In my opinion, Mr.Slim's are the quietest and AAON's are the best to work on ! Easy access to replace all parts and the schematics are color coded....How sweet it is !
@hackfreehvac It's wild all of the videos you have with hack jobs done by careless techs. But, you have these same people in all major cities who repeat this exact behavioural pattern with bad work ethic and unprofessionalism. My major pet peeve is always keeping all of my wiring on all components zip tyed and harnassed nicely so it's easy to trace down leads, nothing rubs and grounds out from vibration, nor gets butchered in anyway. I hate it when ppl just jam wires in and hit and run.
It does sound louder than normal...but you can't compare another system with no walls around it. Cement walls tightly surrounding the thing is going to severely increase the sound issue. I hope you've replaced that pipe insulation by now lol.
We just unfortunately bought a Gibon heat pump and it was so loud that it sounded like a jet engine. It even shook the ground. My brother figured out a way for the tech to isolate the problem and it turned out to be a noisy fan. He replaced that free of charge and that solved it. This was after his having installed another new heat pump thinking that would solve it. There were 2 units in a row with bad fans.
Hope this helps someone who is in heatpump noise hell.
How old are those things? I knew Goodman was close to bottom of the barrel of residential units, but damn. Give me a Carrier or Frigidaire heat pump any day. ;)
Wow they are loud, are these scroll units? I just got a brand new scroll unit and it is pretty quiet. Check out my vid of it. It makes a bit of a noise on startup, but nothing too bad and nothing close to this. Than it settles right down to a purr you can just hear when you're 10' away that's a bit louder than a fridge. I must have lucked out or they are starting to turn over a new leaf. The ones you recorded were like having a noisy air compressor in the yard.
Lennox right now is a low service call system for me despite the capacitor or condensor fan motor ones I find on their split systems from around 03 04. Carrier I hate their txvs and I swear they dont open all the way. I've narrowed it down to a mounting problem on a select few but that valve will not open any wider and only cool half or 3/4 of the evap on split systems. The new puron gas pack draft motors: I had one inducer motor that was rubbing the assembly mounting screws on a new start up.
@hemiownzu We installed a Goodman package unit 6 years ago brand new and the liquid test line was run up through the fan just beneath the grill so it couldn't spin freely. We fixed it and it's ran great ever since. Factory checked LOL
Goodman and other manufactures dont make their own Compressors, they use off the shelve compressors like Copland or Bristols compressors. I have at least 50 Goodman condensing units 0on rental properties and none of them make are any loader than any other brands I have worked on. However, I have had to replace more Igniters in the Goodman furnaces I have than I would have liked to
Goodman is trying to build a better unit as I run across them here and there in the field. I dont work on too many newer ones as I did back In the early 2000s- late 1990's but they did have alot of problems then in all their units. Most notorius for me was the pgb gas packs cracking heat exchangers in a matter of 2 yrs+
also my dad has two trane xb13 5 ton and they are such a bad install. they are also very noisy and the compressor is the loudest thing in the world. these were replacement to 25 year old carrier 3 ton units. i will try to get videos but im getting late from work but ill try
Tough call. But most would be better than that turd.
Carrier Puron are having leak problems on some of their coils so try to stay away from them.
Higher end Lennox is nice. Compressor is behind an insulated panel and those are quiet. The rectangular Rheem/Ruud units are quiet.
Also, some brands are re-badging Goodman's with more popular brand names. Maytag i think and Goettl co use dto make their own, now selling shit like Goodman. They just wanted the name!
@hackfreehvac The oldest Goodman yet untouched. I went on a call the customer complained and said his power bill was high so I went and checked it out. The condensing fan would run but the compressor wouldn't...after checking the power wiring back at the breaker they were burnt nearly into due to a awful 30 year old Breaker Panel. The Goodman had never been touched until I went out She's 16 years old. I service apartments with 25 year old Tranes still chugging along as well.
do the new goodmans are better because i have heard that they still have problems. my neighbor has 2 goodmans one dessert series like this ones and one of the new ones. if i open my bedrooms window i can hear the loud roar that sound has
I haven't had much experience with 2005 and newer Goodmans as we wouldn't dare use them in commercial. However, some residential guys say they are trying to improve their line. However, these same guys were in denial that they were crap before and like you have noticed yourself with those damnable Goodman Desert Series Heat Pumps, they were indeed noisy piece of junks!
It would be. But this was about as much as you'd get much of the time. And then there was that one resi company I worked for who thought the brand new cube style Trane XL19i units would be fine with one side of the coil completely against the wall! :-P
What does a standard Goodman central air-conditioner/furnace split system sound like? Is it worse, not as bad, or about the same? I've only ever seen Goodman heat pumps.
