Hovind always schools the nerds, and dorks! Evolutionism is such a joke. Its like a sitcom thats been running for almost 200 years. You have to be a sad little boy to defend evolutionism.
@FlameGurl06 You probably don't know (ignorance is bliss in your state of mind) but people like you could very well be the downfall of the US. Rejecting not only biology but also almost ALL other sciences because of a silly old book is...well, words fail to describe your ignorance.
@floisheremuch Your a sad little boy. Ive never been called a d**khead before. That made me laugh pretty hard. Good one. Hovind didnt get owned. That word "owned" is only used by little boys who cant get girls. Only cowards, and nerds believe in evolutionism.
@FlameGurl06 PAHAHA your whole argument just got demolished by the fact I have two X chromosomes. Nice scientific backup, reason, logic and wit you have there.. troll.
@floisheremuch So do I. So PAHAHA yourself. Your a sad little gitl then. Is that better, troll? Only cowards, and those who are not as smart as they think they are believe in the flawed hypothesis of evolutonism.
@FlameGurl06 As compared to the sheep who follow blindly the words of religion and creationism, all of which have no evidence, and absolutely no place in the scientific world. "Not as smart as they think they are"? Tell that to scientists who have masses of qualifications. How many do you have, huh?
@floisheremuch You dont have to look long to see there IS evidence for creation. Actually, anything else is impossible! The flawed hypothesis of evolutionism has no place in the scientific world either. Its just another religion in a long line of religions. So when you say "the sheep who blindly follow religion" you can include evolutionism in there as well. There is absolutely no getting around that! "Qualified" scientist get exiled for speaking out in truth, so qualifications are mean nothing
@FlameGurl06 Show me ONE infallible peice of evidence for creation. Evolution has proved to be possible You are to obtuse to see it. It is the backbone of biology. Evolution is not a religion, it is a fact. God is false. I have seen the evidence for evolution and the other theories that correspond with it and there is no denying it. You are a dying breed. - Show me one peice of evidence for creationism that is indestructable. Or go home.
@floisheremuch Everything you say can be turned around on you. The pot calling the kettle black so to speak. To say "God is false" you have to claim that you know absolutely everything there is to know. I doubt you know everything. To say that evolution is the "backbone of biology" is insane! Its a religion, and nothing more. It takes more faith to believe that mess of a hypothesis than it does to believe in the tooth fairy. I agree that Im a dying breed. A young person who can reason.
@FlameGurl06 I am a young person who was raised on creation but examined the interlocking evidences (fossil record, geology, dating of radioactive materials etc) and realised that it is a THEORY with lots of backing, and it is likely correct. "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power" is the definition of religion. Evolution is a process, and unlike religion it doesnt need faith to belive in it, it has PROOF. The creation story does nothing but shrink knowledge.
@floisheremuch Thanks for giving me the "interlocking evidences" you BELIEVE to be "proves" of evolutionism. Fossils prove nothing except death, and could just a easily be evidence of a flood. Geology is the study of earth, and the processes by which it is shaped, and changed. Its not proof of anything. Its a study. Dating methods have been shown to be horse crap! Evolutionism is a fairy tale. It takes so much faith to believe in that nonsense.
@FlameGurl06 Actually it takes less than to believe the narrow minded veiw that the world is 6000 years old. the processes in which the earth is shaped take millions of years. The mass extinctions could not have been a flood. I suggest you look at potholer54's 'Noahs flood debunked" p1-2. It clearly explains it is a myth that european societies got over 100 years ago. Dating methods have not shown to be crap at all. Show me one peice of infalible evidence for creationism. Or go home.
@floisheremuch I am home. lol. I dont base my doubt in evolution on any story, or myth, or whatever you want to call it. It takes a whole lot more faith to believe in evolutioism than it does to believe atlas is holing the world on his shoulders, or that the world is flat! I dont have enough faith to believe in evolutionism! Please keep talking though. I get a great thrill from it! LMAO
@FlameGurl06 You are avoiding my question, you childish idiot. Once peice of infallible evidence for creationism. I belive in evidence and the scientific reason, rather than going against what it has provided for us and beliveing in a fairytale from the dark ages. One peice of evidence. Or else dont bother arguing.
@floisheremuch LOL!!!!!! I love it!! Keep talking! You said it all when you said you dont believe in "going against what has been provided". In other words you dont believe in questioning those you respect. You except evolutionism because you were taught evolution. Back in the day you would have believed the Earth was flat. Or that big rocks fall faster than little rocks. Youve admited that you "dont believe in questioning the evidence provided". Thats the problem!
@FlameGurl06 I am questioning them, and what I find is the proof stands up every time. You do not question the word of the bible at all.. Your childish mockings are your downfall.
NOW, I will say it again ONE PEICE OF INFALLIBLE EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM. You seem to have purposely ignored it the past two times, choosing instead to mock me, and ignore my points.
@FlameGurl06 did you listen to the program at all? 3 people came on and practically proved evolution in 2 hours. they made kent look like a babbling moron. ignorance is bliss.
@rockhardretard a profile name can show a lot of character in someone. Mine is silly while yours is, well, retarded. and just calling me dumb fuck does nothing to prove a point. at least explain why i am a dumb fuck before you go and try insulting me. quit trolling.
@bigchurp Did you hear the same program as me? You've got to be kidding, right? Every argument presented to KH was answered with honesty and truth. You evolutionists think you're right even when the evidence is plastered right in front of you!! Maybe your ears and brain haven't fulled EVOLVED enough so you can't understand basic information and process it correctly. Maybe you were skipped over in evolution's plan to make things better. OPPS
@figgytwo1 i can turn that comment right around to you. read what you write before you comment. you come off as a complete hypocrite. you think that geneticist near the end was lying? no, and kent couldnt even answer his question. and when people ask about where did it all begin, a true atheist would say we really dont know. but we can take a good guess from science, logic and reason. is that not truthful rather than pulling out god as the answer for everything when you really dont know?
@bigchurp You consider it logical to believe a theory that has been proven false because you will not accept the idea of a God. God forbid, that would be a terrible thing! So you continue on a dead end course that leads nowhere. I have accepted the belief that an eternal, all powerful God has created the universe and exists outside of time and space. God's thoughts are not obtainable for us because He is infinite and we are finite, but there is a source that has revealed Him to us
@bigchurp If you want to believe in no God, that is your perrogative. If God Himself came to you and said "here I am," you would probably still refuse to believe and say He is just a figment of your imagination. If you wish to embrace a flawed theory over accepting something and Someone who is over all things and who created all things, go right ahead. But don't make us Christians out to be stupid. "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel is a good example of educated men abandoning your theory
@figgytwo1 also we would love for you to prove us wrong. then we would be more accurate, but seeing as though the bible doesnt provide any real evidence for anything, your only source of "truth" is invalid. evidence for evolution is right in front of you but fear blinds you from it. fear of an eternal hell that makes you so deluded that you believe a flood from a really heavy rain mixed up all the soil almost a mile deep. logically that cant happen. that theory consists of magic.
@bigchurp What's magic is your belief in a "theory" that is based on no real scientific evidence anyewhere. Everything came from nothing from a huge spark of everything that came from somewhere, but we don't really know where or how, or who. Now that is what I call ignorant and down right foolish, to say the least. The Bible aside, I still would believe in a creator rather than what you believe which is gasicallt a refusal to accept the concept of something or someone bigger than ourselves.
@figgytwo1 first of all read the big band theory. but there is evidence for evolution everywhere. DNA is a huge example. we can find common ancestry in every living creature through dna. the big bang helps explain more than a bearded man did it. have answers in life ever been that simple? no i dont think so. and no we dont know where the universe started from and neither do you! at least im being honest. do you believe in gravity? thats just a theory, we cant really observe that
@bigchurp The complexity of DNA can't be explained through evolutionary theory. What goes on in each DNA is like a factory designed for perfect production and execution. To suggest that evolution, by chance, designed this perfect system is ludicrous. This system had to fully function from its conception or we or anything else around us wouldn't even be here. Common ancestry or common designer in every living thing. There is no evidence in the fossil record for evolution. STUDY THE LACK FOR E.
@figgytwo1 do you know what dna is? it builds the perfect family tree for all animals known to man. and we can actually see this tree in transitional forms. this doesnt happen in a blink of an eye. just because it cant happen in 6000 years doesnt make it not true, except to you. and im sure i would accept god if i saw him and everyone else around me saw him. i would be so happy to know he is there trying to help me, i just dont see any solid evidence for him.
@bigchurp I know what DNA is. No, I'm not a scientist, but I do know that DNA can not function without everything working in perfect unison. There is no way evolution can explain this, so for me I accept the concept of a Creator. It just makes alot more sense based on what we know to believe that than to believe in a flawed theory that at its best isn't even worth consideration. For me the evidence of a Creator is everywhere. I'm sorry you can't see it. I hope some day you will!
