I don't necessarily think you where being judgmental but maybe answering previous criticisms and condemnations with ,what I think is the logical view that, ethics are either integral to Christianity and Christians that fail to adhere to them are open to criticism or they are not a part of Christianity and therefore no assumption of moral superiority can be made. Either way if their actions are unethical you can criticize their behavior without judging the perpetrators, a concept lost on many.
Being closed minded shouldn't be a part of being an atheist. After being condemned repeatedly for being morally deficient It is hard not to point out the obvious hypocrisy of the supposed moral superiority of Christianity, or any other religion, when so many of their members either adhere to these christian ethical standards but fail miserably to attain them or don't adhere to these ethical standards as part of Christianity and lose any grounds for moral superiority. You can't have it both ways
What is a Christian? Someone who is "Christ like". What example has been given? Christ is the Bible. That does not include getting high, but being different from the rest of the world. In terms of being judgmental, Christians can be the worst. Truth is that it's a level playing field: we all fall short of the Glory of God. Our job as Christians is to love people and God's to judge them.
nice how all christian try to threaten atheist with hell...first off u can't threaten someone with something that is so unlikely to exist. secoundly: did u even read the bible, christians? no person i know never worked on sunday ex 35:2 .. if hell exists everyone goes there .. no exceptions.
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Not all christians are like that get it right .If you're a true christian you wont go out and get drunk , high , or whatever . ++ wait til judgement dayy sweetie . You'll wish you believed in God .
ugh i like your videos but please at least mention that atheism has no doctrine and that there is no such thing as a "bad" atheist.....you know what i mean.
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well idk if ur still wanting a definition but here. Christians: people who follow Christ and put his will in their life above all else, people who love and serve and spread the Gospel(good news). i think ur a good person and have a good heart, be u :)
WRONG, Nikki! It is not wrong to place a standard of Christianity, what you know they believe and why (such as monogomy, holding your body as "god's temple" which would rule out the use of drugs, and so forth) upon those who seek to follow the faith.
It's not up to us to judge them as people. However, it is perfectly reasonable to be upset with someone acting in complete hypocrisy to their supposed religion. These are supposedly "ambassadors" for a supreme being. The standard is rather high.
neonsilkworm-- Valid point. I too, am an Athiest. It's very important to lead by example. I don't go around trying to convince believers of any god, budda, mohammad or perhaps a shiny penny held in their pocket, that it's wrong. Belief in anything that does not harm anyone,anywhere any time is ok with me.
I think if we look at what people do, Christian or not, there will always be disappointments, b/c sin is human-nature and we are all gonna do it. The difference between Christian and Non-Christians is accepting the gift of Jesus Christ or not.
ya, there's a lot of different views that go under that word. some people might just consider themselves to be in that group b/c of how they were raised, others consider themselves to be one later on by their own decision, some do that, but aren't "true" believers according to others b/c they believe the wrong thing/s....
Paraphrase: 'I don't read just atheist books i read other books to get different perspectives...'
That doesn't make you a bad atheist; that makes you the best kind of atheist. KEEP DOING IT! The choice to be atheist made in ignorance is just as bad as a non-thinking or blind faith choice to be theist. (As if there's another way to do it.)
P.S. yeah your roommates aren't 'bad' christians but they're a little off 'the path.' :-P
I'm an atheist, and I think if your desire is to have an impact on these guys, a way might be to ask them if they've ever thought of the spiritual lives of the girls they're bringing home. If, by sleeping with them, they're giving these girls the view that Christians are hypocrites, or disobey the Bible and use women, then maybe your roommates don't really understand Christianity. If they don't really understand it, maybe they don't really know Jesus; aren't really saved. That should get 'em.
Maybe, but most atheists fit the description of the stereotype perfectly. Just like most niggers fit the "stereotype" of drug-running gang members. Can a stereotype be invalid if the majority of its targets actually fit it like a glove? Hey, if the shoe fits...
Most atheists arent evil. What are you talking about? Its the bible that makes us seem all evil and all the rumours christians spread around. Most atheists I know are pretty friendly
Hmm... Maybe atheists are only friendly to their own kind. Most atheists that I've had the displeasure of knowing are unpleasant and militant in their unbelief. The ones I hear about on the news, like Michael Newdow and Dan Barker are strident in their opposition to people of faith. The vocal atheists on Youtube seem to be foul mouthed, obnoxious whiners. (See The "Amazing" Atheist) I base my comment on my own experiences with atheists.
The Amazing Atheist is somewhat of trying to seek attention and name calling and such but there are many other atheists who are nice. Like: frisbeesandflipflops
And people on the news try to bring the angry atheists on the news to try to make atheists seem bad and their new company feel good.
I could say the same for you christians. There are some who are good with atheists, but most will criticize and attack them. Take Gorilla199 how he attacks atheists with very harsh stuff i must admit.
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when the basis for your view of atheists is akin to your disgusting, racists comments and feelings towards African Americans? It is equally telling that you describe atheists as being friendly to "their own kind". The internet certainly has a way of compelling people to reveal their true selves.
There is in fact one generalization of African Americans that you reminded me does exist. Most African Americans don't seem to hold it against me that I happen to share my race with ignorant narrow-minded human garbage such as yourself.
I now take my leave of you. Please give my regards to your wife-sister.
I can't believe you're making an argument asserting that atheists are mean while you call most blacks niggers. I understand your point that a stereotype really isn't one if it's true. I would argue that there are many atheists that are great people. I'm an Atheist/Agnostic and I find The Amazing Atheist to be a prick. It's his personality, not his beliefs, that makes him that way. No religion can make us immune to the imperfections of the human race.
It is unfortunate that our world is so overly obsessed with being "politically correct", it has become socially unacceptable to call a negro a "nigger". What's even more bewildering is that it's supposedly perfectly okay when negroes call themselves niggers. I don't understand it, but then I don't particularly care about being PC. I'll call them niggers if I want.
The reason why people say that you are a "bad" atheist or whatever, is likely that in their perspective(including my own honestly) if atheism is true then it follows that existence is absurd. While I agree, I used to go around and first thing I'd say to nontheists is that they are borrowing from Christian assumptions, but I realize now that I should show them a little bit more respect. Saying something like this is tantamount to someone calling my God a magical sky daddy.
I think as a human species we should all strive to better understand each others worldviews because we are who we are based on genes and upbringing.
A great day will be here when instead of forcing each other into boxes, or looking for spiritual fullfilment in dangerous world leaders or ideaologies, we instead focus on managing our place here on earth and getting a better understanding of our universe.
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
All i can say to finish this off is I hope all of you meet a wholesome Christian person who can influence you and someday bring you to a personal relationship to Jesus Christ.
God created this entire world and every individual in it, according to Christian dogma. Therefore, yes, God has absolute control over everything we do.
Being new to this discussion I apologize if I repeat somebody's thought but..
You're not "misjudging " them, rather you're holding them to their own belief's standards. If they are religionists who have rules yet they violate them, they are hypocritical.
There is nothing wrong with learning the other's point of view.
That's a mark of intelligence.
I may not agree with your beliefs/religious choice but I do appluad you for questioning those around you & holding others to their own standards.
We can judge Christians, because we're NOT Christians. We don't live by their rules.
By attempting to make you feel bad for judging them, their attempting to lure you into the Christian way. it's brainwashing.
Although, if Christians didn't judge me...I wouldn't judge them...but this is not the case, because they are the instigators who cry about being the victims
Be careful, if you let Christians start making you feel bad about yourself...slippery slope
It's impossible for one to consider themselves xstian, and not think their better than others.
xstians believe they have the knowledge that nobody else has....they have the "answer"
it's impossible, by biblical defintion to be a moderate xstian, therefore I would contend that you are a spiritual person and not a religious person
remember Christianity does NOT own the copyrights to love, compassionate, and humility....they are NOT christian traits....just good traits....much love
What are these rules that u speak of?Jesus left us with two,loveyour god with all your heart and mind,and love your neighbor.OH and good luck keeping both of those all the time.I fail just about everytime i get on the highway.
Sure u can live as you like,but if your a believer it is impossible to call your worldly choices anything other than sin.Also your roommates,if they are saved,will never find peace.Forgiveness, without question.Peace?Impossible.
Honey,ive been a believer for 32 yrs and totally struggle with the 'old man'.Scripture states that everthing is permissable after Christ but not profitable.Man is that the truth.
I understand where you're coming from. But I dont feel bad about judging "bad christians" because like you said they have certain rules to follow. And they'll try to make the excuse that they're only human and they make mistakes, but i believe that mistakes are made by accident. A lot of christians "sin" knowing that they're just going to ask for forgiveness afterwards (which I would consider spitting in gods face). But if there were real proof of a god/heaven/hell they wouldnt behave that way
Ask them their definition of Christianity, and then instead of judging them ask what they would consider wrong. If they agree that your earlier objections are wrong, then they are being bad Christians. Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but Christians are supposed to repent of those mistakes and not hold on to "nobody's perfect" as if it was an excuse for apathy. Don't feel bad! Just ask questions so they have to respond instead of pointing out your "jump" to conclusions.
