conclusions. Have you had your chart read and perhaps had a few other friends' charts read? What data brought you to this conclusion? Also, any astrologer who claims to predict the future or outcomes etc isnt really practicing astrology. The knowledge is said to be a probablity wave that can land in a number of possible locations within a framework.Good luck with all of this! I hope you come to some clarity either way
To really do this right, you would want the astrologer to analyze the 10 people's charts and then have a PHyD who is known for analyzing personalties very well do the same. Then you have a valid test. Or coorelate Meyers brigg with people's natal charts.
This is a great test you propose. To make it even better I would propose that you find 10 people who clearly know who they are. Because alot of us might think we know who we are personality wise, but dont always. I bet if you took 10 people and gave them Meyers Brigg or another personality test, you might not always get 6 or more people choosing their own results. I bet most wives could pick their husbands out of the pile but most men couldn't. Especially those with analytical minds. Achem.
We're actually doing the test with another astrologer. It's been modified quite a bit; the astrologer is coming up with a personality form to give the ten participants. He will be given the results and the participants' birth data separately and will have to match them together. If he gets 6 or more, he succeeds and we recommend him for Randi's million dollar challenge.
this is a little better but i would rather see meyer's briggs used or something more valid than asking people about their own personality. Asking subjects about themselves destroys the study. Also, you should use controls if you are going to make all this effort. And I would want to see you use more than 1 astrologer. And they should be someone is respected in the astrologic community. You picking the astrologer is like a blind person picking house paint colors. You must know you this.
Well, any time you do a test you need to be able to do it the way the subject claims to be able to do it.
There's no way he could deduce the birth data from the answers, and so it is therefore a valid test. As long as we can make sure he doesn't cheat, successful results (6 or more) would be a positive result for astrology.
This is not what J.Randi is asking for give his prize. He wants that an astrologer much at least 10 on 12 horoscopes, in two tests. The chances of doing that are 1 against 50 thousand billions.
(50.000.000.000.000)
Maybe astrology is not a science, but also what Randi does is not science, it is a fraud.
"Just do exactly what you claim to be able to do."
Ladies and gentlemen it doesn't get much clearer than that.
Thus there should be no hesitation on the part of these people to meet the challenge if they really can predict personality using date, time and place of birth.
[Maybe they'll have a great answer for why I'm such a cranky asocial Libra who can be rude and confrontational at times...]
When you have two opposing forces, using the same method isn't going to work for both. It's important to have a "neutral" method of testing, if there's going to be any testing at all. Randi's "challenge" isn't fair. You want us to play by your rules but you are not willing to play by ours: How are we ever to get along?
Randi's challenge IS neutral. The CLAIMANT develops the test to be used and the conditions it should be under. Randi isn't even THERE when the testing is done.
You'd know all that if you actually READ the challenge rules.
See none of that makes any logical sense whatsoever. For the sake of argument, if the planets do have an effect it should be right when the fetus develops. Of course, we know that's not true at all. That experiment done by randi and the fact the sun is off one full sign contradicts the so called science of astrology further.
To Shane- Your videos are good. It has great merit. One more thing to people that are pro-astrology. If planets really did have an effect on someone's personality and how'd they be in life why is there date of birth valid. Why can't it be when the fetus develops before it is grown.
Exactly--what's so special about the birth process? What about premature babies, or babies born through C-section? What if one day we have a baby developed completely ex-utero who is therefore never born at all? How would you read his chart?
Chadow is a moron and he misrepresents astrology. I don't blame you for being skeptical about the subject, but I suggest suspending disbelief and practicing it for a good 3 months. It is divinatory and interpretive, and works through perception much like a language does. If you immersed yourself in it and approached it in an unbiased manner, you would be more credible as a judge of it.
That is not its purpose. Identical birth charts don't make identical people. Where in your "rational" brain did you get the idea that astrologers think there is no individuality in people born at the same time? Thats ridiculous. If you want to doubt astrology, attack it from at least a semi-educated angle. Stop arguing with YouTube morons like Chadow.
"Identical birth charts don't make identical people."
No one said anything about identical. But there should be SOME things that are more similar about them than people born months apart.
If you're incapable of grasping that, then YOU'RE the one that's not even semi-educated. On the other hand, if you do, then you just set up a false dichotomy, which is most dishonest of you.
You aren't able to perceive reality through the eyes of the test subjects. Nor am I. Subjective experience is not replicable. No experiment can make you understand what life through their eyes is like. That in itself proves this twin thing fallacious. It is blatant misinterpretation of astrology's nature and goals.
It's just another pathetic excuse to avoid the facts. They weren't "test subjects." They were people whose lives were followed over a period of 40 years.
Subjective experience... learn what that means, and then consider your argument. Its very rational, so you should be able to understand it. Maybe you'll even begin to see why monitoring someone's life is not the same as living it personally. This is as absurd as someone never learning about chemistry while simultaneously attacking the periodic table.
40 years of studying the same old people? Wow, thats sounds like bull shit to me. If Astrology was bull shit, why havent Penn and Teller make a show about how bull shit it was? Hmmm?
AstroMen, just because Penn and Teller or anyone versed in debunking myths hasn't covered another subject that may/may not be a myth, it doesn't make that subject true. I mean, what are you trying to imply here? That's faulty logic dude.
Also some people are successfully at finding themselves while others are not. Most (not read to be all) skeptics have earth and air sun signs -- especially air. :)
I meat someone with the same birthdate and time as I, we are so much alike yet different. I study Astrology and he studies Astronomy. Im gay and he's bi-sexual. I never knew my father and his dad is very distent emotionally. We live the same lives but tell a different tale.
Indeed AstroMen. Nurture has a place as much as nature does. And that's such a wonderful example of how two people born on the exact same day, month, year, time, and location could have differences. Having said that, few are born wit the exact same day, month, year, time, and location. :)
Says who? you? He did my natal chart he was right on. Baby, it takes one to know one and if you call someone bogus, that only meens that you are the one who is bogus. Plus, there are alot of flaws in that stupid Randi challenge.
First; People have a tendency to relate to positive personality traits like music, movies, novels, and even astrology. The Randi Challenge use cold readings to purposely debunk astrology. Allowing no posible way of proving itself.