From what i was told, they supposedly use nothing but Copeland Scrolls now. But I'm sure they will find a way to get those made CHEAPER for them by leaving out a few parts. Just like the GE and Emerson fan motors that leaked oil within 1 yr and died within 5 yrs yet lasted 7 to 10 yrs in Tranes. Go figure.
Hey man ....all package units have been converted to copeland but the 13 seer heat pumps still have recips until you go up in size to a 3 ton or larger . The 1.5,2,and 2.5 ton are still recips.
Honestly, I don't work on much NEW residential now. I hear that Carrier still has some coil leaking problems. Mostly in tract homes though. My friend is working in Tucson now and says he likes the Carrier Infinity line. I don't know any current Lennox dealers. But when it comes to COMMERCIAL stuff made since the 90's, the Lennox is SOLID compared to Carrier. The Lennox wiring is sometimes a PITA to troubleshoot though. :(
My neighbors just had one of these units installed to replace a old one and I can hear it through my entire yard when ever it is running. We have a old Janitrol that is pretty quiet and works great. Everyone told me that Janitrol was a cheap unit but ares is pushing 25 years old now and has never had a single problem. Maybe I got one of the good ones.
Does your Janitrol (which is Goodman now) a square tall sucker like these? Or a shorter unit with the coil only on 3 sides and one big service panel on the 4th side?
Mine has the coil going around 3 sides of it and its short and fat. On the entire right side if your looking at it from the front there is big service panel were the compressor is at and all the electrical. On the top the fan is more to the left its not like most were its right in the middle. It works awesome for being 25 some years old and I keep my house at 68 when its 95 outside and it has no problem, Pretty quiet too. We have never had to have it serviced for anything.
That design was the BEST one Goodman ever came up with. The cube models are just retarded. Notice how quiet your compressor is in that compartment but if you remove the panel how LOUD the compressor is? In the mid to late 90's that louad ass (Bristol recip)compressor was still used in the cube design. Loudest suckers ever built!
I have to agree with the best desigan. I mean when I removed the side panel the compressor is in great shape along with all the wires because its been protected from the weather for so many years looks brand new. Not to mention it keeps it quiet. The only time I can hear the compressor running is when it just starts before the fan can get up to speed. Its just a click hmm then all you hear is the fan blowing air witch is not loud at all. I really like the unit hope it lasts. 25years so far.
Not to mention for the past 20 some years we have the house at 68 degrees all summer when it is 90 and it runs all day long. That thing has taken a beating over the years and still stands up too it with no problems ever. I have to say its been a good tough Air Conditioner. We have even ran it in the dead of winter when we have lots of people over and its hot in the house. Always works like I said its a been a tough unit.
68 degrees? It must be more humid where you live. Here homes average 78 or so. Business' run as low as 72. But 90 degrees is our MILD weather here like in late October and into November! We peak at close to 120 degrees every once in a while!
Oh I live in Michigan the humidity is killer here in the summer. In fact I have turned the AC on when its only in the 70's outside not because I am hot but just to dehumidify the house and get rid of the stickiness. But 90 is MILD too you wow! That is dead hot here but with 100% humidity it makes it a lot worse. Were hitting the low 30's here at night right now I turned the heat on a few nights ago cuz it got to 54 in the house. But in MI you just never know I might have the AC on tomorrow.
But I am different than most people around here. Most seem to think once you switch from AC to heat thats it for the rest of the season its heat or AC. Me I do not care I will run the heat in June if its cold or I will run the AC in January if I am hot. Thats what its there for to make me comfortable I am not going to suffer if I have the option to fix it. I may have a different outlook that most though. I would rather pay the bill than be uncomfortable.
If it did die on us I would not be shocked considering the wear and tear it has had over the years. Id most likely replace it with a Train or Lennox unit, We replaced are old Luxair furnace with a Lennox 2 years ago and it works great. Old furnace the heat exchanger cracked one night in the middle of January and the carbon monoxide alarm went off. Not surprise being that it was 38 years old though, could have killed us thank god for the alarm it was a bad leak.
Those older carriers with the silencer system are quiet as hell too. Sometimes I wonder if the compressor is running. I've never seen a quiet goodman yet.. but hey they trail the pack anyways so something they are doing now is something most others were doing in like year 1999 lol..
The new goodmans don't sound that loud. You can find the sound rating to any out door unit on their respective websites and compare them to other brands. Everything brand new from around 06-08 sounds very good (meaning quiet).