@figgytwo1 and your theory isnt flawed? there are so many gaps in your theory as well. also includes racism, totalitarianism, sexism, slavery, etc. your theory started some of the greatest wars known to man. and tell me why evolution cant explain dna being in perfect unison? and dna is NOT perfect it is always evolving. thats why there is mutations, and some mutations are good and some bad. the good genes/dna mutations get passed along in the next gen. natural selection my friend.
@figgytwo1 but we accept gravity as a law. so why evolution any different? we have the fossil evidence and we are getting more and more precise in dating every day. if you dont want to accept that then ok. you have the right to an opinion, but dont sit there and argue about how i cant come up for an explanation for something so complex such as the universe cause you cant either. and isnt life worth living more if there is no eternal life? shouldnt we make the best of it? i think so.
@figgytwo1 and magic is when something defies the laws of physics. such as growing a new arm from nothing, or creating woman out of a rib. thats magic in your god theory. i accept the universe, is that not bigger than we can possibly imagine? if god is all powerful, just show himself to us. its not difficult he made the rules, i didnt. its not like he would be breaking some law higher than him that he has to abide.
@FlameGurl06 what are you talking about? can you tell me one practical application for young earth science? he couldnt answer that question and continuously dodged the question. and im sure he speaks for a lot of christians such as yourself considering every christian i have met on here hides behind him. the guy from ireland/ scotland was biological geneticist, im sure he knows what he is talking about.
@FlameGurl06 sorry i was paying attention to the parts that were important, not locations of people. your pretty smart too believing in a man in the sky with magical powers and his little fairies floating around sending messages to people (who are not by any means schizophrenic/ delusional) because that man cant talk to us directly because he would break the rules even though he MADE the rules. It just blows my mind why people dont believe in that. what is this world coming to? have fun in hell
@FlameGurl06 your welcome. i just love how smart you are. im so immature when you were the one posting a comment about how i got a guys location wrong and stating i wasnt paying attention. congrats, you believe and nothing and are a hypocrite! enjoy hell.
@floisheremuch It also seems incredible to me how you can say science is a load of bullshit when you take for grantedmost of the things in your life that science has provided, fresh water, computers, lights.. youtube. Get over your linear belife in a crazy story that even *The Pope* has said is a myth and accept it.
@MGsven Primordial soup on the early earth. The experiment that stanley miller did which replicated these conditions showed that over 30 types of amino acids (the things that make up proteins which do all the functions in cells) were made, which leads on to more complex structures. google it
@MGsven Either way its a fair bit more sane than saying, yup, God made a man out of nothing and made a woman out of his rib a mere 6000 years ago, before which we even know early man was in the process of settling. You believe in a book that mentions unicorns as the real thing. LOL
@floisheremuch of course, but i dont believe in any of that bullshit either, its absolutely rediculious how this hovind guy talks, he is soo full of shit, but its funny, he keeps saying he doesnt want his tax dollars given to teaching evolution, but hes in jail now because he didnt pay any tax, lol
@MGsven Ahaha, sorry about that, thought you were batshit crazy for a moment ;) Ive seen a fair bit of hovinds work and he does not understand evolution at all, and keeps repeating this ridiculous point that has already been debunked.. I find it so funny that someone can actually believe that, probably because I live outside of the US where there are very few crazies around. But yeah, evolutionists have a far more reasonable theory, even if some areas are missing
@floisheremuch yeah he is the king of the straw man arguments, he talks about "evolitionists" there is no such thing, its a theory of science, but i think he knows the difference but doesnt care. he makes statements like, came from a rock, well abiogenisys has been proven, if u make the right situation life will form from warm water, hehe, life can form quite easily, leave an over date jar of anything and within a month bugs will come out :P, also he doesnt accept fossils for some stupid reasons
@floisheremuch but i gotta give he is a good debater, in 1 on 1 debates he comes with his retorical skills and tries to make evolution look stupid, and im sure it convinces people who dont know anything about the subject. its strange to me there is still discussion on this subject, im from holland and untill a few years ago i didnt realize there are actually people trying to say evolution is false. but yeah he doesnt even seem to realize his arguments are debunked, hehe, he is also a quote miner
@MGsven England (: I know, he does have the knack, but he uses repeated points, and points that are false which is irritating :L If you look at videos of him debating the 'graduate student' or the molecular geneticist he doesnt get the notion at all.. The bible has been used in the past (eg medieval britain) to control people, I think in part it still does today.. Its an ancient explanation for what they didnt know, but now we can explain easly.
@floisheremuch yeah too many people still today dont like to think about things and want a simple explanaton like the bible, even though we know its false already, but then there are those who get indoctrinated, especially in the usa with the homeschooling. . and religious people cant be agrued with, they are so certain of their religion they bend any logic to make it fit
@MGsven Its a shame, because its only through upbringing that these people have been made to believe such horsecrap. Chances are if Hovind or Comfort or any other crazy was bron in the middle east he would beleive in Allah, or if he had been born in ancient egypt would be worshiping Hotep-Ra. Homeschooling basically isolates them from the truth. Fortunately there are people who have been brought up in with a reasonable set of ideas to say that theyre wrong :L
@floisheremuch eah know very true my country has a ridiculous amount of Christians in it, I actually joined the Marine Corps a few years back and have met a vast amount of people some of those being HEAVY heavy Christians and they are seriously the most deluded kind of people on this earth
@BARNEYRAPEDME69 Im glad we have very few of those in england, people who are Christians tend to be old or the sort of odd creepy people ;L Only 0.2% of america's prison population are athiests :D
@MGsven Either way its a fair bit more sane than saying, "yup, God made a man out of nothing and made a woman out of his rib a mere 6000 years ago, before which we even know early man was in the process of settling." You believe in a book that mentions unicorns as the real thing. LOL.
I love this video. the guy got stumped 3 times. also shows how badly he cherry picks anything including the bible. also the guy cant even seem to reference anything correct. he talks about being corrected, but a guy that makes such claims should really get his references right the first time. if he has a college degree he should know how to do it and it should be simple cause part of college if referencing research.
Dogs and wolves are the same species, Hovind is lying here and the caller isn't very educated about genus-species. At least not enough to call that disingenuous bit.
Canis domesticus? wtf? Dogs are Canis lupus familiarus. Laughable.
Scientists everywhere describe science as "best guess". there is no definitive answers from scientists on where we come from! (Fact). So my "best guess" is that you will die,and then nothingness for eternity.(sounds like a hell to me) or you face our creator God!
For Kent to say; "Our DNA knowledge amounts to almost nothing," is intentionally misleading & just plain dishonest. How they determine relationships within species via DNA is very well known. We certainly know enough about DNA to put people on death row.
I do not care what you believe, Hovind. I care what you can demonstrate. I do not care what you think about other people's beliefs, and I do not care about their beliefs, either. I care what can be demonstrated. That's it. I don't think he will ever get this.
Hovind is always changing the matter, when he hasn't got a clue...so he does that very often. There are only three options: He is naiv, ignorant or lying on purpose (maybe for the money).
Ken Hovind is right.....The evolution theory is very misleading.......Intimidating theories with a bunch of lies written in text books that are taught as fact....Where do they get that a fox turned into a whale...That is so illogical....And then the gorilla ancestors.....And all the other crap..
Nobody claims that whales came from foxes or that human beings came from gorillas. Try reading some books on evolution instead getting your information from shitty creationist sites.
@MomoTheBellyDancer Yes evolution claims that whales evolved from pakecetus or 4 footed hoofed animals.There would have to be a hell of alot of morphological changes to take place for this...I think it is ludacrist....I have alot more factual information than that that comes from evolutionary fallacies.Are you so soaked with evolution that you think it is all fact and not flawed ? to say the least...Are you convinced by that crap? Even many scientists are skeptical...Evolution lacks empirical .
I think I counted about 6 straw men... and 'creationists' accusing 'scientists' of preconceptions???? Wow! Some of many points... The tree of life: the fossil record matches the DNA record. Some small mammals split from their peers became dogs, at another time others became bears. Scientists have recently created life in a lab. Evolution says NOTHING about abiogenesis. Let me throw Hovind a bone... IF there IS a god he used Evolution. Get over it.
@RJMacReady16 You can't win using logic and raionality against someone who has no sense of logic or rationality.....its certainly more difficult of the person you are debating can use the arguement of magic.
dogs? - dogs are a man made species, man tamed the local wolves and mated the best for us traits, and eventualy we got dogs, we got big dogs by mating the big wolves with big wolves, and smal dogs guess what we mated small wolves, wolves are not dogs there an ancestor of dogs, there are no wolves the exact same from that time they have diverged, just like dogs and are no longer the same species as before
Awesome debate! All the people who call Hovind uneducated or crazy or stupid are themselves merely sheeple who follow unproved religion (evolution) themselves.
