What 22LR hand gun to you recommend? Semi-auto and revolver? Thanks for the video! It does put into perspective the carrying of ammo in a bug out bag.
i am now working on building a "zombie" rifle and i chose 22lr, just because of the weight of ammunition..i would prefer to be in fort knox with all the ammo that i could ever use..but in reality a 22. will do the job.
Carry an AR-15 chambered in 5.56, along with a 22lr conversion kit. Carry lots of 22lr ammo for general purpose and small game, and a smaller amount of 5.56 for more serious work. This will not only give you versatility in the field, but when you run low, it will also set you up to be able to use two very common rifle calibers you're likely to come across.
I Don't Believe You When You Say That Some Numb Nuts Told You That They Would Carry All That. Dude Maximum I'd Carry In AR and Secondary Ammo Is 300 Rounds. I Live By Two Sayings. One High Speed Low Drag and One Shot One Kill
@ZombieTactics Sir, what do you about the weights over other gauges? I don't know if its possible for one to get buckshot or slugs in say 20 gauge, 16 gauge or maybe .410. I know for sure that shotguns will be my best bet all things being considered. Thanks! MUCH APPRECIATED!
i like this guy.he takes everything into considerration.but the thing is (from what i hear.(I am not old enogh for a gun yet,so i would love for some one to reply)) 22 ammo soak up water,9mm is verry common(wont find everywhere a box but can trade),45mm just need double tap at most(not 1000 needed but is it that powerful?)5.56 is VERRY LOUD(earplugs in a gun fight?)ar's will jam eventually, ak is to heavy(along with riffles) so how will your deffense truely be set up?stay at home as long as pos?
Well, im screwed! By these figures, just 100 12gg shells of #00BK weigh 14.5 lbs plus 300 rounds of .40 S&W weigh 10.5 lbs. Add that to the duffle which right now is at 22.5lbs. 47.5 lbs total there. So the only option for me since I cant really have any less than at least this amount is to spread it all out between the duffle, cargo pants, load bearing vest and put as many shotgun shells as I can into bandoliers and saddle side shell holders. Only 450 rounds weighs a ton! Even that wont last me
Great video man. Too many internet SEALS out there with no clear grasp of reality. I have not had time to look at all your vids, but will in time. Again, great video.
When I hear people talk about carrying all this ammo on them in a WROL situation I always ask myself, "are they planning on being on foot FOREVER"? You can what-if any scenario to failure so the varying possible situations that could fall under WROL are endless. It seems to me that no one system will work with every situation. People need to learn to draw the line between imagining themselves in an action movie and real world preparation for LIKELY scenarios, such as no power for 2 weeks, ect...
I have my rifle, my sidearm, my loaded mags, my vest, and a few other boxes of ammo, with some water and about a days rations, were talking 40 lbs at most for me
Wow sombody with some sense has addressed the issue of ammo weight. Most people say a .22lr is worthless in end of world scenario. While I agree a .22lr is not ideal in a SD situation it seems to me to be the only way to go when bugging out. My 30-06 and 12ga. will hold the fort, but when it comes time to move my .22lr and 9mm will be going with me. Also it would seem to be advantageous to carry a rifle and pistol that fire the same ammo as if a gun were to break you could still use all ammo.
@gohamabamaharu What a reality check.. Lots of 22 and .223 and a couple of mags of pistol ammo if all else fails and a few shot gun rounds are a luxury.
No one ever says where they out bugging out to. If you are on foot and have 1200 miles to go to your Idaho cabin you will NEVER make it. Plus your cabin will have long since been raided and occupied on the odd chance you did make it.
Holy Crap! I've got guns too & never thought of that. I saw the movie 28 days later & all the heroin was armed with was a simple machete. I guess I'll just keep running to stay in shape so I can run away from the zombies and hide. Screw humping all that ammo. You didn't even weigh the magazines for all those rounds. Even more weight. Now if I had a burro or mule... Hell yeah!
i was WAITING for you to mention the .22s. best choice in my opinion only for actual zombies if there were such a thing. because they wont stop unless you hit them in the head anyway. but i understand your zombie metaphor
@Tancrad In an actual outbreak the silenced 22 cal mag fed bolt gun is the best choice for dispatching Zs IMHO. But its also good to have something with a little penetrating power for non-Z targets (raiders primarily) like a AK and a good sidearm. But I would only use those 2 in combat with non-z targets, your 22 is dry, or your so compromised that your doing CQB with Zs. For everything else however, hunting included, use the silenced 22 since it wont attract Zs from all over with its report.
I've been preaching this philosophy for a while and I believe I made a suggestion that you do something like this a few months ago... back when joshlone did his zombie weapon showcase with you. Any way great video good data keep it up brother. Thats another one for the fire!
I've always found that overpreperation can be a blessing and a curse depending on how it's carried out. If you plan on caching then it's workable...but if not. Yeah...
50-60 lb/ 25-30kg + weapons thats a basic soldier load out and then you would have to pack all the other stuff you need, like a spoon :) you better have a donkey on your bob' list or you are gona get into trubble.
Another great reality check for the Chairbourne Rangers out there! Common sense>1000 rounds of anything.
I'm just starting to buy my guns and am sticking to "issue" caliber first, as I think they'll be the most available after shtf. 9mm,.223,12ga...not the best in each category, but I figure "good luck coming across a pile of .40 or .38 or 7.62".
What are your thoughts? Thanks again for the great vids and the realistic perspective. Your point of view is much needed in this domain.
@jonnypescado1 7.62.... well I can walk into any gun store and buy the military surplus tons around were I live :p. ... so I bought a gun that shoots it because its cheap and easy to get.. pistols.. that just goes way to fast..