Wonderful! Reading Carl Sagan with you bare feet in the sand :) So sweet. Maybe you also watched his/the television series? Makes one think of the theme music when you sit there on the beach. Keep posting videos - they are delightful!
i have faith in good all the way but both of your virsons of life makes no scene atheist dont think that they wher created by god while christains not only force religion on people they are ok with having sex even when married thats sick pleasur to do stuff like that so i dont attrack to nether gender but i dont preach to no one but both seem to think i'm lieing about not having feelings to any gender i get sick to my stoamach seeing stuff like that
let me see athiest dont think they wher created and some preach their ways christains preach their some religoin and hate on gays and thats only a hand full of them and both to me and refering to some judge me for not being sexual active to any gender ive been their and no feeling they judge me because of that i like your vid because you can see that its not all christains that are like that for people like myself its not a life style
It's refreshing to hear that you read both sides- I am a Christian who also reads both sides. I have read Dawkins, Hitchens, and Sam Harris among many others. Now about your judgement of your roommates, it may be correct. Consider what Jesus said when told his mother and brothers wanted to see him, " Who are my mothers and brothers? Here are my mother and brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother" Matthew:12,48-49 Also read Matthew:7,21.
U should find out what a real Christian is supposed to be and then look for them, they are harder to find than you may realize. If you did that you'd also find that you didn't understand the bible as you thought either. Chances are you never will, but that is indeed the fruit of the capture you should plant into your mind to really grow that thought of understanding you claim you want.
A religion is a of way of life based on a [specific belief system] about the the creator/life force or whatever. This belief system is generally expressed through actions such as prayer, rituals, or other practices. How can someones lack of belief in anything be seen as a belief in something?
Ya know anything can become a Religion. E.g. a Mathematicians Belief in a set of theories. If a new set of theories comes out debunking or expounding upon the old, the previous Mathematician may be so rigidly dedicated to the old theories, and refuse to accept the new, because, he has committed so much time & energy to those theories. (Weve seen that happen all the time in orthodox religions).
We see the same loyal devout following regarding persons with particular political affiliations, jobs, clubs & organizations, sports, hobbies, and a vast number of institutionalized ideologies, etc.
As a matter of fact, speaking of Religions, Im thinking of joining FrisbeesANDFlipFlops CHURCH OF CAKES OF BATTER DOUGH PLATES
ok, but does that mean that this "Force that constructs and maintains the mathematical balance of all aspects of nature throughout the Universe" (quite a claim) is selfaware? that this "force" cares specifically about an speciffic specie in one speciffic planet amongst billions or it leaves us alone? and if so, then why care or worship this force? the problem is not this supposed force is what mankind did and still doing in it's name according to speciffic beliefs. Atheism=no religion.
I wonder why it's hard for religious people to understand that there are no stereotypical attributes you can subscribe to atheists, except that they all do not believe in a higher power.
I'm atheist and I have a deep passion for religious art. I have virgin mary and jesus picture in my room. Some statues. I even have a Jesus tatt and a Mary Tatt.
I believe they were nice people but I don't believe they were God. That will just be ridiculous.
Sirisnin, you believe Jesus was just a nice person. He spoke of eternal damnation and said that those who did not put their trust in Him would perish for eternity. So either he was who He said HE was, namely God, or insane, or an opportunist. But to say He was just a nice person is a very SOFT answer.
If you had read the Bible you would know that Jesus Christ couldn't have been a 'nice person', 'good man', 'prophet' or anything else people will tell you he was, do some reading and you will see what I am getting at.
Christians can reason away anything,which is why I don't argue with them.You're not "judging" to have noticed the inconsistency between what they say and what they do.
I guess it really depends on if the Christians thought getting high was "sinful". If they're being true to their professed values, then what the hey. But if they're being hypocritical, then recognizing that hypocrisy is not being judgemental; it is merely being observant to recognize a hypocrite. Now, can you trust hypocrites? Like the used car salesman says, "We cheat the other guy and pass the savings on to you!" You can trust hypocrites to say whatever suits them best.
Even if I needed god that wouldn't change the fact that I think there is no god ...at no point in my life would I be able to fool myself in believing there is a god no matter what difficult situation I'm in or how much I would want there to be a god. I often get the feeling theist just can't grasp the tought that an atheist really doesn't believe there is a god or devil or allah or thor or whatever acient people used to make sence of the world they live in because of there lack of knowledge.
Many Christians believe that being a Christian involves saying you're a Christian and quoting a few scriptures.
We have a Christian president elect who's scripture involves taking care of "the least of these" while he's given an average of 4% to charity over an eight year period and supports abortion on demand for any reason.
You don't have to look hard to find phoney Christians. You know them by their fruits.
About judging christians and atheists, thats a difficult one indeed. The problem is that according to the bible the only wrong action is not asking for forgivness for youre sins. The starting possision is that you allready are a sinner and you always will be. In short you can do whatever you want all you have to do is ask for forgivness. The only thing the bible judges is disbelief. Anyway thank you for making me think about this subject.
Getting information about other things besides atheism can't be a bad thing...how else could you know that atheism is the right choice? Excluding information is the one thing I usually dislike about religious people. The reason I'm an atheist is because I listen and discuss religion with muslims and christians(for example). It would just be silly to say I'm an atheist therefore I don't want to know anything about religion. Hiding yourself from information just means youre afraid to be wrong.
My sole aim in life is not for truth. Everywhich way you turn there is truth.
According to the bible there are to mediums for truth, there is God and the Devil, both of which provide truth, now obviously one (the Devil) tries to present himself as THE truth while the other is truth.
^^^ The bible is true because it says it is true! How could I miss that? ~~YOUR VERSION~~ of the gospel is no more special than a church's. Believe it.
"My sole aim in life is not for truth."
Err? What else is there?
"as THE truth while the other is truth."
You really have to explain yourself or you just sound ridiculous.
Honestly who in their right mind wouldn't want to believe in God??? Now I don't want to confuse anyone, my beliefs are not that of mainstream Churchianity, I'm not tossed about by every wind of doctrine. My experience is just that it's my experience and you can believe me or not, none of that matters. But if you are curious to what my take is on things ask me... But, don't ask me something that is riddled with circular logic... I cannot change what IMPRESSION Churchianity may have given you:)
I don't think it is a matter of want. I have often thought about how nice it would be to believe in a God that answers prayers, intervenes when times are rough, etc. However, besides this thought, I have no reason to believe that God exists and am not willing to delude myself for the sake of fulfilling this pleasure inducing thought. I prefer to be led by reason, as that is what ultimately makes me happy. If any substantial evidence for God happened to drop into my lap, I would happily believe.
To jinitron: You should watch her video about TAA. While I appreciate that you are an atheist, ridiculing theists is not going to make them more accepting of you or any atheist for that matter. This kind of behavior only breeds defiance, and the stronger the defiance, the stronger they become rooted in their religious beliefs and opposed to ours. Ponder on this: Truth can be postponed, but pride must be protected at any cost.
I'm not interested in their acceptance. If they want to be obstinant, so? I don't care if they are rooted in their religion. Stay there, please. The more rooted they are, the less likely the are to avoid the truck of reality and progress.
According the the Bible I get to do greater works than Jesus Christ!! Also because I practice the principles I find in the bible, I get to be free from all of the entanglements of the world - for instance debt, the bible shows me how not to fall prey to it. Believing in God and being His son, Is like being a Superhero, with a mission in regards to life. Excercising my power and God given authority, and if I screw up. I ask God to forgive me, and pick myself up and try again. No condemnation:)
And It's so much more fun to have the belief that God is always with me wherever I go, and that His power works within me to accomplish His will which is good, perfect, and acceptable. I can speak in tongues, heal people, raise the dead, cast out devil spirits. I get to participate in life daily with much joy, enthusiasm, and exicitment. Life is always an adventure with God at my side. 'to know that what I believe is true and I have the proof because like I said I experience it daily:)
"Getting through the day without God is easier than getting through life without him"
I'm Agnostic, but I'm sorry thats bull! Life makes less sense with a personal God than it does without one.
I no longer have to make the excuse that "it was God's will" when a baby dies of SIDS under a personal God, everything is already set, everybody already knows what going to happen, cause they can just say "God willed it."
I'd rather live my life under Occam's Razor than under a personal God.
Yeah I guess you could say that the difference between Atheist and Christians is that Atheist oppose the idea of intelligent design as well as God. While as a christian I myself believe in God, and I see proof of Him everyday, and I also get to experience His power in my life everyday, oh and I also get to understand why the world is how it is, and...and I get to help people overcome problems or seemingly insurmountable circumstances because I practically apply the principles I find in the bible
I agree you dont seem to be an atheist if u insinuated that they were stupid for being christians because they smoke pot. We dont look at theist and say well he's not a good muslim or christian he contradicts he's religion. We look at the facts not the people the people are usualy irelevant today we live in a theist world they are everywhere reading a book written by a theist or has aspects of religion in it is no suprise. We are not chauvanist and we live in a theist world it might change
in my own subjective morality, when someone does something that they believe is wrong (whether or not i agree) then i consider them immoral.
for instance, i don't think it's wrong to smoke pot. but if i know someone who thinks it is wrong, but they do it anyway, then i know that that person doesn't hold their own behavior up to their own moral standards. if they'd do that what would make me think they wouldn't steal from me, etc.
Atheism is not a lifestyle choice... it is the only rational choice in regards to the existence of a God or Gods. We were all born atheists, and for christians to think that of all the possible gods they could worship, that they somehow picked the right one is based on what? Faith? How do we base that? And as we all know, a baseless assumption is irrational. So until they can prove otherwise we automatically have to defer to the null hypothesis...what we were born believing, which is atheism.