@vladolenin about their position because they can't afford to. They deal in absolutes. Evolution can withstand scutiny and inquiry while creationism will not. It's not about ego or pride, it's about facts and evidence and evolution has it....the simply fact that you fail to see that is the human condition, we all want different things and sometimes when the things we hold dear are challenged we sit on them like a stone without logic, without reason.
@Antimidation If there are no absolutes, reality does not exist. If you dont believe that to be the case then your entire understanding of life is a shapeless, floating mass of facts/opinions/conjectures that dont lead anywhere. Life has purpose my friend, you and I were created by God for His good pleasure. Yes, Jesus is The Rock.
As for these so called "facts of evolution". There are none. There is evidence for adaptation, but none for the transformation of one type of animal into another.
@vladolenin I'm sorry, but you are just wrong my friend. And this isn't a belief system, i accept evolution...i do not "believe" in it. Heres the thing...why are you challenged by such a thing as evolution? Why is it such a hot button issue for a lot of you Theists anyways? My entire understanding of life is not baseless or shapeless...the world is a lot more beautiful when you understand how it works instead of taking everything on faith. Do you have an issue with knowledge?
@vladolenin You seem to think that evolution some how challenges your faith or your belief system, it does not. It is without a doubt the most accurate scientific theory to describe how life evolved and became as diverse as it is today. Why do you ignore the facts? Transitional fossils again? Are you kidding me? You guys still use this absurd argument? Every fossil you have ever seen is a transitional fossil, even if i gave you prime examples of transitional fossils would you believe me?
@IrnBruDude000 Could be that it may of evolved into a exclusively water breathing animal. They spent a lot of time in the water even as primarily land dinos. Ultimately the line was probably cut short due to extinction. I know little of that particular dinosaur. I know they were known to be one of the largest species...probably only second to Titanosaurs.
Many university teachers fear debating Hovind and some did debate him and many won't debate him again. If he's an "ignorant", wont they debate him? Some would debate him in a group but not one-on-one. Why won't Richard Dawkins debate him? Just curious.. Why don't you guys debate him since you're posting comments and doing a straw-man attack that you so criticize?
@RockUgud: They don't'fear' him at all. See the video on why Richard Dawkins won't debate Creationists.
1. You give them a platform, and credibility which they have done nothing to earn - why should they get a free ride for being consistently lazy and dishonest?
2. They are too arrogant to change their minds, so you are essentially wasting your life talking to them. You cannot satisfy them all. Remember, the ignorant are legion. See Ray Comfort for a good example.
@EddieTheFishReturns Evolutionists constantly say theyre "too good" or their time "too precious" to waste on debate with christians/creationists. That is, unless theyre invited on some hyped up show to present their views without a challenge. By "legion of the ignorant" you mean those with a different theory or opinion. Thats weak sauce man...
Bible is truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life while man tends to get caught in fraud more than he would care to admit.
@vladolenin Evolution isn't in debate, it's only undermined, misquoted, misunderstood, misinterpreted, and explained dishonestly by creationists. Heres the thing.....evolution will withstand all these things, it's backed by 95% of the scientific community whether you like it or not, and last time i checked, you don't have to LIKE something in order for it to be true. You can talk all you want about biasness and "hidden" information but the truth is, no creationist has ever been honest.....
@Antimidation More importantly it is backed by 99.99% of the scientists with a relevant background. There are roughly the same percentage of people who admit to believing the earth is flat as there are qualified scientists who dispute evolution.
@emekonen Oh I know, Dawkins would jump on any opportunity to disprove religion - he sees red when someone even mentions God. In every debate of his that I have watched it seems his real beef is not with the believers but with the One they believe in. It practically offends him for there to be a God. Check out religiondotblogsdotcnndotcom - why some people hate God, its eye opening.
@emekonen I havent watched that one yet but I will. And yes, Dawkins tends to skip past the points of interest of the opposing viewpoint by pushing his rhetoric to the point of a debative impass.
I have read Kent Hovind's doctoral dissertation from the Patriot University. It may be a diploma mill, but it should still have some standards. I would be embarrassed to have judged this document as worthy of anything except the trash can. Poorly written, full of spelling errors and grammatical mistakes (what exactly was Kim Van Gundy doing?), misquotes and misinterpretation. My kid couldn't get away with writing an essay as poorly laid out and written as this.
Kent hovinds doctoral thesis: Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. I am a creation/science evangelist. I live in Pensacola, Florida. I have been a high school science teacher since 1976. I've been very active in the creation/evolution controversy for quite some time.
Approximate quote from the book Hovind was reading..."scientists theorize that earth began as a hot ball of rock. It rained on these rocks for millions of years and eventually came the primordial soup". Rain requires an atmosphere to form. An atmoshpere requires plantlife to maintain it. There is no possible way that earth evolved by way of Big Bang. Earth would still be a big ball of frozen rock in open space at absolute zero. Rain would never have hapened.
wow, the Belfast caller just absolutely decimates Hovind in reasonable thinking alone, if not with knowledge in the field of evolution. It's funny to hear Hovind always trying to give examples and analogy's of Muslims and things that just don't apply to the conversation.
Its quite telling that Hovind continues to say "A 5 year old could tell that...." 5 year olds are incredibly ignorant by nature of not knowing anything about the world.
He knows he can't support creationism with any real evidence so instead he tries to destroy the evolutionist position with strawman arguments and just straight out lies.
He does not produce one single piece of actual evidence in support of creationism.
He can't do that of course for one simple reason ... and that is that this evidence simply doesn't exist
Wait - he is concerned with text books bought with tax dollars, but he doesn't pay taxes. Oh, I guess he was being sarcastic when he said books that he payed for with his tax dollars.
@g24417 No,he lives what he believes.Do you like paying taxes to an evil fed?He stood up and it landed him in prison.Land of the free?how many laws are there now anyway?don't be sheeple think for your self it's allowed ya know,for now.
@roscoeisthecoolest You're right, he is an idiot believing idiotic things and then doing them. Bravo. As for your status as a sheeple, it is more obvious than you think.
@leehweht LMAO - you will believe any lies i guess - if you listen to his own recorded conversations from jail, you will see that he thinks he is in jail for not paying taxes. If you read the court transcripts you will see the court case is about him not paying taxes so uh - WTF are you on?
@g24417 he is in jail for "not withholding", "structuring transactions", and "threating an agent". he paid his taxes. the issue is that the government said he had to withhold taxes on the "employees" (college students) that worked at his ministry. § 3402. Income tax collected at source (n) says he doesnt have to withhold, if those full time students have no liability. No one claimed that the employees did not pay their taxes to the IRS, etc. but not paying taxes is not why you hate him.
@leehweht You know, if you want to split hairs on if this is about paying taxes - fine. However, he has said on record that he does not pay taxes and hasn't paid them in years and that no one has to pay taxes.
I hate him? Well, the world will be a better place when he dies, but hate him? If I did hate him it would be for his attempt to throw his own daughter under the bus and involve her in his legal troubles when she expressly told him she didn't want to be involved. Disgusting.
Check out "Why do people laugh at creationists" ... It's an excellent video series by Thunderf00t, here on YouTube ... Hovind is exposed for the creatard he is.
I heard one creationist using Hovind's train of thought. He sought to explain dragons.He proposed reptiles with small nostrils having to breathe faster with a change in the oxygen levels. The act of this quickened breathing through small nostrils was said to produce flames around their mouths & nose ... Is it possible to be more retarded ? Why do people laugh at creationists ? I wonder .
@MaitreyaRocket Actually it would stand to reason that an animal that would spit something from its mouth or nostrils that would cause a burning sensation would be categorized as fire by those that had encountered it. Simple logic wasted on you of course.
@MaitreyaRocket its a religion. Stop kidding yourself. All religion is convictions based on the same set of ideas and principals. Teach physics and math. Those are facts. Teach reading and writing. Don't teach theory. Teach of Theory and let a person make the choice. If you teach it in school, Teach both sides of the argument. You teach your religious theory. I will show proof of mine.
@Brothermorin Bromorin, The scientific theory of evolution (whether you believe it or not) has NO qualifiers to classify it as a "religion" It has NO magic or supernatural being (necessary to a religion) it has no worship, no deity of any kind. It is simply scientific theory. I know why you want to make science sound like religion.So you can say: "My beliefs are just as plausible as your "beliefs" Even Buddhism (sans the reincarnation some believe in) is not technically a religion.
@orangemod From Wiki- "A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
@jm091308 JM, you are missing the key thing: the supernatural. Without a deity, something isn't considered a religion. I know this said"especially" , but to be more descriptive as to what WE are talking about, Christian religion has the supernatural, science does not have ANY magical or supernatural beliefs. Could you find something that qualifies a religion without a deity? Sure, I suppose you could. Buddhism is very close. It is when you believe in re-incarnation because that is magic
@orangemod How did the big bang start? What Started it? Even an Atheist has to conceded that something or someone started it. Its still supernatural no matter what you believe in. There is no magic. Its simply power. There is the Power of God and then everything else. I don't even see how the arrogance of the man can say it doesnt exist.
