Open Source Food and Genetic Engineering - Michael Pollan

[iLOVENATURE2011]

truth is, i hate numbers....but sad to say, you have to undergo through them to get by college...=D

[lovelplants]

oh.. that's what genetic engineering do.. ah.. nice

[Gatodefelix]

We feel oppressed because we don't know how to do what the biotech companies can do. We must educate people on how to better farm. How to save seed, simple crop/plant science, basic Mendelian genetics etc... Food is the most important thing in our lives, yet few of us know about the food we eat. Knowledge is power. With our knowledge we can become open source with the world wide web.

[leosbeljimenez]

bueno

[givebirthathome]

I see some idiotic science worship below. We learn things from scientific studies, but they only determine tightly defined technical questions. Science is not what detemines many very important issues in our society, and it shouldn't be. What MutantNinjaFly says below about not taking what Pollan says seriously because he is not a scientist, is ridiculous and fascist. What Pollan is talking about @4:18 is a social fact, and an important one, it is not in the realm of questions that have to be

[givebirthathome]

@givebirthathome determined by controlled double blind studies. Being an uncritical science-groupie as many youtubers are, just makes you prey to any unscrupulous PR companies that like to spew lines like "there's absolutely no scientific evidence" and other talking points, no matter how inaccurately or irrelevantly. Sometimes there is evidence, although they deny it; at other times, the lack of scientific evidence does not prove the point they are trying to make.

[mastersausagemaker]

@givebirthathome

"[...] he is not a scientist, is ridiculous and fascist."

No, it is not fascist, it is technocratic. Based by your misapplication of the term fascism and failure to use the appropriate term from technocracy, I deduce you're American. You probably should know that there is a field called the social sciences. This is consistent with ninjas description.

Also, "givebirthathome", what does one do when a child is born choking with an umbilical chord around their neck at home?

[givebirthathome]

@mastersausagemaker Fool---you unloop the cord with your hand. Lewis Mehl-Madrona's study comparing two large groups of parents in both hospital and home settings, matched for other risk factors, showed home-births to be slightly safer.

Based on your obnoxious behavior, I deduce you are a troll---therefore, I leave the further remedy of your ignorance to you.

[mastersausagemaker]

@givebirthathome

No, I am not a troll

While it is true some cases all is needed is to unwrap the chord from around the neck, you didn't acknowledge the more extreme cases where immediate emergency treatment is needed. The truth is, birthing at home is idiotic and threatens the health of the mother and child. Tell me, do you have any statistics on the amounts of time it takes to get an emergency caesarean within a hospital as compared to someones home?

I was correct about your poor terminology

[MutantNinjaFly]

people piss and moan about genetic engineering, yet its essentially just fast-forward artificial selection. "oh its not natural" yeah well neither is the very idea of artificial selection, which is what agriculture is based on. like so many other things like "vaccines cause autism" people are afraid of what they don't understand and too stubborn to approach concerns scientifically, which means not just listening to idiots on the internet, but reading scientific literature.

[2xtream]

@Uuuurk

ROUNDUP claim of Safe for consumption is "Scientific fraud", one that can, and has killed those that consume foods that are DNA or GMO altered...... !!!!!!...... !!!!!!....!!!!!!.....!!!!!!!

Monsanto vs Schmeiser

Mar. 3, 2006 – Farmers and environmentalists vs Monsanto

Lawsuit filed over Monsantos GM sugar beet

Monsanto Roundup Ready alfalfa loses law suit

This list is longer then i care to share.... do your own search and learn

[Uuuurk]

@2xtream GE is a technique, I have never stated that every plant one can produce whit GMO is not to be unsafe. As the uneducated person you are you think that there is only one singel GMO plant and thats just absured.

I have never promoted roundup. As I written before I dont like monsanto and just like stemcell rechers GE should have its limits. There are always downsides to new techniques. We wouldent come far if we suppressed every new thing we learned.