Speaking as an atheist, I think it makes you a good one - a wise one - to listen to lots of other points of view. It's always better to understand an issue from all sides rather than few. Kudos to you!
You actually sound like a really good one, to me. At least you're open to finding answers and you're intellectually honest about things.
That's all good stuff.
I do think it's pretty disappointing though that you're roommates are the way they are.
I don't know them, so I can't really judge the truth of the matter, but it sounds like they're either hypocrites OR they clueless-ly 'claim' Christianity.
Nikki I remember that back in the 1970s there was a branch of evangelical Christianity that did drugs and other things not ordinarily associated with Christianity. I was a child but neighbors Win and Jan would ride around in a vw bus and smoke pot and talk about how Christ and his disciples smoked pot and give me these frightening children's cartoons about armegeddon. Maybe it continues today. lol
Hmmm...your pondering the question leaves me a little confused...I think those who accuse you of being a 'bad' atheist do not stand in the same relation to you as you do to those "Christians" at your house... And I assume that those who accuse you call themselves atheists (it seems strange to me for a 'Christian' to accuse an 'atheist' of being a 'bad' one)
or are you talking about judging people in general?
...anyways...I am enjoying your channel - that'd be great to hear about your conversations with those "Christians" in your house...maybe when they are not high....
I think you're totally on the right track. As atheists it's only "no belief" and nothing more. To ascribe anything more than that would be, in my mind, equivalent to ascribing a belief system around the idea of -not- believing in the easter bunny. I like the idea that we, as atheists or otherwise, must recognize the (interesting) differences in others and strive to not suffer the same level of piousness, righteousness, or hubris just because we believe our position is the correct one.
I thought it would be prudent to add that as far as unseenstrings statement, "Please don't have children until you realize they are not truly responsible for the beliefs they acquire" is basically his way of saying that he hopes you are able to see how people are products of their environments and that beliefs are limited to the influences within those environments and that children (or any human being for that matter) are limited by what they learn to choose.
It's nice to see that you're stumbling onto what unseen has had to say about this. I'd like to quote some of what you said that I personally enjoyed; "Everybody makes mistakes" followed by "Christians are just people who believe in Jesus", I agree. As well as "point being I shouldn't judge them for their beliefs". You're friends who make you feel like a "bad atheist" feel similarly to the way you do with an inability to express that they have a standard you're supposed to be living up to.
I just realize something: you are interested in what other people believe. I'm only interested in the sensory input and innate reactions that lead to the belief. And generally people have no clue as to how their existing mindset developed. Therefore, listening to a thousand people each tell me they believe in ghosts, vampires, mermaids, gods, or pink unicorns doesn't teach me anything useful. Please don't have children until you realize they are not truly responsible for the beliefs they acquire
Buddy, don't lump in real supernatural happenings with vampires, mermaids, etc. You didn't experience what we did and you'd probably have a seizure once you learned you aren't so all knowing. I'd worry more about myself if i were you - you are one car crash, one heart attack, one slip on a bathroom floor away from finding out there's a lot more to God and the spirit world than you think. I know a few cops who believe- they weren't looking for mermaids or fantasies when they had their experience.
It is perfectly fine to be judgemental about christians because christianity by it's very nature is a judgemental religion. It's all about god judging them and they judging others. These people you live with are hypocrites. But that shouldn't suprise, all christians are hypocrites.
This is covered in "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis. If you've tried to read it, try again. I could tell you where it is; but I'm a Jew, and I would have to go to the Library. LOL. I, too, get criticism for reading books that make me a "bad Jew." Q: what's the difference between a bad Jew and a good Jew? A: to Hitler - none; to the IRS - none; to the Rabbi - ~10%. Every Christian, Jew, and aTHEIST is different until the Jihadists come aknockin' -LOLer
Most 'christians' are just talking it up because they're afraid of happens when they croak. I think it's sad that people try to act a certain way because of some eternal reward or punishment.
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930
Anyone who would stand at the altar and ask Jesus to come into her heart is already a believer; no conversion necessary. For an atheist to ask Jesus to come into her heart is like asking Peter Pan to come into her heart, because the atheist doesn't believe in any god and therefore doesn't believe the tall tales concerning Jesus. But I find it humorous that Christians usually deny that other believers are Christian, when the believers belong to a different sect or act differently than themselves.
I'll agree that Christians make metaphysical claims that they should adhere to and I dislike being referred to as "Christian" [quotation] for having liberal views and living with atheists... it's honestly painful to have my faith simplified and denigrated as such. Thanks for the vid/thoughts.
Ultimately only God will be only to have THE definition for a Christian although I believe in a pluralism of definitions. Meh.
One more thing: An atheist by definition is merely someone who lacks belief in any god. A Christian on the other hand is an adherent of a particular religion. An atheist creed and atheist dogma doesn't exists. But the Christian Creed and Christian Dogma does. The Christian assumes she gets her morals from her religion. However, the Christian gets her morals from the same place as the atheist--genetic predisposition and upbringing. Watch, ATHEIST RAMPAGE!!! (watch?v=BKnYdAKJ9VQ)
You're right when you say that Christians are held to a set of rules, some standards. We ARE to be sober minded and shouldn't be getting high. We SHOULDN'T be sleeping around. We shouldn't be vulgar. Yeah, we are held to a different standard. If these boys can admit that then that's a step in the right direction. If they don't think that stuff is wrong then they need an awakening.
Ya know Ms. Atheist, you're a cool cat. I pray one day you'll know Christ.
We are all athiests when we are born. More sensible question is do Christians really know why they are Christians? (Christianity is used here as an example, all religions are essentially the same.)
Im not sure that I totally agree when you say that its up to individuals to define Christianity for themselves it clearly says in the bible how your to act and what god expects from you. I think this is where Christianity and Atheism differ, as an atheist I can define how I want to live my life, I can define atheism for myself, there is no atheist bible its not wrong to want to read about other religions, cultures, lifestyles.
Everybody does make mistakes, getting high and bringing home strange girls all the time is not a mistake its a lifestyle. Christians are supposed to be held to a higher standard, they have a play book (the bible), for how their lives are to be scripted. Its not wrong to hold them accountable for their actions, so I dont feel like your judging them, just pointing out that they dont act like Christians. The Christians I know will tell you that its not enough to just call yourself a Christian.
frisbeesANDflipflops, you once said it yourself, i.e.: When talking with Christians, you must be on guard, because they are real good bullshitters. I'll add that the most persuasive bullshitter is the one who wins the argument and gets the most converts--not the speaker who was most logical. The same holds true for books. Therefore, I would recommend you read "The Demon Haunted World" to protect yourself from being suckered by a bunch of logical fallacies. Also watch Re: Porn Poema (58J9O1CHvbY)
Christians stereotype you, because of preconceived misconceptions about atheists. And I guess we stereotype Christians to a degree because of what we have been taught a Christian is suppose to be. I feel Christians aren't any different than atheists, except they happened to have developed and still hold a belief in Jesus. People do not choose what to believe. We develop our beliefs as a result of life's experiences. Watch Constructing Social Reality (pMxbnrxM1o8). Also, books effect perception.
The whole point of being an atheist is its not something you can be 'bad' at...!! thats just people who think its just replacing religion in some way...
Observing and recognizing blatant hypocrisy is not "judging."
Judging, I suppose, would be how one reacts to those observations. However, simply making the observation is unavoidable, and it is in no way a reflection of a fault.
atheism, just like any theistic belief can become dogmatic if you let it. to restrict yourself to certain actions or certain book..etc, all in the name of a belief can become a doctrine. being an atheist myself, i try to avoid that. it is always good to get different points of view, and you are to be commended for doing so
as far as judging others, it is a survival mechanism, like screaming in response to fear. it is within all humans, it is nothing to be ashamed of in itself. it is just a matter of doing so in an appropriate manner. BTW, if you dont mind me typing so, you look beautiful in this video.
yeah msginca you are so all knowing, so wise always so right - wrong. I'm sure you've seen it all. I've seen enough to know that the old five senses are not infallible and no matter how smart you think you are - you screwed up some kiddo. There is a God and a spirit world that sometimes screws with ours. They're making pictures of great interest to me in those UK fields (and it isn't two old men or a group of uber geeks making all of them). Don't let the door hit your butt on your way to Hell
i'd be curious to know what they would say as well, but they don't know now and i'm not planning on sharing that information with them for the sake of peace. i'm not as interested in "defending" my own position as i am knowing more about theirs.
That is the way to be. There is no need to attack a position or even defend one, the right questions at the right time have a bigger impact then all the attacks, or defenses.
don't worry bout the judgin thingy. these "christians," not all but some of them, only choose christianity as a free ticket 2 paradise, as they believe. they could care less wat they should or shouldn't do, as long as they get d reward 4 acceptin hezus. to corroborate, a friend of mine told me that d difference b/w christianity nd other religions is that a christian is forgiven 4 any sin, as long as he/she asks for forgiveness. so u can do watever nd still b rewarded accordin 2 him.
Your roomates may be hypocrites for getting high and bringing girls home, but I don't see anything especially unethical about that.
Christianity has a needlessly strict moral code to abide by, so it isn't suprizing that many don't follow it to the letter. Of course, that's probably a good thing since they may well be stoning sinners to death and the like if they were sufficiently fundamentalist.