No, the Randi challenge does not "use" cold reading or anything else. It ONLY uses what the person being tested claims is needed. Scientific controls are put in place, but that's hardly the same thing.
One of these women who works for Randi even said that he purposely use tests where Astrology can be debunked. Randi cheats so that he can be proven right. He wants astrology to fail, so he use tests that would prove astrology false.
Either she's lying or you are. The ONLY test they use is the one the claimant comes up with. They work with the claimant to develop a protocol, and both must agree to it before the test can go forward.
But they didn't do that way. Look, if Astrology is bullshit then why haven't Penn and Teller made a episode debunking it? They said they were in their 4th season, but didn't. And why do governments and leaders use astrology if it wasn't true?
No, you guys are a waste of my time. And what clients? I never charge people with Astrology. I use Astrology personally and with those who are close to me like family, friends and co-workers. And they are all believers.
I think most of us skeptics wouldn't care as soon as all Astrologists stop bilking people out of hard earned money OR by falsely claiming their readings are true and accurate. We all see what we want to see.. whether it's in astrology or the patterns appearing on my french toast at breakfast. But it's not "real".
Second, All astrologers agree that Astrology works, however, we can't agree with the "why" or "how". Astrology is far more complex then just the zodiac signs. I personally prefer to focus on planetary influences.
The Randi Challenge has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with how or why it works. If it does, you can win the Randi Challenge. The hows and whys will be left for the scientists to work out after you win the challenge and the subsequent Nobel Prize.
I don't care about the Randi Challenge. And I'm sure alot of "con artists" of astrology don't care either.(note, I put quotations to quote you of your accusation against us astrologers.)
No, why should you worry about winning $1 million, proving that astrology works, advancing the knowledge of all mankind, and having your name go down in history when you can continue to fleece gullible people by giving them generic advice that can apply to anyone?
If I was to "win" $1 million dollers, I would use it to the research of Astrology. Advancing it and allowing others to learn about it. You can't fight Astrology. Its as old as the day man looked into the heavens.
"All astrologers agree that Astrology works..." -- shocking revelation.
"however, we can't agree with the 'why' or 'how'"
Fine. Submit it to scientific investigation, and let the field develop. Scientists in many fields disagree with one another, but there remains an objective method for arriving at the truth.
I bet you haven't even research astrology. You're just some kind of "bully" attacking something that you don't know. Why? Because you are proof that people fear what they don't know.
More pathetic excuses. I'm EXCITED to learn things I don't know. I'm excited about dark energy, a force in the universe about which we know next to nothing.
I don't "fear" astrology. Astrology DOESN'T WORK.
And if you want to prove me wrong, why don't you start by explaining the time twins study?
For one he contradicts himself big time. He says it's science one minute, then says it's not science another. That's typical of anyone trying to construct a loophole to get out of proven being wrong. No offense, I saw your other videos and you truly live a thousand delusions. Just see astrology for what it is ( an obsolete science made by babylonians 2000 years ago who were limitied to technology and their tribal culture).
I could say that you enjoy critizizing others like a Virgo because it gives you a sence of power over those you feel is inferior like a Leo and many Virgos and Leos will agree that they are like that. This is just a cold reading.
No, they can't because people wants to relate with others. What would work is to make a chart for ten people without them knowing and observe thier personalities.
I have often read for twins and they are often VERY different. I read the whole of the person uses different methods. There are subtle differences and in astrology one looks at location as well. There are fine points to consider. Also nurtue affects us as much as nature does. Each of us are individuals and full of complexity. We are defined by many people and things, including our parents and teachers. When we become teens and adults, we begin the process of "becoming ourselves" again.
Man, youre the "bogos one" It takes one to know one. And who died and gave you the authority of what validates Science. Astrology is real and yeah it is a facinating science.
Yes Mr. Dumbass. Not all astrology charge for there natal reading. Besides, Astrology has been proven. Jerks like you denie to publish it in Scientific Journals. You really don't know what you are talking about.
ok the shuffling up expirement with the readings is bogus.. not everyone has very good analytical skills another words they are not aware of themselves or others! much like yourself.. you wouldnt understand your reading from someone elses, because apparently you know nothing of your true self..
SHANE you can do the expirement yourself!! go out and meet people..
It's the ONLY way to control for the Barnum Effect. If astrology doesn't work that way, then there's no reason to conclude that it's anything but the Barnum Effect in action.
Randi showed in an experiment how easily people buy into vague nonsense: an entire classroom of people thought the exact same reading applied to each of them.
It is such gullibility that keeps the asstrologers in business.
Well, Astrology will survive dispite of what you assholes may say about it. Long live Astrology. Astrology is FACT you mother fuckers! Kiss my ass LOL LOL LOL
You have no idea. Many cultures, governments, and socially important people consult astrologers, psychics, etc.. Just because you are not interested punnet2 doesn't mean no one else is. These arguments are often mute. Go take a class, learn, and then come and discuss. :)
Science is baced on observations, hypotheses, and experimentations. Coming to the conclusion of a theory or modal. That is what Astrology is doing. Therefore, Astrology is a Science. It is also an Art. Personally, Astrology is also a religion, but that is beside the point.
Speaking from one skeptic to another, the One Million Dollar Challenge isn't peer-reviewed either, as Ray Hyman, fellow skeptic pointed out, but it is viewed as scientific. I agree that astrology is unscientific, but I think we ought to be careful about HOW we debunk astrology lest we get accused of applying double standards in our arguments.
Thanks...but tell that to the creationists. Some of them are INSISTING that I deleted posts of theirs that absolutely positively prove that evolution is wrong and creationists are correct and I deleted them because I didn't have an answer for them.
Who wants to take a test when they themselves know that they are decieving people?
Astrologers are smart. They dont want to get owned by the skeptics and scientists. So they pretend that they are not challenged ot just ignore the challenges.
Astrologers are like leaches and vultures who pray on the weak minded people.
Thats not true. If you want me to prove you that astrology is true then fine, but don't expect us to give you a free natal chart reading just to prove it. I have proof that Astrology have proven itself throughout history.
There is another way to test this, have one person that the astrologers can do a reading on then take 5 to 10 or more astrologers on the same day but make sure they don't know that it's a test, have them come in at different times so they cannot communicate with each other, have them do a reading on the one person. see if all their readings are the same for the person they are doing on the reading.
