There is a clear difference between the immigrants that will never become Swedish and the ones who will, it is called "behavior".
Ara Abrahamian acts in a civilized manner and function just fine in the modern Swedish society. Many other immigrants do not, and can thus never become Swedish.
Hmm... well "behaviour" is a bit of an odd word to use. There was basically a study done amongst gymnasium students of what constitutes a "real Swede." Foreign background and country of birth were not seen as important factors. Being able to speak the language and having respect for the law were seen as key factors. :) Plus loyalty to Sweden always goes home well with other Swedes and the fact that he's chosen to represent Sweden certainly doesn't hurt. :D
To be a "real Swede" you must be ethnically Swedish. One can of course never become that except by birth. Immigrants can become naturalized citizens that functions in the Swedish society, they can then call themselves Swedes and Swedish (=Ara). But MOST immigrants do not, and thus deserve nothing except having their primitive criminal ass thrown out of the country.
Not according to this survey. I guess the youth of Sweden today disagree with you. ;) And what nonsense. Having a 9-5 job, speaking passable Swedish, and being a law-abiding citizen is an example of successful integration and I know PLENTY of such people. Famous sports profiles, however, are the only integrated people who ever get any media coverage. :/ And if an immigrant commits a crime they should go to Swedish prisons like anyone else. They're the responsibility of the Swedish government. :/
The youth can kiss my ass. They, and you, have little to no experience about life and lack the capability to really think. Have I EVER said that law-abiding immigrants don't exist? Immigrants DO go to Swedish prisons, and anyone who know how the prisons look like knows that they are overcrowded with non-Swedes. Immigrants commit MOST crimes, and should be stripped of their citizenship and deported if they commit a crime that has a prison sentence! The scum of the world are not welcome here!
You're a hypocrite. The immigrants Sweden takes in are SWEDEN's responsibility. Why deport them? You can't make up different rules for citizens depending on their background. That's discrimination! What you are effectively doing is dividing Sweden into two groups: "us" and "them" and "they" do not have the same rights as us. Thanks for being an obstacle in the integration process. :( If Sweden doesn't want terrorists they shouldn't let them in in the first place. ;)
No, every adult INDIVIDUAL have total responsibility of their own actions, the Swedish state have ZERO responsibility for the actions of free individuals. If they choose to commit a crime that has the penalty of deportation it is their own choice!
The law apples to ALL. "ALL who have immigrated to Sweden should be thrown out of they commit a crime." This is of course not discrimination because it applies to EVERYONE. Including me. I just happen to be born here... ;)
I didn't say any crimes commited is the responsibility of the government. I said the people are. That is the point of a governmental body - they are in charge of the people of that country. And you can't just let people in and then send them back out if they don't suit you. I mean, WTF? And this is a no-brainer, but NO ONE wants criminals. ;) You can't just deport all criminals because they have nowhere to go. You need to sign deals with countries to allow deportation. o.0
No. No one except the individual in question is responsible for his own actions. The job of the state is to protect the population from the scum that commit crimes. When a person commits a crime he knowingly authorizes the state to give him some kind of penalty. They DO have somewhere to go: back home! We just need say we'll stop their aid if they don't accept their people back.
Yeah... by SENDING THEM TO JAIL. If you issue someone a PUT they ARE home in Sweden. You cannot set up different rules to different people. You'd make a horrible leader. You have no idea how things work in reality.
Jail first, and when the sentence is done they should get deported. But as it is RIGHT NOW, even those who get deportation in their sentence rarely have it carried out!
No. PUT does not mean citizenship. And why are they giving people PUTs anyway? Why not issue TUT until we have seen if they can act as a civilized human being?!?!
There are no different rules! If a Swede commits a crime in a foreign country he should of course also be deported.
There are plenty of cases of deportations being carried out. Most, if not all, economic migrants are deported. Deporting people to a warfare is illegal and goes against international law. And heh. ARE Swedes usually deported if they commit a crime overseas? No. Because the government in question wants to take care of the criminal and run them through their system. If you deport a criminal back to Iraq chances are they'll be let go and then re-enter Sweden under a different name. ;)
Scurck you're wrong. Your comment is disgusting. There's nothing such as a "real swede", one who gains swedish citizenship is swedish, regardless of his origins. He follows and applies the law. There isn't a single person in Sweden today who has a 100% swedish family. Ara is just as swedish as Sven Svensson or Peter Persson. It has nothing to do with the colour of your skin - citizenship ("being swedish") is a LEGAL issue. The ones who think otherwise usually join "Sverigedemokraterna".