For what it's worth, I don't think this whole thing should trouble you so much. I mean, you pretty much summarized it - atheists don't have any doctrines they need to abide by, because atheism isn't a religion.
Christianity IS a religion, DOES have doctrines, and the whole point of it is to set yourselves apart from the world. Be in the world, but not of it...Paul...not that ambiguous. After all, it is Paulianity....
The world is one big ego farm of the damned. The beyond is beyond for a reason you know. St. John was given a Revelation - something ultra special that simply doesn't happen normally. The spirit world is sneaky - it is much like reading the book Flatland. Folks laugh and say hah ha! I know better - there's no spirits! I'm soooo logical! Then once in a while a little rogue spirit comes along and screws with you or in the case of my friend, Kevin, starts tearing up his comic book shop. Oh yeh.
I'd say, don't worry about judging anyone. Life is too short to not do so. You HAVE to determine is someone is worth the effort...there are so many of us here.
And I'd add this: Any "Christian" will certainly be judging you, despite divine directives that judging is a sin.
By the way, I judge you to be rather more than a bit allright.
There's different types of Christians (or religious believers.) The ones that take everything literally, the ones that say they "are christians" and believe whatever that were taught, whilst ignoring the many factors of their own religion. The ones who don't even know about their own religion but claim to believe in it anyway.
I just find it sad that people label themselves, or only halfass believe in something. Like saying "I'm Christian and believe in Jesus and God" but ignore everything else.
For example, people will say "Yeah, I believe in the bible! I believe in God and Jesus is my savior!" yet, if you quiz them about the bible, they fail. Or you see them act or behave in a way that's against the religion. It's like saying I'm Jewish then start downing a pound of bacon. Or I'm Muslim while jugging down alcohol, and when people ask "What are you doing" I say, "It's okay, I believe in Allah."
re Martin Luther (not MLK). JimmerSD, you are correct about the masses (hehe) not reading the Bible themselves but having it read to them by the clergy instead. Obviously this allowed the church to pick and choose whatever silly bible stories that fit their personal agendas. Most people never read any of the Bible until the last couple hundred years. Even modern day version of Xmas is only around 120 years old. It's all a big con.
I don't necessarily think you where being judgmental but maybe answering previous criticisms and condemnations with ,what I think is the logical view that, ethics are either integral to Christianity and Christians that fail to adhere to them are open to criticism or they are not a part of Christianity and therefore no assumption of moral superiority can be made. Either way if their actions are unethical you can criticize their behavior without judging the perpetrators, a concept lost on many.
bullpcp 2 years ago
Being closed minded shouldn't be a part of being an atheist. After being condemned repeatedly for being morally deficient It is hard not to point out the obvious hypocrisy of the supposed moral superiority of Christianity, or any other religion, when so many of their members either adhere to these christian ethical standards but fail miserably to attain them or don't adhere to these ethical standards as part of Christianity and lose any grounds for moral superiority. You can't have it both ways
bullpcp 2 years ago
like the carl sagan book...very nice indeed
keggerous 2 years ago
What is a Christian? Someone who is "Christ like". What example has been given? Christ is the Bible. That does not include getting high, but being different from the rest of the world. In terms of being judgmental, Christians can be the worst. Truth is that it's a level playing field: we all fall short of the Glory of God. Our job as Christians is to love people and God's to judge them.
bigbadbob58 2 years ago
Screw 'em! They live by a set of rules, and those set of rules are thrown around all the time. To point out their hypocrisy is not bad at all.
Dall5000 2 years ago
nice how all christian try to threaten atheist with hell...first off u can't threaten someone with something that is so unlikely to exist. secoundly: did u even read the bible, christians? no person i know never worked on sunday ex 35:2 .. if hell exists everyone goes there .. no exceptions.
braamok 2 years ago
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Not all christians are like that get it right .If you're a true christian you wont go out and get drunk , high , or whatever . ++ wait til judgement dayy sweetie . You'll wish you believed in God .
Wellyourcool1 2 years ago
ugh i like your videos but please at least mention that atheism has no doctrine and that there is no such thing as a "bad" atheist.....you know what i mean.
im getting a thumbs down by a moron as i hit enter
toolegit2quittttt 2 years ago 4
Interesting, nice!
PD: what happend to your eyebrows???
AlexPiti5 2 years ago
ha! i wondered the same thing when i uploaded this.
i think it's a crappy cam/ lighting issue. they're still on my face, i swear!
frisbeesANDflipflops 2 years ago
I'm subsribing even if your eyebrows misteriously dissapear sometimes.
AlexPiti5 2 years ago
well idk if ur still wanting a definition but here. Christians: people who follow Christ and put his will in their life above all else, people who love and serve and spread the Gospel(good news). i think ur a good person and have a good heart, be u :)
MrKylehass 2 years ago
i think you are interesting, and i ve been going thru some of the same things and thoughts you have.
kidjade7 2 years ago
WRONG, Nikki! It is not wrong to place a standard of Christianity, what you know they believe and why (such as monogomy, holding your body as "god's temple" which would rule out the use of drugs, and so forth) upon those who seek to follow the faith.
It's not up to us to judge them as people. However, it is perfectly reasonable to be upset with someone acting in complete hypocrisy to their supposed religion. These are supposedly "ambassadors" for a supreme being. The standard is rather high.
neonsilkworm 2 years ago
neonsilkworm-- Valid point. I too, am an Athiest. It's very important to lead by example. I don't go around trying to convince believers of any god, budda, mohammad or perhaps a shiny penny held in their pocket, that it's wrong. Belief in anything that does not harm anyone,anywhere any time is ok with me.
12monkeys5 2 years ago
Take it Of!
kidkool47 2 years ago
I think if we look at what people do, Christian or not, there will always be disappointments, b/c sin is human-nature and we are all gonna do it. The difference between Christian and Non-Christians is accepting the gift of Jesus Christ or not.
esthergrider1 2 years ago
ya, there's a lot of different views that go under that word. some people might just consider themselves to be in that group b/c of how they were raised, others consider themselves to be one later on by their own decision, some do that, but aren't "true" believers according to others b/c they believe the wrong thing/s....
FateEternal 2 years ago
Paraphrase: 'I don't read just atheist books i read other books to get different perspectives...'
That doesn't make you a bad atheist; that makes you the best kind of atheist. KEEP DOING IT! The choice to be atheist made in ignorance is just as bad as a non-thinking or blind faith choice to be theist. (As if there's another way to do it.)
P.S. yeah your roommates aren't 'bad' christians but they're a little off 'the path.' :-P
themanofearth 2 years ago 2
I'm an atheist, and I think if your desire is to have an impact on these guys, a way might be to ask them if they've ever thought of the spiritual lives of the girls they're bringing home. If, by sleeping with them, they're giving these girls the view that Christians are hypocrites, or disobey the Bible and use women, then maybe your roommates don't really understand Christianity. If they don't really understand it, maybe they don't really know Jesus; aren't really saved. That should get 'em.
Stefatropolis 2 years ago
If your continuing looking at the Christians perspective... you should look at Paul Wahers videos on youtube.
goduscross 2 years ago
if you've got enough naivity
and you got conviction
then the answer is perfect for you
exist209 2 years ago
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exist209 2 years ago
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You're too good to be an atheist. You're halfway on your way back to being a Christian. Take the next step.
kkkru1es 2 years ago
Your saying atheists are "bad" or "evil"? Thats a stereotype
Trexboss 2 years ago
"stereotype"
Maybe, but most atheists fit the description of the stereotype perfectly. Just like most niggers fit the "stereotype" of drug-running gang members. Can a stereotype be invalid if the majority of its targets actually fit it like a glove? Hey, if the shoe fits...
kkkru1es 2 years ago
Most atheists arent evil. What are you talking about? Its the bible that makes us seem all evil and all the rumours christians spread around. Most atheists I know are pretty friendly
Trexboss 2 years ago
Hmm... Maybe atheists are only friendly to their own kind. Most atheists that I've had the displeasure of knowing are unpleasant and militant in their unbelief. The ones I hear about on the news, like Michael Newdow and Dan Barker are strident in their opposition to people of faith. The vocal atheists on Youtube seem to be foul mouthed, obnoxious whiners. (See The "Amazing" Atheist) I base my comment on my own experiences with atheists.
kkkru1es 2 years ago
The Amazing Atheist is somewhat of trying to seek attention and name calling and such but there are many other atheists who are nice. Like: frisbeesandflipflops
And people on the news try to bring the angry atheists on the news to try to make atheists seem bad and their new company feel good.
I could say the same for you christians. There are some who are good with atheists, but most will criticize and attack them. Take Gorilla199 how he attacks atheists with very harsh stuff i must admit.
Trexboss 2 years ago
Please see opinions through everybodies eyes and not only live in your community :)
Trexboss 2 years ago
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when the basis for your view of atheists is akin to your disgusting, racists comments and feelings towards African Americans? It is equally telling that you describe atheists as being friendly to "their own kind". The internet certainly has a way of compelling people to reveal their true selves.
MeelReel 2 years ago
If the truth is "disgusting" to you, then stay immersed in your PC fantasy world, where niggers are best specimens of our species.
kkkru1es 2 years ago
There is in fact one generalization of African Americans that you reminded me does exist. Most African Americans don't seem to hold it against me that I happen to share my race with ignorant narrow-minded human garbage such as yourself.