Of course you would have to rule out bigoted astrologers. There are some who hates a sign and therefore have alot of negative response towards that sign.
ive recognized from personal experience that people who have little patience and poor analytical skills dont give a damn about astrology..and thats an interesting observation itself. Theres almost an unlimited amount of information on the WEB just for you! look up some stuff shanekd..if you have relationships..compare information. For the record..since quantum theory has arrived, astrology is now considered a science...you need to be a quantum physicist to understand these cycles of time.
Please explain what POSSIBLE connection there could be between quantum physics and astrology. Astrology deals with the position of very large objects (planets, moons, and stars) in the sky, and quantum mechanics ONLY deals with elementary particles, which are the tiniest things there are.
There is really no difference between the metaphysics and the quantum physics. Both talks about things that are within and beyond the physical mundane world.
There have been journals publish that proves Astrology as a Science. It's just that they were destroyed by tyrants such as Adoph Hitler, The PSICOPS, Bigoted Scientists, and the Monotheistic Authorities.
Oh so little do you know. Astrology like Alchemy are the oldest of Science. If it weren't for Science, Astrology and Alchemy would have died. These great subjects were kept secret, vailed from religious bigotry.
NOT true. Aristarchus had an astronomical treatise (which did not survive the destruction of Alexandria) which correctly put the sun at the center of our solar system and the stars very far away, centuries before Ptolemy messed it all up and laid the foundations for modern astrology.
HAha,so funny. The other funny thing as that all Randi's opposition back in the day cried about how if he's so sure about his ideas that he should put his money where his mouth is and as soon as he did they cried about how its a "cheap stunt" to offer a prize. Can't win,can we?
..poor education, peer pressure, poor education, genetic issues, poor education, inability to accept personal responsibility, inadequate education, religious upbringing, poor education. You know, all the usual reasons why people believe in nonsense.
Not necessarily a poor education... just the lack of ability/desire to think things through... of course poor education directly leads to the "lack of ability" case... but just pointing out that it's possible to be educated and still believe in nonsense.
If you want to see the COMMENT sections of the videos of James Young go to my profile and my Astrology and Science video, then read the description. All links are there. Read only, unfortunately.
I have been learning astrology for more than 10 years and YES I keep an open mind and it's true,many unanswered questions.I was blocked from posting and I never insulted anybody,just plane questions and facts. I ran into astrology-and-science dot com.Very interesting.
Add to that the comment on Young's website "astrology is first and foremost, a science". He soon removed this and pretended he had never written it. Both he and Chadbourne practise natal astrology. Both said it was science and both also said it was not.
what is the significance of Time of Birth in Astrology? Why do Astrologers give so much importance to Time of Birth?
Does it mean that the energy from all these planets will suddenly hit the new born and define his destiny?
Why would the Astrologers not consider the time of conception? Is the mothers 1CM of skin and tissue protecting the fetus? If so, How can these planets magical energy penetrate the hospital wall which could be 2FEET thick when it cannot penetrate 1CM thick Mothers skin?
I've never understood that, either. Early/induced labors, CT sections, etc., none of these things throw off the astrological predictions? What's so special about the moment of birth? The baby isn't physiologically any different immediately after as immediately before. So what is it?
You obviously don't know about astrological psi waves. They originate in the core of planets and travel through space and are aimed at new born babies all around the earth.
I studied this for years under the great master Chadow723 and all was revealed. And when I asked how this was possible he said:
"it is science, not it's not, yes it is, no it's not"...for hours and hours...till he disappeared up his own black hole.
So, I guess the challenge never took place....
PlutoPowered 1 month ago
@PlutoPowered Nope.
shanedk 1 month ago
You sure have spent a lot of time and effort to establish that you are one of the biggest morons on Youtube! Hey what kind of snakes are in season at your church there in Lincolnton you twit!
Ghenghy 2 months ago
To get the latest figures you have to go by the same list of factors (not just medical mistakes beccause that is like saying all asian countries only sell x amount of cars because of what Kia sold last year, you have to add it ALL up not just some of it show WHO can convey a certain stance.) and add up the latest figures for 2009. When you add it up the same way you get 760k for today's figures.
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear The point is, you're NOT adding up the other side of the equation: number who die of heart attacks, cancer, automobile accidents, etc. You're adding the figures on one side but not the other; that's DISHONEST.
shanedk 1 year ago
I am asking you to add up all the american made cars and compare them to japanese cars here. That was presumptiive. Here is the article: The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear You still need to cite author, title, and page number(s).
shanedk 1 year ago
Jama is not the Internet. Read the AMA's own journal. If you want to trust WHO after what they just hid from the public regarding Baxter, go right ahead. Add the numbers up manually. Do the math. There you will find the truth. Or do I get warnings because you are stuck in one perspective as "truth" and cannot here an opposing opinion. I am referring you to a leading medical journal yet you want to boot me for lies? WHO is not adding up everything pertinent only 1 factor. That'd not valid
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear JAMA is a medical journal. Just saying JAMA is NOT citing a source. You need to cite the article, with title, issue, and page numbers. You have not.
And you don't just "add up numbers," because that's LYING. It would be like me adding up all of the GM and Ford cars, comparing the number to Kia, and using it to say that the US made more cars than Asia.
shanedk 1 year ago
It is just as bogus to call something bogus without proper research as vice versa by the way. This is my point. And it's not cardiovascular disease. You didn't even do your own inquiry before you said I lied. Again, ad up all deaths from people getting correct treatment and who dies from the treatment, malpractice deaths, hospital infections, pharmacy errors, etc. If you do the math yourself and not rely on an industry $the number exceeds cardiovascular deaths. Do the math. Read jama
nyclear 1 year ago
@shanedk. Look it up in regards to leading cause of death. JAMA Jan 2000 I believe. Or look it up on the web. All u have to do is add up medical mistakes, iatrogenic deaths, malpractice deaths, negligence deaths etc. This is a known fact among medical resesrchers who but is spoken of little since medicine is a huge industry. This is the bond faith in Modern science I am talking about. Did u see the latest research that definatively coorelates autism and vaccines? Of course not.
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear I *DID* look it up: from the WHO, not some random page on the internet. The deaths you're talking about number about 50-60,000 per year. Cardiovascular disease claims MANY TIMES that amount.