[2xtream]

Part 1:

False advertising

In 1996, Monsanto was accused of false and misleading advertising of glyphosate products, prompting a law suit by the New York State attorney general.[52] Monsanto had made claims that its spray-on glyphosate based herbicides, including Roundup, were safer than table salt and "practically non-toxic" to mammals, birds, and fish.[53]

[2xtream]

Part 2: Environmental and consumer rights campaigners brought a case in France in 2001 for presenting Roundup as biodegradable and claiming that it left the soil clean after use; glyphosate, Roundup's main ingredient, is classed by the European Union as "dangerous for the environment" and "toxic for aquatic organisms". In January 2007, Monsanto was convicted of false advertising.[54] The result was confirmed in 2009.[55]

[2xtream]

@Uuuurk Ya know this is very simple "REALLY"! I gave you the phrase to search on Google and see for yourself.. But for some reason you are unable to do the search? I wonder why? Only because there are Hundreds of Links where MONSANTO is found Guilty of GMO food and making People SICK who eat it... Now do yourself a favor and stop commenting and do the SEARCH.... GEEEEZZZZZZ !!!!! You can apologize to me later....

SEARCH-----> Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals

[Uuuurk]

@2xtream I learn and understand the processe in my teachings dosent mean i have to like them but i understand them. You have no idea of anything.

You know what, a singel study dosent mean shit, there are literary thousands of studies done each day, we cant take every conclusion from every study as a fact, thats not how science works! last week i saw from a food seminare were 33 studies have been dun in were 2 studies didnt conclude anything and the rest concluded the opposite from one and other

[bigalhorse1]

this is bullshit. gm does increase yield i know first hand. 150bushel/acre corn in the 1950's vs. 250bushel/acre now? what we are doing now is sustainable agriculture. in 1950 there were 3 billion ppl in the world, a third of which were starving, now there are over 6 billion and only a seventh of them are starving. this guy has got it all wrong, he either wants the world to starve to death or he's just a journalism teacher at berkeley...oh wait...!

[2xtream]

@bigalhorse1 Why don't you learn you stupid chemist!!!! STOP MESSING WITH GODS WORLD!!!!!

Search the phrase and LEARN!!!!!!!

""""" Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals """""

Even a 2yr old can see GMO is WRONG!!!!! LEAVE OUR PLANET ALONE !!!! STINKING GREEDY PPL !!!!!

What does it cost us to eat Natural Corn NOT GMO>? A little more at the store. But a lifetime of happiness from NOT SEEING A DOCTOR FOR ORGAN FAILURE BECAUSE OF YOUR GMO FOODS !!!!

INFOWARS.COM

[Uuuurk]

@2xtream ppl who dont know very little about agricultur and science thinks GMO is bad. There is no natural corn. agriculture is not natural, its more like mans war against nature. GMO food does not cause organic failure, there is no reason to belive that a technique used would be harmful. The GE technique used to produce new types of plants is one of several techniques humans have used.

No god created our wonderful world

[2xtream]

@Uuuurk I give you the FACTS and it goes right over your stupid head.... If you can't learn and understand what is happening to our food supply, caused by MONSANTO, then all i can say is your probably work for them... What a shame, your no better then the greedy corporations you work for ...

[Uuuurk]

@2xtream I study agriculture and you have NO FACTS. You have just read stuff on random websites created by uneducated ppl who act like they r expert and then u act like your some kinda expert when u really have no clue what your talking about.

Why would GM food be more harmful then any other food? Why is new medicine bad?

I dislike monsanto, but i know what im talking about. Your just one of those ppl who like to have opinions whitout bothering to learn what u r talking about.

[2xtream]

@Uuuurk You need to relax and put your newly found studies aside and seek the truth. You'll do much better in life. Not everything you learn in school is Truth, but rather somebody else written "claim" of truth. You'll learn that too if you look for it.... You see College only gives one enough time to do the work for the grade but no time to study to learn who, what, where, why, they are given those answers. And when they find a false teaching form the professor they keep quite for a good grade

[Uuuurk]

@2xtream I dun have any newly found studies, what are you talking about?

Most is learned in universities rest is learned by going to SCIENTIFIC conferances reading SCIENTIFC articals etc, the thruth IS NOT in any random website created by someone who dosent even have basic knowlege of agriculture/genetics/plant biology/biochemistry/soil/micr­obiology/ecology(/etc) and NO understanding what so ever of science.

