The Scientific And Rationalist Case For Life After Death - 3

[joshipoo16]

he makes me feel so much better, my mother passed yesterday the 21st of january 2011, of breast cancer, i hope, i really hope, this is life after death

[rovingdesertfox]

@joshipoo16 If you would like further information check out AJ Miller on YouTube. He has extensive information and details on the spirit world.

[WizzardOfGlue]

i think its safe that we really don't know what happens when we die. maybe only certain people. i mean think about it. knowing what happens when we die. you know how many people will kill them selves? yeah probably all of us, just to get away from all this

[Nesh108]

@WizzardOfGlue Why? I mean, knowing that there is nothing at all, people wont suicide themselves and try to live longer. But people might also try to get the best from this, this is the dark side. But the opposite could be that, knowing you reincarnate, you would care more about the others and the whole World, no religion, no exploitation or less.

[BubbaPhicheman]

This would be a lot more convincing with video of a dead person materializing as he claims is possible.

[slicingwater]

Jeeze this guy and the comments about him are just as judgemental as those cop shows.

[mayeballs]

The Law of Conservation of Matter .. matter cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transfered from one form to another...

[deadtoo]

Try Elvis!

[randyraw4291]

this dude is a phony..firsthe says the little boy that died of cancer was 9 but died 20 yeaqrs ago but then at 2:05 HE SAYS 9 YEARS.smh

[Hopeful71]

So here we see how the money is starting to creep into this guy's scam. Fine, you found the idiot born last minute. But to try and tie anything you do, say, or think to Paine is beyond offensive. He stood against exactly what this guy is trying to do.

[DealerDirekt]

thats what i thought, i didnt need a scientist to tell me that, though it is reassuring in the face of all this crazy shit on the net these days

[guyfolks25]

im non religious but know theres life after death as i experianced it. if you study religions you will soon see that religion=war but most people arnt going to belive this untill they too die

[jmann114]

@guyfolks25

People = War

[x3joanne]

i believe it. i thought it was absolute absurd but now i believe it. why not? belief costs noting. if there is no afterlife or anything, atleast we wont be disapointed .. cause we wont know. have a little more faith and stop being so cynical

[vsolokha]

you are deeply lost my friend, you can't do good to get into heaven; one has to believe in Jesus as dying and resurrecting from the dead, and Jesus is the Son of God.

[miph07]

stfu

[TVC17]

friend tell me where did God come from? thank you good bye......

[vsolokha]

God always was, is, and will be forever and ever. Do you know that God's heart is man-loving, that means when He sees a man His heart melts like wax because He loves man so much. Did you know, sometimes God is invisible to man because when a person hates Him he doesn't have to stop hating the person. He still gives people things they want, like riches and technology. These are just 2 vague reasons of why God is so good. The whole Bible is written about Him and our relationship with Him.

[TVC17]

I'm not here to disrepect your belief.O.K God always was then he has known the past and future.Now with that being said since God knows the future then why did he make human beings in whom he knew 10 million years before being made that billions of them would not worship him and send them off to a forever burning hell because of there 80 years plus existence of sin? Now if God knows the future then he knew they wouldn't change...a loving God indeed....

[k0smon]

TVC17: Have a good read of "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman. The bible has quite a few things wrong with it, and your reference that God sends people to a burning hell is wrong. Karma works, every one reaps what he sows.

[slicingwater]

Even light didn't exist until 380,000 years after the Big Bang.

[AllahConsciousness]

God, awareness, and changing are the only constants in the universe....Nothing else stands the test of eternity.

[oscarin124]

There is survival after death, let me explain, you konw when we die, we discompose when we are buried, in that process we turn into thousands or maybe millions of pieces and thats what survives of us, the human body is 70% water, thats one of things that survive, when we drink water, we are drinking someone else whos been dead for a while. so when somebody is born, there are parts of other poeple could be thousands of poeple mixed togeter, it crazy right? don't belive me. but think about that.

[RationalTheism]

That's true if you believe in singularity. When you break down the atoms that make up the universe, they all come down to the same substance.

This is what the religions call the 'unifying force' that exists in all of us... and what connects us to God.