Every time I see a ZT video, I somehow think we are related somehow. Like you are my gnarley-as-hell Uncle lol. Absolutely outstanding video subject and execution, sir. Someone trying to haul 1000 rds of 9mm in a backpack is a fool. It's too bulky and too heavy. You could carry it in a car, but on a person? That's one more slow person the zombies will get while I'm running my ass off like a champ. Just buys me time to get to safety at the ZT compound so I could open fire!
You make some very good points, I have seen people discussing many of these issues on the forums, it is amazing what people think they can carry on their person.
pick one caliber. rifle or handgun. dont carry 1000. carry 100. point the gun at someone and tell him to carry your crap. lol.. oh yes people have some crazy ideas about load outs. how are you gonna carry water and food. not many places can support a population by hunting. especially a crapload of refugees wondering around. good demo of actual bulk and weight.
Good topic to bring up and discuss. People really don't tend to think about how much shit weighs and that everything adds up (weight wise). This is why I say....run to Wal-Mart or any general goods store where you can have, shelter, food, ammo, and other goodies needed (and some not so "needed") to survive. =P
My combat load out in the Marines was between 150 to 250 lbs including all my gear and explosives. It was pretty miserable. But I also carried the M240g and at least one satchel charge. Some of the time I didn't have to actually carry it all on my person though.
I use a SPRINFIELD M6 Survival rifle and I can carry lots of ammo because it is light. My pack weighs under 60lbs. for one month survival. I also have many caches to supplement my pack if I need to stay out for a year or longer. I also have a Walther 22 pistol to have on me. My theory is to avoid contact with any people and to maintain mobility long term prepping and be able to move about.
This is one of the main reasons I think that bugging out should be an absolute, LAST option. You simply cannot carry enough with you to supply your basic needs in a long term situation.
Thank you for making this video, keeping people grounded seems to be difficult sometimes.
I believe in the 60lbs. I.N.C.H. backpack with intent to survive rather than engage in conflict. My BOB is complete and SHELTER, FOOD, WATER options are most important. I believe in living in the woods and thriving as opposed to survival. and cheap survival gear. Bringing a tarp and 3 days food, and a big knife with the intent to chop trees is a joke. You will freeze, starve, and run out of energy. You will make to much noise chopping away and will get sick of it quickly. "RAMBO FOOLS"
This is what I preach....... A great BOB will be made for long term and have gear and ammo and weapon for that. I see these stupid 72hour bags with tons of ammo, night vision gear, tactical web gear and bullet proof vest. They think they are going to war and really are not building a long term bag. The will starve or freeze to death or retreat back to FEMA Camp. I feel the Assault rifle gear is best in the cities where you can caache the ammo better and become a looter for food
Back in the day when I was young I rucked a pack that weighed about 75+ lbs and that was without a base load of ammo (250 rounds give or take). Of course I was in the best shape back then.
You gotta be real and as a middle age guy (mid 40s) I cant do what I used to - tho I am in better shape than most ppl my age, you gotta plan to bug in or go to place/s where you have additional stores of ammo, food, water, etc.
I thought you were joking at first. I'm a pretty big fella, but I wouldn't want to hump all that ammo! Add survival gear, and you would have to be one helluva man to carry that load out for any distance.
-- I hope that you are proud of yourself. -- You have just cased several "KeyBoard Kommandos" to sit there in front of their Mommy's computer in their little Rambo Panties to cry their little eyes out! 8^{P> ---- GREAT DEMOSTRATION SIR!
but sometimes you cant take a well aimed shot. for me id rather carry less ammo but a larger round. the pistol should be your backup firearm all you need is at most 4 mags.
all depends on where you are, if in an urban area your going to want penetration 5.56 just wont do it like 7.62X39. or if you need range then .308 is for you. standard load out is 7 30rd mags.
things to consider on handguns is damage done per round sure you can carry 500 rounds of .22 but how much damage will it do? the .45 is heavy but it is a one shot stop. when i go hog hunting i carry my .45 to finish them off all it takes is one. sure the 9mm will do it with a well placed shot.
Great vid. I hope peeps listen to ya. typical load out should consist of 3 clips for pistol (1 in gun) 180 for main rifle (in clips) extra 50 rounds for pistol, 300 for main rifle. 3 days food, some form of collapsible water container plus filtration, 3 pairs socks, one shirt, bed roll, and shelter. That usually puts you over the 60 pound mark. The most important item is water, then shelter, then food. Course there are other items like knife, rope or cord, tape, etc. It adds up real quick.
@IsbianBlackheart my hunting pack alone weighs in at 55-65lbs depending on weather and that is 1 pistol 2 mags, 1 rifle 1 mag 40 rounds. your water alone for 3 days will weigh in at over 13lbs and that is only 2 liters a day.
if you are packing a combat load you will be a good 90+lbs
@cbr6864 heck ya, it adds up. I've got my pack down to 55 lbs. that does not count my rifle, pistol, mags, etc on my lbe. Luckily I'm using the aluminum g3 mags for my cetme, and I've streamlined for weight on all the equipment I carry. In many cases I made my own items just to save weight and or money. My lbe is 45 lbs. plus 8lbs rifle. so my total load out is over 100. Now I could lessen that a bit by detaching my buttpack that carries 3 days food, poncho, cord, tape, cleaning kit etc.
Thank you for laying it out like this. Now I can point people to this video to hopefuly get them thinking strait. For my personal load out: 1-Ar15+5mags(150rd's), 1-S&W4006+5mags(55rd's), 1-bersa380+3mags(21rd's, in pack) and a back pack of camping/survival gear, good for 6 days. And it all still ways out around 90lbs. And yes I have humped this around for a day. Its frickin' HEAVY! Keep up the good work and Keep sharing the knowledge!!!