@Brothermorin Good question Bromorin. No one really KNOWS. Sure, religions claim they know, some scientists are toying with ideas. But anyone who says they KNOW, needs to PROVE it. It doesn't discredit religion or science to say: "We just don't know right now" I don't think you being religious makes you a bad guy or anything else for that matter. Likewise science or Atheism does say anything more about me than I am interested in science & I don't buy what religion is selling. Cheers.
@orangemod And thats your right. God gave us the Gift of Free Will. So if you love Him and follow his directions, your blessings are eternal. If not, The damnation is just as bad. I have no ought against anyone. I'm simply trying to enlighten. If you can listen to one theory and accept it as fact, then you should at least here the other side.
@Brothermorin Yes, I do appreciate other people's ideas and listen to them. I'm into CIVIL discourse...we learn that way..everyone should. I do take exception with the idea of torture in this hell place just for not believing. Torture is barbaric. I would NEVER torture my kids even if they hated me or completely disobeyed me. Fortunately, that is no the case. Gotta head to work. Cheers, Dave
@Brothermorin - Again, you argue from ignorance. "I DON'T UNDERSTAND & I CAN'T REASON OTHERWISE HENCE A MAGIC SKY-DADDY DID IT" . Your reasoning is fallacious & fails everytime . You're taking proprties of the universe (cause & effect) & taking them outside of it with "0" knowledge & "0" reason. You seem to be under the impression that there was "nothing" at one point. Why? To postulate that leads to an infinite regression of causes that you want one exemption from.
@MaitreyaRocket Its not about understanding, its about evidence. All you keep saying is Sky daddy Sky Daddy. do you have a valid argument? Or do you just have more crap to spew out of your mouth about there was nothing, now there is everything. Your theory, popular or not, is full of holes. Your argument has a bunch of highly educated guessers that agree. Thats a religion buddy. Like it or not. Your still a cult! Hail to your Compound!
@Brothermorin - My theory ? Full of holes ? Do I have a valid argument concerning what? How can a theory I didn't present have anything it that you consider holes ? I didn't present one. Now you're deflecting. You said your argument was a "pit bull" . I haven't seen it. My guess is, you don't have one. When & if I present an arguement, you won't be quilified to understand it or debunk it. You made a positive claim. Now back it up .You can't, can you?
@MaitreyaRocket I got your theory. Here is mine. The world Flooded with millions of lives on it. Everything drowned. The earth was moved around over and over and as the water receded it caused valleys, peaks, lakes, and oceans. The water came from under the crust. As the Dirt settled it buried everything. Dino, human, plant, animal. Creating Oil. Grand Canyon, Rocky Mts. Pangea is a farce. Thats my theory. And its has more proof that anything else.
@MaitreyaRocket And there you go. Just being mean because you cant even explain your theory. Go for it. You have "0" understanding. Your just a troll you will take anyones opinion and argue with it. You have no beliefs, you have nothing you stand for. Your a joke. Your a liar. Your not even a good person. I will keep praying for you since your on your own path to Hell Anyway. Hopefully I can save you. But dont hold your breath.
@Brothermorin - Why should I waste my time debunking a thoroughly debunked, completely discredited idiot like Hovind ? No reason will reach you. What is it I've lied about ? Someone who doesn't share your retarded notions = a bad person with no beliefs & doesn't stand for anything . Is that correct ? Like I said , you dishonor yourself & your beliefs by not honestly seeking out the truth. Your fear of losing your entire indentity prevents you from even seeking out the truth.
@MaitreyaRocket im not asking you to debunk Hovind. Your a bad person because you just cuss and call names without having anything to stand behind you. So what your saying is your too cool to respond to my questions? What a crock. You have an extensive vocabulary maybe but have as much knowledge about evolution and scientific theory as a middle school girl. You are the weakest link. GOOD BYE!
@Brothermorin - It takes less scientific insight than a middle school girl to debunk Hovind. How honorless can you possibly be to parrot Hovind's retarded drivel without even a cursory knowledge of any science whatsoever. When you finally decide to engage yourself in honestly seeking truth, it'll hit you like a ton of bricks about just how wilfully ignorant you were. You have no shame. You have no honor. You are void of honesty.You're a small man intent on staying that way.
@MaitreyaRocket RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!! YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT INSULTS TO RETORT. Your not even worth having a conversation with anymore. If there was evidence contrary to my belief, You are certainly not the person to do it. Your a sad pathetic fool that is a liar and a bad person. You should stop typing. Your making yourself look stupider and stupider.
@MaitreyaRocket Explain why the oceans get saltier every year? Explain why Niagara falls exists since it erodes feet per year? Sometimes lots of feet. Explain why geologist know that oil could not be held under the crust in the amount of pressure its under for more that 10,000 years? Explain why we are not covered in oil. Explain how during pangea they had to remove all of Central America and Australia.
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purdyr 7 months ago
Hovind always schools the nerds, and dorks! Evolutionism is such a joke. Its like a sitcom thats been running for almost 200 years. You have to be a sad little boy to defend evolutionism.
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 You probably don't know (ignorance is bliss in your state of mind) but people like you could very well be the downfall of the US. Rejecting not only biology but also almost ALL other sciences because of a silly old book is...well, words fail to describe your ignorance.
ronnystoehr 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 Your lack of a thought process frightens me
BARNEYRAPEDME69 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 He got owned. Shut up dickhead.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch Your a sad little boy. Ive never been called a d**khead before. That made me laugh pretty hard. Good one. Hovind didnt get owned. That word "owned" is only used by little boys who cant get girls. Only cowards, and nerds believe in evolutionism.
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 PAHAHA your whole argument just got demolished by the fact I have two X chromosomes. Nice scientific backup, reason, logic and wit you have there.. troll.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch So do I. So PAHAHA yourself. Your a sad little gitl then. Is that better, troll? Only cowards, and those who are not as smart as they think they are believe in the flawed hypothesis of evolutonism.
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 As compared to the sheep who follow blindly the words of religion and creationism, all of which have no evidence, and absolutely no place in the scientific world. "Not as smart as they think they are"? Tell that to scientists who have masses of qualifications. How many do you have, huh?
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch You dont have to look long to see there IS evidence for creation. Actually, anything else is impossible! The flawed hypothesis of evolutionism has no place in the scientific world either. Its just another religion in a long line of religions. So when you say "the sheep who blindly follow religion" you can include evolutionism in there as well. There is absolutely no getting around that! "Qualified" scientist get exiled for speaking out in truth, so qualifications are mean nothing
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 Show me ONE infallible peice of evidence for creation. Evolution has proved to be possible You are to obtuse to see it. It is the backbone of biology. Evolution is not a religion, it is a fact. God is false. I have seen the evidence for evolution and the other theories that correspond with it and there is no denying it. You are a dying breed. - Show me one peice of evidence for creationism that is indestructable. Or go home.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch Everything you say can be turned around on you. The pot calling the kettle black so to speak. To say "God is false" you have to claim that you know absolutely everything there is to know. I doubt you know everything. To say that evolution is the "backbone of biology" is insane! Its a religion, and nothing more. It takes more faith to believe that mess of a hypothesis than it does to believe in the tooth fairy. I agree that Im a dying breed. A young person who can reason.
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 I am a young person who was raised on creation but examined the interlocking evidences (fossil record, geology, dating of radioactive materials etc) and realised that it is a THEORY with lots of backing, and it is likely correct. "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power" is the definition of religion. Evolution is a process, and unlike religion it doesnt need faith to belive in it, it has PROOF. The creation story does nothing but shrink knowledge.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch Thanks for giving me the "interlocking evidences" you BELIEVE to be "proves" of evolutionism. Fossils prove nothing except death, and could just a easily be evidence of a flood. Geology is the study of earth, and the processes by which it is shaped, and changed. Its not proof of anything. Its a study. Dating methods have been shown to be horse crap! Evolutionism is a fairy tale. It takes so much faith to believe in that nonsense.