[miph07]

Maybe not "God" But the source. Whatever that may be.

[4x4Man000]

I made an uncalled for comment further down the page, and I retract that statement for the reason that it does not contribute. My apology for causing any anger.

[ipjmfreely]

where is logic in coming back to learn lesson when you cannot remember your previous earthly existense

[ARMOND83]

at least show some facts if there were so many incidents why isnt there a single video out! im trying to belive this but its foolish without evidence

[GoodFellah69]

(most)religious people believe in an afterlife

(most)non-religious people don't believe in an afterlife but they do believe there is something.

this is simply because its to scary and spooky to think that the consciousness will not outlast the body once your death.

[RationalTheism]

That is massively stereotypical, shut up.

[AnduinX]

There a good chunk of non-religious people who believe existence does not end after death. Generalize less.

[k0smon]

anduin; If you study the psychic literature, you will find that religion has nothing to do with getting into heaven. It all has to do with how we treat other people.

[eamonncake]

To Sabininho:

What does a football team ddo after winning the premiership or whatever?

They start again.

[bajovato]

I think that consciousness is like matter and energy: It can neither be created nor destroyed-it only changes form. Materialists can be just as short-sighted and dogmatic as religious fanatics!

[dirtydonki]

Instead of all the insubstantial waffle how about presenting some real and verifiable FACTS.

No I thought not.

All smoke and mirrors.

[k0smon]

dirtyd; Do you always talk to yourself? Check out a man who claims verifiable facts: victorzammit here on youtube, and his own website. Your smoke seems to blind you, and the mirror is pointed the wrong direction.

[AscendentInLeo]

But according to the Swedish writer Bengt Anderberg there Is no such thing as life after death?

[k0smon]

Did he say that after he died?

[tellnet]

How about NLE..

.. to explain the Death after Life experience..

[tellnet]

When did he escape ?

[katrinatecxidor]

great post

[Duck1987]

I feel that this man is ver very kind and very positive

[orlando098]

MR was talking about Findlay etc 10 years ago, but Findlay is hardly known at all by the general public. He's simply not accepted in the lineage of Socrates etc. But I once tracked down Findlay's Rock or Truth from a library and I agree it was quite a good skeptical work - criticising organised religion and biblical ertrors etc. It's not unique though exactly, espeically in the internet age.

[orlando098]

If it's true the next world is do great etc and our "etheric bodies"are so amazing why do we need to operate with "imperfect"physical bodies here, that are so fantastically complicated ? Why do we bother with physical lives at all?

[enverajanovic]

Because we are not in control.Everything happens for a reason.

[orlando098]

this kind of fatalistic (IMO) nonsense does us no good at all. IMO ours lives depend on a mixture of chance, other people's goodwill and our willpower. Relying on god or the universe to sort out your life doesn't help at all. This kind of opinion (all is for the best - depite a world full of unhappiness and tragedy)is what Voltaire made fun of in the 18th century.

[debalazo]

orlando, nothing personal, but truly, don't mind us, we won't miss you, ok? Just READ the books about it! It took the ancients centuries to learn the mysteries of life. Everything is handed to you on a silver platter, or YouTube... unless you are an atheist khazarian, then it just won't make a dent on your BRAIN.

[pantherz9103]

Hi again orlando098, personally I believe physical lives are a vehicle for the soul to experience a wide range of things in a short time and our spirits need that to develop. Its only natural you want proof and I can only pass on my own wisdom. It all depends on your burden of proof. You might ask yourself 'does this resonate with me?' if so then perhaps pursue more proof, I could recommend good resources but if not then that's your choice.

[orlando098]

what you say here is the most common of all what I would call "New Age" (also Spiritualist)type views, and is what I used to believe. I now think it's probably just what we'd like to believe. I've not made my mind up 100% though and if you'd like to pm any suggestions I will look and see if they seem new/interesting to me, thanks.

[orlando098]

it is appealing - because, in the context of an afterlife or multiple lives (not just one, because some pain and tragedy is too great to be compensated for in one life by greater wisdom/perspective gained)it appears to make sense of suffering. It's also hard to (dis)prove - of course we all usually learn something as we go through life's experiences. as to whether this is part of any greater plan, is impossible to say.