I now take my leave of you. Please give my regards to your wife-sister.
MeelReel 2 years ago
I can't believe you're making an argument asserting that atheists are mean while you call most blacks niggers. I understand your point that a stereotype really isn't one if it's true. I would argue that there are many atheists that are great people. I'm an Atheist/Agnostic and I find The Amazing Atheist to be a prick. It's his personality, not his beliefs, that makes him that way. No religion can make us immune to the imperfections of the human race.
crimsontearz24 2 years ago
It is unfortunate that our world is so overly obsessed with being "politically correct", it has become socially unacceptable to call a negro a "nigger". What's even more bewildering is that it's supposedly perfectly okay when negroes call themselves niggers. I don't understand it, but then I don't particularly care about being PC. I'll call them niggers if I want.
kkkru1es 2 years ago
it's the same as some piece of shit at a bar callin you a motherfucker and then your good buddy calling you a motherfucker.
jamianm 2 years ago
The reason why people say that you are a "bad" atheist or whatever, is likely that in their perspective(including my own honestly) if atheism is true then it follows that existence is absurd. While I agree, I used to go around and first thing I'd say to nontheists is that they are borrowing from Christian assumptions, but I realize now that I should show them a little bit more respect. Saying something like this is tantamount to someone calling my God a magical sky daddy.
Vanmeter815 2 years ago
This is a great vid, thanks!
I think as a human species we should all strive to better understand each others worldviews because we are who we are based on genes and upbringing.
A great day will be here when instead of forcing each other into boxes, or looking for spiritual fullfilment in dangerous world leaders or ideaologies, we instead focus on managing our place here on earth and getting a better understanding of our universe.
ajboyer 2 years ago
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
All i can say to finish this off is I hope all of you meet a wholesome Christian person who can influence you and someday bring you to a personal relationship to Jesus Christ.
neomelkoreta 2 years ago
If a HUMAN has to bring ANOTHER HUMAN to GOD, GOD is not here.
Dextear 2 years ago
Prove it.
How does that even make sense?
neomelkoreta 2 years ago
God is the one bringing people to God. If a human has to do it, God is not here, even if a God existed at one point.
Dextear 2 years ago
Ok once again I ask you, How does the idea that Humans have to bring people to God prove that he is not here?
Have you ever given thought to the proposition that God USES people to bring us to him? :)
He gave us free will and thus will not FORCE us to him.
neomelkoreta 2 years ago
"...that God USES people..."
"...thus will not FORCE us..."
God created this entire world and every individual in it, according to Christian dogma. Therefore, yes, God has absolute control over everything we do.
Dextear 2 years ago
Your sorta just proving my point even more.
But were done talking since your just ignoring my questions.
ttyl
neomelkoreta 2 years ago
How am I proving your point?
And I have answered your questions; you just don't want to agree.
Dextear 2 years ago
God owns them. period.
Theres so much you and much of the world (including A LOT of people who call themselves Christian) dont understand.
We are NOT better than other people, but we believe and are forgiven. We ARE called on to judge other Christians and lead them back.
We are to strive to SERVE others.
The Christian life is meant to be hard.
But ultimately truly rewarding for eternity.
Also, did you know that thinking yourself higher than someone is a sin? and that EVEN CHRISTIANS sin?
neomelkoreta 2 years ago
Being new to this discussion I apologize if I repeat somebody's thought but..
You're not "misjudging " them, rather you're holding them to their own belief's standards. If they are religionists who have rules yet they violate them, they are hypocritical.
There is nothing wrong with learning the other's point of view.
That's a mark of intelligence.
I may not agree with your beliefs/religious choice but I do appluad you for questioning those around you & holding others to their own standards.
tyeporter 2 years ago
How about God as you understand God ?
yooper4lyf 2 years ago
One more thing
We can judge Christians, because we're NOT Christians. We don't live by their rules.
By attempting to make you feel bad for judging them, their attempting to lure you into the Christian way. it's brainwashing.
Although, if Christians didn't judge me...I wouldn't judge them...but this is not the case, because they are the instigators who cry about being the victims
Be careful, if you let Christians start making you feel bad about yourself...slippery slope
exist209 3 years ago 2
This is what's really goin on
Christians, who are not supposed to judge, judge other....but "feel" they are free from judgement of others
They're hypocrits, using a double standard, and trying to mke you feel bad for calling them on it.
They use emotional terrorism. Kirk Cameron said it himself that try to get around a person's intellect to get to their emotions
One reason women are more prone to religion
Don't back down girl, they love to prey on emotions
Christians are hypocrits
exist209 3 years ago 2
Whoa!
"Christians are hypocrites" Emotional terrorists"
Very general and not true. Indeed some are hypocirtes..
As a Christian I shared my faith with others, showing respect to there opinions and beliefs.
Honestly baseing your comment on what one Christian (Kirk Cameron)said is ludicrous.
Peace....
Laoshir 2 years ago
It's impossible for one to consider themselves xstian, and not think their better than others.
xstians believe they have the knowledge that nobody else has....they have the "answer"
it's impossible, by biblical defintion to be a moderate xstian, therefore I would contend that you are a spiritual person and not a religious person
remember Christianity does NOT own the copyrights to love, compassionate, and humility....they are NOT christian traits....just good traits....much love
exist209 2 years ago 3
What are these rules that u speak of?Jesus left us with two,loveyour god with all your heart and mind,and love your neighbor.OH and good luck keeping both of those all the time.I fail just about everytime i get on the highway.
AEGORGIS 3 years ago
Sure u can live as you like,but if your a believer it is impossible to call your worldly choices anything other than sin.Also your roommates,if they are saved,will never find peace.Forgiveness, without question.Peace?Impossible.
AEGORGIS 3 years ago
Honey,ive been a believer for 32 yrs and totally struggle with the 'old man'.Scripture states that everthing is permissable after Christ but not profitable.Man is that the truth.
AEGORGIS 3 years ago
I understand where you're coming from. But I dont feel bad about judging "bad christians" because like you said they have certain rules to follow. And they'll try to make the excuse that they're only human and they make mistakes, but i believe that mistakes are made by accident. A lot of christians "sin" knowing that they're just going to ask for forgiveness afterwards (which I would consider spitting in gods face). But if there were real proof of a god/heaven/hell they wouldnt behave that way
Two3Productions 3 years ago
Ask them their definition of Christianity, and then instead of judging them ask what they would consider wrong. If they agree that your earlier objections are wrong, then they are being bad Christians. Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but Christians are supposed to repent of those mistakes and not hold on to "nobody's perfect" as if it was an excuse for apathy. Don't feel bad! Just ask questions so they have to respond instead of pointing out your "jump" to conclusions.
scottydamion 3 years ago
Wonderful! Reading Carl Sagan with you bare feet in the sand :) So sweet. Maybe you also watched his/the television series? Makes one think of the theme music when you sit there on the beach. Keep posting videos - they are delightful!
SimonPrinceEgdal 3 years ago
What else can you judge people for other than their choices?
Piscivorus 3 years ago
Oh! i know this one....their looks!
daffyff 3 years ago
i have faith in good all the way but both of your virsons of life makes no scene atheist dont think that they wher created by god while christains not only force religion on people they are ok with having sex even when married thats sick pleasur to do stuff like that so i dont attrack to nether gender but i dont preach to no one but both seem to think i'm lieing about not having feelings to any gender i get sick to my stoamach seeing stuff like that
pokegliscor 3 years ago
i can see that you've typed things, but i have almost no idea what you've said.
frisbeesANDflipflops 3 years ago
let me see athiest dont think they wher created and some preach their ways christains preach their some religoin and hate on gays and thats only a hand full of them and both to me and refering to some judge me for not being sexual active to any gender ive been their and no feeling they judge me because of that i like your vid because you can see that its not all christains that are like that for people like myself its not a life style
pokegliscor 3 years ago
VERY interesting.
userjosh9874 3 years ago
It's refreshing to hear that you read both sides- I am a Christian who also reads both sides. I have read Dawkins, Hitchens, and Sam Harris among many others. Now about your judgement of your roommates, it may be correct. Consider what Jesus said when told his mother and brothers wanted to see him, " Who are my mothers and brothers? Here are my mother and brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother" Matthew:12,48-49 Also read Matthew:7,21.
mathiasgandy 3 years ago
U should find out what a real Christian is supposed to be and then look for them, they are harder to find than you may realize. If you did that you'd also find that you didn't understand the bible as you thought either. Chances are you never will, but that is indeed the fruit of the capture you should plant into your mind to really grow that thought of understanding you claim you want.
Cabanas751Dunhill 3 years ago
Atheism itself has become a Religion.
People fail to understand that God does not judge, only man does.
The "God" portrayed in the Bible is Not God, but man's perception of what God is.
God is Not A Personage. It as a Force that constructs and maintains the mathematical balance of all aspects of nature throughout the Universe.
iamkingofmylife 3 years ago
A religion is a of way of life based on a [specific belief system] about the the creator/life force or whatever. This belief system is generally expressed through actions such as prayer, rituals, or other practices. How can someones lack of belief in anything be seen as a belief in something?
Analysta654 3 years ago
Every human being believes in something. To believe that there is no God is still a belief system.
A religion is merely a methodology of expression of ones beliefs.
You may not fit into this category, but there are a number of Atheist organizations, with platforms, agendas, mission statements, protocols, etc.