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 Actually it takes less than to believe the narrow minded veiw that the world is 6000 years old. the processes in which the earth is shaped take millions of years. The mass extinctions could not have been a flood. I suggest you look at potholer54's 'Noahs flood debunked" p1-2. It clearly explains it is a myth that european societies got over 100 years ago. Dating methods have not shown to be crap at all. Show me one peice of infalible evidence for creationism. Or go home.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch I am home. lol. I dont base my doubt in evolution on any story, or myth, or whatever you want to call it. It takes a whole lot more faith to believe in evolutioism than it does to believe atlas is holing the world on his shoulders, or that the world is flat! I dont have enough faith to believe in evolutionism! Please keep talking though. I get a great thrill from it! LMAO
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 You are avoiding my question, you childish idiot. Once peice of infallible evidence for creationism. I belive in evidence and the scientific reason, rather than going against what it has provided for us and beliveing in a fairytale from the dark ages. One peice of evidence. Or else dont bother arguing.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch LOL!!!!!! I love it!! Keep talking! You said it all when you said you dont believe in "going against what has been provided". In other words you dont believe in questioning those you respect. You except evolutionism because you were taught evolution. Back in the day you would have believed the Earth was flat. Or that big rocks fall faster than little rocks. Youve admited that you "dont believe in questioning the evidence provided". Thats the problem!
FlameGurl06 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 I am questioning them, and what I find is the proof stands up every time. You do not question the word of the bible at all.. Your childish mockings are your downfall.
NOW, I will say it again ONE PEICE OF INFALLIBLE EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM. You seem to have purposely ignored it the past two times, choosing instead to mock me, and ignore my points.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 How the fuck do you have 6 thumbs up?
itsmichellecullen 8 months ago
@itsmichellecullen Six people have shaky hands, that's all.
Jalookah 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 did you listen to the program at all? 3 people came on and practically proved evolution in 2 hours. they made kent look like a babbling moron. ignorance is bliss.
bigchurp 8 months ago
@bigchurp dumb fuck.
rockhardretard 7 months ago
@rockhardretard this is coming from a guy whos profile name is "rockhardretard".... funny how that works.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp like you said, its just a profile name. fuckface.
rockhardretard 7 months ago
@rockhardretard a profile name can show a lot of character in someone. Mine is silly while yours is, well, retarded. and just calling me dumb fuck does nothing to prove a point. at least explain why i am a dumb fuck before you go and try insulting me. quit trolling.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp Did you hear the same program as me? You've got to be kidding, right? Every argument presented to KH was answered with honesty and truth. You evolutionists think you're right even when the evidence is plastered right in front of you!! Maybe your ears and brain haven't fulled EVOLVED enough so you can't understand basic information and process it correctly. Maybe you were skipped over in evolution's plan to make things better. OPPS
figgytwo1 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 i can turn that comment right around to you. read what you write before you comment. you come off as a complete hypocrite. you think that geneticist near the end was lying? no, and kent couldnt even answer his question. and when people ask about where did it all begin, a true atheist would say we really dont know. but we can take a good guess from science, logic and reason. is that not truthful rather than pulling out god as the answer for everything when you really dont know?
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp You consider it logical to believe a theory that has been proven false because you will not accept the idea of a God. God forbid, that would be a terrible thing! So you continue on a dead end course that leads nowhere. I have accepted the belief that an eternal, all powerful God has created the universe and exists outside of time and space. God's thoughts are not obtainable for us because He is infinite and we are finite, but there is a source that has revealed Him to us
figgytwo1 7 months ago
@bigchurp If you want to believe in no God, that is your perrogative. If God Himself came to you and said "here I am," you would probably still refuse to believe and say He is just a figment of your imagination. If you wish to embrace a flawed theory over accepting something and Someone who is over all things and who created all things, go right ahead. But don't make us Christians out to be stupid. "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel is a good example of educated men abandoning your theory
figgytwo1 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 also we would love for you to prove us wrong. then we would be more accurate, but seeing as though the bible doesnt provide any real evidence for anything, your only source of "truth" is invalid. evidence for evolution is right in front of you but fear blinds you from it. fear of an eternal hell that makes you so deluded that you believe a flood from a really heavy rain mixed up all the soil almost a mile deep. logically that cant happen. that theory consists of magic.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp What's magic is your belief in a "theory" that is based on no real scientific evidence anyewhere. Everything came from nothing from a huge spark of everything that came from somewhere, but we don't really know where or how, or who. Now that is what I call ignorant and down right foolish, to say the least. The Bible aside, I still would believe in a creator rather than what you believe which is gasicallt a refusal to accept the concept of something or someone bigger than ourselves.
figgytwo1 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 first of all read the big band theory. but there is evidence for evolution everywhere. DNA is a huge example. we can find common ancestry in every living creature through dna. the big bang helps explain more than a bearded man did it. have answers in life ever been that simple? no i dont think so. and no we dont know where the universe started from and neither do you! at least im being honest. do you believe in gravity? thats just a theory, we cant really observe that
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp The complexity of DNA can't be explained through evolutionary theory. What goes on in each DNA is like a factory designed for perfect production and execution. To suggest that evolution, by chance, designed this perfect system is ludicrous. This system had to fully function from its conception or we or anything else around us wouldn't even be here. Common ancestry or common designer in every living thing. There is no evidence in the fossil record for evolution. STUDY THE LACK FOR E.
figgytwo1 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 do you know what dna is? it builds the perfect family tree for all animals known to man. and we can actually see this tree in transitional forms. this doesnt happen in a blink of an eye. just because it cant happen in 6000 years doesnt make it not true, except to you. and im sure i would accept god if i saw him and everyone else around me saw him. i would be so happy to know he is there trying to help me, i just dont see any solid evidence for him.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp I know what DNA is. No, I'm not a scientist, but I do know that DNA can not function without everything working in perfect unison. There is no way evolution can explain this, so for me I accept the concept of a Creator. It just makes alot more sense based on what we know to believe that than to believe in a flawed theory that at its best isn't even worth consideration. For me the evidence of a Creator is everywhere. I'm sorry you can't see it. I hope some day you will!
figgytwo1 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 and your theory isnt flawed? there are so many gaps in your theory as well. also includes racism, totalitarianism, sexism, slavery, etc. your theory started some of the greatest wars known to man. and tell me why evolution cant explain dna being in perfect unison? and dna is NOT perfect it is always evolving. thats why there is mutations, and some mutations are good and some bad. the good genes/dna mutations get passed along in the next gen. natural selection my friend.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 and if you dont see any solid evidence for evolution then fine whatever, we are alowed to have different opinions.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 but we accept gravity as a law. so why evolution any different? we have the fossil evidence and we are getting more and more precise in dating every day. if you dont want to accept that then ok. you have the right to an opinion, but dont sit there and argue about how i cant come up for an explanation for something so complex such as the universe cause you cant either. and isnt life worth living more if there is no eternal life? shouldnt we make the best of it? i think so.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@figgytwo1 and magic is when something defies the laws of physics. such as growing a new arm from nothing, or creating woman out of a rib. thats magic in your god theory. i accept the universe, is that not bigger than we can possibly imagine? if god is all powerful, just show himself to us. its not difficult he made the rules, i didnt. its not like he would be breaking some law higher than him that he has to abide.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp Nobody made Hovind look like a babbling moron. LOL. He was the only adult on the program.
FlameGurl06 7 months ago
@FlameGurl06 what are you talking about? can you tell me one practical application for young earth science? he couldnt answer that question and continuously dodged the question. and im sure he speaks for a lot of christians such as yourself considering every christian i have met on here hides behind him. the guy from ireland/ scotland was biological geneticist, im sure he knows what he is talking about.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp That man is from Wales, smart guy. I guess you werent paying attention. Typical.
FlameGurl06 7 months ago
@FlameGurl06 sorry i was paying attention to the parts that were important, not locations of people. your pretty smart too believing in a man in the sky with magical powers and his little fairies floating around sending messages to people (who are not by any means schizophrenic/ delusional) because that man cant talk to us directly because he would break the rules even though he MADE the rules. It just blows my mind why people dont believe in that. what is this world coming to? have fun in hell
bigchurp 7 months ago
@bigchurp I love emotional, irrational, uneducated, imature responses like that. Its one of the best things about YouTube! Thank you.
FlameGurl06 7 months ago
@FlameGurl06 your welcome. i just love how smart you are. im so immature when you were the one posting a comment about how i got a guys location wrong and stating i wasnt paying attention. congrats, you believe and nothing and are a hypocrite! enjoy hell.
bigchurp 7 months ago
@floisheremuch It also seems incredible to me how you can say science is a load of bullshit when you take for grantedmost of the things in your life that science has provided, fresh water, computers, lights.. youtube. Get over your linear belife in a crazy story that even *The Pope* has said is a myth and accept it.