Wouldn't the .223 being a .22 caliber bullet give you a smaller whole than a 9mm or .45 ACP ? I thought that combat rifles are actually meant to pass through the victim so 2 soldiers would have to carry the injured back. Thus winning by default basically.
@datguy781 When .223 hits you it is scootin' along at about 3000 fps. When it hits it causes hydrostatic shock. Basically a shock wave goes through your body and it causes tissue to "explode". Look up some photos of people who were shot with a .223. It gets ugly. While they may weigh more than .223; 9mm or .45 just doesn't have the speed.
I love your videos my friend. I have been a fan of Zombie Tactics Channel since your survival on the cheap series. I especially enjoy how you bring a sense of realism to the tactical/survival youtube community. Keep up the good work.
Very informative. Personally, my zombie bug out bag would be more tailored towards scavenging. I'd carry two guns of very common easy to find ammunition (probably 5.56 and 9mm or 45 ACP). Save all my mags, conserve ammo whenever possible, try to keep myself light weight and quiet to sneak around or just run from zombies. A machete, maybe a few other blades for utility purposes, blunt object for bashing skulls, flashlights, food, water... It'll be trial and error, see what works and what doesn't.
Haha, I seen the .22 coming from about the 2 minute mark. I always laugh at people when they start talking about their BOB firearms. Also, How about .17hmr or .22magnum? Both great choices.
This is why it's good to have family members that can be designated ammo carriers in a SHTF situation. Also did you buy all these bulk boxes at the Gun Show? If not where did you get em?
Some of these couch commanders have clearly never thought about this realistically. If you're not going to be honest about the situation then you may as well not address it at all.
1000 rounds of ANY ammo is a STOCKPILE not a combat loadout LOL
BTW, when this kind of thing was done in the British Army, it was couched in bags of sugar equivalence, on some kind of theory it would help people visualise the weights. But humping the stuff around god-forsaken military training areas soon drives the point home.
glock 33 with 6 mags, 200 spare rounds. Conversion barrel for 22, 9mm, and just a 40 cal barrel. No ammo for the last barrels, just in case you run out... covers 4 popular ammo selections. Mossberg 500 with 50 rounds staggered 00 buck/slugs.
i dont know why so many peopel think bugging out is such a great idea. that is the absolut LAST thing i would EVER do . why leave your fortification of your house? i can have 450 pounds of ammo and wont have to ever worry about putting it in a back pack lol
@StiThis1 The thing is, if you live in the city or a place like where I live, staying is not an option because there's no sustainable resource-per-person ratio. You'd have to bug out to a prepared area, so just enough to get you there
@usframe As it stands, I got nowhere to go. I'm hoping I can scrounge up some ISO containers and build a mini-fort or an underground bunker somewhere down South in the mountains. I can probably get them for cheap, but transport and on-site equipment will be a real headache. And all this if I can manage it in time.
I don't have any guns, but if worst comes to worst, I would get a .22 rifle, and a .22 pistol, and have about 1000 rounds. It's cheap, light-weight, and a good marksman can easily use the round to get definate kills. The only problem: I'm probably not a good marksman .-. For now, i'l stick with my baseball bat with a nail through it.
@blah596 if you shot them through they eye youd get a kill. i seen vids of people get pepperd by 22 and nothing happend. and 1000 rounds of ammo would be enough for one day in a apocalypse
@StiThis1 Not just the eye, but beside the eye, the forehead, the general brain area. One day though? Yeah, if you shoot everything that moves 7 times .-.
@blah596 if ur talking about zombie apocolypse think about it how many people are in you city . 30,000 . u think 1000 rounds will last you till the end of times. dream city . and .22 is so cheap u might as well buy 10k rounds at once
lol nice video. you do hear people all the time talking about what they are gonna carry, but they never seem to consider the logistics. i always think of carrying a lot of ammo in a vehicle, but never on my person on foot. take a few mags. preferably some hi-cap mags. i'd want to carry 6 -8 at a time. secondary weapon would be a sawed off shotgun. 12 ga. over under maybe with some reloads on my belt. then a melee weapon. a machete or axe and basically anything else i can whack a zombie with
im glad that you are actually showing people the relistic weight of amunition. im sick of talking to my friend saying stuff like hundreds of rounds of ammo. you can get most of that ammo with you, but you will have it to give a person in a pack with no other supplies in it. but ill mostly be carrying my shotgun ammo with me(12 guage).
you rock! .22 my favorite round. bigger is nice but size is not everything. ;-) sometimes i really thing, the people at my range should trowe their big, manly weapons instead of fireing them and hitting everything but not the targert.
I've been advocating the .22lr for years... THANK YOU !!! Now if I can just track down more pre-ban mags for my 10/22... (damn NY state laws consider a 10/22 an assault weapon with more than a 10 round mag)
Flintlock muzzleloader and a bullet mold... remake bullets with the shrapnel you find in your kills, snag wheel-weights when you find them, and you can load the sucker with rocks if you're just hunting birds. Black powder isn't hard to make once you know how.
Then my XDm with conversion barrels to use 9, 40 and 357 SIG. I can take a couple hundred rounds and hope to find/trade for more later... versatility of using multiple rounds is good!
Another great video ZT. It hits home with me because my friends and I all have plans for the "Zombie Apocalypse" and gathering up our gear. And it surprises me every time we talk just how much "Stuff" they think they can carry. I always try to stress .22LR as a lightweight round that can get the job done if you aim properly. Thank you stressing this point for me in a well made informational video. I'm favoriting this video for the next time this discussion arises.