I dont know about you, but that sounds like a Religion to me :)
iamkingofmylife 3 years ago
Ya know anything can become a Religion. E.g. a Mathematicians Belief in a set of theories. If a new set of theories comes out debunking or expounding upon the old, the previous Mathematician may be so rigidly dedicated to the old theories, and refuse to accept the new, because, he has committed so much time & energy to those theories. (Weve seen that happen all the time in orthodox religions).
iamkingofmylife 3 years ago
We see the same loyal devout following regarding persons with particular political affiliations, jobs, clubs & organizations, sports, hobbies, and a vast number of institutionalized ideologies, etc.
As a matter of fact, speaking of Religions, Im thinking of joining FrisbeesANDFlipFlops CHURCH OF CAKES OF BATTER DOUGH PLATES
iamkingofmylife 3 years ago
ok, but does that mean that this "Force that constructs and maintains the mathematical balance of all aspects of nature throughout the Universe" (quite a claim) is selfaware? that this "force" cares specifically about an speciffic specie in one speciffic planet amongst billions or it leaves us alone? and if so, then why care or worship this force? the problem is not this supposed force is what mankind did and still doing in it's name according to speciffic beliefs. Atheism=no religion.
HTBRNGR01 3 years ago
I wonder why it's hard for religious people to understand that there are no stereotypical attributes you can subscribe to atheists, except that they all do not believe in a higher power.
I'm atheist and I have a deep passion for religious art. I have virgin mary and jesus picture in my room. Some statues. I even have a Jesus tatt and a Mary Tatt.
I believe they were nice people but I don't believe they were God. That will just be ridiculous.
sirisnin 3 years ago
Sirisnin, you believe Jesus was just a nice person. He spoke of eternal damnation and said that those who did not put their trust in Him would perish for eternity. So either he was who He said HE was, namely God, or insane, or an opportunist. But to say He was just a nice person is a very SOFT answer.
mathiasgandy 3 years ago
If you had read the Bible you would know that Jesus Christ couldn't have been a 'nice person', 'good man', 'prophet' or anything else people will tell you he was, do some reading and you will see what I am getting at.
ProLife7777777 3 years ago
lol oh yeah, I read the bible and I dont see it. Why dont you actually back up wrong accusations, sir?
neomelkoreta 2 years ago
Very nice video, frisbees. :)
invisblchzbrgr 3 years ago
Christians can reason away anything,which is why I don't argue with them.You're not "judging" to have noticed the inconsistency between what they say and what they do.
AuroraKismet 3 years ago
Oh and C.S. Lewis is the shit! :D
Vertze 3 years ago 2
I'm leaning towards the idea that even if God exists and is this omnipotent, all-powerful creator and force, he doesn't give a shit about us.
In terms of staying true to the root experience of a religion, Christianity and Judaism are pretty far-off the mark.
I respect a Muslim far more than a Christian, for they are the ones who have a true reverence for God and demonstrate it every day of their lives.
I just think, in my humble opinion, that Christians have failed Jesus in almost every way.
Vertze 3 years ago
I guess it really depends on if the Christians thought getting high was "sinful". If they're being true to their professed values, then what the hey. But if they're being hypocritical, then recognizing that hypocrisy is not being judgemental; it is merely being observant to recognize a hypocrite. Now, can you trust hypocrites? Like the used car salesman says, "We cheat the other guy and pass the savings on to you!" You can trust hypocrites to say whatever suits them best.
Beinquisitive 3 years ago
@thebrush03
peace
sometimesido99 3 years ago
Even if I needed god that wouldn't change the fact that I think there is no god ...at no point in my life would I be able to fool myself in believing there is a god no matter what difficult situation I'm in or how much I would want there to be a god. I often get the feeling theist just can't grasp the tought that an atheist really doesn't believe there is a god or devil or allah or thor or whatever acient people used to make sence of the world they live in because of there lack of knowledge.
sometimesido99 3 years ago
Many Christians believe that being a Christian involves saying you're a Christian and quoting a few scriptures.
We have a Christian president elect who's scripture involves taking care of "the least of these" while he's given an average of 4% to charity over an eight year period and supports abortion on demand for any reason.
You don't have to look hard to find phoney Christians. You know them by their fruits.
thebrush03 3 years ago
About judging christians and atheists, thats a difficult one indeed. The problem is that according to the bible the only wrong action is not asking for forgivness for youre sins. The starting possision is that you allready are a sinner and you always will be. In short you can do whatever you want all you have to do is ask for forgivness. The only thing the bible judges is disbelief. Anyway thank you for making me think about this subject.
peace
sometimesido99 3 years ago
Getting information about other things besides atheism can't be a bad thing...how else could you know that atheism is the right choice? Excluding information is the one thing I usually dislike about religious people. The reason I'm an atheist is because I listen and discuss religion with muslims and christians(for example). It would just be silly to say I'm an atheist therefore I don't want to know anything about religion. Hiding yourself from information just means youre afraid to be wrong.
sometimesido99 3 years ago
My sole aim in life is not for truth. Everywhich way you turn there is truth.
According to the bible there are to mediums for truth, there is God and the Devil, both of which provide truth, now obviously one (the Devil) tries to present himself as THE truth while the other is truth.
detrento 3 years ago
Yeah, yeah. 2 Peter 1 20...
^^^ The bible is true because it says it is true! How could I miss that? ~~YOUR VERSION~~ of the gospel is no more special than a church's. Believe it.
"My sole aim in life is not for truth."
Err? What else is there?
"as THE truth while the other is truth."
You really have to explain yourself or you just sound ridiculous.
jinitron 3 years ago
Honestly who in their right mind wouldn't want to believe in God??? Now I don't want to confuse anyone, my beliefs are not that of mainstream Churchianity, I'm not tossed about by every wind of doctrine. My experience is just that it's my experience and you can believe me or not, none of that matters. But if you are curious to what my take is on things ask me... But, don't ask me something that is riddled with circular logic... I cannot change what IMPRESSION Churchianity may have given you:)
detrento 3 years ago
I don't think it is a matter of want. I have often thought about how nice it would be to believe in a God that answers prayers, intervenes when times are rough, etc. However, besides this thought, I have no reason to believe that God exists and am not willing to delude myself for the sake of fulfilling this pleasure inducing thought. I prefer to be led by reason, as that is what ultimately makes me happy. If any substantial evidence for God happened to drop into my lap, I would happily believe.
kzirb 3 years ago
"Honestly who in their right mind wouldn't want to believe in God"
Want? We want truth, not the lies of the bible/god.
"my beliefs are not that of mainstream Churchianity, I'm not tossed about by every wind of doctrine"
LOL, correct.. you're tossed about by the even more turbulent winds of self biblical interpretation. A church of yourself. Whoopty do.
jinitron 3 years ago
To jinitron: You should watch her video about TAA. While I appreciate that you are an atheist, ridiculing theists is not going to make them more accepting of you or any atheist for that matter. This kind of behavior only breeds defiance, and the stronger the defiance, the stronger they become rooted in their religious beliefs and opposed to ours. Ponder on this: Truth can be postponed, but pride must be protected at any cost.
kzirb 3 years ago
I'm not interested in their acceptance. If they want to be obstinant, so? I don't care if they are rooted in their religion. Stay there, please. The more rooted they are, the less likely the are to avoid the truck of reality and progress.
jinitron 3 years ago
Self biblical interpretation? - II Pet 1:20
No, I believe the bible interprets ITSELF in
a few specific ways:
-In the verse
-In the context, and
-Used Before
-Difficult verse must be understood in light of clear verses.
detrento 3 years ago
According the the Bible I get to do greater works than Jesus Christ!! Also because I practice the principles I find in the bible, I get to be free from all of the entanglements of the world - for instance debt, the bible shows me how not to fall prey to it. Believing in God and being His son, Is like being a Superhero, with a mission in regards to life. Excercising my power and God given authority, and if I screw up. I ask God to forgive me, and pick myself up and try again. No condemnation:)
detrento 3 years ago
And It's so much more fun to have the belief that God is always with me wherever I go, and that His power works within me to accomplish His will which is good, perfect, and acceptable. I can speak in tongues, heal people, raise the dead, cast out devil spirits. I get to participate in life daily with much joy, enthusiasm, and exicitment. Life is always an adventure with God at my side. 'to know that what I believe is true and I have the proof because like I said I experience it daily:)
detrento 3 years ago
"I can speak in tongues, heal people, raise the dead, cast out devil spirits."
Uh huh. Yeahhhhhhhhh.
"I get to participate in life daily with much joy, enthusiasm, and exicitment."
Sucks that you need god to do that. I can do that without gods. But if it gets you through the day.
jinitron 3 years ago
Getting through the day without God is easier than getting through life without him.
Check back when life gives you something that you can't handle.
Many people find God when they're out of secular options.
Believing that you'll never need God is the same as believing a tattoo you get when you're 18 will look cool at 70.
thebrush03 3 years ago
"Getting through the day without God is easier than getting through life without him"
I'm Agnostic, but I'm sorry thats bull! Life makes less sense with a personal God than it does without one.
I no longer have to make the excuse that "it was God's will" when a baby dies of SIDS under a personal God, everything is already set, everybody already knows what going to happen, cause they can just say "God willed it."
I'd rather live my life under Occam's Razor than under a personal God.