The brand I like the most is Lennox, they are great AC's and HPs.
Also why is the unit shown at the end a commercial packaged unit ? When all the other units shown were residential ?
Lennox do have some QUIET ones especially with the insulated door. I think ALL cube units are retarded! And that's all Goodman makes is cubed unit with all the electrical crap shoved into a corner panel. They don't really make any high end units like Lennox. BTW that last unit in the video was not a package unit. It's a typical Rheem/Ruud heat pump condenser. The same as what is on my house. Been built like that and quiet for 20 years and they still make them very similar to that to this day.
My God that thing is loud! I would be embarassed to have one that loud in my backyard! I think Goodmans have gotten quieter since then, my grandparent's apartments have old 15+ year old units (not sure what brandname they are, they look almost generic, because they don't have a brand badge on most of them, although some say "GMC") that are being replaced with newer charcoal-colored Goodmans, and they seem to be quieter. I have a Trane XR11 that's a couple years old. It's not quiet, but not loud.
P.S. I like the Simon Cowell thing at the beginning. "What the bloody hell was that?" LOL that's funny! Regarding my HVAC unit, you can hear the compressor, but it's definitely quieter than that POS right there.
Been staring at a lot of youtube eh? One day I thought of the Simom Cowell thing and have been adding it ever since. :)
I don't do residential anymore since last year. So I don't see new Goodman's because they don't use them on commercial unless it's a slum account, which we don't have! :p
Yup. We got lots of them here too. They are not too popular on the newer buildings. But we got lots that have 15 yr old Rheem/Ruuds just chugging along with all their original coils, etc. Them Carrier's break down on a continuous basis!
same here, but the only few newer building that has 'em are duncan donuts. most of the newer building around here are carriers, tranes, lennox, and yorks.
We got too many damn Carrier's on the newer buildings. I guess it's what this one large install company is installing :( I'd rather see Lennox "L Series" or some nice Ruud's.
I thought that Rheem and RUUD are the crappy brands, we have a Bryant its pretty loud but not as bad as these. also are rheem and ruun pretty much the same?
Yeah Rheem and Ruud are the same. I always thought they were one of the quietest units. Some RTU designs are bastards, but they sure take a lickin' and keep on tickin.
I dunno. They did keep it the same for a long time. The first ones (for my time) had phillips head screws! Then 1/4" screws. The new ones have 5/16" headed screws but they changed the fan grill and panel slightly. But all in all it's very close to the original style. They kinda got it right the first time ya know?
I did a internet sweep on Goodman quality, and on one of the leading HVAC compare sight's say that Goodman air conditioning got a rating of 2 out of 5. Some people think that It's the installations. And some think the new Blackish grey Goodman's have a tuffer cabinet and are quieter plus more reliable with better warranties. Is this true or not.
The new cabinets are a night and day better than what I have shown here. Warranty has always been good. But was always a cheap rattle trap. I don't work on the brand new ones. But thousands of 1995 through 2006 models. All junk!
you guys are just pissed because your average consumer can buy goodman equipment on their own and avoid you guys marking up the product you sell three times what it actually costs. if people only knew how bad hvac guys rip them off they would kick your ass on sight.
Goodman DOES sell to DIY,(even though Goodman lovin HVAC techs deny it). And some companies DO rip people off. Note how many crappy $10k Trane systems I've shown! However, a HVAC company has to factor in a lot of costs and also the 1st year of labor is covered by the installer not the manufacture so they have to eat that. A DIY will surely fuck these up even worse, because they will probably not evacuate the refer lines before start up or charge it properly, thus slowly killing said Goodman!
i know someone who does hvac. he's told me all about it. i helped him install a condenser that had a tree fall on it. the unit cost him $650. and no it wasn't a goodman. carrier i think. anyway, it only took like three hours and he got $2200 for the job. he said a company out of the phone book would have easily charged $3500. it's all a scam. customers can't even find out how much the parts cost. it's the only business in home repair where the customer cannot check prices of most parts.
$650 was a good deal even for him at cost. A compressor alone would have costed him close to that at cost. If he's a mom and pop operation he don't have the overhead some companies have. Them hack n slach companies always have equal or more office staff as they do techs in the field! Plus all companies who pay employees may have medical and other benefits they have to pay. A one man show can just pocket the money and pay his own medical as he needs it.
It's the ONLY brand that I know of where we'd get ongoing service calls just because they were so damn loud. They would be cooling. But the noise was un nerving when people bought these new tract homes and never heard a racket like that from their NEW Air Conditioner!