[Uuuurk]

@2xtream 3 quotes

"And when they find a false teaching form the professor they keep quite for a good grade"

No the professors always explain why they are wrong when they get questioned, professors dont get pissed off by being questioned, they actually like it.

"You'll learn that too if you look for it...." If your biouse you will always find what u r looking for.

"Why don't you learn you stupid chemist!!!" Even a 2yr old knowes the diffrence between genetics and chemistry...

[2xtream]

@Uuuurk last attempt to shine some light inside your head. GMO corn from Monsanto for example states on the BAG of SEED, Round-Up Ready! What this means is. This corn will NOT GROW unless the farmer uses "ROUND-UP" bug killer to start the germination process. SO, No ROUND-UP NO GROW! And because CHEMIST thought that to be a good idea, now the CORN has BUG killer in its DNA. And why the trucks that transport the corn display the Hazard signs, and PPL die from eating it !

search=roundup ready corn

[MutantNinjaFly]

@2xtream I'm interested in this study you cite. what was the sample size? control measures? which organs? "organ failure" is an extremely broad term. what was the significance level? who funded it and at what institution? Has it been published in a respected peer-reviewed journal like the New England Journal of Medicine? infowars.COM, never heard of it, doesn't sound reputable. Are there other corroborating studies? These are what you should ask before you jump to conclusions.

[MutantNinjaFly]

@bigalhorse1 wait, you're saying this guy has no scientific background? HAHA, thats like me telling a NASA engineer he's doing it wrong because though I'm not an engineer, I did some research on the internet. Jesus, at least if was a scientist, it could be taken seriously.

[vidaripollen]

monoculture increases unemployment?

[Davebjj]

how do you combine a "polyculture"?? you have all these negative comments but no real examples of how to implement change.

They are working on drought tolerant hybrids, disease resistant crops and expressing genes which bump yield up.

GM technology obviously makes a positive impact on yield. We are seeing more bushels per acre than ever before.

21st century is about advancement in genetics and implementing new technology into our food production.

[louis12346]

Obama Gives Key Agriculture Post to Monsanto Man

President Obama announced that he will recess appoint Islam A. Siddiqui to the position of Chief Agricultural Negotiator, Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.

Siddiqui is a pesticide lobbyist and Vice President for Science and Regulatory Affairs at CropLife America, an agribusiness lobbying group that represents Monsanto.Islam Siddiqui was a registered lobbyist with CropLife America, which spent just over $2 million on lobbying

[SirWinstonChurchill]

@louis12346

Just wait until they get their hands on "legalized" marijuana...

[gregryf]

@SirWinstonChurchill I can't wait!!!!

[SirWinstonChurchill]

@gregryf

You're an idiot... do yourself and everyone else a favor... go swimming in a ripe tide...

[gregryf]

@SirWinstonChurchill Kiss my ass motherfucker

[SirWinstonChurchill]

@gregryf

You're an idiot... do yourself and everyone else a favor... go swimming in a rip tide...

[DelilahZoe]

I left biotechnology industry because Monsanto et. al. are NOT making agriculture more environmentally friendly. Thank you Michael.

[Nuiceltico]

"Problem of GE they have been designed for profit. biased testing a push for a return that outweighs the advantage of product. If there was a way to develop GMO life form, tested for generations before use -maybe- I could endorse such a thing and only on an "open source" basis since then anyone would be able to have access to study it. These would have to be in a strictly controlled INDOOR environment before it could be introduced - if at all. It needs to be treated as a unknown time bomb."

[Nuiceltico]

Pollan arguments are sophisticated he also says "bring the local farmers back" radical reforms are needed , biomass without fertilisers or pesticides....monoculture to polycultures...rotation in Argentina etc to increase soil fertility naturally move ruminant animals every 8yrs as clever as the IDEA of gmos shift our whole research agenda though.Reward the changes needed , cheap nitogen has been a curse , mandatory composting is important , "don't sell grain lower than the cost of production" !

[Nuiceltico]

What he says on the extended version." No healthy diet without a healthy agriculture .The system is broken ". He does not promote genetic engineering of our staple foods in it's present hyped secretive commericalised model !!

He sees a potential for doing it more ethically in the distant future if rogue companies like Monsanto are regulated from the so-called 'free market'. Long term "food reform" ( from pesticide/fossil fuel back to real sunshine ) on many levels including proper labelling.