Man 1000 rounds of 9mm really?Maybe 50 rounds of 9mm and 300 of 223 MAX. You have to carry a tent and water and all the other stuff you need. I would have a firearm that shoots .22 cal so i can actually have 1000 rounds if I need it. .22 is so under rated, it is probably te best round for survival. Thanks so much for mentioning the .22.
What 22LR hand gun to you recommend? Semi-auto and revolver? Thanks for the video! It does put into perspective the carrying of ammo in a bug out bag.
gguerard 4 days ago
Awesome illistration. My bag has 100 rounds jhp 9mm + what's in gun and 2 spare mags. forums. Don't know how you put up with them.
baron1c 2 weeks ago
i am now working on building a "zombie" rifle and i chose 22lr, just because of the weight of ammunition..i would prefer to be in fort knox with all the ammo that i could ever use..but in reality a 22. will do the job.
braybobby1 1 month ago
When you first pulled out the box or 22LR I thought you were going to show us some condoms HHa! Cool Shirt, BTY
SurvivalReality 2 months ago
i knew it. .22lr is the best.
UNDERRATEDMCS 3 months ago
Carry an AR-15 chambered in 5.56, along with a 22lr conversion kit. Carry lots of 22lr ammo for general purpose and small game, and a smaller amount of 5.56 for more serious work. This will not only give you versatility in the field, but when you run low, it will also set you up to be able to use two very common rifle calibers you're likely to come across.
Shanockdotcom 5 months ago
Makes me happy to be a 10/22 owner. :D
verdigo1 5 months ago
I Don't Believe You When You Say That Some Numb Nuts Told You That They Would Carry All That. Dude Maximum I'd Carry In AR and Secondary Ammo Is 300 Rounds. I Live By Two Sayings. One High Speed Low Drag and One Shot One Kill
SSJSasuke777 7 months ago in playlist GunFu:
My ammo count is 60 rounds of 7.62x54r for my bolt action.
With 440 rounds weighing in at just shy of 25 pounds, 60 is plenty for a sharpshooter, and takes next to no space compared to my medkit.
As far as I am concerned, anything else can be procured on site.
ratfacism 8 months ago
@ZombieTactics Sir, what do you about the weights over other gauges? I don't know if its possible for one to get buckshot or slugs in say 20 gauge, 16 gauge or maybe .410. I know for sure that shotguns will be my best bet all things being considered. Thanks! MUCH APPRECIATED!
tvercetti1 8 months ago
i like this guy.he takes everything into considerration.but the thing is (from what i hear.(I am not old enogh for a gun yet,so i would love for some one to reply)) 22 ammo soak up water,9mm is verry common(wont find everywhere a box but can trade),45mm just need double tap at most(not 1000 needed but is it that powerful?)5.56 is VERRY LOUD(earplugs in a gun fight?)ar's will jam eventually, ak is to heavy(along with riffles) so how will your deffense truely be set up?stay at home as long as pos?
dasdew2 8 months ago
Man Thats smart. I also think about 22LR but finding the Gun That holds a hundred rounds would be really good for the zombie apocolypse. lol
MegaWinfrey 9 months ago
Well, im screwed! By these figures, just 100 12gg shells of #00BK weigh 14.5 lbs plus 300 rounds of .40 S&W weigh 10.5 lbs. Add that to the duffle which right now is at 22.5lbs. 47.5 lbs total there. So the only option for me since I cant really have any less than at least this amount is to spread it all out between the duffle, cargo pants, load bearing vest and put as many shotgun shells as I can into bandoliers and saddle side shell holders. Only 450 rounds weighs a ton! Even that wont last me
tvercetti1 9 months ago
Great video man. Too many internet SEALS out there with no clear grasp of reality. I have not had time to look at all your vids, but will in time. Again, great video.
ndcouey70 9 months ago
When I hear people talk about carrying all this ammo on them in a WROL situation I always ask myself, "are they planning on being on foot FOREVER"? You can what-if any scenario to failure so the varying possible situations that could fall under WROL are endless. It seems to me that no one system will work with every situation. People need to learn to draw the line between imagining themselves in an action movie and real world preparation for LIKELY scenarios, such as no power for 2 weeks, ect...
markquimby82 9 months ago
I hit the forums as well and browse youtube quite a bit.
It seems you and I may have alot of the same views.
I cannot believe i just found your channel, and in a word.
I'ts friggin great!
Excellent point in this vid that i have also pondered myself.
I realized i have to cut back on the 45...../cries.
Good stuff, and thanks!
themightyparthos 10 months ago
I have my rifle, my sidearm, my loaded mags, my vest, and a few other boxes of ammo, with some water and about a days rations, were talking 40 lbs at most for me
gunmum123 11 months ago
This is freaking AWESOME,
Thanks for making this video, I have been saying just this sort of thing in the different zombie groups im in.
What I love it the one guy that things hes going to bug out with his Barett M-82 .50cal sniper rifle and a dozen mags of ammo.
Or the people that want .44 or .50AE Desert Eagle pistols.
I'm a HUGE fan of anything in .22cal.
Akaoushi 11 months ago
Wow sombody with some sense has addressed the issue of ammo weight. Most people say a .22lr is worthless in end of world scenario. While I agree a .22lr is not ideal in a SD situation it seems to me to be the only way to go when bugging out. My 30-06 and 12ga. will hold the fort, but when it comes time to move my .22lr and 9mm will be going with me. Also it would seem to be advantageous to carry a rifle and pistol that fire the same ammo as if a gun were to break you could still use all ammo.
obxnitro 11 months ago
what would the weight of 22 pistol ammo because carrying a rifle would be a pain in the ass compared to a pistol
gohamabamaharu 1 year ago
@gohamabamaharu The 22LR ammunition shown in this video fits both rifles and pistols.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
@ZombieTactics i made the comment right before he showed it
gohamabamaharu 1 year ago
@gohamabamaharu What a reality check.. Lots of 22 and .223 and a couple of mags of pistol ammo if all else fails and a few shot gun rounds are a luxury.