SECOND warning.
shanedk 1 year ago
@Siriusmined my point is, we know crap about crap. But if you say they are charlatans I think it's only fair you had a direct experience to back that up rather than making sweeping statements about something you haven't experienced. Maybe you are comfortable with that. I remain open until I saw, touched, heard it for myself. Especially since there is no research worth noting to go by. What are you going by, anyway? YouTube videos? What other inexperienced people say? One bad experience with a
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear "Direct experience" is also known as "anecdote," which is worthless for scientific inquiry.
shanedk 1 year ago
@Siriusmined one could argue that all medical doctors are charlatans too since the leading cause of death in the USA is prescription drugs and surgeries. If you use the same statistical analysis that the journal of American medical association used to say these are 3rd leading cause in 2000, the stats now say #1. Things are not always as they seem
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear No, the leading cause of death in the US is cardiovascular disease. These sort of lies are NOT allowed on this channel. First warning.
shanedk 1 year ago
@Siriusmined. I think everyone has a right to an opinion. I know a few really great people who would never tell a lie who are also astrologers. I have never referred anyone to them who didn't report having a profound, insightful and accurate experience. Which includes follks with Doctorates in various science field. ( I have one). We know very little as a species so to be adamant about not believing something is a slippery slope be well.
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear But everyone DOESN'T have a right to their own facts.
shanedk 1 year ago
@imnazhole i dont even remember my comment. It was a few years ago, yes? Be well and thanks for the visit.
nyclear 1 year ago
What's funny is how they make claims that it works, but are NEVER willing to demonstrate to someone that isn't already a believer (with confirmation biases already in place)
SiriusMined 1 year ago
@SiriusMined I think expert astrologers just don't want to bother proving something to anybody at this point. Respect them or not, you pay them for their time like any other profession. Could you imagine telling a respected accountant that I don't believe you are any good so give me some free accounting? Life is short. Believe or don't believe. My take is you have to experience something solidly a few times before having a valid opinion. But that's just me.
nyclear 1 year ago
@nyclear
"you pay them for their time like any other profession"
I don't. They are CHARLATANS. People pay them because they have been DUPED.
"Could you imagine telling a respected accountant that I don't believe you are any good so give me some free accounting?"
No, they just wouldn't go to him at all.
"My take is you have to experience something solidly a few times before having a valid opinion"
There are plenty examples of charlatan "pyschics".
SiriusMined 1 year ago
I think you should lay off.
You say that he should be able to prove that he can perform what he claims to be able to perform.
So what is he claiming? I just watched the video that this is a response too, and it seems to me that all he is claiming is that Astrology is a venerable discipline of understanding complex parts of life through symbolic thought.
I think what he is trying to communicate to you is that Astrology cannot create rigorous proven results because it is not intended to.
monkeymule 2 years ago
The whole debate sort of reminds me of what happened to childbirth around the turn of the century.
Industrialization and sanitation brought a surgical perspective to childbirth, and this cold clinical perspective did alot of good, and childbirth mortality went down.
However, there were many issues that delivering mothers experienced were outside the strictly medical experience of their doctors. The housewives of old and their traditional methods had been thrown out.. cont
monkeymule 2 years ago
... so mothers who experienced problems that their doctors did not understand suffered greatly during this period.
Now, children are delivered in a synthesis of both the new and old ways, with serious attention given to both the scientific medical side of things, but also to things that would have been considered bogus and non-medical like breathing techniques, emotional support, and nesting.
monkeymule 2 years ago
*whoops meant to say midwife instead of housewife on that other post*
Just because the physical claims and explanations of the matrons and midwives were "bogus" and non-factual (midwivey) does NOT mean that the wisdom derived through hundreds of years practice is worthless.
No need to pick on the astrologers that are just trying to help people make some shred of sense out of all this craziness.
Pick on the ones that apply astrology to questions that can be actually solved by other means.
monkeymule 2 years ago
@monkeymule Wise words. Also interesting that our infant mortality rate in this country is not so hot. There are some 3rd world countries that beat us. Plus, science is in it's infancy stage even in 2010. We still mostly deliver babies in hospitals with women on their back when that was started by a sadistic King hundreds of years ago. He wanted to see his wife in pain since the pelvic floor contracts on your back. Yet 'modern' medicine still uses that practice for the most part? 'science'
nyclear 1 year ago
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garciaalvin3 2 years ago
Google JACK KEERAN Astrologer
Post#11: And by the way, 10 "hits" out of 12 attempts would suffice.
Post#5
Regarding "setting the bar high" for what the JREF would consider a successful demonstration of your claim, well, yes, we do set the bar high, but not inappropriately so (in our opinion), considering the Million Dollar Prize we offer in return.
Exactly 1 chance on 7.149.277 x 7.149.277 = 51.112.161.622.729
That is a little to much for me, sorry!
tolomeo1231 3 years ago
had to watch this beast again. I miss the old times with young and chadbourne.
BeforeTheNoose 3 years ago
By the way, what kind of scientist are you? Just curious.
nyclear 3 years ago
I'm not a scientist, just a skeptic.
shanedk 3 years ago
@nyclear He is a MKIA Scientist (Mr. Know It All). Remember his name is shanedk:
Shane Don't Know XD !
imnazhole 1 year ago
I am curious how much personal investigation you did to come up with your conclusions. Have you had your chart read and perhaps had a few other friends' charts read? What data brought you to this conclusion? Also, any astrologer who claims to predict the future or outcomes etc isnt really practicing astrology. The knowledge is said to be a probablity wave that can land in a number of possible locations within a framework.Good luck with all of this! I hope you come to some clarity either way
nyclear 3 years ago
To really do this right, you would want the astrologer to analyze the 10 people's charts and then have a PHyD who is known for analyzing personalties very well do the same. Then you have a valid test. Or coorelate Meyers brigg with people's natal charts.
nyclear 3 years ago
This is a great test you propose. To make it even better I would propose that you find 10 people who clearly know who they are. Because alot of us might think we know who we are personality wise, but dont always. I bet if you took 10 people and gave them Meyers Brigg or another personality test, you might not always get 6 or more people choosing their own results. I bet most wives could pick their husbands out of the pile but most men couldn't. Especially those with analytical minds. Achem.
nyclear 3 years ago
We're actually doing the test with another astrologer. It's been modified quite a bit; the astrologer is coming up with a personality form to give the ten participants. He will be given the results and the participants' birth data separately and will have to match them together. If he gets 6 or more, he succeeds and we recommend him for Randi's million dollar challenge.
shanedk 3 years ago
this is a little better but i would rather see meyer's briggs used or something more valid than asking people about their own personality. Asking subjects about themselves destroys the study. Also, you should use controls if you are going to make all this effort. And I would want to see you use more than 1 astrologer. And they should be someone is respected in the astrologic community. You picking the astrologer is like a blind person picking house paint colors. You must know you this.
nyclear 3 years ago
Well, any time you do a test you need to be able to do it the way the subject claims to be able to do it.