No YOU are wrong and disgusting you fucking traitorous sack of slime! I am ethically SWEDISH and can trace MY family back to the 1500's with only a single Frenchman 200 years ago as the only foreigner, and most of my SWEDISH friends have a similar family history! To have a Swedish citizenship is NOT the same as being SVENSK. Why do PC scum like you always bring up skin color?
And no, your lies about SD are soo old by now, SD do not want to throw out criminal immigrants with citizenship!
A country which defines itself by ethnicity is a racist one. If you look at it genetically "ethnic Swedes" have much the same genes are Norwegians, Danes, and people in Northern Germany. So, really, that's our ethnic group. Yet we do use the term "ethnic Swedes" as a contrast to newer Swedes. And that's fine. We know Henke isn't a total ethnic Swede. But he's still Swedish. A REAL Swede. And I think we know by now that SD makes more sense than you do, since for once they would agree with me. ;)
All countries define itself by its people, especially countries who have always had a homogeneous people, like Japan and Sweden. Even immigration nations like USA define themselves as a people "Americun'".
The UN human rights state that all peoples have the right to have their own country...
I could use the term "North Germanic" in all my argument if you like that better then "Swedish"...
Henke IS Svensk.
I am more extreme then SD, but that does not mean I will not vote for them...
Yeah... I agree that the people of Sweden define Sweden. What we don't agree on is that they have to be ethnic Swedes. I feel closer to someone with an Iraqi background who was born and raised in Sweden (assuming that they don't live completely segregated) than I do with a person from Germany. o.0 And Henke is half-Swedish by blood, which is apparently something very important. o.
And hell, another person voting for SD. It's a CRAP party. The only have some good policies - like the deportation of asylum seekers who commit crime - but a lot of their immigration policies are rubbish as well. And basically those are the only policies they have. o.0 Plus they want an ethically Christian Sweden. I mean, WTF? Even the Christian Demokrats aren't that bad. I'd rather not make Sweden into USA #2. Keep religion out of politics please. -.-
Since there are no Objectivist party in Sweden this makes SD the ONLY realistic party to vote for.
Hahaha, SD have WAY more policies than Mp! And most of them make sense, as opposed to the policies of V, Mp, S, C, Fp, M and Kd who almost all are the total opposite of reason and seems to be hostile towards reality on purpose!
SD are classical Socialdemocrats (pre-68). That's hardly USA #2.
All the lies about SD are sooo old by now, do anyone actually believe that silly propaganda any more?
SD is a crap party. I know their policies well since I'm a subscriber. Their main voting groups are the elderly and young men out on farms (who have no contact with immigrants in the first place). And this is factual. Plus they blame their unemployment on immigrants yet claim that immigrants all live on welfare. Contradiction, much? SD is the party to vote for if you want Sweden to go under. Contrary to popular belief you can discuss immigration issues with the bigger parties.
Their main voting groups are all kinds of people, but most have had close contact with immigrants and have seen through the political correctness propaganda. Thats why SD are huge in Skåne and other areas with a high rate of immigrants, and small in areas with few immigrants. This is fact.
No it is only a contradiction in your own mind. As usual from people like you, you construct lies about what you think SD voters should think and then use this as 'arguments'.
A subscriber of SD. And their main voting group is farmers in the south who are aware of immigrants but seldom interact with them. It's predictable. And it IS a contradiction. Explain to me how it isn't. I'm not the one constructing lies. I'd suggest you actually read SD's policies. Any good policies they may have are totally overshadowed by the crap they put forward. ;)
There is no such thing as Swedish by behaviour. That is a ridiculous statement too. All people are different and at least 40% of people alternative from what is seen as being stereotypically Swedish generally. In some way? Pfft, everyone. No one is a walking stereotype.
"Swedish behavior" can be observed throughout history, and variants can of course can be found in many other peoples as well. It is the base on which the Swedish culture and society is built upon and why certain new immigrants fail to fit in. And why they are causing its destruction.
For example; few Swedes commit crime, even if they are poor. Many immigrants commit crime, even if they are rich.