[pantherz9103]

Maybe google any of the following:

I'm reading Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch and '2012' by Daniel Pinchbeck. I guess I'm a bit of a 'New Ager'. I do like to believe the world is in a process of big change embarking on a new spiritual era.

I post on afterlife-knowledge dot com where hundreds of 'believers' and 'knowers' share their experiences and knowledge daily.

[orlando098]

thank you. I have read some of CWG in the past and might check it out again. I don;t mean the term "New Age"as pejorative - it's just, as I see it, a sort of umbrella term for a common modern kind of western spirituality, which you could either see as a pic'n'mix of old-style religions with the nasty bits taken out or (more positively) as inspiring and positive, depending on your viewpoint at the time..

[orlando098]

whether or not there is any strictly-speaking "spiritual" (i.e. involving a "spirit or soul) aspect, I also hope we are moving towards an increasingly spiritual "new age", in terms of greater understanding of each other, more openness and honesty, less convention for convention's sake and fewer barriers to happiness etc

[orlando098]

ps I will look at your site. thanks

[Sabininho]

eih orlando, i have a question, we go through lives, experiencing all good and all bad untill the soul is somehow complete, you know, then what ?we have a good opinion of ourselfs and feel that all is done ... ain't that the moment when we have no desire to exist anymore ?help me out on this man.Peace!

[orlando098]

Hi. Sorry I don't see your point. Are you saying you therefore believe there's an afdterlife or you don't?.

[orlando098]

Many new agers claim life is a learning experience, and we may even come back and reincarnate for more lessons and/or that there are numerous spiritual realms where we go on existing and learning and progressing "higher". Usually the end point is claimed to be "becoming one with God" in some way, or, perhaps just before this point, being an angelic type being who goes bacl to lower levels, or the earth, to help inspire people to be better in some way

[orlando098]

(the novel Jonathan Livingstone Seagull pretty much sums this philosophy up - it's a fun read,and quite inspiring, whether or not it's literally true

[Sabininho]

well, in case if it is i say, the soul is complete and has no more ideals to complete, what then ? cease of existence ?

[gabrielg01]

Wow, mental illness is such a fascinating phenomenon. Watch this guy! He is nuts.

[britfolkgod]

He doesn't strike me as mentally ill. He strikes me as very reasonable and he's backing up his stuff with many writings.

[debalazo]

gabrielo, what can i say?... well, i already did somewhere else... so you must be a fascinating phenomenon, even to yourself, eh?

[pantherz9103]

Yes and we should give credence to what you say because?????

[pantherz9103]

That comment was in response to gabrielg01 of course.

[4X4Man123]

Trust the Mainstream media, they are infallible!

[redstarrrrr]

I smell a liar. I've encountered people like these before. He's not revealing much of any evidence, he's just saying "Oh this happened," as if it dictates actual proof. Probably just lying so that people will buy his books and to get attention.

[debalazo]

redstuck, your diagnosis is that of the churchians and the atheists, although their intentions are different from yours. Theirs is evil, yours is product of ignorance. You learn by DOING, by LIVING THE EXPERIENCE, not by watching pictures and JUST reading. Do the experiments and find out. You will be rewarded, if you DESERVE it.

[mopo30]

There is a book known as the bible who warns about stuff like this as demonic Saul and the witch of Endor anyone!!!!!!!!

[debalazo]

mopo, you are wrong, the bible is right, just a matter of misinterpretation. The bible talks of the rituals or practices of the babylonian talmudists (mishna), the sorcerers, the satanists. The bible, both books, have at least 32 references combined about reincarnation that the roman church didn't delete because of their ignorance. And reincarnation (soul rebirth) has to do with the so called 'spirit' world. Jesus, the disciples and the prophets all spoke of reincarnation. The pharisees didn't.

[mopo30]

Now how then do you explain the passage in the bible who says that It is appointed to men to die once and then judgement.

And as a side note i do believe in extra dimensions as quantum physics can point you to such conclusions,But i believe that we humans have no business forking us self in there and mess with powers beyond our ken.