Bro this is what I'm talking about, My buddy has a 3 year old charcoal color goodman (same unit, differant skin).. top shutters up and down. He asked me about it and I said whoever installed it sold you a pos lol. Then his evap pan rusted out shortly after and f his ceiling lol. "Thank goodness for Goodman"
Did he use the official Goodman Silencer System (a ROCK on top of the fan grill) to keep it somewhat quiet? I'd take the fan grill and flip it upside down and make sure all of the blades were even. Then re balance the weight by hand. I've had to do that on a shit load of tese Goodman's. The fan blades are so damn thin, that pigeon crap landing on it will bend one of the blades and through it out of balance causing the top grill to bounce as you noted on your buddy's!
Damn! it sounds like an air compressor! they oughta call them Badman lol what is it? lack of sound insulation? or just a cheap ass compressor? like does the RUUD use a non reciprocating type?
RUUD/Rheem were one of the first to switch to Scrolls primarly. Goodman used recips for the longest time. Goodman usually just tries to copy what other brand shave done. But built CHEAPER!
No it's not a RUUD, it's a GOODMAN. LOL just kidding! I couldn't resist that one! Yeah them desert series Goodman's are just noisy here. Dunno why, but this sound level is typical. Then listen to that Rheem at the end. It's quiet and twice as old! My Rheem at my home is a 10 seer. I can barely hear it outside my bedroom wall!
this is Made In China!!! Manufacturing!!! these happen before in USA on jan 20,2010 moved to China... these is so crap of junk a suckk....
2011fremont 4 months ago
Should the fan come on every time the compressor comes on?
lz771 5 months ago
@lz771
It would be BAD NEWS if it didn't.
The fan moves the air through the outdoor coil.
It would overheat in a minute without the fan, or freeze the coil in the winter.
hackfreehvac 5 months ago
Noisy piece of shit !
MrLeveLHeaded 8 months ago
damn goodman pieces of junk, i would go insane if I had a noisy unit like this at my home or any house around me, Trane all the way for me!
frtguy80 1 year ago
As if Phoenix wasn't bad enough, it now sounds bad.
789mark 1 year ago
@789mark
HA HA!
hackfreehvac 1 year ago
In my opinion, Mr.Slim's are the quietest and AAON's are the best to work on ! Easy access to replace all parts and the schematics are color coded....How sweet it is !
IndieBraah 1 year ago
Bad location for that condensing unit...tucked away in that confined alcove...not much air to breathe across those coils.
IndieBraah 1 year ago
@IndieBraah
Indeed. But if you want to see bad, look at the videos I have of the condensers mounted against the wall or together.
hackfreehvac 1 year ago
@hackfreehvac It's wild all of the videos you have with hack jobs done by careless techs. But, you have these same people in all major cities who repeat this exact behavioural pattern with bad work ethic and unprofessionalism. My major pet peeve is always keeping all of my wiring on all components zip tyed and harnassed nicely so it's easy to trace down leads, nothing rubs and grounds out from vibration, nor gets butchered in anyway. I hate it when ppl just jam wires in and hit and run.
IndieBraah 1 year ago
@IndieBraah
Indeed. Because it sucks to get a call back because of something silly.
If we gets called out, we want it to because a part failed and unrelated to install/service.
hackfreehvac 1 year ago
OH FLASHBACK!!!! I had this unit at my house in El Mirage, I made the service people install a comp blanket over the compresser...helped some
484040 1 year ago
@484040
El Mirage, Arizona? That's MY hood!
And, where many of these videos and photos were made.
hackfreehvac 1 year ago
... oh yeah. That service co, if the installers, would have been "Chainsaw Charlie"! (Chas)
hackfreehvac 1 year ago
GOODMAN FAILS
fastzombie1 1 year ago
It does sound louder than normal...but you can't compare another system with no walls around it. Cement walls tightly surrounding the thing is going to severely increase the sound issue. I hope you've replaced that pipe insulation by now lol.
soccerpeve 1 year ago
hhh
behvac 1 year ago
0:36
Peterson924 2 years ago
We just unfortunately bought a Gibon heat pump and it was so loud that it sounded like a jet engine. It even shook the ground. My brother figured out a way for the tech to isolate the problem and it turned out to be a noisy fan. He replaced that free of charge and that solved it. This was after his having installed another new heat pump thinking that would solve it. There were 2 units in a row with bad fans.