No, because that is one hell of a stereotype. What proof do you have of this? An increase in crime in society is always a class issue. And this is a major problem. But are you seriously telling me that you think Swedes are genetically superior to other people. o.0 If you're talking about societal norms then you should consider a person born and raised in Sweden (like Zlatan) to be Swedish. Or else you're simply being inconsistent.
The refs changed the results afterwards by claiming the had fled the mat. But he did not even leave the mat once during the entire match! The Italian left the mat though, twice.
Oh, and the main ref are the cousin of the FILA boss, who refused to accept the formal protest... Both Italians...
gold or nothing good for him!
DonMolock 3 years ago
look up "sports yahoo com" and search "Court: Wrestler who dropped medal was right"
. sorry but they won't let me post the link, Probably think it's spam :p
scobum 3 years ago
looks like the judges think the guy was right. and showed a hole in the judging that has to be fixed.
scobum 3 years ago
great job ara today the olympic commity anounced the italian judge was wrong so ara had won that match great job ara fu-k the italian judge
1982ANY 3 years ago
Ara totally did the right thing..
IOC have made the wrestling become dirty.
ARA is my hero.
NoScenceOfHumor 3 years ago
Fuck you Baugin. has Scurck said, he's way more swedish than you. and he did the right thing throwing that bronze medal away.
tyavman 3 years ago
He isn´t Swedish and he disgraced the Swedish Nation.
Baugin 3 years ago
He is way more Swedish then you, traitor.
Ara; Bragdguldet 2008!
Scurck 3 years ago 2
HES FUCKIN ARMENIAN U FUCKS!!!!
AkMusic323 3 years ago
Armenian by ethnicity.
Swedish by nationality, actions and mind.
There is a clear difference between the immigrants that will never become Swedish and the ones who will, it is called "behavior".
Ara Abrahamian acts in a civilized manner and function just fine in the modern Swedish society. Many other immigrants do not, and can thus never become Swedish.
Scurck 3 years ago
Hmm... well "behaviour" is a bit of an odd word to use. There was basically a study done amongst gymnasium students of what constitutes a "real Swede." Foreign background and country of birth were not seen as important factors. Being able to speak the language and having respect for the law were seen as key factors. :) Plus loyalty to Sweden always goes home well with other Swedes and the fact that he's chosen to represent Sweden certainly doesn't hurt. :D
mieroth 3 years ago
To be a "real Swede" you must be ethnically Swedish. One can of course never become that except by birth. Immigrants can become naturalized citizens that functions in the Swedish society, they can then call themselves Swedes and Swedish (=Ara). But MOST immigrants do not, and thus deserve nothing except having their primitive criminal ass thrown out of the country.
Scurck 3 years ago
Not according to this survey. I guess the youth of Sweden today disagree with you. ;) And what nonsense. Having a 9-5 job, speaking passable Swedish, and being a law-abiding citizen is an example of successful integration and I know PLENTY of such people. Famous sports profiles, however, are the only integrated people who ever get any media coverage. :/ And if an immigrant commits a crime they should go to Swedish prisons like anyone else. They're the responsibility of the Swedish government. :/
mieroth 3 years ago
The youth can kiss my ass. They, and you, have little to no experience about life and lack the capability to really think. Have I EVER said that law-abiding immigrants don't exist? Immigrants DO go to Swedish prisons, and anyone who know how the prisons look like knows that they are overcrowded with non-Swedes. Immigrants commit MOST crimes, and should be stripped of their citizenship and deported if they commit a crime that has a prison sentence! The scum of the world are not welcome here!
Scurck 3 years ago
You're a hypocrite. The immigrants Sweden takes in are SWEDEN's responsibility. Why deport them? You can't make up different rules for citizens depending on their background. That's discrimination! What you are effectively doing is dividing Sweden into two groups: "us" and "them" and "they" do not have the same rights as us. Thanks for being an obstacle in the integration process. :( If Sweden doesn't want terrorists they shouldn't let them in in the first place. ;)
mieroth 3 years ago
No, every adult INDIVIDUAL have total responsibility of their own actions, the Swedish state have ZERO responsibility for the actions of free individuals. If they choose to commit a crime that has the penalty of deportation it is their own choice!