/watch?v=e5ElhX38w3Q ,- noahs flood debunked btw.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 you must be the dumbest bitch in the world and you clearly do not have an education.
ventura433 8 months ago
@FlameGurl06 the truth hurts
SuperPatrick777 8 months ago
evolution doesnt say anything about where life came from
MGsven 8 months ago
@MGsven Primordial soup on the early earth. The experiment that stanley miller did which replicated these conditions showed that over 30 types of amino acids (the things that make up proteins which do all the functions in cells) were made, which leads on to more complex structures. google it
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch thats abiogenisys, not evolution, my point was that "we came from a rock" is nonsense
so because evolution doesnt explain the origen of life its a strawman argument
MGsven 8 months ago
@MGsven Either way its a fair bit more sane than saying, yup, God made a man out of nothing and made a woman out of his rib a mere 6000 years ago, before which we even know early man was in the process of settling. You believe in a book that mentions unicorns as the real thing. LOL
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch of course, but i dont believe in any of that bullshit either, its absolutely rediculious how this hovind guy talks, he is soo full of shit, but its funny, he keeps saying he doesnt want his tax dollars given to teaching evolution, but hes in jail now because he didnt pay any tax, lol
MGsven 8 months ago
@MGsven Ahaha, sorry about that, thought you were batshit crazy for a moment ;) Ive seen a fair bit of hovinds work and he does not understand evolution at all, and keeps repeating this ridiculous point that has already been debunked.. I find it so funny that someone can actually believe that, probably because I live outside of the US where there are very few crazies around. But yeah, evolutionists have a far more reasonable theory, even if some areas are missing
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch yeah he is the king of the straw man arguments, he talks about "evolitionists" there is no such thing, its a theory of science, but i think he knows the difference but doesnt care. he makes statements like, came from a rock, well abiogenisys has been proven, if u make the right situation life will form from warm water, hehe, life can form quite easily, leave an over date jar of anything and within a month bugs will come out :P, also he doesnt accept fossils for some stupid reasons
MGsven 8 months ago
@floisheremuch but i gotta give he is a good debater, in 1 on 1 debates he comes with his retorical skills and tries to make evolution look stupid, and im sure it convinces people who dont know anything about the subject. its strange to me there is still discussion on this subject, im from holland and untill a few years ago i didnt realize there are actually people trying to say evolution is false. but yeah he doesnt even seem to realize his arguments are debunked, hehe, he is also a quote miner
MGsven 8 months ago
@MGsven England (: I know, he does have the knack, but he uses repeated points, and points that are false which is irritating :L If you look at videos of him debating the 'graduate student' or the molecular geneticist he doesnt get the notion at all.. The bible has been used in the past (eg medieval britain) to control people, I think in part it still does today.. Its an ancient explanation for what they didnt know, but now we can explain easly.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch yeah too many people still today dont like to think about things and want a simple explanaton like the bible, even though we know its false already, but then there are those who get indoctrinated, especially in the usa with the homeschooling. . and religious people cant be agrued with, they are so certain of their religion they bend any logic to make it fit
MGsven 8 months ago
@MGsven Its a shame, because its only through upbringing that these people have been made to believe such horsecrap. Chances are if Hovind or Comfort or any other crazy was bron in the middle east he would beleive in Allah, or if he had been born in ancient egypt would be worshiping Hotep-Ra. Homeschooling basically isolates them from the truth. Fortunately there are people who have been brought up in with a reasonable set of ideas to say that theyre wrong :L
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@floisheremuch hehe, exactly
MGsven 8 months ago
@floisheremuch eah know very true my country has a ridiculous amount of Christians in it, I actually joined the Marine Corps a few years back and have met a vast amount of people some of those being HEAVY heavy Christians and they are seriously the most deluded kind of people on this earth
BARNEYRAPEDME69 8 months ago
@BARNEYRAPEDME69 Im glad we have very few of those in england, people who are Christians tend to be old or the sort of odd creepy people ;L Only 0.2% of america's prison population are athiests :D
floisheremuch 8 months ago
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@MGsven Either way its a fair bit more sane than saying, "yup, God made a man out of nothing and made a woman out of his rib a mere 6000 years ago, before which we even know early man was in the process of settling." You believe in a book that mentions unicorns as the real thing. LOL.
floisheremuch 8 months ago
Excellent mediation / questioning. I am happy to subscribe.
Pichounator 8 months ago
Is the first caller PZ Myers? It sounds a lot like him and how he argues. I really enjoyed his points.
Turin35 8 months ago
wow, i wish they would point out to hovind that cars are not biological entities & thus not susceptible to biological evolution
gta747 8 months ago
I love this video. the guy got stumped 3 times. also shows how badly he cherry picks anything including the bible. also the guy cant even seem to reference anything correct. he talks about being corrected, but a guy that makes such claims should really get his references right the first time. if he has a college degree he should know how to do it and it should be simple cause part of college if referencing research.
bigchurp 9 months ago
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hovind is right they think we came from a rock.....
katharinmoon 9 months ago
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Dogs and wolves are the same species, Hovind is lying here and the caller isn't very educated about genus-species. At least not enough to call that disingenuous bit.
Canis domesticus? wtf? Dogs are Canis lupus familiarus. Laughable.
AceofDlamonds 9 months ago
"If I kill a lizard on my front porch I don't write a book about it"
"I WOULD!" ahahaha
I LOL'd even harder
AceofDlamonds 9 months ago
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"But I would consider that you are at least moving in the right direction"
I LOL'd
AceofDlamonds 9 months ago
Scientists everywhere describe science as "best guess". there is no definitive answers from scientists on where we come from! (Fact). So my "best guess" is that you will die,and then nothingness for eternity.(sounds like a hell to me) or you face our creator God!
theshivinthedark 9 months ago
Kent is way smarter lol he rocked this deal
MrAlmightyWarrior 9 months ago
For Kent to say; "Our DNA knowledge amounts to almost nothing," is intentionally misleading & just plain dishonest. How they determine relationships within species via DNA is very well known. We certainly know enough about DNA to put people on death row.
Evidence for Evolution:
* Atavisms (tail buds) & Vestigial Organs (Nictitating eye-fold in humans).
* ERVs
* Pharyngeal Arches (NOT Gills)
Hovind denies Evolution with tons of evidence, but does believe in a ghost-god he read about.
Cootabux 9 months ago
I do not care what you believe, Hovind. I care what you can demonstrate. I do not care what you think about other people's beliefs, and I do not care about their beliefs, either. I care what can be demonstrated. That's it. I don't think he will ever get this.
PachucoDesigns 9 months ago
I just love it when the guy correctly interprets the scientific journals. Hovind has no way to react! Is a beautiful thing!
maskofsan1ty 9 months ago
Observe a dog being born from a rock? .... *WTF*
clintonskakun 9 months ago
Kent Hovind is soo smart but soooo stupid at the same time.
jjepperson082692 9 months ago
Just sat through this whole program while browsing other pages on the web and whatnot. had some great parts and some not so great.
Good show, thank you to everyone involved.
Sproggleton 9 months ago
Hovind is always changing the matter, when he hasn't got a clue...so he does that very often. There are only three options: He is naiv, ignorant or lying on purpose (maybe for the money).
gastarbeiter1 9 months ago
conman !,believed by slack jawed members of the public....i just dont know what to say anymore, this makes me sick :(
spinlessbastard1 9 months ago
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Bellantoni 9 months ago
Ken Hovind is right.....The evolution theory is very misleading.......Intimidating theories with a bunch of lies written in text books that are taught as fact....Where do they get that a fox turned into a whale...That is so illogical....And then the gorilla ancestors.....And all the other crap..
Cherubim64 10 months ago
@Cherubim64 Your post is meant to be a joke, right?
gmn545 10 months ago
@Cherubim64
Nobody claims that whales came from foxes or that human beings came from gorillas. Try reading some books on evolution instead getting your information from shitty creationist sites.
MomoTheBellyDancer 9 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer Yes evolution claims that whales evolved from pakecetus or 4 footed hoofed animals.There would have to be a hell of alot of morphological changes to take place for this...I think it is ludacrist....I have alot more factual information than that that comes from evolutionary fallacies.Are you so soaked with evolution that you think it is all fact and not flawed ? to say the least...Are you convinced by that crap? Even many scientists are skeptical...Evolution lacks empirical .
Cherubim64 8 months ago
@Cherubim64
"evolution claims that whales evolved from pakecetus or 4 footed hoofed animals."
Evolution claims nothing. It just happens. And have you ever seen any hoofed foxes?
"There would have to be a hell of alot of morphological changes to take place for this"
Which took 7 million years, which is more than long enough.
"..Are you convinced by that crap?"
I am convinced by the evidence. I am totally unconvinced by arguments from personal incredulity like yours.
MomoTheBellyDancer 8 months ago
Evolution=Change over time. That is all there are not 6 definitions. just the one, and the six he made up
chris0bannon 10 months ago
I think I counted about 6 straw men... and 'creationists' accusing 'scientists' of preconceptions???? Wow! Some of many points... The tree of life: the fossil record matches the DNA record. Some small mammals split from their peers became dogs, at another time others became bears. Scientists have recently created life in a lab. Evolution says NOTHING about abiogenesis. Let me throw Hovind a bone... IF there IS a god he used Evolution. Get over it.
MrRouXRenard 10 months ago
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emekonen 10 months ago
Just can't win against Hovind. Always a helluva lot of fun to hear people trying, though.