Hope this helps someone who is in heatpump noise hell.
bleeper2147 2 years ago
How old are those things? I knew Goodman was close to bottom of the barrel of residential units, but damn. Give me a Carrier or Frigidaire heat pump any day. ;)
eggman9713 2 years ago
the last unit wasn't even running
philsham26 2 years ago
If you where my neighbour... boy o boy... I put a piece of wood between the fans....
paranormaalutrecht 2 years ago
Wow they are loud, are these scroll units? I just got a brand new scroll unit and it is pretty quiet. Check out my vid of it. It makes a bit of a noise on startup, but nothing too bad and nothing close to this. Than it settles right down to a purr you can just hear when you're 10' away that's a bit louder than a fridge. I must have lucked out or they are starting to turn over a new leaf. The ones you recorded were like having a noisy air compressor in the yard.
edgeflyer69 2 years ago
Lennox right now is a low service call system for me despite the capacitor or condensor fan motor ones I find on their split systems from around 03 04. Carrier I hate their txvs and I swear they dont open all the way. I've narrowed it down to a mounting problem on a select few but that valve will not open any wider and only cool half or 3/4 of the evap on split systems. The new puron gas pack draft motors: I had one inducer motor that was rubbing the assembly mounting screws on a new start up.
hemiownzu 2 years ago
@hemiownzu We installed a Goodman package unit 6 years ago brand new and the liquid test line was run up through the fan just beneath the grill so it couldn't spin freely. We fixed it and it's ran great ever since. Factory checked LOL
avistahvac 2 years ago
Goodman and other manufactures dont make their own Compressors, they use off the shelve compressors like Copland or Bristols compressors. I have at least 50 Goodman condensing units 0on rental properties and none of them make are any loader than any other brands I have worked on. However, I have had to replace more Igniters in the Goodman furnaces I have than I would have liked to
rocknrollohio 2 years ago
Mounting makes a difference. I have a couple of Goodman compressors that I mounted on several inches of shredded tire mulch. Very quiet.
deloran918 2 years ago
Goodman is trying to build a better unit as I run across them here and there in the field. I dont work on too many newer ones as I did back In the early 2000s- late 1990's but they did have alot of problems then in all their units. Most notorius for me was the pgb gas packs cracking heat exchangers in a matter of 2 yrs+
hemiownzu 2 years ago
also my dad has two trane xb13 5 ton and they are such a bad install. they are also very noisy and the compressor is the loudest thing in the world. these were replacement to 25 year old carrier 3 ton units. i will try to get videos but im getting late from work but ill try
acthetech 3 years ago
XB Tranes are cheap rattle traps. And honestly, I don't even know if I'd install any new Trane on my own home at this point.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
I've got a 9 year old God-awful Goodman.
The Bristol compressor died 2 months out of warranty; Copeland got "engineered" in replacement.
Unit always has been noisy; now they tell me the coil outside has pinholes.
Oy.
Recommendation for replacement brand? Current unit is 3.5 ton.
moparedtn 3 years ago
Tough call. But most would be better than that turd.
Carrier Puron are having leak problems on some of their coils so try to stay away from them.
Higher end Lennox is nice. Compressor is behind an insulated panel and those are quiet. The rectangular Rheem/Ruud units are quiet.
Also, some brands are re-badging Goodman's with more popular brand names. Maytag i think and Goettl co use dto make their own, now selling shit like Goodman. They just wanted the name!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
I noticed the Amana name on Goodman unit too.
Vinylrecordsneverdie 2 years ago
Goodman bought Amana some years ago. :-(
hackfreehvac 2 years ago
Just figured you might like to know.
We've decided on a Trane XL15, installed by their licensed local contractor.
Thoughts?
moparedtn 2 years ago
That should be an ok unit. It's a higher end single stage.
hackfreehvac 2 years ago
@hackfreehvac The oldest Goodman yet untouched. I went on a call the customer complained and said his power bill was high so I went and checked it out. The condensing fan would run but the compressor wouldn't...after checking the power wiring back at the breaker they were burnt nearly into due to a awful 30 year old Breaker Panel. The Goodman had never been touched until I went out She's 16 years old. I service apartments with 25 year old Tranes still chugging along as well.
avistahvac 2 years ago
@hackfreehvac Goodman's also rebadged with the Everrest brand. A shop I used to work for sold these on the ten year warranty.
fixinggrace 1 year ago
do the new goodmans are better because i have heard that they still have problems. my neighbor has 2 goodmans one dessert series like this ones and one of the new ones. if i open my bedrooms window i can hear the loud roar that sound has
acthetech 3 years ago
I haven't had much experience with 2005 and newer Goodmans as we wouldn't dare use them in commercial. However, some residential guys say they are trying to improve their line. However, these same guys were in denial that they were crap before and like you have noticed yourself with those damnable Goodman Desert Series Heat Pumps, they were indeed noisy piece of junks!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
clearance between the units might be nice duh!!!
smitty1371 3 years ago
It would be. But this was about as much as you'd get much of the time. And then there was that one resi company I worked for who thought the brand new cube style Trane XL19i units would be fine with one side of the coil completely against the wall! :-P
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
What does a standard Goodman central air-conditioner/furnace split system sound like? Is it worse, not as bad, or about the same? I've only ever seen Goodman heat pumps.
classifiedinfo 3 years ago
The compressor and loud fan shroud sounded about the same. The compressors were the same.
