Is Jesus YHWH? James White (DrOakley1689) answers Anthony Buzzard (AbrahamicMovement)

[Szygyify]

YHWH is the one being, the one nature, the one "What" shared by 3 co eternal co equal celestial non-human persons Father, Son, Holy Spirit. YHWH in the OT is also a singular personal "Who" "I" "me" "him". Jesus the Son the 2nd Hypostases, is YHWH the "What" in nature, who calls "YHWH" the "Who" the only true God. Perichoresis of the homoosion between the 3 co eternal co equal celestial persons is clearly taught in Scripture?

[TheChristcrucified]

Why is there a occult symbol? Where do you get yahweh? It is Jehovah. From the vowel points given by the Jews.

[PrincessDivaization]

dear i think you should try and read the Quran maybe youll get a much better understanding of God and his prophets that jesus was one of them instead of reading a book that is also great but written by john peter mathew and luke ..dont make fun of the muslims and their book unless u learn arabic 1st and read the holly quran properly cuz i tell u english translation changes all its meanings..

[PrincessDivaization]

i want to ask you some questions if you dont mind

who wrote the bible?

if jesus was really God not a prophet how come some jews were stronger than him and were able to actually kill your God?

and if Jesus was really God how come did he say in the bible that you cant call me strong only God is strong

and are you really convinced that God that great would have a son .. and not prophets.. really?

and do you really really believe that God created humans to look like him...

[Taught77]

no

[Szygyify]

James White's logic for the Trinity goes like this, no kidding his own words! "The doctrine of the Trinity is not directly enunciated (in the Bible) I've written that it is"."In the Old Testament we find nothing more than allusions... it's a clear fact that no one using the Old Testament as their only source has come to a Trinitarian understanding of God". By looking at what is said, determines what is not being said because it's already understood" James White is a Calvinist nuff said!

[jcharri73]

Ok captain complicated all I said was read 1 john 5:7 simple. 99% of people that read your post have no clue what you are showing.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@jcharri73 - My message was addressed to you, and to you alone.

You understood it. Whether others understand it is not my concern.

@jcharri73 said: "Read 1 John 5:7"

οτι τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες το πνευμα και το υδωρ και το αιμα και οι τρεις εις το εν εισιν

"(7) For there are three who are giving witness — (8) the spirit and the water and the blood — and these three are in the one." (1 John 5:7-8)

[jcharri73]

@HeroOfChristArchives There are many Latin mss of those that contain the Catholic Epistle of 1 John the vast majority contain 1 John5:7 Many of these dating back to at least as early as the 4th century.it can also be found in the Latin Vulgate; of which,Frederick Scrivener wrote, “it is found in the printed Latin Vulgate, and in perhaps forty-nine out of every fifty of its manuscripts”.So, the ms. evidence is far greater than what is portrayed.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@jcharri73

The Comma Johanneum originated in the Western tradition and remained isolated within that textual grouping. Consequently, all Greek, Syriac, Coptic, Ethiopic, Georgian, Arabic and Slavic manuscripts antedating 1300 CE and containing 1 John 5:7-8 omit the spurious Comma. The Comma is also lacking in the texts of Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, Faustinus, Hilary, Lucifer, Athanasius, Basil, Ambrose, Didymus, Epiphanius, Chrysostom, Jerome (Latin Vulgate author) and Augustine.

[Danielezerable]

@jcharri73 1 John 5:7 - (commentary: inserted by the Roman Catholic harlot and her daughters, used by the Roman Catholic harlot and her daughter harlots.) :p

[jcharri73]

Correct in the word trinity is not in the bible. That said grab a King James Bible and read 1 John 5:7 and explain that there is three in heaven and those three are one. The others versions arnt as clear on that scripture because they were translated from alexandrian texts. JESUS IS THE WORD

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@jcharri73

Consider the textual evidence against the Comma's authenticity:

• ALL Greek MSS, save for eight late (post-1300) medieval minuscules

• ALL Syriac MSS cataloged to date which contain the text of 1 John 5

• ALL Coptic, Ethiopic, Georgian, Arabic and Slavic MSS of 1 John 5

• ALL pre-1300 Byzantine Majority MSS, including ALL lectionaries

• Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, Faustinus, Hilary, Lucifer, Athanasius, Basil, Ambrose, Didymus, Epiphanius, Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine

[howdytheresir]

James White is so self deceiving that he simply can't recognize meaningful objections..Interesting that he calls Buzzard's exegesis of Jn. 1:1 and John 12 "genius attempts"..perhaps they're genius because they make sense?

[ablekiwi]

@howdytheresir Genius 'attempts'. Emphasis on 'Attempt'! No true argument and no meaningful objection.

-According to the OT, Yahweh alone created and sustains all things. Job 9:8; Isaiah 44:24; Nehemiah 9:6

- According to the NT, Jesus created and sustains all things. John 1:3, 10; Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:2-3, 10-12

-Therefore, Jesus is Yahweh God!

[howdytheresir]

@ablekiwi If you want to isolate and misuse texts while ignoring most of what the bible says to help you interpret them properly,then you can come up with any belief you so wish.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ablekiwi - Nice try. I must emphasize "try."

• Per the Tanakh, YHWH God makes all things. (Isaiah 44:24; Nehemiah 9:6)

• Per the New Testament, all things came into being through (δια) Jesus. (John 1:3, 1:10; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) This does not identify Jesus as the creator, but as the subordinate intermediary through whom God creates.

• Therefore, YHWH God and Jesus the Nazarene are distinguishable persons.

Isaiah 7:14 (quoted at Matthew 1:23) does not pertain to the Messiah's birth.

[ablekiwi]

@howdytheresir "‘She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.’ All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: ‘Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel’ (which means, God with us)." Matthew 1:21-23

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ablekiwi

לכן יתן אדני הוא לכם אות הנה העלמה הרה וילדת בן וקראת שמו עמנו אל

"Therefore, YHWH Himself will give to you a sign. Look here, the maiden is with child, and is bringing forth a son; and his name has been called Immanuel." (Isaiah 7:14)

Isaiah's prophecy records the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by two northern powers, Israel and Syria. Verses 15-16 state that, by the time this newborn reaches maturity, the kings of Israel and Syria will be eliminated.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ablekiwi

2 Kings 15:29-30, 16:9 confirm that this prophecy of Isaiah was contemporaneously fulfilled when the kings of Israel and Syria were assassinated.

Read Isaiah 7:14 in context:

"Curd and honey he will eat until he knows to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the child knows to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land whose two kings you abhor shall be forsaken." (Isaiah 7:15-16)

Isaiah 7:1 identifies these two kings as King Pekah of Israel and King Retsin of Syria.

[SovereignFOTL]

there are several gods of the OT, one is a cruel demiurge as set out by the Nag Hammadi texts that evaded the Roman Church's redaction/ censorship (unlike all the other texts). Yeheshua represented the principle of Love or Amor which inverted is Roma, i.e. Rome, the organised religion of Christianity. 'Jesus' didn't ask us to worship him, he showed us to throw off this synthetic matrix of man made laws designed to control us & follow Natural Law. Christians have been deceived and are brainwashed