There's no way he could deduce the birth data from the answers, and so it is therefore a valid test. As long as we can make sure he doesn't cheat, successful results (6 or more) would be a positive result for astrology.
shanedk 3 years ago
This is not what J.Randi is asking for give his prize. He wants that an astrologer much at least 10 on 12 horoscopes, in two tests. The chances of doing that are 1 against 50 thousand billions.
(50.000.000.000.000)
Maybe astrology is not a science, but also what Randi does is not science, it is a fraud.
tolomeo1231 3 years ago
"Just do exactly what you claim to be able to do."
Ladies and gentlemen it doesn't get much clearer than that.
Thus there should be no hesitation on the part of these people to meet the challenge if they really can predict personality using date, time and place of birth.
[Maybe they'll have a great answer for why I'm such a cranky asocial Libra who can be rude and confrontational at times...]
frostfoxen 3 years ago
this is great
cheers !
lofi1 3 years ago
blessings to all
hiccupofirony 3 years ago
Hi shanek. Really like your stuff. You re a top bullshit buster. just wondered what your views are on the 911 rumours and the JFK assassination
GJR1975 4 years ago
When you have two opposing forces, using the same method isn't going to work for both. It's important to have a "neutral" method of testing, if there's going to be any testing at all. Randi's "challenge" isn't fair. You want us to play by your rules but you are not willing to play by ours: How are we ever to get along?
abellaarthur 4 years ago
Randi's challenge IS neutral. The CLAIMANT develops the test to be used and the conditions it should be under. Randi isn't even THERE when the testing is done.
You'd know all that if you actually READ the challenge rules.
shanedk 4 years ago
See none of that makes any logical sense whatsoever. For the sake of argument, if the planets do have an effect it should be right when the fetus develops. Of course, we know that's not true at all. That experiment done by randi and the fact the sun is off one full sign contradicts the so called science of astrology further.
clarkster28 4 years ago
blaw blaw blaw. I believe in Astrology, so up yours.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
ok ok , beleive if you may. I won't destroy your right to have a belief. I guess we just have different beliefs that's all.
clarkster28 4 years ago
Thank you.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
"blaw blaw blaw. I believe in Astrology, so up yours."
Your strongest argument to date. It's great to watch you grow.
punnet2 4 years ago
To Shane- Your videos are good. It has great merit. One more thing to people that are pro-astrology. If planets really did have an effect on someone's personality and how'd they be in life why is there date of birth valid. Why can't it be when the fetus develops before it is grown.
clarkster28 4 years ago
Exactly--what's so special about the birth process? What about premature babies, or babies born through C-section? What if one day we have a baby developed completely ex-utero who is therefore never born at all? How would you read his chart?
shanedk 4 years ago
Chadow is a moron and he misrepresents astrology. I don't blame you for being skeptical about the subject, but I suggest suspending disbelief and practicing it for a good 3 months. It is divinatory and interpretive, and works through perception much like a language does. If you immersed yourself in it and approached it in an unbiased manner, you would be more credible as a judge of it.
GlaringOyster 4 years ago
It has nothing to do with how credible I am.
If it works, then explain the Time Twins Study.
shanedk 4 years ago
That is not its purpose. Identical birth charts don't make identical people. Where in your "rational" brain did you get the idea that astrologers think there is no individuality in people born at the same time? Thats ridiculous. If you want to doubt astrology, attack it from at least a semi-educated angle. Stop arguing with YouTube morons like Chadow.
GlaringOyster 4 years ago
"Identical birth charts don't make identical people."
No one said anything about identical. But there should be SOME things that are more similar about them than people born months apart.
If you're incapable of grasping that, then YOU'RE the one that's not even semi-educated. On the other hand, if you do, then you just set up a false dichotomy, which is most dishonest of you.
shanedk 4 years ago
You aren't able to perceive reality through the eyes of the test subjects. Nor am I. Subjective experience is not replicable. No experiment can make you understand what life through their eyes is like. That in itself proves this twin thing fallacious. It is blatant misinterpretation of astrology's nature and goals.
GlaringOyster 4 years ago
Geoffrey Dean WAS an astrologer!!!
It's just another pathetic excuse to avoid the facts. They weren't "test subjects." They were people whose lives were followed over a period of 40 years.
shanedk 4 years ago
Subjective experience... learn what that means, and then consider your argument. Its very rational, so you should be able to understand it. Maybe you'll even begin to see why monitoring someone's life is not the same as living it personally. This is as absurd as someone never learning about chemistry while simultaneously attacking the periodic table.
GlaringOyster 4 years ago
40 years of studying the same old people? Wow, thats sounds like bull shit to me. If Astrology was bull shit, why havent Penn and Teller make a show about how bull shit it was? Hmmm?
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
AstroMen, just because Penn and Teller or anyone versed in debunking myths hasn't covered another subject that may/may not be a myth, it doesn't make that subject true. I mean, what are you trying to imply here? That's faulty logic dude.
clarkster28 4 years ago
Also some people are successfully at finding themselves while others are not. Most (not read to be all) skeptics have earth and air sun signs -- especially air. :)
abellaarthur 4 years ago
Most (not read to be all - but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised) claimed paranormalists hide behind circular arguments like this one.
punnet2 4 years ago
I meat someone with the same birthdate and time as I, we are so much alike yet different. I study Astrology and he studies Astronomy. Im gay and he's bi-sexual. I never knew my father and his dad is very distent emotionally. We live the same lives but tell a different tale.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Indeed AstroMen. Nurture has a place as much as nature does. And that's such a wonderful example of how two people born on the exact same day, month, year, time, and location could have differences. Having said that, few are born wit the exact same day, month, year, time, and location. :)
abellaarthur 4 years ago
"Identical birth charts don't make identical people."