The NEW Goodman's are not as bad. And they all use Copeland Scrolls now. These were Bristol Recips.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
I think one of their 13 seer models still use recips. Maybe they changed. I'm not sure.
25HNA6 3 years ago
From what i was told, they supposedly use nothing but Copeland Scrolls now. But I'm sure they will find a way to get those made CHEAPER for them by leaving out a few parts. Just like the GE and Emerson fan motors that leaked oil within 1 yr and died within 5 yrs yet lasted 7 to 10 yrs in Tranes. Go figure.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
Hey man ....all package units have been converted to copeland but the 13 seer heat pumps still have recips until you go up in size to a 3 ton or larger . The 1.5,2,and 2.5 ton are still recips.
avistahvac 3 years ago
Rheem + Ruud
YoureAbsolutelyRight 3 years ago
Can you wait two months?If you can buy a elite multi pro!
tlaroche38 3 years ago
Lennox XP15 is a very nice unit that isn't that loud.
gunterd16 3 years ago
Some Lennox units are very quiet. And look where the compressor is. Behind an insulated panel. Where it SHOULD be. :-]
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
i dont now hackfree why do you think lennox is better than the carriers 21 seer 2 stage inffinity
kikibuda 3 years ago
Honestly, I don't work on much NEW residential now. I hear that Carrier still has some coil leaking problems. Mostly in tract homes though. My friend is working in Tucson now and says he likes the Carrier Infinity line. I don't know any current Lennox dealers. But when it comes to COMMERCIAL stuff made since the 90's, the Lennox is SOLID compared to Carrier. The Lennox wiring is sometimes a PITA to troubleshoot though. :(
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
My neighbors just had one of these units installed to replace a old one and I can hear it through my entire yard when ever it is running. We have a old Janitrol that is pretty quiet and works great. Everyone told me that Janitrol was a cheap unit but ares is pushing 25 years old now and has never had a single problem. Maybe I got one of the good ones.
sublime4455 3 years ago
Does your Janitrol (which is Goodman now) a square tall sucker like these? Or a shorter unit with the coil only on 3 sides and one big service panel on the 4th side?
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
Mine has the coil going around 3 sides of it and its short and fat. On the entire right side if your looking at it from the front there is big service panel were the compressor is at and all the electrical. On the top the fan is more to the left its not like most were its right in the middle. It works awesome for being 25 some years old and I keep my house at 68 when its 95 outside and it has no problem, Pretty quiet too. We have never had to have it serviced for anything.
sublime4455 3 years ago
That design was the BEST one Goodman ever came up with. The cube models are just retarded. Notice how quiet your compressor is in that compartment but if you remove the panel how LOUD the compressor is? In the mid to late 90's that louad ass (Bristol recip)compressor was still used in the cube design. Loudest suckers ever built!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
I have to agree with the best desigan. I mean when I removed the side panel the compressor is in great shape along with all the wires because its been protected from the weather for so many years looks brand new. Not to mention it keeps it quiet. The only time I can hear the compressor running is when it just starts before the fan can get up to speed. Its just a click hmm then all you hear is the fan blowing air witch is not loud at all. I really like the unit hope it lasts. 25years so far.
sublime4455 3 years ago
Not to mention for the past 20 some years we have the house at 68 degrees all summer when it is 90 and it runs all day long. That thing has taken a beating over the years and still stands up too it with no problems ever. I have to say its been a good tough Air Conditioner. We have even ran it in the dead of winter when we have lots of people over and its hot in the house. Always works like I said its a been a tough unit.
sublime4455 3 years ago
68 degrees? It must be more humid where you live. Here homes average 78 or so. Business' run as low as 72. But 90 degrees is our MILD weather here like in late October and into November! We peak at close to 120 degrees every once in a while!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
Oh I live in Michigan the humidity is killer here in the summer. In fact I have turned the AC on when its only in the 70's outside not because I am hot but just to dehumidify the house and get rid of the stickiness. But 90 is MILD too you wow! That is dead hot here but with 100% humidity it makes it a lot worse. Were hitting the low 30's here at night right now I turned the heat on a few nights ago cuz it got to 54 in the house. But in MI you just never know I might have the AC on tomorrow.