TheAgnosticAspie 3 years ago
Yeah I guess you could say that the difference between Atheist and Christians is that Atheist oppose the idea of intelligent design as well as God. While as a christian I myself believe in God, and I see proof of Him everyday, and I also get to experience His power in my life everyday, oh and I also get to understand why the world is how it is, and...and I get to help people overcome problems or seemingly insurmountable circumstances because I practically apply the principles I find in the bible
detrento 3 years ago
"I see proof of Him everyday"
As an atheist I demand verifiable proof before I come to such a conclusion, and, I see god nowhere.
"oh and I also get to understand why the world is how it is"
You only think you do.
jinitron 3 years ago
An atheist looks at an orderly self sustaining universe and says: "I see no plan"
Their faith lies in a compassionate God's mercy when they claim ignorance of the knowledge that they were created with.
Convincing others you didn't know there was a God is easier than convincing God.
thebrush03 3 years ago
You'd make a good girlfriend. We could fool around and have good conversations afterwards.
emulator900 3 years ago
I agree you dont seem to be an atheist if u insinuated that they were stupid for being christians because they smoke pot. We dont look at theist and say well he's not a good muslim or christian he contradicts he's religion. We look at the facts not the people the people are usualy irelevant today we live in a theist world they are everywhere reading a book written by a theist or has aspects of religion in it is no suprise. We are not chauvanist and we live in a theist world it might change
adanrom 3 years ago
also, how can an atheist tell another atheist they aren't being a "good" atheist? i thought the point was to choose for yourself.
yetidetective 3 years ago
in my own subjective morality, when someone does something that they believe is wrong (whether or not i agree) then i consider them immoral.
for instance, i don't think it's wrong to smoke pot. but if i know someone who thinks it is wrong, but they do it anyway, then i know that that person doesn't hold their own behavior up to their own moral standards. if they'd do that what would make me think they wouldn't steal from me, etc.
yetidetective 3 years ago
why make atheism a way of life?
there's no god we know we know, get over it... the devate is over.
endlessly13 3 years ago
Oh those crazy Christian Pot smokers..You gotta love them..
AgnosticHippie 3 years ago
OH MY GOD
is that cosmos?
nay, pale blue dot, pause ftw <_<
Either way... Carl Sagan :D
You're cool.
PinkFloydrulez 3 years ago
Yup.
I predict a budding romance across the philosophical/"lifestyle" divide.
ROBwithaB 3 years ago
Atheism is not a lifestyle choice... it is the only rational choice in regards to the existence of a God or Gods. We were all born atheists, and for christians to think that of all the possible gods they could worship, that they somehow picked the right one is based on what? Faith? How do we base that? And as we all know, a baseless assumption is irrational. So until they can prove otherwise we automatically have to defer to the null hypothesis...what we were born believing, which is atheism.
stevenstreet483 3 years ago
Speaking as an atheist, I think it makes you a good one - a wise one - to listen to lots of other points of view. It's always better to understand an issue from all sides rather than few. Kudos to you!
ltflermy 3 years ago 2
you ATHIEST! you shall burn in the flames of hell! but hmm.. your not going alone
Darbaz 3 years ago
I don't think that you're a 'bad' atheist.
You actually sound like a really good one, to me. At least you're open to finding answers and you're intellectually honest about things.
That's all good stuff.
I do think it's pretty disappointing though that you're roommates are the way they are.
I don't know them, so I can't really judge the truth of the matter, but it sounds like they're either hypocrites OR they clueless-ly 'claim' Christianity.
Either way, it's a bummer.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Nikki I remember that back in the 1970s there was a branch of evangelical Christianity that did drugs and other things not ordinarily associated with Christianity. I was a child but neighbors Win and Jan would ride around in a vw bus and smoke pot and talk about how Christ and his disciples smoked pot and give me these frightening children's cartoons about armegeddon. Maybe it continues today. lol
dandiacal 3 years ago
Nikki
It's great to see someone completely understand, Christians are not perfect.
However I will say as a Christian myself, I have to be on guard that by my actions I don't cause a fellow believer to stumble.
You really seem like a very strong person, and open minded.
God bless
Ron
ironcross66106 3 years ago
When will people learn not to piss off an atheist with a webcam? come on people
bionicconscious 3 years ago 2
Hmmm...your pondering the question leaves me a little confused...I think those who accuse you of being a 'bad' atheist do not stand in the same relation to you as you do to those "Christians" at your house... And I assume that those who accuse you call themselves atheists (it seems strange to me for a 'Christian' to accuse an 'atheist' of being a 'bad' one)
or are you talking about judging people in general?
...
valyok 3 years ago
...anyways...I am enjoying your channel - that'd be great to hear about your conversations with those "Christians" in your house...maybe when they are not high....
valyok 3 years ago
I think you're totally on the right track. As atheists it's only "no belief" and nothing more. To ascribe anything more than that would be, in my mind, equivalent to ascribing a belief system around the idea of -not- believing in the easter bunny. I like the idea that we, as atheists or otherwise, must recognize the (interesting) differences in others and strive to not suffer the same level of piousness, righteousness, or hubris just because we believe our position is the correct one.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
I thought it would be prudent to add that as far as unseenstrings statement, "Please don't have children until you realize they are not truly responsible for the beliefs they acquire" is basically his way of saying that he hopes you are able to see how people are products of their environments and that beliefs are limited to the influences within those environments and that children (or any human being for that matter) are limited by what they learn to choose.
marvinf2 3 years ago
It's nice to see that you're stumbling onto what unseen has had to say about this. I'd like to quote some of what you said that I personally enjoyed; "Everybody makes mistakes" followed by "Christians are just people who believe in Jesus", I agree. As well as "point being I shouldn't judge them for their beliefs". You're friends who make you feel like a "bad atheist" feel similarly to the way you do with an inability to express that they have a standard you're supposed to be living up to.
marvinf2 3 years ago
I just realize something: you are interested in what other people believe. I'm only interested in the sensory input and innate reactions that lead to the belief. And generally people have no clue as to how their existing mindset developed. Therefore, listening to a thousand people each tell me they believe in ghosts, vampires, mermaids, gods, or pink unicorns doesn't teach me anything useful. Please don't have children until you realize they are not truly responsible for the beliefs they acquire
unseenstrings 3 years ago
Buddy, don't lump in real supernatural happenings with vampires, mermaids, etc. You didn't experience what we did and you'd probably have a seizure once you learned you aren't so all knowing. I'd worry more about myself if i were you - you are one car crash, one heart attack, one slip on a bathroom floor away from finding out there's a lot more to God and the spirit world than you think. I know a few cops who believe- they weren't looking for mermaids or fantasies when they had their experience.
Masonictoaster9 3 years ago
... yes, yes
you're right!
oxygen starved brain tissue is the absolute end-all in reliable evidence ... ***Praise the Lord!!!***
Yes ... god created imperfect beings ...
... so he could threaten them with hell ...
... for being imperfect!!!
You're a GENIUS!!!
please stop now ... my sides are hurting!!!
LMFAO!!!
msginca 3 years ago
"Buddy, don't lump in real supernatural happenings with vampires, mermaids, etc."
Oh boy...
Vampires and mermaids are 100% as real to the people who have seen them as any 'real supernatural' happening you have experienced...
0lord0kinbote0 3 years ago
Religious moderates crack me up, they are all like this clearly living life they way they want too
itsMustacheMarch 3 years ago
It is perfectly fine to be judgemental about christians because christianity by it's very nature is a judgemental religion. It's all about god judging them and they judging others. These people you live with are hypocrites. But that shouldn't suprise, all christians are hypocrites.
wolfinside 3 years ago
nothing is wrong with christians (although I do have a problem with their beliefs).
I don't think there is anything wrong with reading pro-religion materials.
You were in Vegas? Sorry I missed you... although I haven't lived there in over a year now.
imrational 3 years ago
This is covered in "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis. If you've tried to read it, try again. I could tell you where it is; but I'm a Jew, and I would have to go to the Library. LOL. I, too, get criticism for reading books that make me a "bad Jew." Q: what's the difference between a bad Jew and a good Jew? A: to Hitler - none; to the IRS - none; to the Rabbi - ~10%. Every Christian, Jew, and aTHEIST is different until the Jihadists come aknockin' -LOLer
USCohen 3 years ago
Most 'christians' are just talking it up because they're afraid of happens when they croak. I think it's sad that people try to act a certain way because of some eternal reward or punishment.
tattypatty 3 years ago
Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930
leetheredone 3 years ago
Anyone who would stand at the altar and ask Jesus to come into her heart is already a believer; no conversion necessary. For an atheist to ask Jesus to come into her heart is like asking Peter Pan to come into her heart, because the atheist doesn't believe in any god and therefore doesn't believe the tall tales concerning Jesus. But I find it humorous that Christians usually deny that other believers are Christian, when the believers belong to a different sect or act differently than themselves.
unseenstrings 3 years ago
I'll agree that Christians make metaphysical claims that they should adhere to and I dislike being referred to as "Christian" [quotation] for having liberal views and living with atheists... it's honestly painful to have my faith simplified and denigrated as such. Thanks for the vid/thoughts.