WAFFENSS69 1 week ago
this is a very OVERLOOKED obvious thought process when considering a WROLof any kind, 22lr is far superior in this regard by far
telopyros 1 year ago
ruger 10/22 22lr thats the way to go
kcrotsley 1 year ago
Hahaha. You wouldn't be able to move after shooting 500 buckshot shells. And I'm 6'2" 270 lbs. DEAD SHOULDER.
caman5 1 year ago
Great vid btw. I was planning on a 12ga for bug out but I'm not going to leave with only 100 fucking rounds.
e1ghtys1x 1 year ago
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e1ghtys1x 1 year ago
screw the 9mm and 5.56 nato carry a couple thousand round of .22 lr hollow points for your undead enemys
WeAreBeastSometimes 1 year ago
No one ever says where they out bugging out to. If you are on foot and have 1200 miles to go to your Idaho cabin you will NEVER make it. Plus your cabin will have long since been raided and occupied on the odd chance you did make it.
MrMadmax900 1 year ago
Holy Crap! I've got guns too & never thought of that. I saw the movie 28 days later & all the heroin was armed with was a simple machete. I guess I'll just keep running to stay in shape so I can run away from the zombies and hide. Screw humping all that ammo. You didn't even weigh the magazines for all those rounds. Even more weight. Now if I had a burro or mule... Hell yeah!
raimundough 1 year ago
I was about to go weight 1000 rounds of 22lr, then bam there it was. Good video. I'm a new sub and I like what I'm seeing so far. Keep it up.
CrazyK728 1 year ago
is that a bread machine in the background?
nubcakehero 1 year ago
This definitely puts in perspective. Cool vid dude.
xxFRANKENZTEINxx 1 year ago
.22cal is your friend.
Maybe also .410 or 20gauge. Get yourself a over and under .410 and .22cal combo
Colinpark 1 year ago
I am disappointed you didn't do a weight comparison between 5.56 NATO and 7.62X39 or the weight difference between AK and AR magazines
14WhiteAmerican88 1 year ago
@14WhiteAmerican88 Noted. That may be upcoming as a follow-up ... not sure about when.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
i was WAITING for you to mention the .22s. best choice in my opinion only for actual zombies if there were such a thing. because they wont stop unless you hit them in the head anyway. but i understand your zombie metaphor
Tancrad 1 year ago
@Tancrad In an actual outbreak the silenced 22 cal mag fed bolt gun is the best choice for dispatching Zs IMHO. But its also good to have something with a little penetrating power for non-Z targets (raiders primarily) like a AK and a good sidearm. But I would only use those 2 in combat with non-z targets, your 22 is dry, or your so compromised that your doing CQB with Zs. For everything else however, hunting included, use the silenced 22 since it wont attract Zs from all over with its report.
C0VVB3LL 1 year ago
I've been preaching this philosophy for a while and I believe I made a suggestion that you do something like this a few months ago... back when joshlone did his zombie weapon showcase with you. Any way great video good data keep it up brother. Thats another one for the fire!
C0VVB3LL 1 year ago
@C0VVB3LL Well, if you made that suggestion I apologize for not giving credit where due.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
@ZombieTactics I'm not looking for credit man, just saying its cool that you are listening to your subs and that were on the same page!
C0VVB3LL 1 year ago
I've always found that overpreperation can be a blessing and a curse depending on how it's carried out. If you plan on caching then it's workable...but if not. Yeah...
wormer104 1 year ago
50-60 lb/ 25-30kg + weapons thats a basic soldier load out and then you would have to pack all the other stuff you need, like a spoon :) you better have a donkey on your bob' list or you are gona get into trubble.
Stainlessb2 1 year ago
Great example of how the reality looks against one's ideal of how they would handle the end of the world.
harr77 1 year ago
nice vid. thanks for being real.
OLDBD1 1 year ago
Another great reality check for the Chairbourne Rangers out there! Common sense>1000 rounds of anything.
I'm just starting to buy my guns and am sticking to "issue" caliber first, as I think they'll be the most available after shtf. 9mm,.223,12ga...not the best in each category, but I figure "good luck coming across a pile of .40 or .38 or 7.62".
What are your thoughts? Thanks again for the great vids and the realistic perspective. Your point of view is much needed in this domain.
jonnypescado1 1 year ago
@jonnypescado1 7.62.... well I can walk into any gun store and buy the military surplus tons around were I live :p. ... so I bought a gun that shoots it because its cheap and easy to get.. pistols.. that just goes way to fast..
haha48 1 year ago
@jonnypescado1 Generally I'd find out what the police in your area use as a duty caliber and go with that. So, I think your reasoning is sound.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
Every time I see a ZT video, I somehow think we are related somehow. Like you are my gnarley-as-hell Uncle lol. Absolutely outstanding video subject and execution, sir. Someone trying to haul 1000 rds of 9mm in a backpack is a fool. It's too bulky and too heavy. You could carry it in a car, but on a person? That's one more slow person the zombies will get while I'm running my ass off like a champ. Just buys me time to get to safety at the ZT compound so I could open fire!
MrJimbofox 1 year ago
@MrJimbofox You mean you AREN'T my snotty nephew?!? Damn, I gotta lay off the Old No. 7 for a while and sober the hell up! ;-)
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
You make some very good points, I have seen people discussing many of these issues on the forums, it is amazing what people think they can carry on their person.
pwrmek 1 year ago
@pwrmek Yep. I was inspired by those types of forum threads. I figure a picture shows more than a thousand ... numsayin ?