sublime4455 3 years ago
But I am different than most people around here. Most seem to think once you switch from AC to heat thats it for the rest of the season its heat or AC. Me I do not care I will run the heat in June if its cold or I will run the AC in January if I am hot. Thats what its there for to make me comfortable I am not going to suffer if I have the option to fix it. I may have a different outlook that most though. I would rather pay the bill than be uncomfortable.
sublime4455 3 years ago
If it did die on us I would not be shocked considering the wear and tear it has had over the years. Id most likely replace it with a Train or Lennox unit, We replaced are old Luxair furnace with a Lennox 2 years ago and it works great. Old furnace the heat exchanger cracked one night in the middle of January and the carbon monoxide alarm went off. Not surprise being that it was 38 years old though, could have killed us thank god for the alarm it was a bad leak.
sublime4455 3 years ago
Those older carriers with the silencer system are quiet as hell too. Sometimes I wonder if the compressor is running. I've never seen a quiet goodman yet.. but hey they trail the pack anyways so something they are doing now is something most others were doing in like year 1999 lol..
hemiownzu 3 years ago
Yup. Goodman appears to just copy other people's existing designs into their own. They have NEVER been an inovator like Carrier/Trane/Ruud/Lennox
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
The new goodmans don't sound that loud. You can find the sound rating to any out door unit on their respective websites and compare them to other brands. Everything brand new from around 06-08 sounds very good (meaning quiet).
The brand I like the most is Lennox, they are great AC's and HPs.
Also why is the unit shown at the end a commercial packaged unit ? When all the other units shown were residential ?
oaklandpunk 3 years ago
Lennox do have some QUIET ones especially with the insulated door. I think ALL cube units are retarded! And that's all Goodman makes is cubed unit with all the electrical crap shoved into a corner panel. They don't really make any high end units like Lennox. BTW that last unit in the video was not a package unit. It's a typical Rheem/Ruud heat pump condenser. The same as what is on my house. Been built like that and quiet for 20 years and they still make them very similar to that to this day.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
My God that thing is loud! I would be embarassed to have one that loud in my backyard! I think Goodmans have gotten quieter since then, my grandparent's apartments have old 15+ year old units (not sure what brandname they are, they look almost generic, because they don't have a brand badge on most of them, although some say "GMC") that are being replaced with newer charcoal-colored Goodmans, and they seem to be quieter. I have a Trane XR11 that's a couple years old. It's not quiet, but not loud.
nsgevo89 3 years ago
P.S. I like the Simon Cowell thing at the beginning. "What the bloody hell was that?" LOL that's funny! Regarding my HVAC unit, you can hear the compressor, but it's definitely quieter than that POS right there.
nsgevo89 3 years ago
Haha not the beginning...I meant the end. Not in my right mind, I was getting tired.
nsgevo89 3 years ago
Been staring at a lot of youtube eh? One day I thought of the Simom Cowell thing and have been adding it ever since. :)
I don't do residential anymore since last year. So I don't see new Goodman's because they don't use them on commercial unless it's a slum account, which we don't have! :p
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
i've been seeing a lot of rheem/ruud in commercial applications.
damusician 3 years ago
Yup. We got lots of them here too. They are not too popular on the newer buildings. But we got lots that have 15 yr old Rheem/Ruuds just chugging along with all their original coils, etc. Them Carrier's break down on a continuous basis!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
same here, but the only few newer building that has 'em are duncan donuts. most of the newer building around here are carriers, tranes, lennox, and yorks.
damusician 3 years ago
We got too many damn Carrier's on the newer buildings. I guess it's what this one large install company is installing :( I'd rather see Lennox "L Series" or some nice Ruud's.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
I thought that Rheem and RUUD are the crappy brands, we have a Bryant its pretty loud but not as bad as these. also are rheem and ruun pretty much the same?
InverterDude 3 years ago
Yeah Rheem and Ruud are the same. I always thought they were one of the quietest units. Some RTU designs are bastards, but they sure take a lickin' and keep on tickin.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
the older rheem/ruud units are the green box ones with 2 blades right? why did they change the style?
InverterDude 3 years ago
I dunno. They did keep it the same for a long time. The first ones (for my time) had phillips head screws! Then 1/4" screws. The new ones have 5/16" headed screws but they changed the fan grill and panel slightly. But all in all it's very close to the original style. They kinda got it right the first time ya know?