The law apples to ALL. "ALL who have immigrated to Sweden should be thrown out of they commit a crime." This is of course not discrimination because it applies to EVERYONE. Including me. I just happen to be born here... ;)
Scurck 3 years ago
I didn't say any crimes commited is the responsibility of the government. I said the people are. That is the point of a governmental body - they are in charge of the people of that country. And you can't just let people in and then send them back out if they don't suit you. I mean, WTF? And this is a no-brainer, but NO ONE wants criminals. ;) You can't just deport all criminals because they have nowhere to go. You need to sign deals with countries to allow deportation. o.0
mieroth 3 years ago
No. No one except the individual in question is responsible for his own actions. The job of the state is to protect the population from the scum that commit crimes. When a person commits a crime he knowingly authorizes the state to give him some kind of penalty. They DO have somewhere to go: back home! We just need say we'll stop their aid if they don't accept their people back.
Scurck 3 years ago
Yeah... by SENDING THEM TO JAIL. If you issue someone a PUT they ARE home in Sweden. You cannot set up different rules to different people. You'd make a horrible leader. You have no idea how things work in reality.
mieroth 3 years ago
Jail first, and when the sentence is done they should get deported. But as it is RIGHT NOW, even those who get deportation in their sentence rarely have it carried out!
No. PUT does not mean citizenship. And why are they giving people PUTs anyway? Why not issue TUT until we have seen if they can act as a civilized human being?!?!
There are no different rules! If a Swede commits a crime in a foreign country he should of course also be deported.
You do not seem to live in reality at all.
Scurck 3 years ago
There are plenty of cases of deportations being carried out. Most, if not all, economic migrants are deported. Deporting people to a warfare is illegal and goes against international law. And heh. ARE Swedes usually deported if they commit a crime overseas? No. Because the government in question wants to take care of the criminal and run them through their system. If you deport a criminal back to Iraq chances are they'll be let go and then re-enter Sweden under a different name. ;)
mieroth 3 years ago
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mieroth 3 years ago
Scurck you're wrong. Your comment is disgusting. There's nothing such as a "real swede", one who gains swedish citizenship is swedish, regardless of his origins. He follows and applies the law. There isn't a single person in Sweden today who has a 100% swedish family. Ara is just as swedish as Sven Svensson or Peter Persson. It has nothing to do with the colour of your skin - citizenship ("being swedish") is a LEGAL issue. The ones who think otherwise usually join "Sverigedemokraterna".
MonterreyCathare 3 years ago
No YOU are wrong and disgusting you fucking traitorous sack of slime! I am ethically SWEDISH and can trace MY family back to the 1500's with only a single Frenchman 200 years ago as the only foreigner, and most of my SWEDISH friends have a similar family history! To have a Swedish citizenship is NOT the same as being SVENSK. Why do PC scum like you always bring up skin color?
And no, your lies about SD are soo old by now, SD do not want to throw out criminal immigrants with citizenship!
Scurck 3 years ago
A country which defines itself by ethnicity is a racist one. If you look at it genetically "ethnic Swedes" have much the same genes are Norwegians, Danes, and people in Northern Germany. So, really, that's our ethnic group. Yet we do use the term "ethnic Swedes" as a contrast to newer Swedes. And that's fine. We know Henke isn't a total ethnic Swede. But he's still Swedish. A REAL Swede. And I think we know by now that SD makes more sense than you do, since for once they would agree with me. ;)
mieroth 3 years ago
All countries define itself by its people, especially countries who have always had a homogeneous people, like Japan and Sweden. Even immigration nations like USA define themselves as a people "Americun'".
The UN human rights state that all peoples have the right to have their own country...
I could use the term "North Germanic" in all my argument if you like that better then "Swedish"...
Henke IS Svensk.
I am more extreme then SD, but that does not mean I will not vote for them...
Scurck 3 years ago
Yeah... I agree that the people of Sweden define Sweden. What we don't agree on is that they have to be ethnic Swedes. I feel closer to someone with an Iraqi background who was born and raised in Sweden (assuming that they don't live completely segregated) than I do with a person from Germany. o.0 And Henke is half-Swedish by blood, which is apparently something very important. o.
mieroth 3 years ago
And hell, another person voting for SD. It's a CRAP party. The only have some good policies - like the deportation of asylum seekers who commit crime - but a lot of their immigration policies are rubbish as well. And basically those are the only policies they have. o.0 Plus they want an ethically Christian Sweden. I mean, WTF? Even the Christian Demokrats aren't that bad. I'd rather not make Sweden into USA #2. Keep religion out of politics please. -.-
mieroth 3 years ago
Since there are no Objectivist party in Sweden this makes SD the ONLY realistic party to vote for.