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
what happened to your nose buddy?
been head butting zombie nutnfancy again?!
murdoch2486 1 year ago
@murdoch2486 The story is neither heroic nor embarrassing enough to be interesting, lol.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
pick one caliber. rifle or handgun. dont carry 1000. carry 100. point the gun at someone and tell him to carry your crap. lol.. oh yes people have some crazy ideas about load outs. how are you gonna carry water and food. not many places can support a population by hunting. especially a crapload of refugees wondering around. good demo of actual bulk and weight.
PavlovSandor 1 year ago
eye-opening. Dude seriously, thanks. I was leaning on 12 ga and 30-06... not gonna happen. time to get some 22lr.
510shooter510 1 year ago
Good topic to bring up and discuss. People really don't tend to think about how much shit weighs and that everything adds up (weight wise). This is why I say....run to Wal-Mart or any general goods store where you can have, shelter, food, ammo, and other goodies needed (and some not so "needed") to survive. =P
XxLeggZxX 1 year ago
My combat load out in the Marines was between 150 to 250 lbs including all my gear and explosives. It was pretty miserable. But I also carried the M240g and at least one satchel charge. Some of the time I didn't have to actually carry it all on my person though.
TheHossUSMC 1 year ago
@TheHossUSMC There is no doubt that a fire-breathing Marine can carry a load out which would break most of us in half. :-)
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
Nice work !
Tango10Charlie 1 year ago
I use a SPRINFIELD M6 Survival rifle and I can carry lots of ammo because it is light. My pack weighs under 60lbs. for one month survival. I also have many caches to supplement my pack if I need to stay out for a year or longer. I also have a Walther 22 pistol to have on me. My theory is to avoid contact with any people and to maintain mobility long term prepping and be able to move about.
TheStealthCamper 1 year ago
This is one of the main reasons I think that bugging out should be an absolute, LAST option. You simply cannot carry enough with you to supply your basic needs in a long term situation.
Thank you for making this video, keeping people grounded seems to be difficult sometimes.
UrbanCombatSurvivor 1 year ago
I believe in the 60lbs. I.N.C.H. backpack with intent to survive rather than engage in conflict. My BOB is complete and SHELTER, FOOD, WATER options are most important. I believe in living in the woods and thriving as opposed to survival. and cheap survival gear. Bringing a tarp and 3 days food, and a big knife with the intent to chop trees is a joke. You will freeze, starve, and run out of energy. You will make to much noise chopping away and will get sick of it quickly. "RAMBO FOOLS"
TheStealthCamper 1 year ago
This is what I preach....... A great BOB will be made for long term and have gear and ammo and weapon for that. I see these stupid 72hour bags with tons of ammo, night vision gear, tactical web gear and bullet proof vest. They think they are going to war and really are not building a long term bag. The will starve or freeze to death or retreat back to FEMA Camp. I feel the Assault rifle gear is best in the cities where you can caache the ammo better and become a looter for food
TheStealthCamper 1 year ago
Back in the day when I was young I rucked a pack that weighed about 75+ lbs and that was without a base load of ammo (250 rounds give or take). Of course I was in the best shape back then.
You gotta be real and as a middle age guy (mid 40s) I cant do what I used to - tho I am in better shape than most ppl my age, you gotta plan to bug in or go to place/s where you have additional stores of ammo, food, water, etc.
Good video & common sense. Keep it up.
:D
SafeArmsReview 1 year ago
I thought you were joking at first. I'm a pretty big fella, but I wouldn't want to hump all that ammo! Add survival gear, and you would have to be one helluva man to carry that load out for any distance.
GunznGear 1 year ago
-- I hope that you are proud of yourself. -- You have just cased several "KeyBoard Kommandos" to sit there in front of their Mommy's computer in their little Rambo Panties to cry their little eyes out! 8^{P> ---- GREAT DEMOSTRATION SIR!
AppalachianFreedom 1 year ago
but sometimes you cant take a well aimed shot. for me id rather carry less ammo but a larger round. the pistol should be your backup firearm all you need is at most 4 mags.
cbr6864 1 year ago
all depends on where you are, if in an urban area your going to want penetration 5.56 just wont do it like 7.62X39. or if you need range then .308 is for you. standard load out is 7 30rd mags.
things to consider on handguns is damage done per round sure you can carry 500 rounds of .22 but how much damage will it do? the .45 is heavy but it is a one shot stop. when i go hog hunting i carry my .45 to finish them off all it takes is one. sure the 9mm will do it with a well placed shot.
cbr6864 1 year ago
Great points! The weight issue really is an issue when it comes to bugging out. Hopefully we can all bug in, and avoid carrying all that!
TheLateBoyScout 1 year ago
Great video!
SuperLittlebuddha 1 year ago
Finally! You are the first Youtuber to use the term "firepower" correctly! This is slowly becoming my favorite channel. Once again, excellent video!
kevinarmstrong1 1 year ago
@kevinarmstrong1 Thanks for the kind words.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
You have proven you have to muck ammo! "They" are coming after you now! Great video man! This why you have a bug out vehicle.
Mrcaffinebean 1 year ago
Great vid. I hope peeps listen to ya. typical load out should consist of 3 clips for pistol (1 in gun) 180 for main rifle (in clips) extra 50 rounds for pistol, 300 for main rifle. 3 days food, some form of collapsible water container plus filtration, 3 pairs socks, one shirt, bed roll, and shelter. That usually puts you over the 60 pound mark. The most important item is water, then shelter, then food. Course there are other items like knife, rope or cord, tape, etc. It adds up real quick.