Finally, you admit it
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
How the fuck is chadow723 a con man when he gives advice freely on YouTube?
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Because he's lying.
shanedk 4 years ago
Says who? you? He did my natal chart he was right on. Baby, it takes one to know one and if you call someone bogus, that only meens that you are the one who is bogus. Plus, there are alot of flaws in that stupid Randi challenge.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
"Plus, there are alot of flaws in that stupid Randi challenge."
Like?
shanedk 4 years ago
First; People have a tendency to relate to positive personality traits like music, movies, novels, and even astrology. The Randi Challenge use cold readings to purposely debunk astrology. Allowing no posible way of proving itself.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
No, the Randi challenge does not "use" cold reading or anything else. It ONLY uses what the person being tested claims is needed. Scientific controls are put in place, but that's hardly the same thing.
shanedk 4 years ago
One of these women who works for Randi even said that he purposely use tests where Astrology can be debunked. Randi cheats so that he can be proven right. He wants astrology to fail, so he use tests that would prove astrology false.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Either she's lying or you are. The ONLY test they use is the one the claimant comes up with. They work with the claimant to develop a protocol, and both must agree to it before the test can go forward.
shanedk 4 years ago
But they didn't do that way. Look, if Astrology is bullshit then why haven't Penn and Teller made a episode debunking it? They said they were in their 4th season, but didn't. And why do governments and leaders use astrology if it wasn't true?
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
EVERY Randi test is done that way.
P&T have a LOT of subjects they haven't covered yet. It doesn't make them true.
And governments do a LOT of bogus things. If this is the best you can do, you truly are pathetic.
shanedk 4 years ago
Youre pathetic. Get a life and leave us astrologers alone.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Is someone getting a little angry? Are you losing clients who are finally beginning to see you for the cheap trick you are?
punnet2 4 years ago
No, you guys are a waste of my time. And what clients? I never charge people with Astrology. I use Astrology personally and with those who are close to me like family, friends and co-workers. And they are all believers.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Your family and friends believe you? Then it MUST be true!
punnet2 4 years ago
Finaly!! You got the point.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
I think most of us skeptics wouldn't care as soon as all Astrologists stop bilking people out of hard earned money OR by falsely claiming their readings are true and accurate. We all see what we want to see.. whether it's in astrology or the patterns appearing on my french toast at breakfast. But it's not "real".
DZiemke 4 years ago 5
Second, All astrologers agree that Astrology works, however, we can't agree with the "why" or "how". Astrology is far more complex then just the zodiac signs. I personally prefer to focus on planetary influences.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
The Randi Challenge has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with how or why it works. If it does, you can win the Randi Challenge. The hows and whys will be left for the scientists to work out after you win the challenge and the subsequent Nobel Prize.
shanedk 4 years ago
I don't care about the Randi Challenge. And I'm sure alot of "con artists" of astrology don't care either.(note, I put quotations to quote you of your accusation against us astrologers.)
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
No, why should you worry about winning $1 million, proving that astrology works, advancing the knowledge of all mankind, and having your name go down in history when you can continue to fleece gullible people by giving them generic advice that can apply to anyone?
shanedk 4 years ago
If I was to "win" $1 million dollers, I would use it to the research of Astrology. Advancing it and allowing others to learn about it. You can't fight Astrology. Its as old as the day man looked into the heavens.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
"If I was to 'win' $1 million dollers, I would use it to the research of Astrology. "
Then take the challenge and win the money already.
punnet2 4 years ago
"You can't fight Astrology. Its as old as the day man looked into the heavens."
So is the flat-earth theory.
And of course we can't fight astrology -- not when you go running scared whenever someone suggests a scientific test.
punnet2 4 years ago
"All astrologers agree that Astrology works..." -- shocking revelation.
"however, we can't agree with the 'why' or 'how'"
Fine. Submit it to scientific investigation, and let the field develop. Scientists in many fields disagree with one another, but there remains an objective method for arriving at the truth.
punnet2 4 years ago
And Third; people as well as animals and places have a combination of signs, planets, and houses.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
And that means, what? Aren't astrologers supposed to be able to get meaningful data from these combinations?
shanedk 4 years ago
yes
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
So, then, that isn't a problem after all.
Same old, same old: lies and excuses, and NO legitimate reasons not to take the challenge. Pathetic.
shanedk 4 years ago
I bet you haven't even research astrology. You're just some kind of "bully" attacking something that you don't know. Why? Because you are proof that people fear what they don't know.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
More pathetic excuses. I'm EXCITED to learn things I don't know. I'm excited about dark energy, a force in the universe about which we know next to nothing.
I don't "fear" astrology. Astrology DOESN'T WORK.
And if you want to prove me wrong, why don't you start by explaining the time twins study?
shanedk 4 years ago
Please clarify to me why astrology doesn't work.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Just watch the video again, and note the time twins study. No matter what, astrologers MUST account for this.
shanedk 4 years ago
For one he contradicts himself big time. He says it's science one minute, then says it's not science another. That's typical of anyone trying to construct a loophole to get out of proven being wrong. No offense, I saw your other videos and you truly live a thousand delusions. Just see astrology for what it is ( an obsolete science made by babylonians 2000 years ago who were limitied to technology and their tribal culture).
clarkster28 4 years ago
I could say that you enjoy critizizing others like a Virgo because it gives you a sence of power over those you feel is inferior like a Leo and many Virgos and Leos will agree that they are like that. This is just a cold reading.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
No, they can't because people wants to relate with others. What would work is to make a chart for ten people without them knowing and observe thier personalities.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
They did that with 4,000 people. IT DIDN'T WORK.
shanedk 4 years ago
4000 people? You are so full of shit.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
That's the Time Twins Study. 4,000 people over 40 years, even when they compared people born within the same MINUTE, it DIDN'T WORK.
shanedk 4 years ago
I have often read for twins and they are often VERY different. I read the whole of the person uses different methods. There are subtle differences and in astrology one looks at location as well. There are fine points to consider. Also nurtue affects us as much as nature does. Each of us are individuals and full of complexity. We are defined by many people and things, including our parents and teachers. When we become teens and adults, we begin the process of "becoming ourselves" again.
abellaarthur 4 years ago
Man, youre the "bogos one" It takes one to know one. And who died and gave you the authority of what validates Science. Astrology is real and yeah it is a facinating science.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Fine: provide scientific evidence for it.
shanedk 4 years ago
I have, check out my vedio concerning astrology.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
"They successfully scammed people" is NOT scientific evidence. You can do the same for any given Ponzi scheme.