Hahaha, SD have WAY more policies than Mp! And most of them make sense, as opposed to the policies of V, Mp, S, C, Fp, M and Kd who almost all are the total opposite of reason and seems to be hostile towards reality on purpose!
SD are classical Socialdemocrats (pre-68). That's hardly USA #2.
All the lies about SD are sooo old by now, do anyone actually believe that silly propaganda any more?
Scurck 3 years ago
SD is a crap party. I know their policies well since I'm a subscriber. Their main voting groups are the elderly and young men out on farms (who have no contact with immigrants in the first place). And this is factual. Plus they blame their unemployment on immigrants yet claim that immigrants all live on welfare. Contradiction, much? SD is the party to vote for if you want Sweden to go under. Contrary to popular belief you can discuss immigration issues with the bigger parties.
mieroth 3 years ago
A subscriber do what? Expo?
Their main voting groups are all kinds of people, but most have had close contact with immigrants and have seen through the political correctness propaganda. Thats why SD are huge in Skåne and other areas with a high rate of immigrants, and small in areas with few immigrants. This is fact.
No it is only a contradiction in your own mind. As usual from people like you, you construct lies about what you think SD voters should think and then use this as 'arguments'.
Scurck 3 years ago
A subscriber of SD. And their main voting group is farmers in the south who are aware of immigrants but seldom interact with them. It's predictable. And it IS a contradiction. Explain to me how it isn't. I'm not the one constructing lies. I'd suggest you actually read SD's policies. Any good policies they may have are totally overshadowed by the crap they put forward. ;)
mieroth 3 years ago
"assuming that they don't live completely segregated"...
Why is that? Are you a racist?!
Henke is Swedish by behavior just like Ara. And he has a Swedish mother which qualifies him as a real Svensk.
Scurck 3 years ago
Yes, that is it. I am a racist.
There is no such thing as Swedish by behaviour. That is a ridiculous statement too. All people are different and at least 40% of people alternative from what is seen as being stereotypically Swedish generally. In some way? Pfft, everyone. No one is a walking stereotype.
mieroth 3 years ago
"Swedish behavior" can be observed throughout history, and variants can of course can be found in many other peoples as well. It is the base on which the Swedish culture and society is built upon and why certain new immigrants fail to fit in. And why they are causing its destruction.
For example; few Swedes commit crime, even if they are poor. Many immigrants commit crime, even if they are rich.
Do you see the difference?
Scurck 3 years ago
No, because that is one hell of a stereotype. What proof do you have of this? An increase in crime in society is always a class issue. And this is a major problem. But are you seriously telling me that you think Swedes are genetically superior to other people. o.0 If you're talking about societal norms then you should consider a person born and raised in Sweden (like Zlatan) to be Swedish. Or else you're simply being inconsistent.
mieroth 3 years ago
i'd bang that entire US relay swimming team
andsr002 3 years ago 3
id do that too aswell as the aussie relay swimming team
yamato316 3 years ago
Ara won and he is my hero.
madnero12 3 years ago 5
Fair play, the yanks love it...
Apparantly Federer was "picked up and stomped on" by Blake!
America, yeah!
fattythornton 3 years ago
Ara did not loose"
bajentobbbe 3 years ago 5
Yeah , alla the experts on Wressling in swe where chocked
schpie 3 years ago 5
Ara rules
the fucking judges dont know anything.
throwing the medal was a good thing
Rougezz 3 years ago 18
that was such horseshit when they gave him bronze...he deserved that gold!
FuhQR 3 years ago 8
The Armenian Swedish wrestler perhaps made a valid protest
Nuiceltico 3 years ago 14
YE!
bitchslapper12 3 years ago
watch?v=kC0R-WyQJyg !!!! and you will get it- why he trewh the medal
Eithyz1 3 years ago
Ara did not loose.
The refs changed the results afterwards by claiming the had fled the mat. But he did not even leave the mat once during the entire match! The Italian left the mat though, twice.
Oh, and the main ref are the cousin of the FILA boss, who refused to accept the formal protest... Both Italians...
Scurck 3 years ago 18
Thanks for sharing "Both Italians" totally disgrace. It should not have been allowed.
madnero12 3 years ago 2
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america, fuck yeah!
DoctorDoubleX 3 years ago