[Itztli87]

thats simply how they will keep the proles sickly and stupid

theres no money in keeping ppl healthy. sickness, however, is BIG money

[beancube2008]

All you can do is go to China, India, Russia and break these Intellectual Property Monopolies. Using the huge and flexible productivity of these regions to distribute technology so many more labs can learn and examine product of alterations biology and provide rewards for contributing their data. Yes, open source technologists should always help neighbors so to maintain non-profited influence in technologies. Verification should be the real revolution for economy & the only shortcut to recovery.

[angelofmercy29]

our food isn't the same as it used to be. It was healthier when we stuck with God's main way of growing things. This is not ethical and it's not safe

[mtlsoul]

We have been breeding (a slower way of genetically engineering) crops and animals for millenia. Is god ok with that? If so, why is he all of a sudden opposed to it in a more efficent method?

[Nuiceltico]

that was hybridisation among similar species over centuries! Not the subject here which is very recent lab Transgenic experimentation poorly tested much hyped..

[ivanmikhailov]

God's way of growing things didn't supply us with any of the foods we know today. Every grain, fruit, vegetable, and bean we eat today is the result of thousands of years of selective breeding.

[steveoo5]

cant wait

[cr3rzemJest]

in XXI century food and place to live should be free for everybody

[SlaveStorm]

Nobody gets that Politics is a corporation too they're all irrelevant, stop validating it by participating. Create a new artifact, design something, an open communicative cooperative community of planet earth

We can rally a billion people in face book or American Idol to vote for trivial stuff. Let's use these tools to move people, create a new world game of enlightened citizens earning points for being better informed, exposing lies & uncovering truths, earn the right to weighted voting exams

[jdquarg]

Pig in a Poke : (Wikipedia) A common colloquial expression in the English language, to "buy a pig in a poke," is to make a risky purchase without inspecting the item beforehand. The phrase can also be applied to accepting an idea or plan without a full understanding of its basis. Similar expressions exist in other languages, most of them meaning to buy a cat in a bag, with some exceptions:

[criticalmindseed]

monsanto is evil, yet their name translated means "holy one" oh and didn't they develop agent orange? this is still killing people in veitnam

[Salladsdressing]

@criticalmindseed i bet 1000 dollars that you don't have a PHD in biology!

If you are interested in the subject go and read up on the science and not Greenpeace propaganda which doesn't have ANY science what so ever in their so called "reports".

[gorojo1]

Monsanto is evil. I have know dozens of people that worked for them and they are testified how unethical and evil they are.

From nutrasweet to silicon implants to grains, they have spent billions to suppress information.

[CivilRadiant]

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS

[funkalunatic]

Why would you need a contract to study Monsanto's crap? Just buy some treated seed like a farmer and you'll have plenty to study.

[Toleh]

but then, you can't publish your research, because Monsanto would build up a legal case against you.

[funkalunatic]

Maybe not in a journal, but the Internet allows for anonymous publication of information.

[Toleh]

I've just watched a documentary, "The World According to Monsanto", and there are some studies on Monsanto's GM crops, but oddly, not many people know about.

[Toleh]

I suppose they can threaten people by their army of lawyers. Check the documentary, "The World According by Monsanto", on YouTube, you might be able to get some idea

[Schlig1111]

how can they keep people from publishing research?

[matmicmj]

thxz..,.,

[2xtream]

Monsanto is corrupt.

[Salladsdressing]

@2xtream i bet 1000 dollars that you don't have a PHD in biology!

If you are interested in the subjec go and read up on the science and not Greenpeace propaganda which doesn't have ANY science what so ever in their so called "reports".

[2xtream]

@Salladsdressing You respond with how much education I have because I have an opinion?? How much money does Monsanto pay you to brows web sites looking for remarks against them?? You are what we the "Truthers" term (useful idiots)... The things you do because of your brainwashing causes even you harm, but being a "useful Idiot" you haven't a clue....

[regnevakrad]

@2xtream

It actualy means "my saint". Your translation is very misleading!

[regnevakrad]

@2xtream

It actualy means "my saint". Or the contraction of monte santo "holy hill". Your translation is very misleading!