RJMacReady16 10 months ago
@RJMacReady16 You can't win using logic and raionality against someone who has no sense of logic or rationality.....its certainly more difficult of the person you are debating can use the arguement of magic.
tubiejonny 10 months ago
dogs? - dogs are a man made species, man tamed the local wolves and mated the best for us traits, and eventualy we got dogs, we got big dogs by mating the big wolves with big wolves, and smal dogs guess what we mated small wolves, wolves are not dogs there an ancestor of dogs, there are no wolves the exact same from that time they have diverged, just like dogs and are no longer the same species as before
AtheistOnTheMove 10 months ago
Awesome debate! All the people who call Hovind uneducated or crazy or stupid are themselves merely sheeple who follow unproved religion (evolution) themselves.
vladolenin 10 months ago
@vladolenin knowledgeble in his delusion, cetainly not intelligent.
kram83au 10 months ago
Depends on your definition of "crazy".
vladolenin 10 months ago
@vladolenin about their position because they can't afford to. They deal in absolutes. Evolution can withstand scutiny and inquiry while creationism will not. It's not about ego or pride, it's about facts and evidence and evolution has it....the simply fact that you fail to see that is the human condition, we all want different things and sometimes when the things we hold dear are challenged we sit on them like a stone without logic, without reason.
Antimidation 10 months ago
@Antimidation If there are no absolutes, reality does not exist. If you dont believe that to be the case then your entire understanding of life is a shapeless, floating mass of facts/opinions/conjectures that dont lead anywhere. Life has purpose my friend, you and I were created by God for His good pleasure. Yes, Jesus is The Rock.
As for these so called "facts of evolution". There are none. There is evidence for adaptation, but none for the transformation of one type of animal into another.
vladolenin 10 months ago
@vladolenin Enjoy your non-existence, Muppet :-)
MrRouXRenard 10 months ago
@vladolenin I'm sorry, but you are just wrong my friend. And this isn't a belief system, i accept evolution...i do not "believe" in it. Heres the thing...why are you challenged by such a thing as evolution? Why is it such a hot button issue for a lot of you Theists anyways? My entire understanding of life is not baseless or shapeless...the world is a lot more beautiful when you understand how it works instead of taking everything on faith. Do you have an issue with knowledge?
Antimidation 9 months ago
@vladolenin You seem to think that evolution some how challenges your faith or your belief system, it does not. It is without a doubt the most accurate scientific theory to describe how life evolved and became as diverse as it is today. Why do you ignore the facts? Transitional fossils again? Are you kidding me? You guys still use this absurd argument? Every fossil you have ever seen is a transitional fossil, even if i gave you prime examples of transitional fossils would you believe me?
Antimidation 9 months ago
@Antimidation what do you suppose Brachiosaurus evolved into?
IrnBruDude000 9 months ago
@IrnBruDude000 Could be that it may of evolved into a exclusively water breathing animal. They spent a lot of time in the water even as primarily land dinos. Ultimately the line was probably cut short due to extinction. I know little of that particular dinosaur. I know they were known to be one of the largest species...probably only second to Titanosaurs.
Antimidation 9 months ago
Many university teachers fear debating Hovind and some did debate him and many won't debate him again. If he's an "ignorant", wont they debate him? Some would debate him in a group but not one-on-one. Why won't Richard Dawkins debate him? Just curious.. Why don't you guys debate him since you're posting comments and doing a straw-man attack that you so criticize?
RockUgud 11 months ago
@RockUgud: They don't'fear' him at all. See the video on why Richard Dawkins won't debate Creationists.
1. You give them a platform, and credibility which they have done nothing to earn - why should they get a free ride for being consistently lazy and dishonest?
2. They are too arrogant to change their minds, so you are essentially wasting your life talking to them. You cannot satisfy them all. Remember, the ignorant are legion. See Ray Comfort for a good example.
EddieTheFishReturns 11 months ago
@EddieTheFishReturns Evolutionists constantly say theyre "too good" or their time "too precious" to waste on debate with christians/creationists. That is, unless theyre invited on some hyped up show to present their views without a challenge. By "legion of the ignorant" you mean those with a different theory or opinion. Thats weak sauce man...
Bible is truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life while man tends to get caught in fraud more than he would care to admit.
vladolenin 10 months ago
@vladolenin: Oh my. After that, I really have to ask you a serious question: are you bat-shit crazy or something?
EddieTheFishReturns 10 months ago
@vladolenin Evolution isn't in debate, it's only undermined, misquoted, misunderstood, misinterpreted, and explained dishonestly by creationists. Heres the thing.....evolution will withstand all these things, it's backed by 95% of the scientific community whether you like it or not, and last time i checked, you don't have to LIKE something in order for it to be true. You can talk all you want about biasness and "hidden" information but the truth is, no creationist has ever been honest.....
Antimidation 10 months ago
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emekonen 10 months ago
@Antimidation More importantly it is backed by 99.99% of the scientists with a relevant background. There are roughly the same percentage of people who admit to believing the earth is flat as there are qualified scientists who dispute evolution.
g24417 9 months ago
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emekonen 10 months ago
@emekonen Oh I know, Dawkins would jump on any opportunity to disprove religion - he sees red when someone even mentions God. In every debate of his that I have watched it seems his real beef is not with the believers but with the One they believe in. It practically offends him for there to be a God. Check out religiondotblogsdotcnndotcom - why some people hate God, its eye opening.
Those who hate God love death. Proverbs 8:36.
vladolenin 10 months ago
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emekonen 10 months ago
@emekonen I havent watched that one yet but I will. And yes, Dawkins tends to skip past the points of interest of the opposing viewpoint by pushing his rhetoric to the point of a debative impass.
vladolenin 10 months ago
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emekonen 10 months ago
I have read Kent Hovind's doctoral dissertation from the Patriot University. It may be a diploma mill, but it should still have some standards. I would be embarrassed to have judged this document as worthy of anything except the trash can. Poorly written, full of spelling errors and grammatical mistakes (what exactly was Kim Van Gundy doing?), misquotes and misinterpretation. My kid couldn't get away with writing an essay as poorly laid out and written as this.
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emekonen 10 months ago
@murdocha Please tell me where I can read it? It would make my day!
littleflags 9 months ago
@littleflags It was on WikiLeaks. You could google for it, too. :o
thedolphin111 9 months ago
@thedolphin111 thanks but i already found it. it's unreadable!
littleflags 9 months ago
@littleflags ikr. What the hell was his university thinking?
thedolphin111 9 months ago
@murdocha
Did you hear that the overall paper was rated on a level a 7th grader would understand. - 7.0
AceofDlamonds 9 months ago
@AceofDlamonds I think even a Grade 7 student would pick that apart.
murdocha 9 months ago
Kent hovinds doctoral thesis: Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. I am a creation/science evangelist. I live in Pensacola, Florida. I have been a high school science teacher since 1976. I've been very active in the creation/evolution controversy for quite some time.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Approximate quote from the book Hovind was reading..."scientists theorize that earth began as a hot ball of rock. It rained on these rocks for millions of years and eventually came the primordial soup". Rain requires an atmosphere to form. An atmoshpere requires plantlife to maintain it. There is no possible way that earth evolved by way of Big Bang. Earth would still be a big ball of frozen rock in open space at absolute zero. Rain would never have hapened.
mozartgenetics 11 months ago
wow, the Belfast caller just absolutely decimates Hovind in reasonable thinking alone, if not with knowledge in the field of evolution. It's funny to hear Hovind always trying to give examples and analogy's of Muslims and things that just don't apply to the conversation.
Zaphanath 11 months ago
Its quite telling that Hovind continues to say "A 5 year old could tell that...." 5 year olds are incredibly ignorant by nature of not knowing anything about the world.
lormendi 11 months ago
30:22 "we did that" bahahahaha
getblowd407 11 months ago
10 minutes in and only one side sounds smart, hovind
getblowd407 11 months ago
@getblowd407 Yeah, if you're as misinformed and ignorant as he is.
lormendi 11 months ago
@getblowd407 Sounds smart maybe, but that is a common effect of delusion.
g24417 11 months ago
He knows he can't support creationism with any real evidence so instead he tries to destroy the evolutionist position with strawman arguments and just straight out lies.
He does not produce one single piece of actual evidence in support of creationism.
He can't do that of course for one simple reason ... and that is that this evidence simply doesn't exist
bustermk2 11 months ago
Is that Aronra at 1:38?
DaGavinX 11 months ago
Kent Hovind basicly doesn't understand any type of evolution.
DaGavinX 11 months ago
Is the first caller PZ Myers?
GregMc0001 11 months ago
Wait - he is concerned with text books bought with tax dollars, but he doesn't pay taxes. Oh, I guess he was being sarcastic when he said books that he payed for with his tax dollars.