IsbianBlackheart 1 year ago
@IsbianBlackheart my hunting pack alone weighs in at 55-65lbs depending on weather and that is 1 pistol 2 mags, 1 rifle 1 mag 40 rounds. your water alone for 3 days will weigh in at over 13lbs and that is only 2 liters a day.
if you are packing a combat load you will be a good 90+lbs
cbr6864 1 year ago
@cbr6864 heck ya, it adds up. I've got my pack down to 55 lbs. that does not count my rifle, pistol, mags, etc on my lbe. Luckily I'm using the aluminum g3 mags for my cetme, and I've streamlined for weight on all the equipment I carry. In many cases I made my own items just to save weight and or money. My lbe is 45 lbs. plus 8lbs rifle. so my total load out is over 100. Now I could lessen that a bit by detaching my buttpack that carries 3 days food, poncho, cord, tape, cleaning kit etc.
IsbianBlackheart 1 year ago
Thank you for laying it out like this. Now I can point people to this video to hopefuly get them thinking strait. For my personal load out: 1-Ar15+5mags(150rd's), 1-S&W4006+5mags(55rd's), 1-bersa380+3mags(21rd's, in pack) and a back pack of camping/survival gear, good for 6 days. And it all still ways out around 90lbs. And yes I have humped this around for a day. Its frickin' HEAVY! Keep up the good work and Keep sharing the knowledge!!!
oyarrito 1 year ago
Wouldn't the .223 being a .22 caliber bullet give you a smaller whole than a 9mm or .45 ACP ? I thought that combat rifles are actually meant to pass through the victim so 2 soldiers would have to carry the injured back. Thus winning by default basically.
datguy781 1 year ago
@datguy781 When .223 hits you it is scootin' along at about 3000 fps. When it hits it causes hydrostatic shock. Basically a shock wave goes through your body and it causes tissue to "explode". Look up some photos of people who were shot with a .223. It gets ugly. While they may weigh more than .223; 9mm or .45 just doesn't have the speed.
metalhead2508 1 year ago
OK, Off topic but I have the same skeleton. I think my wife ordered it. That is all
datguy781 1 year ago
Hope these folks have bug out tractors.
choody34 1 year ago
I love your videos my friend. I have been a fan of Zombie Tactics Channel since your survival on the cheap series. I especially enjoy how you bring a sense of realism to the tactical/survival youtube community. Keep up the good work.
bestevez32 1 year ago
@bestevez32 Thanks ... much appreciated.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
what is the lightest round pistol and rifle round????? ps im a good shot with 22 lr
modernplayer1 1 year ago
@modernplayer1 I think you answered your own question.
metalhead2508 1 year ago
Very informative. Personally, my zombie bug out bag would be more tailored towards scavenging. I'd carry two guns of very common easy to find ammunition (probably 5.56 and 9mm or 45 ACP). Save all my mags, conserve ammo whenever possible, try to keep myself light weight and quiet to sneak around or just run from zombies. A machete, maybe a few other blades for utility purposes, blunt object for bashing skulls, flashlights, food, water... It'll be trial and error, see what works and what doesn't.
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modernplayer1 1 year ago
Some great points give you something to think about, good video
GARYMANDIEVAN 1 year ago
well done
weaponeer 1 year ago
@weaponeer Thank you sir. I enjoy your stuff as well.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
Wow. That was an amazing video.
revisualize 1 year ago
I think this guy is my favorite dude since Nutnfancy and Sootch00. Of course neither of them ever talk about zombies.
fidgetingfinch 1 year ago
@fidgetingfinch Wow, this might be one of the nicest comments ever.
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
Haha, I seen the .22 coming from about the 2 minute mark. I always laugh at people when they start talking about their BOB firearms. Also, How about .17hmr or .22magnum? Both great choices.
wolvee123 1 year ago
haha , i'll be screwed then ...we have a shit ton of .45 and .223 as well as .308
pray4chicken 1 year ago
Good job snatching the people back into the realm of reality. Ammo is always fun until you have to hump it around.
Crustymarine 1 year ago
Outstanding video! Excellent points.
HyperInflationNation 1 year ago
★★★★★
MadBadVoodo 1 year ago 2
@MadBadVoodo Thanks MBV
ZombieTactics 1 year ago
This is why it's good to have family members that can be designated ammo carriers in a SHTF situation. Also did you buy all these bulk boxes at the Gun Show? If not where did you get em?
safewaysecurity 1 year ago
Everybody knows you have to remove the head of Zombies. Geez.
2 Machetes - 2 lbs each. Crisscrossed across my back.
jtslcjtslc 1 year ago
I'm a big fan of .22lr. People don't give it the nod that it deserves. Great vid!
DocTacDad 1 year ago
agreed
usframe 1 year ago
Awesome video ZT!
Some of these couch commanders have clearly never thought about this realistically. If you're not going to be honest about the situation then you may as well not address it at all.
1000 rounds of ANY ammo is a STOCKPILE not a combat loadout LOL
MainTightSqueeze 1 year ago
dont forget the guys bringing their Lee Loader reloading equipment. :)
beast12101 1 year ago
BTW, when this kind of thing was done in the British Army, it was couched in bags of sugar equivalence, on some kind of theory it would help people visualise the weights. But humping the stuff around god-forsaken military training areas soon drives the point home.
kalliste23 1 year ago
Great video. Now maybe people will understand better the switch from 7.62 NATO to 5.56 NAT0.
kalliste23 1 year ago
glock 33 with 6 mags, 200 spare rounds. Conversion barrel for 22, 9mm, and just a 40 cal barrel. No ammo for the last barrels, just in case you run out... covers 4 popular ammo selections. Mossberg 500 with 50 rounds staggered 00 buck/slugs.
nojoke9310 1 year ago
My wife would carry the ammo ... ;-D
schubidubap 1 year ago
i dont know why so many peopel think bugging out is such a great idea. that is the absolut LAST thing i would EVER do . why leave your fortification of your house? i can have 450 pounds of ammo and wont have to ever worry about putting it in a back pack lol
StiThis1 1 year ago
@StiThis1 The thing is, if you live in the city or a place like where I live, staying is not an option because there's no sustainable resource-per-person ratio. You'd have to bug out to a prepared area, so just enough to get you there
DemonHide 1 year ago
@DemonHide do you have an idea of where/how you would leave? that seems a difficult task.