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
That is noisy, the only thing I here on my sys. is the fan running...
tommee10533 3 years ago
That's how it SHOULD be. :)
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
Are Payne units built in Mexico?
25HNA6 3 years ago
I don't think so. Payne is a division of Carrier. These in the video here are Goodman (Janitrol) built in Texas. Texas should be ashamed!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
I did a internet sweep on Goodman quality, and on one of the leading HVAC compare sight's say that Goodman air conditioning got a rating of 2 out of 5. Some people think that It's the installations. And some think the new Blackish grey Goodman's have a tuffer cabinet and are quieter plus more reliable with better warranties. Is this true or not.
25HNA6 3 years ago
The new cabinets are a night and day better than what I have shown here. Warranty has always been good. But was always a cheap rattle trap. I don't work on the brand new ones. But thousands of 1995 through 2006 models. All junk!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
you guys are just pissed because your average consumer can buy goodman equipment on their own and avoid you guys marking up the product you sell three times what it actually costs. if people only knew how bad hvac guys rip them off they would kick your ass on sight.
sngldad 3 years ago
Goodman DOES sell to DIY,(even though Goodman lovin HVAC techs deny it). And some companies DO rip people off. Note how many crappy $10k Trane systems I've shown! However, a HVAC company has to factor in a lot of costs and also the 1st year of labor is covered by the installer not the manufacture so they have to eat that. A DIY will surely fuck these up even worse, because they will probably not evacuate the refer lines before start up or charge it properly, thus slowly killing said Goodman!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
i know someone who does hvac. he's told me all about it. i helped him install a condenser that had a tree fall on it. the unit cost him $650. and no it wasn't a goodman. carrier i think. anyway, it only took like three hours and he got $2200 for the job. he said a company out of the phone book would have easily charged $3500. it's all a scam. customers can't even find out how much the parts cost. it's the only business in home repair where the customer cannot check prices of most parts.
sngldad 3 years ago
$650 was a good deal even for him at cost. A compressor alone would have costed him close to that at cost. If he's a mom and pop operation he don't have the overhead some companies have. Them hack n slach companies always have equal or more office staff as they do techs in the field! Plus all companies who pay employees may have medical and other benefits they have to pay. A one man show can just pocket the money and pay his own medical as he needs it.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
sounds like a brick in a blender. Sounds as though you need hearing protection just to be around these units.
Poetgal28 3 years ago
LOL! That's what the customers would say!
It's the ONLY brand that I know of where we'd get ongoing service calls just because they were so damn loud. They would be cooling. But the noise was un nerving when people bought these new tract homes and never heard a racket like that from their NEW Air Conditioner!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
Bro this is what I'm talking about, My buddy has a 3 year old charcoal color goodman (same unit, differant skin).. top shutters up and down. He asked me about it and I said whoever installed it sold you a pos lol. Then his evap pan rusted out shortly after and f his ceiling lol. "Thank goodness for Goodman"
hemiownzu 3 years ago
Did he use the official Goodman Silencer System (a ROCK on top of the fan grill) to keep it somewhat quiet? I'd take the fan grill and flip it upside down and make sure all of the blades were even. Then re balance the weight by hand. I've had to do that on a shit load of tese Goodman's. The fan blades are so damn thin, that pigeon crap landing on it will bend one of the blades and through it out of balance causing the top grill to bounce as you noted on your buddy's!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
Damn! it sounds like an air compressor! they oughta call them Badman lol what is it? lack of sound insulation? or just a cheap ass compressor? like does the RUUD use a non reciprocating type?
coolbluelights 3 years ago
RUUD/Rheem were one of the first to switch to Scrolls primarly. Goodman used recips for the longest time. Goodman usually just tries to copy what other brand shave done. But built CHEAPER!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
do you think you could make a video of what a scroll compressor looks like inside? I'm curious. I cut open 2 of the reciprocating type already^^
coolbluelights 3 years ago
I don't change too many compressors these days. Maybe I could some day. But there should be other videos of Scrolls already disected.
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
Thats pretty weird dood why the noise? that's just rude...
mechanicwarrior20 3 years ago
No it's not a RUUD, it's a GOODMAN. LOL just kidding! I couldn't resist that one! Yeah them desert series Goodman's are just noisy here. Dunno why, but this sound level is typical. Then listen to that Rheem at the end. It's quiet and twice as old! My Rheem at my home is a 10 seer. I can barely hear it outside my bedroom wall!
hackfreehvac 3 years ago
lol
mechanicwarrior20 3 years ago