How about an actual SCIENTIFIC source, published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal?
Do you even know what the word "scientific" MEANS?
shanedk 4 years ago
Yes Mr. Dumbass. Not all astrology charge for there natal reading. Besides, Astrology has been proven. Jerks like you denie to publish it in Scientific Journals. You really don't know what you are talking about.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Oh, it's been DENIED publishing in scientific journals!
I'm sure you can produce the rejection letters, then, with full results of the peer review.
shanedk 4 years ago
ok the shuffling up expirement with the readings is bogus.. not everyone has very good analytical skills another words they are not aware of themselves or others! much like yourself.. you wouldnt understand your reading from someone elses, because apparently you know nothing of your true self..
SHANE you can do the expirement yourself!! go out and meet people..
markdb666 4 years ago
It's the ONLY way to control for the Barnum Effect. If astrology doesn't work that way, then there's no reason to conclude that it's anything but the Barnum Effect in action.
shanedk 4 years ago
no you can study astrology and use it on yourself and situations with others.. when were you born? and ill tell you about you
markdb666 4 years ago
How about, instead, explaining the time twins study?
shanedk 4 years ago
Randi showed in an experiment how easily people buy into vague nonsense: an entire classroom of people thought the exact same reading applied to each of them.
It is such gullibility that keeps the asstrologers in business.
punnet2 4 years ago
Well, Astrology will survive dispite of what you assholes may say about it. Long live Astrology. Astrology is FACT you mother fuckers! Kiss my ass LOL LOL LOL
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Sure. It will survive as a sideshow at the county fair, next to the musical pony ride.
"Astrology is FACT you mother fuckers! Kiss my ass LOL LOL LOL"
So that's your proof? Good. Good job.
punnet2 4 years ago
Thank You
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
You have no idea. Many cultures, governments, and socially important people consult astrologers, psychics, etc.. Just because you are not interested punnet2 doesn't mean no one else is. These arguments are often mute. Go take a class, learn, and then come and discuss. :)
abellaarthur 4 years ago
"cultures, governments, and socially important people consult astrologers, psychics, etc.."
Therefore it's true? People in high places go for all sorts of stupidity.
Go take an astronomy class, learn something useful, then come back and admit you were wrong.
punnet2 4 years ago
lol sadly they never admit they are wrong. Man, are they ever stubborn. It's like their whole life depends on this.
clarkster28 4 years ago 3
Shanedk. Your an idiot. If you dont know anything about astrology then why do you claim that you can be bunk it. Get qualified then you can argue..
spartacus6839 4 years ago
I do know a lot about it, including why it CAN'T WORK. And I showed why clearly in the video.
shanedk 4 years ago
How you know if someone is a clueless wanker?
- they spell "you're" as "your"
- they think astrology has to proven bullshit, when it is up to the astrological loons to prove it works.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Science is baced on observations, hypotheses, and experimentations. Coming to the conclusion of a theory or modal. That is what Astrology is doing. Therefore, Astrology is a Science. It is also an Art. Personally, Astrology is also a religion, but that is beside the point.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
If that's what astrology is doing, then where are the published peer-reviewed astrology papers?
shanedk 4 years ago
Speaking from one skeptic to another, the One Million Dollar Challenge isn't peer-reviewed either, as Ray Hyman, fellow skeptic pointed out, but it is viewed as scientific. I agree that astrology is unscientific, but I think we ought to be careful about HOW we debunk astrology lest we get accused of applying double standards in our arguments.
aikiboy1111111 4 years ago
If someone were to actually win the Million Dollar Challenge, do you really think a peer-reviewed scientific paper wouldn't be too far behind?
I mean, for crying out loud, even the homeopaths have things peer-reviewed!
shanedk 4 years ago
I love that you dont block people from commenting on you vids like chadow does.What a coward.
ogami72 4 years ago
Thanks...but tell that to the creationists. Some of them are INSISTING that I deleted posts of theirs that absolutely positively prove that evolution is wrong and creationists are correct and I deleted them because I didn't have an answer for them.
It's like you can't win.
shanedk 4 years ago
Who wants to take a test when they themselves know that they are decieving people?
Astrologers are smart. They dont want to get owned by the skeptics and scientists. So they pretend that they are not challenged ot just ignore the challenges.
Astrologers are like leaches and vultures who pray on the weak minded people.
MightyOwnage 4 years ago
Thats not true. If you want me to prove you that astrology is true then fine, but don't expect us to give you a free natal chart reading just to prove it. I have proof that Astrology have proven itself throughout history.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
"If you want me to prove you that astrology is true then fine, but don't expect us to give you a free natal chart reading just to prove it."
Free? Prove it and you get $1,000,000! Surely that's more than your going rate...
"I have proof that Astrology have proven itself throughout history."
That's great. Quit pissing around and just bring out your proof.
punnet2 4 years ago
I have some vedios that talk about Astrology. Care to view them?
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Watched one. Yawned.
Care to apply for the Randi Prize?
punnet2 4 years ago
There is another way to test this, have one person that the astrologers can do a reading on then take 5 to 10 or more astrologers on the same day but make sure they don't know that it's a test, have them come in at different times so they cannot communicate with each other, have them do a reading on the one person. see if all their readings are the same for the person they are doing on the reading.
Sadochrist 4 years ago
Not bad, but it's probably easier to get 10 willing readers than 10 willing astrologers. We can't even find ONE willing astrologer!
shanedk 4 years ago
Im a willing Astrologer
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Of course you would have to rule out bigoted astrologers. There are some who hates a sign and therefore have alot of negative response towards that sign.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
If Astrology and Quantum Physics are related, then the person who could prove it will win Nobel Prize.
Quantum physics deals with the smallest particles and Astrology talks about huge planets controlling our lives.
Take a real science book on Astronomy and you will understand that Astrology is bogus.