I believe these phenomenon to be delusions by the fallen ones of the bible and pseudepigraphical books ie necromancy forbidden in the mosaic law.

[pantherz9103]

The events and information in the bible and koran and other such texts may not be completely bogus but as debalzo said it is a matter of misinterpretation and I also say 'opportunism'. Heard about the council of Nicea 325 AD? Who was the Roman Emperor at the time? Constantine a bloodthirsty tyrant who murdered his family. Alot of people don't know about the affect he had on modern Christian beliefs.

[mopo30]

Yes i've heard and read about the council,And i understand that it was here that real christianity was al but killed and the birth of state religion or organized religion came by.Real christianity is believing in Christ and his name only for salvation and professing it openly.

[orlando098]

mm I have heard opf extra dimensions in modern physics, but I don;t claim to understand what they are, as I've not studied physics to anything like the required degree. I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as saying they are each a different world/reality in which the spirit world could be located. It's easy to claim back-up from complex physics if your average listener hasn;t studied it.

[mopo30]

I recommend you read books by Tom Bearden they are easy to understand even for regular fellows like me and you i especially recommend his book on gravito biology.

Although this touches the subject of the video above only briefly it does it with depth read it!!!!

[orlando098]

please quote one clear reference to reincarnation . I certainly don;t believe you will find 32 of them. Also I am pretty sure you will find no references to "Satanism", which is a much newer idea than the Bible.

[k0smon]

Mopo30: And Saul did contact whom he was seeking, and his end was fortold. The bible warns you against this activity because it doesn't want you to find out it is the 'word of error', and not the 'word of God.' Read "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman for a report on the accuracy of the Bible.

[lawlouis]

To fibonaccian,

You're fucking pathetic. Please go kill yourself.

Fucking rubbish in the world.

[Eonnn84]

Is youtube having problems or something? this one won't play?.. it happened with the first part as well, then i tried it the next day and it worked fine without me making any changes on my computer... i have tried refreshing a dozen times but it just sits on loading...

[debalazo]

Eonnn, x-cuse me, no problem. Maybe you don't have enough HD memory left? These video clips eat memory and we are downloading like never before since Google and YouTube, and now others, exploded the internet.

[ArmageddonRabbit]

Is it just me? Or does this guy never try to explain how these alleged experiments work? Or what they actually do to prove this?

He just tirades against everything either the scientific or the 'mainstream'community and makes strange anecdotes of the afterlife. Then just goes off topic with philosophy. Is this 'mainstream' preventing him from posting his or his associates tests on this site?

[debalazo]

armageddonpussy, this man is talking about and to ADULTS. Unplug your ears, he is showing you BOOKS you have to read, TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND what he is talking about. It cannot be YOUR AGE, i have seen amazing CHILDREN with evolved MINDS. Your BRAIN needs TRAINING, like a, b, c... get it? You can't jump from diapers to sports suit overnite.

[Lizhealth]

Just great! Have had plenty of personal experiences over 35 years to say there is much more to it than this. Yes, even to seeing materialisations at 3am of beings from other planets appear. Wow Terrifying at the time.

[fibonaccian]

Not only I don`t believe this Roll guy, I don`t even like his looks and his polo neck , he looks like a lonely desperate and evil old man.

[Lizhealth]

Welcome to the real world. By denigrating other people you are projecting your own shortcomings. You might like to try proving him wrong.

[debalazo]

fiboniacin, careful with YOUR projections. What we 'see' in other people that is NEGATIVE, it's usually YOUR OWN NEGATIVITY. Cleanse yourself INSIDE, and people other than yourself will be 'nicer' even to your eyes. Your puberty's mental-hormonal imbalance is making you hallucinate.

[bozz723]

Awesome

[highhorse313]

Interesting fellow. Thanks for posting!

[fibonaccian]

Mr Roll I hope you read this ,you sound and look like a degenare crook, seek help!

[misterchair]

fibonaccian, degenare ? Are you a non english speaker by any chance? You show you're lack of sophistication and education by your purile post, YOU'RE the one who needs to seek help, come back when you mature and don't be so rude in future. ressoT

[pantherz9103]

Just ignore him. You wouldn't take back your garbage if it started yapping away at you would you?