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe As it stands, I got nowhere to go. I'm hoping I can scrounge up some ISO containers and build a mini-fort or an underground bunker somewhere down South in the mountains. I can probably get them for cheap, but transport and on-site equipment will be a real headache. And all this if I can manage it in time.
DemonHide 1 year ago
I don't have any guns, but if worst comes to worst, I would get a .22 rifle, and a .22 pistol, and have about 1000 rounds. It's cheap, light-weight, and a good marksman can easily use the round to get definate kills. The only problem: I'm probably not a good marksman .-. For now, i'l stick with my baseball bat with a nail through it.
blah596 1 year ago
@blah596 if you shot them through they eye youd get a kill. i seen vids of people get pepperd by 22 and nothing happend. and 1000 rounds of ammo would be enough for one day in a apocalypse
StiThis1 1 year ago
@StiThis1 Not just the eye, but beside the eye, the forehead, the general brain area. One day though? Yeah, if you shoot everything that moves 7 times .-.
blah596 1 year ago
@blah596 if ur talking about zombie apocolypse think about it how many people are in you city . 30,000 . u think 1000 rounds will last you till the end of times. dream city . and .22 is so cheap u might as well buy 10k rounds at once
StiThis1 1 year ago
People don't read the zombie survival guide right! lol WONDERFUL video!
BitFox 1 year ago
lol nice video. you do hear people all the time talking about what they are gonna carry, but they never seem to consider the logistics. i always think of carrying a lot of ammo in a vehicle, but never on my person on foot. take a few mags. preferably some hi-cap mags. i'd want to carry 6 -8 at a time. secondary weapon would be a sawed off shotgun. 12 ga. over under maybe with some reloads on my belt. then a melee weapon. a machete or axe and basically anything else i can whack a zombie with
thedefinitive 1 year ago
im glad that you are actually showing people the relistic weight of amunition. im sick of talking to my friend saying stuff like hundreds of rounds of ammo. you can get most of that ammo with you, but you will have it to give a person in a pack with no other supplies in it. but ill mostly be carrying my shotgun ammo with me(12 guage).
GregCorporations 1 year ago
you rock! .22 my favorite round. bigger is nice but size is not everything. ;-) sometimes i really thing, the people at my range should trowe their big, manly weapons instead of fireing them and hitting everything but not the targert.
69xarfai96 1 year ago
thanks 4 keepin it real!
superdznuts99 1 year ago
I've been advocating the .22lr for years... THANK YOU !!! Now if I can just track down more pre-ban mags for my 10/22... (damn NY state laws consider a 10/22 an assault weapon with more than a 10 round mag)
wbfos 1 year ago
10 ar mags and 300 rds extra
5 pistol mags and 200 rds extra
You know most people tell me I'm crazy for ever thinking about things like that.
smttysmth02gt 1 year ago
I would take one of my horses, I'm not walking ;)
MrSteve65 1 year ago
They're probably talking about having all those rounds in their car. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.
CleverDjembe 1 year ago
Flintlock muzzleloader and a bullet mold... remake bullets with the shrapnel you find in your kills, snag wheel-weights when you find them, and you can load the sucker with rocks if you're just hunting birds. Black powder isn't hard to make once you know how.
Then my XDm with conversion barrels to use 9, 40 and 357 SIG. I can take a couple hundred rounds and hope to find/trade for more later... versatility of using multiple rounds is good!
Then there's the trusty bow, axe, knife...
Amhrafaidh 1 year ago
Primary = 1 in the gun, 3 on my vest and 6 in my bag gives me 300rnds total of 5.56
Secondary = 1 in the gun and 3 on my vest for my .45 gives me 32 rnds of .45 acp.
All up its around 1lb/mag of 5.56 and about .75lb/mag for pistol. Pistol as secondary gets roughly 1/3 the ammo of my primary system.
Best advice is to bug out to a place, friends and family are a good start but have a plan. Otherwise you're a refuge w/ a gun.
Daytonaman675 1 year ago
Another great video ZT. It hits home with me because my friends and I all have plans for the "Zombie Apocalypse" and gathering up our gear. And it surprises me every time we talk just how much "Stuff" they think they can carry. I always try to stress .22LR as a lightweight round that can get the job done if you aim properly. Thank you stressing this point for me in a well made informational video. I'm favoriting this video for the next time this discussion arises.
xSeDxBlade 1 year ago
Great way to put everything into perspective.
scorpio3949 1 year ago
My buddy just got an old Vietnam Solder bag with the frame and everything for distrubuting the weight and all. Would that help at all?
Which firearm/ammunition do you recommend?
MusicMan53100 1 year ago
Someone is going to need a wheel barrel.
GunsKnivesSurvival 1 year ago
Man 1000 rounds of 9mm really?Maybe 50 rounds of 9mm and 300 of 223 MAX. You have to carry a tent and water and all the other stuff you need. I would have a firearm that shoots .22 cal so i can actually have 1000 rounds if I need it. .22 is so under rated, it is probably te best round for survival. Thanks so much for mentioning the .22.
nickwoo2 1 year ago