JetBaller 4 years ago
ive recognized from personal experience that people who have little patience and poor analytical skills dont give a damn about astrology..and thats an interesting observation itself. Theres almost an unlimited amount of information on the WEB just for you! look up some stuff shanekd..if you have relationships..compare information. For the record..since quantum theory has arrived, astrology is now considered a science...you need to be a quantum physicist to understand these cycles of time.
markdb666 4 years ago
Please explain what POSSIBLE connection there could be between quantum physics and astrology. Astrology deals with the position of very large objects (planets, moons, and stars) in the sky, and quantum mechanics ONLY deals with elementary particles, which are the tiniest things there are.
shanedk 4 years ago
There is really no difference between the metaphysics and the quantum physics. Both talks about things that are within and beyond the physical mundane world.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Absolutely WRONG. QM is ABSOLUTELY about the physical world, and it isn't about anything else AT ALL.
I'll have more to say about that in Episode 6.
shanedk 4 years ago
Quantum Physics and Astrology are related??
Woow!!! Astrology is not a science. If it were, there would have been journals published just like any existing science.
Make sure you know what you are talking before you get owned by skeptics.
JetBaller 4 years ago
There have been journals publish that proves Astrology as a Science. It's just that they were destroyed by tyrants such as Adoph Hitler, The PSICOPS, Bigoted Scientists, and the Monotheistic Authorities.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
They destroyed ALL the journals? Really???
Gotta love it...an astrology nut AND a conspiracy nut all in one package!
shanedk 4 years ago
You better believe it baby.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
LOL You have got to be joking!!! If astrology is a science, then it's methods could be proven, but they haven't, so it's not.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Oh so little do you know. Astrology like Alchemy are the oldest of Science. If it weren't for Science, Astrology and Alchemy would have died. These great subjects were kept secret, vailed from religious bigotry.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
NOT true. Aristarchus had an astronomical treatise (which did not survive the destruction of Alexandria) which correctly put the sun at the center of our solar system and the stars very far away, centuries before Ptolemy messed it all up and laid the foundations for modern astrology.
These guys DESTROYED science.
shanedk 4 years ago
Astrology is still true.
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
Astrology is true bullshit. There are NO published studies that demonstrate that it lives up to its claims.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
HAha,so funny. The other funny thing as that all Randi's opposition back in the day cried about how if he's so sure about his ideas that he should put his money where his mouth is and as soon as he did they cried about how its a "cheap stunt" to offer a prize. Can't win,can we?
Aaron518 4 years ago
Astrology: what a load of wank.
Why do so many grown adults still believe this crap?
BibbleMcWibble 4 years ago
..poor education, peer pressure, poor education, genetic issues, poor education, inability to accept personal responsibility, inadequate education, religious upbringing, poor education. You know, all the usual reasons why people believe in nonsense.
Oh, and I almost forgot, a poor education.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Not necessarily a poor education... just the lack of ability/desire to think things through... of course poor education directly leads to the "lack of ability" case... but just pointing out that it's possible to be educated and still believe in nonsense.
But yeah, for the majority of cases you're right.
Tchebu 4 years ago
Because its TRUE? Duh
AstroMen2911 4 years ago
If it's true, explain the time twins study.
shanedk 4 years ago
psi waves, telepathy, psychic powers...........
Nice. Just cook up some other wave next time. You people never cease to amaze me.
zzytrewq is none but our favourite Zentrifugal. Hahahaa.
JetBaller 4 years ago
Jetballer: I take it as an insult that you think I'm Zentifugal. Reread my post on psi waves.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
First it is Gravitaitonal. Next it is Electro-magnetic. Next it is divine forces. Now it is Psi waves.
SO whats next? Keep them coming idiots. lol!!!
ve666999 4 years ago
If you want to see the COMMENT sections of the videos of James Young go to my profile and my Astrology and Science video, then read the description. All links are there. Read only, unfortunately.
We won't be silenced! :)
lovasip 4 years ago
I have been learning astrology for more than 10 years and YES I keep an open mind and it's true,many unanswered questions.I was blocked from posting and I never insulted anybody,just plane questions and facts. I ran into astrology-and-science dot com.Very interesting.
chabi69 4 years ago
Astrology is crap.
MavsRulz 4 years ago
Chadow723(8 months before) - The most fascinating science to ever dawn this planet is Astrology.
Chadow723(now) - Astrology is not a science. It has nothing to do with science.
Muahahahaahahahaaaaaaaaa.
MightyOwnage 4 years ago
Add to that the comment on Young's website "astrology is first and foremost, a science". He soon removed this and pretended he had never written it. Both he and Chadbourne practise natal astrology. Both said it was science and both also said it was not.
UncleFeedle 4 years ago
I dont see those Clowns Chablow and Young anymore posting on Shane's videos.
Looks like they are trying to cook up something real fast to have an answer for our basic questions.
MindBully9 4 years ago
Actually, I suspect we might be visited by sockpuppets, but as I don't like to make claims I can't back up with evidence I won't speculate further.
shanedk 4 years ago
I owned an Indian Astroly hugger by the name Kapilraj2 yesterday.
He was claiming that Indian Astrology has something to do with Quantum Mechanics/Blackholes/Neutron Stars etc etc.
I just asked him a couple of basic questions and he simply ran away. Now he is no where to be seen.
I owned him pretty bad alright.
MindBully9 4 years ago
what is the significance of Time of Birth in Astrology? Why do Astrologers give so much importance to Time of Birth?
Does it mean that the energy from all these planets will suddenly hit the new born and define his destiny?
Why would the Astrologers not consider the time of conception? Is the mothers 1CM of skin and tissue protecting the fetus? If so, How can these planets magical energy penetrate the hospital wall which could be 2FEET thick when it cannot penetrate 1CM thick Mothers skin?
MightyOwnage 4 years ago
I've never understood that, either. Early/induced labors, CT sections, etc., none of these things throw off the astrological predictions? What's so special about the moment of birth? The baby isn't physiologically any different immediately after as immediately before. So what is it?
shanedk 4 years ago
You obviously don't know about astrological psi waves. They originate in the core of planets and travel through space and are aimed at new born babies all around the earth.
I studied this for years under the great master Chadow723 and all was revealed. And when I asked how this was possible he said:
"it is science, not it's not, yes it is, no it's not"...for hours and hours...till he disappeared up his own black hole.
zzytrewq 4 years ago