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I lol'd :D
ulthea 11 months ago
@g24417 No,he lives what he believes.Do you like paying taxes to an evil fed?He stood up and it landed him in prison.Land of the free?how many laws are there now anyway?don't be sheeple think for your self it's allowed ya know,for now.
roscoeisthecoolest 10 months ago
@roscoeisthecoolest You're right, he is an idiot believing idiotic things and then doing them. Bravo. As for your status as a sheeple, it is more obvious than you think.
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 FYI... he paid his taxes, he was not put in jail for not paying his taxes..
leehweht 10 months ago
@leehweht LMAO - you will believe any lies i guess - if you listen to his own recorded conversations from jail, you will see that he thinks he is in jail for not paying taxes. If you read the court transcripts you will see the court case is about him not paying taxes so uh - WTF are you on?
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 he is in jail for "not withholding", "structuring transactions", and "threating an agent". he paid his taxes. the issue is that the government said he had to withhold taxes on the "employees" (college students) that worked at his ministry. § 3402. Income tax collected at source (n) says he doesnt have to withhold, if those full time students have no liability. No one claimed that the employees did not pay their taxes to the IRS, etc. but not paying taxes is not why you hate him.
leehweht 10 months ago
@leehweht You know, if you want to split hairs on if this is about paying taxes - fine. However, he has said on record that he does not pay taxes and hasn't paid them in years and that no one has to pay taxes.
I hate him? Well, the world will be a better place when he dies, but hate him? If I did hate him it would be for his attempt to throw his own daughter under the bus and involve her in his legal troubles when she expressly told him she didn't want to be involved. Disgusting.
g24417 10 months ago
@g24417 I guess he no longer wanted to pay for lies... sounds reasonable to me!
kc0itf 9 months ago
Check out "Why do people laugh at creationists" ... It's an excellent video series by Thunderf00t, here on YouTube ... Hovind is exposed for the creatard he is.
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
I heard one creationist using Hovind's train of thought. He sought to explain dragons.He proposed reptiles with small nostrils having to breathe faster with a change in the oxygen levels. The act of this quickened breathing through small nostrils was said to produce flames around their mouths & nose ... Is it possible to be more retarded ? Why do people laugh at creationists ? I wonder .
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket Actually it would stand to reason that an animal that would spit something from its mouth or nostrils that would cause a burning sensation would be categorized as fire by those that had encountered it. Simple logic wasted on you of course.
Brothermorin 11 months ago
Atheism isn't a religion ... It's a personal relationship with reality .
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago 2
@MaitreyaRocket its a religion. Stop kidding yourself. All religion is convictions based on the same set of ideas and principals. Teach physics and math. Those are facts. Teach reading and writing. Don't teach theory. Teach of Theory and let a person make the choice. If you teach it in school, Teach both sides of the argument. You teach your religious theory. I will show proof of mine.
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@Brothermorin Bromorin, The scientific theory of evolution (whether you believe it or not) has NO qualifiers to classify it as a "religion" It has NO magic or supernatural being (necessary to a religion) it has no worship, no deity of any kind. It is simply scientific theory. I know why you want to make science sound like religion.So you can say: "My beliefs are just as plausible as your "beliefs" Even Buddhism (sans the reincarnation some believe in) is not technically a religion.
orangemod 11 months ago
@orangemod From Wiki- "A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
Sounds like your science to me.
jm091308 11 months ago
@jm091308 JM, you are missing the key thing: the supernatural. Without a deity, something isn't considered a religion. I know this said"especially" , but to be more descriptive as to what WE are talking about, Christian religion has the supernatural, science does not have ANY magical or supernatural beliefs. Could you find something that qualifies a religion without a deity? Sure, I suppose you could. Buddhism is very close. It is when you believe in re-incarnation because that is magic
orangemod 11 months ago
@orangemod How did the big bang start? What Started it? Even an Atheist has to conceded that something or someone started it. Its still supernatural no matter what you believe in. There is no magic. Its simply power. There is the Power of God and then everything else. I don't even see how the arrogance of the man can say it doesnt exist.
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@Brothermorin Good question Bromorin. No one really KNOWS. Sure, religions claim they know, some scientists are toying with ideas. But anyone who says they KNOW, needs to PROVE it. It doesn't discredit religion or science to say: "We just don't know right now" I don't think you being religious makes you a bad guy or anything else for that matter. Likewise science or Atheism does say anything more about me than I am interested in science & I don't buy what religion is selling. Cheers.
orangemod 11 months ago
@orangemod And thats your right. God gave us the Gift of Free Will. So if you love Him and follow his directions, your blessings are eternal. If not, The damnation is just as bad. I have no ought against anyone. I'm simply trying to enlighten. If you can listen to one theory and accept it as fact, then you should at least here the other side.
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@Brothermorin Yes, I do appreciate other people's ideas and listen to them. I'm into CIVIL discourse...we learn that way..everyone should. I do take exception with the idea of torture in this hell place just for not believing. Torture is barbaric. I would NEVER torture my kids even if they hated me or completely disobeyed me. Fortunately, that is no the case. Gotta head to work. Cheers, Dave
orangemod 11 months ago
@Brothermorin - Again, you argue from ignorance. "I DON'T UNDERSTAND & I CAN'T REASON OTHERWISE HENCE A MAGIC SKY-DADDY DID IT" . Your reasoning is fallacious & fails everytime . You're taking proprties of the universe (cause & effect) & taking them outside of it with "0" knowledge & "0" reason. You seem to be under the impression that there was "nothing" at one point. Why? To postulate that leads to an infinite regression of causes that you want one exemption from.
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket Its not about understanding, its about evidence. All you keep saying is Sky daddy Sky Daddy. do you have a valid argument? Or do you just have more crap to spew out of your mouth about there was nothing, now there is everything. Your theory, popular or not, is full of holes. Your argument has a bunch of highly educated guessers that agree. Thats a religion buddy. Like it or not. Your still a cult! Hail to your Compound!
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@Brothermorin - My theory ? Full of holes ? Do I have a valid argument concerning what? How can a theory I didn't present have anything it that you consider holes ? I didn't present one. Now you're deflecting. You said your argument was a "pit bull" . I haven't seen it. My guess is, you don't have one. When & if I present an arguement, you won't be quilified to understand it or debunk it. You made a positive claim. Now back it up .You can't, can you?
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket I got your theory. Here is mine. The world Flooded with millions of lives on it. Everything drowned. The earth was moved around over and over and as the water receded it caused valleys, peaks, lakes, and oceans. The water came from under the crust. As the Dirt settled it buried everything. Dino, human, plant, animal. Creating Oil. Grand Canyon, Rocky Mts. Pangea is a farce. Thats my theory. And its has more proof that anything else.
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@Brothermorin - That's not a theory . You are a moron of the highest calibre . You drank way too much Kool-Aid .
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket And there you go. Just being mean because you cant even explain your theory. Go for it. You have "0" understanding. Your just a troll you will take anyones opinion and argue with it. You have no beliefs, you have nothing you stand for. Your a joke. Your a liar. Your not even a good person. I will keep praying for you since your on your own path to Hell Anyway. Hopefully I can save you. But dont hold your breath.
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@Brothermorin - Why should I waste my time debunking a thoroughly debunked, completely discredited idiot like Hovind ? No reason will reach you. What is it I've lied about ? Someone who doesn't share your retarded notions = a bad person with no beliefs & doesn't stand for anything . Is that correct ? Like I said , you dishonor yourself & your beliefs by not honestly seeking out the truth. Your fear of losing your entire indentity prevents you from even seeking out the truth.
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket im not asking you to debunk Hovind. Your a bad person because you just cuss and call names without having anything to stand behind you. So what your saying is your too cool to respond to my questions? What a crock. You have an extensive vocabulary maybe but have as much knowledge about evolution and scientific theory as a middle school girl. You are the weakest link. GOOD BYE!
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@Brothermorin - It takes less scientific insight than a middle school girl to debunk Hovind. How honorless can you possibly be to parrot Hovind's retarded drivel without even a cursory knowledge of any science whatsoever. When you finally decide to engage yourself in honestly seeking truth, it'll hit you like a ton of bricks about just how wilfully ignorant you were. You have no shame. You have no honor. You are void of honesty.You're a small man intent on staying that way.
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!! YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT INSULTS TO RETORT. Your not even worth having a conversation with anymore. If there was evidence contrary to my belief, You are certainly not the person to do it. Your a sad pathetic fool that is a liar and a bad person. You should stop typing. Your making yourself look stupider and stupider.
Brothermorin 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket Explain why the oceans get saltier every year? Explain why Niagara falls exists since it erodes feet per year? Sometimes lots of feet. Explain why geologist know that oil could not be held under the crust in the amount of pressure its under for more that 10,000 years? Explain why we are not covered in oil. Explain how during pangea they had to remove all of Central America and Australia.
Brothermorin 11 months ago