Ultimately only God will be only to have THE definition for a Christian although I believe in a pluralism of definitions. Meh.
mistawulf 3 years ago
One more thing: An atheist by definition is merely someone who lacks belief in any god. A Christian on the other hand is an adherent of a particular religion. An atheist creed and atheist dogma doesn't exists. But the Christian Creed and Christian Dogma does. The Christian assumes she gets her morals from her religion. However, the Christian gets her morals from the same place as the atheist--genetic predisposition and upbringing. Watch, ATHEIST RAMPAGE!!! (watch?v=BKnYdAKJ9VQ)
Naturalism Org
unseenstrings 3 years ago
You're right when you say that Christians are held to a set of rules, some standards. We ARE to be sober minded and shouldn't be getting high. We SHOULDN'T be sleeping around. We shouldn't be vulgar. Yeah, we are held to a different standard. If these boys can admit that then that's a step in the right direction. If they don't think that stuff is wrong then they need an awakening.
Ya know Ms. Atheist, you're a cool cat. I pray one day you'll know Christ.
fireproofed 3 years ago
why are you an athiest?
sk8erboi4jc 3 years ago
We are all athiests when we are born. More sensible question is do Christians really know why they are Christians? (Christianity is used here as an example, all religions are essentially the same.)
kitbots 3 years ago
Im not sure that I totally agree when you say that its up to individuals to define Christianity for themselves it clearly says in the bible how your to act and what god expects from you. I think this is where Christianity and Atheism differ, as an atheist I can define how I want to live my life, I can define atheism for myself, there is no atheist bible its not wrong to want to read about other religions, cultures, lifestyles.
jason2689fmf 3 years ago
Everybody does make mistakes, getting high and bringing home strange girls all the time is not a mistake its a lifestyle. Christians are supposed to be held to a higher standard, they have a play book (the bible), for how their lives are to be scripted. Its not wrong to hold them accountable for their actions, so I dont feel like your judging them, just pointing out that they dont act like Christians. The Christians I know will tell you that its not enough to just call yourself a Christian.
jason2689fmf 3 years ago
frisbeesANDflipflops, you once said it yourself, i.e.: When talking with Christians, you must be on guard, because they are real good bullshitters. I'll add that the most persuasive bullshitter is the one who wins the argument and gets the most converts--not the speaker who was most logical. The same holds true for books. Therefore, I would recommend you read "The Demon Haunted World" to protect yourself from being suckered by a bunch of logical fallacies. Also watch Re: Porn Poema (58J9O1CHvbY)
unseenstrings 3 years ago
Christians stereotype you, because of preconceived misconceptions about atheists. And I guess we stereotype Christians to a degree because of what we have been taught a Christian is suppose to be. I feel Christians aren't any different than atheists, except they happened to have developed and still hold a belief in Jesus. People do not choose what to believe. We develop our beliefs as a result of life's experiences. Watch Constructing Social Reality (pMxbnrxM1o8). Also, books effect perception.
unseenstrings 3 years ago
why did you remove my comment?
asseeninYOURDREAMS 3 years ago
The whole point of being an atheist is its not something you can be 'bad' at...!! thats just people who think its just replacing religion in some way...
alittlebitofperil 3 years ago
Observing and recognizing blatant hypocrisy is not "judging."
Judging, I suppose, would be how one reacts to those observations. However, simply making the observation is unavoidable, and it is in no way a reflection of a fault.
dfarmer1584 3 years ago
atheism, just like any theistic belief can become dogmatic if you let it. to restrict yourself to certain actions or certain book..etc, all in the name of a belief can become a doctrine. being an atheist myself, i try to avoid that. it is always good to get different points of view, and you are to be commended for doing so
avalsonline 3 years ago
as far as judging others, it is a survival mechanism, like screaming in response to fear. it is within all humans, it is nothing to be ashamed of in itself. it is just a matter of doing so in an appropriate manner. BTW, if you dont mind me typing so, you look beautiful in this video.
avalsonline 3 years ago
My last video (which you're in) *judges* people.
I make my opinion pretty clear ... not only do I have a right to this opinion(judgement), but, I know that my judgement is dead on target.
Anyone who worships a mythical martyr symbol, is, to some degree, psychologically impaired.
btw ... Any video I make(or have made), is from now on, available for reposting.
msginca 3 years ago
yeah msginca you are so all knowing, so wise always so right - wrong. I'm sure you've seen it all. I've seen enough to know that the old five senses are not infallible and no matter how smart you think you are - you screwed up some kiddo. There is a God and a spirit world that sometimes screws with ours. They're making pictures of great interest to me in those UK fields (and it isn't two old men or a group of uber geeks making all of them). Don't let the door hit your butt on your way to Hell
Masonictoaster9 3 years ago
I'm curious what they'll say about your videos.
AndrianGo 3 years ago
i'd be curious to know what they would say as well, but they don't know now and i'm not planning on sharing that information with them for the sake of peace. i'm not as interested in "defending" my own position as i am knowing more about theirs.
frisbeesANDflipflops 3 years ago
That is the way to be. There is no need to attack a position or even defend one, the right questions at the right time have a bigger impact then all the attacks, or defenses.
Xulld00 3 years ago
You're a naughty, naughty atheist.
lol
AndrianGo 3 years ago
don't worry bout the judgin thingy. these "christians," not all but some of them, only choose christianity as a free ticket 2 paradise, as they believe. they could care less wat they should or shouldn't do, as long as they get d reward 4 acceptin hezus. to corroborate, a friend of mine told me that d difference b/w christianity nd other religions is that a christian is forgiven 4 any sin, as long as he/she asks for forgiveness. so u can do watever nd still b rewarded accordin 2 him.
nlytend1 3 years ago
Your roomates may be hypocrites for getting high and bringing girls home, but I don't see anything especially unethical about that.
Christianity has a needlessly strict moral code to abide by, so it isn't suprizing that many don't follow it to the letter. Of course, that's probably a good thing since they may well be stoning sinners to death and the like if they were sufficiently fundamentalist.
blackesoterica 3 years ago
Hey. I'm judging her right now - her hair looks great!
Masonictoaster9 3 years ago
oh i thought it looked way ridic with all that wind- thanks! : p
frisbeesANDflipflops 3 years ago
"...it's a lifestyle choice" XD Omg...you win.
For what it's worth, I don't think this whole thing should trouble you so much. I mean, you pretty much summarized it - atheists don't have any doctrines they need to abide by, because atheism isn't a religion.
Christianity IS a religion, DOES have doctrines, and the whole point of it is to set yourselves apart from the world. Be in the world, but not of it...Paul...not that ambiguous. After all, it is Paulianity....
Anyway...my two cents ;)
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
Why don't you try a nunnery if you are interested in living with christians?
mikecampochiaro 3 years ago
i don't think they'd let me... i guess i could try. THAT would make for an interesting video.
frisbeesANDflipflops 3 years ago
Don´t you think they´d try to convert you 24/7?
Does not sound like fun.
Yethmaybee 3 years ago
The world is one big ego farm of the damned. The beyond is beyond for a reason you know. St. John was given a Revelation - something ultra special that simply doesn't happen normally. The spirit world is sneaky - it is much like reading the book Flatland. Folks laugh and say hah ha! I know better - there's no spirits! I'm soooo logical! Then once in a while a little rogue spirit comes along and screws with you or in the case of my friend, Kevin, starts tearing up his comic book shop. Oh yeh.
Masonictoaster9 3 years ago
Christians are some of the worst sinners of all.
BLUEFlSH7 3 years ago
Nothing wrong with pointing out others hypocracy, but I suppose it's best to understand their views before calling them hypocrites.
Brianswers 3 years ago
Religion is sometimes, an excuse for the avarices and apathetic to crutch a sociologic malady for personal gain.
Therefore adherence to and knowledge of, said religion, is secondary.
The social value of religion trumps knowledge and understanding for many.
Peer pressure to conform but not fully understand is of the utmost importance in other instances
As long as you fall in line or at least look like you are in line, your social fit is a cinch.
AntEyeTheist 3 years ago
C.S. Lewis!!???
Consider yourself excommunicated!
I'd say, don't worry about judging anyone. Life is too short to not do so. You HAVE to determine is someone is worth the effort...there are so many of us here.
And I'd add this: Any "Christian" will certainly be judging you, despite divine directives that judging is a sin.
By the way, I judge you to be rather more than a bit allright.
hairyreasoner 3 years ago
There's different types of Christians (or religious believers.) The ones that take everything literally, the ones that say they "are christians" and believe whatever that were taught, whilst ignoring the many factors of their own religion. The ones who don't even know about their own religion but claim to believe in it anyway.
I just find it sad that people label themselves, or only halfass believe in something. Like saying "I'm Christian and believe in Jesus and God" but ignore everything else.
AisuSeijin 3 years ago
For example, people will say "Yeah, I believe in the bible! I believe in God and Jesus is my savior!" yet, if you quiz them about the bible, they fail. Or you see them act or behave in a way that's against the religion. It's like saying I'm Jewish then start downing a pound of bacon. Or I'm Muslim while jugging down alcohol, and when people ask "What are you doing" I say, "It's okay, I believe in Allah."
AisuSeijin 3 years ago
They're living their lives as if they had no spiritual beliefs at all. That is what is striking you.
64kix 3 years ago
re Martin Luther (not MLK). JimmerSD, you are correct about the masses (hehe) not reading the Bible themselves but having it read to them by the clergy instead. Obviously this allowed the church to pick and choose whatever silly bible stories that fit their personal agendas. Most people never read any of the Bible until the last couple hundred years. Even modern day version of Xmas is only around 120 years old. It's all a big con.
jammineggz 3 years ago